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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of unplug brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Draft Kings. The crown is yours, but I just

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Speaker 1: want to give a huge shout out to my brother

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Foster and UCLA Football. We got a chance to

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Speaker 1: team up with them this past Friday to do Friday

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Speaker 1: Night Lights. It was success, and the biggest success story

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Speaker 1: to come out of that is they landed their man,

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Speaker 1: nico Ia Maliava. Close enough, Nico he landed in Westwood

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Speaker 1: Man leading up to this. That's why every time I

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Speaker 1: saw him posted, I'd put UCLA Football underneath it. But again, man,

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Speaker 1: shout out to Deshaun and his team for landing the

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Speaker 1: number one quarterback recruit in the portal. Things are changing

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Speaker 1: over there and I'm really excited for him and I

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Speaker 1: were happy that All the Smoke was able to be

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Speaker 1: a part of that and definitely looking forward to working

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Speaker 1: with them more in the future. Shout out to my

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Speaker 1: girl Carrie Champion who came through and co hosted with

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Speaker 1: me and everyone. We talked to the Carnell Lake and

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Speaker 1: his son and my brother Mercedes Lewis got a chance

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Speaker 1: to talk to DK. A lot of people were out there,

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Speaker 1: a lot of former Bruin football players. So great event. Again,

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Speaker 1: shout out to my brother Dashaun and this guy Thomas

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Speaker 1: and everyone who made that event possible. Man, Huge success

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Speaker 1: and best luck this year to UCLA football. Playoffs are

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Speaker 1: finally here. And to dig into that a little bit,

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Speaker 1: I want to bring in my good friend Rachel Nichols. Rachel,

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Speaker 1: how are you. I've been seeing you everywhere You've been

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Speaker 1: in practice around You've shaken a bacon.

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Speaker 2: Huh yeah, you know, to keep it moving. Is that

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Speaker 2: time of the year, man, the best time of the year.

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Speaker 1: First up, timber Wolves came into LA and beat the

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Speaker 1: Lakers by twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Were you surprised?

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Speaker 1: I was very surprised. I wasn't surprised that they want

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Speaker 1: a surprise in the fashion which they won. And obviously

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Speaker 1: they're not going to shoot fifty percent from the three

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Speaker 1: point line the rest of the series. But fast break

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Speaker 1: points twenty five to six. That kind of concerned me

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Speaker 1: from a standpoint of Lakers just an older team and

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Speaker 1: if they can't slow down, normally the playoffs are slower.

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Speaker 1: But if you're able to get twenty six twenty five

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Speaker 1: fast break points in the place game, you're really doing something.

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Speaker 2: So it was twenty six years old.

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Speaker 1: Well, Luca has never really been one for the lateral

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Speaker 1: speed or defensive I agree.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying they're not an old team anymore, but.

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Speaker 1: He still kind of moves like he's older on the defensive,

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Speaker 1: not on the offensive end. But what I mean, what

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Speaker 1: was your take from that? Obviously bron didn't shoot the ball. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and again I think people like Gina who's in here,

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Speaker 1: who thinks, oh, it's over, Minnesota's gonna win. I don't

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Speaker 1: definitely don't want to go that far, but it was

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Speaker 1: definitely it opened my eyes a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I thought the Lakers would end up winning this series

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Speaker 2: because I just thought that they would outgun Minnesota in

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Speaker 2: the end. That's how the Lakers are going to win

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Speaker 2: any playoff series this year. They're just going to pour

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Speaker 2: in so many points with such a you know, potent

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Speaker 2: But where it falls apart is if you can have

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Speaker 2: someone who can really drive the lane and make you

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Speaker 2: interior defense anymore. And Anthony Edwards, I was really impressed.

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Speaker 2: He was so disciplined because We saw him in the

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Speaker 2: Western Conference Finals last year, after having such a good

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Speaker 2: run through the first two rounds, kind of under the

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Speaker 2: pressure of playing on that stage, you know, a good

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Speaker 2: but also just a little bit making that great decisions,

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Speaker 2: and he made excellent decisions in game one. He deserves

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Speaker 2: a lot of credit for that, and really just sort

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Speaker 2: of pinpoint attacked where the Lakers were weak. And you

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Speaker 2: say about the threes. Obviously they got to hit the threes,

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Speaker 2: but the Lakers defensive plan ever since the trade has

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Speaker 2: basically been leave three point shooters generally alone, the pack

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Speaker 2: the paint because they just don't have an ad type

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Speaker 2: Wolves hit them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they hit him, and obviously Lakers, I want to say,

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Speaker 1: Lakers hit fifteen threes. McDaniels, you know, had a very

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Speaker 1: solid game, twenty five points. I think Randall came back

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Speaker 1: I think that missed the matchup between him and Braun.

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Speaker 1: Obviously that's a match up the Lakers have to win.

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Speaker 1: And what were your thoughts with just Braun not being

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Speaker 2: I can't tell if he's a little bit hurt because

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Speaker 2: he tweaked you know, he sat out with that hip

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Speaker 2: pome thing and then it looked like he tweaked it.

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Speaker 2: Now that was you know, a good ten days ago

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Speaker 2: at this point, but still, you know, I can't tell

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Speaker 2: by making sure that he doesn't tweak it again or

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Speaker 2: anything like that. Yeah, And also you know, he is

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Speaker 2: a different role on this team now, and I think

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Speaker 2: he's very grateful for that. Yeah, but it is different

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Speaker 2: than we're used to seeing him. We're used to seeing him.

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Speaker 2: This is the first time he has ever in my memory,

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Speaker 2: played with a guy who he doesn't have to be

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Speaker 2: the guy in the fourth quarter. Do you remember? I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't remember a team he's played on where it

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Speaker 1: And just so many times, Richard, it's the random stuff

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Speaker 1: with maybe the ball will be inbounded tobron, he'll just

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Speaker 1: toss it to lucer like right away, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. So it's just like I think this is

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Speaker 1: to play within that will be interesting and if any

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Speaker 1: one can figured it out, it will be him, and

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Speaker 1: I know, knowing JJ, these guys will definitely be ready

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Speaker 1: for a Game two. But Minnesota came and did what

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Speaker 1: have to do, they can lose next game and still

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Speaker 1: have home court heading back home, So it'll be interesting

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Speaker 1: to see how they come out the Lakers come out

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Speaker 1: next game. Thoughts on the series at this point I.

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Speaker 2: Thought going in and I still think it's the most

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Speaker 2: likely that the Lakers will overwhelm the Wolves with how

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Speaker 2: many points they can pour in Lebron will have a

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Speaker 2: great night. At one point in this series. Luca, of course,

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Speaker 2: already scored thirty plus he will do that again and

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Speaker 2: again we know he can drop fifty when he wants to. Indeed,

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Speaker 2: so we'll just have to see how much Ant can

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Speaker 2: take advantage of going to the basket. They're going to

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Speaker 2: still need more from Rudy Gobert. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: you think that's possible, and I just don't know if

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Speaker 2: the point totals are going to measure up because I

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Speaker 2: just don't see anyone who can guard Luca on that team,

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Speaker 2: and we saw it, by the way, yeah last season.

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Speaker 1: One thing too, before we switched series. One thing I

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Speaker 1: think the Lakers did was they let go Bear off

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Speaker 1: They didn't attack them. Yeah, and they have allowed him

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Speaker 1: that rim threat on the offensive end. So it'll be interesting. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Jackson Hayzes only played eight minutes, so Jade didn't feel

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Speaker 1: he was very effective, so it'll be interesting to see

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Speaker 1: what the strategy is coming into game too. But I

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Speaker 1: still feel like the Lakers will get it. It won't

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Speaker 1: be in five, It'll probably be in six or seven,

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Speaker 1: which I don't think they want to do because obviously

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Speaker 1: they need as much time for Bron to rest and

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Speaker 1: heal if he's a little tweaked as possible. So it

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Speaker 1: would definitely be an interesting series going forward. Denver and

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Speaker 1: the Clippers. To me, this was my favorite series coming

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Speaker 1: into the playoffs, and Russell Westbrook somehow became the storyline

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Speaker 1: of this game, which I love because I thought he

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Speaker 1: got a bullshit rap for him somehow being the reason

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Speaker 1: why Malone was fired, and you know the booth situation.

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Speaker 1: But he was crucial down the stretch, caused a big turnover.

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Speaker 1: But what did you take from the Denver game and

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Speaker 1: the Clippers having twenty turnovers and having a double digit

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Speaker 2: First of all, you and I both really like Russ personally.

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Speaker 2: He is a box chocolates though you do not know

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Speaker 2: what you're going to get, right. I mean, for every

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Speaker 2: game where he comes through, there is a game where

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Speaker 2: he takes a shot in the last seconds where you're.

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Speaker 1: Just like, please, what is going on right the ball?

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Speaker 2: It's great that it worked out. We will see games

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Speaker 2: in the series where Russ does not work out, but

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Speaker 2: that's okay. They know what they have in him. Nicole

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Speaker 2: likes him, and I think that really important matters. I

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Speaker 2: thought this was a seven game pickum series. I had

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Speaker 2: no idea, did not pretend going into the series. I

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Speaker 2: knew who was going to win, and the fact that

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Speaker 2: the first game sort of went like this as you said,

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Speaker 2: and then went into OT I thought James Harden was fantastic.

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Speaker 2: We actually for all the smoke. Talked to him a

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Speaker 2: couple of days ago going into the series, and I

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Speaker 2: think it is underrated what he has done this season

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Speaker 2: because it's not a please, it's not a one to one. Okay,

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Speaker 2: it's not exactly the same scenario, but I look at

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Speaker 2: what happened in Philadelphia right where you had sort of

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Speaker 2: the guy who's considered the main guy, embid had this

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Speaker 2: unreliability health issues right, and nobody including Paul George unfortunately

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Speaker 2: could get And I think it can't really expect this

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Speaker 2: because he was coming into the team, but he couldn't

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Speaker 2: really get the guys himself, like all on the same page,

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Speaker 2: him and Tyrese to be able to be like great,

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Speaker 2: we're going to be fine without him, as long as

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Speaker 2: it is that kind of thing. You had pretty much

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Speaker 2: the same situation here in LA with first of all,

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Speaker 2: PG left, so you have all that scoring gone and

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Speaker 2: Kawhi was ah. I mean, we thought he might not

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Speaker 2: come back this season. We didn't know if he was

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Speaker 2: going to come back at all, right within it was

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Speaker 2: just a totally mystery. So you know the fact that

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Speaker 2: James from the very beginning before the preseason even like

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Speaker 2: got the guys together in Arizona, which is cliche, but

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Speaker 2: it does matter, I think, right, and like just kind

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Speaker 2: of through the entire thing, him and Tylu were like,

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Speaker 2: we're a team, We're going to be able to do this.

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Speaker 2: And obviously Zubac the way he developed, So I thought

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Speaker 2: James continued that through this game one. I thought Kawhi

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Speaker 2: looked not quite as we know playoff Kawhi can look

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Speaker 2: and the way frankly has looked in the last month,

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Speaker 2: so you know, so I thought that was something that

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Speaker 2: I wonder if they clean up and able to get

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Speaker 2: him in a better position, if they'll be able to

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Speaker 2: move forward.

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Speaker 1: Differently, twenty nine points off of twenty turnovers, it's never

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Speaker 1: going to be good. But to your point, I think

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Speaker 1: just the way James has been able to handle the

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Speaker 1: criticism and all the outside noise and kind of stay

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Speaker 1: focused on what is needed, whether he needs to be

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Speaker 1: the leading scorer, whether he needs to be the main facilitator.

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Speaker 1: He's reliable. How many games did he play this year?

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Speaker 1: Can we find out? I know he played a lot. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was the one constant, and then obviously Kawhi playing

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Speaker 1: well leading into the playoffs. I think he was twenty

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Speaker 1: two and six last game. Harden played seventy nine games

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Speaker 2: I think they also have a huge coaching advantage. Yeah right,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, his dad was really good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know how many games in he's coached

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think they need to feature Zobots actually

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Speaker 2: to continue to game plan. I mean he is. Jokic

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Speaker 1: I mean, with that being said about Yo Kicic, when

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Speaker 2: I just asked him sort of, you know, what their

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because he's he am passed the game

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Speaker 3: in multiple ways. You know, obviously scoring in basketball, but

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Speaker 3: tough match up for us. Obviously we know what we're

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Speaker 2: I like that no hesitation. I feel like players will

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, obviously you know Shae who you don't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, So.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was an interesting distinction between Hey, most

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Speaker 2: so I assume that that's a cop conversation, but also

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Speaker 2: do we not keep track of that? And you can

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Speaker 2: and certainly back behind that and what we have were

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Speaker 2: the record books, Kobe is not going to be reflected

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Speaker 2: in the record books the way he should have. Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: and that's a guy who was definitely the best player

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Speaker 2: because I just can't decide between two guys who's going

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Speaker 2: the fact that we don't mark that when I have

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Speaker 1: As someone who's been in the weeds and has had

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Speaker 2: Totally? I mean Most Improved Player is a great example.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the history of the war, but I

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Speaker 1: just know if you're like a lottery pick or number

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Speaker 2: Well, let me take you back. So this used to

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Speaker 2: You know why they had to stop naming it that

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Speaker 1: The Year the Powder Award.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, So that's where it used to be. Then

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Speaker 2: they made it most improved, which is confusing, very confused,

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Speaker 2: In the NBA, there are people who refuse to vote

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Speaker 2: necessarily have anything to do with improvements, right, Like, you

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Speaker 2: you have people who vote based on, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: We're going to get into most Improved a little bit later,

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Speaker 1: but before we do, let's talk Warriors Rockets, And before

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Speaker 1: have you heard anything about Kaminga and why he hasn't

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Speaker 2: I mean I was going to say it's been the

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Speaker 2: You would think, yeah, right, So I don't know if

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Speaker 2: ste feels like, hey, it's been going really well since

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Speaker 2: with that? And I respect that, But you are getting

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you then activate him if you

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Speaker 1: This point, you know, too hard at this point, because

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Speaker 1: And unfortunately Houston was one of those teams. Although I

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Speaker 1: And Golden State went in there and showed that. Shout

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Speaker 2: Did you hear that Kevin Harlan call? Uh yeah, one

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Speaker 1: Crazy. It's just crazy what he is still able to

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Speaker 2: Still are your boys that were like we know him,

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Speaker 1: With oh yeah, yeah, Yeah, they don't talk about it,

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Speaker 2: I think the Rockets are a less talented and I

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Speaker 2: Houston needs more offense. They just need more offense, and

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Speaker 2: Who's out there, Well, we know Kevin Brants out there

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Speaker 2: He's not a completely different age timeline than those guys,

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Speaker 2: And if you look at his numbers this year, I

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Speaker 2: think it's yeah, it's ridiculous, drives me crazy, he would

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Speaker 1: What is thirty six Kevin? Yeah? And still what twenty seven?

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Speaker 2: be better, they cannot do what Matt Ishbia has been

436
00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,439
Speaker 2: out in the press saying they want to do. It

437
00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,800
Speaker 2: is great that the owner sits there and says we're

438
00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:20,800
Speaker 2: going to keep winning. We're never going to tank, We're

439
00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,160
Speaker 2: always going to try to win. You have my word,

440
00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,520
Speaker 2: you know, to fans that this team will be trying

441
00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,800
Speaker 2: to win. That sounds good, It does not create a

442
00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,720
Speaker 2: winning basketball team in the time of this collective bargaining

443
00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,199
Speaker 2: right with the second Apron and the eighth Apron and

444
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,000
Speaker 2: all the aprons and whatever. You cannot have a team

445
00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,960
Speaker 2: that has played the way Phoenix has and has the

446
00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:48,159
Speaker 2: salary restrictions they have and just continue to try to

447
00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,840
Speaker 2: make it work with other guys because guys can the contracts,

448
00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,840
Speaker 2: can't get traded, Guys have different you know, things going on.

449
00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,040
Speaker 2: You have to have balance, salary in, salary out all

450
00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,440
Speaker 2: the stuff. You cannot do that anymore. So the thing

451
00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,880
Speaker 2: you have to do is strip down the team, get

452
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,120
Speaker 2: your picks back because they have no first round picks

453
00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,560
Speaker 2: to what twenty thirty one? Is that right, Phoenix, Phoenix, Yeah,

454
00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:13,159
Speaker 2: twenty thirty trade, I mean that's insane. And get some

455
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,400
Speaker 2: of those picks back from the Rockets, by the way,

456
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,440
Speaker 2: who have them. So you control your own fate there.

457
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,159
Speaker 2: And look, I know that trading Devin Booker would be

458
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,320
Speaker 2: a huge hit for them in terms of the fan

459
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,639
Speaker 2: base and just sort of the loyalty factor. And you know,

460
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,360
Speaker 2: Devin iiholizes Kobe. He wants to be the guy who

461
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,199
Speaker 2: plays for one franchise the whole time, and he is

462
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,080
Speaker 2: so wicked talented that you know, if he was surrounded

463
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,560
Speaker 2: by the right pieces. Of course, he's young enough and

464
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,800
Speaker 2: to still win a title and be the best player

465
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,679
Speaker 2: on a championship team. I believe that, But I just

466
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,880
Speaker 2: don't think there will ever be enough pieces around him

467
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,200
Speaker 2: to do that in Phoenix. And he keeps saying, I'm loyal.

468
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:51,639
Speaker 2: You know, I always want to be in Phoenix. I

469
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,159
Speaker 2: always want to be there. If I were him, I

470
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:55,159
Speaker 2: would say, trade me.

471
00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,119
Speaker 1: Put your GM hat on real quick. What would you

472
00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,600
Speaker 1: do with that team? Obviously KD is someone who was

473
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 1: most like he going to be out. You're saying trading

474
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 1: Booker is Beal the one person that kind of has

475
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:06,880
Speaker 1: to stay because of his deal.

476
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 2: Look, it's going to be very interesting to see what

477
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 2: happens with Biale this summer, because what they are hoping

478
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 2: happens is they don't trade Devin Booker because they don't

479
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,920
Speaker 2: want to and book doesn't want to, So I don't

480
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 2: expect that to happen. I just look at what book

481
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,159
Speaker 2: could get if he went on the Rocket If like,

482
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,439
Speaker 2: the Rockets are the perfect fit for him. He is

483
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 2: more on that timeline. He's older than those kids, but

484
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 2: he's still like more in the in.

485
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:32,359
Speaker 1: The age twenty eight Corgett points per game, career playoff average.

486
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 1: It could be at number one option on the best team, on.

487
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 2: One of the best defensive teams in the league. Could

488
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 2: be I mean that start title contending at that point anyway.

489
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 2: But he's not going to ask out. The Sons don't

490
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,119
Speaker 2: want to trade him. The question is Bale, right, So

491
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,360
Speaker 2: they get rid of Kevin. That opens up some salary

492
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 2: and by the way, Kevin also, I think it sounds

493
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 2: like at this point wants to go elsewhere and Beal

494
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,360
Speaker 2: still on your books. Is what's ham stringing so much

495
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:02,199
Speaker 2: because you have no traffics right, So he has the

496
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 2: no trade clause. We know about that. They could do

497
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 2: the wave and stretch thing, but that is still on

498
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,640
Speaker 2: the salary cap in places that are going to hurt them.

499
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 2: They need to see if they can get a trade

500
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 2: partner who just wants him. That is the first problem.

501
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 2: It's not the no trade clause. That's part of it.

502
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 1: Who wants Bradley?

503
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 2: Who would like Bradley Beal on their team at that salary?

504
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 2: So you have to find a team that's willing to

505
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 2: eat some salary because they're rebuilding.

506
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 1: How does Bradley beal thirty one? So he's still young too,

507
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 1: he'll be thirty two in June.

508
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 2: Well, this is what I will say about brad and

509
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 2: I know him really well from him time in Washington, DC,

510
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 2: is he is not anywhere near as bad a player

511
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 2: as he has been made out to be. He is

512
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 2: just not up to that contract between the money and

513
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 2: the no trade clause, and nothing has been fitting in Phoenix.

514
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 2: So he has been the scapegoat because he has sort

515
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 2: of been in this position and he isn't worth that

516
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,120
Speaker 2: much money a year, but he is still an exceptional

517
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 2: guy to have.

518
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,679
Speaker 1: Twenty plus point gay game guy. And that's why I

519
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: think sometimes it can be misleading because he was very

520
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: instrumental in Washington, but they were empty numbers because the

521
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: team was terrible, you know, once John Wall left, so

522
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 1: he was still putting up those solid numbers. Again, I

523
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,880
Speaker 1: don't think and I think Brad Bill's a great play.

524
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a number one option on anybody's team,

525
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: and he's getting paid number one option money. But to

526
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 1: your point, the number decreases, I don't think it's because

527
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 1: of his talent, it's because of just the pieces haven't

528
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: fit right.

529
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 2: And he's not, as you said, he's getting paid number

530
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 2: one money, and people are just so focused on well,

531
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 2: he's not worth it that they forget that he is

532
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 2: worth something, and he's worth quite a bit. Yeah, it's

533
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: just not quite that. So they have to figure out

534
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 2: if they can get someone to take him. Then they

535
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 2: have to go to Brad of course and say, okay,

536
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 2: will you wave you trade caluse to go here. I

537
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 2: think Brad and I have not had this conversation with him.

538
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 2: I just haven't seen him in a couple of months.

539
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 2: But my impression from what he said publicly is that

540
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 2: he would be more ready to take a look at

541
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 2: stuff this summer than he was a trade deadline. You know,

542
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 2: he's got kids, doesn't want to pull in our school

543
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 2: in the middle of the year, all that stuff. And

544
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 2: then they started not playing him right, and the numbers

545
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 2: with him on and off the court were so specific

546
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 2: and remarkable that I think and they started benching him.

547
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: And I just think that he has gotten the message,

548
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 2: and it depends on who wants him. If someone wants him,

549
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 2: and if it's a decent place for him to go

550
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 2: live with his cham start.

551
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 1: Phoenix now and they have such a great fan base

552
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 1: and then a great city to play in, and it's

553
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: just these new owners have come in and done numbers

554
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: on some of these franchises moving along real quick. Boston, Orlando,

555
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: everyone you know pretty much has Boston when thirty people

556
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 1: have Boston coming out of the East. You know, Tatum

557
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 1: went down with the wrist injury. Hopefully he'll be okay.

558
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 1: He had a nice double double. White played really well.

559
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: One thing I wanted to touch on was Pallo and

560
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 1: how we're continuing to have the conversation about the face

561
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 1: of the league and who is going to be the

562
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: American player and we have our greats and Steph and

563
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: Katie and Brawn on the back side of their career,

564
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: and there's names. His name is not being thrown out, Rachel,

565
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 1: but he has been nothing but absolutely incredible. What does

566
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 1: he average twenty nine in the playoff? But I mean

567
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: big six', nine six,' ten, the versatility he's. A dog

568
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: Him and wagner have a nice connection, over there so

569
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: really more, than anything and obviously they'll probably they're going

570
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 1: to get Beat by boston the. First Round but i'm

571
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: a Big, fan apollo and he should definitely be in

572
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: the conversation of faces up the league in the next

573
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: three to.

574
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 2: FIVE years i disagree with you by, The way rookie

575
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 2: Of the year launches you into that conversation from. The

576
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 2: START so i think that if he hadn't gotten hurt,

577
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 2: THIS year i think he would be in more of

578
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: these awards talks and therefore like just kind of in

579
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 2: that conversation more he Plays. In, orlando yeah like it

580
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 2: took a long TIME for nba fans to get Up

581
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 2: on shay yep because he played in the. Smaller market

582
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: orlando is not your typical eight seed, or sorry seven

583
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 2: seed is what they ended up after, the plan right? Seven, seens,

584
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 2: yeah yeah they're not your typical seven seed because if

585
00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: they hadn't had the injuries that they had, this year

586
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 2: they would have been higher up in. The STANDINGS so

587
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 2: i feel like he can make a little bit of

588
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 2: noise in. THESE games i still Think the celtics are gonna,

589
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 2: win HANDILY but i do think that people will see

590
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 2: him in these playoff situations more and.

591
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: More understand his talent and understand what. They, got agreed

592
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: best of luck finalist FOR The nba awards anounced first, Up,

593
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: right yeah Finalist For clutch player Of. The, Year Yes,

594
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: Jalen Brunston, anthony Edwards And. Nicola, yoki yep what do?

595
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 2: You got So My clutch player Of the year Voting was, jalen,

596
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 2: First uh, nicola SECOND and i Actually Put trey. Young.

597
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 1: Third, wow okay.

598
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 2: Because of a. Few things first, of all his clutch numbers.

599
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,360
Speaker 2: Are good his assists numbers in the clutch moments are

600
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 2: obviously leading. The league leads the league in, Assists ANYWAY

601
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 2: but i mean in those, moments PARTICULARLY and i do

602
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: believe that that has. SOME worth i would never have

603
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 2: put him one, or two but to just sort of

604
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 2: signify on my ballot that being clutch in the last

605
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: five minutes of a close game has to do with

606
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 2: more THAN just i scored. The basketball he doesn't get.

607
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: Their respect he deserves the mind Does. Not atlanta he

608
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: needs to get Out. Of ATLANTA but, I agree I

609
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 1: think trey is a killer across. The Board So, JALEN

610
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: brunson I Had, anthony edwards, he.

611
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 2: Did and by, the way he was the other name

612
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: kind of in. The mix why do you?

613
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: Have anything first and, clutch points, yeah first and clutch,

614
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: threes first and.

615
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: Defensive rebounds so that's THE reason i didn't end up

616
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: putting him on the ballot was first, of all when

617
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 2: you talk about, volume numbers that just means the team

618
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 2: is in those. Close games more it's really about clutch percentages,

619
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 2: to me right than the numbers of he is first

620
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 2: in this. Many points and then, in general one Of

621
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 2: the wolf's biggest weaknesses going into these playoffs was they

622
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 2: are terrible in. The clutch they've got to be last

623
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: of any playoff team in. The CLUTCH maybe i don't

624
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: know if some of these seven or, eight seeds but

625
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: like they that is Why the lakers will likely win.

626
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 2: This series on top of everything else we.

627
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: Talked about they're not but, he is and he May

628
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,719
Speaker 1: get he may will his team to a. Couple wins

629
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: the team may not, be Shit but aunt has Has

630
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: really obviously he is.

631
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: A superstar and being good in the clutch will obviously

632
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 2: be part of. His story but, this year with the

633
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 2: way his team, HAS been i couldn't end up putting

634
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 2: him On The About.

635
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: Defensive player Of, the year, you got the Nominees Are, DYSON,

636
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 1: Daniels Yep draymond Green And. Evan mobley this is.

637
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 2: Very hard for Me because Victor webin yama should be

638
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 2: The defensive player of, the.

639
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: Year should be back.

640
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 2: To back and this is one of those SITUATIONS where

641
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: i will ask you if you WERE a gm IN,

642
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 2: the nba would you Rather Have victor webinyama for forty?

643
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: Eight games would you rather have one of these other

644
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 2: guys you just named for sixty?

645
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: EIGHT games i would have to go.

646
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 2: Just, Availability okay so you think that's the biggest.

647
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,959
Speaker 1: DECIDING thing i think that's the biggest thing is because

648
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: we need. That, Consistently okay and, you, know unfortunately, you

649
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: know glad to hear that he's doing well and he'll.

650
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: Be BACK but i thought he could have won it.

651
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: LAST year i thought could have won it. Last year

652
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: obviously him not qualifying. This year my Pick. IS draymond

653
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: i think this is his LAST and i think he

654
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: spoke to. US too i think this is his. Last window,

655
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: you know he's. GETTING older i think he's, thirty five

656
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of young guns coming up that

657
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: aren't even obviously in the. Final three, you Know, lou

658
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: dort one of the Twins, from houston, you know and

659
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: Then Obviously. DYSON daniels i think he's going to grab

660
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: a handful of these awards before he's out of. This

661
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: LEAGUE but i really. Like Him His dyson daniels just

662
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: kind of coming out, of nowhere jumping on. THE scene, i,

663
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 1: mean he, you know moderate numbers, last year but made

664
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: a huge jump points per game and then three steals.

665
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: A game i mean that's serious on the. Defensive end

666
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: so it'll. Be interesting who.

667
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 2: Do You, dyson daniels by, the way is my pick For. Most,

668
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 2: improved okay he was at the top of my ballot. For,

669
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: that okay not only because he has the best nickname

670
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: going IN the nba. Right now you know what, it is.

671
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: Uh huh So.

672
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: He's australian you just mentioned the steals and all the.

673
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: Other Stuff The Great, barrier Thief The Great.

674
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: Barrier thief, come on that's. SO good i don't even

675
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: know He, was australian to be honest. With, you funny.

676
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: So good obviously he was buried On That new, Orleans,

677
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 2: team yes barely saw. The court to be able to

678
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: go and play the way he has, THIS season i

679
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 2: thought that to me was what signified, most improved to

680
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: be able to go from that to that and, not

681
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: be as, you said a top three guy or something.

682
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 2: Like that we can get into that in, a minute

683
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: but THAT'S where I Put. DYSON daniels i did not

684
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: put him On My defense player Of the ear BALLOT

685
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: because i think for all the stuff, HE did i

686
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 2: think other guys. Did MORE so i would have given

687
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 2: Consideration To victor wibinyama if they gave it. To me

688
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: if they gave me. That chance i'm NOT saying i

689
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 2: would have voted. For him but this is one of

690
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: those things about the sixty five game RULE that i

691
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: can't stand because what if he played fifty five games

692
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: and it, was like.

693
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: Would you rather have? Six before he just.

694
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: Didn't, Qualitz no i'm not talking, about That but i'm just, saying,

695
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: that like what if it was because, We did by,

696
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: the way have guys. Like that what is? The NUMBER

697
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: the nba has said it as. Sixty Five if i'm a,

698
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: general manager there are certain transcendent guys in the league

699
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: you would, take LESS but i would take a less

700
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 2: of but to have them on my team for a

701
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: certain amount.

702
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: Of, Time yeah and so, you're saying what is?

703
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 2: THAT number i don't know what that number.

704
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: Isn't enough out of. Eighty TWO but i get what.

705
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: You're saying is it somewhere in, the fifties? Right, that

706
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: okay this is not for.

707
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 2: Those, guys YEAH but I mean Victor, WEB special i

708
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: think is going to be a top ten player of.

709
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: All time i'm not mad. At that so who is

710
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: who is your pick? For Defense?

711
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 2: Evan Mobley Evan, mobley, OKAY yeah, i know.

712
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: Super, TALENTED yeah i mean can.

713
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: Guard one through five in the end In A Victor

714
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: webin yama vacuum that, to me, and look, best team,

715
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 2: you know wire to wire In The eastern conference for,

716
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: a while best team in. The league he anchors, that

717
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 2: defense the way he has grown as a player in,

718
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: THAT respect i, just think, you know, to me when

719
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 2: you look, at choices none of which to me have. Complete,

720
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: Cases frankly, oh yeah, You know draymond was on, My

721
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: ballot but, you know if you look at the first

722
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,959
Speaker 2: chunk of the season and mom was not playing at.

723
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 2: This level and we do have a little bit of

724
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: recency bias when it comes to, these awards but, in

725
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: theory every third of the season matters the same.

726
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: Agreed most improved and this is going to be. A

727
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: Conversation Obviously cad dyson And Then, ivan zubat who would you.

728
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: Pick up i'm stuck BECAUSE obviously i Love what kate

729
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: has been able to do for not only himself but,

730
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: this franchise you know them and obviously bigger staff been

731
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: able to kind of bring, this this this team out

732
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: of the gutter and, make them, you know a formulable.

733
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: Playoff team but at the, same time you're the number. One,

734
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: pick yeah you KNOW what, I mean SO obviously i

735
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: kind of look at that a. Little different no knock,

736
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: on him but you're supposed to be, the man and

737
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: he's been, the man like the no knock on it, this,

738
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: like oh this is crazy HE'S been i think last

739
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: year was what twenty four game and this year's. TWENTY

740
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: seven i was, gonna, say yeah so he's he's been really.

741
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: GOOD consistently i like everything you Said About, dyson daniels,

742
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: you know kind of being buried and then finding his Way.

743
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: With ATLANTA but i think someone that no one talks

744
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: ABOUT in. La too there's always, you know such big,

745
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: names stars but zubots what he's quietly been able, to

746
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: do not just just, a year but the last few

747
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: years is being a consistent double. DOUBLE guy i think

748
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: he's at nearly seventeen and thirteen a game and in

749
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: an old school with the new, school twist but like

750
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: postplay is kind, of gone and he's someone that can

751
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: be and he's not a, Liability EITHER like, i said

752
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: he plays complete games for. This TEAM so I think

753
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: i would Go with zubots to be honest, with you

754
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: Despite what kid has been able, to do and what

755
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: Despite what dyson has been able, to DO because i

756
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: think he's he's someone On that clipper team that has

757
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: been consistent and. Definitely.

758
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: Overlooked, WELL look i had all three of the finalists on,

759
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: MY ballot i just had them in a slightly. Different

760
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 2: ORDER so I Had dyson daniels. NUMBER one I had zubos.

761
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: Number two what are, We Saying, Zubach Zubots.

762
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: Zuba, zubots yes oh It's, Not ivan i'm making up

763
00:33:51,840 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 1: names over here Or Via, Big Zoo, big zoo and Then, YOU.

764
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 2: Yeah I had kate THIRD because i DO think i

765
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: agree with you, that again that third place on my

766
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 2: ballot is OFTEN where i FEEL like i want to

767
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 2: give someone recognition without giving them enough points to win.

768
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 2: The award and that's the way the awards. Are tabulated

769
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 2: you get like five points for first, place votes three

770
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: points for second, place votes one point for third. Place

771
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 2: votes so by giving someone my third, Place vote i'm

772
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 2: never really tipping the scales for them out of one.

773
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 2: Hundred voters i'm just saying from my sense, OF who

774
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 2: i thought this was the best. THE season i thought

775
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 2: he deserved the third spot on.

776
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: That ballot coach Of The Year, chinny atkinson who smartly

777
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: Declined the charlotte job and Stayed With golden state one

778
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 1: a year and Got. TO. Cleveland, jb yeah someone who's

779
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: some people say was unjustly fired and then landed on

780
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: his Feet in detroit and helped bring them out. The

781
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: slums and Then, e may one of the best coaches in,

782
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: the game got, a young hungry team that has kind

783
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 1: of taken on his mentality as, a COACH which.

784
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 2: I love what do, You, GOT well I have KENNY

785
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: and jb one. AND two i did give the third

786
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: Spot to tyleru and it was HARD because i thought

787
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: there were a couple worthy. Worthy Candidates he may would

788
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 2: definitely have been fourth on. My list, You, know look.

789
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: It's hard, everyone's, like Well Where's. Mark dagno and, you

790
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: know he did win the award when he took a

791
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: very young team and they made that big leap that

792
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: we're talking About with detroit And. EVEN cleveland i think

793
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: when you have the level of guys on your team

794
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: that he has at, This point i'm not sure coaching

795
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: is the. Main factor it is, a factor it is

796
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 2: not the. Main factor so that's why he was on.

797
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 2: My ballot, HE may, i think will win, this award possibly.

798
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 2: Next YEAR but i, THINK again I think tyleru is.

799
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: CRAZY underrated i think what happened To the clippers this

800
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 2: year is a Testament To, James yes zubats to a

801
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 2: lesser Degree and tyler, no question and to hold that

802
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: team together and get them to fifty wins was a

803
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 2: little bit of magic that deserved to me the. Third

804
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 2: place something.

805
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: About it i'm not mad At that i'm Stuck between

806
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: kenny AND. And jb obviously the win increase for, both

807
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: SIDES but i just LOOK at jb and kind of

808
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: pumping life back into a. Lifeless team, You know detroit's

809
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: been at the bottom for, a while but They've could

810
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: they've slowly but surely been, putting young quality, pieces together

811
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: and they've seem like they have a coach at the

812
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,959
Speaker 1: players believing and they're going to ride for and they're.

813
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: Moving now so and they added some good vets this.

814
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 2: YEAR too i thought that was really key because you

815
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 2: know that. That, knowledge yeah it's underrated in.

816
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: The.

817
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 2: League man we just.

818
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 1: Talked about we talked about That With reggie miller about

819
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: just how important. VETERANS are, i mean that's what we

820
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: can go on for ten minutes. About that, but, YEAH

821
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: no i agree that they've strategically made some nice moves

822
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: and put themselves in a position to obviously be in.

823
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: The playoffs so.

824
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question as, a player how

825
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 2: much different is it to get from twenty wins to

826
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 2: forty wins versus getting that last forty to?

827
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: Fifty, wins YEAH it's i think that last forty to

828
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: fifty is a, Harder, jump like you got to be

829
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: a really good team to get. Fifty, wins yes to

830
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: be fifty wins in. This league, BUT also i mean

831
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: it's not easy to pull a shitty team into, the

832
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: playoffs you KNOW what. I mean so it's, just LIKE

833
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: and i don't mean shitty in a disrespectful they just

834
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: haven't been good in a. Long time BUT like, i

835
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: said you you can see in the past few Years

836
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: what detroit has been, building towards and it's finally we're

837
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: starting to see. That product, absolutely yeah.

838
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 2: And some people will give it The COACH theater jb

839
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: because they feel like he gets a slice Of that

840
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: cleveland success, To right, we'll see there's no.

841
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: Wrong answer, fairly last but, not LEAST. The, Mvp obviously

842
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: giannis can be in The con there's guys that could

843
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: be in the conversation. Every, year yeah, You, know STEPH,

844
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: could Kd could Lebron could lebron's on that backside, of

845
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 1: that but, you know obviously numbers and playing the right amount.

846
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: Of games And then giannis is another guy that every

847
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: single year will be in. That CONVERSATION but i think

848
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: it's really a two man race In between Shay.

849
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 2: And ic there's no bad answer, here EITHER and i

850
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: think it's. Really interesting this was one of the hart

851
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: Artist's decisions i've ever had to make as, a Voter

852
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 2: and i've been voting for more than. A decade there

853
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: is such hair splitting that you have to do to

854
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: decide which category is more important to you because their

855
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 2: numbers across the board are just rockstar and every. EVERY way,

856
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 2: I mean yoka literally doing things we've never, Seen, before shay,

857
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: you know having a more complete argument in some cases

858
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: with both sides of. The, ball nicola, you know being

859
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: so exhausted by carrying that entire team that apparently was

860
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: such a mess they fired both the coach AND.

861
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: THE gm, I mean nicola has better numbers this year

862
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: THAN his mvp years in.

863
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 2: The past by, the way So, does janis who's the

864
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 2: third guy on. That list jannis can sit there and

865
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 2: say this is THE best i have, ever PLAYED and

866
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: i have MVPs in. My closet what?

867
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: The? Fuck?

868
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: Man, Yeah right what do.

869
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: You think it is? With this do you think it

870
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: sometimes you've voted for over. A decade do you think

871
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: people get? Voter FATIGUE or i.

872
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: ACTUALLY don't I think i think that is something fans

873
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 2: have kind of made up for why you didn't vote for.

874
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: THEIR guy i don't know anyone on that. VOTING panel

875
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: i don't know any of my who are not Dazzled By,

876
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 2: nikolai jokich who will not tell you they think he

877
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: is the best Player. ON earth i think that just

878
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: The way, james said that's kind of consensus, among players

879
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: but that's different from who SHOULD. Win mvp, HARDEN said

880
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: i think that across, the board this voting panel will

881
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 2: tell You That nikola jokic is the best Player. On

882
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 2: earth it's just how much of that did he deliver

883
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: this season compared To what shaye delivered. This SEASON and

884
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 2: i think what my prediction is that the voting totals

885
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 2: won't be as close as the. Vote was AND what

886
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,959
Speaker 2: i mean by, THAT is i think that Every voter

887
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: i've talked to took it down to the wire of,

888
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 2: the wire some cases to the last hour the voting,

889
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: was opened because it was just so hard to make

890
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: that decision and it was such a. Tiny difference but

891
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 2: those tiny differences from THE voters i talked to and

892
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 2: some of the polls that are out there seem to

893
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,959
Speaker 2: have Leaned. Towards SHAY so i think you Will see

894
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: shaye winning by more than fifty. ONE percent i think

895
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: it could even be as high as sixty sixty. Five

896
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: percent but that doesn't reflect close the fact that for

897
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 2: a lot, of voters for, most voters it was really a,

898
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 2: you know forty nine point eight and fifty point. Two,

899
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 2: split no.

900
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: THAT'S incredible, i Mean and shay has been like, you

901
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: said there's no wrong answer what he's been able to

902
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: do and continue to develop. His game and my favorite

903
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 1: Thing about okay see is that team is. A, unit

904
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 1: yeah and you can tell they're. A unit they, celebrate

905
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: together they go up and. DOWN together, I mean i really.

906
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: Like that and can this be the year that you

907
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: know they're they're paying their dues finally. Pays, off well

908
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: who would you have? VOTED for I think i, Would

909
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: AGREE like, i said it's hard to Look past jokic

910
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: because he is. So incredible as numbers are better across,

911
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: the board he HAS to i feel like he has

912
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: to carry it obviously a heavier Load. Than shaye but

913
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: at the, same time you Can't fault shade for a

914
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: young and up and coming team that he's the leader

915
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: of that night in. Night OUT so i Would pick.

916
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: Shay two, BUT again i think to, your Point into,

917
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: james's point there's a difference between the best player in

918
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: the world AND, the mvp and maybe the legal start

919
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: listening and make.

920
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 2: It just, say yeah that was one of.

921
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: THE lt, i mean but both again both And again jannis.

922
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: Incredible season we haven't Talked about giannis. As much milwaukee's

923
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: kind of floating under the raidar On The, eastern Conference

924
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 1: and dame's heard and they might, get Bumped but jannice

925
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: every single year can be on, that, List.

926
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: Absolutely and that's a case where they really need to

927
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: take stock this summer of that team because there's a

928
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: lot of pieces on that team that are frankly aged

929
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: out of being championship Level and giannis deserves a championship.

930
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: Level team we've heard rumbles though that for a bigger Market.

931
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: For yiannis AND obviously i know, he's loyal, you know

932
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: similar to way the booker, is loyal but, you know

933
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: to to he's done everything you can do for that FRANCHISE.

934
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: One MVPs he's brought them. A championship just being able

935
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 1: to attract Players to milwaukee is not the attrack players

936
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: that any small markets. Not, easy yeah, you, know okay

937
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: he was able, to homegrown build and get trades to get.

938
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: Their players so it's just like to get a free

939
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: agent to come play with him is, not, likely Yeah,

940
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 1: In milwaukee so it'd be interesting.

941
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: To SEE but i think that eventually we May see, yannis,

942
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: DECIDE hey i want to go. Somewhere else, You Know

943
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: new york is always in, that, conversation right and he

944
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 2: probably every once in, a while, you know. He's playful

945
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 2: every once in a while he'll, be, like oh what

946
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 2: did he say earlier? THIS year i think all the

947
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,919
Speaker 2: foreign players should play in. BIG markets i think someone

948
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: asked HIM about i might be getting, this wrong but,

949
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 2: about Like is yokich not getting as much recognition because

950
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 2: he's a non dvor. OR something i, don't know but

951
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: he's said oshe he was, JUST like i think all

952
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 2: the foreign players should play in. Big markets and he

953
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:31,959
Speaker 2: throws stuff like that out there once in. A WHILE

954
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 2: but i will, say this he wanted ding and they

955
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 2: went out and. Got ding he wanted to make. That

956
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 2: switch so the Fact that drew isn't there anymore and

957
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 2: you can, see it And that dame, got hurt, you

958
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 2: know obviously That's not yannis's Fault or dame's fault that

959
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 2: he has the deep. Vein THROMBOSIS but i Don't think

960
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 2: yannis is the type of guy to then turn around

961
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: this summer and, be, Like yeah. I'm bouncing you did

962
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 2: EXACTLY what. I, Wanted no and, you know by, the

963
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 2: way the last time his contract was up previous to

964
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 2: this one where they went And got dame was when

965
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 2: they went And. Got drew so they have been responsive.

966
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 2: To him But he ganis was injured, Last postseason dame

967
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 2: the last. Two postseasons, so again he's not the kind

968
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 2: of guy to me to right now, Say oh i'm out. Of,

969
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: here YEAH but i. DON'T think i. DON'T think i

970
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: think he may end up BEING. LIKE kg i think

971
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: that he might be there for a really long time

972
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 2: and then maybe realize at some point that this is.

973
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 2: What's best and, you know at some point fans do agree.

974
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: WITH you i think when you give everything to a

975
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 2: franchise and, Fancy, that okay it's not going to, happen

976
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 2: here they want you to go win. That, title, now

977
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 2: obviously to, varying degrees, You Know boston raybork was probably

978
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 2: the one the most where fans were, just, like yeah you,

979
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 2: go ahead go go. Do that but to varying degrees

980
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: people will. Do UNDERSTAND so i. DON'T know i will

981
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: say one thing and this will get me a lot

982
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 2: of flak on, the internet but is what. IT is

983
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 2: I think yan has had an. EXCEPTIONAL season i think

984
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 2: that that team did not coalesce around Him and dame

985
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 2: THE way i would have. Expected TO and I Think

986
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 2: jason tatum is UNDERRATED and i do not think that

987
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 2: that team. He was, you, know look there has been

988
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 2: questions both of those two guys, Whole career Brown. And tatum,

989
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 2: Who's better, Who's this? WHO'S that i, YOU know i

990
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: think it was right To give BROWN the mvp For

991
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 2: the finals, last YEAR but I think tatum has clearly

992
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 2: been more of the contributor to this team, this year

993
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 2: on a team that we are all picking to win the.

994
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 2: Finals again AND while I think janis had an, EXCEPTIONAL

995
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 2: season I think mvp is about a little bit more

996
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 2: than just what numbers did you? Put Up and tatum's

997
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 2: leadership on that team and the way he has been

998
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 2: the fulcrum of that team and steady and by the way.

999
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 2: He plays what has been his availability this season a.

1000
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 2: Lot thing so, to me he was third on.

1001
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: My ballot i'm not mad. At that and if you

1002
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: look at we talked about this a couple of, shows

1003
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: ago if you look at Credentials from Shay, and tatum

1004
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 1: they're the. SAME. Age yea by, The Way, jason tatum

1005
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: shit is off, the, charts yes and we no one

1006
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: can figure out when, you know, You know, paul said

1007
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: because He's, in boston everyone hates. To sell, to me

1008
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: it has to, be more because there's no way a

1009
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: guy that is that talented and does everything right doesn't

1010
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: get the respect. HE deserves i think it.

1011
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: IS more i. ACTUALLY think, I mean boston's a, big

1012
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 2: market and we've had popular players from, big Markets including. Boston,

1013
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 2: Before Right larry bird got a lot of national.

1014
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: He said because Everyone.

1015
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: Hates, boston well THAT'S what, i mean even though they've Been. In,

1016
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 2: boston huh we, get through, get, Through right and you

1017
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,479
Speaker 2: don't even have to go as far Back As, larry,

1018
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 2: Bird RIGHT so, i think, You know paul, certainly himself,

1019
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 2: you know engendered a lot. OF netlove kg is a

1020
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 2: lot of people's favorite player and they all played in One.

1021
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: In boston and he's a pretty skin light boy with

1022
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: the rock star girlfriend and he has they have they

1023
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: have a, kid together and, you know it's JUST that i,

1024
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: DON'T know i don't know what. It is he's too

1025
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: good not to get the at LEAST the i know

1026
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: is peers. Respect HIM but i feel like the media

1027
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: doesn't respect him. As much as.

1028
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: THEY should i think people don't know. HIM enough i

1029
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 2: think his. Personality reality he's a. Great guy SO when

1030
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 2: i say, his personality there's something.

1031
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: Wrong with This personal he just hasn't shown.

1032
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: THE world i just don't think he's an extrovert in

1033
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 2: the Way That andy edwards is or some of these other.

1034
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: GUYS are i Mean, even shay who has like a.

1035
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 2: QUIETER demeanor i mean the.

1036
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: Way he dresses you still more sides.

1037
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 2: Of him he's, got. Swag right tatum is a, you

1038
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 2: know he goes, to work does his job. Incredibly nice

1039
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 2: he is a. Good guy he's a. Great father he's

1040
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 2: been a great example. Of FATHERHOOD and i just don't

1041
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: think people know him. Well ENOUGH and i think if

1042
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 2: he ever decides to let people get into his personality a,

1043
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: LITTLE more i think that that affection.

1044
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: Will come we'll figure. It out He's Still First TEAM. All,

1045
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: nba yeah. Oh yeah these awards will be announced, this

1046
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: week Starting with expand Of the Year. On, tuesday rachel

1047
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: thank you for. Your time it's always, a pleasure and

1048
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: we will catch up again before this.

1049
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,439
Speaker 2: Is, over, all Right Come back player Of. The year

1050
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: just remember we might need.

1051
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: It Back Come back claier Of the year before we

1052
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: get out. Of HERE the, la community in the basketball community,

1053
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 1: in particular loss to a landmark this. Past week rest

1054
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: in peace to Our Brother. Mike law great, basketball mind

1055
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 1: been around the game, for years but an even. Better

1056
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: person in a DAY where au is slimy and trashy

1057
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: and vindictive and just not a, Good Space mike law

1058
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 1: was a breath of fresh air and he will dearly.

1059
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: Be missed rest, In. Peace mike that's a wrap. Front

1060
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: plug you can catch us on All The smoke productions

1061
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: YouTube And The. DraftKings network we'll see you guys. Next

1062
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 1: week