WEBVTT - How Fungi Could Save the World! 0:00:01.320 --> 0:00:04.720 Really now, really. 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:11.160 Really now, really Hello, and welcome to Really No Really 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:13.880 with Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden, who guarantee that if 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:16.599 you subscribe to our show, people will automatically think of 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:19.120 you as a fun guy. And speaking of fung Guy, 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:22.040 there's an entire world just below our feet that defies 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:26.680 our conventional understanding of intelligence, a super highway of fungal interconnection, 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:30.280 a network that extends for trillions of miles and that 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:34.480 enables trees to recognize their families, communicate. 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:37.720 With each other, and even share resources. Really No Really. 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:41.680 In this episode, Jason and Peter are joined by Louis Schwarzburg, 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:46.320 director of the beautiful twenty nineteen documentary film Fantastic fung Guy. 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:49.640 They talk about the amazing world of funguy and mushrooms 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:53.240 and their awe inspiring power to heal, protect, and transform 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:56.560 our world. And now here are your two favorite fun guys, 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:57.440 Jason and Peter. 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:04.120 So I feel bad because we're starting this particular interview. 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:06.880 You and I just had lunch, and I'm picking mushrooms 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:08.679 out of my teeth, and I'm beginning to feel like 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:12.839 that's not you. I'm a little now, I'm a little 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:17.120 conscientious that I've committed a murder, that I've that something terrible. Now, 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:18.520 I know the film has been out for a while, 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:22.280 but the film Fantastic Fun Guy, which I saw on Netflix, 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:25.319 but I'm sure it's been around a lot longer. Netflix 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:28.920 had it. First of all, if you've not seen it, 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:33.679 it is absolutely fascinating about the world of my Celia. 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:35.120 Recursor to that. 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:40.320 But yeah, I recommended Einbinder Binder, who's a comedian, and 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:42.959 this is going to go to Joan Rivers and the Hacks. 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:45.559 Hacks is about the thing. The thing is like Joan Rivers, 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:48.280 Un Joan Rivers, he was your godmother, Guyhead. I just 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:50.120 want for the audience that doesn't know, I'm just trying 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:51.880 to truncate the. 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:54.520 Degrees of I recommended her special. I didn't know her 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:57.120 as a comedian, and on the special she's from Hacks. 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:00.400 She talks about the trees communicate, and she did it 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:03.560 from a comedic standpoint about male femail. But how underground 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:07.120 please communicate. They help each other out, they support each other. 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:10.200 And then because of that, and I know that you 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:13.960 mentioned Fantesakung Guy, I watched it again and I wanted 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:18.120 to talk to Louis Schwarzberg, who created the film and 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:21.520 does a lot of stuff in nature with stop action photography. 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:25.760 That's stunning. Because when I watched it again in preparation 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:29.480 for this episode, I mentioned to him that I got 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:31.880 the overview effect, which is what astronauts get to when 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:34.600 they see the Earth in a black void. You realize 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.520 how precarious it is, how fresh it is. And after 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:39.600 I was I was so moved by watching the film 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:44.120 because I understood how all of these plants communicate, how 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:46.400 there's a language that we don't know that we don't 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.320 operate under, but how they save the planet, and how 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:52.400 they recycle CO two and what they do. And under 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:56.480 each footstep is mycilium, and there's thirty miles under each footstep, 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:57.959 and this is communication system. 0:02:58.000 --> 0:02:58.600 And I went. 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:03.200 Very emotional, and it made me even I was already 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:04.560 feeling bad about the salad. 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:07.400 With every word, you're. 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.480 Driving a dagger through my heart. So let's turn to 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:09.960 our guest. 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:13.240 You kill you like to deform a murder. I apologize. 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:16.120 I want to introduce Louis Schwarzburg. 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:19.600 Hello Louis, Louie, and also apologize for Jason. 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:22.440 You did you only eat the sexual organ of the planet. 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:25.480 The plant is under the ground. Oh, I can't tell 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:27.680 you how not better You've made me feel. 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:33.160 So Louis, I should mention Louis is a visual artist 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:36.040 and the stories he tells are fantastic. He did the 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.920 three d Imax film Mysteries of the Unseen World, and 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:40.680 the cool thing about that is when I read about 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:44.280 it, it said he focused on things going too slow, too fast, 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:46.560 and are too small for us to see, because there's 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.000 a whole world of that stuff. Sure, so that's kind 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:52.400 of fascinating. He's worked for Disney and did a film 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:56.720 narrated by Myrtle Street, and also this fantastic fundike. It's 0:03:56.760 --> 0:04:01.440 like an art piece, but it also it elucidates things 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:02.320 that are right there. 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:05.160 But look, before we even get into your knowledge of 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:09.320 all of that systems, I just want to ask as 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:13.320 an introductory question, the thing that you are actually you know, 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.760 you came to this as a filmmaker, a cinematographer. You 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:23.960 personally have advanced the technology of time lapse photography. How 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:27.440 did you come to be fascinated a way with that? 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:31.520 Sure? And move it forward? Yeah, Well, when I was 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:35.520 at UCLA, I fell in love with photography and fine 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:39.120 art photography like Ansel Adams and Western And then I 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:42.760 fell in love with film, and I moved to Northern California, 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:46.240 and I wanted to just make experimental film, but to 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:49.240 buy thirty five millimeter movie film, As you guys know, 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:52.280 it's expensive. And so one of the ways I could 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:55.640 shoot thirty five millimeter, which only commercials and future films 0:04:55.680 --> 0:05:00.360 were using, was to get into time labs, which had 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:04.520 never been done before in thirty five millimeters in sixteen, 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:07.440 it'd been used for like scientific research. Here's a plan 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.880 for a graph behind it. Hey, guess what it does. Grow. 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.320 But I would shoot things that had never been done before, 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:19.200 like take it outdoors, sunrise, fog, moving flowers, opening shafts 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:23.839 of light, filming beauty, and all of that hadn't happened. 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:26.160 And then it was a film happening in a Hollywood 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:28.680 called A Secret Life of Plants. Yeah, Stevie wondered to 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.640 the score for it, remember back then, and they go, Heydri, 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:34.760 it's this crazy guy and probably a hippie. They probably 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:37.040 referred to me in Northern California. It's shooting all these 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:40.479 weird flowers. So I got involved in filming that which 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:42.919 brought me back to Hollywood, and this I think is 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:46.000 pretty cool. I show the studios, I show the networks 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:50.279 this gorgeous thirty five millimeter time lapse. They look at it, 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:53.599 they go, oh my god, it's incredible. It's beautiful, but 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:55.560 we don't know what to do with it, because you 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.800 can't tell a story without conflict. And in my head, 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:02.039 I went and the people who got it were the 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:05.559 ad agencies because basically it's eye candy. I could grab 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:09.400 your attention in a second or two and bingo, I 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:12.760 can sell products, right, And that's kind of how it 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:16.800 all be unfolded. And then from there it look it's 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:18.960 on your iPhone now, the whole idea of time lapse, 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:23.679 everybody does it. It's a feature and the other aspect 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:27.200 is it I think it also figures your sense of 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:29.920 wonder to be able to see things that you and 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:34.680 I can't see. It's like you're a child, don't with 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:38.120 whether you're watching a flower open, or you know, a 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:41.760 mosquito being born out of larvae, or just the beauty 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.800 of a sunset. You know, all of that triggers you 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:47.840 in a very spiritual way, which is what I think Peter, 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:51.240 you were saying about the overview effect because it's a 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:54.200 god's eye point of view. You know, you can't talk. 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:57.320 You can talk about equals mc squared, but to see 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:58.360 it in the movie. 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:00.599 One of the parts that blew my mind, and this 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:05.080 is theoretical, is that mushrooms and the magic mushroom, the 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:07.440 part that the the that that part which is the 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:09.760 spiritual part of getting high or whatever you want to 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:14.040 call it. That one of the hypotheses is that the 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:19.280 art original man, his brain grew at a faster rate 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:23.040 of experimentation and learning language than it would have normally 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:27.240 because he found psilocybin. He found all of this stuff 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:30.400 way way back and was using it. And because that 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:34.160 opens your mind to other choices which you wouldn't and 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:38.400 things you wouldn't have normally seen, that the language intensified quicker. 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:44.160 The pre primitive man, psilocybin and language took the leap 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:47.560 because he started to go, holy crap, if you I 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:48.240 got to tell you. 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:49.960 What I'm seeing in my head. I got to get 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:54.200 word of leerve and a blind and the other guy goes, 0:07:54.240 --> 0:08:00.360 I don't know, blind, I got reenactment, thank you, but 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:01.120 talk first. 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:05.480 So the people who didn't see the film about what's 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:09.360 going on underground and the network of my celium. 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:13.920 So mycilium is the organism, it's the root structure of 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:18.800 budding mushrooms. The mushrooms are the really the reproductive organ 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:21.520 It's like the apple to the tree, you know, the 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:25.000 mushrooms the apple, the trees the mycillial network. And what 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:30.320 they've discovered is that this network is an incredible shared 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:35.240 economy under the ground where nutrients and information is shared 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:39.280 for ecosystems to flourish. So the trees are. 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:42.520 A community and recognize their kin. Well, yes, they'll help 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:46.160 their kin, they'll help each other. They and this isn't 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.240 like you know, hippie dippy crystal shit. This is like 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:54.640 Susan Samar, the PhD professor in British Columbia, again as 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.160 a woman, probably got a lot of resistance from other 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.840 male scientists saying that it's all connected. They put a 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:05.079 radio isotope inside of a tree over here, fifty yards 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:10.280 away from that tree, another tree has absorbed that radioactive isotope, 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:13.199 so they were able to trace it right, and then 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:17.040 it's you know bona fide, you know, experiment, and they 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:20.320 see that the mother tree is feeding its kin, you know. 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.160 And the trees talk to each other. They'll help each other. 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:25.600 If one tree's in the shade, it'll give it more 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:31.239 nutrients for it to grow. It's a beautiful blueprint probably 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:35.120 for our survival when you think about it. That when 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:42.439 when nutrients and information is shared and ecosystems communicate, societies 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:47.640 flourish without greed, you know. And that is nature's operating structure. 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:49.840 So is it a good way to go? All? I 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:53.400 can say it evolved over hundreds of millions of years, 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:58.440 and therefore it's how life has evolved to be successful. 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:01.520 But this is what works. But you know, there's a 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:02.440 dark side to this. 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:05.319 I'd like you to speak to Okay, because we had 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:09.079 the gentleman who is running the HBO show of the 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:13.319 Last of Us, in which the conjecture is that a bacteria, 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:20.280 a fungal adaptation happens and it jumps into the human system, 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.360 is able to survive at the higher temperatures of a 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:25.479 human system and zombifies. 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:27.240 But the people that. 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:34.199 To that extent I always wonder about because I do 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:38.560 think the planet fights back we as we tear away 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.640 at it. I think the natural systems do fight back, 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:43.600 that there was some conjecture that a lot of these 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:47.720 diseases that were even COVID may or may not be 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:52.200 a man made or a man enhanced thing. But I 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:56.800 wonder as we jeopardize these these ecological systems and this 0:10:56.840 --> 0:11:00.120 communication is happening along the macellium network, there. 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:04.079 Not capable of going, well, we have to we were 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:06.760 here co exists with that kind. But if they're not 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:08.439 going to get along with us, we're going to take 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:15.319 a turn here. Yeah. I think the fungi kingdom recycles 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:17.720 everything in nature, so there are nutrients to grow. And 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:20.400 also what's import for us to know they're inside of us? 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:24.240 I mean in your microbiome, in our intestines, our fungui. 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.120 If you didn't have them, you wouldn't be able to 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:30.440 digest food. So we have these symbiotic relationships. I think 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:35.520 when the symbiotic relationship gets broken, then there is disaster. 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.160 And that's what we've been doing. We take the carbon 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:41.960 that's underground, we burn it, put it in the atmosphere. 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:47.440 We put fake you know, oil pesticides into the earth. 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:49.959 So instead of the tree depending on the my cillial 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:53.280 network for nutrients, it's like a heroin attic we're giving 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:57.960 it this fake absorb and that then becomes addicted to that, 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:00.840 and if you don't give it the fertilizer, it dies, 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:05.320 So you break up relationships. Everything in nature is about 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:11.320 relationships cooperation, which is why I think on a moral ground, 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:14.680 these lessons are beautiful. You know, It's like, how do 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.680 you cooperate, how do you get along, how do you share? 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:22.240 How do you do things that enable other people to flourish, 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.160 to be healthy? And that's how I think it's a 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:29.000 beautiful moral code we could follow, which is all I meant. 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:33.360 You know, we'll go into those other assets, but it 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:35.480 is a great metaphor for the work that you do, 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:38.960 which is to focus on stuff that we decide we 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.040 don't have the time to watch and see in its 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:44.280 entirety and see the beauty of it. And you are 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.640 able to compress it in such a way that we 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:50.120 can have an experience that most of us would never 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:53.680 take the time to have and to notice it's really 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:54.440 kind of wonderful. 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:58.560 Well imagine, you know, if you told someone you know, 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:01.560 you're in a yoga resort, you go stare at this 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.120 flower for the next three days, don't go to the bathroom, 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:06.800 don't eat, don't do anything, and that'll really help you 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:09.800 be enlightened. But I can actually show you what that 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:14.440 would look like in five seconds, which is great because 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:17.080 it might be nice to be there and stare at 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:18.960 a flower for all day. But none of us have 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.640 that time. I mean, I don't meditate. I wish I 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:24.120 had another lifetime to be a Tibetan monk and I 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:26.319 could sit on a rock and look at it at 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:29.160 the stars at night. But what's the reality. We don't 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:32.120 have that option at all. But if I can give 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:35.079 you a visual of what that might be like, which 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:40.000 is why I think it does trigger spiritual or transcendent feeling. 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:42.440 I mean, think about it when the flower opens and 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:46.640 closes the day in the life of that being. I 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:49.920 mean the films we loved it are like by biographical 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:52.080 when you see like from the beginning to the end, 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:56.280 they're powerful. They touch you because we're all gonna die. 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:00.520 We all realize as a transcendent experience we're having here, 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:04.480 and to be able to experience that, I think it 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.200 touches your soul in a way that's hard to describe. 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:10.880 So the macilium are everywhere. I mean, like I said 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.480 in the beginning, it's thirty every continent, thirty million miles. 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:16.000 What's the state of where we're at right now? I mean, 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:18.800 we watched your film. We now understand if you watch 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.360 that and understand it the importance of the networks and 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:24.800 that we shouldn't screw with them. Where are we with that? 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:27.120 Because I know you do extensive stuff all. 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:30.480 Over the world. Yeah, are we in? Is that network 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:34.680 as endangered as the rest of our it is? And 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:39.480 one of the big problems is, you know, agri industrial agriculture. 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:41.560 So one of the ways to prevent the network from 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.480 being cut up is no till farming. You know, you 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:46.840 want to keep the network in place. That's a big 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:50.400 deal because all industrial farming is like you know, the 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:53.400 tractor going down the rows and chopping it up, train 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:57.240 it up, killing it all, and then putting petroleum fertilizer 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:00.000 on it. And we're destroying it. So there's a movie 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:05.720 been now about regenerative agriculture. It's perhaps the most one 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:08.200 of the top environmental movements that are happening right now 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:11.960 is regenerative agriculture. If we kill the soil, we kill 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:14.280 our food supply, and that's really critical. 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.040 Can I just saying, Louis is funny. When we were talking, 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:18.920 he goes, so when I do TED Talk and he 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:21.680 had a Ted talk, I think sixty million downloads on 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:24.120 the Ted Talk. But he said I asked simple questions 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:26.880 like where does soil come from? And I went, okay, 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:28.480 let's answer that question. 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:32.040 Where do you got me? Where? Where does soil come from? 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.800 Soil comes from fun guy that breaks down organic matters 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.440 so that it can be in its smallest component parts 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:41.920 to be recycled. But most people don't know the answer 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:45.040 to that, right, So, I mean people don't know where 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:59.800 does an orange come from an apple? Where is an 0:15:59.880 --> 0:16:07.240 or come from an apple? In flower, right, a flower 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:11.880 becomes fruit, not vegetables for us to eat. The flower 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:17.920 is the sexual organ of the plant, right, beckoning these Yeah. 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.240 So in Wings of Life, I have Meryl Streepy you 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:25.200 the voice of the flower. She's seducing bees, baths, hummingbirds, 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:29.120 and butterflies to come get her to move her DNA around. 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:33.080 Because of flower. A plant doesn't have legs. It needs 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:37.440 to mate with somebody else. Diversity is one of the 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:42.360 key elements of evolution. You can't mate with yourself all 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:46.760 the time. Sometimes certain species do it, but it doesn't 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:50.720 create a stronger DNA. Correct, So you got to get 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:54.080 these messengers to come move your DNA around. And then 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:58.240 the bee, of course, that's moving the pollen around. It's 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:00.880 getting that pollen bringing you back to the and it 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:07.080 enables it feeds its children. So what's beautiful about the story. 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:11.840 It's not sexual intercourse. It's an intersection between the animal 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:15.239 world and plant world that gives us the food we 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:19.080 need to eat. And it's not transactional because I don't 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:23.000 think the flower is telling to be Hey, come transport 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:26.800 my pollen and in exchange you get food. I think 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:29.000 it's an accident because the pond just sticks to the 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:32.440 furry part of the beat, right, So what's really even 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:37.399 on a higher spiritual in the sense story they enable 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:41.359 each other unknowingly. You know, I'm going to help you, 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:45.400 and they don't realize that they're helping the other party. 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.520 You know, it's so beautiful that they that, and that's 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.399 really the foundation of life. So after I made that film, 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.080 I go, well, if plants are critical for our food supply, 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:57.520 food shelter, medicine, all of it comes from a plant 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:01.720 where the plants eat soil or it'll come from fun Guy. 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:05.120 Without fun Guy, there'd been no soil and then again 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:06.680 no life, so you. 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:08.960 Must be aware of There was another document and I 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:13.479 think it was called Yes the Ground. Called Common Ground 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:17.000 is the title of the movie. I'm not sure to 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:18.560 make sure we're talking about the same one. It is 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:25.560 basically a documentary advocating this non tilled farming, because it 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:31.199 says it basically, they took two fallow fields that had 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:34.640 been over farmed, and both of them had farmed out. 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:38.400 The ground was dead, and they. 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:40.800 Did this non till farming on one and left and 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:41.560 kept using it. 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:41.800 Well. 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:45.560 The one they stopped tilling came back in three years. 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:49.360 There was a the Chinese government gave a fourteen thousand 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:55.520 square mile sector of dead land to this sperre amount, and. 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:58.360 They went in and they applied the practices. 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:04.000 Of non tilled farming, and in ten years that entire 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:08.400 forest came back to full life. Where this is happening, 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:11.960 carbon emissions in the air are sucked into the earth. 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.680 It is literally filtering the air. It may it. 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:20.639 Presented the idea of saving our soil, respecting our soil 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:24.800 as the centerpiece of how we save ourselves from some 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:27.560 of the climate destruction that we've done, and it was 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:29.080 it was just an extreme. 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:33.080 Most powerful natural phenomena that can suck all the carbon 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:35.520 out of the atmosphere. I've heard that if we would 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:40.800 stop polluting tomorrow in like five years, this process of 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:44.520 photosynthesis and sequestering carbon in the ground into my cilial 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:48.160 network could totally clean the atmosphere. We could do that. 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:51.919 Can we seguay before we go into the mush Going anyway? 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.320 I got questionsom the mushroom part of this. So the 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:57.600 mushroom part in the movie, there were a couple people 0:19:57.640 --> 0:19:59.439 and this was moving to me because there were no 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:00.960 claims it's going to cure me. 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:01.680 Yeah. 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:04.800 But and it moved me too because when you have 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:09.360 people who have stage four cancer diagnosis, you're there right 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:10.879 there with them because you get it. We've all been 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:11.520 around that. 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:11.920 Kind of thing. 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:13.800 Sure, I watched that, and I just want to know 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:16.320 your experience with that, having been around it, having filmed that, 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:19.800 being open to it, what was your experience. 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:23.320 So these are patients that had a severe diagnosis of 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:29.560 cancer and the psilocybin treatment what it does is it 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:34.679 reduces the fear of death anxiety. So imagine you got 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:37.399 this physiological problem. Now you got these other problems that 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:41.240 what happens when they die, the existential question. They got 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:46.639 two things going on. So the psilocybin psychedelic experience to 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:51.320 make people feel more connected. They feel the oneness of everything, 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:55.359 and that's why it triggers this feeling of lost, the 0:20:55.400 --> 0:21:00.920 fear of dying, of love, of connection. And by doing that, 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:04.879 it enables I think, the body to heal faster because 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:08.080 you've taken away this incredible anxiety of like what's going 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:11.639 to happen when I die? So that is really, I 0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:15.560 think an example of the healing energy of it. What's 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:19.240 also interesting, I just recently finished the clinical trial here 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:25.120 in Santa Monica where patients with addiction to alcohol take 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:29.760 psilocybin and they watch a big video, an eight inch 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:33.080 video screen of my imagery of rhythms and patterns of 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:35.720 nature as they're coming onto it. Then they do the 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:37.720 thing as we saw in the movie. They lay down 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:40.360 with a therapist with eye shades and they go inward. 0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:44.240 After that they watch a video that helps them feel grounded. 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:48.199 The results showed that the combination of my Imagery with 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:52.840 psilocybin was more effective than the psilocybin by itself in 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:57.440 treating alcohol addiction, so better end results, lower heart rate, 0:21:57.520 --> 0:22:02.600 respiration rate, blood pressure. This feeling of getting reconnected to nature, 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:06.840 whether it's music, whether it's visual, whether it is a 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:11.320 chemical like a psychedelic plant, medicine, all of these are 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:16.440 portals just to becoming grounded. You know. So you brought 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:20.680 us today. Is this your company? Yes, and it's called 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:21.840 Fantastic Fun Guy. Yeah. 0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:27.360 And you've got tinctures based on I'm assuming almost all 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:31.359 fungal product that do a variety of different things. The 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:33.320 one that I asked you for and you shared with 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:38.639 me is for immunity. I'll let you know. So my 0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:43.639 question is sometimes from out of nowhere, not necessarily a 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:46.520 rainstorm or anything else, but I'll walk out my husband 0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:49.280 day and my lawns suddenly covered with mushrooms. 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:54.119 My first question is a y all of a sudden, 0:22:55.119 --> 0:22:58.240 and B is there a way to know, Oh I 0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:00.760 can eat that, or I can dry that I can 0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:04.600 or that one's a bad one. There are so many, right, 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:05.800 there's so many different kinds. 0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:09.120 And I've been on nature walks with guys who knew 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:10.320 the immediate area that. 0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:13.040 They got that one's good that one will kill you. Yeah, 0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:18.800