WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: On the Bubble?

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<v Speaker 1>The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for

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<v Speaker 1>a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 1>Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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<v Speaker 1>It is Whinesday. August fourteen, twenty nineteen, Season fifteen, episode

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<v Speaker 1>number twenty seven. This is our last and final show

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<v Speaker 1>from out here in Oxnard, California. Better be good. You

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<v Speaker 1>better make it good, Derek, our last show here. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>bring it like you kind of say something mean at

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<v Speaker 1>the start of every time, how mean this? That's motivation?

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<v Speaker 1>Remember what you said, my little Tony Robbins right said,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to host? You're like no, no, you

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<v Speaker 1>got it? And then and then there you go, um No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's our last show here in Oxnard. We are packing up.

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<v Speaker 1>Better be good, Derek, Let's go better be good. It

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<v Speaker 1>will be it will be very good. We got a

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<v Speaker 1>great show. We got a great show lined up for

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<v Speaker 1>you guys. But this will be the last show for

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<v Speaker 1>the US, for those of you guys out here in Oxnard.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to catch a practice, today's your final

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<v Speaker 1>day to DYBP able to do that. They have a

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<v Speaker 1>practice this afternoon at three thirty Pacific time. It will

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<v Speaker 1>be the last practice. Tomorrow is not a practice. That

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<v Speaker 1>practice was canceled. We will be heading off to Hawaii

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<v Speaker 1>tomorrow for the Cowboys to take on the Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 1>Rams on Saturday night UM in Honolulu. So we got

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<v Speaker 1>a few things that we want to get into today.

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<v Speaker 1>This is with being our last show here at training

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<v Speaker 1>camp in Oxnard. Remember we do have training camp once

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<v Speaker 1>we get back for another two weeks. But last day

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<v Speaker 1>in Oxnard, I really wanted to give a big picture

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<v Speaker 1>look at what we've said out here and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense of it for our listeners from an overall

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<v Speaker 1>perspective of all the fifteen practices that we've seen so far.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's start with a little bit of blanket coverage.

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<v Speaker 1>I have, actually the day, have four statements that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to toss to you guys. You fill in the blanks.

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<v Speaker 1>Statement number one. After fifteen practices, I'm convinced, convinced of

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<v Speaker 1>this that this one thing is true. Fill in the blank.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time to go home. I can't even play along.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I am I'm not playing. I mean, it

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<v Speaker 1>is definitely definitely time to go home after a fifteen game,

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen practices. This is true, Uh, contract years or a

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<v Speaker 1>real thing. It's a real thing. It really does happen.

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<v Speaker 1>When you're in your contract year, you play better. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>see where you're going with that. Elite Collins is playing better.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Amari Cooper will play better if if he's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna finish on a contract year. In saying with that,

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<v Speaker 1>I bet Anthony Brown plays a lot better this year.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think that's a real thing, and it happens.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen it with Spencer, I've seen it with Hatcher,

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<v Speaker 1>seen it with I know there's been others. So because

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna come up with a list of our best

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<v Speaker 1>players of training camp, and if Malie Collins is at

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<v Speaker 1>number one, he'll be number two or three. He's been

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<v Speaker 1>outstanding and it's hard to be outstanding as a defensive

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<v Speaker 1>tackle and when you're not practicing, but he has been good.

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<v Speaker 1>Amber you're convinced of this one thing after fifteen practices

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<v Speaker 1>that you can never have a calm off season if

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<v Speaker 1>you're the Cowboys. I Honestly, going into this year, after

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<v Speaker 1>DeMarcus Lawrence signing and all that, I was convinced that, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is gonna be great. We're gonna go to camp,

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be awesome. I'm ready this team can make

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<v Speaker 1>it to the super Bowl. I'm not saying they can't

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<v Speaker 1>right now or anything like that. But what I'm saying

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<v Speaker 1>is now you have all these other layers of things

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<v Speaker 1>that are starting to happen. The contract talks, you go

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<v Speaker 1>seek holding out, you got different injuries popping up, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, man, can we just enjoy this for a

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<v Speaker 1>little longer? Can we enjoy the excitement a little longer?

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm not saying things, are you going down to

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<v Speaker 1>drain yet or anything like that, but I would like

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<v Speaker 1>to be more hyped as of right now, Dave. As

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<v Speaker 1>much football as we've watched and as long as we've

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<v Speaker 1>been out here, like the real process of getting this

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<v Speaker 1>team ready hasn't even started yet. And when I say that,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean how many of this team's most important players

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<v Speaker 1>have even done a ton of work out here. Ezekiel

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<v Speaker 1>Elliott's not here, Amari Cooper has been MA for a week,

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<v Speaker 1>DeMarcus Larns and Byron Jones are not yet off of pup.

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<v Speaker 1>Zack Martin is resting his back. Travis Frederick is slowly

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<v Speaker 1>inching his way deeper into the water. I just listed

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<v Speaker 1>like six of the team's best players. They're they're not ready.

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<v Speaker 1>And we've seen the young guys have done a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>and the rookies are exciting. You know, we've learned about

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<v Speaker 1>the depth, but like the guys that are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be responsible for getting this team to the playoffs have

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<v Speaker 1>not even really gotten to work yet. And so, like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, and I'm I've said before, like I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>concerned about it because we're talking about all pro players here,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's a lot of there's a lot of work

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<v Speaker 1>to do between when you get back to Frisco and

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<v Speaker 1>when you start playing real football games in regard to

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<v Speaker 1>the actual guys who are going to play on Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>and not the feel good training camp stories all right,

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<v Speaker 1>after fifteen practices, my biggest concern for this team is

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<v Speaker 1>blank amber biggest concern health. I think that obviously the

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboys have a ton of talent on the roster right now,

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<v Speaker 1>both on the defense side and then on the offense

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<v Speaker 1>as well. And one of the things that I think

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<v Speaker 1>can really mess up this whole season is health and

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<v Speaker 1>why happens with the guys on the old line and

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<v Speaker 1>all that, especially if Seek is not here and he's

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<v Speaker 1>not able to help you out that way to begin with.

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<v Speaker 1>If something happens with one of these old linemen and

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<v Speaker 1>things aren't going that great the backup guys, that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be really concerning. As far as the running game,

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<v Speaker 1>Dave biggest concern is, I mean, health is always in

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<v Speaker 1>this sport. Health is always huge. My biggest concern is

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<v Speaker 1>probably just like, do these leaps actually happen? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't mean to throw shade at Byron Jones,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just remember how much we raved about him

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<v Speaker 1>at safety in twenty seventeen, and it didn't show up

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<v Speaker 1>when it actually mattered. You know, he was fine, He

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<v Speaker 1>didn't you know, they moved they switched his position a

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<v Speaker 1>year later, so he clearly wasn't amazing. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I can go down the list. Malie Collins is having

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<v Speaker 1>an amazing camp, Michael Gallup is having an amazing camp,

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<v Speaker 1>Xavier Woods is having an amazing camp. Cheeto and Jordan

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<v Speaker 1>are having amazing camps. Will they will it matter, will

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<v Speaker 1>it translate, because that's what's going to be the difference,

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<v Speaker 1>I think between this team taking that proverbial next step,

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<v Speaker 1>like yeah, you know Robert Quinn and Randall Cobber here,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's rookies here, and you know, there's some interesting

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<v Speaker 1>potential for this team to get better. But the big

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<v Speaker 1>thing is going to be existing players taking another step

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<v Speaker 1>in their game. And it's happening so far, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>it's a different beast when you start playing other teams. Nick,

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<v Speaker 1>biggest concern is he not being here his contract. Let on,

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<v Speaker 1>that's it, all right. I mean, if he's not here,

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<v Speaker 1>this team isn't as good. I don't care what they

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<v Speaker 1>say about thirty six. They'll be scared to death if

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<v Speaker 1>he has to play. He gotta get here with this contract,

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<v Speaker 1>and the more he holds out, the more leverage I

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<v Speaker 1>believe he has. So all right, after fifteen practices, the

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<v Speaker 1>player that surprised me the most was blank Nick, I

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<v Speaker 1>would say, Jordan Lewis. Jordan Lewis has been really good,

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<v Speaker 1>really good. And is that surprise you or you just

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<v Speaker 1>he was you were expecting to be that good. I

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<v Speaker 1>think he's been I think he's We did a point

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<v Speaker 1>counterpoint with brought us and myself and he said he

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<v Speaker 1>should be a starter, and I said, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>he's in the top two. I still don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that, because Cheeto has been really good. But

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<v Speaker 1>he's been I think he's in the top three for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's been a really good player and to the

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<v Speaker 1>point where you don't think about trading the depth away

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<v Speaker 1>and to try to get something. I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 1>you have to cut a lumba if you have to,

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<v Speaker 1>and just take your chances. But he's been so it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yesterday he made what I think was the play of

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<v Speaker 1>training camp in an interception that he got were literally

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<v Speaker 1>laid out at a moment's notice and and got to

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<v Speaker 1>pick great coverage and it was one of the best players.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a bitter sweet play because it was really awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know how many awesome photos and videos that

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<v Speaker 1>Dave Hellman gets. I didn't get him, David. He just

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<v Speaker 1>stood up from sitting down getting all the shots. He

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<v Speaker 1>just would have been the greatest video. That video, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean could have been like one of your it happened,

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<v Speaker 1>would have been your heart. It happens without fail like

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<v Speaker 1>when I when I let my guard up, that's when

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<v Speaker 1>they do something awesome, which that's on me because you

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<v Speaker 1>should never let your guard up. You gotta be relentless

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<v Speaker 1>as Jason Garrett down down Sorry, sorry, yeah, when I

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<v Speaker 1>let it down? Sorry? Okay? Making sure all right? Amber

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<v Speaker 1>player that surprised you the most blank Um. This might

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<v Speaker 1>sound weird because he was pretty good last year, but

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<v Speaker 1>to me, I would say my league Collins just because

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<v Speaker 1>he was battling with injuries last season. And to me,

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<v Speaker 1>whenever an injury pops up, specially a reoccurring one, and

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<v Speaker 1>not only on one side of the leg, on both sides,

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<v Speaker 1>so it always concerns me and I'm always paying attention

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<v Speaker 1>as to how well that player can hold up. And

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's held up pretty good out here. A training

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<v Speaker 1>came and not just held up, but exceeded my expectations.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been playing really, really good. Dave. I'm gonna say

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<v Speaker 1>Dorn's armstrong, not because he's not any good, but like

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<v Speaker 1>I temper my expectations when it comes to those guys

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<v Speaker 1>like I. I think people fall for this trap a

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<v Speaker 1>lot where they're like, oh, he's in his second year

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<v Speaker 1>and he's coming along and a lot of times that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't really pan out. Any defensive end is a typically

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<v Speaker 1>a position where this studs at that position come from

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<v Speaker 1>the first two rounds of the draft, Like you don't

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<v Speaker 1>see a lot of like all pros coming from the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth round. And he's not an all pro yet. But

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<v Speaker 1>he looked exactly like people thought he would look like

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<v Speaker 1>everybody that said like, oh he could he could take

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<v Speaker 1>the next step, he could make that leap. He's looked

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<v Speaker 1>exactly like that. And maybe it's my own shortcomings as

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<v Speaker 1>a pessimistic person, but I didn't actually think that would happen. Sorry, Dorans,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm throwing another guy in real quick. I think I'm

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<v Speaker 1>surprised that Tavon Austin is having the camp he's having

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<v Speaker 1>and that he is pretty much anything can change, but

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like right now he's kind of locked into

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<v Speaker 1>a position. I never thought that Tavon would be locked in.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't think that they even wanted him back, and they

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<v Speaker 1>signed him to a one year deal, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see if Pollard can do. But is it more

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<v Speaker 1>because of what he has done as opposed to what

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<v Speaker 1>other guys haven't done. No, I think it's because of

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<v Speaker 1>what he's I would argue that he's had a very

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<v Speaker 1>good and I thought what you said, I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was going to start off that way, like let's see

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<v Speaker 1>if someone can do it better. He's been pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>And the fact that we had somebody tell us that

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<v Speaker 1>right now he's tied with Randall Cobb have having the

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<v Speaker 1>best camp, is the third best guy behind Gallup and Cooper,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and not not having the best camp because

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<v Speaker 1>Cooper has been baked up. But you know, like as

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<v Speaker 1>far as making the team and all that, like he's

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<v Speaker 1>right there. He's right there with Cobb. It's easy to

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<v Speaker 1>forget that he had a really good camp last year too,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were using him as a downfield receiver and

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<v Speaker 1>it looked very similar. He got hurt in week two

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<v Speaker 1>of the season. Maybe that was part of it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but he's looked good out here, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Final question from a blanket coverage. Jerry had a session

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<v Speaker 1>with the media yesterday. He had some interesting things to say.

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<v Speaker 1>He did say this particular nugget. He said, a deal

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<v Speaker 1>could be done with someone that no one is talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, and this is you. I was putting your perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's referring to blank Dave. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's gonna happen, Like, I don't, uh number,

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<v Speaker 1>If I had to pick my best, it's got to

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<v Speaker 1>be somebody where like you can kind of control the price,

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<v Speaker 1>I think. And so the names that come to mind MALIEK.

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<v Speaker 1>Collins or maybe Antoine Woods, um, guys that like would

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<v Speaker 1>maybe be happy to sign a new contract. Malik was

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<v Speaker 1>the first guy I thought, I'm I'm gonna let them answer,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've got more to say about that, and why

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't say another name. Okay, all right, So I

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<v Speaker 1>like I like the Antoine Woods. I like that a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Reminds me a little bit of the Jay Ratliffe situation

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<v Speaker 1>the first time around, when they signed him and they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>why would they sign him? He's still young and it

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<v Speaker 1>turned out to be a steal um. But remember Antoine

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<v Speaker 1>Woods's agents, Drew Rosenhouse, He's not playing that game. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't. You're not gonna You're not gonna sneak anything

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<v Speaker 1>by you know that situation. Um, I I would say

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<v Speaker 1>Byron Jones, I think would be the would be my

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<v Speaker 1>guest there. I've seen him sign a player when he's

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<v Speaker 1>been banged up before, and and you know, maybe maybe

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<v Speaker 1>with Byron is a little bit worried about how this

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<v Speaker 1>year is going to be and go for him, they

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<v Speaker 1>might be able to get him maybe a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>cheaper than the market would would say. That would be

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<v Speaker 1>my guest, Byron Jones and Norm Byron. He also could

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<v Speaker 1>be one of those guys that looks at it and say,

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<v Speaker 1>as you know, I think what I got here now

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<v Speaker 1>is a great situation for me. I think I could

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<v Speaker 1>be my best here. I don't necessarily want to god

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<v Speaker 1>in free agency. So if you give me a dear

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<v Speaker 1>that deal I think is fair for me, I'm willing

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<v Speaker 1>to maybe take it a little earlier and not test

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<v Speaker 1>the free agency market. You got another one, Yeah, Jason Garrett.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw a fan. That's an interesting one. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>a fan. I don't think they do, but that's an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting one. I saw a fan suggesting that when this

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<v Speaker 1>came out. But I Jason Garrett doesn't fall under the

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<v Speaker 1>salary cap. I don't think Jerry would. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry would say that. I honestly think they want him. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they like the perception of make him hungry, right, I

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<v Speaker 1>think like that if he was gonna do it, he

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<v Speaker 1>would have done it way before, like the eve of

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<v Speaker 1>the season, right, I think Amber, m Um, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have any other guys aside from those two that they mentioned.

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<v Speaker 1>I could see my first thought would be in the league,

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<v Speaker 1>and I could see Byron doing that because of how

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<v Speaker 1>he is and his uh stage stage how do you

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<v Speaker 1>say status right now or whatever? Um. Other than that,

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the guys, I mean you mentioned Antoine,

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<v Speaker 1>I see him definitely being a guy like okay, because

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<v Speaker 1>he's always striving to be great, and you know he's

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<v Speaker 1>in that hot boy mode and you know they're you

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<v Speaker 1>know how those people are looking for big money, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's gonna do the same thing. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you talk about Jalen, that's another guy that's definitely no.

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<v Speaker 1>I kinda do that right now, No absolute way, So

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<v Speaker 1>I think what I can get more money though, Lyle, Lyle, Jalen,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think Byron. Although Byron is interesting because of

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<v Speaker 1>the injury, maybe if they made him a fair offer,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe he would agree to it, just on the off

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<v Speaker 1>chance he doesn't have a great year because of that.

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<v Speaker 1>But Lyle, Byron, and Jalen are all sixteen games away

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<v Speaker 1>from FU money. And Jalen's not technically because he's headed

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<v Speaker 1>for restricted free agency, but like he I don't know anything,

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<v Speaker 1>but like, I won't be surprised if we're in this

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<v Speaker 1>position with Jalen next summer that we already held up.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if let's say they give him a first

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<v Speaker 1>round tender, he could be playing on a five million

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<v Speaker 1>dollar deal after back to back like Pro Bowl caliber seasons.

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<v Speaker 1>He's at some point in his career he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be gunning for like the eighteen million dollar type of mark.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be next year. I don't know, but those

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<v Speaker 1>guys have a lot of money at stake. The thing

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<v Speaker 1>like Antoine is an exclusive rights free agent, which means

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<v Speaker 1>like the team doesn't even have to try to keep him.

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<v Speaker 1>And Malik has had the injury history. He's also he

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<v Speaker 1>strikes me as just being a low key guy. He's

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<v Speaker 1>quieter than Tyron Smith um, so maybe he just wants

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<v Speaker 1>to get it out of the way and not even

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<v Speaker 1>mess with free agency. That's why I lean toward those two.

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<v Speaker 1>The tricky guy. The tricky part for Lyle is if

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<v Speaker 1>Lyle goes and signs somewhere else, for you know, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it is, eleven million, twelve million, you know, something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the market is, you know, then you still got

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<v Speaker 1>a Wow he makes more than tyrantsman, you know, that

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<v Speaker 1>would be the story. But if the Cowboys signed him

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<v Speaker 1>for that and now he's making more than ty Tyres,

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<v Speaker 1>that can't happen. Right now, you got another problem on

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<v Speaker 1>your hands. I just don't think. I don't think Lyle

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<v Speaker 1>is going to command that kind of money, do you,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I mean, Lyle has been Okay, he's been

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<v Speaker 1>a good, solid player for him, Okay, great, if you

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<v Speaker 1>keep in mind Yron is playing on the most absurdly

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<v Speaker 1>team friendly deal in the NFL. Yeah, I get that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so saying, compared to what these other guys are making,

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<v Speaker 1>I think Lyle be given his age and given his

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<v Speaker 1>production and his position flex if you will, I think

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<v Speaker 1>he's gonna be He's gonna make that kind of money.

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<v Speaker 1>And so if the Cowboys signed him to what the

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<v Speaker 1>market is, it's going to be more than what Tyrant is.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's when I don't think. If he signs with

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<v Speaker 1>the Buccaneers or whoever or Falcons for this, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, Wow, you can't believe he's making more than

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<v Speaker 1>Tyrant and it's not that big a deal because it's

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<v Speaker 1>not here. But if it's here, no, that ain't gonna happen. Trym.

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<v Speaker 1>Brown is the guy I keep going back to, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's making like seventeen million a year. Lyon might not

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<v Speaker 1>even hit that, but like it just seems realistic to

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<v Speaker 1>assume Tyrons like ten. He signed a ten year contract.

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<v Speaker 1>That's but also, like I talked about that with somebody yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I don't think he cares. Tyrant is

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<v Speaker 1>the rare guy that I don't think cares. Now. I

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<v Speaker 1>think Tyron thinks I'm making a lot of money. I

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<v Speaker 1>can take care of myself. He might next generation, he

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<v Speaker 1>might care if his not as good linemate is making

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<v Speaker 1>almost double his salary. Though maybe you know, yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>that's tough, especially okay for those positions that you are

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<v Speaker 1>always you'll see hit the break, go ahead, sorry, keep going,

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<v Speaker 1>and you just say I'm keep going. That's funny. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what was I saying? Oh that that position you know

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<v Speaker 1>you were, especially a guy like him is constantly getting

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<v Speaker 1>hurt and he's had healthy issues or with his back

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<v Speaker 1>and all that, and you start looking at other guys

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<v Speaker 1>making more money than you. I mean that turns a

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<v Speaker 1>light on you know, you want to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>get the most money that you can, especially when this

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<v Speaker 1>is something that's gonna affect you for the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>your life. I mean, your body's not gonna get any better.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you this, I don't want to work. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to be at work. The day that they

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<v Speaker 1>announced a contract extension with Antoine Woods and the Big

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<v Speaker 1>Three remained unsigned, like that doesn't sound fun for me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's gonna be a s show. Yeah, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>Who's been the best player, who's been the most improved

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<v Speaker 1>there those do a position evaluation. We're gonna go through

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<v Speaker 1>each position and we're gonna talk about the best player,

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<v Speaker 1>the most improved or supplies, the surprising player, and then

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<v Speaker 1>who may be the odd man out. Let's start first

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<v Speaker 1>with the quarterback position. Obviously we know who the best

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<v Speaker 1>player is, so I don't want to labor that. But

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<v Speaker 1>from the standpoint, the most improved or surprising player, who

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<v Speaker 1>would you say it's been outside of Dak, of those

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<v Speaker 1>other quarterbacks, who's been the most surprising or most improved? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>most surprising and most improved. Gimme arn Christian because he

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<v Speaker 1>showed up here as like a camp arm who i'd

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<v Speaker 1>never heard of two days before a camp and now

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<v Speaker 1>they've got He's Jamie Shower's two point er. He's playing

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<v Speaker 1>special teams, he's playing wide receiver. He's hanging out with

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<v Speaker 1>John Kidnon every day, like you know, trying my best

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<v Speaker 1>to read the tea leaves. He strikes me as a

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<v Speaker 1>practice squad all the way, like he's gonna be here.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't, and I mean, Cooper Rush probably will be too,

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<v Speaker 1>but he looks like Cooper Rush and Mike White has

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<v Speaker 1>obviously not had a great camp. So and what that

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<v Speaker 1>means is that that's a roster spot right there, because

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<v Speaker 1>Mike White has shown nothing right now to say that

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to be on the team. You've got all

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<v Speaker 1>these other positions that you need to go a little

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<v Speaker 1>heavy on. Two quarterbacks, one on the practice squad. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, maybe Mike White could be

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<v Speaker 1>on the practice squad. Yeah, he could be mean if

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<v Speaker 1>he would be wild if they had two quarterbacks on

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<v Speaker 1>the practice squad. True, but you know with him doing

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<v Speaker 1>some of these other yeah, I mean Taren Christian's not

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<v Speaker 1>really a quarterback. Yeah, yeah, I think this one's easier.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Cooper has been you know, he's he's actually

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<v Speaker 1>been improving a lot so and I think the most

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<v Speaker 1>surprising has probably been Mike White of just not being

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<v Speaker 1>as good as I thought he would be. He would

0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:51.360
<v Speaker 1>take that least, that's the odd been out in your

0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:55.040
<v Speaker 1>guy's opinion, What are you guys? I mean, Cooper has

0:22:55.119 --> 0:22:58.760
<v Speaker 1>been better than him, for sure, But has either of

0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:02.800
<v Speaker 1>them surprised me? I'm not surprised by any of them. Okay, okay,

0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:05.600
<v Speaker 1>all right, let's talk about the running back position. Who's

0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:11.920
<v Speaker 1>been the best player? Ah, yeah, it's Tony Pollard. It's

0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:15.720
<v Speaker 1>Tony Pollard. But like, I don't want to throw shade

0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:18.200
<v Speaker 1>at the guy, but it's a hard position to evaluate,

0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:20.600
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of it is like who's running with

0:23:20.680 --> 0:23:22.639
<v Speaker 1>the ones? So like how much of that is just

0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:25.399
<v Speaker 1>by design of the coaching staff that Tony Pollard's getting

0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:28.360
<v Speaker 1>all that work? Like if Alfred Morris was getting all

0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:30.880
<v Speaker 1>of those reps, he'd probably be kicking ass. And he's

0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:32.680
<v Speaker 1>flashed since he got here. He's done a lot of

0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:35.640
<v Speaker 1>nice stuff. And and Darius Jackson has as well. Da

0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:37.760
<v Speaker 1>Derris Jackson hasn't looked bad Like he ran with the

0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:39.920
<v Speaker 1>ones for five days and then all like, for no

0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:41.879
<v Speaker 1>reason that I can decipher, they were just like, that's

0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:44.480
<v Speaker 1>enough out of you, Tony, get out there. It just

0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:46.320
<v Speaker 1>looked like to me, and that I threw that question

0:23:46.400 --> 0:23:49.199
<v Speaker 1>out mainly because I think we all agree Tony Pollard's

0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:51.960
<v Speaker 1>been the best. But I do think over this last

0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:54.880
<v Speaker 1>week of camp out here, I actually seen a little

0:23:54.880 --> 0:23:56.840
<v Speaker 1>bit more from Alfred Morris. It seems like he's kind

0:23:56.880 --> 0:23:58.680
<v Speaker 1>of you're seeing him make some move. I mean, he's

0:23:58.720 --> 0:24:01.240
<v Speaker 1>looked very pretty loose, which I didn't remember that being

0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:03.920
<v Speaker 1>necessarily a great part of his game. But he looks quick,

0:24:03.960 --> 0:24:06.840
<v Speaker 1>he looks bry. I actually think this last week he's

0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:10.160
<v Speaker 1>looked really really good, and that may be rounding into

0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:12.560
<v Speaker 1>like you were talking about with these VET guys, like

0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:14.280
<v Speaker 1>the beginning of camp in that important to them. It

0:24:14.400 --> 0:24:16.399
<v Speaker 1>starts once you start getting into those last couple of

0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:19.080
<v Speaker 1>weeks before the season starts when they have to start

0:24:19.160 --> 0:24:20.879
<v Speaker 1>really picking it up and getting themselves ready to go,

0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:22.680
<v Speaker 1>because that's really their target is the first game of

0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:24.520
<v Speaker 1>the season. Yeah, and I can and I think that

0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:27.040
<v Speaker 1>they're you can tell that they have a role for

0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:32.480
<v Speaker 1>Jama Zola Wally uh time and I'm here for it. Yeah.

0:24:32.600 --> 0:24:36.000
<v Speaker 1>And now he's not He's not your You're Darryl Johnston

0:24:36.160 --> 0:24:38.480
<v Speaker 1>or even Keith Smith by any means. He's not that

0:24:38.640 --> 0:24:41.119
<v Speaker 1>kind of fullback. He's a fullback that's gonna be swinging

0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:43.639
<v Speaker 1>out of the backfield for twenty five yards. He's a

0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:46.359
<v Speaker 1>fullback that can beat a linebacker down the field if

0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:48.680
<v Speaker 1>you give him the opportunity to do. Somebody told me

0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:51.160
<v Speaker 1>that he was one of the fastest players on the team,

0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:54.159
<v Speaker 1>not running back or fullback or whatever. One of the

0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:56.119
<v Speaker 1>fastest players. And he's a big guy. Yeah, he is

0:24:56.119 --> 0:24:57.439
<v Speaker 1>a big guest, but he when he gets out there,

0:24:57.480 --> 0:24:59.920
<v Speaker 1>he and not big, like like fat big. I'm talking

0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:02.760
<v Speaker 1>like big tall, and he's big guy, but he's not

0:25:02.920 --> 0:25:05.479
<v Speaker 1>a lead blocker type guy that's gonna blow you up.

0:25:05.720 --> 0:25:10.800
<v Speaker 1>Zeke Morris, Pollard, Ola Wally. Assuming Zeke comes back, I

0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:12.880
<v Speaker 1>just so you're saying, odd man out at this point,

0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:16.960
<v Speaker 1>is everybody Howeber Weber, Darius Jackson, You guys think those

0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:21.240
<v Speaker 1>guys probably I mean, you know, find your way back

0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:23.840
<v Speaker 1>to the practice squad. Maybe, But like I'll put I'll

0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:29.400
<v Speaker 1>put a fiver down on Zeke Pollard, Alfred Morrison, Jama's Ola.

0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:32.160
<v Speaker 1>The likelihood is that they will have to. I would

0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:34.040
<v Speaker 1>assume there's going to be one of those guys that

0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:36.600
<v Speaker 1>at least will be on the roster when they make cuts,

0:25:37.160 --> 0:25:39.440
<v Speaker 1>because if Zeke's gonna show up, he probably doesn't show

0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:42.000
<v Speaker 1>up till the Tuesday of the first game. I would

0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:45.399
<v Speaker 1>suspect a Darius Jackson's probably not gonna This is not

0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:47.399
<v Speaker 1>gonna be great for him. He's already been one of

0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:49.600
<v Speaker 1>the had had a wild, crazy story. You know, it's

0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:52.520
<v Speaker 1>probably not over yet for him. But but that Morris

0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:54.879
<v Speaker 1>one's interesting because I say Zeke does come back, he

0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:57.240
<v Speaker 1>say signs a deal and all that. That's when I

0:25:57.320 --> 0:25:59.560
<v Speaker 1>wonder how much Morris is really going to be a

0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:02.960
<v Speaker 1>part of it. It's also fair because as the as

0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:06.040
<v Speaker 1>the veteran of the group, like, they have to guarantee

0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:08.040
<v Speaker 1>his salary if he's on the roster at the start

0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:11.320
<v Speaker 1>of the season. But it's not this ginormous salary that

0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:13.680
<v Speaker 1>I think that they'd be afraid to sign on to.

0:26:13.880 --> 0:26:15.960
<v Speaker 1>We know that they haven't already done that because I

0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:18.399
<v Speaker 1>don't feel like they've done something. I thought he got

0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:21.639
<v Speaker 1>to one hundred thousand dollars bonus to sign, but I'm not.

0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:23.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there was a reason why they had to

0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:25.680
<v Speaker 1>sign him and say, you know, don't don't sign with

0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:28.239
<v Speaker 1>the Saints, yeah, and sign here. So I think they

0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:31.119
<v Speaker 1>like the idea of having a well rounded veteran who

0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:34.320
<v Speaker 1>can step in if Seeks not available for whatever reason. Again,

0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:36.239
<v Speaker 1>there's three games to go and they're going to get

0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:38.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot of you know, Mike Weber can can actually

0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:42.000
<v Speaker 1>change a lot of our opinions. Jordan's Chunn can change

0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:44.680
<v Speaker 1>some opinions and cool thing. I think out of everybody,

0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:48.280
<v Speaker 1>I feel like we've seen flashes from everyone, including those

0:26:48.320 --> 0:26:51.320
<v Speaker 1>two that you just mentioned. The thing is we don't

0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:54.000
<v Speaker 1>get to see them getting much rep as opposed to

0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:56.399
<v Speaker 1>these other guys, so they don't have the chance to

0:26:57.080 --> 0:27:00.240
<v Speaker 1>maybe shine as much a thing. They all score, I

0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:04.120
<v Speaker 1>mean every single score. All of them have been good

0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:06.200
<v Speaker 1>out here, I think even I mean, yeah, Chun is

0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:08.040
<v Speaker 1>probably the one that gets lost in the shuffle the most,

0:27:08.040 --> 0:27:10.119
<v Speaker 1>but even he's been good. Ye all right, leton want

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:12.080
<v Speaker 1>to the wide receiver position, who's been the best player

0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:17.120
<v Speaker 1>at training camp? My whole gallop ball in. I don't

0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:20.000
<v Speaker 1>want to say it, but yes, yes, sorry, he was

0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:24.480
<v Speaker 1>sort of rude to you one time, not just twice.

0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:28.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh damn to the international fans. We don't mess and

0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:32.080
<v Speaker 1>messing around, you know what, don't mess around within go up,

0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:34.679
<v Speaker 1>get a toe touch touchdown like he did yesterday. You're

0:27:34.680 --> 0:27:37.680
<v Speaker 1>gonna be as rude as you want. No, not true, no, no, no,

0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:40.000
<v Speaker 1>you can't walk around being rude to be all right,

0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:42.760
<v Speaker 1>all right, most improved or most surprising player at the

0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:44.840
<v Speaker 1>wide receiver position, and this can be good or bad.

0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:47.600
<v Speaker 1>If there's a surprising player that you think you expected more,

0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:52.800
<v Speaker 1>you got Cop Randall, Cop I didn't. I obviously he

0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:55.960
<v Speaker 1>has experience and all that, but I wasn't expecting to

0:27:56.160 --> 0:27:59.200
<v Speaker 1>see him being so good out here and having that

0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:03.399
<v Speaker 1>connection with Dak as quickly as he's had it. So

0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:06.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm honestly impressed with what he's been able to do,

0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:08.280
<v Speaker 1>and I'm excited to see it in the season and

0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:10.480
<v Speaker 1>how he's able to help the team. I said it

0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:14.320
<v Speaker 1>before I thought Tavon. I'm surprised that Tavon has has

0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:16.639
<v Speaker 1>been that productive and been as good as he has

0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:20.200
<v Speaker 1>been as a receiver um out here. But you know

0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:23.119
<v Speaker 1>they love John Vay too. Is that your guy? No,

0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:27.200
<v Speaker 1>I'll probably go with Tavon too, because everybody's trying to

0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:29.119
<v Speaker 1>get rid of him for more or less. I mean,

0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:30.840
<v Speaker 1>you signed Cobb, You're like, yeah, he's gonna be the

0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:33.560
<v Speaker 1>slot receiver. He you know, Aaron Rodgers, Pro Bowl, all

0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:35.600
<v Speaker 1>that good stuff, like you kind of penciled him on

0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:38.240
<v Speaker 1>the team immediately. Like Tavon. It's like, well, we can

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:39.760
<v Speaker 1>get rid of this guy if we need to, and

0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:42.200
<v Speaker 1>he's out of here having a great camp. Once the

0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:44.479
<v Speaker 1>alarm went off. I really thought the alarm was going

0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:48.720
<v Speaker 1>to go off for him. You're talking about, Oh, I

0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:51.520
<v Speaker 1>don't remember. Oh, why do you bring that to the

0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:55.440
<v Speaker 1>seriously to say when the alarm went off, I thought

0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:58.760
<v Speaker 1>it was over for him. You're such like such an implier,

0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:01.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, can't talk about what you're talking about. The

0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:03.960
<v Speaker 1>one thing, the one thing I'll throw out there about

0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:07.080
<v Speaker 1>particular about Randall Cop is I like what he brings

0:29:07.120 --> 0:29:09.719
<v Speaker 1>to the team. I like his veteran presence. I think

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:12.000
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna be a good receiver for them. One thing

0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:13.560
<v Speaker 1>that I'm going to keep an eye on that I've

0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:16.320
<v Speaker 1>noticed out here. He's had a couple of days and

0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:19.520
<v Speaker 1>there's been that account in two different days where he

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:21.719
<v Speaker 1>was dropping a lot of passes. One day he had

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:24.480
<v Speaker 1>three drops, one day he had two, and they were

0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:27.680
<v Speaker 1>in every instance. There was a situation where he had

0:29:27.720 --> 0:29:29.720
<v Speaker 1>to extend a little bit, ball hit his hands and

0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:33.400
<v Speaker 1>just went straight through his hands. And that wasn't what

0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:35.800
<v Speaker 1>I thought I knew of Randall Cop. Obviously not watching

0:29:35.880 --> 0:29:38.360
<v Speaker 1>every Green Bay Packer game, I don't really know what

0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 1>his history is with regards of drops, but I do

0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:44.440
<v Speaker 1>know that those two days happened and it put up

0:29:44.480 --> 0:29:46.239
<v Speaker 1>my antenna. So that's something I'm gonna be keeping an

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:48.600
<v Speaker 1>eye on once we get into the regular season. Wide

0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:51.200
<v Speaker 1>receiver is so like running backs, hard to evaluate. Wide

0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:53.480
<v Speaker 1>receivers so easy to evaluate. Are you getting open or

0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 1>you catching cans? Right? So for me to think you're

0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:58.120
<v Speaker 1>having a great camp as a receiver, you gotta bring

0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 1>it and be awesome every day. And that's why I

0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 1>go out of my way to sing gallops praises because

0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:06.200
<v Speaker 1>he has even you know, his drops have been one handed,

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:09.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, just crazy stuff where all these instances I'm

0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:15.640
<v Speaker 1>talking about, we're balls that were pretty readily catchable. There's

0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 1>no doubt about it. He has been up and down,

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:19.480
<v Speaker 1>Like he hasn't been terrible, but he's had at least

0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:23.120
<v Speaker 1>two or three pretty mad practices, and yesterday being one

0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 1>of them. He I mean, he had to jump forward.

0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:26.800
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't a great ball, but it went right through

0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:29.560
<v Speaker 1>his two hands. Yeah, so he was trying. He was

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:32.960
<v Speaker 1>still getting acclimated to all good and again, like I said,

0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:35.760
<v Speaker 1>he's had he's had way more better good days and

0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:38.080
<v Speaker 1>he's had bad days. But my point is, I just

0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:41.120
<v Speaker 1>that's something that piqued my interest because it seemed like

0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:43.800
<v Speaker 1>it happened in bunches. And that's where I'm gonna wonder,

0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:45.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, do you get into the season and do

0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:47.320
<v Speaker 1>those games show up where it's a game or two

0:30:47.440 --> 0:30:49.400
<v Speaker 1>here and there, Yeah, where he's just kind of not

0:30:49.840 --> 0:30:52.440
<v Speaker 1>completely on on. He's not catching the ball like he

0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:54.719
<v Speaker 1>normally does. Something to watch you know, who arrows going up?

0:30:55.480 --> 0:30:58.120
<v Speaker 1>Devin Smith? Yeah he is after we've showing up here.

0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:00.840
<v Speaker 1>We tried our best to bury him yesterday, but he

0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:03.120
<v Speaker 1>like he had another great day of practice. Is it

0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:04.920
<v Speaker 1>possible for him to get back into the mix to

0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:11.120
<v Speaker 1>make this team? I still it's hard. Yeah, something happens injuries, obviously, Yeah,

0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:13.960
<v Speaker 1>I can remember. There's sorry, no, I'm go ahead. There's

0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:15.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot of guys that are gonna get cut from

0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:17.400
<v Speaker 1>other teams, and all of a sudden, then you look

0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:19.760
<v Speaker 1>at all these other receivers and you're like, it's one

0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:22.600
<v Speaker 1>of them better than than Devin Smith, you know, and yeah,

0:31:23.000 --> 0:31:25.560
<v Speaker 1>probably gonna you know, that's probably gonna be the case.

0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:28.160
<v Speaker 1>But this, this, the back end of the depth chart,

0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:31.200
<v Speaker 1>is all about like what what can what all can

0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:33.200
<v Speaker 1>you do? How many ways can you help us? Can

0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:35.800
<v Speaker 1>you play all three positions? Can you play on special teams.

0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:39.160
<v Speaker 1>Devin Smith, I just I don't know that he has

0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:42.800
<v Speaker 1>the versatility to fit that bill, especially if you have

0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Cobb and Tavon. I mean, he would have had to

0:31:46.280 --> 0:31:48.560
<v Speaker 1>have been better than Tavon, or Tavon would have to

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:50.640
<v Speaker 1>be kind of like, you know what, we don't need

0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:52.840
<v Speaker 1>him right now. We got other guys that can do

0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:55.800
<v Speaker 1>that because they're smaller guys that can run. You know,

0:31:55.920 --> 0:31:58.760
<v Speaker 1>you got your big guy and Noel Brown who's gonna

0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 1>be here much like jay Len Guyden. Most of the

0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:04.239
<v Speaker 1>good stuff we've seen from Devin Smith has him been

0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:06.160
<v Speaker 1>running in a straight line down the field like that's

0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:08.240
<v Speaker 1>what he does. He's really good at it. So's Jalen?

0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Is that enough? When you're talking about the last position

0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:14.440
<v Speaker 1>on the receiver depth chart? I think they wanted Jalen

0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:17.000
<v Speaker 1>guyten to be like this because he's got the build

0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:19.280
<v Speaker 1>of I mean, he looks like Terrence Williams out there,

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:21.800
<v Speaker 1>just size wise and Terry Glenn and all that. You know,

0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:23.959
<v Speaker 1>just kind of a big you know, he looks good

0:32:24.000 --> 0:32:26.640
<v Speaker 1>in the pads and all that. But he hasn't he

0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:28.880
<v Speaker 1>hasn't been like Dave said, he hasn't had been you know,

0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:33.680
<v Speaker 1>hasn't the light bulb hasn't come on, just so he

0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:37.959
<v Speaker 1>looked big. He is big. Who's the best player at

0:32:37.960 --> 0:32:41.240
<v Speaker 1>the wide receiver position that won't make the team? Oh wow,

0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:46.680
<v Speaker 1>um oh oh. I'm not convinced John Vay is gonna

0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:50.320
<v Speaker 1>make the team yet. Reggie Davis. Reggie Davis. Yeah, he's

0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:54.120
<v Speaker 1>been pretty good. He's just gonna be on the outside.

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:57.000
<v Speaker 1>I think I think that's a good answer, all right,

0:32:57.280 --> 0:32:59.000
<v Speaker 1>It's more on the tight end position. Who's been the

0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:01.840
<v Speaker 1>best player? This is an interesting one because you could

0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:03.880
<v Speaker 1>probably make a case for two or three guys as

0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 1>the best player we've been. Whitten went out there and

0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:08.960
<v Speaker 1>made that one handed grab yesterday, looking like Witten is

0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:12.960
<v Speaker 1>he's This is the last couple I don't know, maybe

0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:16.239
<v Speaker 1>three four last practices. I've been like he's every day

0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:18.680
<v Speaker 1>it seems like he's making a play. I'm like, yeah, okay,

0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 1>I want us all right, I'll say I mean everything.

0:33:23.920 --> 0:33:26.640
<v Speaker 1>All in all, it's still probably Witten, but Jarwin's the

0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:29.960
<v Speaker 1>most improved. Like I mean, I kind of again kind

0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:33.160
<v Speaker 1>of like Dorn's armstring. I came armstrong, I came out here,

0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:36.120
<v Speaker 1>like okay, Blake Jarwin, I I hear you. I know,

0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 1>you caught three touchdowns, big whoop. But he's looked awesome

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:41.480
<v Speaker 1>out here, I think camp. I think Whitten has been

0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:45.760
<v Speaker 1>the most surprising, honestly, just because it's close of who's

0:33:45.840 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, our expectations are up here or down here?

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:51.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know. With Whitten, it's weird. What are

0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:53.640
<v Speaker 1>your expectations? Is it a guy that's coming out of

0:33:53.720 --> 0:33:55.480
<v Speaker 1>football for years or the guy that's going to be

0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:57.440
<v Speaker 1>in the Hall of Fame. I mean, so I didn't

0:33:57.440 --> 0:34:00.560
<v Speaker 1>know what to expect both, right, It's like and I

0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:02.200
<v Speaker 1>asked him that, you know, I did an interview with

0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:04.320
<v Speaker 1>him and it'll go up in a couple or tomorrow.

0:34:04.400 --> 0:34:08.200
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, you know, rest versus rusty. You know,

0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:09.920
<v Speaker 1>that's what we always talk about. It is there is

0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:11.560
<v Speaker 1>a rest gonna help you or is it are you're

0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:14.759
<v Speaker 1>gonna be rusty? And he said combination of both. Yeah. Um,

0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:18.360
<v Speaker 1>but I think he's been. He's been pretty good. And

0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:21.879
<v Speaker 1>I think it's it's a it's a it's a one

0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:25.480
<v Speaker 1>A and one B. But Jarwin's gonna play more than

0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:28.319
<v Speaker 1>any tight end that's ever played with Witten before. I'm

0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:31.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm starting to believe that Jarwin might actually have a

0:34:31.520 --> 0:34:33.920
<v Speaker 1>significant snap count, which you can. I mean, I've been

0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:35.719
<v Speaker 1>saying a whole year that I didn't think that would

0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:37.440
<v Speaker 1>be the case. Yeah, Amber, what are your thoughts too?

0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:40.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, we went in his last year here. I

0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:44.040
<v Speaker 1>was starting to see a decline with him, um as

0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:47.319
<v Speaker 1>far as just seeing him slow, slowing down a little bit,

0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:50.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, not moving as well as we're used to

0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:54.719
<v Speaker 1>seeing him move. And my expectations with him coming back

0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:57.880
<v Speaker 1>after a year being out it wasn't that high. You know.

0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:01.359
<v Speaker 1>I was like, you know what, I wonder if how

0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:04.680
<v Speaker 1>old he's gonna look out there when you throw him

0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:07.279
<v Speaker 1>in the mix of all these younger guys, And no,

0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:10.080
<v Speaker 1>he's been able to keep up with everyone. He looks

0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:12.239
<v Speaker 1>even better than the last year that he was here.

0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:15.440
<v Speaker 1>As long as his helmet's on, he looks younger, looks amazing.

0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:17.239
<v Speaker 1>He looks younger than he did. When he takes his

0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:21.160
<v Speaker 1>helmet off, You're like, oh, yeah, yeah, changed got a

0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:25.480
<v Speaker 1>few less here. But with then Blake Jarwin, I really

0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:28.160
<v Speaker 1>like him too. He still needs to improve in the

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:32.520
<v Speaker 1>blocking game, but as you know, last year when Swain

0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:36.320
<v Speaker 1>went out, he started improving with all the reps that

0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:39.200
<v Speaker 1>they were giving him. You started seeing him an incline

0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:41.719
<v Speaker 1>in progress, and I'm glad that he's been able to

0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:44.640
<v Speaker 1>carry that into this year and keep improving and he's

0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:47.359
<v Speaker 1>doing well. All right, um, let's move on. Let's talk

0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:49.279
<v Speaker 1>about the offensive line. Who's been the best player at

0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:52.960
<v Speaker 1>the offensive line? Tyron? Yeah, that's pretty easy, all right?

0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:57.279
<v Speaker 1>Who's been? You want to go second? All right, I'll

0:35:57.320 --> 0:36:02.120
<v Speaker 1>give you unto baby. Let's go third? Best ball, come

0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:06.359
<v Speaker 1>up a third best? Probably Lyle? Is that documentary coming up?

0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:13.760
<v Speaker 1>Put her on the spot? Look at her face? Snipe

0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:16.440
<v Speaker 1>fest between you two. I wasn't trying to put her

0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:18.400
<v Speaker 1>on the spot. Taking one takes a shot, then the

0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:21.439
<v Speaker 1>other takes a shot. What are we doing? More about promotion? Yeah, well,

0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:24.120
<v Speaker 1>if you want to promote one, there's one that's coming

0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:27.520
<v Speaker 1>out today to promote there's actually a deep Blue documentary

0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:29.960
<v Speaker 1>coming out in just a few hours call own it.

0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:33.759
<v Speaker 1>Who's this guy on? Oh? J Jerry Jones. Jerry Jones. Yeah,

0:36:33.880 --> 0:36:37.640
<v Speaker 1>now that's coming out today at one o'clock Pacific three cluck. Guys.

0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:41.040
<v Speaker 1>You know what, there's been a you know, I know

0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:43.719
<v Speaker 1>that there's been a lot of stuff on Jerry Jones,

0:36:43.840 --> 0:36:45.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, even the last couple of years with him

0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 1>going to the Hall of Fame, a football life and

0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:49.800
<v Speaker 1>all that stuff. Here are a lot of stories in

0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:52.200
<v Speaker 1>this documentary that that are a little bit different too.

0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:56.600
<v Speaker 1>And Stephen Jones told some really good stuff and brought

0:36:56.680 --> 0:36:58.960
<v Speaker 1>us has a story that's pretty funny there at the end.

0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:01.960
<v Speaker 1>So there there are some good, uh, some nuggets that

0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:04.239
<v Speaker 1>you have things that I don't think there were things

0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:06.960
<v Speaker 1>I had. Probably a story you've heard better if Brian

0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:09.160
<v Speaker 1>told it. I bet I've heard it's cell phone story.

0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:12.879
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's actually one. That's one good. Yeah, it's

0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:15.480
<v Speaker 1>it's in the cell phone, all right. So who's who

0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:18.959
<v Speaker 1>is the so we say most improved player is? Would

0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:21.960
<v Speaker 1>you say that's it's hard to think that anybody has

0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:23.880
<v Speaker 1>not been more improved than Connor from where he was

0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:26.000
<v Speaker 1>last year to where he is now. The way his

0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:29.120
<v Speaker 1>bodies build, his strength, his ability to play the position,

0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:31.759
<v Speaker 1>he is ten times better. That's another one that, like

0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:34.759
<v Speaker 1>I've said it about a million other guys though like it.

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:37.480
<v Speaker 1>He has to play like that now. Like it's one

0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:39.600
<v Speaker 1>thing for us to rave about how he looks in camp,

0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:43.720
<v Speaker 1>but it's got to translate when it's freaking Fletcher Cocks.

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:45.480
<v Speaker 1>On the other side, Well, what you love about it

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:48.320
<v Speaker 1>is you see him up against these guys like MALIEK. Collins,

0:37:48.680 --> 0:37:52.440
<v Speaker 1>and when when he plants and he settles in, they

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:55.239
<v Speaker 1>are not moving like that. He is stopping guys. No,

0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:57.200
<v Speaker 1>that's not what he was doing. Last year. Scott the

0:37:57.280 --> 0:38:01.400
<v Speaker 1>nutritionist and and Brett Besch, this strength and conditioning guy, like,

0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:03.719
<v Speaker 1>they gave him a binder in January and it was

0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:08.680
<v Speaker 1>called the Zach Martin How to guy eat this? How

0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:12.320
<v Speaker 1>you Martin do these drills? I mean it's something like

0:38:12.840 --> 0:38:15.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying he plays like Zach because nobody does,

0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:19.239
<v Speaker 1>but he looks exactly like yeah, and this he's even

0:38:19.320 --> 0:38:23.120
<v Speaker 1>growing like kind of a beard situation za yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:27.880
<v Speaker 1>The left. The disappointing part of all that is that

0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:30.879
<v Speaker 1>he did he got that binder, and then he also

0:38:30.960 --> 0:38:33.680
<v Speaker 1>went to Connor McGovern and said, hey, come with me,

0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:37.400
<v Speaker 1>because we're gonna do this thing becomes zat if you

0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:41.840
<v Speaker 1>saw every day it was both of them, the two Connors,

0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:44.920
<v Speaker 1>out there doing stuff. And then in January or February,

0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:47.239
<v Speaker 1>hopefully Connor's going to go back to those guys and say,

0:38:47.239 --> 0:38:49.600
<v Speaker 1>all right, where's the tyrant Smith binder? Can that one? There?

0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:53.440
<v Speaker 1>You go? But but I it's been disappointing that the

0:38:53.560 --> 0:38:59.880
<v Speaker 1>peck injury has prevented Connor McGovern from doing anything that's

0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:04.560
<v Speaker 1>low key disappointing storyline of camp because but who knows

0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:05.840
<v Speaker 1>what he might have been able to do if he

0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:09.400
<v Speaker 1>was totally healthy. Something tells me that they they aren't.

0:39:10.640 --> 0:39:14.560
<v Speaker 1>They're not gonna keep ten linemen, and maybe they don't

0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:17.960
<v Speaker 1>even keep eight. You think seven? No, No, I mean

0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:21.239
<v Speaker 1>maybe they only keep eight. Eight was It's like you

0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:23.319
<v Speaker 1>can go back and look like they kind of stick

0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:26.239
<v Speaker 1>to a pattern, like for the longest time it was eight.

0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:28.480
<v Speaker 1>They've carried nine a couple of times, but like I

0:39:28.520 --> 0:39:30.920
<v Speaker 1>would say, in Garrett's tenure, they've carried eight way more

0:39:30.960 --> 0:39:32.920
<v Speaker 1>often than any of your three backups are going to

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:39.520
<v Speaker 1>be looney. Yes, he's been really good. He's been good. McGovern, Fleming, Fleming,

0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:42.360
<v Speaker 1>get it's gotta have a tackle. Yeah, right, there's not

0:39:42.440 --> 0:39:46.680
<v Speaker 1>a better tackle backup tackle. So who that's my question.

0:39:46.719 --> 0:39:51.160
<v Speaker 1>You want to keep nine? You can't. I would too,

0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:55.280
<v Speaker 1>But I'm wondering if they're trying to figure out ways

0:39:55.800 --> 0:40:00.200
<v Speaker 1>to maybe not keep Fleming and I'm okay if you

0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:02.000
<v Speaker 1>want to trade, if you're trying to do a roster

0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:05.960
<v Speaker 1>cut trade, that's fine. So who becomes your your tackle

0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:08.520
<v Speaker 1>out here? Do you trust to be your swing tackle

0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:11.600
<v Speaker 1>right now? Right? Unless you want to use Connor Williams.

0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:14.200
<v Speaker 1>That's That's what I'm wondering. We just raved about, is

0:40:14.920 --> 0:40:16.520
<v Speaker 1>a right like that? Don't move him? If that's what

0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:19.320
<v Speaker 1>I think, Maybe they might do that. But he's exact.

0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:22.760
<v Speaker 1>But the issue maybe looney issue with tackle in practice yesterday,

0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:25.640
<v Speaker 1>he issue with that becomes then you're you're talking about

0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:27.920
<v Speaker 1>unless it's going to be Looney, you're talking about now

0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:31.759
<v Speaker 1>one position injury now affects two or three positions, and

0:40:31.840 --> 0:40:33.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's ever a good Let me clarify,

0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:37.760
<v Speaker 1>Looney was jumbo like. He wasn't playing the right tackle.

0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:40.319
<v Speaker 1>He was in the jumbo package, which is different. Yes,

0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:42.040
<v Speaker 1>and he's been doing that. He's done that in the past.

0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:44.320
<v Speaker 1>That's really more of a tight end, is what that is?

0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Ye place to tight end? Yeah, I would be I

0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:50.800
<v Speaker 1>would be surprised if Fleming, So I would keep n

0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:52.320
<v Speaker 1>eye because I don't be shot. I don't know what

0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:53.719
<v Speaker 1>I can get out of the government that would be

0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:55.719
<v Speaker 1>one of the most surprising cuts. I think you could

0:40:55.800 --> 0:40:57.960
<v Speaker 1>make it in my opinion, just knowing what else they have.

0:40:58.160 --> 0:40:59.759
<v Speaker 1>But if they didn't have Fleming on this team. I'm

0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:05.080
<v Speaker 1>telling though, I'm not cutting Suafilo at all. I don't

0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:09.279
<v Speaker 1>cut him all year because I really believe if you

0:41:09.360 --> 0:41:11.600
<v Speaker 1>don't sign lyle and you have to do something, maybe

0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:14.000
<v Speaker 1>when I move Connor out there. I mean, this is

0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:16.640
<v Speaker 1>a four fifth year guy, right he's in his fifth year,

0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:18.839
<v Speaker 1>sixth I think six the same draft class is Zach

0:41:18.880 --> 0:41:21.200
<v Speaker 1>I think, okay, I mean he's relatively young. I'm looking

0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:23.239
<v Speaker 1>at him here right here. I mean he's he's his

0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:25.600
<v Speaker 1>body looks a lot different than it than it did

0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:28.120
<v Speaker 1>like maybe six weeks ago, because he was banged up

0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:29.799
<v Speaker 1>a little bit in the offseason, didn't do a lot.

0:41:30.280 --> 0:41:33.440
<v Speaker 1>He you can just put him in regardless. I mean,

0:41:33.480 --> 0:41:37.239
<v Speaker 1>he's got that old man you know, Hawaiian strength or something.

0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:40.399
<v Speaker 1>I even know where he's from, man, oh man, He's

0:41:40.520 --> 0:41:43.720
<v Speaker 1>a lot of his families from Hawaiian. He's not remember

0:41:44.320 --> 0:41:45.920
<v Speaker 1>that time writing it right now. Oh, He's got a

0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:47.399
<v Speaker 1>lot of tickets he had to get for this game.

0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:49.600
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0:41:49.600 --> 0:41:51.160
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0:41:51.160 --> 0:41:52.840
<v Speaker 1>gonna get into the defense to talk about some of

0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:54.920
<v Speaker 1>those positions. We'll do that when we come right back.

0:41:54.920 --> 0:41:59.319
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<v Speaker 1>Today back to the break, Welcome back. It's the final

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<v Speaker 1>segment of the Great Blackamoxs dot California Cowboys are taking

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<v Speaker 1>the field right now. They're doing their little uh the

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<v Speaker 1>yoga session. Special teams walk through and yoga while Special

0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:43.680
<v Speaker 1>Teams goes on the vets do yoga yeah, and then

0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:45.799
<v Speaker 1>the special team will do their yoga. The guys who

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<v Speaker 1>are confident that they've got a roster spot are over

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<v Speaker 1>here and the guys who are still working on it

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<v Speaker 1>are over there. Cody Wenchman. Right there. Oh he's hurt

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<v Speaker 1>right now, Kody Wenchman, all right, quite right there. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>let's jump back into I was just trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>a joke, sorry that you daved me right there, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, well, actually that's kind of true. Yeah, true.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's get into the defense. Uh, let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the defensive line. Who's been the best player on

0:45:11.840 --> 0:45:15.800
<v Speaker 1>the defensive line throughout training camp Mailie Collins. Yeah, yeah, so,

0:45:16.040 --> 0:45:18.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean he's on I was like, looking down the line,

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<v Speaker 1>he has been the best defensive end Dorance Armstrong, carry Hyder?

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<v Speaker 1>Ok okay, maybe carry Hyder all right, imper sorry, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>I just love what he's done against the good players,

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<v Speaker 1>Like he's I mean, Lyle's been giving him, like they've

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<v Speaker 1>been going back and forth, but he's been giving Lyle fits.

0:45:34.760 --> 0:45:38.040
<v Speaker 1>He beat Tyron a few times, like he's not beaten

0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:40.400
<v Speaker 1>up on you know, the third and fourth string tackles.

0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:43.399
<v Speaker 1>He's playing well against the studs. Yeah. What Garrett always says,

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<v Speaker 1>as injury provides opportunity, and the fact that the d

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<v Speaker 1>Law and Quinn are now out and and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>at least for this time, and it's it's somebody has

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<v Speaker 1>to go up against Tyrant. You know, Tristan Ta He's

0:45:55.280 --> 0:45:59.440
<v Speaker 1>a troublemaker. Tristan do till do tell No. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>still I was. I was looking through footage to put

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<v Speaker 1>together a little clip, and I run into several times

0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:09.120
<v Speaker 1>that he has tried to punch somebody like he He's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be really good. I don't think we'll see much

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<v Speaker 1>this year, but next year, I think he's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>one of the best here. He has that I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know edge to him, and he doesn't like being thrown around,

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<v Speaker 1>not that anybody does. But when he gets up, he

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<v Speaker 1>gets pissed. You know. He doesn't do the headshake like

0:46:32.760 --> 0:46:34.880
<v Speaker 1>some like get up and just shake their head and

0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:43.600
<v Speaker 1>walk off. He gets pissed. And and that's good for

0:46:44.360 --> 0:46:46.920
<v Speaker 1>what he's trying to do because that pushes him for

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<v Speaker 1>the next rep. He's going all out and giving everything

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<v Speaker 1>that he can. Exactly right about that. And somebody told

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<v Speaker 1>him a long time ago, don't get punked and whatever

0:46:57.200 --> 0:46:59.520
<v Speaker 1>it was, You're not gonna punk me. And so even

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<v Speaker 1>though it happens, you know, he has to go up

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<v Speaker 1>against the Zack Martins and Travis Fredericks and those in

0:47:04.040 --> 0:47:07.520
<v Speaker 1>Connor Williams, but you're not gonna do it twice, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and and if you do then it will just fight

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<v Speaker 1>lost once. I mean, he's just he's and it's kind

0:47:16.160 --> 0:47:18.399
<v Speaker 1>of like Connor Williams is if you talk to him

0:47:18.400 --> 0:47:21.359
<v Speaker 1>over here, at nice guy, but he's really nasty. He's

0:47:21.360 --> 0:47:23.920
<v Speaker 1>a nasty player, very nice off the field. Yeah, and

0:47:24.200 --> 0:47:27.480
<v Speaker 1>he's but several of those guys are Look at Joel Learney, Yeah,

0:47:27.760 --> 0:47:31.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean it wasn't you gotta be you gotta be

0:47:31.400 --> 0:47:36.480
<v Speaker 1>like that, you gotta be a bastard. For my favorite

0:47:36.480 --> 0:47:38.719
<v Speaker 1>player of all time for the Cowboys, Darren Woodson, was

0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:40.720
<v Speaker 1>exactly like that. He was a beast on the field,

0:47:40.760 --> 0:47:43.040
<v Speaker 1>get him off the field. Is the nicest, most articulate

0:47:43.120 --> 0:47:45.440
<v Speaker 1>guy you ever want to meet and spending half conversation with.

0:47:45.880 --> 0:47:48.800
<v Speaker 1>But if you're gonna play in the NFL, those guys

0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:51.920
<v Speaker 1>are meat on the field. I saw to be One

0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:55.920
<v Speaker 1>time Darren Woodson came off the field and cussed out

0:47:56.040 --> 0:47:58.600
<v Speaker 1>the defensive line coach, like right to his face, like

0:47:58.719 --> 0:48:01.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, this guy's sixty something. Your sold just cussed

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<v Speaker 1>him out, And I'm just like wow, And then the

0:48:04.120 --> 0:48:08.359
<v Speaker 1>game was always like yeah, probably yeah, talk Jason witten Man. Yeah,

0:48:09.040 --> 0:48:12.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna be savage on the field, jerk out there. It's awesome.

0:48:12.400 --> 0:48:14.280
<v Speaker 1>It's it's a whole different thing. I was telling somebody

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<v Speaker 1>the first time I was ever on a sideline doing

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<v Speaker 1>an NFL game. Like the stuff you hear down there, Yeah,

0:48:19.640 --> 0:48:22.279
<v Speaker 1>it ain't men for kids, Like they're they're going at

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<v Speaker 1>each other physically, but they're also talking to each other

0:48:25.280 --> 0:48:28.279
<v Speaker 1>and the stuff they're saying, they're challenging, you're you know,

0:48:28.320 --> 0:48:31.440
<v Speaker 1>they're challenging each other. Yeah, mentally challenging each You know,

0:48:31.560 --> 0:48:34.319
<v Speaker 1>we always say that about people, whether or not they're

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<v Speaker 1>players or whatever, when they're when they're new that we

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<v Speaker 1>always make that statement, you don't know what you don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think Tristan Hill's kind of it. That's, you know,

0:48:41.520 --> 0:48:43.680
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't know what he doesn't know. You know. Charles

0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:45.520
<v Speaker 1>Haley comes to try to help him, and he's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like a little stand office, you know, like what, no, No,

0:48:49.239 --> 0:48:53.080
<v Speaker 1>it's okay. You know, I'm Charles Haley. Hill might not register,

0:48:53.360 --> 0:48:55.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, admitted to the Hall of Fame and that

0:48:56.080 --> 0:48:58.840
<v Speaker 1>might not register yet either. No, he's just up. My

0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:00.840
<v Speaker 1>name's on the stadium, right, Yeah, A bet ring of

0:49:00.920 --> 0:49:04.480
<v Speaker 1>honor doesn't really, but it's okay, all right. Who's the

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<v Speaker 1>best player on the defensive line that will not make

0:49:06.680 --> 0:49:15.120
<v Speaker 1>this team? The odd man out? Daniel Ross. You don't

0:49:15.120 --> 0:49:17.480
<v Speaker 1>think Danie Ross makes it good. I can't get him

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<v Speaker 1>on the roster. It just depends on how many they keep,

0:49:20.680 --> 0:49:23.040
<v Speaker 1>and that it's hard. I mean, they've gone with as

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<v Speaker 1>few as eight in the past. I don't think that'll

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<v Speaker 1>happen this year, but they have. They've also carried as

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<v Speaker 1>met eleven. I'm gonna float a name out there that

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<v Speaker 1>Nick brought up in practice yesterday. Oh gosh, I was

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<v Speaker 1>just I know, it's just it really is. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>for conversation purposes, because I don't think I would be

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely shocked if it happens Tyrone Crawford. I would, yeah,

0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I would be shocked. I'd be shocked. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I just I just said it because I'm you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're looking to see what you know, what they've got.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you still be shocked though, with all the things

0:49:55.120 --> 0:49:59.160
<v Speaker 1>on this team? Yeah, yes, yeah, there's something that get right,

0:49:59.400 --> 0:50:02.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah kind of Bailey does Brian. That was shocking to

0:50:02.800 --> 0:50:09.799
<v Speaker 1>me expecting I hear what you're saying, but you make

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<v Speaker 1>good points. But if we don't get shocked, then it's

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<v Speaker 1>not fun. So let's get in a while, right uh Um?

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<v Speaker 1>I just you know, that's interesting. He's a captain, He's

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want this to happen. I'm not suggesting it

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<v Speaker 1>or anything. I was just it was awful just looking

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<v Speaker 1>at it. It was just a conversation. Yeah, he's not here,

0:50:28.360 --> 0:50:30.960
<v Speaker 1>and and really, like what I don't know is what

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<v Speaker 1>is he right now? That's what's the body hard part?

0:50:33.400 --> 0:50:34.959
<v Speaker 1>Where do you got him a hard part? His body

0:50:35.040 --> 0:50:38.239
<v Speaker 1>type is impressive. He looks yoked and haven't seen him play,

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<v Speaker 1>But where are you gonna put him? Are you gonna

0:50:39.560 --> 0:50:41.359
<v Speaker 1>put him at defensive And he's not starting at either

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<v Speaker 1>defensive end or defensive tackle? So where does he play?

0:50:44.080 --> 0:50:45.959
<v Speaker 1>Is he your guy that comes in on passing downs?

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<v Speaker 1>He becomes your three technique on passing down? Big ask

0:50:49.160 --> 0:50:51.279
<v Speaker 1>because he's not even off of pup. But he could

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<v Speaker 1>be your starting defensive end week one. Robert Quinn's not here.

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<v Speaker 1>Good point. So I mean it all like the big

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<v Speaker 1>question with him is his health and maybe he'll start

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<v Speaker 1>the season on PUP. I mean at the way, the

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<v Speaker 1>way it's trending right now, which, like I said, DeMarcus,

0:51:06.440 --> 0:51:09.000
<v Speaker 1>we've sort of known this about DeMarcus since like April,

0:51:09.080 --> 0:51:11.320
<v Speaker 1>right and we've like they've been saying. They said it

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<v Speaker 1>at the draft, they said at OTAs mini camp. When

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<v Speaker 1>we got here, they're like, he's working, he's fine, he's

0:51:15.680 --> 0:51:17.640
<v Speaker 1>on target for week one. We haven't heard any of

0:51:17.719 --> 0:51:20.719
<v Speaker 1>that stuff about Tyrone, So maybe we need to be

0:51:20.800 --> 0:51:22.600
<v Speaker 1>digging around a little bit more and find out just

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<v Speaker 1>what maybe the timetable might what their expectations are. I

0:51:25.760 --> 0:51:32.880
<v Speaker 1>think that Taco Charlton will make this team and by

0:51:32.960 --> 0:51:36.759
<v Speaker 1>week two or three, maybe cut or traded if he

0:51:36.880 --> 0:51:40.000
<v Speaker 1>hasn't playing well, and whenever win Quinn comes back. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think, if you know you've got to make a

0:51:43.360 --> 0:51:45.839
<v Speaker 1>move for somebody now, then again, somebody could get hurt

0:51:45.880 --> 0:51:47.680
<v Speaker 1>in week one or two and that changes some things.

0:51:47.719 --> 0:51:50.839
<v Speaker 1>But I think I feel like they're ready to call

0:51:50.920 --> 0:51:55.080
<v Speaker 1>that a loss too. I feel like they would tell

0:51:55.200 --> 0:51:57.000
<v Speaker 1>you that he's picked up his play here in the

0:51:57.120 --> 0:52:00.200
<v Speaker 1>last few days week or so, and I honestly think

0:52:00.280 --> 0:52:03.200
<v Speaker 1>that's gonna make them say we're gonna give him this year,

0:52:03.440 --> 0:52:05.840
<v Speaker 1>this full year to see what he can do and

0:52:05.920 --> 0:52:08.319
<v Speaker 1>if it doesn't work, then next year is the year

0:52:08.360 --> 0:52:10.160
<v Speaker 1>that he has out. I think he may have done

0:52:10.320 --> 0:52:13.640
<v Speaker 1>enough to at least peak their curiosity to say keep

0:52:13.680 --> 0:52:17.879
<v Speaker 1>him around for another year. Personally, I think I think

0:52:17.920 --> 0:52:20.880
<v Speaker 1>I can cut this roster down right now with a

0:52:21.080 --> 0:52:25.640
<v Speaker 1>high with a high degree of accuracy. But I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what to do with the defensive line. It's like,

0:52:27.760 --> 0:52:30.960
<v Speaker 1>it is hard. It is the toughest one to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of try to figure out how they're feeling. Even if

0:52:33.719 --> 0:52:35.920
<v Speaker 1>you do all the other ones first and you get

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<v Speaker 1>to forty two and you're like, wow, I got eleven,

0:52:39.680 --> 0:52:42.560
<v Speaker 1>get to go here. That's a lot. That's probably too many.

0:52:43.080 --> 0:52:45.960
<v Speaker 1>It's still tough. Getting into eleven is tough because you

0:52:46.000 --> 0:52:48.680
<v Speaker 1>gotta cut the Daniel Ross. You gotta cut maybe tackled,

0:52:48.719 --> 0:52:52.279
<v Speaker 1>you gotta cut Jalen Jelks, you gotta cut. You gotta ask. Yeah,

0:52:52.280 --> 0:52:55.280
<v Speaker 1>you're like, are they really gonna carry like four rookies

0:52:55.320 --> 0:52:59.320
<v Speaker 1>on their defensive line. Yeah, that's something that I remember

0:53:00.040 --> 0:53:02.400
<v Speaker 1>you and Rob were pointing out yesterday about the second

0:53:02.400 --> 0:53:06.120
<v Speaker 1>team defensive line was all rookies all across the board,

0:53:06.160 --> 0:53:07.880
<v Speaker 1>and it wasn't Tristan Hill, who was playing with the

0:53:07.880 --> 0:53:10.040
<v Speaker 1>first team because Malik was out, but it was Jolkes

0:53:10.320 --> 0:53:13.640
<v Speaker 1>and Joe Jackson and then the tackles were helped me here,

0:53:13.760 --> 0:53:21.879
<v Speaker 1>why yeah sixty eight that guys like, no one's talking

0:53:21.880 --> 0:53:25.680
<v Speaker 1>about Ricky Walker at all. For William, I don't, well, yeah,

0:53:25.680 --> 0:53:27.680
<v Speaker 1>because he went to Tech. I don't know what to

0:53:27.800 --> 0:53:31.279
<v Speaker 1>do with the defensive line. And we'll see, we'll see

0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:34.840
<v Speaker 1>all right, linebackers, who's been the best player at linebacker? Mmmm.

0:53:35.120 --> 0:53:40.480
<v Speaker 1>I know it's hard to evaluate. I think I think

0:53:40.560 --> 0:53:42.920
<v Speaker 1>and this, this is this kind of describes them to

0:53:43.040 --> 0:53:48.000
<v Speaker 1>a t Like Jalen is the flashier. Jalen stands out

0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:50.279
<v Speaker 1>the most. You can watch the games. Like I've said

0:53:50.280 --> 0:53:52.720
<v Speaker 1>it before, like when he hits people, it looks different,

0:53:52.800 --> 0:53:57.440
<v Speaker 1>like he's physical, he knocks people back, his dreads are flowing,

0:53:57.520 --> 0:54:00.520
<v Speaker 1>and he looks just like the baddest mofa in the world.

0:54:00.600 --> 0:54:04.279
<v Speaker 1>And then comes the celebration. But I think, and this

0:54:04.440 --> 0:54:06.560
<v Speaker 1>isn't to say, this isn't to say Jalen's not good,

0:54:06.680 --> 0:54:10.080
<v Speaker 1>but I think like Layton is quietly the better player

0:54:10.800 --> 0:54:14.960
<v Speaker 1>and just quietly does freaky stuff like cover running backs

0:54:15.000 --> 0:54:18.080
<v Speaker 1>in the open field and make tackles four yards short.

0:54:18.160 --> 0:54:20.000
<v Speaker 1>We're supposed to be. If he looked at the roster

0:54:20.160 --> 0:54:22.480
<v Speaker 1>of the Pro Bowl and the All Pro Team, Yeah,

0:54:22.520 --> 0:54:24.880
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't so quiet. I mean, yeah, for Shore, the

0:54:24.960 --> 0:54:27.160
<v Speaker 1>same thing. And I think people think that too. So

0:54:27.520 --> 0:54:30.160
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't. No, Jalen doesn't. And let's be honest though,

0:54:30.160 --> 0:54:31.960
<v Speaker 1>too he does some of those same things when he

0:54:32.040 --> 0:54:34.840
<v Speaker 1>gets guys, they don't get extra yards. No, he is

0:54:34.880 --> 0:54:36.799
<v Speaker 1>a he's a big guy, and he comes, he comes

0:54:36.840 --> 0:54:40.319
<v Speaker 1>with the heat there and exactly like they're both super good.

0:54:40.480 --> 0:54:44.319
<v Speaker 1>But I think I think Layton's entire body of work

0:54:44.360 --> 0:54:46.480
<v Speaker 1>has been better over the course of camps. Chamber. I

0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:48.800
<v Speaker 1>don't say like I sound hesitant when I say that,

0:54:48.880 --> 0:54:51.200
<v Speaker 1>but that's how I feel. I agree with that. But

0:54:51.600 --> 0:54:55.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean a guy that definitely called my eyes was

0:54:55.600 --> 0:54:58.399
<v Speaker 1>fifty seven look good for? I mean, I'm like, oh,

0:54:58.680 --> 0:55:03.160
<v Speaker 1>who's fifty seven over there? Huh? Makes play all he does?

0:55:03.320 --> 0:55:05.840
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know what they're planning on doing with

0:55:06.040 --> 0:55:09.000
<v Speaker 1>him after this injury that I mean, he's gonna be

0:55:09.040 --> 0:55:12.080
<v Speaker 1>out at least a month, that's like at least four weeks,

0:55:12.160 --> 0:55:15.279
<v Speaker 1>and what do you do with him? Because he has

0:55:15.320 --> 0:55:18.640
<v Speaker 1>been pretty good this whole camp and he's made his

0:55:18.760 --> 0:55:21.480
<v Speaker 1>name known. So all you all you need to know

0:55:21.520 --> 0:55:23.439
<v Speaker 1>about him is that he's gonna make the team after

0:55:23.560 --> 0:55:27.680
<v Speaker 1>getting hurt on August tenth, was it? Which I sort

0:55:27.680 --> 0:55:30.279
<v Speaker 1>of suggested that to Jason Garrett the other day you

0:55:30.320 --> 0:55:32.880
<v Speaker 1>got He got mad at me. He was like, I

0:55:32.960 --> 0:55:34.880
<v Speaker 1>mean more or less. I was like, well, yeah, like

0:55:35.320 --> 0:55:36.640
<v Speaker 1>a you're gonna put him on ir what are you

0:55:36.680 --> 0:55:38.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna do with him? Like how are you gonna keep

0:55:38.080 --> 0:55:40.640
<v Speaker 1>him here? And he was like, whoall, we're let's not

0:55:40.800 --> 0:55:42.640
<v Speaker 1>get so far ahead of ourselves, like we got a

0:55:42.680 --> 0:55:44.759
<v Speaker 1>lot of time left. I was like, okay, Jason, that's cool.

0:55:45.040 --> 0:55:46.239
<v Speaker 1>What are you gonna do with him? Because he's on

0:55:46.239 --> 0:55:48.879
<v Speaker 1>the team. It actually worked out perfect for him when

0:55:48.920 --> 0:55:51.759
<v Speaker 1>you think about it, like he got a pick, he's

0:55:51.800 --> 0:55:54.840
<v Speaker 1>been playing well, he got a pick, he made a tackle,

0:55:55.600 --> 0:55:59.120
<v Speaker 1>he got hurt. He's done. He can't eve out, he can't,

0:55:59.320 --> 0:56:02.560
<v Speaker 1>can't get anymore, can't truck, he can't, but I can

0:56:02.680 --> 0:56:05.440
<v Speaker 1>bad play. He's done, Like his evaluation is done, and

0:56:05.520 --> 0:56:07.000
<v Speaker 1>he's you know what I mean I said this on

0:56:07.120 --> 0:56:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Monday though, is you can't I r him because it

0:56:09.920 --> 0:56:12.480
<v Speaker 1>ends his season. So you're just stuck carrying a guy

0:56:12.560 --> 0:56:14.880
<v Speaker 1>that can't practice and also can't help you get through

0:56:14.960 --> 0:56:16.680
<v Speaker 1>these games. But he may the team do they actually

0:56:16.840 --> 0:56:18.680
<v Speaker 1>need that this year though? That would be My thing

0:56:18.880 --> 0:56:21.520
<v Speaker 1>is the likelihood where he is right now, even though

0:56:21.560 --> 0:56:24.000
<v Speaker 1>he's had a good camp, the likelihood that he actually

0:56:24.080 --> 0:56:26.319
<v Speaker 1>plays you other than special teams year is really really

0:56:26.400 --> 0:56:29.240
<v Speaker 1>small him and in his season, like he can't practice

0:56:29.280 --> 0:56:30.839
<v Speaker 1>for you. He get all that. In that, I get

0:56:30.840 --> 0:56:33.160
<v Speaker 1>all that. My point is, if they're looking at it as, hey,

0:56:33.280 --> 0:56:35.440
<v Speaker 1>we want this guy, it's more important for us to

0:56:35.520 --> 0:56:37.560
<v Speaker 1>have this guy for next year. So retaining his rights

0:56:37.680 --> 0:56:39.720
<v Speaker 1>is important to us because we may not have Sean,

0:56:40.080 --> 0:56:41.960
<v Speaker 1>we may not have you know what, other other other

0:56:42.080 --> 0:56:45.319
<v Speaker 1>other guys may be unavailable because they're free agents or whatever.

0:56:45.400 --> 0:56:47.800
<v Speaker 1>The point is, they may look at it as we

0:56:47.880 --> 0:56:49.520
<v Speaker 1>don't think he's going to play a ton this year.

0:56:49.760 --> 0:56:52.600
<v Speaker 1>It's more important to keep his rights. Maybe, But also

0:56:52.680 --> 0:56:55.640
<v Speaker 1>I guarantee you the coaches are like, when he gets healthy,

0:56:55.719 --> 0:56:58.279
<v Speaker 1>which would probably be in October or whatever it is,

0:56:58.520 --> 0:57:02.080
<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe September, we want him out there practicing and

0:57:02.239 --> 0:57:04.359
<v Speaker 1>learning the defense. And I mean, you're not getting better

0:57:04.560 --> 0:57:06.680
<v Speaker 1>by taking a year off of absolutely, but but we've

0:57:06.680 --> 0:57:08.800
<v Speaker 1>seen him do this before. With we have with rookie.

0:57:08.880 --> 0:57:11.399
<v Speaker 1>So but it happens, I think they will put him

0:57:11.440 --> 0:57:14.640
<v Speaker 1>on IR on August thirty first. Yeah, that's what I think. Okay,

0:57:15.239 --> 0:57:17.680
<v Speaker 1>we'll see all right, um, let's go and get the

0:57:17.720 --> 0:57:19.560
<v Speaker 1>defensive actual quick before the end of the show. Who's

0:57:19.560 --> 0:57:21.520
<v Speaker 1>been the best player out here at defensive back? Now

0:57:21.600 --> 0:57:23.720
<v Speaker 1>that's tough. That is tough because you got two guys

0:57:24.040 --> 0:57:28.640
<v Speaker 1>in Cheetos don't have time for that and Xavier Woods

0:57:28.720 --> 0:57:31.000
<v Speaker 1>both of them have played I think, extremely well out here.

0:57:31.000 --> 0:57:32.520
<v Speaker 1>If you had to catch one, who's been the best

0:57:32.880 --> 0:57:36.200
<v Speaker 1>bed too, But he absolutely has very simple three Cheeto

0:57:37.480 --> 0:57:41.800
<v Speaker 1>very very similarly to Jalen and Layton. Like Xavier, you know,

0:57:41.920 --> 0:57:43.960
<v Speaker 1>safeties make the splash plays, they get picks, that's what

0:57:44.040 --> 0:57:46.920
<v Speaker 1>you noticed. But Cheetos just out here covering everybody. He's

0:57:47.120 --> 0:57:49.480
<v Speaker 1>like he and he actually he made a play yesterday

0:57:49.520 --> 0:57:52.120
<v Speaker 1>that I think, I mean, picks are what you want.

0:57:52.160 --> 0:57:55.760
<v Speaker 1>But it was almost as impressive as it was Byron Jones.

0:57:55.840 --> 0:57:57.880
<v Speaker 1>He did the Byron like He literally just sort of

0:57:57.960 --> 0:58:00.840
<v Speaker 1>positioned his body around the receiver, didn't touch him, and

0:58:00.920 --> 0:58:02.480
<v Speaker 1>just poked the ball away. By the way, it was

0:58:02.520 --> 0:58:04.560
<v Speaker 1>a whole crossing route which is the hardest time an

0:58:04.640 --> 0:58:07.280
<v Speaker 1>in breaking route. He's just like, you're not going to

0:58:07.360 --> 0:58:10.880
<v Speaker 1>catch that. Uh, and we've seen Byron that's Byron Jones's move,

0:58:11.040 --> 0:58:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Like that's what he does and we haven't seen And

0:58:13.280 --> 0:58:14.920
<v Speaker 1>that wasn't the first time we've seen Kito do that

0:58:15.000 --> 0:58:17.800
<v Speaker 1>out here. He's done that. He like he's been the

0:58:17.880 --> 0:58:19.880
<v Speaker 1>tough luck loser for the last two years where it's

0:58:19.880 --> 0:58:22.440
<v Speaker 1>like his coverage was so good, but the guy still

0:58:22.480 --> 0:58:24.320
<v Speaker 1>caught it. Like that hasn't been happening out here. You

0:58:24.400 --> 0:58:28.120
<v Speaker 1>have an unbelievable coach. Yeah, he's just he's still good.

0:58:28.440 --> 0:58:30.440
<v Speaker 1>He's making I mean, you talk about there's gonna be

0:58:30.520 --> 0:58:32.720
<v Speaker 1>some good players cut and that might be your next Yeah,

0:58:32.760 --> 0:58:37.440
<v Speaker 1>that is final question, my best player. Yeah, I mean,

0:58:38.440 --> 0:58:42.680
<v Speaker 1>so he talked about him, Jordan Lewis, Okay, why you

0:58:42.800 --> 0:58:44.760
<v Speaker 1>guys talked about it at the beginning of the show.

0:58:44.840 --> 0:58:47.760
<v Speaker 1>But to me, he's been the one player that literally

0:58:47.840 --> 0:58:50.400
<v Speaker 1>every time I look up, I see twenty seven. Everywhere

0:58:50.440 --> 0:58:53.919
<v Speaker 1>I looked, twenty seven, twenty seven, twenty seven, he's everywhere,

0:58:54.160 --> 0:58:56.560
<v Speaker 1>And I mean there's no way that you cannot not

0:58:56.920 --> 0:58:59.760
<v Speaker 1>notice him on the field. I will happily reiterate that

0:59:00.280 --> 0:59:03.240
<v Speaker 1>I would like to have seen more consistency from Dak

0:59:03.280 --> 0:59:06.600
<v Speaker 1>Prescott out here, But I think you have to give

0:59:06.720 --> 0:59:09.200
<v Speaker 1>some of that credit to how well the dbs have played,

0:59:09.440 --> 0:59:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Like some of that is the secondary being very good.

0:59:12.680 --> 0:59:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Some of it, yep. So who's the odd man out,

0:59:15.000 --> 0:59:18.040
<v Speaker 1>who's the best player at defensive back that's not going

0:59:18.080 --> 0:59:22.280
<v Speaker 1>to make this team. I'm concerned about Cavan, definitely concerned

0:59:22.280 --> 0:59:24.720
<v Speaker 1>about him. And he's a guy that has been playing

0:59:24.800 --> 0:59:27.080
<v Speaker 1>for you and he's a veteran, But I don't know,

0:59:28.040 --> 0:59:31.080
<v Speaker 1>things are not looking that great for him right now. Okay,

0:59:31.320 --> 0:59:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Cavan's a good one and Donovan that would be the

0:59:34.040 --> 0:59:35.720
<v Speaker 1>one I throw out if they don't find a way

0:59:35.720 --> 0:59:37.400
<v Speaker 1>to keep him on this team. I think that's a miss.

0:59:37.480 --> 0:59:39.480
<v Speaker 1>And because I think he is a really good player,

0:59:39.520 --> 0:59:40.800
<v Speaker 1>and I think he's only going to get better and

0:59:40.840 --> 0:59:44.040
<v Speaker 1>you're veteran, your most veteran player who's played the most.

0:59:44.120 --> 0:59:46.680
<v Speaker 1>That won't make it, as I looka right, but I

0:59:46.760 --> 0:59:48.440
<v Speaker 1>think that's I think we've all kind of seen it.

0:59:49.480 --> 0:59:51.040
<v Speaker 1>When he got into camp and he's running with the

0:59:51.120 --> 0:59:53.360
<v Speaker 1>third team, that's not a good sign for it. Would

0:59:53.360 --> 0:59:56.280
<v Speaker 1>you be willing to pull hr various ward with a

0:59:56.400 --> 0:59:59.880
<v Speaker 1>lumba and trade him for something else you might want. Yeah,

1:00:00.200 --> 1:00:02.080
<v Speaker 1>because if I have to cut him and hope and

1:00:02.160 --> 1:00:03.520
<v Speaker 1>hope I can get him on the practice, but I

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<v Speaker 1>probably I wouldn't. The reason why is because right now

1:00:06.480 --> 1:00:09.440
<v Speaker 1>I look at this, I look at him as next year.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. You have to think there are a lot

1:00:11.600 --> 1:00:13.680
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of teams. I don't know about the

1:00:13.800 --> 1:00:16.919
<v Speaker 1>quarterback position for next year. Yeah, I would. I would

1:00:16.960 --> 1:00:18.800
<v Speaker 1>say that's a guy I think is up on the

1:00:19.000 --> 1:00:21.520
<v Speaker 1>on the rise. I think he's it's necessary to keep

1:00:21.600 --> 1:00:23.200
<v Speaker 1>him around. So I don't think. I don't think they

1:00:23.240 --> 1:00:25.200
<v Speaker 1>can afford to let him leave. Can you keep Darien

1:00:25.280 --> 1:00:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Thompson and C J. Goodwin? Because I mean special teams

1:00:30.400 --> 1:00:33.320
<v Speaker 1>that on that that will probably that right there is

1:00:33.360 --> 1:00:35.560
<v Speaker 1>like an indicator of how much sway keith ou. Why

1:00:35.600 --> 1:00:37.920
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't they because Dearien Thompson is the best, He's the

1:00:38.000 --> 1:00:40.760
<v Speaker 1>third best safety you got on this team, right And

1:00:40.960 --> 1:00:44.439
<v Speaker 1>Goodwin is a special teams guy. He's hands down their best,

1:00:44.560 --> 1:00:47.000
<v Speaker 1>hands not even close their best special so right, so

1:00:47.600 --> 1:00:49.560
<v Speaker 1>you're really keeping a third safety that can play some

1:00:49.640 --> 1:00:51.920
<v Speaker 1>special teams and then you're keeping a special team days. Right,

1:00:51.960 --> 1:00:55.480
<v Speaker 1>But so all right Byron and going anywhere Cheeto Jordan

1:00:55.800 --> 1:00:58.920
<v Speaker 1>ab all here assuming nothing crazy, like if they were

1:00:58.920 --> 1:01:00.680
<v Speaker 1>to trade Jordan, but he's been so good, Why the

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<v Speaker 1>hell would they do that? Uh, Mike Jackson just it

1:01:04.320 --> 1:01:08.400
<v Speaker 1>seems No, Mike Jackson, I think is almost a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Is he better than a Loomba? No, I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're gonna let Alumba go and not keep him,

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<v Speaker 1>keep him, you're talking. You're talking about the future here,

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<v Speaker 1>right I am. I'm talking about the future. I still

1:01:19.360 --> 1:01:21.080
<v Speaker 1>lean tour Mike Jackson, and I know he didn't play

1:01:21.120 --> 1:01:23.200
<v Speaker 1>well in San Francisco. Alumba has played better than I

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<v Speaker 1>would take a Loumba. I certainly would take a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a tough one. That that's that's probably where it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna come. Those are gonna be the kind of things

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<v Speaker 1>that you're gonna look for that when they release their

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<v Speaker 1>final cuts, those will be some of the first names

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking for, is what happened? What did they do

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<v Speaker 1>at the cornerback position? Because that's gonna be a tough cut.

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<v Speaker 1>Draft picks have a pretty hefty track record here. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a reason why they kept a Lumbo out around.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they fifth round. They just always seem to

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<v Speaker 1>make it. Yeah right, I mean, am I missing something?

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<v Speaker 1>Fifth round? They cut Ryan Russell a few years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>but that was it and okay, but Marinelli like cussed

1:01:59.080 --> 1:02:03.480
<v Speaker 1>him out everything he was. Yeah, it was amazing how

1:02:03.560 --> 1:02:05.880
<v Speaker 1>mean they were to him. All right, guys, we appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>you joining us. It's been a great show. And then

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<v Speaker 1>we have time for specialists and I think we kind

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<v Speaker 1>of know how that's gonna work. I appreciate you guys

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<v Speaker 1>joining us from out here at Oxnard for these last

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<v Speaker 1>three and a half weeks. We'll be back into at

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<v Speaker 1>the Star next week starting on Monday. Check this with

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<v Speaker 1>figure out the team schedule what our podcast schedule will be.

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<v Speaker 1>Until then. For Nick Eatman, Dave Hellman, Amber Garcia, I

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