WEBVTT - Facetiming on Myspace with Chelsea & Catherine

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, Katherine, Oh Hi Chelsea, Oh hello, what's up? Greetings

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<v Speaker 1>from Whistler. It's very white. There's a white, white winter wonderland.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually it's not really a winter wonderland. We've had kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a low snow season. Although I am heading out

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<v Speaker 1>today leaving for a week, and now they're expecting about

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<v Speaker 1>a foot of snow. So hopefully when our return will

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<v Speaker 1>be in better shape. Because you know, I have to

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<v Speaker 1>film my ski video. Oh right, your birthday, ay ski video.

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<v Speaker 1>So we were going to do it last week because

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<v Speaker 1>I had my social media team come up for a

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<v Speaker 1>little sabbatical. They came up here and where I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh great, I said to Ricardo and Mina, who run

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<v Speaker 1>the company. It's called Crispy Chicken. That's what attracted me

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<v Speaker 1>to it. I'm trying still trying to get them to

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<v Speaker 1>change the name to Krispy Chicken Nuggets, but they're not

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<v Speaker 1>really biting on that one. Anyway, I had them come up.

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<v Speaker 1>The three of them came up and we were gonna

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<v Speaker 1>shoot my video and I was like, how proficient are

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<v Speaker 1>you guys on snowboards because I will need your help.

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<v Speaker 1>We I mean, we got to step it up this year.

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<v Speaker 1>We need a drone, I need a different backdrop. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to ski through the trees. So we're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>coordinate all this, and I said, how proficient are you

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like, well, you know, we're not advanced or anything,

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<v Speaker 1>but we can both, you know, film you on snowboards.

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<v Speaker 1>And I would like to say that, No, they could not.

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<v Speaker 1>I took them out skiing. Thank god, I did not

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<v Speaker 1>try to film this with them. They I mean, Mina

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<v Speaker 1>is a little bit better, but Ricardo. I was like, Ricardo,

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<v Speaker 1>how often do you snowboard? He's like once a year.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, do you understand what we're dealing with here?

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<v Speaker 1>Someone skiing backwards and filming me or snowboarding back through

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<v Speaker 1>the tree or retreat. Well, I mean, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how realistic that's going to be. So we'll see if

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<v Speaker 1>I even conquer that, because we're gonna need a few

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<v Speaker 1>camera men. But I'm in Whistler, so there's tons of

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<v Speaker 1>people here that can film skiing for years obviously, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so I just have to find the right people. Yeah. I,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, love Ricardo and Mina. They're fantastic. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're really really awesome, and we had a great time

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<v Speaker 1>we went to the zip lining, we went to the

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<v Speaker 1>BA Well, I dropped them off. I was like their

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<v Speaker 1>mama bear. I felt like I was shuttling my kids

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<v Speaker 1>around from carpool, you know. I would drop them off

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<v Speaker 1>at school and they picked them up three hours later.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, bye, guys. Then I dropped them off at

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<v Speaker 1>the grocery store so they could get all the Canadian

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<v Speaker 1>snacks to bring back, and then I'd picked them up

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<v Speaker 1>and then they'd get in the car and it just

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<v Speaker 1>would wreak of weed. I'm like, what is that smell? Anyway?

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<v Speaker 1>So that's been happening up here. Just I love having

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<v Speaker 1>people shuttle in and out of my little my ski chalet.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so fun. I know, Chelsea, can you settle a

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<v Speaker 1>marital argument for me? Really good? O? Yeah, I'd love to. So.

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<v Speaker 1>Our bedroom, we're having some work done on the garage,

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<v Speaker 1>was just right near our bedroom and our bad you

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<v Speaker 1>turning it into what are you turning into Brad's man cave? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>in addition to podcasting where it happens to be a

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<v Speaker 1>drummer and musician, So we're turning it into his music studio.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh music studio. Okay, that's bad in a man cave, Brad, Yeah, indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>he can be a lot louder in there. Meanwhile, I

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<v Speaker 1>just want to go out and say that my whole

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<v Speaker 1>life is a man cavel. I want to do is

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<v Speaker 1>be in my bed smoking weed and watching TV. So

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<v Speaker 1>I might as well have a man cave as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. You just need a lazy boy, that's

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<v Speaker 1>all you need in there. But so, it smelled weirdly

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<v Speaker 1>like pine in our bedroom for the last couple of weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>and we can't figure out why. But I think it

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<v Speaker 1>kind of smells like weed. And in my opinion, weed

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<v Speaker 1>smells a little bit like pine needles. But my loving

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<v Speaker 1>husband thinks that that is absolutely ridiculous. It's skunky. Weed

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<v Speaker 1>is skunky. That's why they call it skunky weed. Right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>not all weed is skunk. I mean, there's me that's

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<v Speaker 1>not skunky. So I think that you're right, Catherine, as usual,

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<v Speaker 1>that there can be a pine smell. For sure, when

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<v Speaker 1>I walk into my house, it is an overwhelming smell

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<v Speaker 1>of cannabis. My friend's daughter came over the other day

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<v Speaker 1>and she goes, she's seven, She goes, what's that smell?

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<v Speaker 1>I go, don't worry about it. You'll know when you're older. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're about to find out. But yeah, I think something

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<v Speaker 1>we can definitely smell like pine. Are you trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of the smell or do you like the smell? No?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's it's a pleasant smell. But we're just like,

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<v Speaker 1>why suddenly does this smell like pine? We can't figure

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<v Speaker 1>it out. So and neither of us are stashing weed

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<v Speaker 1>in the bedroom. But I think it smells like weed,

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<v Speaker 1>And well, why don't you start stashing weed? And then

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<v Speaker 1>that will overwhelm the pine smell, and then that will

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<v Speaker 1>create more symbiosis in your perfect more symbiosis and synergy. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for settling that argument. And I am so

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<v Speaker 1>glad that I won. Brad, how do you feel about

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<v Speaker 1>that outcome? I'm crushed. Okay, my life is a lie. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is, by the way, is something we've been discussing

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<v Speaker 1>for like a decade. He's like, we doesn't smell like pine. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't always smell like skunks, but in this instance,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it smells like weed. And it smells like

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<v Speaker 1>skunky weed. Oh it doesn't. You don't smell pine? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I see, I see. Well it's interesting to me

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<v Speaker 1>that you're arguing about this, but yet the hard boiled

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<v Speaker 1>eggs weren't an issue for you at all. Brad Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I gotta turn a blind eye to some Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's interesting where you pick your battles. Well, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that's marriage right there. You got to pick your battles

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<v Speaker 1>where you can. Exactly so chealously, I wanted to ask

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<v Speaker 1>you some thoughts about making friends as an adult. I

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<v Speaker 1>find when I meet somebody that I really like and

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<v Speaker 1>I want to hang out with them more, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent sure how to go about that, how

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<v Speaker 1>to feel out if they're as into me as I

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<v Speaker 1>am into them. What are your thoughts? How do you

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<v Speaker 1>do it? Oh? That's so funny. I mean I'm always

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<v Speaker 1>making friends as an adult, and you're also constantly meeting

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<v Speaker 1>new people. Yeah, I guess I'm lucky that way because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always bouncing around to different places, so I get

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<v Speaker 1>to meet new people. I feel like it's a mutual connection.

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<v Speaker 1>When you have chemistry, it's kind of undeniable. So likely

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<v Speaker 1>if you're feeling something or like an attraction towards a

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<v Speaker 1>person that you want to just like, spend more time

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<v Speaker 1>with or hang out with in a non sexual way.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty easy. It's usually reciprocated. I find yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like if someone's texting me going when are we going

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<v Speaker 1>to hang out, I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>the same way. So I just don't feel like who

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<v Speaker 1>cares about rules as an adult, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's not like you're a kid and you're so

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<v Speaker 1>self conscious and thinking about what other people think of you.

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<v Speaker 1>Or maybe you are self conscious, but even so, it's

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<v Speaker 1>good to extend invitations and broaden your horizons always, Like

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<v Speaker 1>that's always a good idea to make sure you're keeping

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<v Speaker 1>everything fresh and making new acquaintances as well as friends.

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<v Speaker 1>You never know what anyone's going to bring to the table.

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<v Speaker 1>So I always like to hang out with new people

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. I'm always interested in a different perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And I think a good thing to remember is,

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<v Speaker 1>like we've talked about this a lot, that all relationships

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<v Speaker 1>don't last forever. You know, a lot of relationships and

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of new people come into your life

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<v Speaker 1>for a reason as well, So you should be open

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<v Speaker 1>to that aspect of things of like, oh, this might

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<v Speaker 1>be somebody that I'm supposed to know, are supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be friends with, and could be somebody that you're supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be friends with for the rest of your life.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't think there's any shame in reaching out

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<v Speaker 1>and being like, hey, you want to hang out, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>into you or whatever. You know what's sad into you,

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<v Speaker 1>But you can say yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't want

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<v Speaker 1>people to think they're walking into a thruble situation. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's how we caught you. That's how I feel sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>when couples are trying to hang out with me and

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<v Speaker 1>my back ut up back, it's a duck up, get

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<v Speaker 1>away from me. I know what you're up to. I

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<v Speaker 1>once had two friends come over so funny. I was

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<v Speaker 1>leaving Reese Witherspoon's Christmas party years ago, and my friend

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<v Speaker 1>and her husband drove me home and then I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>do you guys want to come in for a drink?

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<v Speaker 1>And they came in. It was actually my friend Kate

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<v Speaker 1>and her ex husband, and they came in and they're

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<v Speaker 1>sitting at my kitchen counter and I made them cocktails

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<v Speaker 1>and then I said, just so you guys know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not hooking up, and they both looked at each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Like what, And I was like, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>you guys are into, but I'm not into it. And

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<v Speaker 1>we've been friends ever, so gosh. We had a similar

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<v Speaker 1>experience with a couple of friends of ours, and Brad

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<v Speaker 1>had been hanging out with this guy. They were in

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<v Speaker 1>a band together. I had met him a few times

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<v Speaker 1>because he bartended. We just hit it off from the

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<v Speaker 1>very beginning. Absolutely love this guy. We were in the

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<v Speaker 1>car together, the three of us, and we were going

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<v Speaker 1>to meet his wife, and I think I met her

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<v Speaker 1>once or twice, but you know, it was early stages,

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<v Speaker 1>and I made some joke about, oh, well, you know

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<v Speaker 1>this is the point where we ask you guys to

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<v Speaker 1>hook up with us or whatever, and he thought I

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<v Speaker 1>was serious and just the back seat of the car

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<v Speaker 1>win deadly. That's horrible, like five seconds and I was like, Matt,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm joking. And then he was like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank goodness, because I was really enjoying hanging out with

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, and that was about to be over. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I hate having to say I'm joking, though, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's an la thing, like a good barometer

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<v Speaker 1>or measure of somebody who's worthy of hanging out with

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<v Speaker 1>a somebody who also knows that that's a joke. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that takes it seriously. No offense to your friend. You

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<v Speaker 1>a new friend, that's okay. We still are very good

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<v Speaker 1>friends with them to this day. That was like a

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<v Speaker 1>decade ago, so you know that's great advice. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much. Just to close it out, what's your go

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<v Speaker 1>to friend date when you're first meeting someone. Is it

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<v Speaker 1>let's grab dinner? Is it come over? What's your go

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<v Speaker 1>to I mean I recently made a new friend because

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<v Speaker 1>my neighbor called me. I think I talked about this.

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<v Speaker 1>My neighbor that I'm moved building a house next to

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<v Speaker 1>you got in touch with me and was like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited that you're moving next to me. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to we're going to be best friends. He's a

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<v Speaker 1>gay guy, obviously, and he's like, I loved to party,

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<v Speaker 1>I love everything you represent. I can't wait for us

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<v Speaker 1>to be neighbors. We're going to build a funicular behind

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<v Speaker 1>our houses to meet, or a zip line or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, oh, that's so fun. And we

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<v Speaker 1>were trying to hang out. We couldn't make it work.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I was in Sundance skiing in Park City,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was at Sundance at the festival and then

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<v Speaker 1>we met. We met up there and we had a

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<v Speaker 1>drink together. I think a drink, A drink is a

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<v Speaker 1>good or a coffee, like if you're into coffee. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really drink coffee. So whenever people suggest that, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like whatever, that's life of meeting. Like I have business

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<v Speaker 1>meetings over coffee, you know, where I pretend and to

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<v Speaker 1>drink coffee or I have hot tea or who knows.

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<v Speaker 1>I never know what to get at a coffee place. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, Starbucks has those not to plug anything,

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<v Speaker 1>but Starbucks has those like refreshers that are like lightly sweet,

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<v Speaker 1>they're fruity, and they have a little tina bit of caffeine.

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<v Speaker 1>I like those when I'm not into coffee. Oh they

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<v Speaker 1>have caffeine. I like anything with caffeine. Yeah, it's got

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<v Speaker 1>a little caffeine. I think it's like maybe as much

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<v Speaker 1>as a cup of tea, or maybe it is a

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<v Speaker 1>cup of coffee. I don't know. You can ask them

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<v Speaker 1>about I love Thank you for that. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>that recommendation, Catherine. That is meaningful. So how is your

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<v Speaker 1>house going? I was actually wondering about this morning. Who

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<v Speaker 1>knows what the hell's happening with my house? I can't

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<v Speaker 1>even This is a perfect example of my impulsivity. I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to get my family out of my house, so

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<v Speaker 1>I had to send them a strong message. I put

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<v Speaker 1>the house on the market, and now I have been

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<v Speaker 1>homeless for two Yeah, and I've been in a rental.

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<v Speaker 1>So oh, I have some other sad news to announce. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>oh no, okay, I haven't publicly announced it because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel like it. But Bert is no longer with us.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. I'm so sorry to hear that thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, my poor little baby. He's so sweet. But

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<v Speaker 1>Bernice is still with us, who knows for how long,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm gonna have to get her a little companion soon. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>So my baby boy is gone. Oh, I'm so sorry

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<v Speaker 1>to hear a thing thank you. He was such a

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<v Speaker 1>sweet Oh he was so robust when I got him,

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<v Speaker 1>and watching him kind of fall apart or deteriorate, it

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<v Speaker 1>was so like, oh, it's heartbreaking. But you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like about dogs. I just feel like you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta pivot that love because you give out so much

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<v Speaker 1>love to them, and when you lose a dog, it's

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<v Speaker 1>such an easy transfer of love to find another dog

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<v Speaker 1>and give another dog a home and then give Bernice

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<v Speaker 1>another little someone to torture. And so I will be

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<v Speaker 1>doing that. I'll be on the hunt for a new

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<v Speaker 1>chow guys soon, Okay, well I will. I'm sure you

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<v Speaker 1>work at a lot of emails about this, so I

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<v Speaker 1>will send things along to you, guys. But yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so sorry. It's never easy. It's just never easy. I

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<v Speaker 1>know it's never easy. But you know what you have

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<v Speaker 1>to remember about dogs, It's like you gave them a life.

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<v Speaker 1>He was at rescue and he was in bad shape

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<v Speaker 1>when I got him, and then he was loved so hard,

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<v Speaker 1>yes by his birth mother bought Bell, but also by

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<v Speaker 1>me and all my friends. And he was just such

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<v Speaker 1>a lover. I mean, I've never had a dog that

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<v Speaker 1>would lie on me all night long. I just love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh what a good boy. Yeah, well, just snuggle Bernie

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<v Speaker 1>a little extra hard next time you see her. And

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<v Speaker 1>also I loved what Laurel and Jackson said is that

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to see them again one day. Well, Chelsea,

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<v Speaker 1>I do have a couple of updates, okay from callers

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<v Speaker 1>from previous episodes, So should we launch into those? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, fantastic. This one is from our dear friend

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<v Speaker 1>Braden Cantelope, who was our sweet Canadian friend. He was

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<v Speaker 1>in his early twenty and he was like, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to study fashion, but I'm background friends and family and

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<v Speaker 1>I want to move to London. So Braden says, Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>h Chelsea and Catherine, I hope you're both doing well.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just emailing to say, while it's been a year,

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<v Speaker 1>I've finally moved to London. Once my visa was sorted

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<v Speaker 1>in November, I booked my flights for January and here

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<v Speaker 1>I am. I've been here nearly a month now, moving

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<v Speaker 1>into my beautiful flat tomorrow. Honestly, your advice did help

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<v Speaker 1>give me the little kick in the ass I needed

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<v Speaker 1>to get over here, and boy, am I glad I did.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you both for everything, Braid and Cantelope. PS. I've

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<v Speaker 1>had a few viewers actually messaged me on my Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>to see if I made the move. Most recently, someone

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<v Speaker 1>messaged me just the other day and said they're so

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<v Speaker 1>happy to see I made the move. How lovely of people.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's so sweet. I love our little community who

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<v Speaker 1>would have sunk it? You know what I mean? Seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just lovely. I used to just be a bitch

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<v Speaker 1>on the E network, and now look at the wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>work we're doing. Yes, I even had a maybe love

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<v Speaker 1>connection the other day. Someone had listened to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>someone who was single and said, hey, can you send

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<v Speaker 1>her my Instagram? So I did. We'll see a straight

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<v Speaker 1>guy apparently, or at least sometimes straight. Yeah, we should

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<v Speaker 1>look into doing some sort of like matchmaking episode because

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<v Speaker 1>I really like to set people up and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>make people get together, force them. I love that. I

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<v Speaker 1>love that cool. And then our next follow up is

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<v Speaker 1>from Regina. She was the lesbian who was having an

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<v Speaker 1>affair with a married woman and she has this to say,

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<v Speaker 1>Dear Chelsea, I had a fucking fantastic ten day trip

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<v Speaker 1>to South America. Remember she was about to leave. That

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<v Speaker 1>started the day after we chatted. While I was gone,

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<v Speaker 1>I had close to zero communication with my lover slash coworker,

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<v Speaker 1>which is of course what we both needed. When I returned,

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<v Speaker 1>we amicably talked and agreed that the affair, both emotional

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<v Speaker 1>and physical, needed to stop. She has stated a few

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<v Speaker 1>times that she is quote going to tell her partner

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<v Speaker 1>the truth when she is ready, and who the fuck

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<v Speaker 1>knows when that will be. I could go into more

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<v Speaker 1>detail for you about how she's struggling with my new

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<v Speaker 1>lack of emotional investment in our relationship and my refusal

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<v Speaker 1>to be vulnerable with her anymore. I think that's great,

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<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't really matter. What does matter is talking

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<v Speaker 1>with you was the turning point in this seemingly endless

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<v Speaker 1>roundabout that I couldn't stop circling. So thank you so

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<v Speaker 1>fucking much for that. I wanted things to change without

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<v Speaker 1>having to make any changes. The feedback I got from

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<v Speaker 1>you and Natasha was the kick in the ass I needed. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm writing tonight to not only give you that brief update,

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<v Speaker 1>but also to ask one would be a good time

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<v Speaker 1>for us to get together so we can start our

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<v Speaker 1>own affair as per your proposal. I'm vaccinated in horny,

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<v Speaker 1>so let me know when works best for you. Kiss.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I have to start sleeping with my female callers.

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<v Speaker 1>Such a burden, tricky. First of all, vaccinated it in

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<v Speaker 1>Horny tour is over. We are starting a little big

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<v Speaker 1>bitch tour. Yeah okay, and we just added red Rocks

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's amazing. Yeah, we added Red Rocks. We added

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<v Speaker 1>there's a bunch of new dates that we added. So

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<v Speaker 1>check on Chelseahandler dot com for tickets for my new tour,

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<v Speaker 1>which is going to start in April. A little big bitch.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be so good. I've been writing all my

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<v Speaker 1>material while I'm writing a fucking book. I'm like Jesus,

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<v Speaker 1>I have too much to do. Too much writing. You

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<v Speaker 1>gotta be out there having more life experiences so you

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<v Speaker 1>have something to writing. I know, maybe I should sleep less,

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<v Speaker 1>watch Last TV and sleepless of smoke less pot. I'd

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<v Speaker 1>probably ben a lot more productive. But not always helps,

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<v Speaker 1>always help. I'm using this as downtime. Yeah, well, as

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<v Speaker 1>you're should. It's vacation time. But back to the matchmaking thing.

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<v Speaker 1>If anyone is wanting to be hooked up or match maked,

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<v Speaker 1>match made, anyone would be match maked, let us know

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<v Speaker 1>right in for that, because we will try and facilitate that.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you are a straight man and you are

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<v Speaker 1>listening and you are single, we can definitely help you

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<v Speaker 1>because the ratio of women to men listening to this

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<v Speaker 1>is very high. Yes, and right, matchmaking in the subject line,

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<v Speaker 1>so I know, and we'll see what we can do

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<v Speaker 1>for you. That's a good idea. I like that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we'll have to have a matchmaker on or somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who knows about relationships. We don't need a matchmaker. I

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<v Speaker 1>know what to do. Isn't it a mitzvah? If you

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<v Speaker 1>set up three couples who get married? Is it? I think? So?

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<v Speaker 1>I just set up a couple, one couple, a gay couple.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what's going to happen with them yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Or yeah, if you're a gay couple. I mean, gay

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<v Speaker 1>people want to be set up and they're all listening

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<v Speaker 1>to this, So that's that's a good idea to right

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<v Speaker 1>in for that. But also, you know, straight guys would

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<v Speaker 1>be nice to have some in the mix, unmarried straight guys,

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<v Speaker 1>as we learned last with your sisters. Oh yeah, unmarried. Please,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone who participates in this must be unmarried. We'll just

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<v Speaker 1>put it that way. Can you imagine? That's that's the

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<v Speaker 1>next headline, Chelsea Handler hooks up married woman with married man.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just Ashley Madison, Chelsea Madison, Chelsea, Chelsea, Christina Barcelona Chelsea.

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<v Speaker 1>Next up, we have a new segment that we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be doing calling in back up with Better Help.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to tell us a little bit more about that. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>So sometimes we get questions where I just don't feel

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<v Speaker 1>it's appropriate for me to be answering. And obviously I

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<v Speaker 1>joke about being a medical professional, but we know that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not. I have no certification or degree. I am

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<v Speaker 1>just really just spouting stuff straight out of my ass.

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<v Speaker 1>So we are doing this thing where we have Better

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<v Speaker 1>Health Therapists, which you know, they're a sponsor of the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>and they do great work. It's online therapy, Better Help,

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<v Speaker 1>it's affordable, all of it's so accessible for anybody who's

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<v Speaker 1>having trouble or going through something. So we decided to

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<v Speaker 1>work together in concert with them, and when we have

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<v Speaker 1>some questions that we don't feel like I could answer appropriately,

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<v Speaker 1>we are calling in somebody who is more skilled. And

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<v Speaker 1>with that, David Yaddish, licensed therapist and clinical operations manager

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<v Speaker 1>at Better Help, is going to join us in a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit great OC says dear Chelsea. I love listening

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<v Speaker 1>to your podcast, and I've noticed that you are a

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<v Speaker 1>big proponent of therapy, whether it's individual or couples therapy.

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<v Speaker 1>I come from Asia, where therapies very taboo, therapies looked

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<v Speaker 1>at as something is very wrong with you, or it's

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<v Speaker 1>also like how pathetic are you that you need therapy

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<v Speaker 1>and can't solve your own problems. I've had many issues

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<v Speaker 1>from my childhood, from my relationship with my mom, who

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<v Speaker 1>passed away when I was twenty five years old. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>forty three now, so my husband recommended that I do therapy.

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<v Speaker 1>I did it for a month or two despite my

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<v Speaker 1>cultural belief, and I was never able to be one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred percent open with the therapist. She did listen a

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<v Speaker 1>lot and complimented me a lot. To be honest, it

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<v Speaker 1>made me feel great. She then concluded that I was

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<v Speaker 1>totally fine and there was nothing wrong with me. Now

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<v Speaker 1>to my actual question, my husband and I have been

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<v Speaker 1>married for thirteen years, and we have a lot of differences,

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<v Speaker 1>simply starting with cultural differences. He's American and I'm Far

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<v Speaker 1>East Asia, so we come from two different spectrums of

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<v Speaker 1>the world culturally and geographically. We also have very different personalities. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>we have three amazing kids together, and we both love

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<v Speaker 1>our kids so much that even though we have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of differences and sometimes feel like this marriage is

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<v Speaker 1>not working out we want to push through for the

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<v Speaker 1>sake of the kids. We both do agree that we

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<v Speaker 1>should go to therapy. However, my main fear and concern

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<v Speaker 1>is will therapy break our marriage? Do we have so

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<v Speaker 1>many issues and differences that we ignored for so many

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<v Speaker 1>years that we're opening a can of worms? Will therapy

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<v Speaker 1>make us bring up every issue and in the end

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<v Speaker 1>make us realize we're not right for each other? After all,

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<v Speaker 1>divorce is absolutely out of the question for me. I

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<v Speaker 1>do not want to put my kids through that. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>I do love my husband and I believe he loves me,

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<v Speaker 1>so I think there's a good foundation there and a

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<v Speaker 1>desire to be together. We just never had great communication.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes it feels weird to start communication after thirteen years

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<v Speaker 1>of marriage. Please advise if couples counseling is a good

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<v Speaker 1>or bad idea for us. So let's get our therapist,

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<v Speaker 1>David on the line, and maybe he can speak to

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<v Speaker 1>some of the cultural differences some of the years around

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<v Speaker 1>going to therapy. Hi David, Hello, Hi David, how are you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing well? How are you guys? Great? Thank you well? David?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you have to say about OC's letter? I

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<v Speaker 1>think this is a great question and great to ask.

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<v Speaker 1>It's never too late to start communicating in any relationship, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But therapy could be really scary, and it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be different for every time in your life. Every therapist

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<v Speaker 1>you see. And one of the things that this writer

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<v Speaker 1>brought up in the beginning is that cultural piece. So

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<v Speaker 1>not every therapist is going to have the same life experience,

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<v Speaker 1>not every therapist is going to have the same anything

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<v Speaker 1>in life, right, But like we can all relate on

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<v Speaker 1>a very human level on things about communication, fighting, what

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<v Speaker 1>it's like to just exist in this world together. So

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<v Speaker 1>finding a therapist that maybe is part of the a

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<v Speaker 1>IPI community could be really helpful and help bridge that

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<v Speaker 1>gap to get one hundred percent comfortable in a therapy situation,

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<v Speaker 1>because so much of the work that we do as

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<v Speaker 1>therapists is about the relationship, right. Anybody who's been in

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<v Speaker 1>therapy can talk about if you feel comfortable with your therapist,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so much easier to open up, it's so much

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<v Speaker 1>easier to get to those real, deep core things, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's really important, especially going into like couple's counseling. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of vulnerability there, right, you have to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about things that aren't working, the challenges that have come

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<v Speaker 1>over the years, and they talk about being married for

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen years. I'm sure there's a lot of stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>could be talked about, right. What do you think, Chelsea?

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<v Speaker 1>I think you just have to If you have a

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<v Speaker 1>desire to want to stay in a relationship, and your

0:22:46.000 --> 0:22:49.119
<v Speaker 1>partner has a desire, then you're using couple's counseling or

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<v Speaker 1>a therapist as a bridge to get there. You're in

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<v Speaker 1>listening somebody to help you maintain the relationship. So of

0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:59.119
<v Speaker 1>course it's worth it. And if you go into therapy

0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:01.000
<v Speaker 1>thinking you're going to find out all of these things,

0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:02.960
<v Speaker 1>all you're going to find out is about your differences

0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:06.239
<v Speaker 1>in how people prefer to be communicated with. Those are

0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:09.800
<v Speaker 1>all workable things when you have a common goal. David,

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<v Speaker 1>how important do you think it is to find a

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<v Speaker 1>therapist who either has a background that's similar to you,

0:23:15.200 --> 0:23:18.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, whatever it is, LGBTQ, or specializes in something

0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:22.240
<v Speaker 1>that you're talking about. I think it's really important. Again,

0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:24.720
<v Speaker 1>not every therapist is going to have those exact experiences

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<v Speaker 1>and still can relate on a number of different levels,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's really important to find someone who you can

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<v Speaker 1>relate to in that way, like you said, LGBTQ or

0:23:34.080 --> 0:23:38.840
<v Speaker 1>a certain religious or cultural experience, because then it takes

0:23:38.880 --> 0:23:41.480
<v Speaker 1>away some of that fear, some of that anxiety, some

0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:45.640
<v Speaker 1>of that misunderstanding in sessions, so it can be really

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<v Speaker 1>valuable experience. I love that idea of like finding someone

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<v Speaker 1>who has the same cultural background as you or specializes

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<v Speaker 1>in whatever your stuff is. I also will say, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as far as the worry of it's splitting you up, Chelsea,

0:23:59.160 --> 0:24:02.080
<v Speaker 1>what do you think of? That's just fear? Like that's

0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:05.560
<v Speaker 1>just not being educated about therapy. The idea that therapy

0:24:05.640 --> 0:24:08.240
<v Speaker 1>is going to split you up is ridiculous, Like it's

0:24:08.280 --> 0:24:11.240
<v Speaker 1>the opposite is true. I mean, couples can break up

0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:13.880
<v Speaker 1>when they go to therapy, but that's also a good

0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:17.159
<v Speaker 1>thing because you're revealing your truths about each other or

0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:20.920
<v Speaker 1>each other's truths and your own self truths. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>unlikely when both people are interested in a solution. I

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<v Speaker 1>know there was a time in my marriage early on

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<v Speaker 1>where I didn't know if we were going to make it,

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<v Speaker 1>and we went through couples counseling, and even though I

0:24:35.600 --> 0:24:37.720
<v Speaker 1>specifically was at a point where I was like I

0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:39.280
<v Speaker 1>don't know if this is happening. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>this is working. I remember our counselor saying to us, like,

0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:46.400
<v Speaker 1>I think you have something special that is worth working on.

0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:49.240
<v Speaker 1>And I think for OC, she and her husband seem

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<v Speaker 1>to both have a real willingness to try, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's kind of half the battle in couples counseling. Yeah,

0:24:57.160 --> 0:24:59.960
<v Speaker 1>usually as long as two people have both feet inside

0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:02.800
<v Speaker 1>the house like that's great, then that's that's an effort,

0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:06.240
<v Speaker 1>and that's what that speaks more than anything else that

0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:08.080
<v Speaker 1>is going to happen, like when you have a kind

0:25:08.080 --> 0:25:11.080
<v Speaker 1>of united front. But and it's totally normal to be

0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:13.320
<v Speaker 1>with somebody for that long and to be fucking annoyed

0:25:13.320 --> 0:25:17.679
<v Speaker 1>with each other. Yeah, yes, especially when you have some

0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:20.560
<v Speaker 1>cultural differences that you're like, why aren't they just getting this?

0:25:20.720 --> 0:25:23.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, this is how I operate. Thanks David for

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<v Speaker 1>joining us. Thank you. Oh see, let us know how

0:25:26.359 --> 0:25:29.200
<v Speaker 1>things go and report back. Yeah, oh see, you keep

0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:31.520
<v Speaker 1>in touch. So we're going to be doing this segment

0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:34.000
<v Speaker 1>calling in backup with better help from time to time,

0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:36.119
<v Speaker 1>So feel free to write in questions with that in mind,

0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:39.280
<v Speaker 1>and a big thank you to calling in backups. Sponsor

0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Better Help, and of course to David Yaddish, licensed therapist

0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:46.080
<v Speaker 1>and clinical operations manager at Better Help. Well, Chelsea, let's

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<v Speaker 1>take a quick break and we'll be right back. Okay,

0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:59.960
<v Speaker 1>And we're back. We're back, We're back. Everybody. Okay, Chelsea,

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<v Speaker 1>let's start with a caller today. I have Brian calling in.

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<v Speaker 1>This is dear Chelsea. I'm a twenty eight year old

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<v Speaker 1>gay man. I'm shaken up and could really use your advice.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in November and December, I became very content with

0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:15.440
<v Speaker 1>the idea of being single for a long time or forever.

0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:18.560
<v Speaker 1>But right before New Year's all that changed when I

0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:21.880
<v Speaker 1>met Peter. What was to be a short tender date

0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:25.840
<v Speaker 1>turned into a five hour rendezvous of endless conversation, and

0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:28.200
<v Speaker 1>I even saw him again the next day. I feel

0:26:28.200 --> 0:26:31.280
<v Speaker 1>like in gay culture, that's like big right. Yeah. The

0:26:31.359 --> 0:26:34.159
<v Speaker 1>connection was unreal, and just a week later we were

0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:37.600
<v Speaker 1>dating officially. We told each other things we've never told anyone,

0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:40.080
<v Speaker 1>and we just could not stop talking to each other.

0:26:40.480 --> 0:26:43.680
<v Speaker 1>I felt totally myself around him, and therefore I let

0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:47.240
<v Speaker 1>my guard completely down and started falling in love. It

0:26:47.400 --> 0:26:50.679
<v Speaker 1>was long distance, but we spent every weekend of January together,

0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:53.800
<v Speaker 1>and during the week we'd FaceTime every day for hours.

0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:56.840
<v Speaker 1>I met his friends, told my parents I was dating someone,

0:26:56.880 --> 0:26:59.600
<v Speaker 1>which I've never done, and we made many travel plans

0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:02.120
<v Speaker 1>to see each other through at least the summer. We

0:27:02.119 --> 0:27:05.120
<v Speaker 1>were both actively applying for jobs in each other's respective

0:27:05.119 --> 0:27:07.840
<v Speaker 1>cities so that we didn't have to be long distance forever.

0:27:08.520 --> 0:27:10.920
<v Speaker 1>I recently drove eight hours to spend the week with him.

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<v Speaker 1>The week was wonderful and there were no signs of issues,

0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:16.560
<v Speaker 1>and the day after I made my drive back home,

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:19.399
<v Speaker 1>he started texting me a little less frequently. Then he

0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:21.600
<v Speaker 1>called me that evening and said he wanted to break

0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:25.120
<v Speaker 1>off the relationship. For context, he's thirty four and came

0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:27.760
<v Speaker 1>out just a year ago. Shortly after he came out,

0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 1>he got into a six month relationship with a man

0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 1>which ended out of the blue. We met maybe a

0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:35.440
<v Speaker 1>month and a half after that last breakup. His reasoning

0:27:35.480 --> 0:27:37.480
<v Speaker 1>for ending it with me was that he needed space

0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:40.320
<v Speaker 1>to be a single, openly gay man. He also cited

0:27:40.359 --> 0:27:43.680
<v Speaker 1>the long distance and his demanding job. I'm just at

0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 1>a complete loss. We both communicated our intent that this

0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:49.159
<v Speaker 1>relationship was a long term, and he just flipped the

0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:52.320
<v Speaker 1>switch completely one day. Like him, I have my own burdens,

0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:55.359
<v Speaker 1>but those burdens became completely eclipsed by the feelings I

0:27:55.400 --> 0:27:57.840
<v Speaker 1>have for him. We ended the breakup call with the

0:27:57.840 --> 0:28:00.520
<v Speaker 1>possibility of getting in touch and rekindling it some point,

0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:06.240
<v Speaker 1>whatever that means. Chelsea, Please help me process what's going on. Brian. Hi, Brian,

0:28:06.720 --> 0:28:11.480
<v Speaker 1>Hi there, Hi, I'm sorry, Brian. That happened, Thank you.

0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:15.640
<v Speaker 1>It happened two days ago now, so it's very very

0:28:15.640 --> 0:28:19.560
<v Speaker 1>recent and so okay, And how many months were you

0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:24.800
<v Speaker 1>guys together? Five? Did you say? Just one month? Actually? Oh? Sorry, okay,

0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:26.960
<v Speaker 1>so you were oh so one month? Okay. Well, the

0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:28.760
<v Speaker 1>good news is it's going to take you a much

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:31.439
<v Speaker 1>quicker time to get over a one month dalliance. It

0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:35.959
<v Speaker 1>sounds a lot like love bombing from just hearing your

0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:40.320
<v Speaker 1>letter to be that intense that quickly. I was reading

0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:43.160
<v Speaker 1>about love bombing once because my girlfriend was going through

0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:46.200
<v Speaker 1>the same thing. And it's like somebody's explosively in love

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:49.040
<v Speaker 1>with you right just you're on your face timing all

0:28:49.120 --> 0:28:52.840
<v Speaker 1>day long. You're telling you you're making future plans premature

0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:55.880
<v Speaker 1>to when that's appropriate. And if you guys doing all

0:28:55.920 --> 0:28:58.400
<v Speaker 1>of that with inside of one month is a big

0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:02.920
<v Speaker 1>red flak. So that's an unhealthy dynamic anyway you're you know,

0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:05.520
<v Speaker 1>you're supposed you can totally be into somebody that much,

0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:08.000
<v Speaker 1>But starting to make plants like that and acting like that,

0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:10.840
<v Speaker 1>it's just it's not stable, do you know what I mean? Like,

0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:13.680
<v Speaker 1>it's not a slow burn and a slow growth where

0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:16.680
<v Speaker 1>it goes like this in a regular ascent in a

0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:20.360
<v Speaker 1>healthy way. So it sounds a little bit unhealthy, which

0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:23.959
<v Speaker 1>is why you probably feel spun out right now. The

0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:26.880
<v Speaker 1>reason for it kind of escalating that quickly was that

0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:30.360
<v Speaker 1>it was long distance and we just had this strong

0:29:30.560 --> 0:29:33.360
<v Speaker 1>media connection right from the get go. It had a

0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:36.240
<v Speaker 1>conversation at the very beginning of the relationship ship saying

0:29:36.240 --> 0:29:39.200
<v Speaker 1>this is long term and we're gonna see it through.

0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:42.400
<v Speaker 1>And we committed to that throughout the month, and just

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:44.520
<v Speaker 1>the other day, out of the blue, it was like

0:29:44.560 --> 0:29:46.800
<v Speaker 1>a switch and he said, no, I can't do this.

0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:50.520
<v Speaker 1>I do understand what you're saying about love bombing though

0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:53.440
<v Speaker 1>that it seemed like it was too quick. But and

0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:58.479
<v Speaker 1>in the breakup call, I tried to almost negotiate with him, saying,

0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:01.640
<v Speaker 1>why don't we just like blow it down instead of

0:30:01.720 --> 0:30:04.000
<v Speaker 1>just having this clean break, given that we are so

0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:07.840
<v Speaker 1>into each other and he just wasn't really seeing my

0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 1>perspective on that. Did you bring up Hey, what about

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:13.760
<v Speaker 1>everything you said and the commitment that we were making.

0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:16.960
<v Speaker 1>I did a little bit, because that is also part

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:19.880
<v Speaker 1>of love bombing, making big commitments and then turning off

0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:23.160
<v Speaker 1>immediately like a switch. You've shower someone with love, shower

0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:26.400
<v Speaker 1>them with love, and then you're gone. And big promises

0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:30.080
<v Speaker 1>and big stuff like that. I think that Brian, it

0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:32.880
<v Speaker 1>doesn't really matter what's going on with him. It matters

0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:35.000
<v Speaker 1>what's going on with you. You know, because I'm talking

0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:37.800
<v Speaker 1>to you right now, and I understand how you're feeling.

0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 1>I've been there. We've all been there. You feel like

0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:42.120
<v Speaker 1>you have the rug pulled out from underneath you. But

0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:44.200
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of advantages to the situation that I

0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 1>don't think you can see yet. Ay, it was this

0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 1>very short amount of time. You will get past this

0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:51.440
<v Speaker 1>sooner than later. I know it doesn't feel like that

0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:54.320
<v Speaker 1>in this moment, but after a couple of weeks, your

0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:58.200
<v Speaker 1>feelings will subside. I promise you that your feelings will subside.

0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:00.280
<v Speaker 1>You're still going to be hurt, because it's hurt full.

0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:02.720
<v Speaker 1>It's not leaving it open emptied. I mean, I guess

0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:04.880
<v Speaker 1>you're kind of leaving it open ended, but that was

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:08.400
<v Speaker 1>at your behalf, not his. So I think that look

0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:11.160
<v Speaker 1>at his behavior for what it is and what it was.

0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:14.800
<v Speaker 1>You made that commitment to him, barely knowing him, getting

0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:18.000
<v Speaker 1>to know him long distance, and you meant it, and

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:21.000
<v Speaker 1>he made that commitment and he didn't mean it right.

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:25.200
<v Speaker 1>So I think that character assessment is really integral into

0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:28.239
<v Speaker 1>your healing and understanding. You don't want to be with

0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:31.320
<v Speaker 1>someone who says things like that and then turns around

0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:33.880
<v Speaker 1>and freaks out. Now listen if he comes back to

0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:35.920
<v Speaker 1>you in a couple of weeks or a couple of

0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:38.760
<v Speaker 1>months and says, oh my god, I'm so sorry. I

0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:40.840
<v Speaker 1>want to do this again. Like you need to set

0:31:40.880 --> 0:31:44.080
<v Speaker 1>some boundaries and ground rules. That's not cool what you did.

0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:46.160
<v Speaker 1>I was in it with you, We made a commitment.

0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:49.360
<v Speaker 1>I thought we were working in a unified front together,

0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:51.520
<v Speaker 1>and then you pulled the rug out from under me.

0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:54.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you've done anything wrong. I think you're

0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:56.920
<v Speaker 1>just going to need some time to get around it.

0:31:56.920 --> 0:31:59.000
<v Speaker 1>But I don't think you should have any contact with him.

0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:00.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you should reach out to him. I

0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:02.760
<v Speaker 1>think you should give him. I think when somebody asked

0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:07.080
<v Speaker 1>for space, you should give them double. Okay. Unfortunately, yesterday

0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:09.840
<v Speaker 1>I wrote him a letter. Okay, it's very cathartic for

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:12.480
<v Speaker 1>me give him that. It was a quick thirty minute

0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:14.880
<v Speaker 1>phone call with a lot of awkward pauses. I was

0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:18.120
<v Speaker 1>just totally in shock. So instead, I wrote him a

0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:21.320
<v Speaker 1>letter like twelve hours later, and I nailed it to him,

0:32:21.360 --> 0:32:25.720
<v Speaker 1>explaining like how I was so hurt given the circumstances,

0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:30.280
<v Speaker 1>and as far as moving forward, I only want to

0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:32.440
<v Speaker 1>hear from him if he's in the space that he

0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:35.480
<v Speaker 1>wants to reach out to me. Okay. So I left

0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:40.040
<v Speaker 1>the possibility open. And I've spoken to some of my

0:32:40.080 --> 0:32:43.680
<v Speaker 1>friends about this, given them the context, and they keep

0:32:43.720 --> 0:32:46.360
<v Speaker 1>saying they expect him to come back at some point,

0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:49.600
<v Speaker 1>and I'm wondering if that's your take on it too.

0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:54.240
<v Speaker 1>You kind of alluded to that. I mean, I don't know. Yeah,

0:32:54.240 --> 0:32:57.000
<v Speaker 1>there's a possibility, and I think that sometimes helps people

0:32:57.000 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 1>get over their healing, the idea that someone's going to

0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:02.719
<v Speaker 1>come back. And that's fine, whatever you need to do

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:05.520
<v Speaker 1>to move on. The important thing is like, yeah you can,

0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:07.920
<v Speaker 1>you can assume that I don't know if he's going

0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:10.200
<v Speaker 1>to come back. I have no idea who this guy is,

0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:14.440
<v Speaker 1>obviously so and I'm not a palm reader, but I

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:18.000
<v Speaker 1>think it's it's an opportunity for you to kind of

0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:21.560
<v Speaker 1>restabilize now that he's out of the picture. If he

0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:23.600
<v Speaker 1>does come back, I want you to be have a

0:33:23.640 --> 0:33:27.600
<v Speaker 1>stronger sense of self and of boundaries and what's healthy

0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 1>and what is it if and when that does happen,

0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:32.720
<v Speaker 1>and if it's not him, for the next person. It's

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:36.000
<v Speaker 1>not healthy to get that crazy and that together in

0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 1>a month. It's understandable that you have an attraction, but

0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:42.680
<v Speaker 1>long distance. I've had long distance relationships, I've dated long distance.

0:33:42.720 --> 0:33:44.920
<v Speaker 1>It's not necessary to get like that, you know what

0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:47.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean. That's a build because if you start in

0:33:48.000 --> 0:33:50.360
<v Speaker 1>one month and you guys are on the phone however

0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:52.960
<v Speaker 1>many hours a day, you're face timing all that stuff,

0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:55.240
<v Speaker 1>that's never gonna last, and you have nowhere to go

0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:58.560
<v Speaker 1>from the first month, you have nowhere to climb. You know,

0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 1>you want like a healthy long term relationship, right, is

0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:06.720
<v Speaker 1>that what you're after ultimately? Yes? Yeah, So I think

0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:09.359
<v Speaker 1>this is a lesson for you to just consider all

0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:11.600
<v Speaker 1>of those things and think about how you want to

0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:14.560
<v Speaker 1>move forward in the next relationship or if this guy

0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:18.400
<v Speaker 1>does return. Yeah, I think there's a little bit of

0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:21.520
<v Speaker 1>guarding your heart that should happen if you do hear

0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:23.479
<v Speaker 1>from him again. And I also think, you know, having

0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:26.680
<v Speaker 1>written him the letter, jives with what Chelsea was saying.

0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:28.680
<v Speaker 1>You said, the door is open if you want to

0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:32.919
<v Speaker 1>contact me, but I'm not gonna chase you. I also

0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:36.160
<v Speaker 1>think when you're long distance, especially from the beginning, there's

0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:39.760
<v Speaker 1>an opportunity for you to live in the fantasy of

0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:42.400
<v Speaker 1>this is going to be so amazing, it's going to

0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:45.440
<v Speaker 1>be great, all the amazing things. We're so in love,

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:47.600
<v Speaker 1>but you're not dealing with the day to day of

0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:51.960
<v Speaker 1>like being around each other, of like the everyday annoyances

0:34:52.000 --> 0:34:54.120
<v Speaker 1>of you know, you came home pissed because you had

0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:55.960
<v Speaker 1>a bad day of work and he's got to deal

0:34:56.000 --> 0:34:58.720
<v Speaker 1>with you. You know, all of that stuff is not present,

0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:02.239
<v Speaker 1>and so it's very easy to only experience like the

0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 1>exciting part of it. Who knows if he's going to

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:07.279
<v Speaker 1>come back, but if he does, I think you got

0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:10.600
<v Speaker 1>to guard your heart a little bit. Right, I'm in shock,

0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:14.440
<v Speaker 1>given that I have a tendency to not be vulnerable

0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:18.040
<v Speaker 1>and put up balls, and I've made a conscious effort

0:35:18.040 --> 0:35:20.920
<v Speaker 1>to being in this relationship to not do that. I'll

0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:24.600
<v Speaker 1>let everything go and was like totally myself around him,

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:27.719
<v Speaker 1>and that's why it hurts so bad. Yeah, I know,

0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:31.239
<v Speaker 1>I can tell you're hurting obviously, and I just want

0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:33.760
<v Speaker 1>you to remember this is a month of your life

0:35:34.160 --> 0:35:36.239
<v Speaker 1>and it seems like the biggest month of your life

0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:38.880
<v Speaker 1>right now. Once you get a little bit of distance

0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:40.520
<v Speaker 1>from this, it's not going to be so big in

0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:42.839
<v Speaker 1>your mind. It just won't be. And I know if

0:35:42.840 --> 0:35:44.640
<v Speaker 1>you want to hold onto the idea that he's coming back,

0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:47.400
<v Speaker 1>that's fine too. That sometimes helps people. I've done that

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:49.719
<v Speaker 1>in the past, and to get over somebody, you know,

0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:52.279
<v Speaker 1>like they'll be back, they'll be back, and by the way,

0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:54.480
<v Speaker 1>they always are. I mean for women. You know, I

0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:56.760
<v Speaker 1>can't speak for gay man because it's a little bit different,

0:35:57.320 --> 0:35:59.279
<v Speaker 1>but you know, I just really want you to look

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:02.719
<v Speaker 1>inward and focus on yourself and you're healing and positive

0:36:02.800 --> 0:36:06.560
<v Speaker 1>vibrations for you, you know, instead of obsessing about what

0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:09.640
<v Speaker 1>he's doing, which is sometimes you know, unavoidable. I know

0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:12.280
<v Speaker 1>how the brain works, and you're going to be obsessing

0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:14.279
<v Speaker 1>over him because you care so much about him and

0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:17.239
<v Speaker 1>you are so hurt. I just think, you know, hold

0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:19.879
<v Speaker 1>your head high. You sent him that letter and act

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:22.640
<v Speaker 1>with integrity, and now you can step away from him.

0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:24.960
<v Speaker 1>And if and when he comes back, then it's going

0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:26.879
<v Speaker 1>to be a different story. If it's like a few

0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:29.239
<v Speaker 1>days and he's like, I fucked up, then that obviously,

0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:31.560
<v Speaker 1>then okay, you're on the same page. But if it's

0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:34.080
<v Speaker 1>a couple of months that he comes back and says like, Okay,

0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:35.319
<v Speaker 1>now I want to come back and be like, well,

0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:37.759
<v Speaker 1>not so fast. We have to have some ground rules now.

0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:40.880
<v Speaker 1>But I want you to think about how you can

0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:44.960
<v Speaker 1>be stronger and better and more grounded in every relationship

0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:48.640
<v Speaker 1>moving forward, and focus on that skill set while you're

0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:51.080
<v Speaker 1>going through this time. I think when you try to

0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:54.040
<v Speaker 1>look at yourself and you try to better yourself and

0:36:54.440 --> 0:36:57.000
<v Speaker 1>maybe read a book about breaking up, do you read

0:36:57.000 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 1>books a little bit? Yeah? Okay. I just wanted you

0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:02.359
<v Speaker 1>to keep yourself busy and just try and get through

0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:05.759
<v Speaker 1>the initial blunt force of the trauma of breaking up

0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:08.319
<v Speaker 1>with somebody after a month, you know, And I think

0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:10.600
<v Speaker 1>once you get past like two weeks, you're going to

0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:14.160
<v Speaker 1>feel a lot differently than you do feel now. You

0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:16.359
<v Speaker 1>might still have the same feelings, but they won't it

0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:19.399
<v Speaker 1>won't be such a dagger in your chest. Yeah. One

0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:22.680
<v Speaker 1>thing that I keep I'm thinking about now. I keep

0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 1>trying to theorize, like, what was going in his mind

0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:29.600
<v Speaker 1>this entire month and at the moment a breakup. Is

0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:32.160
<v Speaker 1>it just simply he got cold feet? Or is it

0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:35.359
<v Speaker 1>that the entire month he was being superficial and fake.

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:39.360
<v Speaker 1>I keep going back to that, but I hear what

0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:43.640
<v Speaker 1>you're saying about I need to stop belaboring that point

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:46.520
<v Speaker 1>and just move forward with my life. Yeah, and you

0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:48.640
<v Speaker 1>can try. And you know, I think a good exercise

0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:51.640
<v Speaker 1>is sending him love in your own mind. I want

0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:54.640
<v Speaker 1>to send him peace, happiness, and love anytime he comes

0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:57.279
<v Speaker 1>into your mind, to just give out love. You may

0:37:57.320 --> 0:37:59.799
<v Speaker 1>not get these answers. And to be quite frank with you,

0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:03.319
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter what his m is, what he was doing.

0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:06.200
<v Speaker 1>It matters what you're doing. It doesn't matter if he

0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:08.200
<v Speaker 1>was manipulating you or if he really felt it and

0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:10.080
<v Speaker 1>he got cold feet. I know it matters to you

0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:13.480
<v Speaker 1>psychologically right now, but ultimately, in the bigger scheme of things,

0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:18.040
<v Speaker 1>his behavior doesn't matter yours does. That's how I ended

0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:20.200
<v Speaker 1>the letter I sent him, saying like, I want you

0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:22.640
<v Speaker 1>to be happy, and I'm glad to have been on

0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:24.520
<v Speaker 1>that journey with you, even if it was just for

0:38:24.680 --> 0:38:27.720
<v Speaker 1>the short moment. That's good. I tried to like push

0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:31.680
<v Speaker 1>that forward. Yeah, great, keep riding that train. That's that's

0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:34.719
<v Speaker 1>exactly what you need to do to heal. Yeah, you

0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:37.759
<v Speaker 1>know there's also in your letter. You guys got close

0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:40.520
<v Speaker 1>enough that he opened up to you about other relationships

0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:43.160
<v Speaker 1>that have ended really abruptly, and I'm glad you included

0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:45.440
<v Speaker 1>that in your letter, so that this that may just

0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:49.920
<v Speaker 1>be kind of how he operates, and it's kind of

0:38:49.920 --> 0:38:51.759
<v Speaker 1>a good thing that you guys weren't together for six

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:55.319
<v Speaker 1>months or a year or engaged before he suddenly was

0:38:55.640 --> 0:38:58.719
<v Speaker 1>out of your life. Yeah, I agree with that. Be

0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:01.160
<v Speaker 1>grateful that it was a month this happened and not

0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:04.160
<v Speaker 1>six months, because that would have been really, really, even

0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:06.799
<v Speaker 1>more painful than what you're going through right now. I

0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:09.759
<v Speaker 1>know that's unimaginable to you, but I promise you it

0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:12.040
<v Speaker 1>would have been worse if it had. You know, sometimes

0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:14.160
<v Speaker 1>in our lives, and I know I've felt this way

0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:18.200
<v Speaker 1>sometimes when we can't recognize the situation we're in. There's

0:39:18.239 --> 0:39:20.960
<v Speaker 1>a bigger higher power that's pulling us out of it,

0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:24.279
<v Speaker 1>And I think it's helpful to sometimes look at things

0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:27.480
<v Speaker 1>like that. Not everything is in your control, and sometimes

0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:30.080
<v Speaker 1>you're someone's doing you a favor and you don't even

0:39:30.080 --> 0:39:32.640
<v Speaker 1>know it's a favor until much later, right. I think

0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:35.960
<v Speaker 1>another point similar to that is in the beginning of

0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:38.680
<v Speaker 1>my letter to you, I had mentioned I had been

0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:41.200
<v Speaker 1>content with the idea of being single for a very

0:39:41.200 --> 0:39:44.160
<v Speaker 1>long time, and then this happened. So this kind of

0:39:44.280 --> 0:39:48.839
<v Speaker 1>changes my perspective of relationships, knowing that I do have

0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:52.400
<v Speaker 1>the ability to love another person business it may not

0:39:52.480 --> 0:39:56.959
<v Speaker 1>be this person, but it can happen in the future. Yes, yes, absolutely,

0:39:57.080 --> 0:40:00.279
<v Speaker 1>You're not a victim. This is a good empowering situation,

0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:02.400
<v Speaker 1>and I beg you to use it, you know what

0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:04.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Use it to make you stronger, to make

0:40:04.960 --> 0:40:08.239
<v Speaker 1>you more aware, and to be the person that is

0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:10.960
<v Speaker 1>going to attract the person that you're looking for. And

0:40:11.040 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 1>in order to be that person, you know what I mean,

0:40:13.080 --> 0:40:14.760
<v Speaker 1>sometimes we have to do a little bit of extra

0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:17.000
<v Speaker 1>work and there are lessons along the way, and then

0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:19.640
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden you're at this like higher level

0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:23.120
<v Speaker 1>of vibration, and you're attracting somebody who's really on the

0:40:23.200 --> 0:40:25.839
<v Speaker 1>level and can see you exactly for what you are,

0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:29.879
<v Speaker 1>and then you join forces and it's explosive. Yeah, don't

0:40:29.880 --> 0:40:33.000
<v Speaker 1>neglect the slow burn. I mean, when I first started

0:40:33.080 --> 0:40:36.200
<v Speaker 1>dating my husband, I had gotten out of a relationship

0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:38.600
<v Speaker 1>that was a very like tons of love bombing. It

0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:41.440
<v Speaker 1>wound up becoming very abusive. It was eleven months of

0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:45.000
<v Speaker 1>bad stuff and I, you know, single for a little while.

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:49.960
<v Speaker 1>I met Brad, and compared to what I had come from,

0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:52.640
<v Speaker 1>this was just sort of like a very nice guy

0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:56.359
<v Speaker 1>who pursued me and wanted to treat me right. And

0:40:56.800 --> 0:40:59.520
<v Speaker 1>there's something about it if you've gone through a relationship

0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:02.360
<v Speaker 1>where there is a lot of love bombing, that a

0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:06.279
<v Speaker 1>more healthy, stable relationship can seem almost boring or a

0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:08.719
<v Speaker 1>lot less exciting because you don't have these extreme high

0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:12.840
<v Speaker 1>highs and extreme low lows. But that stability is also

0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 1>what a healthy relationship is built on. So don't neglect

0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:19.839
<v Speaker 1>the guys that might seem a little less exciting at

0:41:19.880 --> 0:41:22.920
<v Speaker 1>the very beginning. So we just take that the right way, Brad,

0:41:23.040 --> 0:41:27.600
<v Speaker 1>But you know, it can be good for longer. Term.

0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:31.520
<v Speaker 1>You have to get to know somebody. When there's electricity,

0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:34.080
<v Speaker 1>that's great, but that's not all it takes to be

0:41:34.160 --> 0:41:37.680
<v Speaker 1>in a relationship. That's just chemistry, you know, and that's

0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:40.160
<v Speaker 1>when you spark with someone. And sometimes you know, you

0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:42.560
<v Speaker 1>can get carried away and it sounds like you got

0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:45.200
<v Speaker 1>carried away. You don't really know him. You don't know

0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:47.239
<v Speaker 1>his character, you don't know his background. You just know

0:41:47.280 --> 0:41:49.879
<v Speaker 1>what he's told you. You know, you haven't spend enough

0:41:49.880 --> 0:41:52.040
<v Speaker 1>time with him, with his family, with his friends, all

0:41:52.080 --> 0:41:55.160
<v Speaker 1>of those things matter, and vice versa. He has to

0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:58.359
<v Speaker 1>spend time with you. It's fun and it's great, but

0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:02.880
<v Speaker 1>it's not healthy. How old are you, Brian, I'm thirty.

0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:06.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, well listen, you're gonna have plenty of people.

0:42:06.200 --> 0:42:07.840
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna have plenty of time to get your heartbroken

0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:10.759
<v Speaker 1>again and break other people's hearts. So, you know, when

0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:13.520
<v Speaker 1>you get stuck admired in it, just try and pull

0:42:13.560 --> 0:42:16.720
<v Speaker 1>yourself out and get that perspective of your entire life,

0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:20.080
<v Speaker 1>not just this moment, and look at your whole life

0:42:20.360 --> 0:42:22.759
<v Speaker 1>and your past and your future, and then you're going

0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:27.040
<v Speaker 1>to understand that a month is nothing. I really appreciate

0:42:27.120 --> 0:42:30.719
<v Speaker 1>place outsider perspectives. Since I've been getting the comments from

0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:33.920
<v Speaker 1>my friends, it's all they're trying to support me and saying, oh,

0:42:33.960 --> 0:42:36.080
<v Speaker 1>he's going to come back. It's kind of like my

0:42:36.200 --> 0:42:39.120
<v Speaker 1>opic type of thinking versus year giving you a more

0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:44.080
<v Speaker 1>holistic picture, which I really appreciate. Yeah, I think that's important. Well,

0:42:44.120 --> 0:42:46.240
<v Speaker 1>will you check back in with us in a few weeks, Brian,

0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:49.920
<v Speaker 1>I will, all right, let us know how it's going. Okay,

0:42:50.360 --> 0:42:53.600
<v Speaker 1>I will thank you so much. Thanks, thanks Brian, talking

0:42:53.640 --> 0:42:59.160
<v Speaker 1>to you, bye bye bye. Oh what a sweetie. Oh heartbreak.

0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:02.640
<v Speaker 1>I know, you know. I remember meeting this fucking guy

0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:07.000
<v Speaker 1>on my Space. Remember my Space? And I went out

0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:10.920
<v Speaker 1>with him. Oh god, I forget how many times, but enough,

0:43:11.239 --> 0:43:13.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, for a couple of months, maybe a month

0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:16.400
<v Speaker 1>and a half, but intense. We were into each other.

0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:18.279
<v Speaker 1>Not to the degree that this guy's talking about, because

0:43:18.280 --> 0:43:21.000
<v Speaker 1>I would never FaceTime that long. But I don't even

0:43:21.000 --> 0:43:22.719
<v Speaker 1>know about FaceTime that at that point. I don't know

0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:24.960
<v Speaker 1>if we had it because my Space. I don't even

0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:27.520
<v Speaker 1>think we had iPhones. Zach the Yeah, I think we

0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:30.120
<v Speaker 1>had the Internet. And he blew me off. He goes

0:43:30.160 --> 0:43:33.160
<v Speaker 1>to me, I was like in my twenties, and I

0:43:33.200 --> 0:43:38.720
<v Speaker 1>was obsessed with finding out what happened. Ghosting is the worst.

0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:43.479
<v Speaker 1>Obsessed with finding out what happened? What Is it because

0:43:43.520 --> 0:43:45.600
<v Speaker 1>of something I did? Is it because something I said?

0:43:45.880 --> 0:43:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Did I do that? Did I get too drunk? Did

0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:53.240
<v Speaker 1>I whatever? Just obsessed there had to be a reason.

0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:55.920
<v Speaker 1>And it's like sometimes there just isn't a fucking reason.

0:43:56.000 --> 0:43:59.000
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter, It doesn't matter at all. It just

0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:02.279
<v Speaker 1>matters how you kind of react to those situations, and

0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:05.200
<v Speaker 1>when you let them envelop you and take over your mind,

0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:07.919
<v Speaker 1>it just has such a negative impact on everything else

0:44:07.960 --> 0:44:10.160
<v Speaker 1>that's going on in your life at that moment. Yeah,

0:44:10.320 --> 0:44:13.520
<v Speaker 1>it definitely does. I think he's going to be just fine.

0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:15.960
<v Speaker 1>And I'm glad that he sort of learned how to

0:44:16.040 --> 0:44:19.319
<v Speaker 1>be vulnerable in this situation and if he can rain

0:44:19.440 --> 0:44:22.440
<v Speaker 1>that into a healthy degree in his next interaction, I

0:44:22.440 --> 0:44:25.560
<v Speaker 1>think that's perfect. That's exactly he's But he met the

0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:28.239
<v Speaker 1>person who wanted to take advantage maybe of that vulnerability,

0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:30.319
<v Speaker 1>Like right at the moment he decided to like give

0:44:30.360 --> 0:44:32.399
<v Speaker 1>it all away, and you got to give it out

0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:35.120
<v Speaker 1>an increments, you know, people have to earn it. I

0:44:35.200 --> 0:44:38.400
<v Speaker 1>like the phrase welcome the pain you know. I like that.

0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:41.239
<v Speaker 1>I read that in some book and it ran deep

0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:44.319
<v Speaker 1>with me because I just it's a great way to

0:44:44.360 --> 0:44:48.279
<v Speaker 1>look at a hard situation, because I feel like, you know,

0:44:48.320 --> 0:44:50.319
<v Speaker 1>we all go through difficult breakups and we all get

0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:54.399
<v Speaker 1>our hearts broken and we all heal. Yeah, so you're

0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:57.120
<v Speaker 1>not some you know people think it's it's never gonna

0:44:57.160 --> 0:45:00.320
<v Speaker 1>be okay again. It's gonna be okay again. You're everyone

0:45:00.360 --> 0:45:02.440
<v Speaker 1>just survives this. There's not a lot of people who

0:45:02.440 --> 0:45:04.640
<v Speaker 1>haven't been in love or haven't had their heartbroken. It

0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:07.560
<v Speaker 1>happens a lot, and I think welcoming the pain is

0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:11.120
<v Speaker 1>a great idea to think about. Welcome it. The sooner

0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:13.520
<v Speaker 1>you go through it, the sooner it is out of you,

0:45:13.840 --> 0:45:17.000
<v Speaker 1>and the sooner the next adventure is right around the corner. Yeah,

0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:19.640
<v Speaker 1>so welcome it, bring it in, let it run through you,

0:45:19.800 --> 0:45:21.920
<v Speaker 1>and then you're going to be moving on. Yeah, and

0:45:21.960 --> 0:45:24.320
<v Speaker 1>you said something like this when we were talking to

0:45:24.440 --> 0:45:26.800
<v Speaker 1>him as well. But one of my girlfriend says, rejection

0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:30.279
<v Speaker 1>is protection, and that's exactly what the situation feels like

0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:34.040
<v Speaker 1>to me. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. Well, should

0:45:34.040 --> 0:45:37.880
<v Speaker 1>we take another caller? Yeah? Hey, yeah, yeah, I like

0:45:37.960 --> 0:45:41.319
<v Speaker 1>our one on one episodes. No, they're kind of fun. Yeah,

0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:44.680
<v Speaker 1>we can really get down to business. Yes, exactly, get

0:45:44.719 --> 0:45:52.759
<v Speaker 1>granuelow with people. This call is from Maggie. She says,

0:45:52.800 --> 0:45:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Dear Chelsea, in the spring of twenty sixteen, I had

0:45:56.000 --> 0:45:58.880
<v Speaker 1>to end a toxic friendship with someone I had considered

0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:01.479
<v Speaker 1>a best friend and full mate of six years. Let's

0:46:01.480 --> 0:46:05.560
<v Speaker 1>call her Amanda. Amanda had been exhibiting problematic, manipulative, and

0:46:05.600 --> 0:46:08.680
<v Speaker 1>abusive behavior towards me and others that I had been

0:46:08.680 --> 0:46:11.160
<v Speaker 1>clocking for a while and could no longer handle or

0:46:11.239 --> 0:46:15.040
<v Speaker 1>tolerate in my life. Ultimately, I've not regretted this decision,

0:46:15.200 --> 0:46:17.600
<v Speaker 1>except for genuinely missing her and the best of times

0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:20.080
<v Speaker 1>we had in the past. But I've completely moved on

0:46:20.160 --> 0:46:22.520
<v Speaker 1>and I'm so happy in the friendships I have kept

0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:26.440
<v Speaker 1>and cultivated before and since then, things have been relatively

0:46:26.480 --> 0:46:29.640
<v Speaker 1>easy to navigate, minus one mild run in at an event,

0:46:30.000 --> 0:46:32.480
<v Speaker 1>especially since I have the positive mindset about my decision

0:46:32.520 --> 0:46:35.600
<v Speaker 1>and hold no hard feelings towards Amanda. I genuinely wish

0:46:35.600 --> 0:46:39.200
<v Speaker 1>her the best. Until now, our mutual best friend is

0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:41.720
<v Speaker 1>getting married and we will be attending the same bridal

0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:44.640
<v Speaker 1>party events together. Now, I don't know how it can

0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:47.600
<v Speaker 1>be more clear to everyone that it's all good. We chill,

0:46:47.640 --> 0:46:49.840
<v Speaker 1>at least on my end, But the bride to be

0:46:50.200 --> 0:46:52.520
<v Speaker 1>has asked me if things will be awkward and uncomfortable.

0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:55.239
<v Speaker 1>Of course not, is my answer, but I can see

0:46:55.280 --> 0:46:57.960
<v Speaker 1>it's weighing on her. I can't help but think that

0:46:58.000 --> 0:47:00.600
<v Speaker 1>Amanda has mentioned something or given the pression to the

0:47:00.600 --> 0:47:03.600
<v Speaker 1>bride that things could be uncomfortable. The bride has always

0:47:03.600 --> 0:47:06.560
<v Speaker 1>been very conscious of not mentioning us to the other,

0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:08.239
<v Speaker 1>which I have told her a few times is not

0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:12.360
<v Speaker 1>necessary because I'm freakin good. To ease the bride's nerves,

0:47:12.440 --> 0:47:14.520
<v Speaker 1>I have offered to reach out to Amanda and say

0:47:14.560 --> 0:47:17.200
<v Speaker 1>hello and gently let her know everything is good on

0:47:17.239 --> 0:47:19.400
<v Speaker 1>my end, and I look forward to enjoying the events

0:47:19.480 --> 0:47:23.000
<v Speaker 1>leading up to the wedding together in an amicable fashion. However,

0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:26.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm finding the words to be really difficult to get

0:47:26.280 --> 0:47:29.560
<v Speaker 1>down in a draft. Amanda is an incredibly sensitive and

0:47:29.640 --> 0:47:33.160
<v Speaker 1>intelligent person whose ability to pick apart a well meaning

0:47:33.239 --> 0:47:38.359
<v Speaker 1>message and its unsaid quote potential demeaning nature is astounding.

0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:41.839
<v Speaker 1>Her superpower is to take offense to anyone who even

0:47:41.880 --> 0:47:45.040
<v Speaker 1>breathes wrong around her, and that's what worries me if

0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:47.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't choose my words ever so carefully. Instead of

0:47:47.760 --> 0:47:50.839
<v Speaker 1>diffusing and creating a positive environment for the bride, things

0:47:50.840 --> 0:47:53.719
<v Speaker 1>will be awkward and tense because she's incapable of letting

0:47:53.760 --> 0:47:56.960
<v Speaker 1>go and letting these special days be about someone else.

0:47:57.200 --> 0:48:02.879
<v Speaker 1>Please help Maggie. Hi, Maggie, Hi, Chelsea, Hi, good, This

0:48:02.960 --> 0:48:05.520
<v Speaker 1>is Catherine. Who you know? How are you? Yeah? I

0:48:05.680 --> 0:48:09.520
<v Speaker 1>got good? Thank you? How about yourself? We're good? We're good. Okay,

0:48:09.560 --> 0:48:11.840
<v Speaker 1>so this is a good situation. Well, let's write this

0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:14.680
<v Speaker 1>letter together. First of all, my question is what is

0:48:15.320 --> 0:48:18.160
<v Speaker 1>her relationship with the bride these days? Is the bride

0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:21.439
<v Speaker 1>aware of her toxicity? I don't think that she's aware.

0:48:21.480 --> 0:48:24.960
<v Speaker 1>They're still fairly close friends. The bride and I think

0:48:25.080 --> 0:48:27.719
<v Speaker 1>spend more time together and we're a little bit closer.

0:48:28.160 --> 0:48:31.719
<v Speaker 1>But the bride she's just the sweetest person, and so

0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:34.719
<v Speaker 1>I think she is tolerant of a little bit more

0:48:34.920 --> 0:48:37.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of toxic behavior that this girl has showed. Yea,

0:48:37.880 --> 0:48:39.279
<v Speaker 1>and I was kind of snapped out of it a

0:48:39.280 --> 0:48:42.919
<v Speaker 1>few years ago, but they're still close. Okay, So when

0:48:42.920 --> 0:48:46.600
<v Speaker 1>did your relationship end with this woman? Twenty sixteen? Oh,

0:48:46.640 --> 0:48:49.240
<v Speaker 1>so it's been a while. It's been a really long time,

0:48:49.440 --> 0:48:52.719
<v Speaker 1>so I'm very good where I'm at. There's been one

0:48:52.800 --> 0:48:56.279
<v Speaker 1>or two times where the ex friend has either tried

0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:59.080
<v Speaker 1>to reach out to me through the bride or another

0:48:59.160 --> 0:49:02.640
<v Speaker 1>mutual friend, maybe trying to rekindle things. But I've kind

0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:04.759
<v Speaker 1>of said, you know, enough time has passed, and I like,

0:49:05.040 --> 0:49:08.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm all good. Okay, I you sound good. Listen everything

0:49:08.360 --> 0:49:10.600
<v Speaker 1>you wrote in that letter, you sound totally healthy and

0:49:10.880 --> 0:49:13.120
<v Speaker 1>with it. So let's just phrase how you're going to

0:49:13.200 --> 0:49:14.880
<v Speaker 1>put this right. I think you just make it all

0:49:14.920 --> 0:49:18.560
<v Speaker 1>about your friends that's getting married. Yeah, this is about her.

0:49:18.640 --> 0:49:20.319
<v Speaker 1>I want the focus to be on her. I have

0:49:20.400 --> 0:49:23.239
<v Speaker 1>no ill will towards you, and I'm looking forward to

0:49:23.280 --> 0:49:24.880
<v Speaker 1>spending this time with you. I think we're all going

0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:27.480
<v Speaker 1>to have a great time. Yeah right. I think short

0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:29.239
<v Speaker 1>and sweet is the best way so that she can't

0:49:29.280 --> 0:49:32.400
<v Speaker 1>go in and part your language. Yes, short and sweet,

0:49:32.480 --> 0:49:35.279
<v Speaker 1>keep it positive, keep it about the bride. Okay, great,

0:49:35.360 --> 0:49:37.879
<v Speaker 1>So what are you gonna what are you thinking about writing? Hey?

0:49:38.040 --> 0:49:42.239
<v Speaker 1>I hope you're doing well. I'm so happy for our friends. Yes,

0:49:42.719 --> 0:49:45.680
<v Speaker 1>we know that moving forward we will be seeing some

0:49:45.760 --> 0:49:48.799
<v Speaker 1>of each other and just want to reach out and

0:49:48.840 --> 0:49:51.799
<v Speaker 1>say looking forward to having a really great time and

0:49:51.920 --> 0:49:54.680
<v Speaker 1>making it just about the bride, you know, and we

0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:58.960
<v Speaker 1>can enjoy ourselves too. Yeah, yeah, I think everything you

0:49:59.000 --> 0:50:01.560
<v Speaker 1>said is perfect. But don't say making it just about

0:50:01.600 --> 0:50:04.279
<v Speaker 1>the bride, because that implies that there's tension. So I

0:50:04.280 --> 0:50:06.680
<v Speaker 1>think you should say I can't wait to celebrate her

0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:08.839
<v Speaker 1>with you, and I think we're all good and I'm

0:50:08.880 --> 0:50:11.359
<v Speaker 1>looking forward to having a great weekend and I just

0:50:11.400 --> 0:50:13.319
<v Speaker 1>wanted to touch base so that you know that I'm

0:50:13.320 --> 0:50:15.799
<v Speaker 1>coming with a heart full of love something like that,

0:50:15.920 --> 0:50:19.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, at the end like that. Yeah, I think

0:50:19.480 --> 0:50:22.200
<v Speaker 1>Chelsea is right too, you know, especially because this friend

0:50:22.200 --> 0:50:25.680
<v Speaker 1>has reached out and made an attempt at rekindling a relationship.

0:50:25.800 --> 0:50:28.120
<v Speaker 1>You don't have to do that, but I think Chelsea's

0:50:28.239 --> 0:50:30.600
<v Speaker 1>right to be like, you know what, let's go and

0:50:30.680 --> 0:50:32.960
<v Speaker 1>have a great time. It doesn't mean you have to

0:50:33.040 --> 0:50:35.520
<v Speaker 1>become best friends with her again, being like, hey, we're

0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:37.799
<v Speaker 1>going to have a good time together at this event.

0:50:37.840 --> 0:50:39.719
<v Speaker 1>You know you're going to be at together. I think

0:50:39.760 --> 0:50:43.480
<v Speaker 1>it's safe, right, So not delving too much into the

0:50:43.560 --> 0:50:49.760
<v Speaker 1>past or focusing on just keep it. That's twenty sixteen,

0:50:49.840 --> 0:50:52.600
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about like seven years, you know, what I mean,

0:50:52.800 --> 0:50:55.640
<v Speaker 1>don't even bring it up. Just move forward because who knows. Listen,

0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:57.799
<v Speaker 1>she might be different too. You don't know if she's

0:50:57.800 --> 0:51:00.239
<v Speaker 1>been to therapy and it has some self awareness now,

0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:02.399
<v Speaker 1>or if she's changed. So you don't assume that she's

0:51:02.440 --> 0:51:05.440
<v Speaker 1>the same person she was. Absolutely, even if it comes

0:51:05.480 --> 0:51:08.839
<v Speaker 1>up at the wedding, which it shouldn't, you should be like, no, no, no, no,

0:51:08.880 --> 0:51:11.400
<v Speaker 1>this is about This is about the woman that's getting married.

0:51:11.480 --> 0:51:14.439
<v Speaker 1>This is your tribute to her. You're writing this letter

0:51:14.560 --> 0:51:17.240
<v Speaker 1>because of her. You're going to have a great time

0:51:17.320 --> 0:51:20.200
<v Speaker 1>and not focus on the past because of her. Just

0:51:20.280 --> 0:51:22.440
<v Speaker 1>be in the moment that you're in, you know, and

0:51:22.520 --> 0:51:25.760
<v Speaker 1>just spread positivity in that letter. Make it short and sweet,

0:51:25.880 --> 0:51:29.160
<v Speaker 1>no longer than five sentences. Do you still have her

0:51:29.160 --> 0:51:31.400
<v Speaker 1>phone number? Or do you follow her on social media?

0:51:31.480 --> 0:51:33.520
<v Speaker 1>I would have to reach out on social media. I

0:51:33.520 --> 0:51:36.320
<v Speaker 1>think back, however, many years ago, it was I probably

0:51:36.360 --> 0:51:40.160
<v Speaker 1>did block her number, probably on you know, whatever social

0:51:40.160 --> 0:51:41.960
<v Speaker 1>media we were using at the time. But I think

0:51:42.000 --> 0:51:43.840
<v Speaker 1>I would still be able to reach out as like

0:51:43.880 --> 0:51:46.640
<v Speaker 1>a DM or something. Okay, Okay, I mean, I honestly

0:51:46.640 --> 0:51:48.680
<v Speaker 1>would say, like a DM or a text feels less

0:51:48.680 --> 0:51:51.920
<v Speaker 1>formal than an email or something like that. So maybe

0:51:52.040 --> 0:51:54.439
<v Speaker 1>because you're keeping it short and sweet, that might feel

0:51:54.480 --> 0:51:56.800
<v Speaker 1>like a less pressure just to be like, hey girl,

0:51:57.040 --> 0:51:59.759
<v Speaker 1>looking forward to celebrating our friend with you, excited to

0:51:59.760 --> 0:52:02.520
<v Speaker 1>part whatever. But I love Chelsea what you said about

0:52:02.560 --> 0:52:05.800
<v Speaker 1>like coming with a heartful of it's going to be exciting. Yeah,

0:52:05.840 --> 0:52:07.720
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna be just fine. You're in a good place.

0:52:07.800 --> 0:52:10.600
<v Speaker 1>You're a good person. And this woman, I bet has

0:52:10.680 --> 0:52:12.600
<v Speaker 1>changed a little bit. I don't think she's gonna want

0:52:12.600 --> 0:52:15.320
<v Speaker 1>the drama, you know, I mean a lot of time

0:52:15.360 --> 0:52:19.200
<v Speaker 1>has passed, Yes, and if she does, you know what,

0:52:19.440 --> 0:52:21.399
<v Speaker 1>you have to know that you did the right thing

0:52:21.640 --> 0:52:24.040
<v Speaker 1>and you can't control her behavior. So if she does

0:52:24.320 --> 0:52:28.200
<v Speaker 1>snipe about it to someone else, okay, then she's going

0:52:28.239 --> 0:52:30.680
<v Speaker 1>to do that. Yeah, just take a higher path and

0:52:30.719 --> 0:52:32.799
<v Speaker 1>then that way, there's like you haven't done any you

0:52:32.800 --> 0:52:35.879
<v Speaker 1>haven't been bad mouthing her. You're not going to that's

0:52:35.960 --> 0:52:39.480
<v Speaker 1>not your game. And you're just there to celebrate your

0:52:39.480 --> 0:52:43.719
<v Speaker 1>girlfriend and her special day. Yeah, yes, okay, great, Well,

0:52:43.719 --> 0:52:46.200
<v Speaker 1>thank you so much. Oh, thank you, it's nice to

0:52:46.239 --> 0:52:49.560
<v Speaker 1>talk to you. Good luck you too. Thanks. Let us

0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:52.640
<v Speaker 1>know how it goes. Oh well, yeah, thank you both. Bye.

0:52:52.640 --> 0:52:58.719
<v Speaker 1>Maggie Bye. Well. Our last caller is Farren. Farren says

0:52:58.800 --> 0:53:01.719
<v Speaker 1>dear Chelsea. So years the hot Goss. I met a

0:53:01.760 --> 0:53:04.440
<v Speaker 1>guy on Hinge back in September. We had a lot

0:53:04.480 --> 0:53:07.240
<v Speaker 1>in common and it was lovely, but I wasn't feeling

0:53:07.280 --> 0:53:09.400
<v Speaker 1>it at the time. I told him I was not

0:53:09.560 --> 0:53:12.640
<v Speaker 1>interested in him romantically, and we decided to remain friends.

0:53:12.960 --> 0:53:14.960
<v Speaker 1>We attempted to make plans a couple of times, but

0:53:15.040 --> 0:53:18.320
<v Speaker 1>never ended up hanging out. A while later, I realized

0:53:18.360 --> 0:53:21.560
<v Speaker 1>I had been closing myself off to potential romantic situations

0:53:21.600 --> 0:53:25.520
<v Speaker 1>as a defense mechanism. Subconsciously, I was rejecting myself first

0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:28.120
<v Speaker 1>and taking myself out of the situation before any man

0:53:28.200 --> 0:53:32.680
<v Speaker 1>could reject me. Thanks childhood conditioning. Anyway, I see things

0:53:32.680 --> 0:53:36.160
<v Speaker 1>through a different, more open hearted lens. Now in December

0:53:36.239 --> 0:53:38.880
<v Speaker 1>he reached back out. This is like two months after

0:53:39.120 --> 0:53:42.080
<v Speaker 1>they had originally gone out. With this new and open mind,

0:53:42.160 --> 0:53:44.439
<v Speaker 1>I decided to meet him for coffee a few weeks ago.

0:53:44.920 --> 0:53:47.440
<v Speaker 1>I had such a fun time with him. He's easy

0:53:47.480 --> 0:53:50.880
<v Speaker 1>to talk to where both spiritual sit with plant medicine

0:53:51.200 --> 0:53:54.240
<v Speaker 1>really into evolving, and it's really meaningful to have someone

0:53:54.239 --> 0:53:56.880
<v Speaker 1>to relate to those things about. We ended up talking

0:53:56.880 --> 0:53:59.319
<v Speaker 1>on the phone for over an hour after the coffee hang.

0:54:00.080 --> 0:54:02.279
<v Speaker 1>The problem is, now I'm sure he sees me as

0:54:02.360 --> 0:54:05.560
<v Speaker 1>just friendship vibes because I previously told him I wasn't interested.

0:54:06.040 --> 0:54:08.360
<v Speaker 1>Now I'm feeling interested and having the option of this

0:54:08.440 --> 0:54:11.200
<v Speaker 1>getting romantic down the line, and definitely want to make

0:54:11.239 --> 0:54:14.320
<v Speaker 1>out with him. However, even though I do find him attractive,

0:54:14.520 --> 0:54:17.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm not entirely certain if I'm fully physically attracted to

0:54:17.320 --> 0:54:20.279
<v Speaker 1>him or not. If that makes sense, The question is

0:54:20.480 --> 0:54:22.800
<v Speaker 1>do I say something to him about how I'm feeling

0:54:22.840 --> 0:54:24.799
<v Speaker 1>even though I don't know if I'm one hundred percent

0:54:24.880 --> 0:54:27.160
<v Speaker 1>into it or not, or just go about being friends

0:54:27.200 --> 0:54:30.080
<v Speaker 1>and leave it alone. Who knows what may happen organically.

0:54:30.600 --> 0:54:33.320
<v Speaker 1>I love you all. This podcast is the fucking best, Chelsea.

0:54:33.360 --> 0:54:38.080
<v Speaker 1>Your new Netflix special is Bunker's hilarious. Farren, Hi, Farren, Hi,

0:54:38.160 --> 0:54:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Farren Hi, thanks for having me. How are you? I'm good?

0:54:44.800 --> 0:54:48.640
<v Speaker 1>How are you guys? We're good? Girl. I think you

0:54:48.680 --> 0:54:51.000
<v Speaker 1>should go for it and just ask him like, this

0:54:51.080 --> 0:54:53.680
<v Speaker 1>is a little life situation that could turn into something great,

0:54:53.800 --> 0:54:55.600
<v Speaker 1>or it could just be a blip. You're not trying

0:54:55.600 --> 0:54:59.120
<v Speaker 1>to pursue a friendship right with him. I would so

0:54:59.520 --> 0:55:03.840
<v Speaker 1>previous I would pursue men or text or try to

0:55:03.840 --> 0:55:05.640
<v Speaker 1>make plans, but it was coming from a very like

0:55:05.760 --> 0:55:10.200
<v Speaker 1>scarcity mindset anxiety place. And now I am really looking

0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:13.640
<v Speaker 1>to be pursued, and I would continue to be friends

0:55:13.680 --> 0:55:16.719
<v Speaker 1>with him because it's nice to be able to have

0:55:16.840 --> 0:55:19.239
<v Speaker 1>these kind of deep conversations with someone and be able

0:55:19.280 --> 0:55:22.800
<v Speaker 1>to integrate with somebody who's on a spiritual path as well.

0:55:23.280 --> 0:55:25.680
<v Speaker 1>I would risk it too, but I don't want to

0:55:25.719 --> 0:55:28.799
<v Speaker 1>be in a position where I'm doing that again, kind

0:55:28.840 --> 0:55:31.960
<v Speaker 1>of pursuing, because that's not the look I want. I

0:55:32.040 --> 0:55:34.120
<v Speaker 1>don't think you are, though, I don't think you are.

0:55:34.280 --> 0:55:37.040
<v Speaker 1>You're judging yourself on your past behavior, not on your

0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:40.839
<v Speaker 1>present behavior. You don't have to be desperate about it.

0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:43.520
<v Speaker 1>You have to just be upfront, like hey, I actually

0:55:43.600 --> 0:55:45.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of had like a little spark, or when you

0:55:45.920 --> 0:55:48.040
<v Speaker 1>go out again and you know, have a drink and

0:55:48.080 --> 0:55:51.120
<v Speaker 1>then see if that changes things, and you can say

0:55:51.160 --> 0:55:53.759
<v Speaker 1>it in person, just like, hey, I'm feeling something. I

0:55:53.760 --> 0:55:55.759
<v Speaker 1>don't know if this is anything, but what about what

0:55:55.800 --> 0:55:59.000
<v Speaker 1>do you think? That's not desperate, that's just being direct.

0:55:59.400 --> 0:56:02.400
<v Speaker 1>So sure you know the distinction between the two because

0:56:02.560 --> 0:56:07.560
<v Speaker 1>your old behavior isn't relevant to this situation. We get

0:56:07.560 --> 0:56:10.120
<v Speaker 1>caught up in our past behavior instead of saying I'm

0:56:10.120 --> 0:56:14.120
<v Speaker 1>not like that anymore. Yeah. I also think there are

0:56:14.280 --> 0:56:18.480
<v Speaker 1>extraordinarily few straight guys who, especially after they've expressed interest

0:56:18.520 --> 0:56:21.719
<v Speaker 1>in a girl, are willing to hang out just as

0:56:21.760 --> 0:56:24.239
<v Speaker 1>friends if they're not eventually trying to sleep with her. Like,

0:56:24.360 --> 0:56:28.200
<v Speaker 1>I am sure he's still interested. Yeah, I am too.

0:56:28.239 --> 0:56:30.760
<v Speaker 1>I would be shocked if he's not. And if he wasn't,

0:56:30.800 --> 0:56:33.040
<v Speaker 1>he wouldn't be going to coffee, you know, he just wouldn't.

0:56:33.080 --> 0:56:35.960
<v Speaker 1>He'd be like cool, Like just friends usually means like

0:56:36.000 --> 0:56:38.600
<v Speaker 1>call'll never see you again, especially with online dating. So

0:56:39.040 --> 0:56:40.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you have to worry about like, oh

0:56:40.880 --> 0:56:43.959
<v Speaker 1>now he sees me as just a friend. Now, flirt hard,

0:56:44.480 --> 0:56:47.239
<v Speaker 1>tell him you're into him. See what happens? How do

0:56:47.280 --> 0:56:52.520
<v Speaker 1>you flirt hard? Touching on the hand, touching on the arm,

0:56:52.600 --> 0:56:54.439
<v Speaker 1>basically what I do with Chelsea when we're in person.

0:56:54.520 --> 0:56:59.759
<v Speaker 1>I just touch her. I mean, yeah, just go. That

0:56:59.840 --> 0:57:03.160
<v Speaker 1>was such a fun conversation. I really dug it, you know,

0:57:03.280 --> 0:57:05.080
<v Speaker 1>or whatever your language is, you know what I mean?

0:57:05.200 --> 0:57:07.480
<v Speaker 1>How just go? That was really fun. I was kind

0:57:07.480 --> 0:57:10.040
<v Speaker 1>of surprised by how I felt when I left there.

0:57:10.440 --> 0:57:13.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Are you interested even if he says no,

0:57:13.239 --> 0:57:17.680
<v Speaker 1>what she's not going to If he says no, who cares? Great, Okay,

0:57:17.760 --> 0:57:19.560
<v Speaker 1>check that, and then you can be friends with him

0:57:19.600 --> 0:57:22.280
<v Speaker 1>if that's fine with you. But it's not a big deal.

0:57:22.680 --> 0:57:27.439
<v Speaker 1>It's a good exercise as a woman to demonstrate directness

0:57:27.840 --> 0:57:30.520
<v Speaker 1>and in a gentle, you know, kind of sexy way.

0:57:30.840 --> 0:57:33.720
<v Speaker 1>You can be flirty about it, and then that's your

0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:36.200
<v Speaker 1>new thing. Say he says no, then it's like, okay, great,

0:57:36.240 --> 0:57:38.320
<v Speaker 1>well we can still be friends, you know what I mean.

0:57:38.400 --> 0:57:40.560
<v Speaker 1>And then you can if you want, and if not,

0:57:41.080 --> 0:57:43.600
<v Speaker 1>something might happen with you, guys. And the other option

0:57:43.680 --> 0:57:45.360
<v Speaker 1>is that you know you will like him and that

0:57:45.440 --> 0:57:49.000
<v Speaker 1>you are attracted to him. It's totally normal to gain

0:57:49.040 --> 0:57:51.640
<v Speaker 1>attraction to somebody talking to them more, you know, and

0:57:51.760 --> 0:57:55.440
<v Speaker 1>having a real deep, meaningful conversation. Yeah. Yeah, And I

0:57:55.480 --> 0:57:57.439
<v Speaker 1>know you had mentioned that he is out of town,

0:57:57.520 --> 0:58:00.360
<v Speaker 1>so you hadn't heard from him. But it's also liked vibe,

0:58:00.360 --> 0:58:02.680
<v Speaker 1>So why would he like make the next move be

0:58:02.760 --> 0:58:04.440
<v Speaker 1>the next one to be like, hey, let's go out again,

0:58:04.480 --> 0:58:06.760
<v Speaker 1>maybe let's grab a cocktail that will make it a

0:58:06.960 --> 0:58:11.000
<v Speaker 1>easier to flirt as well. We both don't drink. Oh well,

0:58:11.000 --> 0:58:12.200
<v Speaker 1>then don't grab a car. I knew you were going

0:58:12.280 --> 0:58:14.040
<v Speaker 1>to say that. I knew it when I said drink

0:58:14.040 --> 0:58:15.720
<v Speaker 1>the first time. I could sell by your face that

0:58:15.760 --> 0:58:18.040
<v Speaker 1>you don't drink. But that's okay. You don't need to drink.

0:58:18.080 --> 0:58:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Go do whatever you do. What do you does? Go

0:58:22.040 --> 0:58:25.560
<v Speaker 1>to coffee, yoga? What are you into? Yeah? I mean

0:58:25.840 --> 0:58:27.720
<v Speaker 1>I was trying to think of like a night setting

0:58:27.720 --> 0:58:30.640
<v Speaker 1>where it could be a little bit more of a vibe,

0:58:30.920 --> 0:58:34.160
<v Speaker 1>but not a bar. We'll go listen to some live

0:58:34.280 --> 0:58:37.080
<v Speaker 1>music or something, or even if you go for a

0:58:37.120 --> 0:58:39.439
<v Speaker 1>walk with somebody for a long time. I think once

0:58:39.480 --> 0:58:43.800
<v Speaker 1>you have a substantial conversation with somebody, there's that is

0:58:43.840 --> 0:58:47.920
<v Speaker 1>the definition of chemistry, right, And whether it's romantic or friendship,

0:58:47.960 --> 0:58:50.320
<v Speaker 1>you already have the chemistry there between each other if

0:58:50.320 --> 0:58:52.440
<v Speaker 1>you guys sat and talked for that long and then

0:58:52.480 --> 0:58:56.919
<v Speaker 1>called each other afterward. Yeah, you can also like wait

0:58:56.960 --> 0:58:59.080
<v Speaker 1>a time or two if you're not quite ready to

0:58:59.080 --> 0:59:01.439
<v Speaker 1>be like, hey, I'm super into wait a time or two,

0:59:01.760 --> 0:59:04.320
<v Speaker 1>see if the vibe sticks and take it from there.

0:59:04.480 --> 0:59:07.280
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, if you're feeling something, pursue it. You know,

0:59:07.520 --> 0:59:10.640
<v Speaker 1>I agree with Chelsea, like attraction grows. Yeah, don't put

0:59:10.680 --> 0:59:13.600
<v Speaker 1>so much weight on this situation. This is one guy

0:59:13.680 --> 0:59:15.640
<v Speaker 1>in a sea of and this is one moment in

0:59:15.640 --> 0:59:17.480
<v Speaker 1>your life. This is not the end all be all,

0:59:17.800 --> 0:59:22.040
<v Speaker 1>So don't think about as such an important thing. It's not.

0:59:22.640 --> 0:59:25.360
<v Speaker 1>And if it's supposed to be something and it grows

0:59:25.360 --> 0:59:27.800
<v Speaker 1>into something, then you're going to be really happy that

0:59:27.840 --> 0:59:31.400
<v Speaker 1>you did that. Thank you for the clarity. That was awesome.

0:59:31.960 --> 0:59:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, okay, great, good luck and let us know

0:59:34.480 --> 0:59:38.520
<v Speaker 1>what happens. Thanks so much, thank you. Okay, bye, Farren,

0:59:38.600 --> 0:59:42.840
<v Speaker 1>happy dating. Bye, She's so cute. I know, I wish

0:59:42.840 --> 0:59:44.760
<v Speaker 1>everyone just go for it. Everyone needs to just go

0:59:44.840 --> 0:59:48.200
<v Speaker 1>for things. Take a chance, take a risk. It doesn't matter.

0:59:48.720 --> 0:59:51.000
<v Speaker 1>So if somebody rejects you, who gives a shit, It's

0:59:51.040 --> 0:59:54.520
<v Speaker 1>like onto the next YEP. I when I was in

0:59:54.560 --> 0:59:58.560
<v Speaker 1>my early twenties or my late teens, I guess I

0:59:58.600 --> 1:00:00.160
<v Speaker 1>went through up here and where I just like, I'll like,

1:00:00.160 --> 1:00:01.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna ask out every guy that I find

1:00:01.880 --> 1:00:03.640
<v Speaker 1>is cute. Half of them turned out to be gay,

1:00:03.640 --> 1:00:05.600
<v Speaker 1>which was like even better because then I made a

1:00:05.600 --> 1:00:07.400
<v Speaker 1>bunch of friends. But I was just like, I'm just

1:00:07.400 --> 1:00:09.400
<v Speaker 1>gonna ask people out to coffee. And it was just

1:00:09.680 --> 1:00:12.240
<v Speaker 1>so much fun just to be like, hey, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>take control of this. It was great. Yeah. Great. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's take a quick break, Chelsea, and we'll come back

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<v Speaker 1>to wrap up. Okay, and we're back back, and actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I do have one other quick question. Yeah, let's do

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<v Speaker 1>a quick question. Okay, I will give you a choice

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't know if this one's a little too igy.

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<v Speaker 1>But there is one about skid marks. And there is

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<v Speaker 1>also another one about should I tell the wife if

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<v Speaker 1>someone said something lude to me skid marks? Questions about

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<v Speaker 1>skid marks? Yeah, but what's the question? So her boyfriend

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<v Speaker 1>is leaving skid marks everywhere? Oh god, no, do the

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<v Speaker 1>other one. I can't. That's the kind of what I figured.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, it's pretty gross. Oh gross. She's wondering

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<v Speaker 1>if it's a deal breaker. I'm like, it's yeah, sort of, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of okay, leaving them everywhere where in the kitchen,

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<v Speaker 1>like where's the leaving? Don't just read it all right,

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<v Speaker 1>but let's do the other one to close it out,

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<v Speaker 1>because this is so gross. Okay, so Poppy says My

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<v Speaker 1>boyfriend and I have been in a long distance relationship

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<v Speaker 1>for the last three years. Thank god. We're both in

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<v Speaker 1>our early timid thirties and are planning our future together.

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<v Speaker 1>He's my best friend, true partner, and biggest supporter. I

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<v Speaker 1>can talk to him about anything and can be one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred percent myself around him. But I need help navigating

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<v Speaker 1>a delicate situation. My boyfriend constantly leaves poops kid marks

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<v Speaker 1>around the house. I understand if this happens after anal play,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's not around the house. What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Goes into it. It's worse than you think. No. I

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<v Speaker 1>the first time it happened, it was over a year ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I noticed a smell and saw marks on the sheets

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<v Speaker 1>out of the corner of my eye. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>what it was at first and asked, what's that. When

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<v Speaker 1>he saw what it was, he got super embarrassed and

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<v Speaker 1>apologized profusely. I, of course was understanding. It didn't draw

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<v Speaker 1>extra attention or make the situation worse. I simply changed

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<v Speaker 1>the sheets while he was in the bathroom cleaning himself up.

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<v Speaker 1>The same thing happened during his next visit, but this

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<v Speaker 1>time it got on my expensive duvet. I was grossed

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<v Speaker 1>out and ended up buying a new one. Another time,

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<v Speaker 1>he got a mark on my new couch one week

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<v Speaker 1>after purchasing it. There are sitting naked on the couch.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I can't get past. I'm like, he's got

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<v Speaker 1>to put on some underwear. First of all, he needs

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<v Speaker 1>to put on two pairs of underwear. There are now

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<v Speaker 1>countless examples of this happening, and I can't take it anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>The situation has started to impact our sex life. Anytime

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<v Speaker 1>his crotches near my face during BJ sixty ninety sexy

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<v Speaker 1>dancing during four play, I am thinking about his poop

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<v Speaker 1>and get turned off. Okay, Chelsea, it is so so disturbing.

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<v Speaker 1>He has something's wrong. He has to go. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>I learned this. There are two sphincter holes. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>I've learned this on a gay video about anal sex.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some sort of medical condition for what's happening to him.

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<v Speaker 1>He shouldn't be leaving skid marks everywhere he goes. You

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<v Speaker 1>have to have it honest conversation with him and nip

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<v Speaker 1>it in the butt. This is so gross and no

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<v Speaker 1>one needs to deal with skid marks other than the

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<v Speaker 1>person who's leaving them, you know what I mean. Of

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<v Speaker 1>course it's affecting your sex life. Of course, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>sixty nine somebody if you think there's ship coming out

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<v Speaker 1>of their asshole. Fuck. I also want to know what

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<v Speaker 1>sexy dancing has his asked near your face. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>really excited about that, So I agree. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 1>you've had a conversation about like are you wiping appropriately?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you could just like leave some cottonelle wipes

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<v Speaker 1>in the bathroom that might help to but you do

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<v Speaker 1>have to talk about it. Yes, you have to tell him.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter if he's embarrassed. It's about fixing the

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<v Speaker 1>problem because there could be like some sort of reason

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<v Speaker 1>for this, and I think it there is because it's

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<v Speaker 1>not natural or he's not wiping properly. Yeah, but I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like if he's not wiping properly, then he wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be that embarrassed. Like maybe it is like a little

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<v Speaker 1>league medical issue. Oh you know, like maybe he's wiping fine,

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<v Speaker 1>but then he's got a little leak happening, so he

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<v Speaker 1>should talk to his doctor for sure. Yeah. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of doctor. I don't know about assholes. Well, Poppy,

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<v Speaker 1>We wish you the best of luck. And also, just like,

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<v Speaker 1>have your boyfriend put on underwear in your house while

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<v Speaker 1>you're having sex, make him wear underwear while you're having sex.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe up a shower before four play? Yeah, to be

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<v Speaker 1>washing his asshole all the time. Maybe only shower sex

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<v Speaker 1>from now on? Can we end on a better note

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<v Speaker 1>than this? Do you have another one? We can't? Chelsea?

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<v Speaker 1>That was upsetting for her. I'm sorry, No, I'm so sorry. Okay, So,

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<v Speaker 1>dear Chelsea, I'm a big fan here. I'm a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nine year old female working as a waitress. I waited

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<v Speaker 1>recently on an older couple sixty five or seventy five

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<v Speaker 1>years old, and they seem normal. But when the wife

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<v Speaker 1>stepped outside to take a phone call, the husband or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe he was her friend or brother, there's no way

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<v Speaker 1>to know, got weird. He called me over to ask

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<v Speaker 1>me a question, but then decided not to. Okay, weird

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<v Speaker 1>but whatever. Then he continued to stare at me as

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<v Speaker 1>I was cleaning and waiting on the surrounding tables. The

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<v Speaker 1>wife returns, she pays, and he goes to the bathroom.

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<v Speaker 1>When he returned, I was at the computer putting in

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<v Speaker 1>an order when he got too close for comfort and

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<v Speaker 1>whispered something so vulgar to me it stopped me in

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<v Speaker 1>my tracks. All I could do was wave him away,

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<v Speaker 1>as I'm not a confrontational person and the owner of

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<v Speaker 1>the restaurant was sitting at the bar. They left shortly after.

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<v Speaker 1>As I was cleaning the perverts table, I noticed that

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<v Speaker 1>his wife, question Mark, had filled out the receipt to

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<v Speaker 1>sign up for our rewards program with her email. My

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<v Speaker 1>question is should I make a fake email and contact

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<v Speaker 1>her to tell her this guy as a sicko and

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<v Speaker 1>as a worthless pile of trash. I know it won't

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<v Speaker 1>really do anything, but god, it would feel so good.

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<v Speaker 1>This type of thing hasn't happened since I was twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>and I always said if it happened again, I would

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<v Speaker 1>ruin their day. And I bitched out again. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's the worst part. What should I do? Emily? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it sounds like you're going to have an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to say something to his face, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's the move, not saying something to his wife, because

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<v Speaker 1>what's the point of that. That's kind of a cop

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<v Speaker 1>out too, emailing her anonymously. I mean, ay, that's inappropriate.

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<v Speaker 1>He can't talk to you like that. Whatever he said

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<v Speaker 1>that was vulgar is not appropriate. And so I think

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<v Speaker 1>if they signed up for your rewards program, you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to see him again, and I think you should get

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<v Speaker 1>it straight in your head exactly what you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>say the next time, and also just don't wait on

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<v Speaker 1>them again. But I don't think you need to get

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<v Speaker 1>involved with their marriage. I mean, he's gross, he's probably

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<v Speaker 1>been gross for a long time and she probably does know. No,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a good point. But if it does happen again

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<v Speaker 1>in person, just get something ready to say, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you could say it in front of him and his

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<v Speaker 1>wife if you want to, or you can say it

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<v Speaker 1>to him, or you can talk to your manager about

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<v Speaker 1>what you're going to say, and that you don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to wait on them. I know what it feels like

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<v Speaker 1>to cop out and not say the thing that you

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<v Speaker 1>want to say and defend yourself. I think you just

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<v Speaker 1>have to wait for the moment to arise again, and

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of sounds like it will, unfortunately, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you can say something, Yeah, agreed. I would talk to

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<v Speaker 1>your manager and let them know what happened, and your

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<v Speaker 1>manager might say fine, then we'll ask them to leave

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<v Speaker 1>next time they come. But I think there's nothing wrong

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<v Speaker 1>with if someone whispers something shitty in your ear, saying

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<v Speaker 1>loudly to them that like, that's not appropriate and I

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<v Speaker 1>can't believe you said it to me, and please leave,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it's your workplace. But also like giving your

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<v Speaker 1>manager a heads up about that ahead of time will

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<v Speaker 1>probably save your ass a little bit with them. All right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>Chelsea Catherine, we did the Lord's work today. Yeah, God, God,

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm going to go ski and just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just let let this all roll off my back like

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<v Speaker 1>a water with duck or whatever the fuck that's saying

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<v Speaker 1>is exactly water off a duck's back, exactly precisely, Doc

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<v Speaker 1>Doc Bucks, Bye bye. Don't forget to watch my special

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<v Speaker 1>on Netflix, you guys. Revolution. It's a revolution. Also, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going back on tour. Everybody, I have a new tour.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called a little big Bitch because I'm a little

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<v Speaker 1>big bitch and I always have been. Sometimes well now

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a big little bitch. No, I'm still a little

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<v Speaker 1>big bitch. Whatever. Anyway, I'm going back on tour. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>warming up my new one hour that I have to

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<v Speaker 1>create from scratch, but I have some very strong ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be at Zaney's Nashville March twenty nine through Sunday,

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<v Speaker 1>April six, and then Irvine improv and then I have

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<v Speaker 1>dates theater dates everywhere from Peoria, Illinois, Carmel, Calluma, Zoo, Spokane, Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>Boys Idaho, Vegas, Highland, California, Tulsa, Oklahoma, and more and

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<v Speaker 1>more and more. So go to Chelseamlo dot com for tickets.

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<v Speaker 1>A note on our segment calling in Backup with Better Help.

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<v Speaker 1>David Yadish's input is general psychological information based on research

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<v Speaker 1>and experience. It's intended to be general and informational in nature.

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<v Speaker 1>It does not represent or indicate an established clinical or

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<v Speaker 1>professional relationship with those inquiring for guidance. David's feedback is

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<v Speaker 1>in response to a written question, and therefore there are

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<v Speaker 1>likely unknown considerations given the limited context. Also, just because

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<v Speaker 1>you might hear something on the show that sounds similar

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<v Speaker 1>to what you're experiencing, beware of self diagnosis. Diagnosis is

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<v Speaker 1>not required to find relief, and you'll want to find

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<v Speaker 1>a qualified professional to assess and to explore diagnoses if

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<v Speaker 1>that's important to you If you or your partner are

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<v Speaker 1>in crisis and uncertain of whether you can maintain safety,

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<v Speaker 1>please reach out for support to crisis hotlines or local

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<v Speaker 1>authorities have a safety plan and that can be done

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<v Speaker 1>with a therapist too, So if you'd like advice from Chelsea,

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<v Speaker 1>just send us an email at Dear Chelsea podcast at

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<v Speaker 1>gmail dot com. Dear Chelsea is a production of iHeartRadio,

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