Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to the Renee Stubs Tennis podcast.
Speaker 1: It is that time we get to wrap up roam
Speaker 1: and we get to talk about the upcoming tournament called
Speaker 1: the French Open or is it now Roland Garross? What
Speaker 1: are they calling it? You know who wasn't happy about it?
Speaker 2: Shaquille o'niel's calling at the French Open? No, did you know?
Speaker 1: It was Charles Barclay who was given it the ship
Speaker 1: Charles Barker was like, why would you change it from
Speaker 1: the from French Open to Rolling Girls? Nobody knows who
Speaker 1: rolling girls?
Speaker 2: I'm not calling at that.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's not a good way to get
Speaker 1: off on the T and T foot And.
Speaker 2: The other guy was like, uh, we won't be using
Speaker 2: that as our broadcasting. Just a ting jingle for the
Speaker 2: upcoming coverage, and which is hilarious. They have so many commentators,
Speaker 2: but they didn't pick all the good ones.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I'm not gonna stay out of that eye.
Speaker 2: I mean, it wasn't dying about you. I was just
Speaker 2: talking about the other guy.
Speaker 1: I still out of that argument. Although if anyone is
Speaker 1: listening to our podcasts, and who does work for Warner HBO,
Speaker 1: Max who knows, people who know people, let them know.
Speaker 1: I'd I'd love to do the French open for them.
Speaker 2: It just feels like my rule, this is my rule,
Speaker 2: this is Marinee's rule, but my rule is yes.
Speaker 1: I just want to preface this. I had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with whatever's coming out of her mouth.
Speaker 2: I just think it is time for us to assess,
Speaker 2: especially when a new network gets a new gets a
Speaker 2: new coverage of a slam. Yeah, it's time for us
Speaker 2: to assess, like, hey, who are the people who are
Speaker 2: already in the field doing great? Who are some new
Speaker 2: voices we can emphasize. I was thrilled to see that
Speaker 2: they got Chris Eubanks. I was, Yes, that's Salon Stevens
Speaker 2: will joined their coverage under Agacy whenever he dropped by
Speaker 2: the booth, which is not often but every time, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: He's going to do two or three days. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: doubt he's saying with Venus. I don't know how much
Speaker 1: Venus is going to do. I think Venus is apparently
Speaker 1: from what I'm hearing, I don't know, actually, but from
Speaker 1: what I've heard, she's doing some features and stuff, not
Speaker 1: really necess are really commentating. I don't know we'll find out.
Speaker 2: I'll watch Venus do literally anything. I just think my
Speaker 2: rule is, if you haven't played or coached, played or
Speaker 2: coached at the pro level in this century, maybe.
Speaker 1: In this century. That's what I'm saying. This century.
Speaker 2: It's pretty wide ranging. I leave a lot of room.
Speaker 1: I haven't made it into this century.
Speaker 2: You've both played and coached in this century? Yes, I
Speaker 2: just think there is a there is a benefit to
Speaker 2: being to staying close to the game, either as a no,
Speaker 2: it's not where as a coach. I think maybe some
Speaker 2: of the voices that have not played the century or
Speaker 2: coach can just you know, they got enough money.
Speaker 1: Like what do we do?
Speaker 2: I just, you know, let's make some room for some
Speaker 2: new uh from new voices.
Speaker 1: Anyway, again, asterisk next to that, I had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with even we didn't even talk about this. We
Speaker 1: have our little thing that we're going to talk about,
Speaker 1: and that did not come up. So for anyone who
Speaker 1: listens to our podcast who is working for A T
Speaker 1: and T wanna, it was not made that brought that up.
Speaker 1: But then again, I am I'm.
Speaker 2: Going to watch all of it, and I am he
Speaker 2: excited about some voices and not excited about it.
Speaker 1: I will say this, and this might be a little controversial,
Speaker 1: and I might get in trouble for this, but what's
Speaker 1: fucking new in the world of Rene stops when it
Speaker 1: comes to the one liners. But I love Jimmy Arius,
Speaker 1: and I really there's certain people on Tennis channel that
Speaker 1: I actually when I listen to them, I go, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, that makes sense or whatever. And some of
Speaker 1: the content text is really good.
Speaker 2: But.
Speaker 1: Boy, oh boy, he was talking over the points a
Speaker 1: lot in Rome and listen again, I am not perfect.
Speaker 1: There are certain things about my commentary that I watch myself,
Speaker 1: and I am hard on my soul and my oh geez,
Speaker 1: I talked too much there. I probably could have pulled
Speaker 1: out there. YadA, YadA, yadda. But one rule I have is,
Speaker 1: even if I'm in the middle of a conversation, I
Speaker 1: will stop before the start of the point. And you know,
Speaker 1: if anyone says I don't do that, that is crap.
Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in not talking over the point.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: I might talk in between first and second serves every
Speaker 1: now and again, but that's rare as well. But I
Speaker 1: don't know what was going on him and Mark Petchy
Speaker 1: would just having a waffle on for a lot of
Speaker 1: the points that were going on. I'm like, guys, you've
Speaker 1: got to have more discipline than that. Your context and
Speaker 1: what you're saying was awesome. Everything that was saying was right,
Speaker 1: Everything they said was good. Both of them are great,
Speaker 1: But you got to have better discipline. You can't talk
Speaker 1: over the point. It really it really bothered me this time,
Speaker 1: Like I was like, okay, once I can handle it. Okay,
Speaker 1: twice we've all done it. Maybe we want to get
Speaker 1: that point out. It kind of sounds dumb to just
Speaker 1: stop in the middle of this particular comment, but it
Speaker 1: happened over and over and over again, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what is happening? Are they having seizures? It was bothering me.
Speaker 1: It bothered me a lot this time.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no shortage of critiques and kudos that
Speaker 2: we can spread and sprinkle around the contrary because Mark.
Speaker 1: Petchy's like him. Both him and they were spot on
Speaker 1: with their analysis. They were great with the analysis, but guys,
Speaker 1: you got to you can't talk over the points. It
Speaker 1: was pissing me off. And sometimes it happens when you
Speaker 1: were calling from a booth in another country, like I've
Speaker 1: done the Olympics from Connecticut and I'm calling it in Tokyo,
Speaker 1: I'm calling in Brazil or whatever.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Last one was in Paris. There are times we have
Speaker 1: a time lag and the same thing happens to us
Speaker 1: in Australia. We have a bit of a time lag
Speaker 1: with it going back to Connecticut and coming back to Australia,
Speaker 1: and so we have to be really conscious of like
Speaker 1: getting our words out because the points already started. But
Speaker 1: in the States the point hasn't finished. It's like it's
Speaker 1: not easy to do it right. But they were in Rome,
Speaker 1: they were actually there, so they were watching the match live.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, there is no excuses for you guys
Speaker 1: to be talking over the point.
Speaker 2: I feel like with commentary lessu's more. If I noticed
Speaker 2: the commentary, I want it to be insane film. Then
Speaker 2: I don't want to think about it again. I wanted
Speaker 2: to only enhance my viewing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really, That's why I like Lindsay Davenport so much.
Speaker 1: I think Lindsay's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she does a great job. Yeah, and she's commentating. Okay,
Speaker 2: So friend Jubin has started actually the qualifying matches and.
Speaker 1: It was on Max, so if you have Max you
Speaker 1: can see even callfying.
Speaker 2: Which is really cool. I watched Bibi Undrescue when her
Speaker 2: first round, yes, in a very tidy fashion. I think
Speaker 2: it was yesterday morning. And uh yeah, I've been watching Strasbourg.
Speaker 2: Watched Little Out of Canu this morning playing Daria. Kassakina
Speaker 2: got her first win in four tries over Daria. Just
Speaker 2: I love tennis. I love that it's on. I love
Speaker 2: that it's on in the morning, and the French Open
Speaker 2: is and pon us I'm so excited. Yeah, let's wrap
Speaker 2: up Rome because most people think about Rome, and we've
Speaker 2: talked a lot about the clear seasons so far. We
Speaker 2: talked about Monto Carlo, we talked about Barcelona, obviously Madrid
Speaker 2: which had both the men's and women's, but really the
Speaker 2: precursor and the best indicator is Rome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've always said it. It's always been for me
Speaker 1: the best indicator of you know, it's just very similar
Speaker 1: the conditions to Paris. So for the fact that we
Speaker 1: saw Carlos and Paulini is really interesting because you think
Speaker 1: about it, you've got last year's winner in the men's
Speaker 1: and then you've got the last year's finalists who was
Speaker 1: probably absolutely out of her mind going into that final
Speaker 1: last year, going what the air am I doing here?
Speaker 1: But this year, look out, little Jazzy, and you know
Speaker 1: how I feel about Jasmine.
Speaker 2: You have been on I'm on the Paulini train since
Speaker 2: well before last year's French Opens, certainly well before last
Speaker 2: year's Wimbledon and last year's Olympics. She's got a lot
Speaker 2: of points to defend, and now it's looking like, hey,
Speaker 2: totally feasible scrambling around takes.
Speaker 1: She just got a thousand points this way.
Speaker 2: I gotta say, and we should talk a little bit
Speaker 2: about EGA in this coming tournament, because now that EGA's
Speaker 2: ranking puts her out of the top four, she's not
Speaker 2: going to be seated in the top four, which means
Speaker 2: she's going to be in somebody dangerous' quarter of the draw,
Speaker 2: which is in and of itself interesting. But I got
Speaker 2: to say, like, yeah, to your point, Paulini going into
Speaker 2: the final of Roland Garros last year against Ego, who's
Speaker 2: won it so many times, starts to look a little different.
Speaker 2: Now that Paulini has gotten this not only single title,
Speaker 2: but also doubles title at home in front of a
Speaker 2: home crowd in Rome, just like so so so excited.
Speaker 1: Back to back. They won the doubles last year as well,
Speaker 1: and so they got another win there. It kind of
Speaker 1: feels like, you know, the French, where she did so
Speaker 1: well at the French was she won the doubles and
Speaker 1: then she losing the finals of the doubles of the French.
Speaker 1: So she won I think she wanted last year, or
Speaker 1: if she didn't, she was definitely in the final. So
Speaker 1: she's gone back to back, you know finals there. Look,
Speaker 1: she plays great on clay, her variety, her not missing,
Speaker 1: she has a great serve, a great kickserve, and so
Speaker 1: and she is teeny tiny, peeny piece.
Speaker 2: It's gonna say she moves so well because she anticipates
Speaker 2: really well, and even though she's little, she moves around
Speaker 2: the court so well. And she gets around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she gets around. She's a great mover. She slides
Speaker 1: really well on clay. She utilizes that ability so well.
Speaker 1: But she pops the ball too. She really clocks the forehand,
Speaker 1: she hits a big backhand. There are so many things
Speaker 1: about this particular match that showed you how important it
Speaker 1: is to have such good technique on every shot. And
Speaker 1: not only that, she has this joy about her that
Speaker 1: is so infectious. Like there was one particular shot where
Speaker 1: she slid up to a Coco hit a really good
Speaker 1: little drop shot and she hustled her ass up to
Speaker 1: this ball and she slid to it. And sometimes you
Speaker 1: slide so much, you actually slide like out of your
Speaker 1: not out of your shoe, but you slip and fall.
Speaker 1: And she fell on the ground. Didn't hurt herself, She
Speaker 1: just kind of fell on her butt, and she was
Speaker 1: she was smiling through the slide. She she smiled, smiled.
Speaker 1: After she fell, she looked at Coco, gave her the
Speaker 1: thumbs up, went to the towel, looked over her. People smiled, laughed,
Speaker 1: and it was actually a massive point in the match.
Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, Oh my god, if I'd
Speaker 1: only had that joy, Like everything is a joy for her.
Speaker 1: Even when she was she'd get a little bit tight
Speaker 1: or not, she would step up, she was smiling. She's
Speaker 1: just I have I have loved this kid forever, Like
Speaker 1: I told you, I saw her play for the first
Speaker 1: time in Prague at a really small like one twenty five.
Speaker 1: It was during COVID times, and I remember her playing
Speaker 1: collies at this tournament. I was like Who is this kid?
Speaker 1: She's so good, there's not a weakness. She had. Backhand's great,
Speaker 1: forehand looks good, serves good. Wow, she hits the ball well,
Speaker 1: she moves well. Why is why's she in qualifying? That's
Speaker 1: what I thought. And then slowly over time she has
Speaker 1: just chipped away, chipped away a lot of work with
Speaker 1: her coach, Ronzo Fulan, and now has a new coach
Speaker 1: in her, which I thought was an interesting move because
Speaker 1: she had been with Ferland for years and years and
Speaker 1: years and had stuck with him forever, and then she
Speaker 1: had a change and is now with Mark Lopez. Of course,
Speaker 1: of Ruffia and Nadal fame. Who was you know, Ruffia
Speaker 1: and Nadal's doubles partner when he won the gold medal
Speaker 1: doubles at whatever Olympics it was. And then he was
Speaker 1: with Rafa in his coaching box sort of helping as
Speaker 1: a hitting partner. Played a lot of doubles with Rafa.
Speaker 1: I mean, what a great person to have in your
Speaker 1: player's box now and teaching you and new things and
Speaker 1: work ethic and all that. And Ronzo Furlan was a
Speaker 1: great player himself. But then you sort of get a
Speaker 1: little bit stale you're hearing the same thing, and so
Speaker 1: many great coaches, Darren K. Hill will say the maximum
Speaker 1: that you should work with somebody's probably four or five years,
Speaker 1: because at some point you're just you're telling them the
Speaker 1: same thing and you need afresh and she has gotten
Speaker 1: that from Mark. She was not well at the side
Speaker 1: of the year and now all of a sudden, bom
Speaker 1: wins the biggest tournament of her career.
Speaker 2: But you know, and didn't have a waltz to get
Speaker 2: there either. I mean she beat a red hot Peyton
Speaker 2: Stearns who had taken out tons of everyone. Madison, he's
Speaker 2: Elenis Videlina.
Speaker 1: I think, I don't know. But she made a couple
Speaker 1: of Grand Slam champions back to.
Speaker 2: Back, and uh, you know her she had a Diana
Speaker 2: Schneider and a tight three setter, like you know, she
Speaker 2: had a she had a she battled, she battled.
Speaker 1: She battled away, and she was playing doubles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she played a ton of ton of tennis and
Speaker 2: she battled really well. I do want to talk about
Speaker 2: some of the before we talk about the Coco Final.
Speaker 2: I do want to talk about two exceptional matches that
Speaker 2: I thought were probably like contenders of matches of the year,
Speaker 2: which is Coco taking out Chenuen Jung seven six and
Speaker 2: the third Oh my god, that was one of my
Speaker 2: favorite favorite matches ever for ever in the semi and
Speaker 2: that was just a brutal but incredible showing on the
Speaker 2: part of Coco.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that showed Coco's resilience as well as
Speaker 1: I've ever seen because you know, and and it also
Speaker 1: showed Chinwin's vulnerability because she had that match. She should
Speaker 1: have won that mad at the end and Coco had chances,
Speaker 1: she didn't get it done. And then chin Win had
Speaker 1: her chances and she didn't get it done, and then
Speaker 1: got into a tie break and I think it was
Speaker 1: four two in the tiebreak, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you really saw a chin When really get nervous and
Speaker 1: she stopped attacking the ball and she got way passive.
Speaker 1: And that's where Coco was like, because Coco's very observant
Speaker 1: out there, she saw, she saw an opportunity to jump
Speaker 1: on that, and she jumped on it and she was
Speaker 1: aggressive and she got back into that tie break and
Speaker 1: then Chinwin just went era eerror. It was crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she fell a home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she fell apart. And that that's a little concerning
Speaker 1: because really Coco's the one with the pressure on her
Speaker 1: there you you got to step it and finish that match. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they play really similar. They do play really so
Speaker 1: I heavy four hands, flat backhands, and.
Speaker 2: They both have no problem going to the high looper,
Speaker 2: which I thought was interesting, like seeing those guys both
Speaker 2: max it out and I went not on Clay it's
Speaker 2: smart and Chinwin had just come through and beaten Sabolenka
Speaker 2: in the first try. I mean, granted, it's a lot
Speaker 2: easier on Clay in Rome than it is the other
Speaker 2: times they've played each other on that courts, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I thought that was really chin One's match to lose.
Speaker 2: In credit to Coco, I think really just getting a
Speaker 2: hugely confidence inspiring like battle, yeah, to get to get
Speaker 2: through it. And I think that's something that I think
Speaker 2: you're right. She's not only very observant, but she's so
Speaker 2: match tough that even as you were saying, like Paolini's technique,
Speaker 2: she's so so good. Pauline's technique is so much better
Speaker 2: than Coco's, but Coco's just got so much fight in
Speaker 2: her and I think that that is what makes for
Speaker 2: a really sort of compelling, you know, matchup in that
Speaker 2: in that way.
Speaker 1: I think that you know, Chinwin and Coco played the
Speaker 1: most similar to each other on tour. They both have heavy,
Speaker 1: top spinny fourhands. They can go off at times. Particularly
Speaker 1: we know Coco's backhand is flat and really good. Cocos
Speaker 1: is better, her back end is much better, but Genuine's forehand,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, is much better. And the second the
Speaker 1: serves are a little bit all over the place as well.
Speaker 1: They're big when they're going in, they're working, they're awesome.
Speaker 1: When they're off, they're off. That both of them can
Speaker 1: double fault. I mean, we saw it over and over
Speaker 1: and over and over and over and over and over
Speaker 1: and over and over and over again in that match
Speaker 1: where it was a double faults that kill Coco, I mean,
Speaker 1: and in the end it was just her resilience and
Speaker 1: her ability to fight through those difficult moments that were
Speaker 1: able to get the win. You know, now going into
Speaker 1: the final, it's a different situation because you know, Pauolini
Speaker 1: is going to have the crowd, she's not going to quit,
Speaker 1: she's not going to give up, and she can match
Speaker 1: it power for power on both sides with Coco and
Speaker 1: arguably much better, more reliable forehand that can change directions
Speaker 1: so easily, and she's not afraid to come into the
Speaker 1: and her volleys and her volley skill is excellent, clearly
Speaker 1: playing a lot of doubles, but it's just about the technique.
Speaker 1: Coco's pretty good at the net as well, because she
Speaker 1: likes to move forward, but her technique on Volli's is
Speaker 1: nowhere near as good as Paulini. So under pressure, she's
Speaker 1: going to come in and you know she has a
Speaker 1: basic sort of forehand volly or back and volley, she's
Speaker 1: going to make that. Whereas Coco, you're not quite sure
Speaker 1: she's I mean, she pulled off this one point that
Speaker 1: was incredible against chin Win. It was like a back
Speaker 1: and forth at the net, and she won it. Because
Speaker 1: she plays more doubles, I would argue that Chinwinn should
Speaker 1: play little doubles. But look at the two of them.
Speaker 1: You know they both did great and doubles, and they
Speaker 1: both did great and single, So I would suggest more
Speaker 1: women play doubles.
Speaker 2: Something tells me the chinmen have a hard time getting
Speaker 2: a partner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think she's overly liked and that I
Speaker 1: love her. She doesn't know. She doesn't want to be
Speaker 1: friends with anyone. She's actually said it in public.
Speaker 2: She's like, she's really, I'm not here.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: This is flavor of love, no flavor of friendship. Yah.
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm not out here to make friends. I'm
Speaker 1: out here to beat people.
Speaker 2: But who's not the friends we've made along the way.
Speaker 1: But let's go into the final. The thing that I
Speaker 1: was worried about immediately for Coco was the very first point.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is not going to go well
Speaker 1: for her today, because when you step up to the line,
Speaker 1: everybody's nervous. So that's where you have to have that
Speaker 1: three quarter pace first serf to be able to get
Speaker 1: an in and start the point. Because Coco, arguably, when
Speaker 1: she gets her serve in the court, can beat anyone.
Speaker 1: But when you are giving someone free point after free
Speaker 1: point after free point, that's a free point. You mustle
Speaker 1: just walk to the other side. It's like a point
Speaker 1: penalty's first point. Double faull I was like, oh my god, no,
Speaker 1: that set the tone for me immediately. If I'm playing
Speaker 1: against her and I'm Parolini and I'm like, I'm hitting
Speaker 1: the ball good, I'm seeing the ball like a watermelon.
Speaker 1: I know how well I can play on this court.
Speaker 1: I'm going to have the crowd on my side. What
Speaker 1: do I need to do to beat Coco? I need
Speaker 1: to break her foehand down and I need to hope
Speaker 1: she doesn't serve well, which she did against Eager for example,
Speaker 1: she served unbelievable in that match. First point, I'm standing now,
Speaker 1: I'm nervous myself. Double fault. I'm like, oh, okay, well
Speaker 1: you're way more nervous than me, and you're arguably one
Speaker 1: of your weapons. Her first serve isn't going in. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm going to kick your ass today, Like that
Speaker 1: would have been my first thought, immediate immediate release of
Speaker 1: is she going to come out playing like she did
Speaker 1: against Coco? Or is she going to come out a
Speaker 1: little bit unsure? And that's what we saw a first point.
Speaker 1: And you know, I sort of wrote a few things
Speaker 1: down as I was watching the match, because you know,
Speaker 1: I want people to understand how important one or two
Speaker 1: points is in a match and why having a weakness
Speaker 1: on a side, and particularly on a second serve is
Speaker 1: it's so detrimental to her in these big matches. And
Speaker 1: you know when you double fold that first point. It
Speaker 1: just sets the tone. You know. She just made some
Speaker 1: just some rash decisions as well, like trying to hit
Speaker 1: one drop shot when she was up in the next
Speaker 1: game and Paolini ran in, And you got to know,
Speaker 1: you're playing against someone who slides well, who moves well
Speaker 1: in clay. You hit drop shots against Danielle Collins, against
Speaker 1: Saber Lenka, you get the ball below the net, short
Speaker 1: in the court. Against someone who can't slide on clay,
Speaker 1: things are going to be pretty good for you, especially
Speaker 1: with Coco, because she hits the ball so good when
Speaker 1: someone comes in. She uses that lob really well on
Speaker 1: the forehands, really right. She hits that top spin lob
Speaker 1: down the line over the back end side, Like those
Speaker 1: are little things that she does well because she knows
Speaker 1: she can't just flatten out her forehand, so she uses
Speaker 1: her top spin lob, you know. So there's little things
Speaker 1: that she does. But against Paulina, you're screwed. She's gonna slide,
Speaker 1: she's gonna go whack with the forehand. You're dead. And
Speaker 1: that's what happened. And then all of a sudden, she
Speaker 1: gets down so easily in the first set and just
Speaker 1: sets the tone and again, you know, double faulted a
Speaker 1: couple of times. In the next service game, she just doesn't.
Speaker 1: I would say, listen, if you're nervous, like, let's just
Speaker 1: hit some kick serves as first service. You're playing against
Speaker 1: the girl who's five to three on a good day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not gonna you don't have to hit her
Speaker 2: off the court with.
Speaker 1: A rally with her.
Speaker 2: See how you go that point her teeth into it.
Speaker 1: And if you get your nerves out early and you're
Speaker 1: getting you first servey in, go for it a little
Speaker 1: bit more.
Speaker 2: When you talk about rash decisions, I mean, because you
Speaker 2: know you said it before. We've seen Coco's serve and
Speaker 2: forehand both because of technique, they can go astray and
Speaker 2: you know, so hopefully sometimes they come back because she
Speaker 2: can fight through some rough patches. Yea. But I do
Speaker 2: want to sort of talk about like a little bit
Speaker 2: of the decision making. To me that that is troublesome,
Speaker 2: especially when she's playing somebody who is also an excellent counterpuncher, right, Like,
Speaker 2: it's so clear what she needs to do against Disablanca
Speaker 2: or somebody like Ego who's also sort of a counterpuncher.
Speaker 2: But is an aggressor, certainly on clay, whereas you see
Speaker 2: Coco hanging in the points, making herself a nuisance, making
Speaker 2: them hit one more ball, and then she's able to
Speaker 2: turn that defense into offense. I don't know that she's
Speaker 2: I don't know that she did that against Paulini. And
Speaker 2: as much as she may be needed to.
Speaker 1: Well, give you an example, like the first game, obviously
Speaker 1: with a double fault and then just a not a
Speaker 1: good game at all. Then you know Paulina holds okay,
Speaker 1: but okay, no big deal, right, let's just get our
Speaker 1: service going. Let's just hang in there. She can get nervous.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. Coco then at fifteen thirty on her
Speaker 1: serve had a backhand mid court. Paulini was all the
Speaker 1: way over on the left side of the court, on
Speaker 1: the backhand side of the court. And Coco's best shot
Speaker 1: is her back end, and arguably your forehand back and down
Speaker 1: the line or a back and cross court is arguably
Speaker 1: the best on tour. She has a mid court backhand
Speaker 1: and shows to hit a sliced drop shot like to
Speaker 1: go like what you know, you hit the back end
Speaker 1: down the line, like hit your shot. You know, and
Speaker 1: then she double faults and then loses that game again.
Speaker 1: So it's just like all of a sudden, she's down
Speaker 1: three love and it's like there's panic. There was bad
Speaker 1: shot selection. And I have to say, if you if
Speaker 1: you know what your weaknesses are, and at the beginning
Speaker 1: of that match, it's not going in you start just
Speaker 1: your brain just starts kicking over a million miles an hour.
Speaker 1: Oh my god is this and you're trying to fix it,
Speaker 1: But it's because you made a really poor decision there.
Speaker 1: You should have smashed that back and down the line.
Speaker 1: She runs over and gets it back. Great, but you're
Speaker 1: probably coming into the net. Like there are just little
Speaker 1: decisions like that, And I think it's affected by when
Speaker 1: she doesn't start a match well like that. Now she's
Speaker 1: done it so many times. Was she's fought back, but
Speaker 1: on this occasion she just she was playing a better player.
Speaker 2: What do you think about Coco's coaching retinue. We've talked
Speaker 2: about this before and past.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know them well enough. I'll be really honest, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know her coaching crew at all. You know,
Speaker 1: I've heard great things about a couple of them and
Speaker 1: hard workers. And all that sort of stuff. But and look,
Speaker 1: look she says, made two back to back finals, So
Speaker 1: I'm not going I can't critique what they're doing. One
Speaker 1: thing that I know, I know everyone talks about, you know,
Speaker 1: the grip and her serve. There is one thing if
Speaker 1: she would ever to listen to this podcast or anyone
Speaker 1: that knows her, please get her to not go forward
Speaker 1: on her serve before she's thrown the ball toss up
Speaker 1: like she If you look at her service motion, she
Speaker 1: goes onto the front leg as she's throwing the ball
Speaker 1: toss up. There's nowhere to go there, right, So unless
Speaker 1: you're serving and you feel really confident, you better hit
Speaker 1: it well from that point because you are already coming
Speaker 1: forward and down on the ball. Right, So there's no
Speaker 1: she's got to get the rocking motion, you know, or
Speaker 1: but the fact that she's on her front left foot quickly,
Speaker 1: I'm like, good luck getting under the ball, good luck
Speaker 1: getting kick, good luck being able to have any kind
Speaker 1: of a three quarter serve. That's one thing. There is
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff. The grip is also not a
Speaker 1: great thing. Her elbow she lunges, you know, falls to
Speaker 1: the left. There's a lot of things that she does.
Speaker 1: But one of the things that I really would change immediately,
Speaker 1: and I think it's it would not be that hard
Speaker 1: for her to do is to not get on her
Speaker 1: front leg as quickly as she does. That really, particularly
Speaker 1: with the second serve.
Speaker 2: What's interesting, I was teaching serve to my kid over
Speaker 2: the weekend. We've done a family hit every now and
Speaker 2: and you know, my wife and center now at a
Speaker 2: place where they can rally pretty decently, and the thing
Speaker 2: that they cannot do very well is serve because it's
Speaker 2: really hard. And I was basically just like, look, the
Speaker 2: basic idea, like you're throwing any kind of a ball,
Speaker 2: is you go from the back lay to the front leg.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: It's a way of transfer, right. You just want to
Speaker 2: start going backwards to your point. You want to rock back,
Speaker 2: go up, and you want to come forward so that
Speaker 2: your body weight transfer gets the power. And I think, you.
Speaker 1: Know, imagine try try this. Imagine this. If you're at home, Okay,
Speaker 1: get a tennis ball, go to throw it. Now, would
Speaker 1: you when you go to throw a ball, do you
Speaker 1: are you forward? Like, think about think about being on
Speaker 1: your left leg? Okay, so think about your playing you know,
Speaker 1: little league, or you're over there and like on the
Speaker 1: outfield and you get a ball hit to you and
Speaker 1: you go to throw it, and you're already on your
Speaker 1: left leg to go and throw it. Where it's it
Speaker 1: going to go. It's going to go straight in the ground.
Speaker 1: So your brain is the thing about tennis players, and
Speaker 1: this is the thing about technique, is that you randomly
Speaker 1: know what's not going to work right. But then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, she's already forward so to get That's
Speaker 1: why she falls to the left, because she has she's
Speaker 1: trying to get, she's trying to get under it. She's
Speaker 1: actually trying to get under the ball.
Speaker 2: It's just like she's falling.
Speaker 1: I think coaching stuff with your chicken is before your
Speaker 1: egg is.
Speaker 2: There so many things about her that makes her so good,
Speaker 2: and then there's like fixable things that you're just like, ah,
Speaker 2: there's fixable things here. You know. It's not like your
Speaker 2: brain is scrambled eggs like half the people, certainly me
Speaker 2: on the you know, on the court, where you're just like, well,
Speaker 2: I can't help that. Forehands hey, my for you haven't
Speaker 2: seen my beforehand. I cannot take time.
Speaker 1: Christ christ Christy good forehand. So Christian her forend was
Speaker 1: much better than mine.
Speaker 2: Listen to Christie's Christie has but there's my full time coach.
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm talking about. There are mechanical methanical
Speaker 1: things exactly. And for bull at home that darn't know
Speaker 1: had to serve. You all can throw it a ball,
Speaker 1: not well, I'm sure some of you can't throw it well,
Speaker 1: but try and throw a ball and be on your
Speaker 1: front leg as you're throwing it, like you go back
Speaker 1: on your right and then as you're hitting you're throwing it,
Speaker 1: you're then you go onto your front leg.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about this is such a perfect
Speaker 2: opening to talk about the Women's Devils Final Oh God,
Speaker 2: which features truly, truly, truly one of the most atrocious
Speaker 2: serves that ever existed in professionals.
Speaker 1: Speaking of bad serves.
Speaker 2: Holy moly. I mean, listen kudas to jas mcpalini. She
Speaker 2: got the devil. That's incredible. She won it with Sarah Rani,
Speaker 2: who you know is not everyone's flavor, but I mean,
Speaker 2: I'll forever be indebted to her for giving us. You know,
Speaker 2: the doping fellon to my mama's Tortelloni. The Tortilloni defense
Speaker 2: when she got.
Speaker 1: You know, it was the last time that someone was
Speaker 1: in the French the Italian Open final as an Italian
Speaker 1: was Sarahani.
Speaker 2: Sarahani was years ago. Sarah and he has been playing
Speaker 2: tennis on the pro circuit for a long time.
Speaker 1: First, yeah, I played her many many times. That's how
Speaker 1: long she's been out there.
Speaker 2: God love her. She's she's like what four to eleven?
Speaker 2: I mean, she's yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, the two of them at height is maybe maybe
Speaker 1: six foot.
Speaker 2: I turned on the devils at one point because our
Speaker 2: friend Soviet exit us and it was like, ladies, what's
Speaker 2: going on with this Devil's final? And it was the
Speaker 2: two of them at the baseline yea, And I was
Speaker 2: just kind of like, you know what I triggered from juniors,
Speaker 2: when you got two opponents at the baseline, I won't
Speaker 2: know how much we want to do.
Speaker 1: I mean, for me, listen. The first time that ever happened,
Speaker 1: I was playing in Australia. I was playing with Lisa Raymond.
Speaker 1: It was when we were making a comeback together as
Speaker 1: a team and we played mari An Bartoli and Caroline Garcia.
Speaker 1: Both have very good serves. By the way, both could
Speaker 1: bomb the serve down like one ten, one twenty, and
Speaker 1: Lisa and I we see and I was like first
Speaker 1: or second round, so it was a really tough first round.
Speaker 1: And I look over and Bartoli's talking to her dad.
Speaker 1: Now he was a mad scientist. Like the shit he
Speaker 1: would make her do was I could write a book
Speaker 1: about the things that he used to write. Maybe we'll
Speaker 1: do a podcast on it one day. I can tell
Speaker 1: you the stories, deept. Oh my god. The nonsense that
Speaker 1: he would make her do was just out rayed.
Speaker 2: What's an example of one.
Speaker 1: One time he had tennis balls taped under her tennis shoe. Okay,
Speaker 1: so think about putting a tennis shoe under your shoe
Speaker 1: and then taping it so you're in like high heels essentially,
Speaker 1: but it's not a heel, it's a ball. And he
Speaker 1: would make her walk around on that and hit serves.
Speaker 1: Then he had a fishing line to get her to
Speaker 1: snap her wrist, like as if she was like throwing
Speaker 1: out something and be doing.
Speaker 2: This at the tournament in front of people.
Speaker 1: Yes, one time I saw a running on a treadmill
Speaker 1: and then he'd make her stop and come off the
Speaker 1: back of the treadmill and do a split step and
Speaker 1: then jump back onto the treadmill and do a split
Speaker 1: step and go off the trip.
Speaker 2: I wonder if they're still speaking.
Speaker 1: The amount of ship he would make her do that
Speaker 1: was crazy, was unbelievable. The first time I ever saw her,
Speaker 1: he was doing a drill with her indoors in Strasbourg
Speaker 1: and we're like, who's that. We're like, she's a young
Speaker 1: French girl, and I was like, what is that drill?
Speaker 1: He would literally just hit a ball over the net
Speaker 1: that was like a drop shot, and she would have
Speaker 1: to run in and try and smack it. And we're like, uh,
Speaker 1: it's like, what is going You want to practice a drill?
Speaker 1: Some of the god love her. She won Wimbledon. I
Speaker 1: meant she was such a good player for considering what
Speaker 1: she went through. But not not the point of this story.
Speaker 1: Lisa looks at me and I go, I wonder what
Speaker 1: those two over there coming up with with the mad
Speaker 1: scientists about how to beat us? Right, I wonder what
Speaker 1: the wonder what the game plan is?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: We're kind of laughing about it. Right. We go out
Speaker 1: in the court. First game, they win the toss, choose
Speaker 1: to serve we're about about to start. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I see Bartoli go back on the baseline with Garcia,
Speaker 1: who has one of the best serves in the world.
Speaker 2: Two of them at the baseline, nobody's at the.
Speaker 1: Net, two of them on the baseline. Lisa looks at
Speaker 1: me and she goes, what do I do? I'm like,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? What do you do? This is
Speaker 1: the perfect situation for us. You get to hit the
Speaker 1: ball with no pressure with anyone at the net and
Speaker 1: come in. And now we're both at the net and
Speaker 1: they're both in the baseline. Who's winning that battle? We
Speaker 1: are winning that battle every single time. So I said,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? Just hit it through the middle
Speaker 1: and come in. She goes, oh, okay, slices up the middle,
Speaker 1: comes in, they try and hit We just go short Molly, yeah,
Speaker 1: Bally right, that's all you have to do. Or I'm like,
Speaker 1: what I would do if they stood back? So I
Speaker 1: go pop and hit a drop shot off my return.
Speaker 1: I do an osterbur drop shot and then bring them forward.
Speaker 1: We would come in and then smack the ball of
Speaker 1: it hip and dip. Why, I'm like, dud, you know
Speaker 1: why people get away with it?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Like them way because no one can volley, so they
Speaker 1: are hitting return. These ding dongs are playing against them,
Speaker 1: going big return. We're gonna stay back here. I go, Okay,
Speaker 1: do you know how dumb you are because you know
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen? Because Sarah Rounni can't serve. But I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what she can do. She can volley, and
Speaker 1: she's smarter than you. She's an old school doubles player.
Speaker 1: So then you hit the return to Paolini or to her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, both excellents from the ground.
Speaker 1: And if you're dumb enough to hit it to Paulini,
Speaker 1: that's what you are dumb, because then you hit it
Speaker 1: to Pauline and you know what Aruni does, runs into
Speaker 1: the net. So now it's a Runi at the net
Speaker 1: Paulini in the baseline. You two dummies are on the baseline.
Speaker 1: Net players always going to win that battle doubles. I
Speaker 1: don't care who you are or what you're doing. The
Speaker 1: team that are best of the net will always win.
Speaker 1: They will always win. And Sarah RUnni knows how to
Speaker 1: dink you and lob you and get the ball to
Speaker 1: your feet at the net and take advantage of your
Speaker 1: lack of ability to play at the net. She was
Speaker 1: the best player at the US Open Mix S doubbles
Speaker 1: final last year by a mile, because she was the
Speaker 1: only one that actually knew how to play doubles. So
Speaker 1: I'll give her shit for the serve and staying back.
Speaker 1: But remember, Caitlin, this is a girl five years ago
Speaker 1: or four or five years ago. Still to this day,
Speaker 1: to a certain degree, she's gotten better. Could not hit
Speaker 1: a serve in the court. And when I say Baltos
Speaker 1: was going twenty feet away from her, she was hitting
Speaker 1: underarmed serves. You thought Sablenka had a bad problem. Nobody's
Speaker 1: had it worse than a run. So the fact that
Speaker 1: she's getting it in the court is a miracle. And
Speaker 1: if she hits it under him, she gets the points started.
Speaker 1: You dummies are stupid enough to hit that next ball
Speaker 1: to Paulini. You should lose there you did there. It
Speaker 1: is Well, I didn't know I was going to get
Speaker 1: to that's.
Speaker 2: Either I'm really glad, I asked Alcarez center.
Speaker 1: Well, well, let me just say there's a lot of
Speaker 1: reasons why Alcarez is always not always. There will be
Speaker 1: a time that Sinner beats him on clay. But I
Speaker 1: would say It's kind of like a Roger Ruffer thing
Speaker 1: to a lesser degree because Roger one handed backhand Nadal
Speaker 1: clay court special list. Well, he's not a special, but
Speaker 1: he was the greatest clay court player of all time.
Speaker 1: Alcoraz is a better natural. He's a better natural athlete,
Speaker 1: and that's coming from someone like Janikhu's an incredible athlete.
Speaker 1: He's a world class skier. He is an for his height.
Speaker 1: No one moves better. He's unbelievable mover, but he is
Speaker 1: not as good. He's taller, his center of gravity on
Speaker 1: clay is not as good. His sliding ability is not
Speaker 1: as good because he's got a little bit he's got
Speaker 1: to move differently. He's like a like a he's like
Speaker 1: that Mexican boat in the Hudson. He's just like flinging
Speaker 1: around out there, just hitting hitting bridges. I heard the
Speaker 1: story behind that today. By the way, we're not.
Speaker 2: Getting sack anyway, but they've got tragic but boat accident.
Speaker 1: It's terrible. There's two people died on that was terrible.
Speaker 1: But too you know, Alcaraz is lower center gravity. He's
Speaker 1: a more natural sort of mover on clay, and he
Speaker 1: has way more variety. Now on hard court, Yannick hits
Speaker 1: you off the court. He just serves you off the court,
Speaker 1: and he hits you off the court. He's serving is
Speaker 1: so accurate. His ball striking, I mean he just smashes
Speaker 1: the ball. He just hits the ball bigger than everybody.
Speaker 1: But Alcarez hits the ball as big. Ken hit the
Speaker 1: ball as big, but he chooses not to on clay
Speaker 1: because he didn't have to, so he hits the spin.
Speaker 1: He has more spin. The ball gets out of Alcarez,
Speaker 1: out of Yanick's hitting perfect, hitting spot more. He's tall,
Speaker 1: so he can kind of get away with it a
Speaker 1: little bit. But it's the drop shot, it's the coming
Speaker 1: into the net, it's the sliding, it's the slice backhand.
Speaker 1: It's just the variety. And having said that, Yanick should
Speaker 1: have won the first set. He had two set points
Speaker 1: and the point at thirty forty was a bad decision
Speaker 1: from sinner. He had a backhand. I don't know why
Speaker 1: the effing hell he decided to try and hit it
Speaker 1: down the line. He bailed out of that point. He
Speaker 1: should have hit now credit He hasn't played a match
Speaker 1: in like three years three months, must have felt like
Speaker 1: three years to him, but the fact that he got
Speaker 1: to the final was incredible. The fact that he beat
Speaker 1: Rude oh and one, Rude just one Madrid people.
Speaker 2: The best part of that was on Instagram, Uh Taylor.
Speaker 2: Fritz added a comment to Casper Rude's profile, saying, you
Speaker 2: almost had him. I don't know if he's a man.
Speaker 1: Almost, but you know, it's arguably the best match that
Speaker 1: Youanixen has ever played.
Speaker 2: I mean, indistructive of the magic one point. And you
Speaker 2: know casp Rude, who as you just said, one Madrid
Speaker 2: just one, a master one thousand. He came in film,
Speaker 2: but himself he just like got he just got dismantled.
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, all the big test is going to be Rude,
Speaker 1: though you know he's coming in. He's a clay court specialist.
Speaker 1: He just won Madrid oh and one, and it was
Speaker 1: excited when he won a game.
Speaker 2: He was so excited with the crowd was so excited.
Speaker 2: I was excited. I was like, Fritz was excited.
Speaker 1: And he went in the press conference later and he said, listen,
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I'm like that bad. You got
Speaker 1: a little ship from people on Twitter, like, how can
Speaker 1: you say that? I mean what kind of professional are you.
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, it happens.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you're just playing a zoning opponent. They hit seed
Speaker 2: to like you said, the bars as big as watermelon. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, they find their groove.
Speaker 1: Carolina Plishko but lost oh and o in the finals
Speaker 1: to a couple of years ago. She was hitting the
Speaker 1: ball real way. Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: You don't get finals without getting without having a go Urnamy.
Speaker 2: You don't give the semis if you're rude having won
Speaker 2: the last. So one thing I like about this matchup,
Speaker 2: especially on clay, is the sort of really smooth, like
Speaker 2: easy power of Cinner gets Negata get gets dealt with
Speaker 2: in so many creative.
Speaker 1: Ways, particularly on the return right. So he's not getting
Speaker 1: the free points like he does on a hardcore as
Speaker 1: much the variety that Carlos was trying to do. On
Speaker 1: the turn of serve, he was trying everything. One time
Speaker 1: he moved in because Carlos one Carlos told him to
Speaker 1: move forward, and janikid a serve at the body and
Speaker 1: he got tubed. And he turned around and looked at
Speaker 1: one Carlos as me like, well that didn't work. Nope,
Speaker 1: I'm going way back now.
Speaker 2: But I just love that he's willing to throw all
Speaker 2: of it in there. And I think the to me,
Speaker 2: the only downside to Center is that he's not as creative,
Speaker 2: which I think you know again his his dividends on
Speaker 2: the Australian Open and US Open, and just that's the
Speaker 2: hard court because it's also the movement right.
Speaker 1: So here he runs out to a forehand. He knows
Speaker 1: if I crush this forehand down the line, it's more
Speaker 1: than likely not going to come back, and if it
Speaker 1: comes back, it'll come back with it'll come floating back
Speaker 1: in the court. Whereas on clay he has that same
Speaker 1: opportunity to hit that fourhand down the line or whatever
Speaker 1: it is, and he goes, man, if I don't hit
Speaker 1: this perfect down the line, I'm going to have to
Speaker 1: stop prop finish my slide and get back and try
Speaker 1: and get back into the point again. Whereas on hardcourt
Speaker 1: it's so simple. He just pulls a trigger boom, he knows,
Speaker 1: but on clay you have to be patient, you have
Speaker 1: to be a little bit more strategic, and like someone
Speaker 1: like Carlos for example, if he's out of position, he'll
Speaker 1: hit a little bit more spin or he'll slice the forehand.
Speaker 1: He plays with a little bit more variety. And that's
Speaker 1: why on a grass court or on a clay court,
Speaker 1: because he has that variety, he can get away with
Speaker 1: it more on on on clay and on the natural
Speaker 1: surface like grass, and he can on a hard court.
Speaker 2: He also has to me, the thing that I love
Speaker 2: so much about him is and this kind of gets
Speaker 2: in his way sometimes when he gets too creative or
Speaker 2: he surprises himself. He's got great powers of deception. YEA.
Speaker 2: So he's got that great wind up for his forehand,
Speaker 2: which like is a haymaker forehand. By the way, he's
Speaker 2: not not hitting the h out of the forehand, but
Speaker 2: he can hit the floating drop shot where he fakes it.
Speaker 2: He can hit the looper, he can hit the buggy
Speaker 2: whip up the line. Like he's got all of the things,
Speaker 2: and he never know and sometimes you get the sense
Speaker 2: he doesn't know until the very end. Like everyone's sort
Speaker 2: of sharing. After Yannick failed to close that game out
Speaker 2: when he was at forty thirty, a couple of points later, tiebreak,
Speaker 2: Carlos Alpaerez, Everyone's of lards that incredibly athletic jumping inside
Speaker 2: out Becker set point valley to set up the forehand
Speaker 2: to the open court. Well, that was beautiful set point.
Speaker 2: It was gorgeous. But what was amazing about it to
Speaker 2: me was that he didn't know that that's what was
Speaker 2: going to happen at all up until the minute.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what he did know when he had
Speaker 1: the When he had it at six y four on
Speaker 1: his own serve, he played incredibly passively. Is that word passive? Yeah, passively,
Speaker 1: that's the word.
Speaker 2: It's anighbor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. He was very very passive on that
Speaker 1: And on that service point he did not go for
Speaker 1: the ball. He sort of waited for an error or
Speaker 1: maybe he was just tight and he wasn't trying to
Speaker 1: get an error. He was just like not willing to
Speaker 1: pull the trigger. And and and Yarnick hit two or
Speaker 1: three unbelievable shots at six four like deep, like within
Speaker 1: a couple of inches of the baseline, and Mark Petchy
Speaker 1: actually said, oh he was. He was seeing that ball
Speaker 1: and thing it's going to go out, it's going to
Speaker 1: go out, and didn't go out. And Yannick played that
Speaker 1: point beautifully to get back to six', five and you, thought, oh,
Speaker 1: okay now it's going to be six, all and this
Speaker 1: could turn around and you could lose his set now
Speaker 1: because he got, passive kind of Like Chin ween. Did
Speaker 1: but the difference Was alcharaz immediately knew IF i get
Speaker 1: this serve back in the, Court he's, Like i'm not
Speaker 1: going to be. Passive and he was so aggressive once
Speaker 1: he got the serve back in the. Court on that,
Speaker 1: point if you go and rewatch it, again he coll
Speaker 1: locked the. Ball it's, like, OKAY i KNOW i wisked
Speaker 1: out at six. FOUR i totally pushed. IT i got
Speaker 1: to go for it because IF i, don't you, know
Speaker 1: as a great, player it's just like. Rash you, Know
Speaker 1: rauffa And roger And novak playing against each. Other they sense,
Speaker 1: it they smell, it and they go for it once
Speaker 1: they know that someone's got a bit, tight just like
Speaker 1: when you Know novak won that incredible match Against roger
Speaker 1: at the olymp at The wimbledon when he had two
Speaker 1: match points and all of a sudden he gets the
Speaker 1: juced and you, go, oh last time your brain. Changes
Speaker 1: it's kind of Like paulini when he's a double. FAULT
Speaker 1: i got, you that's. Right and so so there's little
Speaker 1: things like that that you hope for on the tennis,
Speaker 1: court and you. Don't you don't go into it, hoping
Speaker 1: but you see it. Immediately And carlos was, like, OH
Speaker 1: i was a. Pussy THEN i get to go for,
Speaker 1: it and he, did and he went for. It and
Speaker 1: then he ends up coming into, there like you, said
Speaker 1: hits that beautiful backhand vollie inside out and then he you,
Speaker 1: know he reads the ball so well and he hits
Speaker 1: that fourhand volley into the open court to win the first,
Speaker 1: set and then it was over. Off that was kind of.
Speaker 2: It, YEAH i, mean you, KNOW i think you can
Speaker 2: tail for.
Speaker 1: Once janick was, like, AH i don't know IF i
Speaker 1: can beat this guy.
Speaker 2: Today, ALSO i, think you, know being away for three
Speaker 2: months obviously he trained herd it.
Speaker 1: Sound like he was you, KNOW i heard he had
Speaker 1: a pretty bad blister on that foot.
Speaker 2: Too i'm positive that something movement, wise. Fatigue you, know
Speaker 2: he made it to the. Final obviously the home crowd
Speaker 2: would have liked to have seen him win the match at.
Speaker 2: Home that, said you, know tremendous. Effort another sort of
Speaker 2: like amazing chapter in their. Match the last time they
Speaker 2: played it was In beijing last. Fall yea on hardcourt.
Speaker 1: So if they play In beijing this, YEAR i can
Speaker 1: guarantee You sinner.
Speaker 2: Wins i'm Sure i'm positive Sin it wins that match
Speaker 2: because you can see the things that he does that
Speaker 2: on that Dismantled carlos and make his incredible brilliant improvisation
Speaker 2: on the natural surfaces look impetuous and stupid on the hard. Court,
Speaker 2: like it's just really interesting how the same, matchup the same,
Speaker 2: technique the same, too you, know personnel just get exploited,
Speaker 2: differently and how you're just sort of which Is that's so.
Speaker 2: Cool that is the beauty of.
Speaker 1: Love this is the greatest thing about our. Sport is
Speaker 1: that surface. Temperature like if you Played rafa on a
Speaker 1: in rome or any clay court when it was, hot,
Speaker 1: yeah you were praying you could win a, game right
Speaker 1: if you played him on a really, slow muddy, court
Speaker 1: maybe at a chance if you're a big hitter like
Speaker 1: a you, know that's the one match that he lost
Speaker 1: The french you, know.
Speaker 2: Hit him off the, court you.
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah but like you've got to hope for those.
Speaker 1: Things whereas WITH i think That yannick would have had
Speaker 1: more of a chance if it had been really hot
Speaker 1: in the middle of the day, Maybe BUT i just
Speaker 1: think that the Way carlos, plays he hits that beautiful
Speaker 1: kicks of he doesn't Give yannick a chance to rip
Speaker 1: the return because he hits. IT i, Mean Mark petchi
Speaker 1: get a great stat where he said. THAT i think
Speaker 1: the last time they, played he did not hit one
Speaker 1: serve to the forehand on the second. Court he hit
Speaker 1: every second serve as a. Kicker So yannick has to
Speaker 1: figure out a way to get around, that AND i
Speaker 1: don't know. How maybe he bum rushes him and rips
Speaker 1: it and comes in and prushures, him BUT i don't.
Speaker 1: Know it's a hard one to.
Speaker 2: Attack the last thing we talked about him a little
Speaker 2: bit on the, podcast but the other semi finalists Besides
Speaker 2: rude and the two we've been talking about for a
Speaker 2: minute deserves mention Was Jack, draper which you, KNOW i
Speaker 2: don't think there's a lot of scenarios in which he
Speaker 2: Beats Carlos alcaraz in the semifinal At, Rome BUT i
Speaker 2: like the fact that he's in. THERE i like the
Speaker 2: fact that he's. CONTENDING i like his left the. GAME
Speaker 2: i like the fact that he's kind of, chippy Like i'm.
Speaker 2: Thrilled just the way that the women's game has really
Speaker 2: filled out in the last couple of, years with all
Speaker 2: these different casts of. CHARACTERS i feel really excited about
Speaker 2: the men's game at the. MOMENT i will, Say zverev
Speaker 2: losing two to the world's sexiest, man but guess what
Speaker 2: Happened Lorenzo Lorenzo, Messetti.
Speaker 1: But guess what happened with the? Balls guess he's not
Speaker 1: going to be number two in the.
Speaker 2: World zverev doesn't.
Speaker 1: Deserve REMEMBER i said he doesn't deserve to be number
Speaker 1: two seed to The. French WELL i was, Right he's
Speaker 1: not going to Be thank. God, now thank god we're
Speaker 1: going to Have carlos And sinner on the opposite. Sides that's,
Speaker 1: right finally at A Grand. Slam but, Yes zverev is
Speaker 1: JUST i mean complaining about the, balls like what are you?
Speaker 1: Get come?
Speaker 2: On and then he goes on this like bizarre press
Speaker 2: conference diatribe where despite the fact that he and we
Speaker 2: said he both hit the same amount of, winners like
Speaker 2: he was, like, Oh i'm such an. Aggressor you know this.
Speaker 1: Your, forehand you're a bigger pusher on that, shot and
Speaker 1: you hate Playing messeetti because he slices to your forehand
Speaker 1: and you're seventeen feet, tall you have the worst, grip
Speaker 1: you can't get underneath, it and you're a pussy when
Speaker 1: it comes to a big point and you don't go for.
Speaker 1: It that's why you're never going to be a great.
Speaker 1: PLAYER i, mean you're a great, player but you're never
Speaker 1: going to win A Grand slam if you want to
Speaker 1: complain about the. Balls it was the last Time raphael And,
Speaker 1: Nadala Roger, Federer novak djokovits complained about the. Balls it's
Speaker 1: like what the defense rests, guilty ist, charge giltest. Charge we,
Speaker 1: need we need sound.
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Speaker 2: and she poses the question in her very first column
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Speaker 1: There, WELL i, mean, listen there's the whole concept of you,
Speaker 1: know when you get elect cord and putting your hand up.
Speaker 2: And then fist. Pumping, yeah this whole.
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Speaker 2: It Jeff. Nutty, okay so we've already talked a little
Speaker 2: bit about the seedings that are we're looking. At it's
Speaker 2: going to be.
Speaker 1: Excited oh my, god someone in the top four in
Speaker 1: the world is going to have to play if she makes,
Speaker 1: it Uh egerontech in the. QUARTERS i MEAN i, hope, like, look,
Speaker 1: look seating gods, whatever please pull out of the. Draw
Speaker 1: not playing someone like Sabal aanka in the, quarters, like
Speaker 1: let her play somebody, else like just, well actually, no you,
Speaker 1: know a fuck. It if she's gonna win the, tournament
Speaker 1: she has to beat one of them. Anyway, yeah and
Speaker 1: at this, point let's she needs to get. There BUT
Speaker 1: i would assume she's going to get. There she's arguably
Speaker 1: the best player in clay we've had in donkeys'? Ages
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Speaker 1: from this clay court. Season obviously there's a tournament going
Speaker 1: on on both the women's side and the men's. Side
Speaker 1: Novak djokovic is playing this week trying to Get.
Speaker 2: Geneva, yes and.
Speaker 1: Isn't Didn't severiev go and play In germany or?
Speaker 2: Something he's In. Humberg oh my. God, yeah he.
Speaker 1: Only wins In. Germany so the only place that like.
Speaker 2: HIM i can't believe he desca gets. ENDORSEMENTS i, mean it's,
Speaker 2: crazy like the only people that like him Are.
Speaker 1: Germans AND i have to, say, LOOK i stuck up
Speaker 1: for him last week On twitter when he kind of
Speaker 1: was a bit salty with the question that was asked
Speaker 1: to him on The World feed and it was a dumb. Question,
Speaker 1: yeah we talked about.
Speaker 2: IT i think you freezed it in a much more elegant.
Speaker 1: Way you pat someone on the back before you stab
Speaker 1: them in the, back right when you ask a, question
Speaker 1: you make them feel great about themselves and then you,
Speaker 1: go but what's happening? Here like you don't go in and, go,
Speaker 1: look you stuck At master's one, thousand so you're. Terrible
Speaker 1: are you happy you won your first?
Speaker 2: Round that's not a good Fel, no You're you're going
Speaker 2: to get a just fable shitty.
Speaker 1: Response, YEAH i Mean Roger federer would have answered it very,
Speaker 1: diplomatically because that's Just roger and.
Speaker 2: This agent would have called behind the scenes and gotten
Speaker 2: that gafad.
Speaker 1: Probably but also at the same, time you know a
Speaker 1: player a, salty so you don't ask those. Questions i'm
Speaker 1: not going to ask a player THAT i know is
Speaker 1: salty and give salty answers the question like, That Like
Speaker 1: i'm not going to have to say To serena so
Speaker 1: you know WHAT i, mean BECAUSE i know she's just
Speaker 1: gonna look at me, like oh, really maybe not me
Speaker 1: because we're, friends BUT i don't.
Speaker 2: KNOW i THINK i don't.
Speaker 1: Know she still give me some. Shit for.
Speaker 2: Sure she's.
Speaker 1: Trying met you under the bus a couple of.
Speaker 2: TIMES i saver of.
Speaker 1: Man, yeah just get over, yourself, bro just fix your
Speaker 1: forehand and then you might win a match of. Importance
Speaker 1: we're talking finals Of, slams we're Talking masters one.
Speaker 2: THOUSANDS i think WHAT i like so much about the
Speaker 2: finalists that we had at this past tournament is they're
Speaker 2: all committed to humbly working their asses, off, yes to
Speaker 2: get such a great. Finals blame everybody. Else they're not
Speaker 2: talking about the, balls they're not screaming at their, box
Speaker 2: none of none of them congratulating each. Other they're they're
Speaker 2: not corporate and. Boring they're they've got personalities that but
Speaker 2: they're they're, yeah they're just you, know we had a
Speaker 2: great we had embodiments of what we, had.
Speaker 3: Four incredible human beings in the finals Of, rome AND
Speaker 3: i mean Even sinner was so he said to his,
Speaker 3: team you, know we're you, know it's been a hard
Speaker 3: three three months and you Know i've worked my butt
Speaker 3: off to be, here AND i thank you And alcaraz
Speaker 3: and he goes and then he thanks his family and
Speaker 3: everyone there and he goes except my brother who's WATCHING.
Speaker 1: Emmla he was at THE f one. Race it was, like, thanks,
Speaker 1: bro thanks for supporting.
Speaker 2: Me totally related supporting him.
Speaker 1: It but then Even, coco you, know she Congratulated jasmine
Speaker 1: and she, said you, know wished to well in the
Speaker 1: doubles the next, day AND i just just for uh,
Speaker 1: PEOPLE i really like genuinely with those, four.
Speaker 2: AND i think the reason that you, know AND i
Speaker 2: wouldn't mind.
Speaker 1: Seeing them all in the finals of The FRENCH i
Speaker 1: think definitely would like to See alcrez go out it
Speaker 1: in five. Sets AND i do think that there is
Speaker 1: a real chance That coco and A pauolini could be
Speaker 1: in the. Finals agree the way they play their. Game
Speaker 1: there is five contenders for me on the women's, Side, Coco, Sable, Anca,
Speaker 1: Eager paulini and Chin win.
Speaker 2: Chin, win who has won a gold medal on those.
Speaker 1: That's, right and she's found her, Form, Phelip she's found a.
Speaker 1: Form she's going to go back to Rolland garos and, go,
Speaker 1: oh that's, RIGHT i beat all you bitches.
Speaker 2: Here that's.
Speaker 1: RIGHT i know how to win, here do you know
Speaker 1: WHAT i? Mean so THAT i would not have put
Speaker 1: her in that category a week, ago but there is
Speaker 1: no question she is one of the best players on.
Speaker 1: Clay the, game the clay suits her game and the
Speaker 1: way she hits are perfectly SO i would say those
Speaker 1: five without question are in can win the. Tournament. Definitely Madison,
Speaker 1: keys maybe because she's done well in the past and
Speaker 1: maybe she finds reform at The french and The Grand.
Speaker 1: Slam you just made a semi. There and, Listen madison
Speaker 1: on any given day can beat. Anyone you, know Astar,
Speaker 1: penko you never. Know, look she once stood, guards she's One.
Speaker 1: French so there are arguably five to seven women that
Speaker 1: can legitimately win WHERE i wouldn't be like what yeah men? Two?
Speaker 2: Okay, so setting Aside carlos And, sinner what do you
Speaker 2: think about The, Runa, Rude Cambo. Runa up until this,
Speaker 2: TOURNAMENT i was, like, oh, YEAH i feel like he's In, WELL.
Speaker 1: I Think runa is going to have a hard time
Speaker 1: because he's dealing with this sickness and you, know best
Speaker 1: of five sets mate that Against you, know we're talking
Speaker 1: about having to beat A, runa A rude and Al,
Speaker 1: chirez A sinner And. Zvere you don't have to beat
Speaker 1: those guys over five. Sets you better be physically. Ready,
Speaker 1: YEAH i just don't know physically he's going to be ready.
Speaker 1: Enough could he was at peak? Performance? Yes could he
Speaker 1: get to the final? Yes DO i think that he
Speaker 1: could win?
Speaker 2: It?
Speaker 1: No BUT i think That yannick And alcarez will probably
Speaker 1: play each other in the. Finals unless you get a Hot,
Speaker 1: Massetti unless you get a you, know a hot you. Know,
Speaker 1: Look kesper could come back and play out of his.
Speaker 1: Mind he plays really well In, paris so we'll, see
Speaker 1: BUT i don't the women are way more open as per.
Speaker 1: Usual but, yeah we'll see over five. Sets it's just
Speaker 1: very different the best of.
Speaker 2: Three, YEAH i think you're. It it definitely favors less disruptive.
Speaker 1: Outcomes i'm.
Speaker 2: EXCITED i Feel i'm so sad peak.
Speaker 1: One woman and one man of The. Americans, wait, wait
Speaker 1: of The, americans This american BECAUSE i just wanted to
Speaker 1: throw that.
Speaker 2: Out who are making? Me oh?
Speaker 1: God did he play well in that first set Against?
Speaker 1: Sinner that's, right he played. Great all of a sudden
Speaker 1: he just stopped going for it. Though oh, yeah he
Speaker 1: got he Was.
Speaker 2: Redlin did you think he just kind of like went?
Speaker 1: Hard AND i don't, know he's won the juniors super.
Speaker 1: FIT i agree with. You you're going to Say tommy Pauland.
Speaker 2: Coco, NO i was going to, Say.
Speaker 1: Cooker what you think An american is going to do
Speaker 1: better Than?
Speaker 2: Coco, yeah somebody tells me it's not going to do
Speaker 2: it this. Here oh BUT i don't know who Would?
Speaker 1: Madison Maybe?
Speaker 2: Madison, YEAH i don't think it's going to be An.
Speaker 2: AMERICAN i think it's going to BE i think Actually
Speaker 2: chine's gonna win.
Speaker 1: It oh, okay that's my, car all.
Speaker 2: RIGHT i THINK i think SHE'S.
Speaker 1: I think she will definitely be. IN i think she
Speaker 1: can be in the.
Speaker 2: SEMIS i Think pauline is going to have a, letdown
Speaker 2: even THOUGH i think she's playing.
Speaker 1: Great, no she's too. Solid that's the greatest thing about.
Speaker 1: Her she's. SOLID i, mean and she's. Solid she's that,
Speaker 1: little stucky little. Solid she just love. Her but and
Speaker 1: she's as you, know everybody knows, this anyone who's listened
Speaker 1: to the. Pod she's my. FAVORITE i love.
Speaker 2: Her so you're Calling, PAULINI i.
Speaker 1: AM i don't.
Speaker 2: Know now you have to call An american for no?
Speaker 1: Reason, no, WELL i THINK i Think coco could win
Speaker 1: The French. Open, yeah but you, KNOW i honestly don't.
Speaker 1: Know there's so. There it just depends on the day
Speaker 1: with the. MEN i Think alcaize is going to win it.
Speaker 2: Again, okay but you have to pick An american for no.
Speaker 1: REASON i ain't gonna Pick tommy paul to do the,
Speaker 1: best Not. Klayla, no he's stinking it. Up right. NOW
Speaker 1: i think he needs a change of coaching. Situation, actually,
Speaker 1: YEAH i think he's sort Of this is the point
Speaker 1: That Dan kaye was making about he's been With Mike
Speaker 1: russell and he's done a fantastic. Job micha will find
Speaker 1: a job in one second with somebody, else because he's
Speaker 1: that kind of guy and he's. Professional BUT i think
Speaker 1: a new, idea is a new, vibe might be a
Speaker 1: good thing for. Him And i'm not asking for people
Speaker 1: to go and Tell Michael RUSSELL i want him to get.
Speaker 1: FIRED i just think he's done such a good. Job
Speaker 1: BUT i think he's at his max now AND i
Speaker 1: think maybe it's time for a new voice for him
Speaker 1: and then move on to another guy and improve his,
Speaker 1: game because he's done a great job With. Taylor BUT i.
Speaker 2: Can see something. Insane what About, Armstraber.
Speaker 1: No no, chance she can't, Physically she's just not mentally there. Anymore.
Speaker 1: NO i would love to see, Her, NO i just
Speaker 1: don't think she's going to reach that upper echelance of
Speaker 1: The Grand slams. Anymore she could do it on, grass
Speaker 1: because that's her best, surface that's, true BUT i don't
Speaker 1: THINK i think that's the LAST i Think eager might.
Speaker 1: SURPRISE i Think eager might come and get To paris
Speaker 1: and be, Like, OKAY i know how to do this,
Speaker 1: here you. Know and unless she gets a really tough drall,
Speaker 1: early she's going to get deep into the tournament and
Speaker 1: she's going to find her form a little. Bit AND
Speaker 1: i think that she'll probably be the one that she's
Speaker 1: still the favorite odds on, favorite so you can't bet
Speaker 1: against her. Anyway i'm getting so. Excited i'm getting.
Speaker 2: So Excited mattery players from the early qualifying, Right, yeah that's.
Speaker 1: What we should. Do we Should AND i want to
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