WEBVTT - Brook | Betrayal Weekly 

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<v Speaker 1>I went down to DC thinking that I was making

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<v Speaker 1>a parenting plan, and I came back with business cards

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<v Speaker 1>for investigators and victims assistance phone numbers in my luggage,

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<v Speaker 1>doubting who I knew for the last five years.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Andrea Gunning, and this is Betrayal, a show about

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<v Speaker 2>the people we trust the most and the deceptions that

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<v Speaker 2>change everything. Betrayal Weekly is officially back for season two.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether you've been with us from the beginning or you're

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<v Speaker 2>just tuning in, welcome this season. We're bringing you some

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<v Speaker 2>of our most riveting, emotional, and unforgettable stories yet, starting

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<v Speaker 2>with this one.

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<v Speaker 1>So I had been married for eleven years. It was

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<v Speaker 1>very shocking to me what little independence I had so

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<v Speaker 1>easily fallen into. And I didn't want to be like that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Brook Fisk. She's an ICU nurse from upstate New York.

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<v Speaker 2>When she was thirty two, she divorced her first husband

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<v Speaker 2>and started over.

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<v Speaker 1>The first couple of months were scary and lonely. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I would come home from work and the house would

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<v Speaker 1>be empty because the kids would be at their dads

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<v Speaker 1>and it would be quiet, and I would sit down

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<v Speaker 1>in the kitchen and look around and not know what

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<v Speaker 1>to do with myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Brooke was a newly single mother of two, sharing custody

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<v Speaker 2>with her ex. This transition made her painfully aware of

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<v Speaker 2>how much she sacrificed in her marriage. She wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>rebuild a life where she was in control.

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<v Speaker 1>So when I got divorced, really my focus for that

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<v Speaker 1>first year was to become independent and maintain my independence,

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<v Speaker 1>and I really thrived at that.

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<v Speaker 2>She bought a small house and fixed it up on

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<v Speaker 2>her own.

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<v Speaker 1>I would watch YouTube videos on how to fix things

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<v Speaker 1>and how to maintain things, and it was very empowering

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<v Speaker 1>figuring out how to do that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>When she started dating again, she was careful her kids

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<v Speaker 2>had already been through enough change.

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<v Speaker 1>I was on dating apps and I would meet people

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<v Speaker 1>and go on dates and have a lot of fun

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<v Speaker 1>with that. But whenever it got to the point of

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<v Speaker 1>somebody wanting to get serious, I think that it would

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<v Speaker 1>scare me and I would back right off.

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't want a boyfriend, and she definitely didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to get married again. If she was looking for anything,

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<v Speaker 2>it was just someone to go on dates with. Her

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<v Speaker 2>life was busy enough with her two kids and a

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<v Speaker 2>demanding job in the ICU.

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<v Speaker 1>I worked nights and it was an incredible experience. I

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<v Speaker 1>loved working in the ICU. I loved being able to

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<v Speaker 1>really impact people's lives.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where she met a medical resident.

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<v Speaker 1>So his full name was Secunder am Ron, but I

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<v Speaker 1>called him Sick. A lot of his friends called him Sick.

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<v Speaker 2>One day, she was called into a room with Sick

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<v Speaker 2>and another doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>They were talking about the patient's heart rate and he said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>his heart rates up now, it must be because this

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<v Speaker 1>nurse is in his room.

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<v Speaker 2>He was talking about Brooke. He shot Brooke a small le.

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<v Speaker 1>Which was funny and flirtatious and maybe a little inappropriate

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, but yeah, that was the first time

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<v Speaker 1>I remember meeting him.

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<v Speaker 2>A few weeks later, Brooke was working the night shift

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<v Speaker 2>with Sick when he asked her to help with the patient,

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<v Speaker 2>and once the patient fell asleep, Brooke and Sick got

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<v Speaker 2>to chatting.

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<v Speaker 1>At the end of our conversation, he asked me if

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<v Speaker 1>I would like to go out with him, and I

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<v Speaker 1>said that I don't date doctors. He said ever, and

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<v Speaker 1>I said, no, I don't date doctors. I have a

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<v Speaker 1>rule against it. And he said, well, let me know

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<v Speaker 1>if you change your mind. And after he left the room,

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<v Speaker 1>the patient, who I thought was sleeping, opened her eyes

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<v Speaker 1>and she pointed at me. She had a trike so

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<v Speaker 1>she couldn't talk, but she mouthed the words that man

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<v Speaker 1>is for you. And I laughed and I said, no,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not, and she said, yes he is.

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<v Speaker 2>Brooke didn't like the stereotype about doctors and nurses hooking.

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<v Speaker 1>Up, you know, the nurse and the doctors sneak off

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<v Speaker 1>into a supply closet, because that's what's depicted on Gray's anatomy.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why she had the rule no dating doctors. But

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<v Speaker 2>after a few weeks of flirtation, he won her over.

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<v Speaker 2>She took his number and decided that just this once,

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<v Speaker 2>she could break her rule. They started with an ice

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<v Speaker 2>cream date, then long walks and dinners at his apartment.

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<v Speaker 1>We really developed kind of a friendship first kind of relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>so we would spend a lot of time watching movies,

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<v Speaker 1>going to movies. I taught him how to cook rice

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<v Speaker 1>American style. I don't think either of us realized at

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<v Speaker 1>the time how much closer we were getting while we

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<v Speaker 1>were doing those casual things. So that fall we went

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<v Speaker 1>out a couple of times and we started talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, where he came from, what my background was,

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<v Speaker 1>and I knew that he had come for residency from Pakistan.

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<v Speaker 2>He came from a family of doctors. In fact, his

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<v Speaker 2>dad had owned a hospital in Pakistan. Like his older brother,

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<v Speaker 2>Sick wanted to stay in the US and practice medicine here.

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<v Speaker 1>Where he grew up. Men and women didn't do public

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<v Speaker 1>displays of affection. And I remember the first time that

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<v Speaker 1>he held my hand in public. He was so awkward

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<v Speaker 1>about it, and I was like, what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you holding my hand in public? You know, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of joking with him, and he was like, yeah, I am,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was so nervous about it.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a real connection between them, but that didn't

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<v Speaker 2>change Brooke's feelings about commitment.

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<v Speaker 1>I was honest with him that I really wasn't looking

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<v Speaker 1>for any kind of a relationship. That I have kids

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<v Speaker 1>at home and they're my first priority. He knew that

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<v Speaker 1>I would only go out with him when my kids

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<v Speaker 1>were with their dad, and he was accepting of that.

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<v Speaker 1>He also said that he wasn't looking to get into

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<v Speaker 1>a relationship or get married either.

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<v Speaker 2>Regardless of what he said, Brooke could tell he was trying.

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<v Speaker 1>He would always pay attention and notice details. He would

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<v Speaker 1>notice how I took my coffee and make an effort

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<v Speaker 1>to prepare it for me that way. He knew which

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<v Speaker 1>ice cream flavors I liked, at which dessert restaurants. He

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<v Speaker 1>was logical and thoughtful and funny and caring.

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<v Speaker 2>After six months of dating, they realized that what was

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<v Speaker 2>happening here was more than just a casual fling.

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<v Speaker 1>It was probably late the next spring that he looked

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<v Speaker 1>at me and he said, do you consider me your boyfriend?

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<v Speaker 1>And I hadn't even thought about it, and I said, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I do. Is that okay?

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<v Speaker 2>It was definitely okay with him. Once they became official,

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<v Speaker 2>they kept things quiet at work.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of our coworkers knew that we were together,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was just kind of a thing that nobody

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<v Speaker 1>really talked about. Occasionally someone would say, oh, I saw

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<v Speaker 1>your boyfriend, but I would say, oh, do you mean

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Imron.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, outside the hospital. They built a rhythm. When

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<v Speaker 2>Brooks kids were with their dad, she and Sick planned

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<v Speaker 2>romantic dinners and weekend getaways.

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<v Speaker 1>We loved to go on trips. What we really liked

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<v Speaker 1>to do is go to vacation spots and find the

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<v Speaker 1>foods that they were famous for.

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<v Speaker 2>It started with an impromptu road trip to Chicago. Sick

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<v Speaker 2>drove with Brooke asleep in the passenger seat.

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<v Speaker 1>And I remember him waking me up as we were

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<v Speaker 1>kind of driving into Chicago. It was nighttime and Chicago

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<v Speaker 1>was let up. A lot of the buildings had purple

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<v Speaker 1>lights on them for some reason. And he woke me

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<v Speaker 1>up and he said, look, I called Chicago and had

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<v Speaker 1>them light the buildings up purple for you, because he

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<v Speaker 1>knew that I liked purple.

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<v Speaker 2>That weekend, they didn't have a plan. They just explored

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<v Speaker 2>their way through the city.

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<v Speaker 1>We found this really awesome restaurant that had Kastani food

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<v Speaker 1>and they were open all night. We went there at

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<v Speaker 1>like one o'clock in the morning, in this hole in

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<v Speaker 1>the wall restaurant, and it was the most amazing food.

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<v Speaker 2>Next they went to New Orleans.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though I donate me, we ate alligator, it was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>Back home in New York, they weren't living together, but

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<v Speaker 2>they were in each other's lives in real, tangible ways.

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<v Speaker 2>About two years into dating, Sick came to her with

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<v Speaker 2>a proposition.

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<v Speaker 1>He moved out of his apartment and into a townhouse,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had said at one point that he thought

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<v Speaker 1>that I would come and live with him, and I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't come live with you. I have kids, and

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<v Speaker 1>he said, well, you can just stay here when your

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<v Speaker 1>kids aren't home, and I said that's fine. And at

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<v Speaker 1>that point we had a conversation about how we really

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<v Speaker 1>liked the life we had together, and we liked being

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<v Speaker 1>together when we could be together, but that neither of

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<v Speaker 1>us were really passionate about wanting to get married.

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<v Speaker 2>Still, Brooke had been careful about boundaries from the very beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>especially when it came to her kids.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, there was a lot of hesitancy about introducing

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<v Speaker 1>someone to my kids, so there was a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of integration, but not a lot. We all went to

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<v Speaker 1>the movies together a couple of times, and he came

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<v Speaker 1>over for dinner a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 2>Her kids really took to sick and enjoyed having him around.

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<v Speaker 2>After that, he wanted Brooke to meet his family.

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<v Speaker 1>His mom came to town and he asked me if

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<v Speaker 1>I would meet her, and she invited me for lunch

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<v Speaker 1>and tea. So I went over and we had a

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<v Speaker 1>really nice afternoon together and we ended up talking about love.

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<v Speaker 2>Sick was at work, so it was just Broken his mom,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was clearly a wink and a nod to

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation because Sick hadn't been completely honest with his mom.

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<v Speaker 1>Sick had told her that I was his friend. But

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<v Speaker 1>she's a mom and she's not dumb, so I think

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<v Speaker 1>she knew what was going on. She asked me what

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<v Speaker 1>I thought about arranged marriage and if I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was good or if I thought love marriages were better,

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<v Speaker 1>And we had a nice conversation about love, and she

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<v Speaker 1>told me about meeting six Dad and their marriage. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get any sense of disapproval from her at all.

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<v Speaker 1>She was very kind to me.

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<v Speaker 2>The meeting went so well. Broken Six moms started sending

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<v Speaker 2>letters and care packages back and forth, which made Sick

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<v Speaker 2>a little nervous.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember him being a little bit like, she's going

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<v Speaker 1>to know, She's going to know, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think she already knows.

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<v Speaker 2>Brooke didn't see the big deal, but for Sick, his

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<v Speaker 2>family expectations mattered, especially when he came to marriage.

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<v Speaker 1>He talked about feeling like there was an expectation on

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<v Speaker 1>him to marry a Pakistani girl. And his family wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>accept him marrying a white girl. And I asked him, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what if you just don't get married, would that be okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Would your family accept that? And he said I think so.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, well, okay, let's do that. Then let's

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<v Speaker 1>just not get married.

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<v Speaker 2>Their agreement worked for almost four years, but when six

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<v Speaker 2>residency ended, there were relationship hit across roads. He started

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<v Speaker 2>applying to Fellowship programs across the country.

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<v Speaker 1>We actually went to a couple of different places. We

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<v Speaker 1>took a little road trip around for him to look

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<v Speaker 1>at them and interview.

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<v Speaker 2>The program he really wanted to go to was in DC,

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<v Speaker 2>a six hour drive from upstate New York. Brooke made

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<v Speaker 2>it clear that relocating wasn't an option for her family.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that trying to have a long distance

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<v Speaker 1>relationship is a good idea, especially given that I have

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<v Speaker 1>kids and he's going to be living states away. And

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<v Speaker 1>he acknowledged that, and we had a couple of conversations

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<v Speaker 1>about it, but ultimately he decided that it was important

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<v Speaker 1>for him to go to this program. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>program that his brother had done, so it was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a family legacy.

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<v Speaker 2>It was bittersweet, but Brooks supported sick if he wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to start his career in America. This really was for

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<v Speaker 2>the best.

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<v Speaker 1>I was very happy for him, congratulated him. I bought

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<v Speaker 1>him a cake and helped him start looking for places

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<v Speaker 1>to buy down there, and helped him paint it and

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<v Speaker 1>helped him pick out furniture and decorate it. And then,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we kind of said goodbye after that, But

0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:35.520
<v Speaker 1>of course goodbye wasn't really goodbye, as often happens in

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<v Speaker 1>these relationships.

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<v Speaker 2>They knew they had an expiration date, but they were

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<v Speaker 2>having a hard time letting go.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember walking into the airport with tears streaming down

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<v Speaker 1>my face, bawling after saying goodbye to him, and Tshent

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<v Speaker 1>came up to me and she said, are you okay?

0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:00.720
<v Speaker 1>And I said, yeah, I just said goodbye to my boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm sure she thought something was horribly wrong, just

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<v Speaker 1>from the amount that I was crying. We said a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of good byes that year.

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<v Speaker 2>This began a new era of their relationship, one where

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<v Speaker 2>they kept finding their way back to each other weekend

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<v Speaker 2>by weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>We weren't in a relationship, we were not together, but

0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:25.240
<v Speaker 1>what we would end up doing is anytime either one

0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:30.960
<v Speaker 1>of us had like a long weekend free, or if

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<v Speaker 1>it was one of our birthdays, we would take a

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<v Speaker 1>little trip together.

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<v Speaker 2>For her thirty seventh birthday, Sick planned a trip to

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<v Speaker 2>the Poconots.

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<v Speaker 1>We stayed at a bed and breakfast up in the mountains, fireplace,

0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:55.280
<v Speaker 1>woody romantic get away, candle at dinners and fireside chit

0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.120
<v Speaker 1>chat every night. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Brooke didn't know it at the time, but what happened

0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:06.959
<v Speaker 2>that weekend would affect the rest of her life. At

0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:09.840
<v Speaker 2>the end of their trip, they said another tearful goodbye.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a great time, But that whole weekend, Sick

0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:16.680
<v Speaker 2>had been keeping a secret. He just couldn't bring himself

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<v Speaker 2>to tell her in person.

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<v Speaker 1>He called me a couple of days later, and he

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<v Speaker 1>said that he wanted to talk to me, and he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to let me know that he had talked to

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<v Speaker 1>his mom and that he had agreed to let his

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<v Speaker 1>mom arrange him a marriage.

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<v Speaker 2>After a romantic getaway for Brooke's birthday, Sick called her

0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:12.719
<v Speaker 2>with surprising news he was moving forward with an arranged marriage.

0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:17.879
<v Speaker 1>I was surprised because he had not been interested in

0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:22.080
<v Speaker 1>an arranged marriage and hadn't expressed any interest in it.

0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:26.280
<v Speaker 2>She always thought Sick wanted a love marriage. And when

0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:29.399
<v Speaker 2>he broke the news, he didn't even seem excited about

0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:30.320
<v Speaker 2>the idea.

0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:35.120
<v Speaker 1>He seemed resigned to it. He seemed sad about it.

0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:40.360
<v Speaker 1>He talked about it like he was going to get

0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:42.320
<v Speaker 1>a girl who wanted to marry a doctor.

0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:46.199
<v Speaker 2>Brooke tried to hide it, but she was hurt.

0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:51.159
<v Speaker 1>I felt sad, but I think that part of me

0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:54.040
<v Speaker 1>had been expecting it because we'd basically been trying to

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<v Speaker 1>say goodbye for a year. So even though part of

0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:01.800
<v Speaker 1>me felt like he was still mine, he really wasn't

0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:02.720
<v Speaker 1>mine anymore.

0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:08.160
<v Speaker 2>If he was serious about pursuing this, that meant their

0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:09.720
<v Speaker 2>relationship had to be over.

0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:14.880
<v Speaker 1>I told him that if that was happening, then we

0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:18.560
<v Speaker 1>really needed to stop talking to each other, because it

0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:24.359
<v Speaker 1>wasn't fair to another woman to think that she was

0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:27.760
<v Speaker 1>getting a husband and have her husband over here in

0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:30.879
<v Speaker 1>the United States talking to me and going on trips

0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:36.359
<v Speaker 1>with me. That's just not fair. And he agreed, And

0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:39.480
<v Speaker 1>for all the times we had tried to say goodbye

0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:45.480
<v Speaker 1>over the past year, I think that finally seemed to

0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:47.600
<v Speaker 1>be the thing that let us stop talking to each other.

0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:56.480
<v Speaker 1>After that, conversation. I think we went the longest period

0:19:57.000 --> 0:20:02.000
<v Speaker 1>we had ever gone without talking. It was over two weeks.

0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:10.320
<v Speaker 1>Neither of us reached out, and then I realized my

0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:15.760
<v Speaker 1>period was late, so I took a pregnancy test and

0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:16.720
<v Speaker 1>it was positive.

0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:20.600
<v Speaker 2>Brooke knew it happened during their Pocono's trip.

0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:25.639
<v Speaker 1>The moment I realized I was pregnant, I started thinking

0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:29.919
<v Speaker 1>about the baby and who he was going to be.

0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:34.800
<v Speaker 1>I really just felt like that was my baby. From

0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:38.120
<v Speaker 1>the minute I knew I was pregnant, it felt like.

0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:40.679
<v Speaker 2>A gift from the universe. She knew this would be

0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:44.720
<v Speaker 2>her last baby, and it just felt right. But now

0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:46.920
<v Speaker 2>she faced another decision.

0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:53.080
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't sure if I should even tell him. Part

0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:57.479
<v Speaker 1>of me thought, if I don't tell him, he'll never know,

0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:02.159
<v Speaker 1>and I just have the baby and go on with

0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:05.399
<v Speaker 1>my life and he can go on with his life.

0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:09.040
<v Speaker 2>On the other hand, it felt wrong to keep this

0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:09.520
<v Speaker 2>from him.

0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:13.800
<v Speaker 1>Is it fair of me to not give him that

0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:18.000
<v Speaker 1>choice and that opportunity to take part in his child's life.

0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:21.840
<v Speaker 1>I knew how much I liked being a parent, and

0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:25.280
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't want to miss the opportunity to be in

0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:30.119
<v Speaker 1>my child's life. So I decided to tell him because

0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:31.960
<v Speaker 1>I thought that it was the right thing to do.

0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:36.320
<v Speaker 2>She told him over the phone. He was quiet for

0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:38.800
<v Speaker 2>a few seconds, and then.

0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:42.400
<v Speaker 1>His immediate reaction was to ask me to have an abortion.

0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:48.480
<v Speaker 1>I told him I couldn't and he didn't have to

0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:53.000
<v Speaker 1>be involved. He didn't have to financially support the baby,

0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:55.560
<v Speaker 1>he didn't have to have anything to do with the baby.

0:21:56.960 --> 0:22:00.240
<v Speaker 1>I was already a single mom. I loved having kids.

0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:04.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm good at raising kids. If he doesn't want to

0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:05.840
<v Speaker 1>have the baby, that's fine.

0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:08.639
<v Speaker 2>She went to the doctor and learned the baby was

0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:12.480
<v Speaker 2>perfectly healthy. It was a little boy.

0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:16.840
<v Speaker 1>I was already picking out names before I was even

0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:21.920
<v Speaker 1>showing because I already knew who he was. I decided

0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:26.720
<v Speaker 1>to name him Makai and call him Kai for short.

0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:33.359
<v Speaker 2>But Sick wasn't on the same page. After she told him,

0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:34.879
<v Speaker 2>he started spiraling.

0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:44.280
<v Speaker 1>That started months of phone calls and text messages, begging

0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:47.159
<v Speaker 1>and pleading with me to have an abortion, and telling

0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:51.520
<v Speaker 1>me that I was ruining his life, that this was

0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:55.720
<v Speaker 1>going to cast shame on his family in Pakistan, that

0:22:56.359 --> 0:22:59.760
<v Speaker 1>his mother was going to be ridiculed and he was

0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:04.160
<v Speaker 1>going to be an outcast, and that I was causing

0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:06.919
<v Speaker 1>him mental anguish.

0:23:08.080 --> 0:23:11.480
<v Speaker 2>She understood that having a baby outside of marriage wasn't

0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:16.160
<v Speaker 2>part of his plan, but plan or not, this was happening.

0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:21.440
<v Speaker 1>All of that text message and the phone calls about

0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:23.800
<v Speaker 1>your ruining my life, You're ruining my mom's life. That

0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:24.920
<v Speaker 1>all made me pretty mad.

0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:29.080
<v Speaker 2>She kept waiting for Sick to come around, but every

0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:32.120
<v Speaker 2>time she talked to him, he tried a new tactic.

0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:35.719
<v Speaker 1>One day, I was sitting on my bed and I

0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:38.920
<v Speaker 1>was on the phone with Sick, and he said that

0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:42.840
<v Speaker 1>he had talked to a friend of his who was

0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:46.760
<v Speaker 1>an OPIQI N and that his friend had told him

0:23:47.400 --> 0:23:55.320
<v Speaker 1>that I could take mesaprostal and that it would abort

0:23:55.359 --> 0:23:57.880
<v Speaker 1>the baby, and that I could do it right there

0:23:57.880 --> 0:24:02.520
<v Speaker 1>at sex house and it all happened very easily, and

0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:05.080
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't even need to go to the hospital or anything.

0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:07.720
<v Speaker 1>And said could be there with me the whole time,

0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:11.840
<v Speaker 1>and asked if I would be willing to do that,

0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:13.639
<v Speaker 1>and I said absolutely not.

0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:14.320
<v Speaker 2>No.

0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:19.320
<v Speaker 1>He said that he wasn't trying to pressure me, but

0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:21.880
<v Speaker 1>that we were running out of time because we could

0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:26.080
<v Speaker 1>only do this in the first trimester, and my first

0:24:26.119 --> 0:24:30.280
<v Speaker 1>trimester had been coming to an end. So he wanted

0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:33.919
<v Speaker 1>me to do this, and I said now.

0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:40.200
<v Speaker 2>When she started the second trimester, the conversation was over.

0:24:40.960 --> 0:24:45.320
<v Speaker 2>She'd made her choice. The window for second guessing had closed.

0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:49.119
<v Speaker 2>Now that it was official, Brooke shared the news with

0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:50.159
<v Speaker 2>her two kids.

0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:54.639
<v Speaker 1>We had a little gender reveal cake for the baby.

0:24:55.800 --> 0:24:59.520
<v Speaker 1>We went shopping and bottom a bunch of clothes and

0:24:59.760 --> 0:25:01.040
<v Speaker 1>some stuff for his croup.

0:25:01.880 --> 0:25:04.359
<v Speaker 2>She didn't hear from sick for a few weeks, but

0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:07.200
<v Speaker 2>when he did reach out again, he'd had a change

0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:07.520
<v Speaker 2>of heart.

0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Eventually, he starts talking about setting up a bank account

0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:17.520
<v Speaker 1>for me and the baby, and then he asks me

0:25:17.920 --> 0:25:23.320
<v Speaker 1>if I'll come down to see him so that we

0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:26.240
<v Speaker 1>could figure out a parenting plan and figure out a

0:25:26.240 --> 0:25:30.000
<v Speaker 1>way that we could have this baby together and him

0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:33.399
<v Speaker 1>still be in d C and maybe in New York,

0:25:34.000 --> 0:25:35.560
<v Speaker 1>but still have this baby together.

0:25:36.560 --> 0:25:40.080
<v Speaker 2>Finally, the sick she knew was back. She made plans

0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:42.560
<v Speaker 2>to drive down to d C right after her four

0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:43.920
<v Speaker 2>month ulder sound appointment.

0:25:44.920 --> 0:25:47.000
<v Speaker 1>The morning that I left, I went to the doctor,

0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:52.359
<v Speaker 1>We did a fetal heart rate, everything looked good, and

0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:56.080
<v Speaker 1>I left and set off to go down to d

0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:59.680
<v Speaker 1>C to see him. I drove the whole way down there,

0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:03.959
<v Speaker 1>he texting me reminders to get up and walk so

0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:07.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't get a blood clot, reminding me to drink water,

0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:09.280
<v Speaker 1>asking me how my drive is going.

0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:12.879
<v Speaker 2>When she got to Sick's house, he gave her a

0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:13.560
<v Speaker 2>long hug.

0:26:14.680 --> 0:26:21.359
<v Speaker 1>Everything seemed back to normal, except for one thing. He

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:25.120
<v Speaker 1>didn't say anything about my belly. He didn't try to

0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:26.720
<v Speaker 1>touch it or anything like that.

0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:30.399
<v Speaker 2>When he came to the baby, he still seemed to

0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:31.240
<v Speaker 2>have a wall up.

0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:34.399
<v Speaker 1>He hadn't even wanted me to tell him the gender

0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:37.639
<v Speaker 1>of the baby, so I knew it was a boy,

0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:43.440
<v Speaker 1>but he didn't. At one point that evening, I did

0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:48.600
<v Speaker 1>start to bring up the baby, the pregnancy, and he said,

0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:53.800
<v Speaker 1>let's wait and talk about this tomorrow, and I said okay.

0:26:56.560 --> 0:27:01.160
<v Speaker 1>And the next morning we got up and we start

0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:05.280
<v Speaker 1>making breakfast together, which we've done hundreds of times before.

0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:11.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm making eggs and he's making coffee, and he's making

0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:15.080
<v Speaker 1>coffee that we had gotten when we went to New Orleans.

0:27:15.480 --> 0:27:19.960
<v Speaker 1>And it's this chickory root coffee, so it's a little

0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:25.879
<v Speaker 1>bit stronger. So when I started drinking it, I noticed

0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:31.040
<v Speaker 1>that it burned my stomach a little bit, and I

0:27:31.119 --> 0:27:34.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of just thought, you know I'm pregnant. I probably

0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:39.840
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be drinking so much coffee. I'm probably developing an ulcer.

0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:42.920
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I shouldn't drink this. So I didn't finish my

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:47.920
<v Speaker 1>cup of coffee. I sat it aside, finished breakfast, and

0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:52.080
<v Speaker 1>went on about our day. Got ready went shopping.

0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:55.960
<v Speaker 2>But as soon as they got to the mall, I was.

0:27:55.920 --> 0:27:59.760
<v Speaker 1>Having a queasy feeling, so I ended up going into

0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:03.000
<v Speaker 1>the back room quite a few times. At some point

0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:06.240
<v Speaker 1>he asked me if I was feeling okay, and I

0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:10.959
<v Speaker 1>told him no, that I had an upset stomach. His

0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:17.840
<v Speaker 1>response was just, oh, okay, And that struck me in

0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:22.880
<v Speaker 1>that moment as being very odd, because he normally would

0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:27.520
<v Speaker 1>have asked if I needed anything, or gotten me a drink,

0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:30.480
<v Speaker 1>or had some follow up to make sure I was

0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:34.439
<v Speaker 1>all right, And in that moment, I remember thinking that

0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:37.560
<v Speaker 1>I wondered if he was hoping that something was wrong,

0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:45.400
<v Speaker 1>And then, of course I convinced to myself to put

0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:46.200
<v Speaker 1>it out of my mind.

0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:50.880
<v Speaker 2>As the day went on, she started to feel better,

0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:53.800
<v Speaker 2>so they decided to get takeout and go back to

0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:54.360
<v Speaker 2>his place.

0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 1>After dinner. He put on my favorite movie and said

0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:01.360
<v Speaker 1>that he was going to make me a cup of

0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:05.040
<v Speaker 1>tea for my stomach, so it was dark in the room.

0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:09.000
<v Speaker 1>He brought me the tea, and when I tasted it,

0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:13.560
<v Speaker 1>I noticed that it was unusually sweet, which was not

0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:17.480
<v Speaker 1>how I took my tea. And he said that he

0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:22.640
<v Speaker 1>had accidentally put in both sugar and honey, which was

0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:25.680
<v Speaker 1>odd because he always remembered how I took my tea.

0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:30.280
<v Speaker 1>But I drank it anyway. And when I got toward

0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:33.160
<v Speaker 1>the bottom of the cup of tea, I took a

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:39.280
<v Speaker 1>sip of it, and there was grit in the bottom,

0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:46.480
<v Speaker 1>and from being a nurse, I knew that texture was

0:29:46.640 --> 0:29:53.600
<v Speaker 1>ground up pill so I spit it back in the cup,

0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:55.960
<v Speaker 1>and I put the cup down, and I said that

0:29:56.000 --> 0:29:59.640
<v Speaker 1>I had to go to the bathroom. I went into

0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 1>the bath room and I put my finger down my throat,

0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:05.600
<v Speaker 1>and then I put a toothbrush down my throat to

0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:10.280
<v Speaker 1>try to make myself throw up, and I couldn't. And

0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:14.440
<v Speaker 1>I sat there in the bathroom and I wasn't sure

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:14.960
<v Speaker 1>what to do.

0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:19.320
<v Speaker 2>As the minutes passed, she started doubting what she'd seen

0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:20.480
<v Speaker 2>at the bottom.

0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:22.680
<v Speaker 1>Of her cup. I've known him for years. I've been

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:27.080
<v Speaker 1>dating him for years. This man loves me the man

0:30:27.160 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 1>I know wouldn't do that. And then I remembered that

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:37.000
<v Speaker 1>conversation where he told me that his friends suggested that

0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:40.840
<v Speaker 1>I take me supostal and it would cause an abortion,

0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:46.440
<v Speaker 1>and I told him no, and I just I knew

0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:49.960
<v Speaker 1>that's what he did. But then I kept going back

0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:54.600
<v Speaker 1>to maybe I'm crazy. Maybe there weren't pills in my cup.

0:30:56.520 --> 0:31:02.360
<v Speaker 1>He wouldn't poison me, so maybe I'm insane. But then

0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:06.560
<v Speaker 1>if he did that to me, what else would he do?

0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:10.200
<v Speaker 1>If I go out there and he knows I know,

0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:17.000
<v Speaker 1>and he actually did it, will he kill me? If

0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 1>he wants to get rid of the baby so bad

0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:21.040
<v Speaker 1>that he'll poison me? Is he going to kill me?

0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:24.440
<v Speaker 1>So I can't let him know that I know.

0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 2>In that moment, she came up with a plan. And

0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:34.400
<v Speaker 2>before we keep going, I want a flag that what

0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:37.440
<v Speaker 2>Brooke is about to describe could be emotionally triggering for

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:41.760
<v Speaker 2>some listeners. If you've had experience with pregnancy loss, please

0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:45.720
<v Speaker 2>take care while listening. Now back to Brook, Here's what

0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:46.760
<v Speaker 2>she decided to do.

0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:49.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to wait until he goes to sleep, and

0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:51.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to sneak out of the house and I'm

0:31:51.680 --> 0:31:54.280
<v Speaker 1>going to go to the hospital. And so I sat

0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 1>down on the couch with him, and the movie was

0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:59.840
<v Speaker 1>almost over, and I told him that I was tired

0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:03.160
<v Speaker 1>and I wanted to go to bed, and so the

0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:08.600
<v Speaker 1>movie ended, and he got up to take my dishes

0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:11.920
<v Speaker 1>to the kitchen, and I said I'll take them, and

0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:15.320
<v Speaker 1>he said, no, I'll take them, and he pulled them

0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:18.840
<v Speaker 1>out of my hands, took the dishes to the sink,

0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:21.960
<v Speaker 1>and I saw him tip the cup into the sink,

0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:25.360
<v Speaker 1>and then he went into the bathroom. And when he

0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 1>went into the bathroom, I thought, I have to know,

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:33.000
<v Speaker 1>so I turned on the kitchen light and I looked

0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:35.520
<v Speaker 1>and there was pill fragments in the bottom of the cup.

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:40.480
<v Speaker 1>So I got a plastic baggie out and I scooped

0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:42.640
<v Speaker 1>out the rest of the pill fragments that were in

0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:44.440
<v Speaker 1>the cup, and I zipped them up in the little

0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:47.040
<v Speaker 1>plastic baggy and I hit him in my purse, and

0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:49.320
<v Speaker 1>I thought, when he goes to sleep, i'll go to

0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:53.400
<v Speaker 1>the hospital. Because now I don't so much think I'm insane.

0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:56.360
<v Speaker 1>I think he probably did poison me. But now I

0:32:56.400 --> 0:32:58.480
<v Speaker 1>really do need to wait until he's asleep.

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:02.600
<v Speaker 2>Now that she had seen the proof, the panic came

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:06.160
<v Speaker 2>flooding in what had he given her and how much

0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:09.080
<v Speaker 2>of it did she drink? But she had to stay

0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:12.000
<v Speaker 2>calm so she could get out and get help.

0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:15.120
<v Speaker 1>So I got ready for bed, and I laid down

0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:20.040
<v Speaker 1>next to him, and I just listened to him breathing

0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:26.520
<v Speaker 1>and waited to hear his breathing change so I could

0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:29.719
<v Speaker 1>hear when I got deeper so I could sneak out

0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:35.400
<v Speaker 1>of bed. And while I was laying there, I felt

0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:42.360
<v Speaker 1>a pop and I felt myself start bleeding. I got

0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:45.320
<v Speaker 1>up and ran into the bathroom and I was bleeding,

0:33:47.000 --> 0:33:50.120
<v Speaker 1>and I started crying and laid down on the bathroom floor.

0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:57.120
<v Speaker 1>At this point, I was almost twenty weeks, a long

0:33:57.880 --> 0:34:02.920
<v Speaker 1>four months pregnant. The baby was fully formed, so having

0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:07.800
<v Speaker 1>this happen in his bathroom at his apartment is certainly

0:34:08.160 --> 0:34:14.200
<v Speaker 1>medically dangerous for me. And he came in and he

0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:17.560
<v Speaker 1>said what's wrong? And I said, the baby's dying. You

0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:22.960
<v Speaker 1>need to call nine one one, and he said, no,

0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:28.719
<v Speaker 1>you're fine. I'm a doctor. I can take care of you.

0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:57.440
<v Speaker 2>Brooke planned to get out of Six's house quietly and

0:34:57.520 --> 0:35:02.400
<v Speaker 2>drive herself to the hospital. Before she could, she started bleeding.

0:35:03.400 --> 0:35:06.600
<v Speaker 2>Four months into the pregnancy. She knew she needed to

0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 2>get help quickly, but when Sick found her on the

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:13.440
<v Speaker 2>floor of the bathroom, he didn't want to call an ambulance, and.

0:35:13.400 --> 0:35:16.239
<v Speaker 1>I said, you need to call nine one one, and

0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:20.400
<v Speaker 1>he said, no, you're okay, I'm a doctor, You're going

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 1>to be fine. I didn't know if he was refusing

0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:29.080
<v Speaker 1>to call nine one one because he wanted to kill me.

0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:33.880
<v Speaker 2>She was terrified for herself and for her baby.

0:35:34.160 --> 0:35:38.759
<v Speaker 1>Part of me was really hopeful that maybe if I

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:41.880
<v Speaker 1>could just get to a hospital, somehow, the baby was

0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:47.040
<v Speaker 1>going to survive. So I was desperate for him to

0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:54.080
<v Speaker 1>call nine one one. I said, you don't understand your

0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:58.920
<v Speaker 1>son is dying, your son, and if you don't call

0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:03.040
<v Speaker 1>nine one one, then I will.

0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:05.600
<v Speaker 2>She hadn't told him the sex of the baby until

0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:09.480
<v Speaker 2>this moment. When she called the baby his son, something

0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:10.160
<v Speaker 2>shifted for.

0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:15.040
<v Speaker 1>Sick, and then he said, okay, I'll call and he

0:36:15.120 --> 0:36:17.680
<v Speaker 1>went and he called nine one one, and then the

0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:24.480
<v Speaker 1>ambulance came, and at this point I was bleeding a

0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:25.040
<v Speaker 1>lot more.

0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:29.239
<v Speaker 2>The paramedics picked her up from the floor and laid

0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:30.120
<v Speaker 2>her on the stretcher.

0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:33.879
<v Speaker 1>As they're pushing me out of the apartment. I see

0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:39.440
<v Speaker 1>my purse sitting on the counter, and I remember that

0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:43.080
<v Speaker 1>the pill fragments are in a baggy in my purse.

0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 1>So I ask the paramedic to hand me my purse

0:36:50.080 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 1>and he says, you don't need it, and I said, no,

0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:59.680
<v Speaker 1>I want my purse, and Sick picks it up and

0:36:59.760 --> 0:37:04.280
<v Speaker 1>he says, I'll take it. I have another moment of panic,

0:37:04.400 --> 0:37:08.440
<v Speaker 1>thinking if the paramedic asks me for my insurance card,

0:37:09.480 --> 0:37:12.160
<v Speaker 1>Sick is going to open my purse and he's going

0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:14.600
<v Speaker 1>to see that baggie in there with the pills in it,

0:37:14.680 --> 0:37:17.160
<v Speaker 1>and he's going to get rid of it. So they

0:37:17.239 --> 0:37:20.880
<v Speaker 1>lowed me into the ambulance and Sick gets into the

0:37:20.920 --> 0:37:25.759
<v Speaker 1>ambulance with us. I just keep thinking, if I can

0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:28.719
<v Speaker 1>get this paramedic to just make eye contact with me,

0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:33.759
<v Speaker 1>he'll see in my eyes that I'm afraid and I

0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:34.799
<v Speaker 1>don't want Sick here.

0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:40.440
<v Speaker 2>But the paramedic was too busy triaging Brooke to notice

0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:45.120
<v Speaker 2>all the while Six stayed right by her side, acting concerned.

0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:49.360
<v Speaker 1>So we get to the hospital and the whole time

0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:53.560
<v Speaker 1>Sick is holding my purse. Finally we get up to

0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:57.560
<v Speaker 1>labor and delivery and he sets it down on the counter.

0:37:57.360 --> 0:38:01.960
<v Speaker 2>In the room sick wouldn't leave her, and he made

0:38:02.000 --> 0:38:03.520
<v Speaker 2>it known that he was a doctor.

0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:06.879
<v Speaker 1>She's right there the whole time, right next to my bed,

0:38:07.400 --> 0:38:11.280
<v Speaker 1>helping them move me from stretcher to bed and talking

0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:14.839
<v Speaker 1>to the doctor about their medical training and where they've

0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:20.560
<v Speaker 1>both worked, and he's that normal person that everybody likes

0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:28.719
<v Speaker 1>in that room. Finally he goes into the bathroom and

0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:33.160
<v Speaker 1>I whispered to the nurse to make him leave. I

0:38:33.160 --> 0:38:35.320
<v Speaker 1>could just see the colored drain out of her face.

0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:39.360
<v Speaker 1>She looked at me and she whispered, back, are you okay?

0:38:39.840 --> 0:38:44.360
<v Speaker 1>And I said no. A couple of minutes later, the

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:47.640
<v Speaker 1>charge nurse came in and got sick and said that

0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:51.160
<v Speaker 1>she wanted to show him the father's lounge, and she

0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:54.840
<v Speaker 1>took him out. And then the nurse and the doctor

0:38:54.880 --> 0:38:59.919
<v Speaker 1>came and asked me what was going on, And I said,

0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:04.080
<v Speaker 1>I swear I'm not crazy, but I think he poisoned me.

0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:10.840
<v Speaker 1>I found pills in my tea and they're in a

0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:11.880
<v Speaker 1>baggy in my purse.

0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:20.560
<v Speaker 2>The nurse went into Brooks bag and grabbed the ziploc

0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:23.400
<v Speaker 2>with the pill fragments. She wanted to send them to

0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:24.440
<v Speaker 2>the lab for testing.

0:39:25.560 --> 0:39:32.840
<v Speaker 1>Not long after, that my water broke and Kai was born.

0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:40.759
<v Speaker 1>He was not alive. Part of me still hoped he

0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:45.400
<v Speaker 1>would cry when he was born, but he didn't. But

0:39:45.440 --> 0:39:49.080
<v Speaker 1>they wrapped him up in a blanket and put a

0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:52.160
<v Speaker 1>little tiny hat on him and brought him to me.

0:39:53.400 --> 0:39:57.719
<v Speaker 1>They let me hold Kai for a couple of hours.

0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:05.759
<v Speaker 1>I was holding Kui, I wasn't thinking at all about

0:40:05.800 --> 0:40:10.840
<v Speaker 1>what Sick had done. It was more thinking about the loss.

0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:19.120
<v Speaker 1>Even though Kai wasn't alive. Still looking at him, there

0:40:19.200 --> 0:40:23.399
<v Speaker 1>was sort of this amazement about who he was as

0:40:23.440 --> 0:40:28.799
<v Speaker 1>a person, which is odd to say about somebody who

0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:33.160
<v Speaker 1>wasn't alive to recognize who they are as a person,

0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:36.840
<v Speaker 1>But he was. He was a little person with little

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:40.319
<v Speaker 1>long fingers and long toes. And that's what I was

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:43.600
<v Speaker 1>thinking about when I was looking at him, that he

0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:46.919
<v Speaker 1>probably would have played basketball, and he would have been tall,

0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:50.640
<v Speaker 1>and maybe he would have played piano because he would

0:40:50.640 --> 0:40:56.680
<v Speaker 1>have had long piano playing fingers. Probably sounds strange to

0:40:56.760 --> 0:41:01.920
<v Speaker 1>somebody who hasn't lost a baby, but that's what I

0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:03.240
<v Speaker 1>was thinking about in that moment.

0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:06.799
<v Speaker 2>Sick was in the room too.

0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:14.120
<v Speaker 1>When he saw what Kai actually looked like, Sick cried.

0:41:16.239 --> 0:41:20.600
<v Speaker 1>I almost think that that is the first time Sick

0:41:20.880 --> 0:41:26.080
<v Speaker 1>realized that it was a whole human. I think that

0:41:26.280 --> 0:41:30.040
<v Speaker 1>was really the first time that it was real in

0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:32.160
<v Speaker 1>his mind that that was his son.

0:41:34.080 --> 0:41:37.000
<v Speaker 2>After they took Kai's footprints and filled out the paperwork,

0:41:37.920 --> 0:41:40.000
<v Speaker 2>his body was taken for an autopsy.

0:41:40.600 --> 0:41:44.040
<v Speaker 1>Seven am rolls around and the day shift nurse comes

0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:48.840
<v Speaker 1>in and she takes me in the bathroom and she

0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:53.680
<v Speaker 1>very quietly asks me what happened.

0:41:55.360 --> 0:41:57.520
<v Speaker 2>Once again, Brooke told the story.

0:41:57.880 --> 0:42:00.880
<v Speaker 1>And she says, what are you going to do? And

0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:03.600
<v Speaker 1>I said, I don't know. I don't know what to do.

0:42:04.960 --> 0:42:10.080
<v Speaker 1>And she said, if there's any part of you that

0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:13.000
<v Speaker 1>thinks that this man poisoned you and killed your baby,

0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:19.840
<v Speaker 1>you need to report him. Brooke agreed, and she said

0:42:20.080 --> 0:42:23.239
<v Speaker 1>have you asked him? Have you asked him if he

0:42:23.280 --> 0:42:28.520
<v Speaker 1>did this? And I said no, and she said, I

0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:29.280
<v Speaker 1>think you should.

0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:32.600
<v Speaker 2>So they went back in the room just as Sick

0:42:32.760 --> 0:42:33.719
<v Speaker 2>was walking back in.

0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:37.360
<v Speaker 1>And he said he was going to go back to

0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:42.239
<v Speaker 1>his apartment and take a shower, get changed, and bring

0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:46.200
<v Speaker 1>me some clothes. And I said that before he left,

0:42:46.200 --> 0:42:50.439
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to ask him a question, and I asked him,

0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:58.680
<v Speaker 1>did you poison me? And he said, do you honestly

0:42:58.760 --> 0:43:04.560
<v Speaker 1>think I would do that to you. I said, yes,

0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:10.239
<v Speaker 1>I do. And I told him I found ground up

0:43:10.320 --> 0:43:13.359
<v Speaker 1>pill in the bottom of my cup and I gave

0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:16.640
<v Speaker 1>it to the nurse and they're going to have it tested.

0:43:17.719 --> 0:43:21.120
<v Speaker 1>So if you did this, you need to come clean

0:43:21.160 --> 0:43:26.440
<v Speaker 1>with me right now. And he started crying and he

0:43:26.480 --> 0:43:28.680
<v Speaker 1>put his head down on the bed. He was sitting

0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:30.319
<v Speaker 1>in a chair next to the bed, and he put

0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:36.880
<v Speaker 1>his head down on the bed and just started bawling.

0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:41.640
<v Speaker 1>And he told me that he had put me sprostal

0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:45.880
<v Speaker 1>in my coffee that morning and that's why I had

0:43:45.960 --> 0:43:52.400
<v Speaker 1>a stomach ache, and when it didn't work, he ground

0:43:52.480 --> 0:43:54.719
<v Speaker 1>up more and put it in my tea that night.

0:43:57.480 --> 0:44:01.480
<v Speaker 2>It was the final confirmation. She just stared at him

0:44:01.520 --> 0:44:07.800
<v Speaker 2>in silence, heartbroken. Sick continued talking and tried to rationalize

0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:10.160
<v Speaker 2>what he'd done, and.

0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:14.120
<v Speaker 1>He said that the reason that he did it is

0:44:14.200 --> 0:44:19.400
<v Speaker 1>because he knew that I loved him and I wanted

0:44:19.440 --> 0:44:24.160
<v Speaker 1>to do what was best for him. But he knew

0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:26.760
<v Speaker 1>that if I made the decision to have an abortion,

0:44:28.000 --> 0:44:31.120
<v Speaker 1>I would be unhappy about it, so he was making

0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:34.840
<v Speaker 1>the decision for me so that I wouldn't have to

0:44:34.880 --> 0:44:39.680
<v Speaker 1>live with it. He said it like he thought that

0:44:39.880 --> 0:44:46.040
<v Speaker 1>he was doing something benevolent for me, but he wasn't.

0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:51.920
<v Speaker 1>He was taking from me somebody that I loved, somebody

0:44:51.960 --> 0:44:56.359
<v Speaker 1>that I wanted in my life, and he was justifying

0:44:56.400 --> 0:44:59.520
<v Speaker 1>it and acting like he was doing it for my benefit.

0:45:01.160 --> 0:45:04.000
<v Speaker 2>He really seemed to believe he had done the right thing.

0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:07.640
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't believe what he was saying to me. I

0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:15.160
<v Speaker 1>couldn't believe it. I felt betrayed. I felt like, that's

0:45:15.239 --> 0:45:21.200
<v Speaker 1>not your decision to make. And he was completely selfish.

0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:25.440
<v Speaker 1>Rather than taking on what he thought was going to

0:45:25.480 --> 0:45:30.839
<v Speaker 1>be ridicule, he was causing pain to other people. That's

0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:37.360
<v Speaker 1>a coward. And while he was saying it, there's a

0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:41.440
<v Speaker 1>knock on the door to my hospital room, and that

0:45:41.600 --> 0:45:43.760
<v Speaker 1>was the police.

0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:47.239
<v Speaker 2>The police took Sick into another room for questioning.

0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:54.120
<v Speaker 1>And he confessed that he had poisoned me. So they

0:45:54.200 --> 0:45:57.000
<v Speaker 1>arrested him and took him to jail.

0:45:57.440 --> 0:46:02.319
<v Speaker 2>Brooke wouldn't see him again until his sentence hearing, but

0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:04.839
<v Speaker 2>Sick had left his phone with her, so she picked

0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:06.080
<v Speaker 2>it up and made a call.

0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:09.680
<v Speaker 1>I called his brother, who lives here in New York,

0:46:10.200 --> 0:46:15.080
<v Speaker 1>and I told his brother Sick had been arrested and

0:46:15.719 --> 0:46:18.080
<v Speaker 1>what he had been arrested for, that he had poisoned

0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:24.280
<v Speaker 1>me and killed our baby. And his brother said he

0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:30.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't know that I was pregnant. I said that I

0:46:30.480 --> 0:46:34.600
<v Speaker 1>couldn't take care of Sick anymore, that he was not

0:46:34.800 --> 0:46:38.279
<v Speaker 1>my responsibility and he needed to come down here and

0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:39.200
<v Speaker 1>take care of his brother.

0:46:42.640 --> 0:46:45.759
<v Speaker 2>Before they hung up, Sick's brother had one more thing

0:46:45.800 --> 0:46:47.400
<v Speaker 2>to say.

0:46:47.640 --> 0:46:51.839
<v Speaker 1>While he didn't know that I was pregnant, they did

0:46:52.000 --> 0:46:56.120
<v Speaker 1>know that Sick and I were seeing each other. And

0:46:56.480 --> 0:47:00.640
<v Speaker 1>his mom had known for years. She had known since

0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:03.879
<v Speaker 1>the day she met me, and they had just been

0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:05.279
<v Speaker 1>waiting for him to tell them.

0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:10.840
<v Speaker 2>It was a tragic revelation. The pressure Sick put on

0:47:10.920 --> 0:47:15.400
<v Speaker 2>himself to live up to his family's expectations was self imposed.

0:47:16.200 --> 0:47:24.600
<v Speaker 2>His family would have accepted Brooke and their son. Brooke

0:47:24.680 --> 0:47:26.759
<v Speaker 2>called a friend who flew down to DC to pick

0:47:26.800 --> 0:47:30.160
<v Speaker 2>her up at the hospital. Before they started to drive home,

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<v Speaker 2>they stopped by six apartment to get Brooks bags.

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<v Speaker 1>The police met us there. It was very strange to

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<v Speaker 1>go in. There's crime scene tape in his apartment and

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<v Speaker 1>it's been ransacked by the police. Just an odd feeling

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<v Speaker 1>knowing that that's now the scene of a crime, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a place that you painted and decorated.

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<v Speaker 2>The police had turned the apartment upside down to find

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<v Speaker 2>more evidence, and they did. They found white powder in

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<v Speaker 2>a pack of one hundred missoprystal tablets with ten doses missing.

0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:13.279
<v Speaker 2>He had given her all ten in one day. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a massive overdose.

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<v Speaker 1>So he had given me two hundred milligrams in the morning,

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<v Speaker 1>and then when that didn't work, he gave me an

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<v Speaker 1>additional six hundred milligrams in the evening. He probably needed

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<v Speaker 1>to give me that dose because I was way further

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<v Speaker 1>along in pregnancy.

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<v Speaker 2>The police told Brooke they'd be in touch, and that

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<v Speaker 2>was it.

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<v Speaker 1>The drive back to New York was awful. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>eloquent way to say that. It was just awful. I

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<v Speaker 1>cried most of the way back. I missed my baby.

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<v Speaker 1>I went down to DC thinking that I was making

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<v Speaker 1>a parenting plan, and I came back missing my baby,

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<v Speaker 1>with business cards for investigators and victims assistance phone numbers

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<v Speaker 1>in my luggage, doubting who I knew for the last

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<v Speaker 1>five years. My whole world had changed.

0:49:22.120 --> 0:49:25.239
<v Speaker 2>And then came the regrets. Even though she knew it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't her fault. All she wanted was to go back

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<v Speaker 2>in time.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, blaming yourself. I wish I had never driven

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<v Speaker 1>down there. I shouldn't have done that. I should have

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<v Speaker 1>known better. I've worked through that. I don't still blame myself,

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<v Speaker 1>but at that time I did. I kept thinking that,

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<v Speaker 1>how stupid was I to drive down there.

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<v Speaker 2>When she got home, the loss became even more real

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<v Speaker 2>because she had to find a way to tell her kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only was I dealing with my own emotions, but

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<v Speaker 1>I had to tell my kids that I wasn't pregnant

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<v Speaker 1>anymore and they weren't getting a baby brother. And not

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<v Speaker 1>only were they not getting a baby brother, but their

0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:18.320
<v Speaker 1>baby brother was murdered. And not only was he murdered,

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<v Speaker 1>he was murdered by somebody that they knew and trusted.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have to help them through that. While I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to manage my own emotional fallout from this and

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<v Speaker 1>also figure out what to do about this criminal case,

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<v Speaker 1>I can hardly function to get dinner on the table.

0:50:43.760 --> 0:50:46.680
<v Speaker 2>Her kids weren't just mourning a baby brother. They were

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<v Speaker 2>mourning a sense of safety, and Brooke had to carry

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<v Speaker 2>all of it. She took leave from work leaned on

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<v Speaker 2>her friends and found a therapist. Even with all the support,

0:50:58.239 --> 0:51:00.759
<v Speaker 2>she stayed awake at night trying to make sense of

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<v Speaker 2>what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I really went through this period of wondering if I

0:51:06.719 --> 0:51:10.080
<v Speaker 1>ever knew him at all, and did I ever see

0:51:10.160 --> 0:51:16.720
<v Speaker 1>him or was I fooling myself? Was he a monster

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<v Speaker 1>this entire time? And I just didn't want to see it?

0:51:23.239 --> 0:51:26.120
<v Speaker 1>And I really did have to think about that because

0:51:27.480 --> 0:51:31.560
<v Speaker 1>either I loved a monster and never knew he was

0:51:31.600 --> 0:51:38.319
<v Speaker 1>a monster, or I loved a man and then he

0:51:38.400 --> 0:51:47.240
<v Speaker 1>became a monster. One of those is true.

0:51:45.400 --> 0:51:47.280
<v Speaker 2>Her heart tells her it was the latter.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to objectively look at the person that he

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<v Speaker 1>was and look at his actions leading up to that time,

0:51:58.040 --> 0:52:01.720
<v Speaker 1>and look at the way he treated people. I really

0:52:01.760 --> 0:52:05.760
<v Speaker 1>think that I loved a man who became a monster.

0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:13.520
<v Speaker 2>Sick was charged with premeditated fetal homicide. He initially pled

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<v Speaker 2>not guilty.

0:52:16.000 --> 0:52:18.040
<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to go to a trial. I really

0:52:18.120 --> 0:52:21.840
<v Speaker 1>just wanted him to plead guilty and take responsibility for

0:52:21.920 --> 0:52:26.279
<v Speaker 1>what he did. That's when I decided to speak out

0:52:26.480 --> 0:52:27.840
<v Speaker 1>about what had happened.

0:52:29.200 --> 0:52:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Brooke went the local news to tell her story.

0:52:32.680 --> 0:52:36.720
<v Speaker 1>After I talked to the media, he changed his mind

0:52:36.760 --> 0:52:38.360
<v Speaker 1>and decided to plead guilty.

0:52:39.840 --> 0:52:43.040
<v Speaker 2>After that, the only thing left was the sentencing hearing.

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<v Speaker 1>He was facing twenty years to life in prison. He's

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<v Speaker 1>not an American citizen, so whenever he completed his sentence,

0:52:52.480 --> 0:52:56.200
<v Speaker 1>he was going to be deported back to Pakistan. So

0:52:56.920 --> 0:53:00.960
<v Speaker 1>when he decided to plead guilty, I decided to do

0:53:01.800 --> 0:53:05.760
<v Speaker 1>was to ask for leniency for him. So I wrote

0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:11.799
<v Speaker 1>a letter to the judge and asked for leniency, and

0:53:12.040 --> 0:53:16.640
<v Speaker 1>I explained to the judge that my son is gone.

0:53:16.920 --> 0:53:22.000
<v Speaker 1>My son is dead. Kai's life is over. He will

0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:26.960
<v Speaker 1>never do anything with his life. He's gone. He won't

0:53:26.960 --> 0:53:31.239
<v Speaker 1>have a chance, but six still does. He still has

0:53:31.280 --> 0:53:37.080
<v Speaker 1>a chance. And I would hate to see two lives

0:53:37.120 --> 0:53:42.799
<v Speaker 1>be gone because of this. And I really think that

0:53:43.320 --> 0:53:48.440
<v Speaker 1>rather than wasting the rest of his life sitting in prison,

0:53:50.160 --> 0:53:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Sick owes it to Kai to do something with his life.

0:53:58.600 --> 0:54:02.840
<v Speaker 1>The judge wrote my letter and granted him le nancy

0:54:03.440 --> 0:54:10.520
<v Speaker 1>and sentenced him to four years in prison. Otherwise he

0:54:10.560 --> 0:54:15.839
<v Speaker 1>would have given him twenty years to life.

0:54:16.200 --> 0:54:18.600
<v Speaker 2>Sick was released from prison in twenty twenty one and

0:54:18.600 --> 0:54:22.480
<v Speaker 2>deported to Pakistan. Today, it's been eight years since the crime,

0:54:23.000 --> 0:54:26.879
<v Speaker 2>and despite everything she's gone through, she manages to live

0:54:27.000 --> 0:54:30.520
<v Speaker 2>a joyful and fulfilling life.

0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:39.840
<v Speaker 1>Today. I have finished my master's degree in nursing and

0:54:40.080 --> 0:54:44.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm teaching nursing. I do Brazilian jiu jitsu a couple

0:54:44.840 --> 0:54:49.120
<v Speaker 1>of times a week as a fun hobby and exercise.

0:54:49.440 --> 0:54:51.839
<v Speaker 1>It's very empowering. I love doing that.

0:54:53.400 --> 0:54:56.080
<v Speaker 2>She and her kids chose to memorialize Kai.

0:54:56.680 --> 0:55:01.759
<v Speaker 1>His brother got a burial pla and said a prayer

0:55:01.840 --> 0:55:06.240
<v Speaker 1>over him, and we buried him in a cemetery here.

0:55:07.360 --> 0:55:10.880
<v Speaker 1>So he's got a little gravestone and a cemetery up

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<v Speaker 1>here in Upstate New York with his little superhero on it,

0:55:17.239 --> 0:55:19.880
<v Speaker 1>and it says Superheroes never sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>We end all of our weekly episodes with the same question,

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<v Speaker 2>why do you want to share your story?

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<v Speaker 1>When people hear my story, it is a little bit shocking,

0:55:35.880 --> 0:55:40.040
<v Speaker 1>and people often say, oh my god, I can't believe

0:55:40.080 --> 0:55:44.680
<v Speaker 1>that happened to you. But what I like people to

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<v Speaker 1>take from it is, no matter what happens, no matter

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<v Speaker 1>what you go through, you'll get stronger and you learn

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<v Speaker 1>to carry it. I was surprised that I made it through,

0:56:00.080 --> 0:56:03.680
<v Speaker 1>prized by the amount of strength that I came up

0:56:03.719 --> 0:56:08.200
<v Speaker 1>with and looking at it from the other side, I

0:56:08.239 --> 0:56:12.520
<v Speaker 1>look back and I think, wow, I made it through that.

0:56:13.520 --> 0:56:16.160
<v Speaker 1>If I could make it through that, people can make

0:56:16.160 --> 0:56:20.080
<v Speaker 1>it through anything. They really can.

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<v Speaker 2>Next week on Betrayal Weekly, I go, what are you

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<v Speaker 2>involved in?

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<v Speaker 3>Are you being investigated by the FBI? And he looked

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<v Speaker 3>at me so coldly like he never knew me, and

0:56:43.920 --> 0:56:47.279
<v Speaker 3>he said, if I go down, I'm taking you with me.

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