1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: This episode on Britney Phillips. We need to start over 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: completely on this case. In my opinion, we need fresh eyes, 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: fresh ears, even fresh legs on this thing. We need 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: to go back to the community. Law enforcement needs time 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: to re examine, reinterview, reinvestigate, and I believe resubmit evidence. 6 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: I have now dropped to both my son and daughter 7 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: off at college. Moving them into their first apartment was 8 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: like a success and a heartbreak at the exact same time. 9 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: I was so happy for them, but at the same 10 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: time I was gonna miss them something terrible. Anything that 11 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: could make that experience easier, I just lunge toward it. 12 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: And one of the things that I found comfort in 13 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: is they were both living with friends since they had 14 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: known from elementary school or middle school that came from 15 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: wonderful families, and this helped ease my mind. So in 16 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: our case today, when the mom leaves her daughter in 17 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: her first apartment, knowing the apartment is right across the 18 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: street from her old high school, there has to be 19 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 1: comfort in that her old school resource officers right there, 20 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: just yards away from her front door, old teachers and 21 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: administrators that knew her and cared about her. Old coaches 22 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: that would have helped her in a heartbeat if anything 23 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: were to happen. You're talking about roughly fifty adults that 24 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: could have helped her child any minute, from about seven 25 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: in the morning till dinner time when practices were over. 26 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: She had access to those people to help her. I'm 27 00:01:55,080 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, and this his own seven. I started my 28 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: career in the trenches, and honey, I've stayed there for 29 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: the past forty years. I've worked every facet of the 30 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: criminal justice system, police, courts and corrections. I've worked with 31 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: law enforcement, victims of crime, and criminals to solve complex cases, 32 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: and I have genuinely befriended most of them. I've had 33 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: the opportunity to work on hundreds of some of the 34 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: most intriguing cold cases you've heard of, and thousands that 35 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: you haven't. I'm not a first responder, I'm a last responder. 36 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: Today we are talking about the murder of beautiful Brittney Phillips. 37 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: She was killed in her off campus apartment and there 38 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: was no forced entry. So let's start where it ended. 39 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: This case takes us to Tulsa, Oklahoma. Tultsa sits on 40 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: the Arkansas River. Second largest city in Oklahoma. It is 41 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: part of the Mother Road Honey Root, SI. Population is 42 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: just over four hundred thousand people. It's the home of 43 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: Garth Brooks, Alfrey Woodard, Paul Harvey, and others. But on September, 44 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: just after nine pm, the worst happened. Brittney Phillips in 45 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: her own apartment. Again no forced entry. A killer finds her, 46 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: sexually assaults her and leaves her on the floor of 47 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: her bedroom. Now did he knock on the door and 48 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: Brett let him in? Was this somebody she knew? Was 49 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: this a stranger or was he already inside the apartment? 50 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: Because there's one fact about this apartment that is the 51 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: stuff of horror movies. In her closet, there was a 52 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: little doorway, a doorway she didn't even notice, didn't know 53 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: anything about her mom never even noticed it. But that 54 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: little doorway connected Britt's apartment with other apartments, so somebody 55 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: in another area of that building could have accessed her apartment. 56 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: Friends were concerned when she didn't show back up for 57 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: school for work. She never missed work, she never miss class. 58 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: She was an honor student, she was brilliant. Police did 59 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: a welfare check and that's when the horrible discovery was made. 60 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: Brett had no boyfriend, she had no known stalker, There 61 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: was no drug use, There was no police issues. This 62 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: was a good kid, a devoted student, a good friend. 63 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: Family and friends had no idea who would want to 64 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: harm her. Police did find DNA at the same but 65 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: there were no matches in Codis. Law enforcement believes it 66 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: might be somebody that she knew, and that person might 67 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: have been aware that she lived alone. Just because she 68 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,679 Speaker 1: didn't know she had a talker doesn't mean she didn't 69 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: have one. Brittany had no known enemies. Police had again, 70 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: never been to the house for any reason. No drugs, 71 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: no alcohol, no abusive behavior, nothing, nothing that gave them 72 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: cause to suspect anyone of hurting her. This case has 73 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: been cold for eighteen years. Brittany was eighteen years old. 74 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: This case has been as cold as she was alive. 75 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: Let's talk about her circle. She had good friends, she 76 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: had classmates, a lot of them. She had people that 77 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: she knew in the apartment, even a handyman. Neighbors, past 78 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: high school connections. Again, all of her teachers and coaches 79 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: are right across the street. In there were the known 80 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: sex offenders in the area, and then they looked for 81 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: similar transaction. The sheriff, Rigaldo said, at one point and 82 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: he had two hundred and seventies six potential suspects. Let 83 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: that marinate a minute. Two hundred and seventies six suspects 84 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: in a area of town known to have no problems, 85 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: no violent crimes, no police issues. Everybody that so far 86 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: submitted their DNA didn't match anything in Codis. Nobody popped up. Now, 87 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: there was one person. They found his DNA in her 88 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: bedroom and in the kitchen, but he explained it away. 89 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: He explained why his DNA would be in there. And 90 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get right to our guest. Y'all. This woman 91 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: is a road warrior, there is no two ways about it. 92 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: She's Brittany's mama, she's got a PhD. She's a hard worker, 93 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: she's a good friend. But when I tell you, she 94 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: is tireless and fearless. She did something that is so 95 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: remarkable and just cool that when you hear what she's 96 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: done to try to find the killer of her child, 97 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna just make you fall in love 98 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: with her. So I'm gonna welcome Dr Maggie Zingman and 99 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: doctor welcome to Zone s Heaven. Thank you, Cheryl. It's 100 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: always great and it's always invigorating talking to you. Well, 101 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: let's get right to it. Worse happens. You get a 102 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: knock at the door. I get a knock at the door, 103 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: and I'm fifty miles away from Tulsa in Chandler, Oklahoma, Alma. 104 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: And the knock on the door that I get, which 105 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: was after my son was notified, was a young sheriff 106 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: who just has a little piece of paper and he 107 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: asked me, are you Maggie Zingman And I said yes, 108 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: And you hanced me this piece of paper and goes, 109 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: you need to call detective felt In your daughter has 110 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: been murdered, and then he leaves. I mean, that was 111 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: my notification. You know. I found out later my son 112 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: had been notified because they thought I was still in 113 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: Tulsa with a chaplain with two detectives. You know, he 114 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: was notified in the right way, but mine. It was 115 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: shocking anyways to hear my daughter was murdered, but to 116 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 1: be told in that way was even more unbelievable. It's 117 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: gut wrenching. And you had tried to call her a 118 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: couple of days before. Well, I actually talked her Monday night. 119 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 1: She was at school and she was having problems with 120 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: her sinuses and trying to get into doctors and she 121 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: couldn't and she would always get really upset when things 122 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: wouldn't go her way. And so I told her i'd 123 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: meet with her on the weekend like when you usually do, 124 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: and find her a doctor to go see. And then 125 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: I called her. That was Monday night, and then Tuesday 126 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: night I called her. Wednesday night, I called her, and 127 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: I knew she was in classes late those nights, so 128 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: I thought nothing of it. But Thursday night I called 129 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: her and left that typical mom message, Brittany, I know 130 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: you're okay, but please please just call me. I know 131 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: you're fine. And that was probably a like ten at night, 132 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: and at one am the next morning, which was October one, 133 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: that's when I received that knock on the door. We 134 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: all know that desperate need just let me know you're okay. 135 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: I think every mom whose child has been away from 136 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: them for ten minutes, if their next door playing with neighbors, 137 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: just let me know you're okay. You know that's instinctual. 138 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't help that, you can't. And then 139 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: every time that you do that call, you get a 140 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: call back. You know, you are used to getting those 141 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: calls back. You don't expect that knock on the door. Oh, 142 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 1: and there's no way to prepare for that. So a 143 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: lot of times, you know, people will say, oh, you 144 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: know the worst thing, What in the world would I do? Like, 145 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: what would you do if this happened? Well, I know 146 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: what you did, and it is unbelievable. So you go 147 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: to Parabon and you get a composite made of the 148 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,479 Speaker 1: suspect from the DNA the police have. So with phenotyping, 149 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: you basically have his picture. All right, y'all, Parabond, I'm 150 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: going to explain my way. I am a crime scene investigator. 151 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,719 Speaker 1: I'm not a scientist. I collect evidence to sin to 152 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: scientists to tell me what we can get from it. 153 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: But the Parabond nano labs they do something so extraordinary. 154 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: They take this nano pharmaceutical and develop DNA from phenotypes. 155 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: And what that basically means is inside your DNA are 156 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: all these little phenotype and things running all around, and 157 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: they inside tell everything about you. Your hair color, your 158 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: eye color, whether or not you have freckles, anything about 159 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: you physically is in phenotypes. Inside your body, and that 160 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: Parabond takes and develops a composite of what the person 161 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: looks like that left behind this DNA sample. So Parabon 162 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: literally puts together a composite of what the suspect looks 163 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: like based on the DNA left behind. You know, he's 164 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: a white guy with blue eyes and blonde hair and 165 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: a little bit of freckles. And what do you do 166 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: with that composite? Well, you know, it's interesting, But I 167 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: just want to step back for one second, real quickly 168 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: and say that composite was done that year fifteen after 169 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: like you said earlier, hundreds and hundreds there was Jeff Felt, 170 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,599 Speaker 1: and then there was Vic and then there was Eddie Majors. 171 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: But we had ruled out almost a thousand suspects and finally, 172 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: through me pushing for funding and getting some funding for 173 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: it to be sent to Parabond, that's where we finally, 174 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: in your sixteen and seventeen got the phenotype sketch. And 175 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: I had already wrapped three different cars that I travel 176 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 1: across the country, and and so this time I took 177 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: his picture and I put it on my hood of 178 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 1: my car. I didn't want it on the side because 179 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: I didn't want to look at his face, but I 180 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: wanted other people to look at his face. So it 181 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: was on the hood of my car. When I went 182 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: to hotels, people would be on balconies, people would come 183 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: up to the car, and so that also got us 184 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: a lot of tips. Okay, I just want to be 185 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: sure people understand what you just said, y'all. She took 186 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: that composite of the person she believed killed her daughter 187 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: and slapped it on the hood of the car and drove. 188 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: Drove to the grocery store, drove to the bank, drove 189 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: wherever she needed to go during the day. But then 190 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: she put together a road trip where she went across 191 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: the United States and back. She logged over three hundred 192 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: thousand miles. Now I was lucky enough to sit shotgun 193 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: while she came through Georgia. When I tell you the 194 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 1: attention she got from this car, the people that would 195 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: at a stop like give a thumbs up or take 196 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: a picture of the car. When we would stop to 197 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: talk to people, they would come up. They would want 198 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: to hear the whole story. And what struck me again 199 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: as a mama myself, you were champion for your child. 200 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: One person at a time you would stop and talk 201 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: to one person for thirty minutes. I saw you do it. 202 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: You came to my police department and talked to everybody 203 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: in c I d you and I even went to 204 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: some private homes and talk to people so that you 205 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: could get the word out. And then you would leave 206 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 1: the next day and go to another state. I mean, 207 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: it was a remarkable thing to see that sort of drive. 208 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: That's sort of just I'm gonna, you know, take this 209 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: on the road because I don't know where he's at, 210 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: but whether he's on a highway or a back road 211 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: or a dirt road, that's where I'm going. Really. In 212 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: two thousand seven, when I started, it was only for 213 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: our story and stuff, But by about two thousand and fifteen, 214 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: because I had met so many other homicide families and 215 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: most aren't as crazy as me. You know, they're not 216 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: driving three hundred thousand miles alone by themselves. And so 217 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: I really started focusing on every city where I was 218 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: doing a story, asking homicide survivor families to connect with 219 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: me because so many, I mean, I've met thousands who 220 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: don't have a voice, and that's a problem. Sometimes it 221 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: seems like the cold cases get the least coverage because 222 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: the missing and unidentified. You know, these are still stories 223 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: that could be solved either way, so you know there 224 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: is a sort of urgent need to solve them. But 225 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: these are urgent too because our killers, if they're not dead, 226 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: they're killing and raping. Still absolutely all right, So you're 227 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: hitting the road, you're meeting people. How does this help 228 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: bolster your case? Like, what does your local law enforcement 229 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: think about your caravan injuice? Well, it depends which ones 230 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: you're talking about. Um. For the first ten years of 231 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: my case, Jeff felt In, my detective was so unbelievable. 232 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: He was my champion. He would allow me into getting 233 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: some information on where they were because he would tell me. 234 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: And I always try to talk with criminal justice people 235 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: and I say, tell people what you can and tell 236 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: them why you can't, you know, And he would say, well, 237 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: I can't share this with you, or I'm going to 238 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: share it with you, but if it is shared with media, 239 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: you know, it could hurt our stoice. I really learned 240 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: a lot about criminal justice through that, and so he 241 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: and Mike Cupp, who was head of homicide, they were 242 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: my champions. Every new car because I'm on my fourth 243 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: car now that's been wrapped, every car that I got wrapped, 244 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: my cuffed, the head of homicide would be there. And 245 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: Mike used to say, if we solve this case, Maggie, 246 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: it's going to be because of you, because you're out there. 247 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: That changed with the third detective, Vic Regulatto, was only 248 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: my detective for one year. I didn't know he was 249 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: going to become head sheriff, which now he's there, you know, 250 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: helping out as much as he can. But after that, 251 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: there was blockage to use in cold case groups. There 252 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: was a lack of information shared, and even though he's retired, 253 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: that is pretty much. I really feel TPDE even though 254 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: I've done nothing to break their trust, They've become very 255 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: untrusting and they also don't have the resources. Every city 256 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 1: that I've gone to has has formed, like you, all 257 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: cold case groups. You know, they don't just put one 258 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: person into the second major city of Oklahoma over cold cases. 259 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it's ridiculous. And the thing is, if they 260 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: would reach out, there are resources out there that would 261 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: be willingly given to them at no cost. In the 262 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: decades since Brittany's murder, technology has advanced just ridiculously, So 263 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: you think if we could go back in time and 264 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: it her crime scene have what we have today. We 265 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: would have had access to Francine Bardola, the Bardol method 266 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: in that and Jared Bradley working it. We would have 267 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: had CC more immediately helping with the ancestry connections. We 268 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: would have had folks like Dr David Middleman, an authorom 269 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: that almost in real time can tell you who the 270 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 1: DNA belongs to. We wouldn't have wasted years in decades 271 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: testing and experts and flying people, you know, back and forth. 272 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: It wouldn't cast him a dime if they would just 273 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: reach out to these people that are more than willing 274 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: to help out, and they're saying that they are, but 275 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: so far uh from what people are telling me. I 276 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: don't know this maybe is my assumption, but dragging their 277 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: feet on allowing it. So you know, we're meeting more 278 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: and more because like you said, eighteen years alive, eighteen 279 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: years of cold case, this anniversary on October four, because 280 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: we buried her on her nineteenth birthday. It just broke 281 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: my heart because every story I did, I was saying 282 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: she was alive eighteen years, we buried her on our 283 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: nineteenth birthday. And now it's been a cold case for 284 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: eighteen years, although the first ten years they never really 285 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: called it cold because Jeff kept turning over every single suspect. 286 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: And I also wanted to just add something here. When 287 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: we discovered that DNA belonged to, you know, someone who 288 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: they said wasn't her killer. That was after using it 289 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: until two thousand nineteen to compare against suspects, every single 290 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: suspects that profile was used to, you know, say most 291 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: likely this isn't our killer because their DNA isn't matching. 292 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: So what I fought with since two thousand nineteen is 293 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: getting tell us the police to go back over a 294 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: lot of those suspects. We had some great, very bizarre 295 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: ones that you know, Jeff would go, I'm so surprised, 296 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: as DNA doesn't match. Yeah, so you drive around with 297 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: this guy's picture on your car, We all take pictures 298 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: of your hood, we all share it, and then they 299 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: call you and they say it's not him. After all 300 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 1: those miles and all those years, it's not him. I 301 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: got the call. I was on I think my twenty 302 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: caravan and I was in Yacoma, Washington, and I got 303 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: the call and when and I knew that they possibly 304 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: had a hit, but I didn't know exactly. And when 305 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: I got a call from him and it said from 306 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: Detective Majors and he said, we got a direct hit 307 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: and he's not our killer. I felt almost the same 308 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: exact way that I did when I got that notice 309 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: that she had been murdered. You know, it was like, 310 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: oh my god, that means we're back to ground zero. 311 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: How can I And one of the things I said 312 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: to him, and I said to everybody else during that 313 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: whole month long of torture, while we were explaining to 314 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: people what happened, I said, I can't. I'm not going 315 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 1: to live in another nineteen years. I don't think I'll 316 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: be alive to solve this. And that's how I felt. 317 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: And I was told that there was a good alibi, 318 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: air tight. So Mr X left seminal DNA in Brittany's 319 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: bedroom and blood evidence in the kitchen, and he explained that, hey, 320 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: sometimes my girlfriend and I would use Brittany's department for 321 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 1: a little tryst, and you know, possibly I got hurt 322 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: once whatever, and that was it. They accepted it had 323 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,959 Speaker 1: moved on. When you and I talked, one of the 324 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: things that we agreed on is if that is true, 325 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: then there should be vaginal fluid from another female, not Brittany, 326 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: on that same piece of evidence. And if that's not 327 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: the case, then we have an issue that needs to 328 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 1: be cleared up. And each meeting that I've had, a 329 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: meeting I had in February and one later, um I 330 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: was told they were going to analyze it. Of course, 331 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: since they don't share anything with me, I don't know 332 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: if they had, but I know both you and you're 333 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: a code case group, and I know Sheriff Regulatto and 334 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: his code case group, which also includes FBI agents. I mean, 335 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: it includes a lot of retired experts. I know. Those 336 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: are the questions you asked and the feeling I get 337 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: when I asked these questions, and it's like, you can't 338 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: see this, but a little pat on the shoulder. You're 339 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: just a homicide mother. It's okay. You don't understand this stuff. 340 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Maybe some don't, but I've been educated by 341 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: some of the best, like you, like Jeff, like vic 342 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,239 Speaker 1: so I do understand that. Along with that, you know, 343 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: there's stuff that in two thousand four, we didn't have 344 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: the ability to analyze DNA the way we do now. Absolutely. 345 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 1: We have such gift nowadays with Francine Bardole and Jared 346 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: Bradley and orthrom Are you kidding me? It's a whole 347 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: different world today. There's touch DNA, there's the m VAC, 348 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: you know. And I had a meeting and I asked him, 349 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: are you using these things you know and stuff? And 350 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: I was totally were. But again, everywhere I travel, and 351 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: that's three hundred thousand miles, and that's probably three hundred 352 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: cities and probably at least two hundred police departments I've 353 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: talked to, every single one of them says hell, yeah, 354 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: we have asked this cold case group to come in, 355 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: or yeah, hey we got funding to develop our own 356 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: nonprofit cold case group from all the experts. And when 357 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: I first was asking at Majors about this, way back 358 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: in the early years of him doing this, every time 359 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: I asked him until the year he retired, I kept saying, 360 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: he goes, well, you know, we have such great detectives here. 361 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: I said, it's not about great detectives or anything. It's 362 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: on old cases having a fresh set advice. You know what, 363 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: They might prove that you've done everything that is possible, 364 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: or they might be able to see some corners that 365 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,959 Speaker 1: you couldn't see around. It's about wanting help to solve 366 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: these cases. And on the front line, I'm always told, 367 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: you know, we're dedicated, you know, and you shouldn't feel 368 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: this way, you know how Almost some meetings I've had 369 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: it's like, how dare you feel like we're not working 370 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: the case? How dare you ask for a cold case investigators? 371 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. I'm tired, you know, and you know me. Uh. 372 00:24:55,520 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: In earlier interviews, I've I've been good, you know with Jeff, 373 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 1: I applauded tp D. You know I had no reason 374 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: to complain. Um, but this is ridiculous. Well, here's the 375 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: bottom line. I believe they're dedicated, I know they're good, 376 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean you don't need some help exactly. 377 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: I mean I was a dedicated, good parent, but honey, 378 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: I needed help a lot. And that doesn't do and 379 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: that that's not a negative thing. I mean, I've got 380 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: four sisters that absolutely helped raise my children. There's nothing 381 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: negative with that. If anything, it made my children more 382 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: incredible people, period. Bottom line. So ask for help, and 383 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: even if you don't ask it, if it's offered, freaking 384 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 1: take it. It's important to get that, you know, fresh 385 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 1: set of eyes, and to learn about these new people 386 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: and these new tools that maybe you don't know. And 387 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: people ask me all the time, hey, do you know 388 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: so and so that's a medical examine or do you 389 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: know so and so a homicide detective? Just because I've 390 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: never heard of them, don't And that doesn't mean they're 391 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: not faculous. It just means I haven't heard of them yet. 392 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: But tell me about them now. I know. Now they 393 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: can go in my Rolo dex. Happy day. It's all good, 394 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: all right, Let's walk through the crime step by step. 395 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: Like I said, I called her at nine nine pm 396 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: was probably when I talked to her on the so 397 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 1: what they told me and I met Jeff the next morning. 398 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: I drove down there by myself, and you know, her 399 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: body had already been taken away. They identified it by 400 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 1: the license, which upset me. But Jeff was there relatively soon, 401 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: and what he initially told me was that some time 402 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: between nine pm and eight am, which would have been 403 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:50,959 Speaker 1: the Tuesday morning, that she was raped and suffocated, and 404 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: that she probably died immediately. That they didn't find any 405 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: literature marks on her. But I remember them telling me 406 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: that possibly there was some very faint thumb prints. And 407 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: the fact was that she was dead for three days. 408 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 1: That friend who you know, had them do a wellness check. 409 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: That was after she didn't show up at school on Wednesday. Thursday, 410 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: she came there and that's when she called the Tulsa Police. 411 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,199 Speaker 1: So I don't know a lot about dead buddies, but 412 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: you know, because of the swelling, because of all that, 413 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: and then she was also found beside her bed on 414 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: the floor. Normally her pillow would be up near the 415 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 1: wall and so she would be lying with her head 416 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 1: near the wall. She was beside the bed on the 417 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: side with her head in the opposite direction, on her back, 418 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: And I remember the detective telling me it seemed like 419 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: possibly somebody had placed her clothes back on her made 420 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: it look like she had just fallen out of bed, 421 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: and she had her t shirt and underwear on. And 422 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: so they also when I came there, because they had 423 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: already done the crime scene investigation, there is a love 424 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: that spray or whatever on the walls. They really do 425 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: feel she put up a fight, which breaks my heart. 426 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: But they also said that she died they think from 427 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: something collapsing in her neck. That happens with some wrestlers 428 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: that pressures put on the neck. So that's what I 429 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: was told then, you know, And that's also you mentioned 430 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: this earlier. That's when Jeff, who was I still think 431 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: he is six ft three six ft four, went into 432 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: the closet and he said, are you aware of this? 433 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: And he pointed up to the ceiling and there was 434 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: maybe a three foot square piece of wood up in 435 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: the ceiling which was access to the attic, and he 436 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: moved and showed that he could pull himself up. And 437 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: he was a pretty big guy, you know, not just tall, 438 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: but also not he may she eat it or anything, 439 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: and he could have pulled it. So, yes, all four 440 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: of the upstairs apartments had attic access two and so 441 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: they all joined kind in the middle, like if you 442 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: think of the middle of the wheel, you can go 443 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,719 Speaker 1: to either of the apartments from that center. That's the 444 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: thing of a horror movie, it is. It is just 445 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: the idea, whether it's a handyman, whether it's a neighbor, 446 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: whether it's somebody that used to work there or used 447 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: to live there, laying cable, laying telephone bugga, you know, 448 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: And were they up there observing her before that. I mean, 449 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,239 Speaker 1: I know they searched up there. I don't think they 450 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: found anything, but you know, you just if it was 451 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: a stalker, how long was he up there? You know? 452 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: And there's another thing too, is that gosh, I think 453 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: before she went away because she went down to Texas 454 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: to visit a friend. And that's a whole another thing 455 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: about the case. But she went down to visit a 456 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: friend in Texas and then she was killed about less 457 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: than a month when she got back, because that was 458 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: in August. Before that, she had said that she came 459 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: home and she found urine in the toilet and she 460 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: didn't remember doing that, and there was no toilet paper. Yeah, 461 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: but again I didn't think anything really about it. Tell 462 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: me how many interviews you think you've done with media, Well, 463 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: tell us a media. Channel six, especially Laurie Fulbright, Channel 464 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: two and Channel six and Fox twenty three have followed 465 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: me religiously, even though I've retired a number of reporters. 466 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: But between them and all my travels, at least three 467 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: hundred on the road and probably another hundred um here. 468 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: I'm very lucky that Tulsa still follows us and everything, 469 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: and sometimes especially with Channel six we've shared information that 470 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: tp D did not share. And one of the major 471 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: things is, and this is still causing problems, is when 472 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: I got back to Tulsa after I was informed about 473 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: the DNA not matching. The reason we knew it didn't 474 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: match was because C. C. Moore analyzed it and found 475 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: a direct hit to the owner. That's the same DNA 476 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: that the picture was made from. When Tulsa Police announced it, 477 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: they announced it as DNA was used to create a 478 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: picture and a tip came in from the picture and 479 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: that individual was ruled out. So tell me what's the difference. 480 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I know, you know, what's the difference between 481 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: saying a tip came in and we ruled out this 482 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: individual versus we had a direct hit to the DNA 483 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: We identified the owner of that DNA, that blood sample, 484 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: that semen, that DNA which said he was Caucasian, which 485 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: said he looked like this that DNA. If we're saying 486 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: it's not our killer, it's no longer viable. So a 487 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: lot of people were still thinking he was you know, 488 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: and he may well be, but it started still restricting 489 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: our pool of tips because they were still thinking he's Caucasian, 490 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: he's mid twenties. They weren't thinking that he could be Asian, African, American, Polynesian, whatever, 491 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: you know. And so I, with Laurie Philby, broke the 492 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: news that you know, it was the DNA because it's 493 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: so important. And I still get people whose go, oh, 494 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: so a tip came in and it wasn't the killer. 495 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: It's so different. I mean, you know that I was 496 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: utterly god smacked by the whole thing. I mean, I 497 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: was so knocked out. I mean I talked to you 498 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: that day and I'm like, Maggie, how in the world. 499 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: And the other thing that crossed my mind is, how 500 00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: does this guy watch you drive a hundred thousand miles, 501 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: two hundred thousand miles, three hundred thousand miles a year 502 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: after year after year and he don't say, Hey, the 503 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: hood of your car looks like me. But I didn't 504 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: do it. I've already got an alibi. Hey, don't say 505 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: a word. Hey, let you drive all over creation never 506 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: says a word. Yeah, I go both ways. Part of 507 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: me says, you know, back in two thousand four, I 508 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: didn't understand DNA, and what I was told by some 509 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: people back then who were aware of it, him and 510 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: her back then said they all thought that the DNA 511 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: was found inside of Britty and it wasn't. And so 512 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: I understand that a little bit. But the fact is 513 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: is we just need to have everything really looked at again. 514 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: We need to be understanding that the possible killer could 515 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: be of any culture of anywhere. Now let's talk about 516 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: the suspects in this case. They looked at friends, neighbors, 517 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: local criminal, still nobody, They still have no clue. And 518 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: all these people they looked at, they compared that DNA 519 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: profile and I go fault them. In those early years, 520 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,760 Speaker 1: blood and seamen from the same person, even a non detective, 521 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: I would think that's the killer. So I don't fault that. 522 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 1: And in those first ten years, that's where the thousands 523 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: of suspects came. So law enforcement got the DNA and 524 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: they connected it to a young man that had access 525 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: to Britney's apartment that sometimes would use her apartment and 526 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 1: her bedroom supposedly to have a sexual tryst with his girlfriend. 527 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:48,720 Speaker 1: This explained why his DNA would be on her sheets 528 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: or bedspread. I feel very differently about that. Re submit 529 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: evidence start over look harder, because not only did this 530 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: young man have eminal fluid present. He had blood evidence 531 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: present in the sink. I would start over. Nobody's off 532 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: the table if we don't have a suspect. There were 533 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 1: relatives of people who lived in the apartment that we 534 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: found out had some sexual crimes, which if we find 535 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 1: out that's one of the individuals, that apartment complex is 536 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: going to find a very large lawsuit because they've let 537 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,439 Speaker 1: a lot of people be at risk there. They never 538 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: told people that Britty was murdered there, and I would 539 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: tell families and people moving in. We had some suspects 540 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: that we're pretending to be part of the investigation that 541 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: we ruled out through the d NA. We had some 542 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: people who were violent, you know. We had some old 543 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: boyfriends that Britty had some issues with, all ruled out 544 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: through the d NA. The thing is, if this young 545 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,879 Speaker 1: man is truly not our killer, we need to be 546 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 1: looking at every single one of those suspects again. And 547 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: when I say that to the current detective and the 548 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: one before Eddie, I'm told, well, you know, all the 549 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,479 Speaker 1: other DNA was up in codis and now I think 550 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: that they were interviewed, they've already been ruled out. The 551 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 1: DNA we used is constantly not the killer. Yeah, I mean, 552 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,320 Speaker 1: it's just crazy. There's even an individual. You know, my daughter. 553 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: What I found out, god like eight years after her 554 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: murder is that part of the reason I didn't know this, 555 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: she went down to Texas. It's a big beach down 556 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 1: in southern Texas. Now it's glo Galveston. I can hear 557 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: it in the back of my head. Anyway, she went 558 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 1: down to Southern Texas. A friend of hers that she 559 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: went to school with, it I knew very well was 560 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: living down there. What I didn't know is that her 561 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: friend had been assaulted and she and one her classmate 562 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 1: actually who I think was the one who did the 563 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: wellness check on her, went down there to support the friend. 564 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 1: And about years after the murder, her friend called me 565 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: and said, do you know why Brittany came down here? 566 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: And that it had been a boyfriend of the friends 567 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: that has assaulted her and raped her. And so you know, 568 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 1: I gave the police his name. I don't remember it 569 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 1: anymore because we didn't know if because Brittie was down 570 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: there helping her and telling him to stay away, he 571 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: could have followed her back. You know, these are all 572 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: these really good suspects that were ruled out with the 573 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 1: d n A. And and again, if we're right that 574 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: this young man is not her killer, all these suspects 575 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 1: need to be looked at. And that's why a group 576 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,919 Speaker 1: like yours, vic's cold case group, let them look at it, 577 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: you know, let them look at these suspects again. And 578 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 1: even Jeff sometime, I mean, he still stays in touch, 579 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: and he said, you know, I wish I was a 580 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: little bit more old school. I wish I hadn't fully 581 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: focused on that DNA. And he he of that case. 582 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,319 Speaker 1: He still lives the case. He's an encyclopedia, and there's 583 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 1: the current detectives only briefly talks to him every now 584 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: and then. Well, you know my mantra, every tool on 585 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: every case, every time. That's it. You don't pick and 586 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: choose or we're gonna polygraph on this one and we're 587 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 1: gonna you know, do or thro them on this one. No, 588 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: every time, everything you got, full court press, period. I 589 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: think everybody needs to be reinterviewed. I think the evidence 590 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 1: needs to be retested. I think they need to go 591 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: back ground zero, walk it again, do it again. Well, 592 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 1: there's a good story even in CC more analyzing this 593 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: DNA and not finding the killer. The one good point 594 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 1: that I use about c C is that you know, 595 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,719 Speaker 1: when I have traveled across country, because along with trying 596 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,240 Speaker 1: to solve our murder, I've been an advocate for DNA 597 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 1: at arrest, which we took me nine years to get 598 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:58,359 Speaker 1: it past here in Oklahoma. But people go, oh, well, 599 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 1: they can just take that DNA and put it somewhere 600 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: and falsely convict somebody. And so now I can go, hey, 601 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 1: guess what our case, we had a direct hit to 602 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: the DNA, and because there was no more evidence, we 603 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: couldn't commit. That's a really important fact, you know, to 604 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:20,720 Speaker 1: argue tells the police Eddie Majors would not let media 605 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:25,760 Speaker 1: talk to cecmore because they were contracted and with parabun 606 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 1: she couldn't you know, And that was we were going 607 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 1: to even do the story nationally, but they wouldn't allow it. 608 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,840 Speaker 1: Why don't you tell everybody about what happened to you 609 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: between Montana and Wyoming? Talk about off the beaten path. Well, 610 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: you know, Cheryl, along with many other people, admire greatly 611 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 1: what I do, but they also think them a little 612 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: bit crazy. Yeah, because since two thousand seven, I've traveled 613 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: three hundred thousand miles through forty eight states, all self funded, 614 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: and it's been about twenty two tours for the first 615 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,839 Speaker 1: ten years. Even though I know there was GPS, I 616 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 1: didn't use GPS, you know, I used if people are familiar, 617 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 1: those big foot big atlas is and so I would 618 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,720 Speaker 1: just find a route. Well, I was traveling, I forget 619 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: what year in two thousand and twelve, between Wyoming and Montana, 620 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: and back then I would drive, you know, ten hours 621 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 1: it took me to get to city. So I started 622 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 1: off in the day in Wyoming on this seemingly okay road. 623 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it was too late, but it seemed okay. 624 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,320 Speaker 1: As it got darker and darker, all of a sudden, 625 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 1: I started seeing free rome animals. Beware. So for the 626 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: next four hours, I'm driving in the dark back on 627 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: some country road of Wyoming, and I'm just waiting for 628 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,320 Speaker 1: a buffalo or a cow or a chicken, And luckily 629 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 1: nothing came out. But every five miles ago, beware, free 630 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: roam animals or free range animals, you know, I mean, 631 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 1: you know, those were things that I took a big 632 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,400 Speaker 1: chance with. I mean I have a number of stories 633 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: like that, but that one was just crazy, and so finally, 634 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 1: after a couple of years, I started using GPS and 635 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 1: staying on you know, because part of the thing was, 636 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 1: especially on those back country roads. I mean, half the 637 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,239 Speaker 1: reason I've had four cars wrapped with pictures of her 638 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 1: and caravan to catch a killer on the sides is 639 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 1: so that people can see the car, because just from 640 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 1: seeing caravan, they searched me out on a back country 641 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,799 Speaker 1: road in the middle of the night with free roaming animals, 642 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 1: and nobody sees the car. That's right, though. Well, you 643 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 1: and I have talked a lot, and I know you 644 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 1: have said you're not stopping even if they take your 645 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 1: driver's license. So I'm just telling you I will one 646 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,320 Speaker 1: day go on Facebook and see you head down the 647 00:41:54,400 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 1: road and your motorized wheelchair, probably speeding, probably though it 648 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 1: might take me five hours to go ten miles. Hopefully 649 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 1: I will do this until I can't drive anymore. I'm 650 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:12,439 Speaker 1: getting older. I really want to do this more. And 651 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,240 Speaker 1: I you know, back in the first uh fifteen years 652 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: really of doing this, um or probably first twelve, I 653 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 1: really had no money. I would live without heat in 654 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 1: my house, I would live without food, I would live 655 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 1: when my water heat it broke. I didn't replace it. 656 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,160 Speaker 1: For years. I would borrow on my cards which were 657 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 1: falling apart um, just so I could do at least 658 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 1: two caravans every year, you know. I mean, I lived 659 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 1: without a lot because I worked for the state and 660 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,040 Speaker 1: I didn't have a great income, And so now I 661 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,240 Speaker 1: really can afford to do it more so I'm trying. 662 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,320 Speaker 1: Although I'm a trauma psychologist, I work with veteran God 663 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,279 Speaker 1: bless them, today I'd like to sort of slow down 664 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 1: a little bit and work or do it as I travel, 665 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,320 Speaker 1: and just get out there because I'm gonna be sixty 666 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,879 Speaker 1: eight next February. I can't believe I've been doing this 667 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:10,320 Speaker 1: for sixteen of the eighteen years that she's been dead. Well, 668 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 1: I appreciate you, and I just I'm so thankful you're 669 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 1: here to talk to us today, and I am gonna 670 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,279 Speaker 1: just pray that year nineteen is the year ever since 671 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,840 Speaker 1: I met you. You've been such a bright light in 672 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,880 Speaker 1: my life, and you know, you have a place in 673 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,800 Speaker 1: my heart, so I couldn't do it without you. My opinion, 674 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 1: law enforcement needs to reinterview every single one of Britney's 675 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:39,279 Speaker 1: friends who had access to her apartment, who had an 676 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 1: extra key? Did she have a spare key hidden somewhere 677 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,760 Speaker 1: that a few people knew about. Some of these friends 678 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 1: are now parents themselves. Help Maggie with answers. Even if 679 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:59,440 Speaker 1: you don't think it's something significant law enforcement might. Let's 680 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,879 Speaker 1: help law enforcement by spreading the word to encourage witnesses 681 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,920 Speaker 1: to come forward. The phone number for the talks that 682 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:16,840 Speaker 1: he did, it's five nine six nine one three five. 683 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna end Zone seven the way I always do 684 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,239 Speaker 1: with a quote from a friend, and this comes from 685 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,400 Speaker 1: Dr Christine Middleman, and she says, work on things that 686 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 1: keep you up at night, be the change every single day. 687 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 1: Never give up and know that one day your work 688 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 1: will be the answer in the change in someone else's life. 689 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,320 Speaker 1: I'm Cheryl McCollum, and this is Zone seven.