1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace joining me right now is 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: a longtime colleague and dare I say friend, Doctor Kendall Crowns. 3 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: You know him well and he is launching an incredible podcast. 4 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: He is joined by his all star panel behind him. 5 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: He always has a full blown skeleton and a skull. 6 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: You know that doesn't come along every day a guy 7 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: that travels with a skeleton and a skull. Doctor Kendall 8 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: Crowns is always the star of the show. Always. I 9 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: could listen to him for hours and I have. Doctor 10 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: Kendall Crowns is a renowned medical examiner, typically joining us 11 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: out of Tyrant County. That's Fort Worth. As I like 12 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: to say, never a lack of business in the Morgue 13 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: in Fort Worth. He is an esteemed lecturer at the 14 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU, and he is launching 15 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: Mayhem in the Morgue. Now. You may think that medical 16 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: examiners are dry as dust. Not true. When I listened 17 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: to his first episode of Mayhem in the Morgue, it 18 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 1: made me laugh, it made me sad, but most of all, 19 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: it made me curious, very curious. Doctor Kendall Crown's thank 20 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: you for being with us. 21 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 2: Of course, thank you, Nancy. 22 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: Tell me how you got in the business. 23 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: So how I got interested in forensic pathology and ultimately 24 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: became a medical examiner is my dad was a criminologist, 25 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 2: and so when I grew up, it wasn't we heard 26 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: the stories like Doctor Seuss and things of that nature. 27 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 2: We actually heard about helter skelter and crime scenes and 28 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: things of that nature. One of the books I had 29 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: as a that I absolutely loved was called A Catalog 30 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: of Crime, and it just had stories after stories of 31 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 2: convicted murderers and what they did and all those things, 32 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 2: and I always just found it fascinating. As a kid, 33 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 2: I'd sit in his library at the house and just 34 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: flip through the different books, looking at all the different pictures, 35 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 2: and it just was part of my life. And when 36 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 2: I was getting older and I thought I wanted to 37 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: be a doctor, my dad said to me, Hey, you know, 38 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: there's this thing called a forensic pathologist or a medical examiner, 39 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 2: and I know the local one, and you want to 40 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: go see an autopsy? And I thought that sounded great. 41 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: I went to the medical examiner's office and saw my 42 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 2: first autopsy, and it just was incredible to me. It 43 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: was a suicide, a single gunshot wounded the head, and 44 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 2: I thought it was the most interesting thing I had 45 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: ever seen in my life. And at the end of 46 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: the autopsy, said to the medical examiner, how do I 47 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: become you? And he told me, well, you know, you 48 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 2: got to go to college, you got to finish medical school, 49 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: and then he'd do residency and then eventually you're a 50 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 2: forensic pathologist. And that's what I did. From that moment on, 51 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 2: I did everything I could to become a medical examiner. 52 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: I bought books about it. When I was in college, 53 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: I was a autopsy tech, and when I was in residency, 54 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 2: I did autopsy tech work on the side to make 55 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: a little extra money. And then I also worked at 56 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: the medical Examiner's office on the weekend as well because 57 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 2: my residency program would pay for it. So I've just 58 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: kind of always been around it. And it really started 59 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 2: in ninth grade in nineteen eighty four. 60 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: Wow, talking about you growing up looking at crime scene 61 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: photos and talking about cases with your dad. I will 62 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: never forget when John David we were watching something, it 63 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: was a murder mystery on BritBox, and he jumped up 64 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: and said, where's the PC Probable calls, and in my 65 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: mind I ticked a box brainwashing complete and I'll never forget. 66 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: We were actually talking about Jody Arius and Lucy said, oh, yeah, 67 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: she's a guilty girlfriend that changed her story three times. 68 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: I was so happy. I could not have been prouder 69 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: of my sweet little girl that said. Can I ask 70 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: you how did you get women? I mean, you certainly 71 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: can't say I hang around the morgone weekends. That's not 72 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: sexy unless you target another medical examiner. I mean, or 73 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: do you just say I'm going to medical school That 74 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: usually works and leave out the dead body part? How 75 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: did you manage to somehow catch missus Kendall Crown. 76 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 2: My wife, Beth, is not in the medical field. She 77 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: had worked as a volunteer emergency medical technician, but we 78 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 2: met by happenstance at a comic book store where one 79 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 2: of my do nothing friends was hanging out or was working, 80 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: and I would go there after getting done with rotations 81 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: in medical school, and then he and I would go 82 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 2: play pool at a local pool hall, and she happened 83 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 2: to come in there because she knew the owner and 84 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 2: was dropping something off, and we met and we started talking, 85 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 2: and two months later I finally got up the nerve 86 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,119 Speaker 2: to ask her out, which is one of the most 87 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 2: pathetic asking out moments of all time, which I. 88 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: Got to hear the whole thing. 89 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 2: Tell me, I learned when I used to vandalize things 90 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 2: that when duct tape catches on fire, it smells like pine. 91 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 2: And I told her that so I and she was like, oh, 92 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 2: that's interesting. And I said, well, you know, I have 93 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,799 Speaker 2: a roll of duct tape in my car. I could 94 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 2: show you. 95 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: And she was like, away, I got to meet this woman. 96 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: Because when you say, hey, baby, I got duct tape 97 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: in the car, everybody runs you say, nothing but tailhole 98 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: on elbows. But your wife, Oddleie was attracted to that. 99 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 2: She could take me to fight. I'll just say that. 100 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 2: So we went out to the car and I got 101 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: out the roll of duct tape, rolled it up, a 102 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: little piece of it and lit it with my car lighter, 103 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 2: and sure enough it smelled like pine. And I said 104 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 2: the classic nag. 105 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: Talking charmer, silver tong ken little Crown's okay, so that's 106 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: how you managed to get your wife. Now you were mentioning, 107 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: it's a story. I didn't know you were mentioning the 108 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: first time you saw an autopsy. I believe you said 109 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: it was a suicide by shooting. You know, isn't it interesting? 110 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: You never forget your first. 111 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: That's correct, you really don't. It was through them through 112 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 2: gun shoveling in the head. The guy was playing Russian ulette. 113 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: He was drunk and shot himself in the head contact 114 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 2: range wound. And one of the things I always remember 115 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 2: is they took out his liver and it was bright 116 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 2: yellow instead of the normal brown. And I asked the doctor, 117 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: I go, why is it discolor Then he said, oh, 118 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: that's from drinking. You know, it causes damage to your 119 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: liver and all that. 120 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: Right? Yellow? Like what yellow are you talking about? Because 121 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: I've got to know the answer to this, Like what yellow? 122 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: Like yellow? Mustard yellow, like kind. 123 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 2: Of a bright yellow, like a French's mustard yellow. 124 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: I can't wait to tell my children if you drink 125 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: when you go to college, your liver will turn yellow, 126 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: ask doctor Kendall Crowns. 127 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 2: That's because it's a toxic. 128 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: I have another question for then. I'm going to get 129 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: to your radio show, uh Dtor Kendall Crowns. When you go, 130 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if you even do out to dinner 131 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: or you go to a party of some sort, do 132 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: you find yourself totally bored out of your skull unless 133 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: people are talking about murder or crime. 134 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: So usually when I go out to dinner, it's a bout. 135 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:05,239 Speaker 2: We talk about other things in my workplace, but parties. 136 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: Actually around other people. 137 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: I don't have a lot of friends, Nancy, But anyway, 138 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:17,679 Speaker 2: when i'm mad to behind you, there's the perfect friends. 139 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: They don't talk. 140 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: But by the way, I've never asked you that, have 141 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: you named them? No? I have not, So I'm going 142 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: to come up with names. I'm not going to do 143 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: it on the spot because I may think better of 144 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: it later. So when you're around other people that are 145 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: not in the business, are you or do they totally 146 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: bore you? Or am I just projecting? Because when I 147 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: go somewhere and somebody tries to talk about politics, I'm like, 148 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: I'll be right back, or if they were anything, because 149 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: when it's in your blood, it's in your blood and 150 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: everything else seems low watted. 151 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 2: Well, I agree with you on that, although when I'm 152 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 2: around other people, I like to just talk to them 153 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 2: and hear their stories and get information about them because 154 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 2: I find people to be fascinating in that regards, because 155 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 2: you never know when you're talking to someone what else 156 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: they got going on at home, because who knows, they 157 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 2: might have a you know, a sex dungeon in the 158 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 2: basement that they're never going to tell you about. But 159 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 2: one day you'll think. 160 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny that your mind to go immediately 161 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 1: to sex dungeon in the basement. You could have said anything, 162 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: but you went with sex dungeon in the basement. I'm 163 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: not ashamed that people that means something only to you, 164 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: which brings to mind Rex hereer men, I've got so 165 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: many cases I could ask you about, but I really 166 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: want to talk about you, So just give me. I 167 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: think i've heard it. Give me a tiny taste. Don't 168 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: give away the end if it's the one I'm thinking about, 169 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 1: which was awesome. What is your first story on your 170 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: first radio show, translation podcast Mayhem in the Morgue. What's 171 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: the first one about? Don't give away the end? 172 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 2: The first one is when I am on the first 173 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 2: day of my forensic pathology rotation in medical school. I 174 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: arrived at the office and right away they get a 175 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 2: phone call in that there's a possible homicide crime scene, 176 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 2: and we go out there and I'm super excited, you know, 177 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: it's first day. I get to see this really exciting thing. 178 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 2: And we get out to the scene. It turns out 179 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 2: to not be a homicide. 180 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 1: We just had to cut Doctor Crown's giving away the end. 181 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: I can't believe I just said, don't give away the end, 182 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: and you gave away the end. But I will say 183 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: that near the end, something shoots out of the victims behind. 184 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: That's correct, that would be the true the end of 185 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 2: that situation. 186 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 1: Stop, don't say another word now. Can I ask you, 187 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 1: while I know your two friends behind you, I've always 188 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: wondered what is on that pillow? It looks like the 189 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: evil Eye, four of them multicolor. What is that? 190 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 2: My daughter is an ad crowcheer and she made that 191 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 2: pillow for me. 192 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: Wait tell me about your daughter. Don't give me any names. 193 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 2: She has a degree in computer science and is now 194 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 2: getting a degree in geology or a master's degree in 195 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 2: geology and then trying to pursue a paleontology career. But 196 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 2: she is. She really loves to crochet, and she really 197 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 2: loves her bones and dinosaurs. And we just went out 198 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 2: with her a couple of weeks ago to a dig 199 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 2: site so she could look for dinosaur bones for her 200 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 2: master's project. 201 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: Wow. You know, because when you and I talk, it's 202 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: always about dissecting a dead body and figuring out the 203 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: cod cause of death and tissue and DNA and body cavities. 204 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: I rarely ask you about Beth, your wife or your daughter. 205 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: Are there any other children I need to know about? 206 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: So? I have a total of five children, two girls, 207 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: three boy. So my oldest is the largest one wife. 208 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 2: That's correct? 209 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 1: And uh okay, so I don't need to ask what 210 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: you do in your spare time. 211 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 2: Five children, that's correct. 212 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: Just give me the breakdown? How many boys and how 213 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: many girls? 214 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: Three boys? Two girls? 215 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: Wow? Okay, I always wanted four, but when I got 216 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: the two that I have, I knew I was lucky 217 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: in anyone to quit. Obviously, some people don't know where 218 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: babies come from, and amazing you're a doctor, doctor Kendall Crowns. 219 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: Where Okay, you know where they come from, but do 220 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: you know how they got there? 221 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 2: Oh? I know that too. I also know how to 222 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 2: take them out and can't put it back in. 223 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: Though, so you really do? So how happy are you 224 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: that you're a medical examiner and not let's just say, 225 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: a plastic surgeon, or I don't know, let's just go 226 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: a plastic surgeon. 227 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: Well, plastic surgery is a funny one because that is 228 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 2: one of the rotations in medical school that was actually 229 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 2: pretty good at and they told me that I should 230 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 2: think about going into that, but I did not want 231 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 2: to do the surgery lifestyle where you were constantly at 232 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 2: work and on call and all the stress associated with that. 233 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 2: I really loved being forensic pathology from the beginning of 234 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 2: medical school, and my mind never changed throughout all the rotations, 235 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: and I really actually enjoy what I do on a 236 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 2: daily basis. It's always different, it's always something exciting, and 237 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 2: you get to do testify, you get to do autopsies. 238 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 2: It's just it's a great job. I cannot complain. I'm 239 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 2: very happy with my life. 240 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: Do you normally have people in the room with you 241 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: when you perform an autopsy or you normally by yourself? 242 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 2: So usually an autopsy, when you're doing the autopsies, there's 243 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 2: usually two to three other doctors working in the room 244 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 2: with you, to autopsy technicians to a body. So the 245 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 2: room is very loud and a lot of people moving around, 246 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 2: a lot of talking noise, of the saws, the cutting 247 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 2: and all that. So it's actually not very quiet. It's 248 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 2: very very very noisy, very stimulating, and there's usually music 249 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 2: playing there. 250 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: We'll say, you know, doctor Kendall Crowns, that's not the 251 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: way it is on TV and movies. There's always a 252 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: medical examiner and everything's pristining quiet, you know. It made 253 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: me think back to days as a trial lawyer, where 254 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: there was so much happening in the courtroom. People were 255 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: coming in and out, spectators getting up and down talking 256 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: behind me, the defense attorneys whining and gnashing their teeth 257 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: and twitching their tails on the other side of the room. 258 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: But you zone completely out of all that and focus 259 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: on what you're doing. It's like all of that just disappears. 260 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: I wouldn't even be conscious of it. I remember, this 261 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: is funny. The first time I'm court TV, where I 262 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: later went to work, covered a case of mine that 263 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: was when women still had to wear pantyhose, and I 264 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: was so not focusing on anything but the case. They 265 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: got me from behind hitching up my pantyhose as they 266 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: inevitably would start going down now in the middle of 267 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: its trial. So you totally zone out and focus on 268 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: nothing but what you're doing. On the other hand, I 269 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: also loved being in the law library on weekends when 270 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: it would be totally quiet and I would be completely 271 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: alone with my legal thoughts and analysis. After you perform 272 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: the autopsy, when do you do all of the written reports. 273 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: You probably dictate during the autopsy. 274 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 2: Sometimes I dictate during the case, and sometimes I wait 275 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 2: till after. It just depends on the complexity of the case. 276 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 2: If it's a multiple gunshot wound with multiple wounds, the 277 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 2: dictations self can take quite a while and it can 278 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 2: be very in depth, so I usually do those when 279 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 2: I can sit in my office and just read through 280 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 2: my notes and make sure I get everything accurate. If 281 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 2: it's as simple like just heart attack or drug overdose, 282 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 2: those can be dictated quite quickly at the autopsy, right 283 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 2: as soon as the autopsy is done. So it kind 284 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 2: of just depends on the case of when I do 285 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 2: the dictations. But I do have some alone time in 286 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 2: my office usually at the after the autopsies are done, 287 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 2: to go through things and then process the paperwork. 288 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: Are you in your office right now? 289 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 2: I am in I have actually two offices connected by 290 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 2: a hallway, and this is a kind of a conference 291 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 2: room office, and my other office is through the hallway 292 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: on the other side. 293 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: Because it looks to me that you're never alone with 294 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: your two friends behind you. All I know is this 295 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: or the voice never gets old talking to you. Yeah, 296 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: them too, it never gets old talking to you. The 297 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: more you talk, the more questions I have, and the 298 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: more I want to listen. You're one of the few 299 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: guests that don't get interrupted. Just look on Twitter. People 300 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: hate it. I know that because you have so much 301 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: to say, and I don't ever want to miss a word, 302 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 1: and I don't want anyone else to miss a word. 303 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: You hear about the autopsies, you hear about the investigations, 304 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:19,479 Speaker 1: but you hear a whole another side of what really 305 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: happens in the morgue and on crime scenes death scenes. 306 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: If I am judging by the first one I've heard, 307 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear the second one. Doctor Kendall 308 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: Crown's launching mayhem in the Morgue, and I am looking 309 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 1: forward to the next one. I love the first one, 310 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 1: and I will leave it a mystery as to how 311 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: something shoots out of the dead person's rear end. I 312 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: will let you tell that story at the right time, 313 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank you for joining me. 314 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 2: Hello, I'm doctor Kendall Crown's, host of your favorite new 315 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 2: weekly crime online podcasts, Mayhem and The Morgue. I have 316 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 2: been around forensics for over thirty five years and performed 317 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 2: thousands of autopsies. I have been everything from an autopsy 318 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 2: tech to finally, a medical examiner, and each week we'll 319 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 2: be discussing stories from my lengthy career. The stories will 320 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 2: range from courtroom dramas, explosions, maulings, shootings, drug overdoses. The 321 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 2: cases will never end, and the stories will range from 322 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 2: the humorous to horrifying, covering a wide variety of topics, 323 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 2: and it will never be a dull moment. Hopefully you 324 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 2: will find the stories entertaining and maybe you'll learn something. 325 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 2: So tune in and I can guarantee your nightmares will 326 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 2: never be the same.