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Speaker 1: On the dol Cast. The questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef and Best

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Speaker 1: start changing it with the bel casts. Hello and welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Backdel Cast. My name is Caitlin, my name

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Speaker 1: is Jamie. I don't know why did I do that

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Speaker 1: weird thing at the end. I don't know. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to match you, though, I love We're so on the

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Speaker 1: same page. Love you. Well, here we are talking about

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Speaker 1: women in movies once again thet time. I mean, we've

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Speaker 1: been doing it for a while. I know, I'm so

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Speaker 1: proud of us. I you know what it is. It's

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Speaker 1: a good thing for structure. It's a good thing for

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Speaker 1: our friendship. It's a good thing for our friendship with Aristotle.

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Speaker 1: It's a good thing for you know, yeah, exactly, exactly exactly. Man.

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited a man like man. Sometimes it's like

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Speaker 1: when we're looking for guests for the show, we're like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: who's super funny who do we have a friend crush on?

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Speaker 1: And then let's just make it so so our guest today.

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Speaker 1: She has been a writer for college Humor, MTV Disney,

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Speaker 1: and she has a show coming out on i f

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Speaker 1: C which she is the star and creator of, called Neurotica.

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Speaker 1: Jenny Jeff Hi, I can't tell you how many times

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Speaker 1: I've considered starting a podcast with the express purpose of

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Speaker 1: making friends in l A. And I think that's kind

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Speaker 1: of a hacky move but at the same time, but

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Speaker 1: it does work so far, so good. I mean, everybody

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Speaker 1: I mean, well, the thing that, man, I've been having

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Speaker 1: a rough week with Los Angeles, the city that I

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Speaker 1: am still not sure if I like or not. Where

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Speaker 1: it's just everyone's always around, you know, like everyone's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I can do a podcast at two pm, because no one.

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Speaker 1: That's why I have I'm not making the friends though,

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Speaker 1: so or the other thing is I'll be like, come

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Speaker 1: That's the only other way I can. Well, you should go.

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Speaker 1: You can go to those shows that the people are

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Speaker 1: on and then be like, hey, I thought you were funny.

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Speaker 1: That's true. I'm a very bad comedy audience though. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And then you have to go to a show I like,

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Speaker 1: and I do like going to two shows obviously like

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Speaker 1: I like comedy a whole lot. But the problem is, like,

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Speaker 1: And if it's a new friendship and I don't think

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Speaker 1: something I need to work on. Really, I just don't

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Speaker 1: Now if you also honest, there's also just more bad

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Speaker 1: comedy shows in the world. When they are a good

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Speaker 1: started doing comedy so that I would stop hiding from people,

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Speaker 1: we watched it together. This week. We're watching more and

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Speaker 1: more movies together. I love it. It's fine. Couldn't make it,

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Speaker 1: this one, this one, it's fine. Have you seen this movie? Though? Aristotle?

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Speaker 1: an emphatic knod. We're talking about mean girls, Jennyonine. Did

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Speaker 1: so now I'm like, I don't. I never want to

425
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Speaker 1: leave him because I feel like you saved my life,

426
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,639
Speaker 1: but also no insurance covers him. So it's just this

427
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 1: thing where the American system is terrible and steadily getting worse,

428
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: and what are you gonna do. I'm never going to

429
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 1: leave him. I'll go into debt. I don't care. I

430
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: think that therapy should be free, the way that like

431
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: you can get free books at the library. I don't

432
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: know why that's not just a social service that we

433
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: have because we don't value mental health. That's what physical health,

434
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: and we barely value physical health very much. Oh are

435
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: you a woman? Do you have a pre existing condition?

436
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 1: Too bad? Go and die. That's what the Republicans say. Boy, okay, wait,

437
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: let's go, let's go back. Mean girls, Well, a few things.

438
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: One of the few reasons this movie does not hold

439
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: up very well. The word retarded gets said three different times,

440
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: so that's like, oh, that's a very oh for. I mean,

441
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: that's that's another thing where I'm in no way justifying that.

442
00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 1: But if we're kicking it too oh for, that mean,

443
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 1: at least in my experience, that was dropped quite a

444
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: bit in pop culture and in my middle school. Yeah,

445
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: it's pretty remarkable the amount of sensitivity we have acquired

446
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: as a culture since the Bush administration. And like it's

447
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: I know, it's like dropped off precipitously with the rise

448
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: of actual fucking Nazis, but like there is also it's

449
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: pretty it's cool. Like legitimately, there are a lot of

450
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: kind of like weird gender jokes and stuff in this

451
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: movie that I don't think would have been Yeah, well,

452
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 1: I mean whenever, like Janice is going through the cafeteria

453
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 1: and be like, here's where all the clicks sit, and

454
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: she's like, this is where the girls who eat their

455
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: feelings sit, and here's the girls who don't eat anything.

456
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 1: Basically like body shaming women, mental illness shaming other women,

457
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: and then like all these different like racial stereotypes. Yeah,

458
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: there's a lot of jokes about Asian people. There's uh,

459
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 1: there's gay jokes. Damien's expect like, there's a lot of

460
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: stuff I would need to It's a hard thing because

461
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,719
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to say that any of this

462
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: is like okay, but that if we're talking about how

463
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: people talk about each other in high school, that doesn't

464
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 1: that's not incredibly unusual where I think of some of

465
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 1: the words that were thrown at me in high school

466
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, you know, this movie is only

467
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: one pg thirteen, so you couldn't say, hey, there's the

468
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 1: girl with the ol bow up her asshole. Yeah, I

469
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: got a lot of I got a lot of lesbo

470
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, you're half right, but yeah,

471
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 1: just you know, it's like, um, I think just stuff

472
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: that it's partially two thou four and it's partially stuff

473
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: that just kids in high school say, and then like

474
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: there's a tiny part that's problematic. Fave of Tina Fee,

475
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 1: who I love, even though I think she has some

476
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: really huge blind spots when it comes to especially talking

477
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: about race and to think you know, it's one of

478
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: those things where it's like I think she has net

479
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: put more good into the world than bad, but really

480
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: really tough listening to her defend certain choices she's made

481
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: and thinks she's written and the Native American storyline and

482
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 1: came exactly I'm thinking about too well. I think her

483
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: character ms Norberry is poised as being like this wise

484
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: woman who like she she's an ally and she's gonna

485
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: give you all the answers on how to treat each

486
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: other better as a woman. But I would argue that

487
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,239
Speaker 1: she is the most problematic character of them all. And

488
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: let me explain why. There's a few scenes where she

489
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: is talking to a character, usually Katie, and being like, hey,

490
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: here's a reason that you should do this, and the

491
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 1: reasons are always problematic. For example, she's trying to get

492
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: Katie to join the athletes and she's like, yeah, we've

493
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: of to have a girl on the team so that

494
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: the team could meet a girl. Not because women need

495
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: to be represented in mathematics, not because it would be

496
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: good for Katie or because she's good at math women

497
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: Is that exactly, um, But it's so that the boys

498
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: on the team could have a chance to interact with

499
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: a woman. That was her reasoning for Katie joining the maths.

500
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: She was joking because she's a female math teacher, Like,

501
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: surely she has, yes, but then it keeps happening another scene,

502
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: whenever she's like, you, girls, towards the end, when they're

503
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: all in the gymnasium, you've got to stop calling each

504
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: other sluts and horse, because that just makes it okay

505
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: for guys to call you sluts and horse. But like

506
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: she's also the reason she's giving is always like how

507
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: these women like their experience is related to two men,

508
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: because she doesn't say, oh, it's because slut shaming is

509
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 1: wrong and you should like be building each other up

510
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: rather than tearing each other down, Like there's that. And

511
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: then finally, during the math like competition, whenever they're two

512
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: teams are about to go up against each other, Miss

513
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: Norberry goes up to Katie's like, you can do this.

514
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: There's nothing to break your focus because not one of

515
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: those mary Mount boys is cute. Again, bringing her experience

516
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: back to like how it relates to men. She didn't say, oh,

517
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: you can do this because you're good at math, or

518
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: because you've prepared a lot for this, Like it just

519
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: bothered me that all the reasons she kept giving for

520
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: different things were like it's how, it's how your experience

521
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: relates to men in some way. So it bothered to me. Yeah,

522
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: I get maybe I'm being nippicky. No, I think that

523
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: those are valid points. Um, I don't know. I mean

524
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: the thing that the thing that always bothers me about,

525
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: especially like mid Odds, Tina fe characters earlier lots Lemon

526
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: is just like, do you if they stop pretending that

527
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: you look like ship, you don't look like ship, you

528
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: look great, stopped like the whole, the whole for where

529
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm not that cute, I do math, I'm

530
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: not the games. It's like you're beautiful, Calm down. Um,

531
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: I don't know a lot of what she said, for sure,

532
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: is in reference to men, but but also seemed clearly

533
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: communicated as a joke or a lead into a visual

534
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: like the Mary Mount Boys, and it cuts to I

535
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: thought that in particular was because Katie had broken her

536
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: focus through the whole semester because of Aaron Samuel's So

537
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: I thought that particulars just her saying like, well, you

538
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: don't get Aaron Samuel's here, so like, and her character

539
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: dealt with That's that Aaron Samuel's thing pretty well? Yeah,

540
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: in terms of calling her out where that you know

541
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: the scene where she's like, well, it's weird because all

542
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: your work is correct, but only the answers, and she's like,

543
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: you don't have to dumb yourself down to like in

544
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: Prescott press a guy. Yeah, I mean she still is

545
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: the most problematic character, Like she right off the bat

546
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: assumes that the black girl in classes uh who is

547
00:29:53,520 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: from Michigan is the African girl. But yeah, not saying

548
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: I don't think your reads are wrong, I just don't.

549
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: I think in the context of the movie, they're not

550
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: like the most problematic things about the movie, even though

551
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: the movie does have a lot of problematic things. I mean,

552
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: doing this podcast has basically ruined me. I'm now like like, oh,

553
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: this movie isn't fucking perfect, Like I could be more.

554
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: It's ripping up the bandon a lot. Well, I don't

555
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: know if that's I mean, I think this is like

556
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: one of the places that we've come to and like,

557
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: I don't even know that slut shaming was a concept

558
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: in two thousand and four that people were don't I

559
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: don't think we gave it a name at least, I mean,

560
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: it was happening, but we weren't like identifying. It's like, oh,

561
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: this is there were sluts, but there was not the

562
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,479
Speaker 1: concept of shaming yet. People were slut shaming, but we

563
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: didn't have it. We didn't have a word for it.

564
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: We weren't saying like, you shouldn't do this because that's problematic. Two,

565
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: I was getting slush shamed every day. Kid. I don't

566
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: know what, like the closest to perfect in that regard

567
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: movie is. I'd be interested to try. And because I

568
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: think every movie has a pretty huge blind spot, because

569
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: every person has a pretty huge blind spot, and they're like,

570
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: everybody messes up, and the only thing anybody can do

571
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: is when they mess up, and when they're like, oh wow,

572
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: I didn't even think about this blind spot that I had.

573
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: You're right, and I will do better in the future,

574
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: and like then you just keep learning. And that's a

575
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: place where I think Tina Fey's failed a little bit.

576
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: But everybody gets to have a problematic faith, I think.

577
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: And I think she's a good one. She's a good one.

578
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: She's a Tina Fey. At least we have a women

579
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: writer for this movie, and it was Tina Fey wrote

580
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: it and then she adapted it from the book by

581
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: Rosalind Wiseman, which is such a cheesy book but I've

582
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: never read it. Queen Bee's and Wannabees We that was

583
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: a part of the whole church group deals. You also

584
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: had to read the book with your mom. I remember, like,

585
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a lot of stuff like that

586
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: where my mom was reading a lot of books like that,

587
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: and I don't know how much they really helped her,

588
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: because like the real issue for me in high school

589
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: was mostly just making sure I didn't kill myself. So like,

590
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: I don't know how many of the much any of

591
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: those books ended up factoring into how she dealt with me,

592
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: But like I do know she or like she watched

593
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: like the movie like thirteen and stuff, and I'm like,

594
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lose my virginity for a solid seven years,

595
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: so let's shift the focus, right, Yeah, my mom didn't.

596
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think my mom was sort of

597
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: just like, well, I realized things don't look too good.

598
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: But my mom what she tried to do, actually, which

599
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: is kind of antithetical to the whole mean girls church

600
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: group thing, was my mom actively tried to steer me

601
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: into what she was in high school, which was a popular,

602
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: well liked gal um and I guess I'd really have

603
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: to do to dig deep to figure out how I

604
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: feel about it. But I guess that she did that

605
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: with a small degree of success. Where I, you know,

606
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: my interests were reading and playing yobo, and I did

607
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: ballet dancing, but usually I was wearing a back brace.

608
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: And then my mom started being like, oh, you should

609
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: join the drama club. You know, you should join the

610
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: dance team. You should do this, you should do this,

611
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: and she pushed me in a more conventional direction, which

612
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: I wish she hadn't done, but also at the time,

613
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: I listened. So I guess what I'm saying is my

614
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: mom is my problematic fame. She's yeah, it's it's weird

615
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: because and then you think, like the generation before us

616
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: was influenced by all this ship as well. And I

617
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: don't know what the mean girls for their genera that

618
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: it just didn't exist. Oh true, pink ladies. Yeah, I

619
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: don't think I need to reach that. Yeah. Oh hold

620
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: on one second, let's just chuck the rest of this

621
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: and stop that. Right. Musicals and I hate the lift

622
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: from Dirty Dancing, that's right. I hated off Joel Schumacher

623
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: directed fam of the Opera two thousand and four and

624
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: think a terrible adaptation but also a terrible music. But

625
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: I love it. I will have the phantom to talk

626
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: with you, like anytime please. Okay, this is very bad.

627
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: It is mostly a movie about how to run an

628
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: opera house poorly, and then has a couple of scenes business,

629
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: oh my god, are we yeah, we should talk about it.

630
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: Spare me these unending trials. I'm leaving. I don't want to.

631
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: And then I enjoy Patrick Wilson's interpretation of role. I

632
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: do too. I think he's underrated. It's like, Wow, Christine,

633
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: do you want to marry the ugly murderer rapist or

634
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: the handsome nice guy who's actually a good act is

635
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Speaker 1: actually a solid actor and can sing. And she's still like,

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Speaker 1: oh this is Butler cannot hit the top note on

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Speaker 1: music of the night. He can't hit one job. It's

638
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Speaker 1: so bad. Okay, that's our shout out, the Schumacher shout out.

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Speaker 1: The only musical I like is Team America World Police. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep mentioning on this epico. It's got the

641
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Speaker 1: best song ever, which is Pearl Harbor sucks. And I

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Speaker 1: Love You. That's such a good song and I think

643
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Speaker 1: about it all the time, the montage song love it,

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Speaker 1: even though they already did it in an earlier episode

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Speaker 1: have you seen Cannibal to Musical and how do you

647
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Speaker 1: feel about it? I have not seen that. No, it's brilliant.

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Speaker 1: It's there. You'll probably if you like south Park Bigger,

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Speaker 1: longer than cut and uh and Team America, then it's

650
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Speaker 1: a kind of a trilogy. Hell yeah, it's It's got

651
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Speaker 1: a lot of the same jokes and you see where

652
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Speaker 1: a lot of like really early jokes came from. And

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Speaker 1: I'll watch it. It's very delightful, cool, good guys, good guys,

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Speaker 1: love them friends of the cast. I haven't seen that either, fantastic.

655
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Speaker 1: I don't have the money to go watch things on stage.

656
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Speaker 1: What you have to do is start writing for a

657
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Speaker 1: clickbait website and then just be like, hey, I'll write

658
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Speaker 1: about it, and then hopefully they forget that. I've seen

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Speaker 1: Scarlet ears hire me BuzzFeed. I did stand up on

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Speaker 1: BuzzFeed once and well, I'll put the link in the commice.

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Speaker 1: It was an experience I'm changed, BuzzFeed, remember suff he changed.

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Speaker 1: We haven't really talked about the plastics that much, No,

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Speaker 1: we haven't. So we've got Regina George Rachel McAdams kills it.

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Speaker 1: is weird. One. I've never particularly drawn to her in

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Speaker 1: anything else, but she just like, I mean, all three plastics,

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Speaker 1: and I don't we were talking about this. I don't

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Speaker 1: like Amanda Seaford that much, or Cyfred. I never like

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Speaker 1: her in anything becau so I forget it's her because

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Speaker 1: I like it. She was in the Mamma Mia musical movie,

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Speaker 1: which was am absolute well. I mean it's not a

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Speaker 1: great musical, but like it's like, yeah, it's a bad, bad,

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Speaker 1: bad movie. And then uh whoa uh Lacey Shabert Eliza

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Speaker 1: Thorny the born Berry as a Gretchen Wieners. She Gretchen

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Speaker 1: is my favorite plastic mine too. I think if they're

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Speaker 1: Gretchen is the closest I could get to connecting with

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Speaker 1: a plastic of she is me too. She's showing up

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Speaker 1: for the Jewish American princesses. She like well because she's

679
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Speaker 1: like she is a subordinate, but she's also just as

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Speaker 1: smart as her boss as it were. And I man,

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Speaker 1: I just I have a real soft spot for Gretchen Winers,

682
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Speaker 1: especially when she does that speech about Julius, Caesar and Brutus.

683
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Speaker 1: That is where I come closest to feeling for her

684
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Speaker 1: of like, oh, she just really wants but also that's

685
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: the makings of a monster if you give that person power.

686
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: But she never gets it because it goes to Lindy Lewen. Yeah,

687
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 1: and really good in this movie. This is like this,

688
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: and then she's Freaky Friday kind of in the same year,

689
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Speaker 1: and then passions of a teenage drama Queen. We start

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Speaker 1: to right yea, then we start to lose her and

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Speaker 1: be fully loaded. She's gone. The Canyons is next. Um, wait,

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Speaker 1: was that it's the movie she did with James Dan

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Speaker 1: like three years ago, the porn star. Wait, I was

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Speaker 1: also a rapist. Yeah, it's like he's not a thing anymore.

695
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Speaker 1: He's a bad person. She did this movie, and uh,

696
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Speaker 1: the article that was maybe it was in the New Yorker,

697
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but a really fascinating article by somebody

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Speaker 1: who basically like hung out on set and like watched

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Speaker 1: this travesty unfold and I do feel for Lindsay Lohan.

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Speaker 1: I think she's I feel very bad for her. She's

701
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Speaker 1: a casualty because she was delightful in a lot of

702
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Speaker 1: these Uh. I thought she was very very delightful in

703
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: this movie. She's talented. And and also I think that

704
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Speaker 1: this is a and and this has nothing to do

705
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Speaker 1: with feminism. However, so many people shine in their roles

706
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Speaker 1: that you don't usually see them shining, and it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: this movie is very well written beause there are so

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Speaker 1: many actors that I'm very underwhelmed bying any other movie

709
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Speaker 1: who I just this part is written perfectly for them.

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Speaker 1: And then there's Amy Poehler who's just starting, Amy Poller,

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Speaker 1: just starting to peak. Thirty Rock hadn't happened, Parking Wreck

712
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 1: hadn't happened. She's still on SNL at this point, I think, yeah,

713
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: still in us now. And Tim Meadows is the best

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Speaker 1: part of the whole movie. His jokes, I think are

715
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Speaker 1: the best. When he's like, oh, keep your hair all night.

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Speaker 1: We can't keep him here past four. I'll keep you

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Speaker 1: DJ So I'm not going to do that and like, perfect,

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Speaker 1: you don't have to give a speech. Most people just

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Speaker 1: take the crown and walk off stage. Also, um, just

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Speaker 1: to objectify a man as great topless Tim meadows seen

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Speaker 1: or maybe it's well I think it felt it's close enough.

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Speaker 1: His arms. Yeah, he's totally built for a comedian. He's tone. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm just like what, he's a toned man. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to because he's a comedian, but um, don't tell him.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully he says that way forever. Good looking guy, good

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Speaker 1: looking man. Yeah. No, we're not passing the back told time.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to Tim. Listen. Sometimes you've got to be

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Speaker 1: a fun fact about the Chippendales. What can I say?

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Speaker 1: It really clean? Okay, So, first of all, friend of

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Speaker 1: the cast, Sophia ben wat I love Sophia. She's the best,

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742
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Speaker 1: long ago and was regaling me about all the amazing stunts.

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Speaker 1: And I would god, I would love to see the

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Speaker 1: chippen nils life first of all. Second of all, to

745
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Speaker 1: the inventor of the Chippendales, there was oh god, I

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Speaker 1: can't remember her name off the top of my head,

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Speaker 1: murdered playboy model. Um. I used to work at Playboys,

748
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Speaker 1: so I knew a lot about this woman, whose name

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Speaker 1: I cannot currently remember. She's twenty years old when she

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Speaker 1: was murdered. Uh she uh was in a bunch of

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Speaker 1: Bogdanovich movies, or in at least one Dorothy Stratton Dorothy

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Speaker 1: Stratton shed It's an amazing it's a fascinating story. My

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Speaker 1: favorite podcast. You must remember this just did a really

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Speaker 1: good love You must remember this. Yeah, she's the season

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Speaker 1: finale of their Dead Blonde season. Anyways, she was murdered

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Speaker 1: by her husband, who knew he was losing her to

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Speaker 1: Peter Bogdanovitch. In any case, her husband also invented the

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Speaker 1: chippen nails. You know, he died in the murder suicide

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Speaker 1: and it was a horrible, horrible, horrible person. And it

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Speaker 1: came out later that he had invented the Chippendales and

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00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: never gotten any credit for it. I would just like

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Speaker 1: to say that my favorite podcast is the Bechtel Cast,

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Speaker 1: and sorry you must remember this is a very good

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Speaker 1: Malina Shadow, love a good Melina, beefcake, beef cake. Look,

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Speaker 1: watch him. What were talking? Oh, so that's what I

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Speaker 1: know about the Chipendales. Why were we talking about the

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Speaker 1: tim Let Meadows being kind of belt and object buying men. Wow,

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Speaker 1: six degree is a really talking about male Strippers. I'd

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Speaker 1: like to shout out one of my top favorite movies

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Speaker 1: of all time, The Full Monty Oh Well. That was

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00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: a musical too, starring Patrick Well. I actually saw, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I saw like the off Broadway version of it in

782
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Speaker 1: State College, Pennsylvania, where I did go to college to

783
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Speaker 1: get one of my two degrees in films. Oh my god,

784
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Speaker 1: I hate bringing it up. I really don't like to

785
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Speaker 1: be the one to mention that I do have a

786
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: master's degree in screenwriting. But um, you know, sometimes someone

787
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Speaker 1: just so you're like the most qualified person to talk

788
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Speaker 1: about this movie. Absolutely not, no, you are, I have

789
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Speaker 1: I have, Well, we haven't. We never do our degree

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Speaker 1: check in anymore. But I still I still just have

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Speaker 1: people favorite podcasts and radio the people degree in public radio. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I went to Everton and they let you do that there.

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Speaker 1: That's very cool. It was fun. Yeah. I didn't end

794
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Speaker 1: up actually doing it, but it was fun. I have

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Speaker 1: not not to It's not not two degrees. Has anyone

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Speaker 1: seen Hard Candy with Patrick Wilson. Yes, I love that movie.

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Speaker 1: So I saw that movie for the first time, We're hard,

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Speaker 1: Dad watch yeah, because Patrick Wilson gets castraight on like

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Speaker 1: it's that's why it's hard to watch. She's also a pedophile.

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Speaker 1: He's a pedophile, but also Ellen Page. I never I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I think because I haven't ely big crushed

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Speaker 1: on Ellen Page and like I did, like we I

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Speaker 1: don't know how old she isn't that that movie, but

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Speaker 1: there's in life. She'd just remember being fucking like floored

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Speaker 1: by my She's cut off his deck and my dad

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Speaker 1: sitting right there. This is why did your dad take

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Speaker 1: you to see Hard Candy? We watched it together on

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Speaker 1: i f C. Why I don't know. I do not know.

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Speaker 1: I could not tell you. First of all, shout at

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Speaker 1: the DIFC. Second, why did you guys screen this? When

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Speaker 1: Jay made her dad, I think I like walked in on.

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Speaker 1: My dad went through real indie film phase, which I

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Speaker 1: think was he was just like this is where they

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Speaker 1: show breast on TOPI. My dad's only ever gone through

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Speaker 1: a James Bond phase, and there was about racing. My

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Speaker 1: dad likes movies about race cars, race cars, my dad,

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Speaker 1: and my dad writes about race cars. He contains multitudes. Really,

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Speaker 1: my dad that's my dad, like hobby, he's really really

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Speaker 1: drive race cars yet. My my dad, he used to

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Speaker 1: cover professional race car driving in New Hampshire, So I

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Speaker 1: I forget what her name was, but there was a

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Speaker 1: female truck driver who don't think ever was a very famous,

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Speaker 1: because she was like this badass female pickup truck driver

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Speaker 1: and we go and I'd be loud and I'd be scared,

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Speaker 1: would be exciting. That's awesome. Did you know one woman

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Speaker 1: in trucks? Raymond Bork kissed me? You know somebody named Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's a famous hockey player in the Boston Bruins. He's

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Speaker 1: a legend. That's how I would name a hockey player.

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Speaker 1: A sketch, right, Raymond Bork. And then once when I

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Speaker 1: little baby forehead. And then my dad was like that

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Speaker 1: borke tism my borkedism. Oh shout out to New England

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Speaker 1: hockey fans and yes, what are we talking about? Was

842
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 1: the podcast Who Knows Anymore? I'm enjoying myself Mike's Harder, Harder,

843
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: very sober right now. But in regards to I do

844
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: like that they plant the idea in young women with

845
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: this script that no one is just ever pure evil,

846
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: and Regina George is given some depth as to yes,

847
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: she is horrible and we see her do all this

848
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: horrible stuff, but then you see her home life and

849
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,439
Speaker 1: you see I don't know, like when when I saw

850
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: this movie for the first time, the idea that a

851
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: popular girl had insecurities was something that had truly never

852
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: occurred to me. Um so in in that way, I

853
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: think that that was I think a positive thing for me.

854
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: Of it doesn't justify the behavior in any way, but

855
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: it also is just like, well, everyone has their thinks

856
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 1: that that they're concerned about, and no one is as

857
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: perfect as they whatever. Sure, I like that the main

858
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: female characters outnumbered the main male characters because if you're

859
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: considering all those people, yeah, I mean between Katie, Janice, Regina, Gretchen,

860
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: Karen and then likes Kevin Barry, we'll throw in there.

861
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: Those are like the main women, and then of the

862
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: and then you've also got like Regina's mom and Katie's mom,

863
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: and then of the main male characters who have the

864
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: most screen time, it's really only Damien and Aaron, Samuel's

865
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: a little bit Kevin, You've got yeah, and Shane omen principle,

866
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: Coach Car the principle, but those are all more secondary

867
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: or tertiary characters. So like we should say, Coach Car

868
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 1: is we're we're too some uhh um, which is hard

869
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,479
Speaker 1: because they you know, they do not call that out.

870
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: And and that's like a weird little subplot that is

871
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 1: like we are saying, like there's a there's a lifetime

872
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: movie going on here, like where it's both racist and

873
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: excusing a pedophile. That is one of the things that

874
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: bothers me more about this movie, as these two characters

875
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: they're basically treated as the same character, and they don't

876
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: really speak English, so we never know, and they're just

877
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: like caddy girls who are being you know, manipulated by

878
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: the same pedophile, which is gross to me because something

879
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: like that happened in my high school by my middle

880
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: school track coach. Uh. Fortunately, I was a little bit

881
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: too young to be his type. But it's but yeah,

882
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: like it's somebody like that too. I don't know. Like

883
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: the way that that very very tiny storyline is handled,

884
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: it feels like normalizing that in a way that like

885
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: that's never resolved, and it's almost like, you know, the

886
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 1: coach looks silly, like I've been caught, but the girls

887
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: look silly too, and it's like, no, they're they're they're

888
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: the victims of this grown man who is the really

889
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: funny scene about don't have sex, but they're like the

890
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: hilarious irony where he's the guy who's like, never have

891
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: sex or he'll die, and he's so that is That's

892
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: one of maybe my least favorite part of this movie,

893
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: because at least most of the storylines are problematic but

894
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: at least handled with a fair amount of humor and irony,

895
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: but that one is pretty much just used as a joke.

896
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: Down to the Tip Meadows line of like step away

897
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: from the teenage girls coach car and it's just like

898
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: he's a rapist. Yep, they're is that? So throughout this

899
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: we're given the back story that Janice Ian was teased

900
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: and she's constantly being called a lesbian and a dike

901
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, and then her moment of redemption

902
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: is when she's standing in the gym scene where she's like,

903
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: I guess it's because I have a big lesbian crush

904
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: on you. So that where at lands as being a

905
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: lesbian is still like not good. And Janice it turns

906
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: out which you know, is not I think she is

907
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: not a lesbian or she's you know, we were never

908
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: given the exact story, but the way, the way that

909
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: subject is left is she treats being called a lesbian

910
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: very sarcastic, and it's an insult. The way it's because

911
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: every time Damien's like, oh, this is why she hates

912
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: Regina George so much, because she spread this rumor and

913
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: eighth great about and then she's like, dude, no, don't

914
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: say it. Like yeah, the idea of like anyone might

915
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: thinking that she is a lesbian is horrifying administration where

916
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: that truly could have Yeah, it made people social, It

917
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: made me a social pariah briefly of like wait you yeah,

918
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's it's bad. It's bad. It doesn'tyone

919
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: have any final thoughts about the movie. I still like it.

920
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 1: I know that it has an h well in all respects,

921
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: but m I still like it. It's still entertaining. Does

922
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: the best bactal test does it does? Sure, there are

923
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 1: a lot of scenes where women are talking about a

924
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: man um, but there's a lot of scenes where they're

925
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: not um. Janis and Katie talk about other women that

926
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: you talk about. The plastics a lot, talk about Regina

927
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: George a lot they talk about. But then they also

928
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: talk about like friendship and and you know, things like that.

929
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: Katie and ms Norberry talk about math. The plastics talk

930
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: to it almost it sounds almost like a jokey passive effect.

931
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: The plastics to each other about you know, clothes, about

932
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: their bodies and how they're ashamed of them to some degree,

933
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: things like that. So plenty of scenes where the movie

934
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: passes a Bucto test. So hey, that's cool. Um, we

935
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: can rate the movie on our nipples scale. Let's do it.

936
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: We have a scale zero to five nipples where we

937
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: write the movie based on his portrayal of women. I'm

938
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: gonna give it. I'm gonna give it three and a

939
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:23,439
Speaker 1: half nipples for the reason that I think that it's

940
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: a you know, it is not the fairness Bible. It's

941
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: a good place to start for young girls, particularly girls

942
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: growing up at this very specific time. I think that

943
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: it started a lot of important conversations, even though it

944
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 1: didn't handle everything perfectly, just seeing uh, major Hollywood movie

945
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: with mostly female leads is important. Does not do great

946
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: with race. This is not a very diverse movie. It

947
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 1: certainly has its shortcomings, but most of but by and large,

948
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: for your your average teenage girl, I think it is

949
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: a good place to start, and it is a good

950
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: movie to be in the el. And it also makes

951
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: me laugh a lot. Um. So I'll give a three

952
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: and a half nipples. Two of them belong to Miss Norbury,

953
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 1: one belongs to Tom Meadows, the one you can see

954
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: poking through Jim scene, and then the last half belongs

955
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 1: to an a gas Her because I love her. Yeah,

956
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: I don't get to see her enough movies. So I

957
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: think I gonna I'll go, I'll skew down a bit,

958
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: and I'll give it three nipples because while they all

959
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: sort of redeem themselves at the end, it's just a

960
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: movie of like ninety minutes of You're a slut, You're

961
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: a horror, I'm a horror we're all shitty and you're

962
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: a bitch and I'm a bit and spitches and just

963
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: like a lot of just women mistreating each other. And

964
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: I know the point of the movies to be like,

965
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: don't be like this, but I don't know. I think

966
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: if this movie was remade or a similar movie was

967
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: made today, I would hope that it handles a lot

968
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: of the things that this movie does not handle well.

969
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: I would hope that it handles those things better. So, hey,

970
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to that movie. Maybe I'll write it.

971
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll use my master's a green screenwriting for good

972
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: for once in I use it for life. You use

973
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: it for good all the time. Thing every time we

974
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: turn on the mic, and every time we open a

975
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: MIC's hard. And so yeah, three nipples, um, Two of

976
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: them belong to Aaron Samuel, who I looked up on

977
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: Twitter and I was like, man, this guy is still cute,

978
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: so good for him. He seemed he seemed like a lifer. Uh.

979
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: And then the third nipple I'm gonna give to Damien

980
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,439
Speaker 1: because I love Damien. I like, oh, I will say

981
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: that I liked that he and Jane's wear the same

982
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: like purple tuxedo. I like that she's sort of subverb. Yeah,

983
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: you know, the typical I'm a woman, I have to

984
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: wear a dress. No, she's gonna wear a tuxedo. I

985
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: also just laugh man, when Damian sings beautiful A great moment,

986
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: he held the shoe back with them, and then it

987
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: gets to get a shoot thrown at him, and then

988
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: that he whales it right back at the guy. Well.

989
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: The other thing I like about this movie that I

990
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: noticed is that, um, the reason they moved from Africa

991
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: to Evanston is that it's her mom who gets a

992
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 1: tenure at Northwestern, not her dad. Her mom. I forgot

993
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: that detail very quick. Easy and Beta Males. Yeah, yeah,

994
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: Katie's dad was with that grandmon podcast called Talking Beta

995
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: Males where toilways two women and there's a man sitting

996
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 1: there but he doesn't talk, but or he's a lad

997
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: but he can barely talk. Yeah right, and you're just like,

998
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: you may know, totally fine, work did it. We'll just

999
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: keep going you turn hang in. Yeah, that's our podcast.

1000
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: Whenever we have a male guest, we only allowed them

1001
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,399
Speaker 1: to speak whenever we removed the muzzle from their face.

1002
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: Very steampunky kind of muzzle. Yeah. No, Okay, Oh, just

1003
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:59,240
Speaker 1: episode reminder steampunk. No, no, no steampunk. We don't tolerate

1004
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: steampunk here. Yeah, the final prejudice stands no step punk. Jenny,

1005
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: would you like to write the movie? Well, the thing

1006
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: is like, I really like, I don't think I can

1007
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 1: be objective in any way. I love this movie. And

1008
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: it's like, it's also like we didn't even talk about

1009
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: what kind of a cultural touchstone in Spain as far

1010
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: as like Mean Girls quotes like characteristic main factory and uh,

1011
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: here's what I'll say. I don't know that this is

1012
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: a great portrayal of women, but I think that this

1013
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: is a great portrayal of white, wealthy, suburban teenagers in

1014
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: the Bush era. This is a very faithful portrayal of

1015
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: that specific kind of woman. If we see so much

1016
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,479
Speaker 1: of that, if we're just talking about that, then it's

1017
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: five stars or five nipples, were not like two nipples.

1018
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,919
Speaker 1: And that's all I think this movie is. But yeah,

1019
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 1: it is not diverse. It is not particularly sensitive about

1020
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: women's issues. But it you know, we've over a decade

1021
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: of other movies that have been made because and in

1022
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: the wake of Mean Girls, and we have over a

1023
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: decade of feminist media that's been made kind of in

1024
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: the wake of Mean Girls. This was at the time

1025
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: a really important and groundbreaking movie because we did start,

1026
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: I feel like, having conversations about like the genuine, complicated

1027
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: feelings of teenage girls. That was like the context we

1028
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: were brought into the movie of like starting a discussion

1029
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: with teenagers and their like no matter, because there were

1030
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: a lot of teenage movies before that, but I think

1031
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: a lot of them were like dude trying to fuck

1032
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: in high school, and like there just wasn't a lot

1033
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: of movies about like girl on girl bullying. Un told

1034
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: this movie like that did seem like Heathers was the

1035
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: other one, But Heathers has a whole other set of

1036
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: things going on. Heathers is very unrealistic, and I felt

1037
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: like Mean Girls was kind of a movie that did

1038
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: more to me. I feel like I feel like the

1039
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: generation after us, we'll be able to see mean girls

1040
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: clearly and have more weren't the way that I feel

1041
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: able to separate myself from Heather's. Someone in generation after

1042
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: me will be able to separate themselves from mean girls.

1043
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's like too it's too embedded in. I

1044
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: feel kind of that way about Clueless too, where it's like,

1045
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure if I could step back from it, I'd

1046
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: find things to dislike. But as it is, I think

1047
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: it's um right, a literally perfect film. Blue This is

1048
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: literally perfect. Hey, listen to that episode of ours. Had

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Speaker 1: you guys not already done it? That thousands? Because I

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Speaker 1: can recite that movie and that's that's yeah. I know

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Speaker 1: what you're thinking is it's like an axiom, a commercial

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Speaker 1: or wet But I actually have a way normal life

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Speaker 1: for I mean, I get up and I pick on

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Speaker 1: my school clothes. Dad is a litigator that keep it rolling.

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Speaker 1: Even Lucy I made is terrified of him. He gets

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Speaker 1: paid five an hour dollars an hour to fight with people,

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Speaker 1: but he fights for me, with me for free because

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Speaker 1: I'm his daughter. That sounds rights right. Caitlin can do

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Speaker 1: that with Pirates of the Caribbean embarrassed to him. I

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Speaker 1: can do that with probably fifteen different movies, Back to

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Speaker 1: the Future being one of them, with the Robert Durst documentary. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's fucking amazing. People don't like you when you shave

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Speaker 1: your eyebrows, you look weird. End of episode. Well, we're

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Speaker 1: all friends now, and we're not mean girls to each other.

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Speaker 1: We're nice. You guys are. Maybe it's because we're all

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Speaker 1: in our twenties, all of us, not none of us

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Speaker 1: are about to be thirty one. It's just we're all.

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Speaker 1: Caitlin's triggering herself. You're going to be okay. No. I

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Speaker 1: actually am very proud to be almost thirty one because

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Speaker 1: as a woman of advancing years, I feel great about it.

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Speaker 1: You're a woman of advancing, You're you're a badass person

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Speaker 1: and you're great. Thank you need to call yourself advancing.

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Speaker 1: I mean they're advancing. You are. I mean you're advancing,

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Speaker 1: and we're all advancing. We're all advancing in our in

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Speaker 1: our ways. I'm fourteen years old and I feel great

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Speaker 1: about it. You're doing so well for fourteen, So excited

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Speaker 1: to before. Thank you so much for being here. Anything

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Speaker 1: we'd like to plug or is or we find just

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Speaker 1: follow me on Twitter at Jenny Jaffee. Perfect. Well, thank you,