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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky

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Speaker 1: back with you. As we march towards the first full

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Speaker 1: week of college football, we are two weeks out from

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Speaker 1: NFL football really cranking up. Well, I guess I should

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Speaker 1: say a week from tomorrow we get NFL football. How

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Speaker 1: you doing, Buck Man, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Great, DJ.

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Speaker 3: This is one of the best weeks that we'll get

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Speaker 3: because college football is kicking off in earnest and even

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Speaker 3: though there were some college football games last weekend, this

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Speaker 3: is the official start the Labor Day weekend where you

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Speaker 3: You get a ton of them and it's a good

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Speaker 3: the players. I'm excited to see some of the new coaches,

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Speaker 3: particularly Deon Sanders having his opportunity to take over Colorado

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Speaker 3: what's what. Even though it's early, Man, you love to

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Speaker 3: get a chance to see that. And I know you

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Speaker 3: love all levels of football, but there's something about college

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Speaker 3: football that is just different. Just to pageants read just

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Speaker 3: the energy, the different systems and schemes that you see play.

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Speaker 2: To me, it's just fun ball. So I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna talk about some games. Looking forward to

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Speaker 1: the latter portion of this episode, we got a lot

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Speaker 1: of NFL stuff to get to, though. We are going

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Speaker 1: the Jonathan Taylor situation as well as of fascinating some

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Speaker 1: the depth charts, Buck and lowbehole. They didn't make the

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Speaker 1: So now some of those, I'm sure most of them

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Speaker 3: And I'm saying that without being dismissive of the guys

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Speaker 2: They're only a handful of posit.

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Speaker 3: We've always said this, everyone thinks the fifty three man roster,

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Speaker 1: So I'm writing this down to make sure I get

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Speaker 3: So now you can you can keep a veteran around

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can also go out and get guys

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Speaker 2: Anybody that flashes, they're not hidding the streets. No.

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Speaker 3: Anybody that flashes, Anyone who has prototypical dimensions, anyone who

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Speaker 3: You got to have them, and when you get them,

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Speaker 3: stash them and retain them. And sometimes I bet you

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Speaker 3: now on because the way they're doing those deals on

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Speaker 3: the system. Like some of these guys that practice squad

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Speaker 3: It's just they got to keep you on the practice

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how about that crazy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, that was That'll lead me to the next

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm not I'm not making any kind

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Speaker 1: five games, six games. No, don't get you don't get

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Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta commit to a direction, and that

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Speaker 3: Either we're gonna be great or it's gonna be absolutely terrible.

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Speaker 3: There's no play in between. Because you want to have

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Speaker 3: He's gonna have to make. They're looking to him, they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to you got to pick and choose

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Speaker 3: If you're Matthew Stafford you need to know their names.

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Speaker 1: There's one more piece of news we need to talk about,

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Speaker 3: Man, Jonathan Taylor has so much mileage on him from

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Speaker 1: Sure, I'd have some interest in Jonathan Taylor. I mean,

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Speaker 3: But so my thing with him and the entire situation

435
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Speaker 3: is what's the end game? What is the end game

436
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Speaker 3: he has to play if he's gonna play like he

437
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Speaker 3: be on fuck for a little bit. But the salary

438
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Speaker 3: is the salary. He's committed for four million dollars this year.

439
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Speaker 3: He doesn't have any rights beyond this year because they

440
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Speaker 3: always hold the franchise tag for another year and if

441
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Speaker 3: they dribble out the shot clock, by the time of

442
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Speaker 3: his free agency, he'll be twenty six years old. No

443
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Speaker 3: one's gonna pay big money for a twenty six year

444
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Speaker 3: old running back. He has to understand it. And sometimes

445
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Speaker 3: I know you're not a gambler, but DJ, sometimes when

446
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Speaker 3: you play blackjack.

447
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Speaker 2: The house wins.

448
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Speaker 3: He just gotta hey, man, I'm sitting on sixteen.

449
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Speaker 2: Should I hit it? Should or not? I hold it?

450
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Speaker 2: Eighteen win. That's what it is. So he just has

451
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Speaker 2: to know.

452
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Speaker 3: In the negotiation what can I get and his best

453
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Speaker 3: bet is the ball out and then to hope that

454
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Speaker 3: he can get something beyond the franchise tag. But he

455
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Speaker 3: doesn't have many options. He doesn't have many options.

456
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Speaker 1: My my take on the running back thing is much

457
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Speaker 1: like you said with the let's just start with the

458
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Speaker 1: franchise tag numbers and then we'll sprinkle on top. And

459
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Speaker 1: that could be even incentive based if you want to

460
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Speaker 1: protect the club. The club wants to protect itself. Hey,

461
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Speaker 1: if you've hit these markers, we'll give you a little

462
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Speaker 1: extra sugar on top of that. But we'll start with

463
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Speaker 1: the base of these franchise tags. Will guarantee you those

464
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Speaker 1: those numbers right now, and then you hit some numbers,

465
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Speaker 1: we'll sprinkle some more on top. That just seems like

466
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Speaker 1: the way that this thing gets done.

467
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Speaker 3: That well, that's the way that is going to continue

468
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Speaker 3: to get in. We saw and heard stuff about the

469
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Speaker 3: Saquon Barkley stuff. He just turns it down because I

470
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Speaker 3: think they put four million dollars on top of whatever

471
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Speaker 3: the total value of the franchise tag would have been. No, okay,

472
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Speaker 3: he comes back. Then he has to have this mega

473
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Speaker 3: performance on.

474
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Speaker 2: The field to get above the number.

475
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Speaker 3: Josh Josh Jacobs gets a little bit above the franchise tag.

476
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Speaker 1: With some things in that. But that's the formula.

477
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Speaker 3: It's been established. Now you've seen our last two running backs.

478
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Speaker 3: To get signed, that's what they have to do. He

479
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Speaker 3: has to know that's what he's in for, that's what's

480
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Speaker 3: in store for him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, and you said twenty six. Shoot, he came

482
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Speaker 1: in pretty young, So I take twenty six over, you know,

483
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Speaker 1: twenty eight, twenty nine, it becomes harder. Twenty six. He's

484
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Speaker 1: still got there's somebody that'll give him a good two

485
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Speaker 1: three year deal at twenty six. Yeah, he got a

486
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Speaker 1: chance to get there, but you gotta have to you

487
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Speaker 1: have to stay healthy from here to then.

488
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Speaker 2: Stay healthy and play.

489
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Speaker 3: And it plays a position with and he has to

490
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Speaker 3: stay healthy and perform well with a rookie quarterback and

491
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Speaker 3: an offensive line that needs to improve this fight.

492
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Speaker 2: The pedigree disists on that front line.

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Speaker 1: No doubt. So anyways, interesting situation there with Jonathan Taylor.

494
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Speaker 1: So to summarize that, the Green Bay interest, I'm not

495
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Speaker 1: I don't know what. I don't know what to say

496
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Speaker 1: about that. I'm not going to go into that. I

497
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Speaker 1: don't really see much to it. Buck You've got an

498
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Speaker 1: article up top five defensive tackles we work five to one,

499
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Speaker 1: Deron Payne, DeForest Buckner, Quinn Williams. I think everybody's good

500
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Speaker 1: with those. Then it gets interesting. Number two Aaron Donald.

501
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Speaker 1: Number one, Chris Jones. So Chris Jones holding out right now.

502
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Speaker 1: I'm sure he loved to see this. I'm sure his

503
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Speaker 1: agent loved to see this as well. More evidence that

504
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Speaker 1: he should be compensated along the lines of what Aaron

505
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Speaker 1: Donald's compensated, which is quite nice. I'm sure he enjoyed that.

506
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Speaker 2: I don't like your voice. I feel like I feel

507
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Speaker 2: like you don't agree with me on this one. I

508
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Speaker 2: feel like you.

509
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Speaker 1: Still to get I see Chris Jones. I see Chris

510
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Speaker 1: Jones twice a year. I know how he is a dominant,

511
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Speaker 1: dominant player, and he's done it in the postseasons as well.

512
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Speaker 1: So I take nothing away from Chris Jones. I just

513
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Speaker 1: Aaron Donald's healthy and on the fields, so he's a

514
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Speaker 1: one of one.

515
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Speaker 3: He is a one on one and he's the thirty

516
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Speaker 3: million dollar guy at defensive tackle. Shoot, I think he's

517
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Speaker 3: a highest paid pass rusher in the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: Paid defensive player. I think that's the number that Bosa

519
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Speaker 1: is chasing as well.

520
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's a dominant player, but he the pressures

521
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 3: and stuff are fine and solid. I just don't know

522
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Speaker 3: if he's going to continue to be able to sustain it.

523
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Speaker 3: And then when I look at Chris Jones and Chris

524
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Speaker 3: Jones coming off of monster year fifteen and a half sacks,

525
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Speaker 3: he does it in a just a disruptive and explosive fashion.

526
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Speaker 2: Man, he got at some point, we got we got

527
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Speaker 2: to take the crown. Sometimes you gotta say any.

528
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Speaker 3: I mean sometimes sometimes it goes like that there's a

529
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Speaker 3: new undisputed champ and you have to give.

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Speaker 2: It to him.

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Speaker 3: What I love about like having to look at the

532
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Speaker 3: defensive tackles though, DJ, It's one of the things you know,

533
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Speaker 3: we talked about in a way. We talked about the

534
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Speaker 3: p's and we've talked about the three p's and the

535
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 3: four p's in some different way, but we talked about

536
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 3: in building teams and the team building equation, it's passers,

537
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 3: it's pass rushers, it's playmakers, and then it's pass protectors.

538
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Speaker 2: Those are the guys to get paid. So it used to.

539
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Speaker 3: Always be yeah, we know quarterback, and quarterback money is

540
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Speaker 3: now in the forty million range. So now those other

541
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Speaker 3: piece they're making quarterback money and the twenty million dollar range.

542
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Speaker 3: So when you think about pass rushers, it always.

543
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Speaker 2: Used to be the guys on the edges.

544
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Speaker 3: Well, DJ, they are now I think eight defensive tackles

545
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Speaker 3: making twenty million annually. Chris Jones is at the bottom

546
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Speaker 3: of that, but Dexter, Lawrence, Deron Payne, Jeffrey Simmons.

547
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Speaker 2: I mean, the list goes on and.

548
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Speaker 3: On with these guys making significant money, and the defensive

549
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 3: tackle position has evolved from being one where we used

550
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Speaker 3: to have these runs, stuffing nose tackles and three techniques too.

551
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you might be a run stick, but you

552
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Speaker 2: better be able to get to the quarterback.

553
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Speaker 1: Hold on, and I want you to do this. This

554
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Speaker 1: is we always talk about blink scouting. I'm gonna ask

555
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Speaker 1: you to make a blink decision. Okay, I don't I

556
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Speaker 1: don't want you to give any thought to it. I

557
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Speaker 1: just need you to say one or the other. You're ready,

558
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Speaker 1: Chris Jones, nicko Bosa, Nick Boson, that you are?

559
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Speaker 2: Will you go?

560
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Speaker 1: Nick Bosa?

561
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Speaker 2: I would go Nick Boson?

562
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Speaker 1: I think I would go, Chris Jones, Really Nick Bosa.

563
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Speaker 1: I love Nick Bosa, but I would say it's harder

564
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Speaker 1: to get home from it. Yeah, it's harder. You can

565
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Speaker 1: try and take him away to some degree. Chris Jones, buck,

566
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Speaker 1: I see it. I mean you can't do anything. You know,

567
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Speaker 1: you can put him out.

568
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Speaker 2: He can.

569
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Speaker 1: He one of the better ends you want to play

570
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Speaker 1: him at an he be one of top five or six.

571
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Speaker 3: So my thing would be in the team building thing.

572
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Speaker 3: I want one of each. So now we talk about

573
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Speaker 3: let's just talk about how you allocate your cash in

574
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Speaker 3: the Sally cap Era in a passing thing because you're

575
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Speaker 3: gonna see this, because this is gonna happen real time

576
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 3: for you. With the LA charges, We've now paid the quarterback.

577
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Speaker 3: So when we pay the quarterback, all the money goes

578
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Speaker 3: to that side of the ball. Because I now have

579
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Speaker 3: a high end quarterback, I need to have at least

580
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Speaker 3: two more key receivers, whether it's a tied end and

581
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Speaker 3: a wide receiver.

582
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Speaker 2: Two wide receivers gotta have that.

583
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Speaker 3: I got to pay to protect them, so tackle guard whatever,

584
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Speaker 3: we got to have somebody to go there. So on defense,

585
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Speaker 3: I'm left to pay three people. I'm only paying three

586
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Speaker 3: people on defense. I'm paying two pass rushers and one

587
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 3: second level defender wherever you deemed that to be. But

588
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Speaker 3: it used to be a I want to have the edges,

589
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 3: so Khalil Mack and Joy Boston. But now the better

590
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Speaker 3: approach might be one outside, one inside. Sometimes I put

591
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Speaker 3: them on the same side together, sometimes I put them.

592
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Speaker 2: On opposite sides.

593
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Speaker 3: But I want someone to threaten me up the gut,

594
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Speaker 3: someone to threaten me off the edge. That is defomula

595
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Speaker 3: to me to building that championship team in this new

596
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Speaker 3: Sellar cap Ra.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're talking about all those defensive tackles and down

598
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Speaker 1: your list to me trying to game plan. Let's just

599
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Speaker 1: look at the top three. Quinn Williams, Aaron Donald, Chris Jones.

600
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Speaker 1: There's no answers those guys. Those guys are a nightmare

601
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Speaker 1: to deal with. And you don't you know where they're

602
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: going to line up inside, where you're gonna try, and

603
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: how you're gonna try and get to them and slide

604
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Speaker 1: to them. It just makes everything else easier for everybody else.

605
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: They disrupt you run and pass. They're always playing on

606
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Speaker 1: the other side of the line of scrimmage. I mean,

607
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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if you got to

608
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Speaker 1: you got a dominant n right, I can always run left.

609
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Speaker 2: You know.

610
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Speaker 1: I can't get away from Quinn Williams and Chris Jones

611
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Speaker 1: and Aaron Donald. I can't get away from them. No

612
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: matter what you do, you cannot get away from them.

613
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Speaker 2: No, you can't. You can't scheme your way out of it.

614
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Speaker 2: You can't do it. You can't quick set them.

615
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Speaker 1: They're harder to find. I mean, you can go if

616
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Speaker 1: you did a list of the top five edge rushers

617
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Speaker 1: you'd have you'd have fifteen names. You're trying to sort

618
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Speaker 1: through to get to those top five.

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Speaker 3: So not only that, So this comes on the heels

620
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Speaker 3: of last year. I think there were three defensive tackles

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Speaker 3: taken in the first round. It is now becoming the

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Speaker 3: position of the guys. Yeah, I told you he's like

623
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Speaker 3: eight making over twenty pass rushers. I mean, that's what

624
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Speaker 3: it is. You have to be able to do that.

625
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 3: Even this, let's say it. You go down the line.

626
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Speaker 3: Dexter Lawrence got paid in the offseason. He got paid

627
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Speaker 3: in the off season because he gets with Wink and

628
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Speaker 3: Wink is like, oh my god, this is a dominant,

629
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Speaker 3: disruptive inside pass rusher. Deron Payne emerges. He's been pegged

630
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Speaker 3: as a nose tackle slash run stopper. Last season he

631
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Speaker 3: has eleven and a half sacks. Now, all of a sudden,

632
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Speaker 3: you have to pay him. You have him and Jonathan

633
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Speaker 3: Allen on the same defense. You know, Jeffrey Simmons. We

634
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Speaker 3: know how good Jeffrey Simmons was when he came out

635
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Speaker 3: of Misisp State. We've seen how good he's been for Tennessee.

636
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Speaker 3: Javon Hargrave on the inside. J A ton of these

637
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Speaker 3: dudes that are inside that are wrecking shop. It's almost

638
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Speaker 3: a requirement. You better have someone on the interior that

639
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,719
Speaker 3: can dominate it. Not just against the run. They got

640
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Speaker 3: to be a dominant inside pass rusher because it changes

641
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Speaker 3: the way that opponents have to play.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's an interesting discussion there, inside versus outside. Ideally,

643
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Speaker 1: like you said, you'd like to have one of each.

644
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Speaker 1: But I love the list. You can check that out.

645
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: By the way, go to NFL dot com slash Bucket Brooks.

646
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: You can find all Bucks stuff on there. College football

647
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: kicks off this weekend. Buck We've got the list of

648
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Speaker 1: games here. I'm not going to patronize you, but I'll

649
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Speaker 1: be honest. I think that your game is the game

650
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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to the most North Carolina South Carolina.

651
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: That's gonna be a great matchup.

652
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 2: It'd be a great matchup.

653
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: And now I'll say this as a tar heel, It's always

654
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 3: been difficult for Carolina taking on South Carolina because what

655
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 3: you have is the sec versus acc thing. The last

656
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 3: time of these teams matched up, South Carolina absolutely put

657
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 3: it on the physicality and toughness. But the reason why

658
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 3: it's a compelling matchup, we're talking two quarterbacks one we

659
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 3: knew we were talking about in Drake May. Another has

660
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 3: re emerged kind of jumped back onto the radar and

661
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 3: Spencer Ratler. Spencer Radler was a prized recruit from Arizona,

662
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 3: ghost to Oklahoma, gets beat up by Kayleb Williams, disappears

663
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 3: and goes to South Carolina. People kind of like forget

664
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 3: about Spencer Rally.

665
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:09,239
Speaker 2: End of the year.

666
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 3: Last year South Carolina put us a flash to South

667
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:12,959
Speaker 3: Carolina knocks off Tennessee.

668
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 2: You got a chance to see Spencer Ratler some.

669
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: Of the flashes that you got excited about when he lashes.

670
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 3: So now this is a big opportunity for him because

671
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 3: whether Drake May is QB one, QB two coming into

672
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 3: the season, he's one of the top quarterbacks. So in

673
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 3: a game where you have an opportunity to see one

674
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 3: of the top quarterbacks in the draft, Spencer Ralla has

675
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 3: an opportunity to kind of put some respect on his

676
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 3: name again if he outplays Drake May. This is a

677
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 3: huge game for Drake May, but it's a big game

678
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 3: for Spencer Rally because if he wants to kind of

679
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 3: get back in that conversation as a first round talent,

680
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 3: he has to perform on this with all odds on him.

681
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,479
Speaker 1: All right, answer me this on the other side of it,

682
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: because I talked to a buddy who has been rolling

683
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: to the southeast on a scouting tour and he's seen

684
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: just about everybody, And I said, what give me the standouts?

685
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: Like what stood out to you when you're out here

686
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: looking at these schools? He goes, He goes, I'll be

687
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: honest with you, he said, on the hoof what they

688
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: look like? He said, I would put what North Carolina

689
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: looks like right now up against Georgia. He's like, I'm

690
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: not saying as players, but he's saying that. He said, there,

691
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: they got eight defensive linemen, they got two running backs.

692
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: That receiver. I hope it gets eligible, but they're kind

693
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: of NCAA's kind of screwing him right now. But he

694
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: said that team looks apart man from where it was

695
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: a handful of years ago to now. He said, Mac,

696
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: you can tell he's bought brought in a lot of

697
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: NFL bodies in there with Carolina. I thought, oh, really,

698
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: it's like we said. I was like Georgia. He's like,

699
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, DJ, they look they looked apart now Carolina.

700
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: So I mean, it'd be interesting to see where a

701
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: little bit.

702
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 3: I do know one thing, having known coach Brown for

703
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 3: a long time, had a had a sour taste in

704
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 3: his mouth. The team won nine games, The team won

705
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 3: the Coastal team went to the a SEC Championship, but

706
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 3: it felt like a disappointing year because of the way

707
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 3: they finished. Then they lost three out their last four games,

708
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 3: didn't play well after the Georgia Tech game. And he

709
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 3: wants to kind of write the ship what I will

710
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 3: say about him and the NFL talent, like in terms

711
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 3: of the scout coming through, that has always been Coach

712
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 3: Brown's ma looked the part when.

713
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: Carolina was rolling.

714
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: When he was there previously a lot of NFL players,

715
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 3: a lot of bodies, a lot of proto types when

716
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 3: it came to science, peppers, athleticism.

717
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: All those guys.

718
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 3: And before you can compete with those teams that you

719
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 3: talk about in the playoffs, you got to at least

720
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 3: look like those teams and then hope that you can

721
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 3: develop the skills. And so that'll go a long way.

722
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 3: I'm curious when we talk about this weekend because everyone

723
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 3: will talk about SEC because the SEC still in the

724
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 3: scouting world, it's still kind of like the standard in

725
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 3: terms of where you go to get players, how they

726
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 3: how they look, how they perform. You still want to

727
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 3: see some of that. So I can't wait to see.

728
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 3: I think what Florida State LSU how they metgal State

729
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 3: Elisure that Sunday, because people talking.

730
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: About Florida State being back and the one thing going.

731
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 3: All the way back that used to be to three

732
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: day visit had been played against him.

733
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: It was all NFL bodies and prototypes.

734
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 3: So now you took two teams that have always been

735
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 3: the prototypical NFL feeding farms, Florida State and where Brian

736
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 3: Kelly has done with LSU.

737
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: I mean, look, this is a scouse.

738
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 3: This week is the scous dream and so all these

739
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 3: big games being able to do it.

740
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Also looking forward to Monday, which you'll get Clemson

741
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: and Duke to see what Clemson looks like. Duke has

742
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: a quarterback, Ryan Leonard did a lot of people like

743
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: as well, So keep an eye on that one. But

744
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: you touched on at the top, and I want to

745
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: hit you on the last one here. What should the

746
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: realistic expectations be for Prime as Colorado goes to take

747
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: on TCU, and I know we both got buddies on

748
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: that staff, But what what should the expectations from the outside,

749
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: because I think there's great mystery about it.

750
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a lot of mystery for me. I

751
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: try to have a realistic view.

752
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 3: If he's able to get a winning season out of it,

753
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 3: I would say that's a huge success in year one despite.

754
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: The normal, that's a wild success. Well, they win one

755
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: game last year.

756
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 3: One game last year, and I know they had seventy transfers,

757
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 3: and that's the If they can get to a winning season,

758
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 3: to me, that's it, because I still believe in rebuilding

759
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 3: a program crawl walk, run. They got to crawl a

760
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 3: little bit to the point where they're competitive. Then they

761
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 3: got to take the next stage to go from being

762
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 3: competitive to being being good and then from good to great.

763
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 3: To me, that's three four years before you're able to

764
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 3: do that. Despite the name and despite the success that

765
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 3: he had to Jackson State, I think it takes some

766
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 3: time to do that. Here's what I want everyone to do, though,

767
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 3: Travis Hunter is going to play both ways.

768
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: In this game.

769
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 3: He's going to play wide receiver and cornerback. For those

770
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 3: of you don't know Travis Hunter, and Travis Hunter followed

771
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 3: Dion from Jackson State to Colorado after being a five

772
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 3: star recruit that was expected to go to Florida at

773
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 3: one point.

774
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, right.

775
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dion flips him from Florida State, it goes to

776
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 3: Jackson State. What he has an opportunity to do is

777
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,959
Speaker 3: to be man, I'm trying to think that the top

778
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 3: two way player that we've seen eventually make his way

779
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 3: to the draft since I mean he's talking about like

780
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 3: Roy Green, but even on the collegiate level, the I mean, like.

781
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: I want Dorry Jackson as one that comes to mind

782
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: from reals, like, yeah, Dorry Jackson offense.

783
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: But this dude is talking they're talking about starting here.

784
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 3: We saw Charles Wilson do a little bit of it,

785
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 3: Dorry Jackson, as you mentioned, There've been a handful of

786
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 3: others dead have kind of do. But DJ what I'm

787
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 3: hoping this does, if he plays well, I'm hoping it

788
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 3: opens up the floodgates to more players playing on both

789
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 3: sides of the ball, because in high school that's what

790
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 3: these kids do. In college, we don't let them do that.

791
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 3: But if Travis Hunter is able to do this at

792
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 3: an elite level. Now the college game becomes more like

793
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 3: the high school game, where I'm putting my best players

794
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 3: on the field, and I'd be darn what it looks like.

795
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see Travis Hunner.

796
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: Play, by the way, and I won't mention the names.

797
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: When I watched one of the top high school programs

798
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: on TV the other day, and on the broadcast, they're

799
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,919
Speaker 1: announcing all the I mean, they're all power five kids.

800
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: They're all going Power five this, that and the other,

801
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: and kind of opposite of what you were saying there,

802
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: at these ultra big, powerhouse high school programs, those kids

803
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: aren't going both ways. So now buck a lot of them.

804
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 1: Not only have we gotten away from multi sport guys,

805
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: so they're not playing multiple sports, and now at some

806
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: of these huge programs, they're not even going both ways.

807
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: Like to me, man, they're missing something there, Like I

808
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: and I wonder if you look and track some of

809
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: these programs, these powerhouse programs relative to you know, how

810
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: highly recruited these guys are and how many stars they have,

811
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: how many of them really hit big, like really payoff

812
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: huge versus some of these other kids may maybe a

813
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: little bit lesser of a program, still good high school football,

814
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: but they're playing both ways. They're running track, they're playing hoops.

815
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: Like I think that's a better overall development process than

816
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 1: just being so loaded that he only plays receiver.

817
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 2: That's it. Yeah, there's something to that.

818
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 3: Now. I would say from a coaching standpoint, what happens

819
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 3: when you have guys playing both ways in a very

820
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 3: competitive game the fourth quarter, two way players can wear out.

821
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 3: From a coaching standpoint, I tend to believe, like you

822
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 3: can have an offensive line in a defensive line, it's

823
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 3: hard to play both ways at the line.

824
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 2: Your skill guys, though, they absolutely.

825
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 3: Can play both ways, because what you can do you

826
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 3: can rest those guys on offense or defense or whatever.

827
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 3: But you're right, I believe they are missing out on

828
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 3: some things. When you don't play both ways, you don't develop.

829
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 3: Like the wide receiver who gets used to going forward,

830
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 3: but now he has to backpedal and break and drive

831
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 3: and do some of the other stuff. Not only does

832
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 3: it allow him to learn different skills, but dja, he

833
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 3: develops a different setup athletic attributes that will make him

834
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: a better player eventually when he settles in on one

835
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 3: position with Travis Hunter. Though now I'm hoping that some

836
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 3: of those five star guys maybe demand a little more

837
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 3: of a coach.

838
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 2: I'll go here, but I would like to play.

839
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: I think it's great, man, I love it.

840
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: I to me, to me, that's what I want to see.

841
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 3: We talk about, and we've talked about this on the podcast,

842
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 3: the difference between wide receivers in the National Football League

843
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 3: when it comes to the draft and the DBS that

844
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 3: for a long time we were getting the lesser athletes at

845
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 3: dB because all the high school coaches were putting their

846
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 3: guys at wide receiver and leaving them there, and so

847
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 3: you had a.

848
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 2: Kind of a divide between the athleticism.

849
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 3: If we get to the point where the college guys

850
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 3: are doing are playing the game like high school guys,

851
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 3: where you're no, no, you play defense on this series,

852
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 3: but you're going over you you can play some wide out. Yeah,

853
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 3: now I'm getting a better over our athlete. I just

854
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 3: think we talked about the more you can do the

855
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 3: Troy Browns of the world and that stuff. Imagine doing

856
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 3: that with and no disrespect to Troy Brown, but imagine

857
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 3: doing that with like five star athletes. Yeah, may take

858
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 3: to the pros and you say, Okay, this guy's gonna

859
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 3: be my receiver, but he will be my nickel in

860
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 3: my dime dB, if we have to just get a

861
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 3: better overall plate.

862
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: I love it. It's a fun way to end this one.

863
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: I hope you guys have enjoyed that. We've got a

864
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: bunch of football coming your way this weekend. We'll be

865
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 1: back next week to break it all down. Multiple episodes

866
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: coming your way next week, I think three or four,

867
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: so we will not be there on Monday, we've got

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Speaker 1: Labor Day, but we will be back with multiple episodes

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Speaker 1: next week as we march towards the start of the

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Speaker 1: NFL season. Appreciate you guys hanging with us. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you next time right here on Move the sticks.