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Speaker 1: Welcome to the forty nine Ers You've Got Mail podcast,

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Speaker 1: and we're coming to you from the twenty twenty three

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Speaker 1: NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. I am joined by Seattle

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Speaker 1: Seahawks senior reporter John Boyle. John, thanks for stopping by. Hey, Lindsay,

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Speaker 1: how you doing. So we got to meet three times

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Speaker 1: during the twenty twenty two campaign. It's good to run

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Speaker 1: into each other during the off season. Yeah, Unfortunately all

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Speaker 1: three weight your way, so gotta get a little better

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Speaker 1: go in the off season. Hopefully we'll see how twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three goes. So obviously we're here at the NFL

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Speaker 1: Scouting Combine to take a look at the three hundred

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Speaker 1: nineteen top prospects that'll be rebuilding the rosters. But before

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Speaker 1: we get to that, let's talk about coaching turnover on

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Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks side. Phillius in on what's going on there. Yeah, Sehawks,

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Speaker 1: you know, as you guys well know in San Francisco

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Speaker 1: and teams when you lose some assistance sometimes and they

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Speaker 1: did lose a couple of their top ass since their

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Speaker 1: long time quarterbacks coach Dave Canalis went to Tampa Bay,

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Speaker 1: where he will be the offensive coordinator, and then Sean Dasai,

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Speaker 1: who is associate head coach on defense this year, he's

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Speaker 1: going to the Eagles to be their defensive coordinator. So

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Speaker 1: a couple of tough losses to replace. But you know

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Speaker 1: the way Pete Carroll always sees, you want to help

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Speaker 1: guys grow in their career, and it's a good sign

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Speaker 1: if guys are getting these opportunities, So you're you're happy

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Speaker 1: for the guy, but they're tough to fill those jobs. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: definitely a big coaching vacancy on the forty nine ers

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Speaker 1: side as well. I've been widely reported Demiko Ryan's taking

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Speaker 1: off to be the Houston Texans head coach. Now we

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Speaker 1: have defensive coordinator Steve Wilkes coming in, highly touted, served

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Speaker 1: as the interim head coach for the Carolina Panthers this

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Speaker 1: past season, So a lot of enthusiasm on that side.

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Speaker 1: So taking a look at draft needs for these two organizations,

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Speaker 1: vastly different. Two first round picks for the Seattle Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: How does that affect the combine approach and then also

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Speaker 1: the free agency approach? Yeah, Pete Carroll Noshar, I've talked

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Speaker 1: a lot this week about just what a rare and opportunity.

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Speaker 1: This is for them. You know, obviously, if you're doing well,

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Speaker 1: you're drafting late. And for most of the time they've

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Speaker 1: been here, they've been a good team drafting, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the twenties whatever. So to have that number five

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Speaker 1: chance to maybe add just kind of the elite talent

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Speaker 1: you usually don't get to draft late in the first round.

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Speaker 1: And then I think they feel like they have a

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Speaker 1: lot of flexibility with the two first round picks and

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Speaker 1: two segground picks that even if they can't address a

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Speaker 1: chance to hit it somewhere in those first two rounds.

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Speaker 1: So it's a good great place to be. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: in terms of positions of need, where do you see

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Speaker 1: those for the Seattle Sahawks. You know, I think it

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Speaker 1: starts up front on defense. They talked a lot about

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Speaker 1: just need to be more dynamic, more playmaking up front.

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Speaker 1: And it's not necessarily as simple as like you need

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Speaker 1: edge rusher or union into your guy. It's just somebody,

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Speaker 1: you know, they can be flexible, and they've got enough

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Speaker 1: feel like there's just one obvious hole, but they need

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Speaker 1: to find a playmaker there, whether it's you know, if

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Speaker 1: there's so many free agency or even better, somebody you

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Speaker 1: that that'd be a big git for them if they

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Speaker 1: can just get more disruptive on defense. It was interesting

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Speaker 1: John Shier talked about yesterday is kind of said we

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Speaker 1: saw it up close in that playoff game of kind

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Speaker 1: clearly better in the Seawks right now, is that toughness

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Speaker 1: You can't think of a defensive front without talking about

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Speaker 1: Nick Bosa. Yeah, health defensive players here, and that's kind

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Speaker 1: put into words, I guess Pete Carroll's draft strategy. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think really good. Look aback what they did last year,

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Speaker 1: and they talked about, you know, they didn't like drastically

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Speaker 1: just a better job. They feel like a bringing in

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Speaker 1: the right kind of the right fits, not so much

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Speaker 1: And with all these picks and the high picks, they're

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Speaker 1: you know, you never want to draft fully for need,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to zero win on the quarterback situation. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's an interesting one with do you know Smith winning

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Speaker 1: Smith made a clarific this season. He'd love to be

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Speaker 1: you know, the big pay day he's never had his career,

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Speaker 1: So you can't fault him for wanting to get what

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Speaker 1: There seems to be a sense of, you know, we

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Speaker 1: have you know Smith, because again, those chances to draft

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Speaker 1: first round talent at quarterback in this draft class. So

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Speaker 1: they come out of this draft with a quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the first coup rounds and Gino Smith on the team. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I've heard it talked about throughout this combine, just that

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Speaker 1: in on the type of player that Gino Smith is.

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Speaker 1: We've obably seen his production on the field, but off

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Speaker 1: early to succeed in that competition. Not that Drew Locke

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Speaker 1: figure out quarterback. That's obviously the big thing right now.

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Speaker 1: it'll be competitive, but it's way too early know what

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Speaker 1: Brock Purdy did suffer a slight setback just to some

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Speaker 1: I think that's probably going to work itself out in

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Speaker 1: the next couple weeks. So you've been with the franchise

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Speaker 1: I've been around the team for since the two thousand

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Speaker 1: and nine. So fill me in on how from personal experience,

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Speaker 1: how you'd characterize this division rivalry between the forty nine

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Speaker 1: the three meetings this season obviously did not pan out

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