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Speaker 1: Happy Monday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 1: What do we have bristle Indeed, we do so many

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Speaker 1: good stories to you. Talk to you about this morning.

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Speaker 1: First of all, one of the most incredible things I've

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Speaker 1: ever seen unfolded on CNN, and I cannot wait to

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Speaker 1: share it with you. It's really it's really quite something.

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Speaker 1: I'll just leave it at that. The Biden administration intelligence

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Speaker 1: agencies starting to think maybe the lab leak is really

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Speaker 1: a thing. Doctor Fauci still believes more zoonatic. We'll give

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Speaker 1: you all the details there. The Delta variant is surging

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Speaker 1: and some places are taking extreme action. We'll bring in

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Speaker 1: the details of whether that seems warranted or not. Caitlyn

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Speaker 1: Jenner has hired a film crew with her own money

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Speaker 1: to film her run for governor. Is this a really governor? Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: It was kind of apparent from the beginning, but apparently

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Speaker 1: got Lewis Rossman on really to talk to him about

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Speaker 1: the right to repair, but we wanted to start with

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Speaker 1: some big moves from the Biden administration that are really

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Speaker 1: quite something. I mean, this really just set the Internet

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Speaker 1: happened on Friday, when the Press Secretary of Jensaki said

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Speaker 1: that if you're banned from one social media platform, you

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Speaker 1: should be banned from all others in an escalating campaign

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Speaker 1: in order to kick people off the internet, this time

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Speaker 1: for anti vax sentiment, but setting a very dangerous precedent.

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Speaker 1: I'll let her just say it in her own words.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen. Providing for Facebook or other platforms to

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Speaker 1: measure and publicly share the impact of misinformation on their

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Speaker 1: with all of you to create robust enforcement strategies that

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Speaker 1: for providing misinformation out there. Notice what she said there,

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Speaker 1: she said misinformation. Now we have talked I don't even

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Speaker 1: know how much on the show about who defines what

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Speaker 1: misinformation is? Misinformation would have meant currently, would have meant

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Speaker 1: a year ago that the lab leak theories. You should

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Speaker 1: be banned from all social media platforms for promoting that.

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Speaker 1: Many people were in fact banned right now California, which

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Speaker 1: White House Chief of Staff Ron Klaine said that he

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Speaker 1: States government, the White House, the political administration, the elected

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Speaker 1: further saying, not only should be you removed from Facebook altogether,

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Speaker 1: and can't say, you know whatever about Antifa or Black

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Speaker 1: administration to fight misinformation, and it comes in Facebook. We'll

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Speaker 1: this is the polar opposite of what they portrayed to

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Speaker 1: That is truly, truly stunning. No. Absolutely, And you saw

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Speaker 1: and this is something he's doing. He called Facebook out specifically.

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Speaker 1: What's your methods? The platforms like Facebook? They're killing people.

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Speaker 1: You know, Crystal, this is so reductive, and it's just

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Speaker 1: airport avoidable. What I have noticed is that, yeah, they

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Speaker 1: tried to return to twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen coverage of

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Speaker 1: Biden of a few other things, but now they are

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Speaker 1: all in back on Trump. Is he going to run again?

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Speaker 1: What does his statement say? This whole thing about if

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Speaker 1: I would have had a coup, then this is how

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Speaker 1: I would have done it. Generals were terrified in December

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00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 1: of you know, six months ago, even though nothing's happening

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Speaker 1: right now, and then now what are they doing? Also,

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing the exact same thing, fear mongering over the

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Speaker 1: Delta variant, which we will get to. But they're trying

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Speaker 1: to create, recreate the COVID magic, COVID and Trump at

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Speaker 1: the same time, plus Black Lives Matter and the January

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00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: sixth Capitol riot. They were the greatest thing that ever

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00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: happened to these people. It was live because think about it,

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Speaker 1: You got to think about what these people are really

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Speaker 1: good at. Live pictures, breaking news, bringing in varieties of experts,

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00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: trying to have you know, that's the organ of mass media.

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00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 1: That's kind of what it was. Outrage, Fake tribal outrage

447
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,239
Speaker 1: is the byproduct though, because they have to fill in

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00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: all that airtime in between and also get people ginned

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Speaker 1: up for every once in a while when they have

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Speaker 1: a useful segment. So this is what's happened, is that

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Speaker 1: now they're trying to recreate all of that with the

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Speaker 1: Delta Marian and talking about Trump absolutely twenty four to seven.

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Speaker 1: So I think it, you know, it's like you said,

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Speaker 1: there's no heroes in the Michael Wolf Brian Stelter story.

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Speaker 1: But Michael Wolfe is right, which is that I mean,

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Speaker 1: Brian Stelter, we covered this. He got higher ratings on

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Speaker 1: his show when he was on vacation. Like that guy

458
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Speaker 1: is literally I mean, I've seen him referred to as

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Speaker 1: the media's janitor, which is that anytime the Washington Post

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Speaker 1: or whatever screws up, it's all, well, here's why it's

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00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 1: really Trump's fault, or here's why you still should trust

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Speaker 1: the media. An accurate self reflection of twenty sixteen, which

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Speaker 1: actually did occur in some places, and I really did

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Speaker 1: appreciate there were very few and far between people being like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I missed it, I screwed up. You know what, the

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Speaker 1: entire country has been changing over the last eight years.

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Speaker 1: We focused too much on Obama and all of these

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Speaker 1: false promises. We tried to build Hillary up into something

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Speaker 1: that anybody with the brain could have seen that she

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Speaker 1: was one of the worst political candidates of all time,

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Speaker 1: and we should just admit we completely screwed the pooch.

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Speaker 1: There was a brief period, but then what happened, Hillary

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Speaker 1: and many of these other people started blaming fake news

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Speaker 1: on Facebook, and this is why it all I think

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00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: comes full circle, which is that I think Biden and

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Speaker 1: many of these establishment liberals they believe in their bones

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Speaker 1: that Trump was elected in twenty sixteen because of fake

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Speaker 1: news and misinformation on Facebook. They can't accept for a

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Speaker 1: moment that millions of people lost their faith in the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party or even media, or even in all of

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Speaker 1: our institutions of higher life. And they just want to

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00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: say square you. They want to hold up a middle

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Speaker 1: finger to you, specifically Brian Stelter to you, President Joe Biden,

484
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Speaker 1: to you, Jensaki. But it's much more convenient to be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: their brains are rotted by Facebook. Many of them are. Uh,

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Speaker 1: but I wouldn't blame Facebook though necessarily. And I think

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Speaker 1: that when you see full circle around what they want

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Speaker 1: to blame and what they don't, then you see how

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Speaker 1: they choose to use the levers of porce ill. Just

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Speaker 1: think about CNN, Like, how can you go out there

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Speaker 1: with a straight face and be like, we're, as Michael

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Speaker 1: Will put it, virtuous news. We're accurate and unbiased and

493
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: just calling balls and strikes here? How many see what

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Speaker 1: Andrew Cuoman and Chris Cuomo were doing, Like, give me

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Speaker 1: a break, Come on, I mean, we saw how they

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Speaker 1: were happy to prop up one political candidate who was

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Speaker 1: a useful foil to Trump and completely ignore like Anny

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Speaker 1: conflicts of interest with his brother who's a primetime host

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Speaker 1: who was literally advising him, giving him campaign strategy, political

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Speaker 1: advice at the time, and getting VIP treatment in terms

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Speaker 1: of his own coronavirus testing and the networks just like

502
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: little slap on the wrist and continue forward, like just

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00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 1: as one little example of why maybe people don't have

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00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: so much trust in the media. That's it right there,

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Speaker 1: And I mean, the irony with Michael Wolfe is like,

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Speaker 1: this is the other part that's really funny. Is part

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00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: of what's given the media justification to really reinsert Trump

508
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: into the middle of everything is that there are a

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Speaker 1: couple of these new books, Trump books that have come out.

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Speaker 1: It's about the right timing. Post administration, people have had

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00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: time to get their you know, their books out and

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Speaker 1: on the shelves, et cetera, et cetera. Wolf's being one

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Speaker 1: of them. And the funny thing is, like, you know,

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00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: this guy's fairly discredited in terms of being an accurate

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00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: source of information, but because he gives them these salacious

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Speaker 1: little tidbits from in the administration. A lot of these

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Speaker 1: outlets report it as if it's fact, even though they

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Speaker 1: know what you and I know that you know a

519
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Speaker 1: lot of this. Some of it is true. I'm sure

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00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,719
Speaker 1: some of it is sort of true. Some of it

521
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: is just completely fabricated and given to him by someone

522
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: who has their own agenda to push. They know all

523
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: of that, but they can't resist it, and so in ratings,

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00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: it's really ironic that he would be the one telling

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Speaker 1: them the truth about who they are and what they're

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Speaker 1: actually doing and how they are the problem in terms

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Speaker 1: of the media, because he's playing into that dynamic very

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00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: cleverly and feeding them exactly the type of juicy tidbits

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Speaker 1: about Trump and about the Trump administration that they themselves

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00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: want to consume. So it's like a it's a full

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Speaker 1: service economy here between the two of us, completely right,

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Speaker 1: and you know, it's just funny just speaking to their future. Uh,

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Speaker 1: let's put this up there, which is that MSNBC's Casey Hunt,

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Speaker 1: the former host of the early morning program at like

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Speaker 1: five AM, has now been hired by CNN to the

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Speaker 1: tune of reportedly between a million and one point five

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Speaker 1: million dollars in order to beef up their push into streaming,

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Speaker 1: to which I say, case a, CNN, welcome to the game.

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Speaker 1: You may discover here in the Internet world of actual

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00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: people of especially younger people, not boomers. So you can

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Speaker 1: scare that a lot of the people here don't want

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00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: to hear anything you have to say. And in many

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Speaker 1: of the ways that you guys know how to report

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00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: the news and all that. Yeah, good luck, that's all

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00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: I have to say. We shouldn't be too mean. But

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Speaker 1: it is funny you pair it with MSNBC's Nicole Wallace

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00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: them being like, yeah, we're going to do extra streaming

548
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: on Peacock. Look, people, people only subscribe to Peacock for

549
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: one reason because the office is on it. That's it.

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00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: If they didn't have that, they'd be totally screwed. And

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00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: it's funny, like nobody wants to watch b rate like

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00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: whatever doesn't make it to air on MSNBC, which is

553
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: already extremely lowly rated during the day, They're going to

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00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: put that on a streaming. Why would you want to

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Speaker 1: watch that? Same with that with Morning Joe. Oh, extra

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Speaker 1: Morning Joe content. That's what the people cry out for

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00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: on their streaming networks. It's a total joke and it

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00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: just shows that they are not even close to equipped

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Speaker 1: for battle in the actual new media noch. Cable news

560
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: is not like a competitive ecosystem. People have it on

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Speaker 1: in the background, you know, it's like the default on

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Speaker 1: their mute, on their channel. It's on at the airport,

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Speaker 1: it's on in the restaurant in the background. And so

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Speaker 1: you've your numbers, and having worked in cable news, I

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00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: can tell you this, like your numbers and your ratings

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00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: are very much dependent on like whoever was watching before

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Speaker 1: you showed up. So it's a very different dynamic because

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Speaker 1: people are not in most cases. There are a few exceptions,

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Speaker 1: I would say Rachel Maddow Tucker probably being the two

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Speaker 1: primary ones. There are a few exceptions where people are

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Speaker 1: appointment viewing. I'm showing up for this person at this time.

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Speaker 1: Most of it is just by default, and if you

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Speaker 1: take away that default audience, there is is literally no audience.

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Speaker 1: So the idea that and again this is not to

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Speaker 1: be like mean the Casey Hunt in particular, who I

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Speaker 1: knew at MSNBC and was always very nice and lovely

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Speaker 1: to me. But the idea that there's anyone who's going

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Speaker 1: to like affirmatively seek out Casey Hunt and what she

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Speaker 1: has to say about politics, got especially like any of

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Speaker 1: these people is it's funny. I mean, it's just hilarious.

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Speaker 1: It's like and it also there's a larger conversation about

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Speaker 1: the people, the executives who make this choice and think

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Speaker 1: that these millions of dollars on Nicole Wallace are on

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Speaker 1: Casey Hunt in a big streaming bet to appeal to

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Speaker 1: young Americans, thinking that this is a good use of resources,

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Speaker 1: Like it also really really undercuts the whole idea of

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Speaker 1: the meritocracy that these are our best and brightest. Who

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00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: are these executives running these companies Because it's a hilarious idea,

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00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: and on YouTube and in streaming and where you have

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Speaker 1: to have an audience that actually shows up for you,

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00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: very few of these people would ultimately succeed. Their success

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00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: is dependent on the default sensibility of the network, the

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Speaker 1: people who have this on in the background all day

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Speaker 1: every day, and you could swap out this anchor, that anchor,

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00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: this pundit that pundit, and really ultimately doesn't matter all

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00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: that much or make that much of a difference with again,

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Speaker 1: with a very very few limited exceptions. It also does

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Speaker 1: remind me, and this does circle back to like the

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Speaker 1: Brian Seltermichael Wolf thing, is Trump really saved these networks.

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00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: They were dying, cord cutting, like their content was boring,

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00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: it was repetitive. People were tuning out, especially young people

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00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: who have continued to tune out, by the way. But

603
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: because they got this giant bump from basically boomers resistance

604
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: boomers on one side, like Trump boomers on the other side,

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Speaker 1: it really it gave them this new life. It gave

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Speaker 1: them this renaissance, and I think they started to believe

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Speaker 1: their own hype that this was actually something they created,

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Speaker 1: something that they did right. And that's how you can

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Speaker 1: end up with these very we'll just say perplexing programming choices.

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Speaker 1: Good luck, That's all we have to say. Hey, so,

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Speaker 1: show notes. All Right, we got another interesting piece here

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Speaker 1: for you about lab leak and where the how the

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Speaker 1: consensus has moved incredibly traumatically. It's another CNN Terri show.

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Speaker 1: Does there are this oa there on the screen? So

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Speaker 1: apparently according to CNL, According to CNN, so taking it

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Speaker 1: with a great assault, senior Biden officials are finding the

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Speaker 1: COVID lab leak theory is just as credible as the

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Speaker 1: natural origins explanation. And of course why is this notable? Well,

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Speaker 1: because for so long we were told that you have

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Speaker 1: to be crazy, racist, xenophobic, etc. To even pose it

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Speaker 1: that it was possible that the lableak theory could be true,

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Speaker 1: or say, hey, you know, maybe we should look into that,

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Speaker 1: maybe this is a path that it's worth exploration. And

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Speaker 1: the reality is, like, we still don't know whether it's

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Speaker 1: natural origin or lab leak. We might have had a

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Speaker 1: better chance of actually finding that out if there had

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Speaker 1: been an aggressive push from the media from the jump,

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Speaker 1: looking just at the facts and the science and what

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Speaker 1: we knew and what we didn't know and pushing the

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Speaker 1: Chinese government for more information and all of that from

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Speaker 1: the beginning. But we are where we are. But it's

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Speaker 1: just remarkable turnabout that. Now even the Biden administration is

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Speaker 1: saying it's kind of a fifty to fifty chance either way.

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Speaker 1: They part of the report here says current intelligence reinforces

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Speaker 1: the belief that the virus most likely originated naturally from

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Speaker 1: animal human contact and was not deliberately engineered, but that

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Speaker 1: does not preclude the possibility the virus was the result

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Speaker 1: of an accidental leak from the Wuhan Institute of Virology

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Speaker 1: or coronavirus was being conducted on bats. Although many scientists

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Speaker 1: familiar with the research they such as a leak is unlikely.

647
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: So they're still putting a lot of caveats in there.

648
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Speaker 1: But basically the bottom line is now they really feel

649
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Speaker 1: like it's fifty to fifty. It could go either way. Yeah,

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00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: they do. And there's a lot also in here, which

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Speaker 1: is that on Thursday, which the Director General of the

652
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: who tadros I can't say his last name, we'll all

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00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: remember him from the early months when he was spouting

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Speaker 1: China's lives. He now says it was quote premature to

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Speaker 1: dismiss the possibility of the lab league. So even the

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Speaker 1: guy bought by China says that it was premature. That's

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Speaker 1: where things stand. But don't worry, our fearless doctor Fauci

658
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: is still out there defending the natural origin theory. Let's

659
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Speaker 1: take a listen to what he said. I think just

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Speaker 1: yesterday CNN has learned that some senior Biden officials think

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Speaker 1: that the lab leak theory, which has been talked about

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Speaker 1: for a while now, is at least as credible as

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Speaker 1: the natural origins explanation. Has your thinking on this changed

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Speaker 1: at all? Does that align with your thinking on this?

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Speaker 1: I keep an open mind and say that we should

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00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: consider all possibilities until we definitively prove one. But I,

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Speaker 1: together with many a highly qualified vaccinologists, including and virologists

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Speaker 1: I mean, including a recent paper by twenty one internationally

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Speaker 1: renowned virologists and evolutionary biologists from all over the world,

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Speaker 1: indicate that although we keep an open mind, that it

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Speaker 1: is possible that it could be, as they say, a

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Speaker 1: lab leak, that the most likely explanation is a natural

673
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Speaker 1: evolution from an animal reservoir to a human. Now, look,

674
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Speaker 1: he's actually lying there. He hasn't kept an open mind,

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Speaker 1: which is that in almost a euro more than a

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00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: year ago May of twenty twenty, National Geographic he explicitly

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Speaker 1: told them quote no scientific evidence the coronavirus was made

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Speaker 1: in a Chinese lab, absolutely unequivocal terms fauci emails. Many

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00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: of you already know the story. He was aware in

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Speaker 1: January that the virus was quote not consistent with evolutionary theory.

681
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: All of this comes down to that, if you want

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Speaker 1: to look at the facts, the facts are that the

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Speaker 1: lab leak theory both is just as possible as the

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Speaker 1: natural origin theory and frankly has a hell of a

685
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: lot more circumstantial evidence. Is it true one way or

686
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Speaker 1: the other? I have no idea, and neither does anybody else,

687
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: but we should probably still investigate. And yet Fauci has

688
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: a lot to lose, which is that the lab leak theory,

689
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: if it's true, it specifically indicts him. He's the one

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Speaker 1: who went around existing US policy greenlit dollars to the

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Speaker 1: Eco Health Alliance, who gave it to the Wuhan Lab.

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Speaker 1: And the more we learn about this lab from Sky

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Speaker 1: News Australia and more about how they were a they

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Speaker 1: had monkeys in the lab, even though they lied about

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00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 1: not having monkeys in the lab. They were apparently begging

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00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: for help in terms of developing safety procedures. They had

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00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: admitted on the record that they had no experience in

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Speaker 1: BSL four laboratories, which is the highest level of security.

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Speaker 1: This is a total mess that we were complicit in funding,

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Speaker 1: and the person who green land that funding is doctor Fauci.

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Speaker 1: And so I think the worst fear though, is coming true. Crystal.

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Speaker 1: It's July. It's been months now that the lab leak

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00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 1: theory was even considered fine to discuss out in the open.

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00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: Joe Biden gave the administration ninety days. I think it's

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Speaker 1: a delay tactic. Even if they do conclude it's going

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Speaker 1: to be one way or the other and they're not

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Speaker 1: going to do anything about it, which is that look

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Speaker 1: the who they can't do anything. They're bought and paid

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Speaker 1: for by the Chinese. Only the United States, given the

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Speaker 1: fact that we literally fund this lab, will have to

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00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: pretty much put some measured sanctions whatever I don't know,

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00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: on China in order to try and force some sort

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Speaker 1: of cooperation. Will that actually happen, Probably not, But the

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Speaker 1: White House is cowering, and I think in fear and

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Speaker 1: not actually doing anything real by leaking this stuff anonymously

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Speaker 1: and by not doing any real enforcement against the Chinese

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Speaker 1: government or even doctor Fauci. I mean, if Fauci greenlit

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Speaker 1: those funds and covered it up, he should be fired.

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Speaker 1: It's obvious to anybody who's me to me. The big

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Speaker 1: thing is, you know, are we going to continue to

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Speaker 1: push forward with exact fiction research and funding this in

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00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: large dollar amounts and not asking any questions about whether

723
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: this is really safe or not, or whether this is

724
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: going to be you know, we're like funding the next pandemic.

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Speaker 1: We always say, whether it's the military industrial complex, whether

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00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: it's you know, cable news, like whoever you're listening to,

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00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: you have to consider what their interests are involved. And

728
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Speaker 1: even if they're not like nefarious actors trying to lie

729
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 1: directly to you, people are very easily influenced and very

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Speaker 1: easily swayed by whatever their personal or career or monetary

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Speaker 1: interests happened to be. We have a situation with this

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Speaker 1: research and with this pandemic that if the COVID lab

733
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Speaker 1: leak theory turns out to be true, it means that

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Speaker 1: the scientific community themselves created this pandemic. There are a

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Speaker 1: lot of people who do not want that to be true. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and even if they aren't like directly, like with knowledge

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Speaker 1: intentionally lying to you. They have a mental incentive to

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Speaker 1: try to find the evidence that supports the idea that

739
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Speaker 1: this wasn't our fault. We didn't help fund this research,

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Speaker 1: we didn't push this research. This wasn't part of the

741
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Speaker 1: purview of what we were doing. So it's just really

742
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Speaker 1: really important, whether you're a journalist or a consumer of

743
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: journalism trying to understand and sort fact from fiction, you

744
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: have to keep in the back of your mind what

745
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: are people's incentives, What are the implications if this theory

746
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: turns out to be true. And for doctor Fauci in particular,

747
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: only is it like a broad indictment of science created

748
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: the pandemic, but it's also an indictment of some of

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00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: the exact type of research that he was involved in

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Speaker 1: helping to fund. So it's a direct and also it's

751
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: an indictment at this point of some of this early

752
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: statements that he made that were very very dismissive of

753
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Speaker 1: the lab leak theory. I also thought this was interesting

754
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 1: going back to the CNN article, the way that they

755
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: framed the you know, hesitation or the like ban on

756
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: outright ban on talking about the lab leak theory the

757
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: way they phrased it was. For the better part of

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00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, advocates for the lab leak theory had to

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00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: fight against claims they were being xenophobic or racist, in

760
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: part thanks to anti Chinese rhetoric from then President Trump,

761
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: who embraced the theory. Now that is true. Part of

762
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 1: what made this very difficult to talk about in a straightforward,

763
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 1: non like you know, political hot topic type of away

764
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: was Trump and his like irresponsible rhetoric. And he always

765
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: takes these things and he goes way too far with

766
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: them and sort of insinuates that this may have been

767
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: an intentional bioweapon. None of that is true, but it

768
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: completely lets them off the hook, Yes, for just like

769
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: you know, turning their brains off and being like, well,

770
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 1: Trump is saying this x so why must be true?

771
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: Like that's an indictment of you. You're supposed to be

772
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: trained to look past those sorts of things and be

773
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: able to just get at what's possible, what's not possible,

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00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: what's in the realm of likelihood, what's not what should

775
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: we be able to discuss and not And so none

776
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: of that like self reflection is there. It's still all

777
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: excuse making about well, well, it was understandable that we

778
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: called you racist when you said maybe we should look

779
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: into this lab leak theory. Knowing what they're giving away

780
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: the whole game, they're basically being like, drumf was bad,

781
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: so we didn't believe it. I'm like, uh, okay, so

782
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: the president. You didn't like the president, so you just

783
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: decided to let go of all your standards and not

784
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 1: do your job. That's not an excuse. It's very revealing.

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00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 1: It is extraordinarily revealing I think on this entire story.

786
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: And look, we'll continue to keep you guys updated. Like

787
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: we said, they're halfway through the ninety day intelligence review.

788
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: My personal thinking is that nothing of consequence is going

789
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: to come through because, by the way, if it did

790
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: turn out to be one hundred percent true and the

791
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: intelligence community had the intel all the way back a

792
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: year ago, where's it been folks, A lot of people

793
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: have too much to lose if this thing does turn

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00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: out to be true. Now they're going to try and

795
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: bury it, and we shouldn't let them, and we're going

796
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: to continue to stay on top of that. There you go, Okay,

797
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: So we also want to cover and we've been insinuating

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Speaker 1: a talk a lot. The delta vary this segment building up.

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of thoughts on the delta variant.

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Speaker 1: So cases are going up across the United States. There's

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Speaker 1: been a modest increase in California. There's been a big debate.

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00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: This is what the whole deplatforming discussion is around. As well.

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Speaker 1: We have what the CDC director calls a pandemic of

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00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: the unvaccinated. Well, in order to deal with this, this

805
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: Los Angeles County, let's put this up there on the screen.

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00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: They say, quote, haunted by past virus surges, calif will

807
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: lean on masks and vaccines. Los Angeles County has decided

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00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: to bring back an indoor mask mandate. And I have

809
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: a lot of feelings about this, Crystal, because what they

810
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: say is that that mask mandate, according to the CDC,

811
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Speaker 1: is in violation of CDC guidance. CDC says fully vaccinated

812
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: people do not have to wear masks indoors. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, at this point, I generally feel that if

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Speaker 1: you're not vaccinated, it's a choice. It's a it's a

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Speaker 1: choice you've explicitly made. That's fine, it's your right as

816
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: an American citizen to do what you would like, but

817
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: you're putting your health in danger, or maybe you're cool

818
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: with that, maybe you're like, I'm young, I'm not going

819
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: to suffer. I'm more afraid of the vaccine. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to have to take off today. All right, I

821
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: get it, I one understand that, But you know what,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that people who were vaccinated should have

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Speaker 1: to go back to living with restrictions. And I see

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Speaker 1: this very much as an effort to not only bring

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Speaker 1: back mask mandates, but eventually, as we were talking about,

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Speaker 1: with we have winter, they're going to try and do

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Speaker 1: lockdowns again, and I think that's outrageous. Here's the deal,

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Speaker 1: which is that asking people to wear face masks and

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Speaker 1: then bring round lockdowns because we have a pandemic of

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Speaker 1: the unvaccinated is asking people who are vaccinated to have

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Speaker 1: more regard for the health of people who are unvaccinated

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Speaker 1: than they do themselves. And sorry, I mean at this point,

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Speaker 1: and I don't want to sound too callous, if you

834
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Speaker 1: couldn't get vaccinated because you can't take the time off

835
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 1: work or that is outrageous. We should be doing everything

836
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: in our power in order to make sure that's Okay,

837
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: if you want it, you can get it. At this point,

838
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: they're basically throwing them away, trying to find everybody out

839
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 1: there who will take it. People have had plenty of opportunity,

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00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: and it's a free country. Many people decided that they

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00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: don't want it and will take with the risk. It's okay, fine,

842
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not even denigrating that decision. I'm saying

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00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: you can live with the consequences of that. What's happened

844
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: is that this panic is obscuring a lot and being

845
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: used to bring back mask mandates in violation CDC guidance,

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00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: possibly previewing future lockdowns. It's also being framed very much

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Speaker 1: as a right wing thing. So Matt Stoller actually put

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Speaker 1: this graph. Let's put this up there. I found it

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Speaker 1: absolutely great because it breaks all of the conventional narrative,

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Speaker 1: which is that if you can see there in the

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00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: graph here in terms of all forty states, is that

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Speaker 1: Black Americans are actually the lowest disproportionate number in order

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Speaker 1: to be vaccinated along with Hispanic Americans, than white Americans,

854
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: then Asian Americans. So what we have there is that

855
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: the least vaccinated group of Black Americans is the most

856
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: democratic leaning, and there's a big push right now online

857
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: being like Fox News is lying to its fears. Now, look,

858
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 1: there been some pretty irresponsible segments on Fox News, yes,

859
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: in my opinion, but they're three million. There's three million

860
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: people who watch that show or who watch that program

861
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: at the best of days. There are one hundred million

862
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: people who haven't been vaccinated. You think they're all just

863
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: watching Fox News. No, a lot of people, one hundred

864
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: million about approximately, have zero trust in our institutions. And

865
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: that's a way bigger question that we have to solve here. Yeah,

866
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: there's actually a lot to say about this. And of

867
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: course that chart also tracks closely with income levels, so

868
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 1: you know, the lower you are on the income scale,

869
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: the less likely you are to have been vaccinated. So

870
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: basically there is a direct correlation to how badly you've

871
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 1: been fucked by both the medical establishment and American society

872
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: writ large, and whether or not you're getting vaccinated. I mean,

873
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: that's the real sort of like correlation that you can

874
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: draw from. You know, however, you want to look at

875
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: the demographic groups on LA specifically. You know, I think

876
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 1: that probably most people in LA aren't that upset about

877
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: a mask mandate. It's not lockdowns, it's not closing schools.

878
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: It's ultimately, you know, not the end of the world.

879
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: So it's hard for me to get really upset about

880
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: something that's happening in a place where are the people

881
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: probably more or lesser cool with it. However, I think

882
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: your point about where are we headed with this is

883
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: the right one. We covered over the weekend a segment

884
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: that posted over the weekend how overdose deaths skyrocket during

885
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: the year of the Pennant, worst that we've ever had

886
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: in history. All of the gains that had been made

887
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: over you know, year over year, completely erased almost every

888
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: state in the nation. There were more overdose deaths, so

889
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,919
Speaker 1: direct consequence of the lockdowns. We've talked too about the

890
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: loss of a year of school essentially for children. And

891
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: you know, it was understandable at the beginning when we

892
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: didn't have research and of course, like I'm a mom

893
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: of three, the very number one priority over everything for

894
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 1: me is protecting my kids. It was very understandable early

895
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: on that those truly extreme measures were taken. However, there

896
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: was never a reassessment of you know, we've got the

897
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: numbers in now and we see that this isn't really

898
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: harming children, so maybe we should make other choices. Right,

899
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: So there was there hasn't been again. I think at

900
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: the beginning it was understandable because we didn't under We

901
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: didn't know that much about the disease, and we thought

902
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: that the death rate might be much higher than it

903
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 1: ended up being, even though it was still I don't

904
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: want to downplay like this was horrific, and you know,

905
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of Americans like this was terrible, and

906
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: so I don't want to downplay it whatsoever. But we

907
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: never did a reassessment of what are the real risk factors,

908
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: what are the real preventative measures, and what are the

909
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: cost So now we're going into another season where the

910
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: numbers are going up. I mean, there's no doubt about it.

911
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: Caseload is increasing, hospitalizations are increasing. Deaths will inevitably increase

912
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: as well. So there's no doubt that the numbers are increasing.

913
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: The media has an incentive to scare you as much

914
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: as possible, right, that's always their incentive because good money

915
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: that drives ratings. And so what are we going to

916
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: do with that information when this time around the deaths

917
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: and the hospitalizations are truly avoidable. Right, just get vaccinated

918
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: and you won't be hospitalized and you won't die. I

919
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: think that looking at the numbers, I mean, almost none

920
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: of the hospitalizations and I think literally none of the

921
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: deaths have been among people who are vaccinated. It's like

922
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: ninety nine percent, I think. And the people who were

923
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: fully vaccinated who died, I believe most of them were

924
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: extremely like they're very high on the elderly spectrum. Yeah,

925
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: and they were already immunal compromise, very very vulgarly seven

926
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: and fifty, very very vulnerable people. So what do you

927
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: do with that, with that situation where this time around

928
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 1: like it's actually it's preventable. We have the thing, you

929
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,919
Speaker 1: can go do the thing. So if you're not doing that,

930
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: even as I have a lot of compassion for people

931
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,439
Speaker 1: who have been screwed over and mistrustful, and they may

932
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,959
Speaker 1: have good reasons for saying I don't believe a word

933
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: that you're saying, but ultimately they are making a choice

934
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: and taking a risk with their own health. So what

935
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to see is that we again impose

936
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 1: these very extreme cost and measures that came with unemployment

937
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: and depression and suicide and overdose rates and violence, all

938
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: of that stuff without actually accurately assessing the cost and

939
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: doing what we can in a non hectoring and condescending

940
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: way to help people get vaccinated. That's one of the

941
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: really obvious things that again James Medlock and others have

942
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: been pointing out that we could do, is to get

943
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: people paid time off so that they can go get

944
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: the vaccine, not have to worry about missing work, and

945
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: also not have to worry about if they do have

946
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,280
Speaker 1: symptoms afterwards having a miswork. For that, that's a real

947
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: that's a real issue for a lot of people. We

948
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 1: know from the statistics there's you said, like one hundred

949
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: million people who still haven't got vacinated, though we know

950
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: there's a good percentage of them who actually want to

951
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 1: get vaccinated, and are you know, willing to do it?

952
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: What are the reasons, what are the things that are

953
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: holding them back? Where's the conversation about that? And I

954
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: don't think that's like Facebook misinformation. I think for a

955
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: lot of people it's probably just literally a logistical hurdle

956
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: where they can't figure out how to fit it into

957
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 1: their lives. And so let's do some of those things

958
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: before we go back into like lockdown mode again and

959
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: impose these incredible costs on the entire population. I completely

960
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: agree with you, and you know, I don't want to

961
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: sound I didn't want to sound too callous earlier. I

962
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 1: put it in the context of this, which is that

963
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: we're not we should not be locking down again, we

964
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: should not be being making mass mandates again, and we

965
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: should have that side by side with a great campaign

966
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: to convince. So I'm reading Michael Brandon Dougherty a National Review.

967
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: We wrote a great piece. We'll have them on tomorrow.

968
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: We'll talk even more this, which is that if you

969
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: want to convince people who are vaccinated to get vaccinated,

970
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: you can't disrespect them. And in many ways they feel

971
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: dramatically disrespected. What they feel is that being told that

972
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 1: they have to get vaccinated is on par with forcing

973
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: them to do something that they don't want to do

974
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,919
Speaker 1: for a disease, which is frankly not that deadly to them.

975
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: And look in a way, they're not wrong. And if

976
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 1: that's the choice that you make based upon the data,

977
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: looking at the survival rate, looking at your own personal health,

978
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: choosing to focus on things like I said, so be it.

979
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: You are generally leaving yourself more vulnerable to variance and

980
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: stuff in the future. But let's be honest, you're probably

981
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: not going to get die if you're like thirty something

982
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: years old, especially if you're within good health. There are

983
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, obviously externalities around people who can't get vaccinated,

984
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 1: the elderly, all of that, but a lot of these

985
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: people have taken that into consideration as well. And in general,

986
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: what Michael talks about is that when vaccine skeptics feel

987
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: totally disrespected by their institutions, have they as they have

988
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: been in every area of life, whenever they apply for

989
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: a public benefit, whenever they lose their job, and they

990
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: feel shame, whenever they have a belief which they see

991
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: belittled in Washington and in the media, whenever they maybe

992
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: voted for Trump, and then they don't want to tell

993
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 1: anyone or they just feel like as if that is

994
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: it's something which has been anathemized by the respectable population

995
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: that they feel, you know what, screw you, I'm not

996
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: going to do what you're telling me. I want one

997
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: hundred percent understand that. And as I have said here,

998
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: which is that the best way to do that is

999
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: to find people who have credibility within those groups and

1000
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: ask them to go out. I saw someone being like

1001
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,720
Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell says Republicans should get vaccinated. Why aren't Republicans listening.

1002
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, uh, do you know, like you know, midchain't

1003
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: that popular with the Republican base. You're an idiot probably

1004
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: the only part. I mean. Look, even Trump at this

1005
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: point has told me people to go get vaccinated. Is likek,

1006
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: it's a great shot. I created the shot warp speed.

1007
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: I should get my credit all of that. A lot

1008
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 1: of people still ant listening. This shows it as even

1009
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,839
Speaker 1: deeper than Trumps. As we pointed out, Black Americans are

1010
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: the most likely not to be vaccinated. Why. A lot

1011
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: of them screwed over by the health system, a lot

1012
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 1: of them have very negative interactions with public health bureaucracy.

1013
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: A lot of them just simply don't trust it. Okay,

1014
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: then let's find people within the black community or the

1015
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: Hispanic community, which is also disportunately likely not to be vaccinated,

1016
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,399
Speaker 1: and let's get some campaigns going. But instead they want

1017
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: to rig Facebook, or they want to force us all

1018
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: to wear masks. As I see it, going back to

1019
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: lockdowns and to mass would actually be an admission that

1020
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: vaccination doesn't work and it's just simply not the case

1021
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: if you are vaccinated. I think it's like ninety nine

1022
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: point six percent or something of delta variant deaths are

1023
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: people who are not vaccinated. Okay, I mean, look, like

1024
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: I said, at a certain point, even with the delta

1025
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: variant going around, if you're vaccinated, it'll be something analogous

1026
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: to a mild cold, which is very likely. Given the

1027
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: fact that we now have forty percent of the population,

1028
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: we have to accept it at this point as a

1029
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: part of everyday life, especially now that we have the

1030
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: I think the vast majority seventy one percent, I think

1031
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: thing of the elderly who are vaccinated, and especially those

1032
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: you know of the ger intocracy like seventy and eighty

1033
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: and more who are also those are the people who

1034
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: are going to most likely die of COVID anyway, Now

1035
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: we've taken them out of the risk pool, it changes

1036
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:30,879
Speaker 1: the calculus on how we have to approach this entire thing.

1037
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: He had a line in here that that was really

1038
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: interesting to me. He says, for some people who are

1039
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 1: choosing not to get the vaccine, excessive fear of COVID

1040
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: is the primary cause of public health restrictions, and their

1041
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,439
Speaker 1: refusal to take the vaccine is, in some small way

1042
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: an attempt to model a life unruled by this fear. Now,

1043
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: is that the choice I made or no, that's not

1044
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 1: the choice that I made. Do I think that, you know,

1045
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: there's been a very intentional effort to inflate these like

1046
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 1: very rare instances where vaccines have had negative effects, absolutely

1047
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: as a way to sort of like after the fact,

1048
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: justify the decision not to get the vaccine. But I

1049
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: actually think that line most accurately captures for a lot

1050
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: of conservatives in particular, the root, like the core of

1051
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: why they're so resistant to the vaccine. And for some group,

1052
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: they you know, were making this risk calculation. Whether you

1053
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: think that they're accurately assessing the risks or not, you know,

1054
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: that's that's on them. And so the idea that you're

1055
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: going to impose these great costs on the rest of

1056
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: the population that made a different choice, you know, that

1057
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: did choose to get the vaccines that are now easily

1058
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: and widely available. It just doesn't ultimately make sense, No,

1059
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't, And like, yeah, look, we can should and

1060
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:57,919
Speaker 1: could have large real efforts for the by the White

1061
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: House and by the Public Health Establishment to act reach

1062
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: out to the people who don't trust them, but instead

1063
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: they want to, you know, take people off Facebook, and

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Speaker 1: we're just only going to keep people even more, you know,

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Speaker 1: people who I saw that thing, by the way, and

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Speaker 1: I follow a lot of people who are very you know,

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Speaker 1: who are anti vacs or at least anti COVID vacs.

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Speaker 1: And that thing Biden said about or the White House

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Speaker 1: said about going to door to do it, it freaked

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Speaker 1: a lot of people out. Peopleho are like, hell no,

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Speaker 1: and now they're you know, the door to door thing.

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Speaker 1: This is a big thing on the right. Do not

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Speaker 1: underestimate the power of what people will feel like under

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Speaker 1: threat of persecution. Think about yourself whenever in an argument

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Speaker 1: and somebody's really coming at you, what do you want

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Speaker 1: to do? You want to dig in, you don't want

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Speaker 1: to give anything. You have to talk to people with compassion.

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Speaker 1: And at the same time, we also just have to

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Speaker 1: recognize that for most people this is just no longer

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Speaker 1: really an issue. This is something where yes, you'll get

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Speaker 1: a little sick, and that's about it. And that's, by

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Speaker 1: the way, that was the best part of getting vaccinated

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Speaker 1: in the first place. It is not that you won't

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Speaker 1: get COVID. It's that the severity of COVID for yourself

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Speaker 1: and really for everybody else who is is going to

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Speaker 1: go way, way, way down. So I have a prediction.

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Speaker 1: I actually don't think that we're going to see I

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Speaker 1: don't think we're going to see a big effort from

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration to impose lockdowns again, because I do

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Speaker 1: think that it is they understand this is very politically dangerous.

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Speaker 1: It's state and local, right, state and local. You'll see

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Speaker 1: you know, places like probably a lot of cities where frankly,

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Speaker 1: the risk is higher, and a city like LA has

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Speaker 1: large minority population. I don't know what their numbers are

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Speaker 1: in terms of vaccination, but I bet they have a

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Speaker 1: sizable chunk of their population that is unvaccinated. I think

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Speaker 1: you're going to see it more in these kind of

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Speaker 1: one off actions versus It really could be terminal to

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration if there isn't this sense of the

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Speaker 1: entire promise of his presidency was a return to normal.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's really the only thing that he campaigned

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Speaker 1: on and really promised, And so if we're still living

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Speaker 1: in lockdowns, if we're still living in these like aggressive

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Speaker 1: pandemic era restrictions. That is a true, you know, failure

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Speaker 1: in terms of his most basic promise that he offered.

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Speaker 1: And I think that they, my guests, because they have

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Speaker 1: been politically savvy in certain instances, is that they see

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Speaker 1: that as a real threat. That's part of why they're

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Speaker 1: freaking out about Facebook and try to make that the

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Speaker 1: nexus of why there's hesitancy so that they can blame

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Speaker 1: it on Facebook, minsinformation, Fox News, conservatives, right wing whatever,

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Speaker 1: versus having any accountability themselves. So I think that's what

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Speaker 1: their push is going to be. I think you're totally right.

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Speaker 1: All right, what do we have next? This is an

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Speaker 1: interesting story about Caitlin Jenner. So, as you know, she

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Speaker 1: has been running for governor allegedly, I mean, she is

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Speaker 1: running a campaign, but there are new signs now that

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Speaker 1: it really is all about the sort of like show

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Speaker 1: versus an honest to god effort to become governor of California,

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Speaker 1: something that she has very very very little likelihood of

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Speaker 1: actually pulling off. We can throw this tear sheet up

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Speaker 1: on the screen. So she's going to Australia for potentially

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Speaker 1: a month. To film. What is this like some what

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Speaker 1: is the reality show big Brother, Big Brother VIP, Big

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Speaker 1: Brother VIP. Now she says, well, this is I'm just honoring,

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Speaker 1: honoring what serious candidate takes a month off the trail

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Speaker 1: to go to Australia in order to film a reality show.

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Speaker 1: And then you couple that saga with the fact that

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Speaker 1: it's now been reported we can put this tweet up

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Speaker 1: on the screen. She's paying for her own film crew

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Speaker 1: to follow her around and record her run for governors,

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Speaker 1: according to Ken Vogel, and Politico had this reporting, we

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Speaker 1: have this tweet. Oh, we don't have this tweet anyway.

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Speaker 1: Trust me. She's paid for his own group that's following

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Speaker 1: her around to record her run for governor. So it's

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Speaker 1: become pretty clear this is just about creating a new

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Speaker 1: show and some new content and branding for Kitlyn Jenner

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Speaker 1: and not much else. I said at the beginning, call

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Speaker 1: me governor. Look, a lot of people may watch it.

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Speaker 1: It's very likely. I do think this does expose this

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Speaker 1: for what it is. And it's funny because she was

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Speaker 1: beginning to get some traction, not amongst actual voters, but

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Speaker 1: amongst like conservative activists and commentators very serious. It was

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Speaker 1: very excited about her. I didn't want to shout her

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Speaker 1: out with Tommy Laryn, you know very call me Caitlyn,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, that's that's really it's been fun to watch

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Speaker 1: this ridiculous candidacy kind of form. And I did that

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Speaker 1: whole monologu about Kitlyn Jenner being like, look, this person

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Speaker 1: is just a boomer Republican. If you look beneath the surface,

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Speaker 1: she's like, we needed all taxes and all of It's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's stuff which would put Mitt Romney's agenda in twenty

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Speaker 1: twelve to shame, which I think is kind of funny.

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Speaker 1: When she was talking about how the guy with the

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Speaker 1: airplane her next was moving out of California, very very

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Speaker 1: relatable stuff. Good job, very relatable stuff. And yeah, at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, she's not the celebrity that

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Speaker 1: we need. There's kind of a there's like a meta

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Speaker 1: conversation to be had here though, about how much all

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Speaker 1: of politics is just reality show and like for the content,

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Speaker 1: the content for the content's sake at this point, and

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Speaker 1: it's all you know, k fabe something again Tybee talks

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Speaker 1: about here, it's all just like pro wrestling and none

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Speaker 1: of it is actually you know, I shouldn't say none

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Speaker 1: of it, but very little of it is actually like genuine,

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Speaker 1: authentic attempts to be public servants and do good things

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Speaker 1: for the people. It's all about brand enhancement and public

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Speaker 1: like profiles and being able to use that to have

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Speaker 1: clout and potentially have you know, some sort of like

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Speaker 1: monetary opportunities after you finish your public service or run

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Speaker 1: for office. It's a searing indictment of the current political system. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she's just like taking it one step further. Yeah, she's

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Speaker 1: taking to this logical conclusion. Yeah. Trump took it one

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Speaker 1: step you know. He was like came from the reality

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Speaker 1: show World and Business and he's got this whole branding

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Speaker 1: or whatever, and then sort of accidentally actually becomes president

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Speaker 1: and has to do the real job, which he failed

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Speaker 1: miserably at. And now this is like she's not even

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Speaker 1: going to succeed. It's literally just about creating a reality show. Yeah. No,

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Speaker 1: it's it's really hilarious, and apparently so Australia given their

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Speaker 1: tight COVID restrictions because she has to quarantine for two

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Speaker 1: weeks and all of that. They're having a problem with COVID.

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Speaker 1: They are, and it's unclear in Australia whether given all

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Speaker 1: of that, whether she's even going to be able to

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Speaker 1: make it back by the time of the September fourteenth

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Speaker 1: actual recall election. Souls Yeah, it was all a show

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Speaker 1: from the entire from the get go. What a shocker. Wow,

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Speaker 1: you guys must really like listening to our voices. Well,

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Speaker 1: I know this is annoying instead of making you listen

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Speaker 1: to a Viagra commercial. When you're done, check out the

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Speaker 1: other podcast I do with Marshal Costloff called The Realignment.

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Speaker 1: We talk a lot about the deeper issues that are

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Speaker 1: changing realigning in American society. You always need more Crystal

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Speaker 1: and Zagur in your daily lives. Take care guys, All right, Saga,

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Speaker 1: what are you looking at? Well? As I predicted the

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Speaker 1: segment that Crystal and I did on inflation last week,

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Speaker 1: it ignited a firestorm of controversy, and I thought it

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Speaker 1: would be worth looking a bit deeper at the issue.

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Speaker 1: Why I took the positions that I did. Why I

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Speaker 1: think parsing through our thoughts on the topic is really

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Speaker 1: important for the future of working class people in America today. Now,

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Speaker 1: the crux of the segment was this inflation is technically

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Speaker 1: up at around five point six percent, but if you

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Speaker 1: look within the consumer price index bundle, or really just

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Speaker 1: in the grocery store, the things that are driving the

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Speaker 1: technical inflation don't have much to do with monetary policy.

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Speaker 1: Use cars are literally a third of the entire increase,

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Speaker 1: why because we have a massive shortage of new cars

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Speaker 1: due to a semiconductor shortage. Gas is up forty five

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Speaker 1: percent because OPEC cut production around COVID and hadn't increased

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Speaker 1: their production until a few days ago. Laundry machines and

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Speaker 1: furniture are skyrocketing because we have a huge supply problem

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Speaker 1: coming from China. Hotels, airfare, car rentals and more are

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Speaker 1: up because we were all locked inside for a year

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Speaker 1: and a lot of people want to travel. In other words,

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Speaker 1: the problems we have with increasing prices is a problem

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Speaker 1: of supply, not because of government spending or the federal reserve.

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Speaker 1: That being said, if I regret anything from the tenor

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Speaker 1: of the segment, it's that people might take away that

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Speaker 1: I am saying I don't think inflation is a problem,

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Speaker 1: or downplaying increasing prices in the role of our economy today.

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Speaker 1: I am absolutely not saying that. For working class people.

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Speaker 1: There is nothing that hurts more than higher prices at

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Speaker 1: the grocery store, higher prices at the pump, car repairs,

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Speaker 1: the other everyday expenses of life for those who are

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Speaker 1: struggling or seeing increases in prices that are affecting their lives.

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Speaker 1: I absolutely feel I'm fighting for you. What I failed

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Speaker 1: to do in that segment is direct your and even

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Speaker 1: my anger at the increase in price at the right people,

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Speaker 1: those who architected our system of globalization and concentration within

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Speaker 1: the American economy which have made the American working class

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Speaker 1: so vulnerable. Right now in a time of craziness, Let's

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Speaker 1: take cars. As I've said, sure, some of the demand

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Speaker 1: driven by stimulus, checks or savings. Sure, but never before

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Speaker 1: have we seen consumer spending directed towards used cars instead

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Speaker 1: of new cars. Now, one of my favorite monologues I

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Speaker 1: ever did on Rising was exactly on this subject. The

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Speaker 1: reason we don't have a plethora of beautiful new cars

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Speaker 1: for Americans is because we have no semiconductors. Why because,

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Speaker 1: over the last forty years, we allowed our capacity to

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Speaker 1: build these critical tools of the future to go overseas,

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Speaker 1: while our companies that literally invented this technology, like Intel,

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Speaker 1: have bought back billions of dollars worth of its own

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Speaker 1: stock to boost its share price. Cars aside, the most

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Speaker 1: pushback that we also got was about food. Take a

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Speaker 1: look at the grocery store, people said, out of touch

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Speaker 1: if you don't see it now one of the most

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Speaker 1: important items on the list of rising prices. I talked

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Speaker 1: about bacon, a vital resource for every American citizen, which

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Speaker 1: has gone up by almost ten percent. Dig deeper, you're

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Speaker 1: actually gonna see. What's happened is that the meat industry

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Speaker 1: in America is completely centralized, taking power out of the

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Speaker 1: hands of actual ranchers, and they manipulate supply to their

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Speaker 1: own ends. The reason bacon is so high is because

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Speaker 1: about a year ago, millions of hogs were culled from

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Speaker 1: supply because the meat industry didn't have the means to

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Speaker 1: process them due to COVID spikes in meat packing plants.

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Speaker 1: Over a billion pounds of meat was left to rot

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Speaker 1: and supply was curtailed significantly. So about a year later,

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Speaker 1: when we need the same level of bacon we did

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Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, well, we killed all the hogs that

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Speaker 1: should be supplying us right now. This is a pure

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Speaker 1: product of factory farming and of concentration speculation in the

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Speaker 1: meat industry just in time, delivery and more. It resulted

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Speaker 1: in tremendous waste and now high prices for us all

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Speaker 1: or take foods. Generally, a lot of food price increase

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Speaker 1: can actually be traced not only to a screwed up

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Speaker 1: supply chain, but also to the raw inputs like wheat, corn, soybeans.

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Speaker 1: Take a look beneath the surface, you're gonna see the

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Speaker 1: same story. The reason grain prices are skyrocketing has nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with increased demand here at home, but with

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Speaker 1: increased demand in the People's Republic of China. Increasing post

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Speaker 1: COVID demand and the need to feed a bunch of

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Speaker 1: newly farmed pigs in China is actually driving American grain

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Speaker 1: prices through the roof. So basically, American consumers today are

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Speaker 1: paying sky high prices for grain raised and farmed in

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Speaker 1: their own country because of increased demand in China. Once again,

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Speaker 1: American workers and consumers suffering at the whims of an

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Speaker 1: interconnected economy which we were promised forever was actually going

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Speaker 1: to drive prices down for the long haul. These are

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Speaker 1: the big three gas. Of course, the big part the story.

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Speaker 1: But frankly, the same oil price shocks is the original

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Speaker 1: peril in American society of relying on people who aren't

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Speaker 1: yourselves to produce the most bedrock of your needs. So

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Speaker 1: when we see these high prices, there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of people out there who want you to think it's

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Speaker 1: because of, frankly, a pretty good effort by both Republicans

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Speaker 1: and Democrats to alleviate suffering of the public during COVID.

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Speaker 1: It could not be farther from the truth. The reason

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Speaker 1: prices are higher today is because the rich have architected

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Speaker 1: a society and economy where workers are subject to the

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Speaker 1: whims of international bankers, consumers, and markets that they never

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Speaker 1: wanted anything to do with in the first place. Real

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Speaker 1: great nations build things, grow things, they produce things, and

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Speaker 1: they take care of their own people first. So my

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Speaker 1: message to all of the struggling with the prices at

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Speaker 1: the store is this, I feel and I hear your pain.

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Speaker 1: I just hope that you see that cynical actors want

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Speaker 1: to use your frustration only to take more benefits of

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Speaker 1: future and now away from you, while covering for the

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Speaker 1: very interests that created your misery in the first place.

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Speaker 1: That was what I really wanted to focus on. Crystal.

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Speaker 1: One more thing, I promise, just wanted to make sure

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Speaker 1: you knew about my podcast with Kyle Kolinski. It's called Crystal,

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Speaker 1: Kyle and Friends, where we do long form interviews with

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Speaker 1: people like Nom Chomsky, Cornell West and Glenn Greenwald. You

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Speaker 1: can listen on any podcast platform, or you can subscribe

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Speaker 1: over on substack to get the video a day early.

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Speaker 1: We're going to stop bugging you now enjoy, Cristal. What

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Speaker 1: are you taking a look at? We're getting more information

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Speaker 1: and some truly horrifying images out of Europe where floods

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Speaker 1: have ravaged parts of Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands. This

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Speaker 1: is perhaps the most stunning image before and after photo

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Speaker 1: of farmland in western Germany that went from ucolic idol

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Speaker 1: to post apocalyptic catastrophe in the span of one single day.

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Speaker 1: But unfortunately there are plenty more photos like it. Here's

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Speaker 1: a before and after of a charming village set between

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Speaker 1: hills that was turned into a raging river, with every

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Speaker 1: road and house and school and church and everything else

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Speaker 1: completely submerged. This is a look at Belgium. You can

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Speaker 1: see residents wading through chest high water they're hoping to

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Speaker 1: reach safety. We know that across the entire region more

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Speaker 1: than a thousand remain unaccounted for as rescue missions continue.

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Speaker 1: Some of the towns and panic residents are reachable only

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Speaker 1: by helicopter. Others were not reachable at all. The known

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Speaker 1: death toll as of my writing of this segment stood

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Speaker 1: at one point eighty three. That number is expected to

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Speaker 1: rise as recovery efforts continue. Scientists are already saying that

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Speaker 1: the once in a millennia floods are fueled by climate change.

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Speaker 1: In particular one simple dynamic. The warmer the air, the

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Speaker 1: more water it can hold. Every one degree celsius increase

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Speaker 1: in temperature means air can hold seven percent more moisture. Now,

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Speaker 1: in this instance, the hardest hit area is received two

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Speaker 1: months worth of rain in a single hour. The waters

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Speaker 1: rose so quickly it left towns and villages and families

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Speaker 1: unable to respond in time. Now another fact regarding climate

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Speaker 1: change maybe at work, as while scientists are studying whether

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Speaker 1: rapid warming in the Arctic has also caused changes in

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Speaker 1: the jet stream that allow systems to linger longer in

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Speaker 1: one place, creating this kind of devastation. Now This all

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Speaker 1: occurs against a backdrop of multiple record breaking extreme weather

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Speaker 1: events right here in our nation that have happened one

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Speaker 1: after another. Most notably, the West Coast has been hit

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Speaker 1: by multiple historic heat waves. Another one is set to hit.

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Speaker 1: That is, four heat waves in just five weeks. Death

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Speaker 1: Valley might have just set the record for the highest

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Speaker 1: temperature ever recorded on Earth, at a deadly one hundred

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Speaker 1: and thirty degrees. The normally mild Pacific Northwest, where the

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Speaker 1: climate is typically so moderate that many don't even have

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Speaker 1: air conditioning, they were hit with temperatures well over one

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Speaker 1: hundred degrees. Seattle hit one hundred and eight, Portland hit

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Speaker 1: one sixteen. Litt In Canada hit one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 1: one degrees that broke the record high temperature ever recorded

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Speaker 1: in that nation, and the town early went up in

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Speaker 1: flames fueled by those hot and dry conditions. Across the region,

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Speaker 1: hundreds of deaths were tied to the heat way, which

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Speaker 1: scientists say would have been impossible without climate change, and

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Speaker 1: these high temperatures have also fueled massive wildfires. According to

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Speaker 1: the Drought Center, nearly sixty percent of the Western US

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Speaker 1: is experiencing a severe or exceptional drought. Those are the

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Speaker 1: highest levels of drought record in this region in the

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Speaker 1: Drought Monitor's history. Those conditions have already created a historically

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Speaker 1: devastating wildfire season. According to a National Interagency Fire Center spokesperson,

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Speaker 1: we are a full month ahead of where we were

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Speaker 1: last year, and last year was a historic season. Cliffs

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Speaker 1: are collapsing in California. Lake meat is going dry, so

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Speaker 1: is the Great Salt Lake. All of this is just

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Speaker 1: a long way of saying that this shit is really bad.

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Speaker 1: The costs are already devastating. In response, as Reclined, writing

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Speaker 1: The New York Times writes that Yeah, while it's become

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Speaker 1: in vogue to talk about a World War II level

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Speaker 1: mobilization to fight climate change, we don't actually see anyone

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Speaker 1: acting like the threat to the planet is anything like

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Speaker 1: the threat that the Nazis post. That effort, of course,

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Speaker 1: enlisted the entire nation, quite a lot of the world, frankly,

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Speaker 1: in an effort of mobilization, sacrifice, and shared purpose. As

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Speaker 1: we watch this destruction and meld the words existential threat,

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Speaker 1: client rights, you'd never know what watching c span. The

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Speaker 1: Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill cut most of the climate investments from

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Speaker 1: President Biden's Biden's American Jobs Plan, leaving them for a

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Speaker 1: future reconciliation package that may or may not pass. It's

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Speaker 1: better than nothing, it is not nearly enough. The same

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Speaker 1: is true, to be honest, even of the broader investments

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Speaker 1: Biden and vision. That is a state of climate policy

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, and I am not optimistic that

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Speaker 1: it will be much different in twenty two or twenty five.

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Speaker 1: To be honest with you, though, as our client is

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Speaker 1: being far too kind to the Biden administration and also

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Speaker 1: to the media that covers for him by pretending the

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Speaker 1: scope of the proposal is enough and imagining political and

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Speaker 1: economic constraints that don't actually exist. For example, one of

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Speaker 1: the most ambitious pieces of the proposed reconciliation package with

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Speaker 1: regard to Clan climate is renewable energy standard that would

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Speaker 1: move all electricity generation away from fossil fuels. Unfortunately, that

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Speaker 1: standard not a lock for making it through the byzantine

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Speaker 1: reconciliation process thanks to Democrats continued deference to an unelected

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Speaker 1: parliamentarian who provides guidance on Senate procedure. Are we really

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Speaker 1: going to let the world burn? Based on the whims

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Speaker 1: of one government bureaucrat or less obvious, but frankly just

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Speaker 1: as pernicious the demand from corporate aligned Democrats like Joe

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Speaker 1: Manchin that every expenditure be paid for and then relentlessly

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Speaker 1: attacking those proposed paid for is without offering a single

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Speaker 1: viable alternative. That was the cleverly evil scheme laid out

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Speaker 1: by an Exxon lobbyist in a secretly recorded video where

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Speaker 1: he explained in detail exactly how that company has avoided

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Speaker 1: significant climate change legislation. So we gonna let the world

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Speaker 1: burn because of some Reagan era foolishness demanding to know

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Speaker 1: how we'll pay for it while the cost of doing

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Speaker 1: nothing skyrocket? Are we going to let the world burn

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Speaker 1: because of some political tropes and conventional wisdom left over

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Speaker 1: from the nineties which insists that doing as little as

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Speaker 1: possible is really the way to motivate voters in the

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Speaker 1: midterm election, or because you're worried about upsetting Joe Manchin,

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Speaker 1: who isn't even up for reelection until twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: All of these supposed constraints and checks on the ambition

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Speaker 1: of the Biden administration, whether it's climate or frankly, minimum

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Speaker 1: wage or healthcare or making permanent the child tax credits.

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Speaker 1: They're all imaginary. They're invented by Democrats afraid of displeasing

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Speaker 1: their corporate benefactors, and they are enforced by compliant media

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01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:36,840
Speaker 1: that consistently carries water for the establishment. You can understand

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Speaker 1: why people roll their eyes at the talk of climate

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Speaker 1: change or climate crisis because so many of the people

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Speaker 1: who rhetorically embrace the gravity of the threat then go

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Speaker 1: on to elaborate lengths to avoid taking real action. Now,

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Speaker 1: maybe you're in the camp that's just hoping geoengineering will

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Speaker 1: keep us from having an act, or that believes we

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Speaker 1: are so far gone that we should just focus on

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Speaker 1: mitigating climate impacts while praying for some kind of a

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Speaker 1: Mirerea technological advance. But no one should be fooled by

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Speaker 1: the lie that says we don't have the capacity or

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Speaker 1: the political ability to act. Imagine saying that climate change

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Speaker 1: is an existential threat and then letting the Senate parliamentarian

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Speaker 1: keep you from acting, that is completely insane. Do not

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Speaker 1: fall for the madness, and Sager, we've had a series

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Speaker 1: of horrific events. We're very excited to welcome Lewis Rossman

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Speaker 1: to the show. He's a right to repair activist host

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Speaker 1: a very popular YouTube channel, and he's at the forefront

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Speaker 1: of a very big and interesting political discussion. Lewis, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for joining the show. We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for taking the time enjoy your show.

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Speaker 1: Humbled to be on awesome. Thank you, Lewis. Tell us

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Speaker 1: a little bit about right to repair. It's something that

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Speaker 1: I think is a really interesting topic which concerns not

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Speaker 1: only farmers, which is the context that I think many

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Speaker 1: Americans might know it, but now in the realm of

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Speaker 1: consumer electronics and more, you've been at the forefront of

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Speaker 1: talking about it. Tell us a little bit. You know,

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Speaker 1: in the most basic level, what it is and how

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Speaker 1: and why it affects Americans of all stripes. Right to

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Speaker 1: repair is the basic idea that you should be able

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Speaker 1: to repair the devices you own. And I think it's

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Speaker 1: really about personal property, because if you're not able to

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Speaker 1: repair what you own, you don't really own it. Since

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Speaker 1: there are lots of different things out there that may

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Speaker 1: stop working a month or two after the warranties up,

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01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 1: and most warranties are one year now, so lots of

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Speaker 1: companies have gone out of their way to take devices

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Speaker 1: that used to be fixable and make them month fixable

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Speaker 1: in fairly nefarious ways. And to be clear, when I

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Speaker 1: talk about right to repair, I'm not saying that I

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Speaker 1: want everything to look like it did in the sixties

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Speaker 1: and the eighties. I don't want cell phones to be

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Speaker 1: bricks again. What I'm saying is, if you have a

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Speaker 1: device that costs four thousand dollars and is a five

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Speaker 1: dollars chip that dies inside of it, what used to

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Speaker 1: be a part of our culture in America is that

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Speaker 1: we could just buy that part so that an independent

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Speaker 1: service center or you could fix it in your garage

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Speaker 1: or on your kitchen table. And now what companies do

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Speaker 1: is they tell the company that makes that chip, don't

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Speaker 1: sell it to anybody but us, so that we're the

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Speaker 1: only one that can fix it. This is something that

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Speaker 1: happens in farming and appliances and consumer electronics, even happens

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Speaker 1: in medical I was interviewing somebody a few weeks ago

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Speaker 1: who said that when the when the motor dies in

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Speaker 1: this operating table, it's the thing that allows you to

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Speaker 1: adjust the patient like you know here or here. It's

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Speaker 1: like a thirty eight thousand dollars table and is a

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Speaker 1: five hundred dollars motor that dies. They tell that they

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Speaker 1: use a proprietary motor. They'll change one small thing about

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Speaker 1: the normal motor so that it's not compatible, and then

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Speaker 1: they tell the company that makes the motor, don't sell

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Speaker 1: the motor to the hospital if they want to or

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Speaker 1: the service center if they want to be able to

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Speaker 1: fix that table. So now the hospital's forced to spend

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01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 1: thirty eight k on a new one instead of you know,

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01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:35,599
Speaker 1: a thousand bucks to fix their existing one. So it's

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01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 1: kind of something permeating every area of society over the

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Speaker 1: last thirty years. And I think people are starting to

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Speaker 1: notice it right after. It's a little too late. What

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01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 1: do you mean by that? A little bit too late?

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Speaker 1: Every company does something like this now in just about

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Speaker 1: every industry and by People typically don't notice this until

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01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 1: it's a problem for them, So they don't notice it

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01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 1: when they buy the product. They notice it when they

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01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 1: go to fix the product, and it's boiled over and

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01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 1: become this large issue now in twenty twenty one, but

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Speaker 1: it's been over thirty years since devices that we buy

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01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 1: came with schematics and manuals. It's been twenty or thirty

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01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:13,599
Speaker 1: years since you've been really able to universally buy repair

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Speaker 1: parts and tools for all the different devices that you own.

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01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 1: So we're at a point where almost every company takes

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01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 1: part in some way, shape or form. Lewis, as I

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01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 1: understand it, the original kind of American manufacturing sector operated

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01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 1: very much in this way, like ge Thomas Edison, Patents

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01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 1: and more all the way back in the early nineteen hundreds,

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01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 1: and this was a problem of monopolization that was keeping

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01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 1: down competition. What do you think the greatest costs of

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01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 1: the lack of right to repair is costing Americans right now?

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01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 1: The first largest thing I think it's costing is that

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01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:53,640
Speaker 1: is a general sense of the detective mindset that you

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01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 1: have when you actually fix what you own, and a

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01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 1: sense of ingenuity. Because there was a video that Steve

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01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 1: WOSNEIECT died a week and a half ago, said that

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01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:02,720
Speaker 1: device is being open and the way that they were

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01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:04,519
Speaker 1: is how I was able to learn what I learned

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01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:07,560
Speaker 1: and start Apple make the Apple too. You know, that's

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01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 1: the environment I grew up in. So if kids are

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01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 1: growing up in an environment where their parents say you're

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01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 1: going to replace your own brake pads in your car,

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01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 1: you're going to fix your own computer. You learn as

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01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 1: you're doing this, And when you grow up in a

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01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 1: world where every single every time anything happens, you send

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01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 1: it back to the manufacturer because you're not smart enough

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01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 1: to fix it yourself, or if you grow up in

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01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 1: a world where you just don't open your own things

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01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 1: because you're not authorized or not allowed to, I think

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01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 1: that it takes a real toll on human ingenuity. Yeah,

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01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 1: I think that's right, and it creates a sense of helplessness.

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01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:41,759
Speaker 1: I would say it also contributes to sort of mindset

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01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 1: where everything's disposable, right, because rather than send the thing

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01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 1: in and get it fixed, which is going to be

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01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:49,679
Speaker 1: more costly than if you could fix it yourself certainly,

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01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 1: or even bring it to like local small business repairmen

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01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 1: to get it fixed or repair women to get it fixed,

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01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:57,680
Speaker 1: you know that cost may be too great, you just

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01:22:57,680 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 1: say I'll just get a new one. What the heck?

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01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 1: Which I think is actually part of what these companies

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01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 1: intentionally want you to do here. President Byen obviously just

1539
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 1: announced a slew of antitrust executive orders and administration wide efforts.

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01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 1: He's directed, I think is the FTC to write a

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01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:19,600
Speaker 1: rule enshrining the right to repair. But as we all know,

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01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 1: that rule can be written in a strong way or

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01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 1: it can be written in a way that basically allows

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01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 1: business to continue as usual. What are some of the

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01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 1: things that you'll be looking for in that regulation. The

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01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:34,760
Speaker 1: primary things that I've been looking for in that regulation

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01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 1: are can I get access to schematics and diagrams? And

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01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:41,559
Speaker 1: can I buy chips whether these Again, I'm not asking

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01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:43,719
Speaker 1: the manufacturer to sell them to me. I'm simply asking

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01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 1: them to stop telling the company that makes it for

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01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 1: them to not sell it to us. So I'm not

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01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 1: exple to stock every single little thing that they use

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01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 1: in China to make their products. It's just when I

1554
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:56,719
Speaker 1: knock on the door of Inner Sol or Texas Instruments,

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01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 1: will you sell that chip to companies like Mouse or

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01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 1: Digitke or new Work like you do with the rest

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01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 1: of your other chips, so that I can then buy

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01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:06,680
Speaker 1: it from those vendors. So my litmus test for right

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01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 1: to repair, at least for in my industry, is can

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01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:11,799
Speaker 1: I get access to the schematics, diagrams and chips necessary

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01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 1: to do my job? Because Apple has released something called

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01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 1: the Independent Repair Provider Program two years ago, but this

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01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 1: program was clearly a PR stunt and a total joke.

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01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 1: It doesn't address anything. You can't even buy a charging

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01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 1: port from this program if your phone charging purt dies.

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01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 1: So I'm mainly looking for something that allows us to

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01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 1: get access to schematics and diagrams, and I have a

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01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 1: strong confidence that the FTC understands what we're looking for.

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01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 1: At Lina con seems to be very pro right to

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01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 1: Repair and they released a fifty page report a few

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01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 1: months ago, and that report really just sums out all

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01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 1: of our problems. It sums up the manufacturer excuses and

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01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 1: why they're not valid. So I have some level of

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01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:48,800
Speaker 1: confidence there. Good and Lewis, I've noticed that you seem

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01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 1: to be saying it right now is a very very

1576
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 1: critical point, like why is it right now at this time?

1577
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:56,639
Speaker 1: That right to repair is at a real crucial turning

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01:24:56,680 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 1: point in American society because the the methods that I've

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01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 1: been using to be able to get access to what

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01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:06,599
Speaker 1: I get access to so I could do my job

1581
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:09,640
Speaker 1: are very quickly going away. And I think if it

1582
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 1: goes away completely right now and nobody does anything about it,

1583
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 1: it's not coming back. So it's kind of like manufacturing.

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01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 1: You know, with manufacturing, if you close the factory, you

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01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 1: just can't snap your fingers and open it again because

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01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 1: there's all that institutional knowledge that were in the heads

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01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:25,640
Speaker 1: of the people that were running the factory that was

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01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 1: not on paper. So if you just want to start again,

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01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:30,599
Speaker 1: it's not like you just say when Trump is talking about,

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01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,600
Speaker 1: you know, making apple products in Wisconsin, It's not like

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01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 1: you could snap your fingers and make that happen. And

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01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 1: a lot of people saw it for a PR stunt,

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01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:39,600
Speaker 1: and the jobs numbers kind of show it as a

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01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 1: PR stunt. But here, if all of these repair shops

1595
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:46,679
Speaker 1: that do this type of work close because this takes hold,

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01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 1: there's no control zeeing and undoing this immediately. Once all

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01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:51,680
Speaker 1: of these people doing this work go on to other

1598
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:54,360
Speaker 1: careers and are doing other things. Once this goes away,

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01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 1: it's going to take you with decades to get it back,

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01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 1: and by then it's going to be far too late.

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01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 1: So I just saw a Vice article about there's a

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01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 1: question in Massachusetts right now about people being allowed to

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01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:10,520
Speaker 1: fix their own cars, And there's this very scare mongering

1604
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 1: ad that was released a while back that was saying, oh,

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01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:18,640
Speaker 1: if this goes forward, then predators are going to be

1606
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 1: able to get access to your private data that's stored

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01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 1: in your car, and they have a woman who's fearful

1608
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:25,719
Speaker 1: of a stalker and the stalker's able to find her

1609
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 1: because of Right to Repair? What do you think are

1610
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 1: going to be some of the arguments because corporations are

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01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:35,120
Speaker 1: not just going to allow this to happen and not

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01:26:35,160 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 1: have anything to say about it. So what do you

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01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 1: think are some of the disingenuous arguments that are going

1614
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:43,600
Speaker 1: to be made against right to repair? That was a

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01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 1: good one, Crystal. So luckily they didn't the voters didn't

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01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 1: fall for it, because that initiative one seventy five to

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01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:51,600
Speaker 1: twenty five, and they were pretty much saying that you

1618
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 1: will be sexually assaulted in a parking lot if this

1619
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 1: bill passes by McCann literally literally, yeah, that was bad.

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01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 1: It was a good because I was speaking with somebody

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01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 1: who runs a focus group and he said that many

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01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:05,240
Speaker 1: of the people running the right to Repair campaign in

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01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 1: Massachusetts were men, So let's come up with something that

1624
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:11,599
Speaker 1: you will look bad at fighting back against if you're mail,

1625
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 1: And that that was it was an interesting way that

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01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 1: they went about that campaign. It was very dirty, it

1627
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 1: was very disgusting and underhands, and luckily voters saw through

1628
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 1: it with here. I think what they're going to do

1629
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:22,799
Speaker 1: is they're going to say privacy and security are a concern,

1630
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 1: as in, people are going to hack into your device

1631
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 1: and get your data. If I'm able to replace a chargeboard,

1632
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:29,759
Speaker 1: so if I can, if I can fix the charging

1633
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:31,680
Speaker 1: circuit on your laptop so that when you plug your

1634
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 1: charger and it works somehow, that means that I'm going

1635
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 1: to be getting access to your data and stealing it,

1636
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 1: which is fundamentally just ridiculous. I mean, you've had You've

1637
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:42,679
Speaker 1: had people at the Genius Bar go through people's photos

1638
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 1: and upload the and one of the third party contractors

1639
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:50,639
Speaker 1: uploaded sex tapes off a customer's phone, and Facebook authorized

1640
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:52,640
Speaker 1: repair in the past. But they're going to say that

1641
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:54,680
Speaker 1: this is going to happen widespread, We're going to get

1642
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 1: access to your phone's data, We're going to hack you

1643
01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 1: and and this is absolutely absolutely ridiculous. But that's the

1644
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:05,680
Speaker 1: one line of fear mongering that consistently works because we've

1645
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 1: done focus gripts on this. Got it. Well, I'm glad

1646
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:09,639
Speaker 1: that you could at least have the record straight here, Lewis.

1647
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 1: Where can people find out more about you? About the

1648
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:15,719
Speaker 1: right to Repair movement and all the important developments. People

1649
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:17,679
Speaker 1: can go to websites like repair dot org to figure

1650
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:19,760
Speaker 1: out how to contact their local legislator. They're run by

1651
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:22,679
Speaker 1: Gay Gordon Burn. Very good organization for mind. You can

1652
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 1: just check out my YouTube channel. Just type Lewis Rossman

1653
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 1: to US's and two ends into YouTube. I'm always talking

1654
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 1: about what's going on, and I will have a better

1655
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:31,960
Speaker 1: website put together shortly. Right now I have fight to

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01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:34,800
Speaker 1: repair it out on a placehold. That's awesome. We'll have

1657
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:38,719
Speaker 1: links down there. Yeah, we've we Your explanation of GameStop

1658
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:41,679
Speaker 1: and what was going on there was incredibly invaluable both

1659
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:44,600
Speaker 1: of us, also to our audience. You do a fantastic

1660
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:47,560
Speaker 1: job just breaking things down in a way that's super understandable.

1661
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 1: So Louis super grateful for your time. Thanks for talking

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01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 1: to us. Thank you man so much for taking the time.

1663
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 1: I really appreciate our pleasure. Thanks everybody for watching, We

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01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:59,120
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