1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:02,639 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 2: Breaking news tonight, Sean Puffy Comb's aka Diddy aka p Diddy. 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 2: The world saw the video of you brutally beating, kicking, 4 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 2: and dragging Cassie in a hotel hallway. Then we had 5 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: to listen to your fake apology. Uh. But in the 6 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: last hours we learn a secret grand jury is set 7 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 2: to hear evidence on you, Diddy, as even more violent 8 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 2: sex abuse claims emerge. Oh yeah, Dinny, done good evening. 9 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for 10 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 2: being with us. 11 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 3: Hip hop mogul Sean Comb slammed with two more lawsuits 12 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 3: alleging sexual assault. Now a grand jury may bring Diddy's 13 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 3: accusers to court. Friends speak out against Diddy, detailing a 14 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 3: long history of abuse. 15 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 2: We are learning in the last hours that a grand jury, 16 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: a secret grand jury, is being impaneled to hear more 17 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 2: charges against the music mogul. What does it mean? Nothing 18 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: good for Sean Puffy comes listen. 19 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 4: It's so difficult to reflect on the darkest times in 20 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 4: your life. Sometimes you got to do that. I was, 21 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 4: I mean, I had rock bottom, but I. 22 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 5: Made no excuses. My behavior on that video is inexcusable. 23 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 4: I take full responsibility for my ashes in that video. 24 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 3: It is now confirmed that in New York City grand 25 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 3: jury has been impaneled to hear evidence and witness testimony 26 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 3: for an indictment against Sean Ditty Combs. The Homeland Security 27 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 3: Investigations Agency HSI first revealed their probe into the when 28 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 3: agents raided his homes in Miami and Los Angeles. The 29 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 3: investigation reportedly centers on sex trafficking allegations pulled from several 30 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 3: recent lawsuits, but sources say the scope has now expanded 31 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 3: to include allegations of money laundering and illegal drug trade. 32 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: Did you hear that in that sad sat video he 33 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: put out after the video of him beating Cassie and 34 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 2: dragging her down a hallway came out, he didn't apologize 35 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 2: until then. He says he's had plenty of time. He 36 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: has had time to think about what he's done in 37 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 2: a very dark place. Hey Diddy, you're going to have 38 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: time to think about it behind bars. He also goes 39 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: on to say he's taking full responsibility. Does that mean 40 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: he's going to plead guilty and save us all the 41 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: pain of a jury trial? I doubt that. Joining me 42 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 2: in Elstar panel makes sense of what we know right now. 43 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 2: Lauren Colin joining me, investigative journalists and star of the 44 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: outlier podcast Lawn. You've been on the case since we 45 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: first learned about that raid on Cos's two homes simultaneously 46 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 2: on two sides of the country. We now learn about 47 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: a grand jury being empaneled. What do you know? 48 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 6: Okay, So this is very good news, and I'm actually 49 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 6: surprised at how quickly this all came together. But what 50 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 6: we know right now is that the defendants are being 51 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 6: prepped to go in front of a grand jury. There 52 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 6: are not potential witnesses being prepped for testimony yet, because 53 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 6: investigators and HSI are taking their time to ensure that 54 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 6: this is one bulletproof case. 55 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: Nancy, Oh, I've heard that phrase before. 56 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 7: Listen As HSI prepares for the looming grand jury hearings, 57 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 7: sources say they are still working to make sure an 58 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 7: indictment would be bulletproof. Agents are reportedly in possession of 59 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 7: tapes from inside Diddy's home and contacting the people on them. 60 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 7: Witnesses have also received no is that they may be 61 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 7: called to testify. Some of those witnesses may be direct 62 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 7: Diddy accusers, anyone called will likely go through rigorous preparations 63 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 7: with prosecutors before facing the grand jury. 64 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 2: Not defendants coming before a grand jury, victims and witnesses 65 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 2: will be coming before a secret grand jury. Joining me 66 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: as I said an all star panel. But I want 67 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: to go out to former federal prosecutor, president of West 68 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: Coast Trial Lawyers, and author of Harvard to hashtag I 69 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: don't know what that is, but let me put Harvard 70 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: out of your mind and put ditty in your mind 71 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 2: right now. Nima Romani, Nima, let's talk about federal grand 72 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: juries or grand juries in general. We keep hearing the 73 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 2: phrase bulletproof indictment. I wouldn't go that overboard because for 74 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 2: an indictment to be true build in other words, for 75 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 2: a graduator hand down and a indictment. A grand jury 76 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 2: is typically made up of twenty to forty ish registered 77 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 2: voters in that jurisdiction or property owners in that jurisdiction. 78 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 2: That's how they find them. The key to that is 79 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 2: in the right jurisdiction, and they hear a handful of witnesses, 80 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 2: typically sometimes even one which could be a lead detective 81 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 2: that could sum up all the evidence in all the 82 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 2: victims for the grand jury, they ask that the witness questions. 83 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 2: The witness, of course, is under oath. Then the witness 84 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 2: leaves the room and the grand jury meets, and you 85 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 2: hear a buzzer. The DA goes back in and you 86 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 2: find out whether there's a no bill in other words, 87 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 2: no charges, or a true bill an indictment. It's not 88 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 2: rocket science, it's not, Nancy. 89 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 8: Let me tell you how it typically works and why 90 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 8: it's different in the d d KS. And like you said, 91 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 8: usually in the federal system you have twenty three or 92 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 8: more grand jurists. You're just in that slight majority twelve 93 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 8: and a true bill, and you normally don't put your 94 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 8: victim witnesses before the grand jury. You bring one of 95 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 8: your law enforcement witnesses, heresay evidence comes in, he or 96 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 8: she describes the case to the grand jurors, and usually 97 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 8: within a matter of minutes, you get that true bill. 98 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 8: So why are things different in this case and why 99 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 8: is there a delay? 100 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 2: Things are moving. 101 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 8: A lot slower than everyone, including myself anticipated. His homes 102 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 8: were rated months ago. Well, we know that Diddy is 103 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 8: not going to take any type of deal, nor will 104 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 8: one be offered him. We're talking about federal sex draffing 105 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 8: with minimums nancy of ten to fifteen years in federal prison. 106 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 8: If and when did he's convicted, He's going to die 107 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 8: in prison. 108 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 2: Am I supposed to be sad about a long deal 109 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: sentence because I'm not. Look for all of his money 110 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 2: and his diamond jewelry and his big cars and meat 111 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 2: coats and blah, the blaw, the blaw, same thing. He's 112 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 2: a bully. I believe the victims in this case. And 113 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 2: if I'm wrong, Diddy, you've been invited on to correct me. 114 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: But uh oh, you're an O show. I believe them, 115 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 2: not him, because really, you think all of these victims 116 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: got together, victims separated in time and space, and came 117 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: up with generally the same story. It's Bill Cosby all 118 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 2: over again. Same thing. They're all saying the same thing. 119 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 2: Same thing with Weinstein, right, same thing with Epstein and 120 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 2: Jelane Maxwell. All of these victims are saying the same thing. 121 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 2: How is that possible since they don't know each other. 122 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 2: So the fact that this guy, if the victims are 123 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 2: to be believed, raped, sex assaulted and beat women, you 124 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: think I care if he sits in a jail cell 125 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: for fifteen twenty years because I don't Ramani don't care. 126 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 8: Man, I don't either. But if you're a federal prosecutor 127 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 8: and you know your case is going to go to trial, 128 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 8: you have to prepare for all possibilities. And let me 129 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 8: tell you what a real possibility is if you have 130 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 8: a defendant who's worth over a billion dollars, that he 131 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 8: will pay off these victims to have them not show 132 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 8: up at trial. So normally you don't grand durate your victims. 133 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: Why don't you do that. 134 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 8: You create testimony that has to be disclosed to the defense. 135 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 8: It may be inconsistent with their testimony at trial, but 136 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 8: you're grand during them in a case like this because 137 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 8: you want to lock them in because you have to 138 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 8: prepare for the possibility that they might go sideways at trial. 139 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 8: That's what the Feds of the US Attorney's Office are 140 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 8: trying to do. 141 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 2: You just got my attention, and not in a good 142 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: way when you said he could pay off of witnesses. 143 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 2: And you know another bullet for the state. That lawyer, 144 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 2: I mean, Benjamin Brosman, that guy don't play. That guy 145 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: goes into the courtroom. He is like a shark. He 146 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 2: eats up every state's witness digests them without blinking, and 147 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: he is working at for Diddy. Brafman is no joke 148 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 2: in a courtroom. Another thing, What do we know about 149 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 2: potential witnesses? And I agree with Nima Romani on this. 150 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 2: You don't put your victims up at the grand jury, 151 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 2: no what, because later on you may and in this 152 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 2: case will because Braflin will see to it that he 153 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 2: gets it, get that grand jury testimony. And if there's 154 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 2: any inconsistency at all, it could be dre white wine 155 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 2: that night versus I had a margarita. It could be 156 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 2: any inconsistency at all. Brafman will tear those victims to shred, 157 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 2: okay shreds. What do we know about the new victims 158 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 2: At this hour as we are on air, new victims 159 00:09:55,480 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 2: are being ferreted out, claiming violent, violent beatings and sex 160 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 2: abuse at the hands of Sean Puffy Combs listen. 161 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 9: In the eighth lawsuit against Sean Combe's, model Crystal McKinney 162 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 9: claims did he promises to help her career. After they 163 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 9: meet at a Men's Fashion Week event in Manhattan. Comb's 164 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 9: leader invites McKinney to his studio, where he encourages the 165 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 9: model to drink and smoke marijuana, which McKinney now believes 166 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 9: was leasd with narcotics. Once McKinney was plied, she claims 167 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 9: Combs led her to a bathroom and forced her to 168 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 9: perform a sex act. The next thing she remembers is 169 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 9: waking up in a taxi and realizing she had been 170 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 9: sexually assaulted. McKinney saves the clothes she was wearing that 171 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 9: evening in a plastic bag. 172 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 2: Monica Lewinsky, does that name ring a bell to anybody 173 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 2: joining me an all star panel? But I want to 174 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 2: go to Scott Johnson, forensic psychologist specializing and addressing sex 175 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 2: predators at Forensicconsultation dot Org. He's even written multiple books, 176 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 2: I'm Being Physical Abusers and Sex Offenders, Forensic Consideration and Strategies, 177 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 2: and When I Love You Turns Violent? Okay, Scott Johnson. 178 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 2: The only thing setting Sean Puffy Combs apart from all 179 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: the other guys behind bars for rape and abuse is 180 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 2: he's got money and notoriety and legions of fans. It's 181 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 2: the only thing that makes him different from the others. 182 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 2: But I want to ask you, because a lot of 183 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 2: people are going to attack this victim. I hate when 184 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 2: that happens because she saved biological evidence. If you could 185 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: see me, you would see I was doing air quotes 186 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: on biological evidence. That means sperm. I think that's what 187 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 2: it means, because you remember when Monica Lewinsky kept the 188 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 2: wasn't it a blue dress? And I had Bill Clinton? 189 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 2: And I'm not getting into politics. I don't care Bill 190 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 2: Clinton's sperm on her blue dress? So he had to go, 191 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 2: oh yeah, I do recall something about her. Now, yeah, 192 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 2: the intern, Okay, she was attacked because she kept the dress. 193 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 2: I think the same thing's going to happen here. She's 194 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 2: going to be assailed, assaulted, attacked because she kept the 195 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 2: biological edicus sperm of Sean Peffey comes. People are going 196 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 2: to argue, oh, you did that just to get a payday, 197 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: that's all you want to Who cares if she wants money, 198 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 2: That doesn't change the fact that she was assaulted. 199 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 10: Right And you know if someone wanted a payday, they 200 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 10: would do it right away, not years later. So when 201 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 10: people are terrified, they've been victimized, they've been raped, they've 202 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 10: been threatened, and they fear for their safety and their 203 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 10: sanity is feeling anything but sane. Right, they keep things, 204 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 10: and so it was a smart thing to do on 205 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 10: behalf of the victim. But people will blame thinking, oh, yes, 206 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 10: you were there to set him up. But again, people 207 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 10: who set someone up typically come right out right away 208 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 10: with that evidence. 209 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 2: You're so right, you are so right. Now, as multiple 210 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 2: alleged victims come forward, this one with we think Diddy's 211 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 2: sperm on her dress, that's quite the momento. It's not 212 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 2: like you're saving theater tickets or an old carsage. She's 213 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 2: got sperm on a dress. We think that said, it's 214 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 2: going to be hard to discredit her because she's got 215 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 2: physical evidence. What about the others? And now we are 216 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 2: learning that allegations of Combs's physical abuse and sex abuse 217 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 2: go all the way back to college. Yeah, I'm gonna 218 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 2: get to that. But what does Sean Diddy Combs have 219 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 2: to say to these allegations. Listen, I'm disgusted. 220 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 4: I was disgusted then when I did it, I'm disgusting 221 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 4: now and went and I sought out professional help God 222 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 4: to go into therapy. 223 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:10,599 Speaker 11: I'm going to rehad. 224 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 4: Had asked God for his mercy and grace. I'm so sorry, 225 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 4: but I'm committed to be a better managent every day. 226 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 4: I'm not asking for forgiveness. 227 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 5: I'm truly sorry. 228 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 9: Crystal McKinney alleges Combs forced her to drink. 229 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: Alcohol and smoke lace. 230 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: Drugs before sexually assaulting her. 231 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 9: McKinney saved decades old evidence in a bag with the 232 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 9: hopes of bringing the rap star and music powerhouse to justice. 233 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 2: And it's not just her, there are others. Listen. 234 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 12: April Lampros is the eighth accuser to file suit against 235 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 12: rapper Sean Diddy Combs. Lampros meets Combs while studying at 236 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 12: the Fashion Institute of Technology in New York City, and 237 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 12: Combs offers to help her find work and introduce her 238 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 12: to connections in the industry. Lampros details for terrifying forcible 239 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 12: sexual encounters with Combs over five years. The most horrific 240 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 12: allegations purporting that Combs forces Lampros to take ecstasy and 241 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 12: have sex with his then girlfriend Kim Porter, before raping 242 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 12: Lampros himself. 243 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 2: It just gets source and worse. I'm just thinking about 244 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 2: all the rape victims that I've represented and what they 245 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 2: endured during the rape, of all the beating, strangulations victims 246 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 2: I've represented in court what they endure not only in 247 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 2: the moment of the attack, but for the rest of 248 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 2: their lives. They're really never the same same. Joining me 249 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: is Shannon Hinn, President, founder of Surviving Assault, Standing Strong. Shannon. 250 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 2: While it's one thing to talk about Ditti's fur coats 251 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 2: and his rolls royces, and his diamond jewelry and all 252 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 2: of his money. I think he's estimated to have close 253 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 2: to a billion with a b Is and Brother dollars. 254 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 2: When I think back on all the rape victims I 255 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 2: represented in court, I can't even count them all, and 256 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 2: all the women I worked with at night at the 257 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 2: Battered Women's Center, it's very sobering, Shannon Henry, because their 258 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 2: lives will never be the same. 259 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 11: You're right, their lives will never be the same. 260 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 13: From the nightmares, to the sleepless nights, to the anxiety 261 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 13: and fear and the memories that they have in those flashbacks. 262 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 13: Their lives are never the same. And so they're left 263 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 13: navigating all of this, getting the help that they need 264 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 13: and the support that they need. And when we look 265 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 13: at Diddy, he really does have an eye problem. In 266 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 13: his apology, which is so empty. He's saying things like 267 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 13: I'm disgusted. I sought help, I had to ask for 268 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,719 Speaker 13: God's forgiveness. But what he didn't have to say was 269 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 13: Cassie's name, to apologize to all of the victims that 270 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 13: he's hurt, and he did not do that. So as 271 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 13: we move forward and we see this ground swell of 272 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 13: support coming for these survivors, I'm just excited that they 273 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 13: finally feel like people believe them and they have the 274 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 13: support that they need to move forward because this is 275 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 13: going to be a slog it truly is, but they are. 276 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 11: In it to end his reign of terr. 277 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 2: You know, so perfectly put Shannon Henry, I'm not a shrink. 278 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 2: I'm going to have to go to Scott Johnson on this. 279 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 2: But again, Shannon, one thing I'm having a hard time 280 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: verbalizing it that I saw in every rape or soughtomy victim, 281 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 2: and I saw it also in child abuse molestation victims, 282 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 2: even adult victims of child abuse, is a lingering, never 283 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 2: to go away sense of powerlessness, helplessness, I guess left 284 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 2: over from the rape when you can't fight back and 285 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 2: you're just getting raped or beaten. Some of the victims 286 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 2: described to me more than one. So I don't think 287 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 2: it's just a single phenomena, as feeling that they had 288 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 2: actually left their body and were looking down as the 289 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 2: rape occurred. They were so helpless that in their minds 290 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 2: they actually left their body wearing the rape or sawtomy, 291 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 2: whichever it was. It was that traumatic and through life, 292 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 2: the rest of their life, they have flashbacks and nausea, 293 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:18,719 Speaker 2: dizzy spells, and they remember that feeling of helplessness. It 294 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 2: never goes away. Shamn. It's true. 295 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 13: And you know that's a biological response to fear. It's 296 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 13: something that actually happens in our bodies through our brain. 297 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 11: It's an entire process. 298 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 13: And when they're looking away, they are focusing on solutions. 299 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 13: A lot of survivors will say, I kept seeing the 300 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 13: door handle. I can't describe what his shirt looked like, 301 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 13: but I can tell you what the door handle looked like, 302 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 13: And that's because they were trying to find ways to 303 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 13: escape in that moment, sadly, and so as this ground 304 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 13: swallow support comes about throughout the country and as other 305 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 13: survivors come forward, there is hope in the fact that 306 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 13: they are a control back. 307 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 11: They are flipping the script. 308 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 13: On Ditty and they are now the ones speaking up 309 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 13: and managing the way that people see the story, understand 310 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 13: the story and what happened to these women. My sincere 311 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 13: hope is that when it comes time for them to 312 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 13: speak up in that courtroom, that they will have been 313 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 13: prepared in the best way possible to feel like they're 314 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 13: in control. They know where he's going to sit, they 315 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 13: understand the layout of the room, and a good attorney 316 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 13: will do that with them. 317 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, they got to know everything shedding, You're right, They've 318 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 2: got to know what's going to happen on direct and 319 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 2: maybe more importantly, what is going to happen on cross 320 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 2: exam a searing shredding cross example. 321 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. 322 00:20:55,119 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 2: Scott Johnson with me. For physic psychologists specializing and addressing 323 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:07,239 Speaker 2: sex predators, what is that feeling when you become in 324 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 2: the middle of a sex attack, disembodied and you actually 325 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 2: feel you can look down and see the rapist from 326 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 2: a different part of the room, or as Shannon Henry described, 327 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 2: focusing on the door handle instead of what's happening to your. 328 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 14: Body, Right, it's just total survival mode, or to just 329 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 14: not feel for a moment, what's happening because you're powerless 330 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 14: over that, but you're not powerless over observation and perhaps 331 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 14: putting yourself somewhere else in your brain. 332 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 2: Putting yourself somewhere outside your brain. Robert Crispin is joining me. 333 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 2: I want to follow up with you, Crispin, based on 334 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 2: what Shannon and Scott have just told us. Robert guys 335 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 2: private investigator, but in my mind more important today former 336 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 2: federal Task Force for the US Department of Justice with 337 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 2: a DA Miami Fuel Division Homicide and Crimes against Women 338 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 2: and Children investigator. Never like a business in Miami Dade, 339 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 2: I might say now at Crispin Special Investigations, Robert can 340 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 2: I actually makes me feel nauseous right now in this 341 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 2: studio when I am hearing Shannon talk and hearing Scott 342 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 2: Johnson talk about these ladies and what they went through 343 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 2: and what they are still endearing to this day, and 344 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 2: I think about all the rape victims and molestation victims 345 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 2: I've dealt with, and I have to stop for just 346 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 2: a moment. I got to think about something else because 347 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 2: I'm feeling literally sick to my stomach about it. Let's 348 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 2: talk about how we're gonna get in how well. 349 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 5: I mean, this is pretty easy. There's a reason that 350 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 5: the government is putting these victims in front of the 351 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 5: grand jury. Rest assured that the investigators and the agents 352 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 5: spent hours and hours with all these victims, and they 353 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 5: feel very confident that they have a common theme, that 354 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 5: they're solid, and that they're going to be some type 355 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 5: of Obviously on a cross there's always an issue, but 356 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,719 Speaker 5: they're pretty much going to be bulletproof because all these victims, 357 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 5: who don't know each other rest to share. 358 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 2: I'm sure that they told. 359 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 5: The exact same story, the exact same If you want 360 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 5: to say modus operator about how Didty operates when he 361 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 5: gets his victims drunk, drugs him and then sexually assaults 362 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 5: them violently. That is extremely traumatic. These victims are going 363 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 5: to carry this for a lifetime. 364 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 15: April lamp Posts was only a student when she alleges 365 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 15: did he force her into terrifying sexual encounters using his 366 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 15: power to promise her connections and work in the industry. 367 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 15: Lamp Posts was allegedly forced to have sex with Ditty's 368 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 15: then girlfriend Kim Porter while on X to see Wow. 369 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 2: It just keeps on happening, And remember that video of 370 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 2: him dragging Cassie up and down the hotel hallway, baiting her, 371 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 2: kicking her, throwing this big, expensive glass vase at her. Okay, 372 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 2: then we've seen all of his apologies apologies. Well, apparently 373 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 2: that's all for show, because sources now reveal that Combs 374 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 2: is saying Cassie's tape is one sided. Listen. 375 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 7: Sean Combs publicly apologizes and accepts responsibility for his actions 376 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 7: in the twenty sixteen video of him attacking girlfriend Cassie Ventira, 377 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 7: but privately did He has commented that the video quote 378 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 7: doesn't tell the full story about what happened. Combs calls 379 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 7: the video quote selected and one sided, adding that its 380 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 7: release is part of an agenda to destroy his reputation. 381 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 2: I would say I'm surprised because I feel shocked that 382 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 2: he's such an idiot. But is this correct? Lauren Colin 383 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 2: joining me start of the Outlier podcast, Lauren, So he 384 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 2: makes all these public apologies, God have mercy on me 385 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 2: in all of his other Bs technical legal term, when 386 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 2: in his own camp, he's saying the video that emerged 387 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 2: is quote one sided, doesn't tell the quote whole story, 388 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 2: and is quote selective and part of some vast conspiracy 389 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 2: to get Diddy, Get Diddy. I hadny thought about Diddy 390 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 2: until I saw that video. Now I'm thinking about Diddy. 391 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 2: Nobody's part of a conspiracy. That's just like Simpson claiming 392 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 2: the LAPD had a big conspiracy to get a famous 393 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 2: football star they all loved. He is actually saying amongst 394 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 2: his own camp that the video was part of a conspiracy. 395 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 2: There's more to it, what more beating in the hotel 396 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 2: room exactly. 397 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 6: I mean, he is such a rodent, and I just 398 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 6: want to go back to his post on Instagram when 399 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 6: he wrote time tells truth total bs. Like you said, 400 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 6: let me go back and give you some context as 401 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 6: to what that video was. Cassie detailed in her lawsuit 402 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 6: she left the hotel because Diddy just gave her a 403 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 6: black eye after forcing her to do what he called 404 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 6: a freak off, which is when she was forced to 405 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 6: have sex with sex workers. He would film it, he 406 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 6: would tell her what to do in his drunken stupor, 407 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 6: he punched her, she escaped, and that was the video 408 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 6: that we saw. I mean, I'm so disgusted, Nancy, I 409 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 6: am so sick of this. I just the day cannot 410 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 6: come soon enough for these women to get justice. 411 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 2: Of course, let me just stress Sean Puffy Comes aka 412 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 2: Diddy aka Ditty has not yet been indided, he has 413 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 2: not been tried, and he will be able to exercise 414 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 2: all of his constitutional rights at trial, and I can 415 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 2: assure you defense attorney Ben Brofman will make sure that 416 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 2: he takes advantage of every constitutional protection. Okay. That said, 417 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 2: while Sean Puffy Combs is whining, Andrew arnfrayers that the 418 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 2: beating tape of Cassie Vanteriro being dragged up and down 419 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 2: the hallway is one sided. She and the others we've 420 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 2: mentioned are not the only ones coming forward. Listen. 421 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 12: Three of the women accusing Diddy of heinous sex crimes 422 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 12: and lawsuits have spoken about their allegations publicly for the 423 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 12: first time. Dickerson Neil says for her, it's not about 424 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 12: the money, but revealing the icon's disgusting, unpunished behavior. Model 425 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 12: Crystal McKinney says she felt like she was dying every 426 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 12: day she did not come forward. The third woman who 427 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 12: remained anonymous, agreed that it was incredibly difficult to tell 428 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 12: her story publicly, but once Comb's and all those who 429 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 12: acted with him were stood by to also be held accountable. 430 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 2: We are also learning in the last hours that reportedly 431 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 2: a male sex worker is believed to have been a 432 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 2: witness against Diddy. Sean Puffy Combs aka Diddy to face 433 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 2: a grand jury charge as FEDS are contacting accusers to 434 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 2: testify against him, including a male sex worker. Lauren Conlin, 435 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 2: I don't believe you mentioned that at the beginning of 436 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 2: our program. 437 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,719 Speaker 6: Well, look, there's a lot of people that are contacting 438 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 6: because they are still going through the footage that they 439 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 6: got from his Miami and La Holmes. And what HSI 440 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 6: is doing is they are picking out who are in 441 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 6: these videos and they are contacting them. So this is 442 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 6: still a work in process. 443 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 2: Nancy, Okay, again a quote bulletproof indictment to Nima Romani, 444 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 2: very renowned former federal prosecutor, president West Coast trial lawyers, 445 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 2: and author. Nima, got to be careful regarding who you call, 446 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 2: because some jurors will judge a witness based on their reputation. Now, 447 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 2: my approach to jury trials is to bring every single witness. 448 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 2: I don't care if there are a none, a priest, 449 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 2: a virgin, or a sex worker. Don't care. Tell your 450 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 2: jury ahead of time what you're doing and why. But 451 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 2: I don't consider a sex worker's testimony any less important 452 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 2: than I would, as I said, ann a priest or 453 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 2: a virgin. What do you think about this latest twist 454 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 2: that one of the alleged witnesses against Combs is a 455 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 2: male sex worker. 456 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 8: I agree with you, Nancy's sex worker is going to 457 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 8: be sexually assaulted too, But the reality is some jurors 458 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 8: will view them differently. So what you want to do 459 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 8: is corroborate their testimony. In any case like this where 460 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 8: the victims didn't come forward immediately, where there's an allegation 461 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 8: that this is a money grab or a payday because 462 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 8: they file their civil lawsuits before going to law enforcement, 463 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 8: at least reportedly, what you want to do is corroborate 464 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 8: their testimony. And juris might not believe the testimony of 465 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 8: one victim, especially when you're talking about a criminal case 466 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,479 Speaker 8: involving reasonable doubt, but it's going to be hard for 467 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 8: them to disbelieve the testimony of the seven or more 468 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 8: victims that are file lawsuits in this case, and the 469 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 8: twelve or more that are reportedly testifying before the grand jury. 470 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 3: Hip hop Mogul Sean Combs slammed with two more lawsuits 471 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 3: alleging sexual assault. Now a grand jury may bring Ditty's 472 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 3: accusers to court. Friends co workers speak out against Ditty, 473 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 3: detailing a long history of abuse. 474 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 2: At this point, we are learning that former friends and 475 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 2: co workers are jumping on the bandwagon. One of the 476 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 2: defense attacks on these former friends and co workers is 477 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 2: why now? Why didn't we say anything before? Now? Listen? 478 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 9: Bad Boy Records co founding partner describes tearing Comb's off 479 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 9: a woman in the label's office when they hear screams 480 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,959 Speaker 9: and glass shattering. Comb's attacks. Music execs Shakir Stewart breaking 481 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 9: a chair over his head for going on a few 482 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 9: dates with his ex. Kim Porter, a graphic designer, says 483 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 9: Combe solicited her for sex while she was on his payroll. 484 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 9: In a personal chef Sue's Combs for sexual harassment in 485 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 9: twenty seventeen. Model Gina Hunn says Combs beat her during 486 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 9: their four year relationship, and her twenty nineteen public claims 487 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 9: were ignored. 488 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Greece. 489 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 2: Joining me in alstar panel, but now to Robert Crispin, 490 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 2: private investigator formerly with crimes against children and women. Crispin 491 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 2: if this is true, And again, all of these matters 492 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 2: that we are discussing are allegations. They have not been 493 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 2: proven in a court of law. Why did he may 494 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 2: have paid Cassie ventiup millions of dollars in a settlement. Hey, 495 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 2: maybe he's innocent and he can explain all that to 496 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 2: a jury that said, the claims of a male sex 497 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 2: worker as a witness in this case, we're waiting. Those 498 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 2: are allegations right now. But query Robert Crispin. If you 499 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 2: would beat someone and shattered glass, the woman is screaming 500 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 2: so loudly, other people come running in a recording studio 501 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 2: that's in public. Well, it's like going over to target 502 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 2: and meeting someone and trying to rape somebody right there. 503 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 2: If you would do that with people around, what would 504 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 2: you do behind closed doors? Crispin? 505 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 5: Pretty scary, right, You do a lot more than that. 506 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 5: And the other issue is all these people who witness this, 507 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 5: they never came forward because they're in Ditty's world and 508 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 5: they want to stay in Ditty's world, and he's an 509 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 5: icon and I didn't see that. 510 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 2: What I didn't see that? 511 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 5: So behind closed doors it gets worse, and I think 512 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 5: you're going to find that there's a lot of videos 513 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 5: that are going to start coming out. They're going to 514 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 5: justify a lot of these actions. And that's why this 515 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 5: is taking so long. As I said, way in the 516 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 5: beginning of this, when everyone was rushing to say he's 517 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 5: getting indicted tomorrow, no way. 518 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 11: I've done these cases. 519 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 5: I've been in front of your injuries. Every single one 520 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 5: of these witnesses has to be interviewed at length. Their 521 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 5: credibility has to be judged by the investigators or the agents, 522 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,760 Speaker 5: and then systematically they're taking these people into grand jury 523 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 5: and they're laying their case out. There's no hurry here. 524 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 5: They have what they need. Now they need to put 525 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 5: that bulletproof case together. 526 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,439 Speaker 2: Scot Johnson forensic psychologists. Of these witnesses that we're hearing about, 527 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 2: including his former friends and coworkers at Bad Boy Records, 528 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,800 Speaker 2: they're going to be attacked because they didn't say anything 529 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 2: at the time. They heard that glass smashing and that 530 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,839 Speaker 2: woman screaming, and you know, his little group around him 531 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 2: have seen a lot more than that one incident. It's 532 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,760 Speaker 2: like a roach. You see one, there's one hundred more 533 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 2: hiding in the cabinet. You think that's the only time 534 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 2: he beat somebody. So these witnesses are going to be 535 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 2: attacked by Brafman and probably a whole fleet of IPAID 536 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 2: attorneys for Sean Puffy Combs about why they didn't come 537 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 2: forward at the time. Why didn't they? 538 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 10: Well, right, but that's common. Most victims don't come forward, 539 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 10: or if they do, it's sometime after a crime. And 540 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 10: especially if you're living in his world, as they're saying, 541 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 10: you have to fear for your safety, your reputation, your career, 542 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 10: not to mention what others are going to say if 543 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 10: Diddy decides to diss you, which he does. So there's 544 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 10: violence to worry about. There's everything to worry about. And 545 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 10: someone I thought said in the hip hop world that 546 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 10: this has been our open secret for years. Well right, 547 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 10: everybody just kept letting it happen because they're afraid of him. 548 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody said that after r Kelly and Weinstein and Epstein, 549 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,759 Speaker 2: did it really change anything. I don't know about that. 550 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 2: I have to go on a case by case basis. 551 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 2: But to you, Shannon Henry, president and founder a Surviving 552 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 2: Assault Standing Strong joining us, if you think about these 553 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 2: witnesses that did not come forward at the time, or 554 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 2: call nine to one one. It's no different than from 555 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 2: the batter women and you and I deal with every 556 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 2: single day. They stay in it, and it's the phenomenon. 557 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 2: And you have to understand the cycle of battering to 558 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 2: understand why they stay. I know it up here, I 559 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 2: still don't really understand it in my heart. Why would 560 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 2: you stay with someone that beats you and nearly kills 561 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 2: you on a routine basis much less what it does 562 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 2: to your children to see that. But they don't come forward. 563 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 2: They're afraid, they're financially dependent. In some cases, they don't 564 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 2: want their families to find out that their marriage or 565 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 2: their relationship is busted. And why for a lot of 566 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 2: different reasons. And I don't mean uneducated women. I mean 567 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 2: women with PhDs and great jobs and maybe even the 568 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 2: main breadwinner in the home don't come forward. It happens 569 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:48,720 Speaker 2: all the time. 570 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 11: It does happen all the time. 571 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 13: And I think you know, just like you said, there's 572 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 13: a myriad of reasons why it happens. Financially children, they're 573 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 13: afraid to lead, And I go back to what I 574 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 13: said the last time. 575 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:03,919 Speaker 11: They also love them. 576 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,320 Speaker 13: Their definition of love may be different from the person 577 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 13: that they're with. 578 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 11: But they love them at some level, and. 579 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 13: There's always this hope that something will change, they'll get better. 580 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 13: If they just love them enough, maybe they'll change, And 581 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,359 Speaker 13: maybe I'm the one that can do it. But in 582 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 13: the end, eighty six percent of women do not come 583 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 13: forward to share what's going on and try to casually 584 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,319 Speaker 13: go away safely and deal with it on their own. 585 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 13: But as you said earlier, that's a lifetime of trauma 586 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 13: to deal with. 587 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:35,320 Speaker 11: And what we're. 588 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 13: Seeing and what I hope that these attorneys do is 589 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,280 Speaker 13: they piece together Diddy's playbook and they open Pandora's box 590 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 13: and that justice will He will feel the staying of justice, 591 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 13: if not here on earth, there is a justice system 592 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 13: that he cannot outrun. 593 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 2: I don't want to wait so we're all dead in heaven, 594 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,399 Speaker 2: God willing I make it to heaven. No, I want 595 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 2: justice in the here and now. So Nima Ramani, former 596 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 2: Federal prosecutor, President West Coast Trial Lawyers, on and on 597 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 2: and on and on with his accolades, Nima, how do 598 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 2: I get justice now? I don't want to wait till 599 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 2: we all die and hopefully go to heaven. I want 600 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 2: justice now for these victims. So how do you deal 601 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,839 Speaker 2: in a nutshell, Nima. I know you could write an 602 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 2: entire law review article on it, but how do you 603 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 2: deal with witnesses that did not come forward at the time. 604 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 8: Well, you're going to corroborate it, right, and you have 605 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 8: that video evidence. 606 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 2: Did He can lie? 607 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 8: His lawyers can lie. Let's not forget when Cassie first 608 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,359 Speaker 8: filed out lawsuit in November, did these lawyers come out 609 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 8: and said these are baseless and outrageous lies. But the 610 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 8: good thing for the prosecution and the terrible thing for 611 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 8: did You, is that there's going to be a lot 612 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 8: of video evidence here. So once the victims are grand jury, 613 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,840 Speaker 8: you put them one after another. What we're going to 614 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 8: do as former prosecutors, Nancy, you and I and what 615 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 8: the prosecutors in the Southern District of New Yorker going 616 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 8: to do or the best in the business. They're going 617 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,320 Speaker 8: to unseal a Rico indictment and they're going to follow 618 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 8: the R. Kelly model. We're talking about Weinstein, Epstein, Cosby. 619 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 8: But I think that's going to be the most analogous case. 620 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 8: That way, you get all the reco predicate acts and 621 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 8: relevant conduct, some of it which even falls outside the 622 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 8: statue of Limitaians. You can bring that in like that 623 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,319 Speaker 8: horrible beating that took place here in Los Angeles, less 624 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,759 Speaker 8: than a mile away from where I'm sitting. That's how 625 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:29,760 Speaker 8: you get Diddy Nancy. 626 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:37,240 Speaker 16: Countless allegations and eight lawsuits later, Diddy's reign comes crumbling down. 627 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,800 Speaker 16: Heloton and a leading eyewear retailers say bye bye to Ditty. 628 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:52,280 Speaker 2: Does the alleged abusive behavior from megastarr Sean Puffy aka 629 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 2: Diddy comes date all the way back to college? Listen. 630 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 3: Students at Howard University in the late eighties recall business 631 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:06,360 Speaker 3: major Sean Puff Combs standing outside his girlfriend's dorm, screaming 632 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,719 Speaker 3: for her to come down. Students watch as the girl 633 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 3: approaches Combs and raise the alarm when he becomes violent, 634 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 3: saying Puff is out here acting crazy. He's beating her. 635 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 3: Bystanders scream for Combs to get off of her as 636 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 3: he hits his girlfriend with a belt several times. The 637 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,240 Speaker 3: woman Combs reportedly attacked. His decline to comment on the incident, 638 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 3: but the witnesses clearly remember how Comb's quote whooped her but. 639 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:34,919 Speaker 2: Quote whipped her but out in the open. Now does 640 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 2: it matter to me if it's an open or behind 641 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 2: closed doors? Noe, it does not, but I can tell 642 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 2: you it's like the camel's nose in the tent. His 643 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,719 Speaker 2: tail will surely follow. If he's willing to beat a 644 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 2: co ed out and public with a belt buckle, beating 645 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 2: her all over her body, not just several times, I 646 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 2: mean beating her with a belt buckle and public, what 647 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 2: does he do behind closed doors? And thanks to Fiddy, 648 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 2: even more victims are set to come forward. 649 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,319 Speaker 7: Listen rapper fifty Cent, who has been outspoken in his 650 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 7: criticism of Diddy since the HSI raids on Combe's homes, 651 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 7: has recently sold the rights to his multi part documentary 652 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 7: on the Mogul's downfall to Netflix. Fans have dubbed the 653 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,680 Speaker 7: untitled series Diddy Do It. Fifty Cent took to Instagram 654 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,719 Speaker 7: to celebrate the sale, saying he may need to add 655 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 7: more episodes if more victims continue to come forward. 656 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 2: As more videos of Sempa he comes set to come forward, 657 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:47,800 Speaker 2: allegedly of him beating and abusing women, and one drug 658 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 2: mule connected to Diddy taking a guilty plea what in 659 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 2: exchange for testimony? We wait as just as unfolds, But 660 00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 2: now we stop and we remember American hero Jacques Rigeau, 661 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 2: Junior of Walker Township, Pennsylvania. Ragau shot and killed in 662 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 2: the line of duty. He survived by a grieving wife Chloe, 663 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 2: sister and brother Christina, and Justin his two doggies, Winnie 664 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:26,279 Speaker 2: and Charlie. American hero Trooper Jacques Rujau. Thank you to 665 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 2: all of our incredible guests bringing all of their expertise, 666 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:36,759 Speaker 2: their knowledge, their education to you tonight, but especially thank 667 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,399 Speaker 2: you to you for being with us tonight and every 668 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 2: night as we continue to champion crime victims and seek justice. 669 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 2: Nancy Gray signing off, good night friend,