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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Everybody, Clay Travis and

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show. Clay and I here in NYC, right

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Speaker 1: in midtown Manhattan, and it was very it's very hot

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Speaker 1: last few days. Specify's actually doing pretty well right now,

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Speaker 1: all things considered. A lot of masks on the street, though,

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Speaker 1: which upsets me. Clay's probably looking at this like this

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Speaker 1: is some alien invasion going on right now. It's with

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Speaker 1: all these masks everywhere, all of a sudden. But we'll

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Speaker 1: get into some of that coming up a little bit later,

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Speaker 1: because the question we have to address today is when

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Speaker 1: is a recession not a recession. I think the answer

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Speaker 1: is what a Democrat is president. That's what, all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, A recession is something else. It's a recovery,

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Speaker 1: it's a transition, it's a mitigation measure, whatever. It's something else.

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Speaker 1: It's not actually a recession, especially when you're almost at

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Speaker 1: the August recess and out of midterm election. Coming up

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Speaker 1: here is just a sense. I mean, they've got Brian Deese,

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Speaker 1: the economic advisor in this White House, who's out there

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Speaker 1: trying to make the case there are a few people

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Speaker 1: you'll see popping up on TV not making a compelling

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Speaker 1: case or even a coherent one, trying to tell everybody

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Speaker 1: about how this is not really a recession. Here is

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Speaker 1: what they say sometimes versus other times, But one do

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Speaker 1: we have it? Two negative quarters of GDP growth is

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Speaker 1: not the technical definition of recession. It's not the definition

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Speaker 1: that economists have traditionally relied on. A recession is just

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Speaker 1: two consecutive quarters of economic decline? What is a recession?

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Speaker 1: A recession is two consecutive quarters of two consecutive quarters,

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Speaker 1: two consecutive quarters, two consecutive quarters of declineing GDP. Did

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Speaker 1: you know it's two consecutive quarters of down GDP? It

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Speaker 1: is actually a definition of a recession. Most common definition

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Speaker 1: of a recession to consecutive quarters of negative growth. Even

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Speaker 1: if we don't have two consecutive quarters of negative growth,

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Speaker 1: we might have one quarter of growth so deep that

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Speaker 1: it's classified as a recession. And McClay to be fair

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Speaker 1: if they can redefine the word woman, redefining the word

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Speaker 1: recession is pretty easy in comparison, But I think everybody

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Speaker 1: sees the game here. If you wonder what the number

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Speaker 1: is going to be. About a week ago, this argument

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Speaker 1: began to be trotted out that it wasn't a recession

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Speaker 1: until it's officially called a recession by the grand pooh

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Speaker 1: bahs in charge of economic analysis and buck Oftentimes, they

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Speaker 1: don't even make their official statement on recession having arrived

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Speaker 1: So what seems quite clear is Republicans are going to

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Speaker 1: argue rightly that the traditional definition of recession is two

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Speaker 1: straight quarters of declining GDP growth. We already were down

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Speaker 1: one point six percent in quarter one, We're likely going

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Speaker 1: to be down tomorrow early in the morning when this

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Speaker 1: number comes out for the second quarter, and when that happens,

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Speaker 1: we'll be in a recession. And what Democrats are afraid

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Speaker 1: of is we've already got nine point one percent inflation.

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Speaker 1: We're sitting at a little over three months until the

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Speaker 1: mid term, and in addition to the worst inflation in

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Speaker 1: going to also be able to argue that Biden has

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Speaker 1: led the country into a recession, and so they are

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Speaker 1: desperate to try to adopt this technical version of recession

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Speaker 1: that won't be officially analyzed and determined until after the midterms,

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Speaker 1: so sometime in twenty twenty three all of these I

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Speaker 1: think it's like eight guys who are sitting on an

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Speaker 1: economics board that analyze all the data and determine whether

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Speaker 1: we've officially hit a recession. Then it'll happen in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three, when we're likely already moving through the recession

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Speaker 1: and it's not an election year. They don't want to

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Speaker 1: give this ammunition to Republicans. And the reality that the

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Speaker 1: Democrats don't want to discuss is rates are going up

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Speaker 1: even higher, and the recession that we are eaten right now,

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Speaker 1: whether it is a technicality or not, is probably going

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Speaker 1: to get worse. This You're going to see likely a

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Speaker 1: period of stagflation, so rising or high inflation rates and

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Speaker 1: rising unemployment. That's likely to be the case. So they're

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Speaker 1: trying to do this slow role, boil the frog and

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Speaker 1: the pots, slowly approach to the economic reality we are

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Speaker 1: all in. Here's an economist over at KPMG saying, look,

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Speaker 1: the reality here is that the Biden economy is not

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Speaker 1: good and it's going to get worse. At the end

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Speaker 1: of the day. The worst mistake would be to allow

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Speaker 1: a repeat of the nineteen sixties and seventies, where we

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Speaker 1: let inflation, road living standards and squeeze profit margins layout

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Speaker 1: compound a vicious cycle that went on for years. That's

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Speaker 1: worse than a recession. It's nothing is good. This is

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Speaker 1: between a rock and a hard place, and there's no

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Speaker 1: way to extract ourselves without there being some pain. Now,

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Speaker 1: if the Biden administration was staffed with serious people, and

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Speaker 1: in the brain necessary to really understand what's going on here, Clay,

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Speaker 1: I think that they could say to everybody, look, we

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Speaker 1: were in a pandemic. We spent trillions of dollars, and

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Speaker 1: we were in an emergency situation, and we need to

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Speaker 1: get ourselves out of this now. And that is going

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Speaker 1: to require some difficulty. But we're going to make smart decisions.

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Speaker 1: We're going to bring on some business leaders into this

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Speaker 1: White House. There are things they could do. What they

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Speaker 1: have been doing all year is saying, look at all

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Speaker 1: the jobs we created, We're great, this is a great economy.

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Speaker 1: What are you talking about? And the American people looking,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, can't afford my gas my groceries or my

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Speaker 1: mortgage buddy, it's not so great. They're in a really

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Speaker 1: tough spot in this respect. Buck. Two thirds of the

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Speaker 1: American economy is consumer spending. So if consumers recognize that

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Speaker 1: we're in a recession, which I think consumers have, what

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Speaker 1: happens people start to spend money less. And this is

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Speaker 1: what you're seeing with the earnings numbers that are coming out.

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Speaker 1: Walmart is always a good approximation of the larger national economy.

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Speaker 1: Remember last year, Walmart came out and said, hey, we're

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Speaker 1: starting to see people trade back to generics a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Instead of buying the expensive brand of peanut butter, they're

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Speaker 1: buying a Walmart version. They're saving a little bit of money.

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Speaker 1: They came out and said that that was last year.

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Speaker 1: Last quarter, I believe most recent quarter for Walmart stock

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Speaker 1: dropped ten percent because they said people are dialing back

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Speaker 1: spending in a big way. First thing you do is

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Speaker 1: go to generics. Next thing you do is start buying less.

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Speaker 1: And when people are buying less from Walmart nationwide, we're

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Speaker 1: in a recession book and people are behaving like we're

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Speaker 1: in a recession. And we talked about this last night

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Speaker 1: at dinner. I'm really nervous about the housing market. Yep, right,

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Speaker 1: because just think about it out there. We talked about

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Speaker 1: But there are a lot of people out there, probably

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Speaker 1: many of you listening to us right now, who have

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Speaker 1: fifteen or thirty year mortgages in the two and a

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Speaker 1: my overall mortgage is gonna go to six percent. Why

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Speaker 1: to see housing prices come back substantially all over the country,

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Speaker 1: even in hot markets. This is supply and demand. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna have fewer possible buyers for all of these houses

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Speaker 1: because they won't be able to afford the financing as

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Speaker 1: the rates rise, as well as the challenge of paying

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Speaker 1: all their other bills. Right most families are living within

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Speaker 1: a pretty confined budget space. Month the month and you

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Speaker 1: see these numbers about how many people even have the

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Speaker 1: savings to deal with a five hundred dollar emergency nationwide.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty small. But when you have fewer possible buyers

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Speaker 1: on price. A lot of people obviously also have seen

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Speaker 1: last couple of years, and now the question is what

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Speaker 1: broader economy in a lot of really important ways. And

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Speaker 1: they keep pushing, they keep pushing us on this idea. Well,

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Speaker 1: unemployments really low, yeah, but not for the reasons they

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Speaker 1: So when you're looking for some kind of an upshot

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Speaker 1: and the people in charge are both dishonest about this

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Speaker 1: and incompetent in the handling of this. That's the big challenge.

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Speaker 1: And let's talk about this potential basis point rise, which

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Speaker 1: we anticipate it's going to be a three quarter basis

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Speaker 1: be in a recession and rising interests, raising interest rates simultaneously,

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Speaker 1: the underlying inflation, which is why we're in one of

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Speaker 1: ultimately cause and effect. The Fed, the government put too

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Speaker 1: They overstimulated the economy, They artificially kept rates too low.

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Speaker 1: They spend too much money. Where thirty trillion roughly now

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Speaker 1: trillions of dollars spent. He spent two trillion more, wanted

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Speaker 1: of that for build back better. The cause and effect

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Speaker 1: political cause and effect should be the people that wanted

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Speaker 1: have no idea how to actually operate within a free

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Speaker 1: to account in this midterm election that's otherwise you're getting

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Speaker 1: more of this. They still think if we could spend more.

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Speaker 1: Remember the stimulus package under Obama. I remember what the

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Speaker 1: we didn't spend enough. That was always the thing. It's

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Speaker 1: always more spending. Right now, if Joe Biden could, would

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Speaker 1: he spend five trillion dollars for build back better? He

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Speaker 1: had the votes one hundent, he would do it. They

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Speaker 1: better than the American people do. They have to be

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Speaker 1: or so. You're going to see the markets get really

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Speaker 1: a big part of their story. What was supposed to

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Speaker 1: conservative media is covering January six, But I actually thought

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Speaker 1: the way it read it actually sounded super logical on

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Speaker 1: many different levels. I think so too, And it was

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Speaker 1: great to be in such a good company, including you

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Speaker 1: guys who thank you, and Tucker and others. You know,

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Speaker 1: we because we have been running counter to the official

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Speaker 1: regime narrative and in many instances, and the Sickney cases one, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: we have been right. Yeah, and I knew that a reason.

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Speaker 1: I knew that this these new charges dropping, the charges

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Speaker 1: were coming, and I knew that. That's why the New

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Speaker 1: York Times tried to sneer me as somehow downplaying what

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Speaker 1: happened to Brian sick Nick. Well, now you've been proven

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Speaker 1: right again. So that's part of what the New York

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Speaker 1: Times does. So that was their their predicate for publishing that.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Julie Kelly political commentating, your commentator contributed to

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Speaker 1: American Greatness, author of January sixth, how Democrats use the

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Speaker 1: capital protest to launch a war on terror against the

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Speaker 1: political right, Julie, to that end, about the weaponization here

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Speaker 1: against the political right and disloyal opposition from the government.

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Speaker 1: You saw that Washington Post piece. I'm sure that is

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Speaker 1: trying to at least create the perception, maybe the belief

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Speaker 1: that Donald Trump himself may be charged. You mentioned the

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Speaker 1: possible insurrection seditious insurrection charge against him, or conspiracy to

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Speaker 1: commit insurrection, whatever it is that however they're going to

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Speaker 1: phrase it. Do you think they actually might do this, Julie,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's what a client are going back and

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Speaker 1: forth all this. You think they'll pull the trigger on

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Speaker 1: this and come what may from just what this would

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Speaker 1: do to the country. Well, first, I want to know

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Speaker 1: who thinks the DOJ is going to charge that? Okay, So, Julie,

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Speaker 1: my argument is if the DOJ charges Hunter Biden, which

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Speaker 1: I think they will, that they're going to use that

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Speaker 1: as political cover to potentially charge Trump, and they'll say,

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Speaker 1: whether you are the son of the president or the

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Speaker 1: former president, Justice demands that we pursue it, no matter

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Speaker 1: who the defendant might be. So my theory is they

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Speaker 1: may use Hunter Biden charges as cover to charge Trump

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Speaker 1: with conspiracy. Interesting, that's what I said, I thought about it.

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Speaker 1: But what do you think about them just charging Trump? Period?

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Speaker 1: Do you think they might do it under any circumstance?

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Speaker 1: Ninety nine point nine percent absolutely confident that this DOJ

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Speaker 1: is going to indict him. This is the purpose of

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Speaker 1: the January sixth Committee is to build a public and

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Speaker 1: political case against Donald Trump, especially related to the alleged

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Speaker 1: two alleged militia groups. This DJ has not been held

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Speaker 1: accountable for repeatedly lying in court into a grand jury

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Speaker 1: about what happened on January sixth. These judges in DC

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Speaker 1: are letting DJ get away with anything. So I'm confident

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Speaker 1: that if Matthew Brais, the DCUs attorney and Biden champaign advisor,

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Speaker 1: is presenting information to a grand jury made up of

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Speaker 1: DC residents city of course that voted almost ninety four

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Speaker 1: percent for Joe Biden, they'd be chomping at the bit

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Speaker 1: to indict Donald Trump for anything, including this exceedingly rare

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Speaker 1: charge of seditious conspiracy, a charge no American has ever

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Speaker 1: been convicted of. And the last time DJ even tried

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Speaker 1: to prosecute anyone with seditious conspiracy in twenty eleven, federal

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Speaker 1: judge in Michigan tossed the charges out of court. That's

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Speaker 1: how unusual and rare discount is. Julie, what do you

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Speaker 1: think the timing would be on bringing If you're ninety

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Speaker 1: nine point nine percent certain that arges are going to come,

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Speaker 1: when do you think the DJ would bring them? I

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Speaker 1: would guess sometimes September. I believe this will probably be

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Speaker 1: the October surprise. It will be the latest DOJ October

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Speaker 1: surprise to interfere in an election and there's nothing to

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Speaker 1: stop them. Julie, Kelly Craig call it a shot here

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Speaker 1: in the upper deck. My friend, she's about to see

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Speaker 1: Swig in the back too. That's a big call to

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Speaker 1: make October surprise Trump gets indicted, Julie, we appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: How can people who want to and I've done this myself,

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Speaker 1: so I would encourage everyone out there listening to do

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Speaker 1: it as well. How can people donate so that these

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Speaker 1: January sixth defendants can have legal representation to help them

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Speaker 1: fight the charges that they are all facing. How can

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Speaker 1: people help them get better attorneys? Well, Klay, thank you

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Speaker 1: for that. As you've donated to Patriot Freedom Project. It

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Speaker 1: is a fun that is helping to pay for lawyers

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Speaker 1: and the financial burden of families who are ensnared in

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Speaker 1: this abuse of prosecution. I also would ask people to

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Speaker 1: check out George tinius'sum gives end Go account because he's

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Speaker 1: really been destroyed to support this narrative about Brian Sicknick.

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Speaker 1: And so those are two places. People who want to

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Speaker 1: help financially, or even if they can't, send a letter

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Speaker 1: to some of the detainees. I know that it's greatly appreciated, Julie.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic work. As always, we appreciate the time, and we

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Speaker 1: will keep you on the dial here as these January

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Speaker 1: six prosecutions continue. All right, guys, thank you so much. Truly.

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Speaker 1: Shepherd spelled shp hrd. Welcome back in Clay Tureravis Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show close an Out hour two. You thought that

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Speaker 1: my prediction on hunter By getting indicted was maybe aggressive, Buck,

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Speaker 1: How about Julie Kelly right there? Ninety nine point nine

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Speaker 1: percent chance she said that Donald Trump will be indicted

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Speaker 1: for this seditious conspiracy charge in her mind that the

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Speaker 1: Washington Post wrote about last night. If you haven't read it,

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Speaker 1: that's a pretty aggressive I mean, she's been right. Let's

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Speaker 1: be honest on a lot of these January sixth, related stories. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's just think about what they've already done. They managed

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Speaker 1: and are unrepentant about it, to push a Russia collusion

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Speaker 1: narrative that was the dominant news story from twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Really basically up until the pandemic, the biggest news story

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Speaker 1: in America and really in the world was the complete

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Speaker 1: and utter fabrication, the lie that Donald Trump worked with

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Speaker 1: Putin and the Kremlin to steal the twenty sixteen election

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Speaker 1: from Hillary. And what we've seen since then is that

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Speaker 1: they are just upset, not that they destroyed their credibility

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Speaker 1: in places like CNN, engaged in journalistic self immolation, but

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Speaker 1: that it didn't work quite as well as they had hoped.

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Speaker 1: They did manage to use it as a weapon against

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration, that big lie against Trump. So Clay,

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Speaker 1: we have to stop and look at this and say

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Speaker 1: to ourselves, they've shown us who they are. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you're really willing to believe that Donald Trump was

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Speaker 1: part of some Russian conspiracy to change people, believe that

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Speaker 1: they changed votes in the voting machines. Remember, questioning elections

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Speaker 1: when Democrats win is literally treason. But when they were

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Speaker 1: saying that Trump didn't win the election, and Hillary was

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Speaker 1: even still months and months after she had lost, saying

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Speaker 1: that she didn't really buy it. That's just fine, man,

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Speaker 1: that's just safeguarding our democratic processes. The thing with Democrats

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Speaker 1: you always have to remember is they have no integrity

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Speaker 1: to protect on these things. Gives them a lot of movement,

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Speaker 1: a lot of latitude. I was surprised that Merrick Garland

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Speaker 1: set for this interview. Lester Holt questioned the Attorney General

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Speaker 1: Merrick Garland about the idea of prosecuting Trump and what

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Speaker 1: it would do to the country. Listen to Merrick Garland's

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Speaker 1: answer right here. This is NBC News. Lester Holt questioning

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Speaker 1: Merrick Garland. You said in no in certain terms the

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Speaker 1: other day, that no one is above the law. That said,

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Speaker 1: the indictment of a former president of perhaps candidate for president,

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Speaker 1: would arguably tear the country apart. Is that your concern

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Speaker 1: as you make your decision down the road here do

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Speaker 1: you have to think about things like that? Look, we

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Speaker 1: pursue justice without fear or favor. We intend to hold

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Speaker 1: everyone anyone who was criminally irresponsible for and surrounding January six,

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Speaker 1: for any attempt to interfere with the lawful transfer of

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Speaker 1: power from one administration to another accountable. That's what we do.

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Speaker 1: We don't pay any attention to other issues with respect

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Speaker 1: to that. I think he's setting the table buck. I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna say it, Hunter Biden's going to be the

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Speaker 1: fall guy for Democrats. Forces Joe Biden potentially out of running,

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Speaker 1: creates a mess, and then they are able to argue

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Speaker 1: no favor. You just heard him say it. There. We're

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Speaker 1: going to go after the truth no matter who the defend.

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Speaker 1: So to be clear, you think that the Biden or

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Speaker 1: rather the Democrat apparatus, wants to take both these players

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Speaker 1: he's going to have to pardon him or commute him,

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Speaker 1: and he's going to be too wounded as a political

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Speaker 1: candidate to go forward and Trump. Yes, you think they

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Speaker 1: don't want to just clear out the chessboard a little bit,

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Speaker 1: They want to flip it over and knock all the

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Speaker 1: pieces off. Well. I think Democrats know that Biden is

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Speaker 1: an awful candidate, so I don't think they have any

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Speaker 1: issue now with throwing him to the wolds. And Hunter

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Speaker 1: you look at Trump. They definitely still want Trump. I

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Speaker 1: think the only way you can charge Trump is if

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden gets charged first. I think your odds of

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Speaker 1: think the odds that they actually try this thing against Trump,

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling like it's a fifty to fifty at this point. Man.

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden's more likely to get charged than Trump. I

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