Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're back behind the bastards, Behind the Bastards.
Speaker 1: Lucy Goosey talking about reality TV week. Dave, How you doing?
Speaker 1: How you doing, Dave? Well guest, Yeah, I'm I'm David Bell,
Speaker 1: your guest, co owner of the Gamefully Unemployed network, that's
Speaker 1: Arch Arch Capitalist podcast entrepreneur David Bell. Yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I ruled this city. You know you own
Speaker 1: an entire pair of pants, Dave, an entire both pockets,
Speaker 1: not even leasing them anymore paid. Yeah, I mean listen,
Speaker 1: one of the pockets isn't it's not great shape, but
Speaker 1: you know, you know, these things happen. It's your regular
Speaker 1: wear and tear a pair of pants. How many pockets
Speaker 1: do you really need, an honest man, one one? Any
Speaker 1: more than one pocket? I don't trust that son of
Speaker 1: a bitch. I don't trust anybody who's not holding everything.
Speaker 1: They absolutely absolutely, That's why people wearing dresses are the
Speaker 1: only people you can trust, unless it's one of these
Speaker 1: like modern decadent dresses with pockets no hands. I don't
Speaker 1: trust anybody with pockets. Why would we Why would anyone
Speaker 1: trust anyway? Dave? How you how you how how are
Speaker 1: you doing here? How are we feeling. I'm pretty good,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I mean, okay, Well, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm learning about reality TV doesn't it's not great. You know,
Speaker 1: I've lost a lot of faith. I'm pretty sure I've
Speaker 1: lost several years of my life at this point. It's tragic.
Speaker 1: You did have I Love Money three's logo tattooed on
Speaker 1: your heart before that last episode, which is really yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll probably just turn it to like heart honey something
Speaker 1: like that, which is just as true it is, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: and in easy to do. You know what's Sophie, we
Speaker 1: didn't play it last time? Would you pull up the
Speaker 1: intro to I I Love Money three? I just kind
Speaker 1: of want to hear what that looks like. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: do Money three. We're having just having a good time
Speaker 1: with the buds talking about reality interest to reality shows.
Speaker 1: I'm super scared as to how bad it is. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be bad. How could it be good? Why would
Speaker 1: it be good? What would be? The last episode ended
Speaker 1: with a brutal murder, but this one is going to
Speaker 1: have a higher body count. But first, let's watch the
Speaker 1: I Love Money three intro. Let's see what was going
Speaker 1: on with this fucking show. Do you know what it is? Robert?
Speaker 1: Because minutes? Yeahs the whole thing. Here we go, just
Speaker 1: play the entire thing. I so, I imagine it's not
Speaker 1: season three, right number it's I Love Money parts? Is
Speaker 1: it season three? Or is I think it's yeah, I
Speaker 1: Love Money three revival. No, it must be I Love
Speaker 1: Money three. We're learning a lot here? Is it? The
Speaker 1: squeak will there's there's so many things. Why are there
Speaker 1: so many things? I don't know. I don't know. If
Speaker 1: I could, I could, I don't know. It doesn't. Just
Speaker 1: find an episode and yeah, yeah, I think just any
Speaker 1: old episode will have the It'll be fine. I feel
Speaker 1: like you chose the one that will have it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is not no, this is like a fan made montage.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to think about that world. I
Speaker 1: just find like an episode, episode four. There, season four
Speaker 1: episode that'll be fine. I want to see the intro.
Speaker 1: There we go, Yeah, hold on, it is it is.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn the volume down because it's horrifying, Okay,
Speaker 1: or let's restart. Okay, all right, we found it. Here
Speaker 1: we go. I'm so sorry. I'll narrate it. Beach Bird,
Speaker 1: Tropical beat Water celeb reality are about to stop the
Speaker 1: cheering on a bunch of white people television. Look is
Speaker 1: not for you. Just the tour ends here they wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: was that Brett Michaels. Yeah, that was Brett Michael's. That
Speaker 1: was from the show we mentioned last episode where people
Speaker 1: are trying to marry Brett Michaels. Yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: he said, Bret Michaels, and your brain protected itself by racing.
Speaker 1: I wish, I wish I didn't know. Yeah, well you
Speaker 1: do now keeping off the streets. It is keeping him
Speaker 1: off the streets. That that is the number one goal
Speaker 1: of an ethical society, keep Bret Michael's off the streets.
Speaker 1: So that seems fun. That seems like a good show.
Speaker 1: That that that was the season of the show that
Speaker 1: had the murderer on it. So that's good, so Dave Bell.
Speaker 1: In two thousand nineteen, The Son, a British tabloid, conducted
Speaker 1: a study that found thirty eight suspected suicides which had
Speaker 1: been linked to reality television since nineteen eighties. Six. Now
Speaker 1: this is fun because like both of course, you know
Speaker 1: that's unsettling, but also probably not related to anything. Thirty
Speaker 1: eight suicides in an industry with thousands and thousands and
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of contestants in like a thirty year period,
Speaker 1: not really a big deal. That's actually surprisingly low. It's
Speaker 1: really low actually if you really think about it. But
Speaker 1: that's it's never that's not how it's like marketed. There's
Speaker 1: just all of these because the Sun is a shitty tabloid,
Speaker 1: and then a bunch of other shitty tabloids and stuff
Speaker 1: like the Daily Mail put up articles being like thirty
Speaker 1: eight suicides linked reality TV and it's like, yeah, in
Speaker 1: half a century, Like, it's not really that big a
Speaker 1: deal honestly if you look at it, um, But so
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, there's there's probably more suicide's linked to
Speaker 1: like stamp collecting. Absolutely, Oh my god, Dave, if you
Speaker 1: ever been to a stamp convention, I mean, the biggest
Speaker 1: danger is that someone is going to shoot themselves and
Speaker 1: you're it's like neat concert there. Yeah, it's break. That's
Speaker 1: a fun reference for three of the people listening, David.
Speaker 1: So you know, this study quote unquote is not really
Speaker 1: evidence of an epidemic, but the study doesn't come out
Speaker 1: of nowhere. It's sparked and again, the Sun is really
Speaker 1: gross so like the thing that makes them conduct this
Speaker 1: shitty study is a series of terrible suicides that occur
Speaker 1: on the UK reality show called Love Island. Um so,
Speaker 1: three testants on the show killed themselves over a three
Speaker 1: year period. Since about a hundred people have been on
Speaker 1: the show, this means Love Island contestants have a suicide
Speaker 1: rate like three times as high as the rest of
Speaker 1: the UK. Yeah, that's one a year for just one show,
Speaker 1: so that it's worth looking into. Yeah, I think the
Speaker 1: average for TV shows should be around zero. Yeah zero
Speaker 1: ish zero is obviously you can't always get your zero
Speaker 1: like that famously lost eleven norms in the first two seasons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they had to burn through norms. They have been through
Speaker 1: norms like nobody's business. But yeah, um so yeah they
Speaker 1: this is probably worth looking into, so let's look into
Speaker 1: it a bit. Um Yeah. The UK Guardian describes the
Speaker 1: show thus lee Love Island, a constructed reality TV show
Speaker 1: thrusts a collection of twenty somethings into close quarters in
Speaker 1: a majorcan via villa for about eight weeks. During that time,
Speaker 1: the contestants are given the task of pairing up, going
Speaker 1: on staged dates and strutting around in Beachwaar. Every week,
Speaker 1: the public vote on which couples they want to boot off,
Speaker 1: while opportunities to recouple also arise, which can lead to
Speaker 1: some animosity when contestants leave their lover for another islander
Speaker 1: right in front of them. I feel like we should
Speaker 1: watch another intro here, Sophie. Yeah, show show us, show
Speaker 1: us Love Island. Yeah, that's that seems like something that
Speaker 1: would spawn, seems like something that could cause problems for people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: or maybe the villa was haunted, but it's like the
Speaker 1: Woman in Black, where like they're compelled or something. But
Speaker 1: it's probably the first thing where the reality TV show.
Speaker 1: There must have been like a found footage movie or
Speaker 1: something about a reality show that gets haunted by a
Speaker 1: ghost that makes everyone killed themselves. Right, that's that has
Speaker 1: to look up. But there, Yeah, there has to be
Speaker 1: because really one of the one of the foundations of
Speaker 1: found footage is finding a reason a bunch of people
Speaker 1: are filming. So yeah, fuck diving a fool awesome. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the good ship. Yeah that was fine. That was fine. Um,
Speaker 1: so yeah, Love Island. So you know, one of the
Speaker 1: biggest stories about this show came in two thousand eighteen,
Speaker 1: when it was announced that more people had applied to
Speaker 1: be on that year's season than had applied to either
Speaker 1: Oxford or Cambridge. And again, this is like the same
Speaker 1: kind of people who like shared that terrible study about
Speaker 1: this stunt, Like some like shared this is like evidence
Speaker 1: of the decline of Western civilization, Like look at how
Speaker 1: horrible it is that, like Love Island, more people are
Speaker 1: trying to get on this show than are trying to
Speaker 1: get into Oxford. And it's like number one, like how
Speaker 1: many motherfuckers can actually go to Oxford as opposed to
Speaker 1: can hang out on a beach? Like yeah, number two
Speaker 1: people used to die by drinking poop water because they know.
Speaker 1: It's just like, I'm a firm believer that time we
Speaker 1: eventually everything eventually gets better with time. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it's perfect. Yeah, it's not not perfect. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of problems. Obviously. It doesn't mean that there aren't problems
Speaker 1: and that people's problems don't matter. But like that whole
Speaker 1: idea of reality TV is like, look look at how
Speaker 1: everything's declined. It's like, I don't know, yeah, it's I mean,
Speaker 1: if you want to like look at Oxford and Cambridge
Speaker 1: think about how many people who went on to commit
Speaker 1: genocide in like British college. You're Oxford and Cambridge graduates.
Speaker 1: I'd rather have reality stars. Let's like, let's they've done.
Speaker 1: Reality TV show stars at this point have done less
Speaker 1: damage to society on a global level than graduates of
Speaker 1: Oxford and Cambridge. Absolutely like that that that's well documented,
Speaker 1: you know. Um, It's also worth noting that, like the
Speaker 1: applications thing is kind of like a little bit of
Speaker 1: a misnomer because only about half of the cast of
Speaker 1: Love Islander picked because they apply. Most of them are again,
Speaker 1: as we talked about earlier, head hunted, like because they
Speaker 1: have thriving social media accounts, like they're already influencers. And
Speaker 1: this is I think a lot of reality has moved
Speaker 1: this way. Why would you pick random people to be
Speaker 1: on your show in the hope that some of them
Speaker 1: will turn out to be stars instead of just like
Speaker 1: find people who are already have like thriving fashion instagrams
Speaker 1: or whatever. And but honestly that kind of bums me
Speaker 1: out because it was like, you can always at least
Speaker 1: break into reality TV if you some like cool main act.
Speaker 1: That was my plan. I was a date Flavor flav exactly.
Speaker 1: We were all gonna date Flavor Flavor. But now it's
Speaker 1: like even reality TV you have to like have a
Speaker 1: resume for It's heartbreaking. Yeah, it's that idea of like
Speaker 1: to be an intern you have to have like four
Speaker 1: years of experience already. It's that it's for for reality TV.
Speaker 1: It's like, come on, come on guys. Yeah. So yeah, um,
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. Um. The first Love Island suicide was
Speaker 1: Sophie Graydon, age thirty two. She was a former beauty
Speaker 1: queen who had spent a lot of time raising money
Speaker 1: for kids with cancer. She seems nice. When she showed
Speaker 1: up on the show, her fan base exploded, but a
Speaker 1: ton of people also got angry that she paired off
Speaker 1: with some guy they had a para social relationship with. Right, Like,
Speaker 1: she starts I think, I'm not an expert on the show,
Speaker 1: but she starts dating a guy, and fans of that
Speaker 1: guy within the community of Love Island fans starts harassing her. Um,
Speaker 1: it's great. So Grayden said this in an interview with
Speaker 1: Radio Eerie. I think it's like the Irish radio station. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's Radio Eerie, UM or ire or whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Look, I've been to Ireland a bunch.
Speaker 1: It's hard to say things in Ireland. I usually just
Speaker 1: I usually just nod and smile politely quote it was horrific,
Speaker 1: this is and this is again great in talking about
Speaker 1: the harassment she gets when she dates this guy. It
Speaker 1: was horrific. I think when you get so many comments
Speaker 1: on the scale we did, coming out of thousands of followers,
Speaker 1: sometimes I would look for it. There would be so
Speaker 1: many negative comments. They're commenting on the way you look,
Speaker 1: the way you talk. They would come up with an
Speaker 1: opinion if you want a TV show where they're we've
Speaker 1: watched you for forty five minutes and uh yeah, Like
Speaker 1: that is how the internet works. Like if you've ever
Speaker 1: I fucking I posted a video of like my cat
Speaker 1: does this weird thing. She was never weaned, you know, Raja,
Speaker 1: and she'll like, yeah, you've taken care of her for months,
Speaker 1: exactly what you're about to talk. Yeah, She'll she'll stick
Speaker 1: her tongue out and she'll like flip it in the air.
Speaker 1: And she likes to stand next to running faucets and
Speaker 1: just stare at them and do that with your tongue.
Speaker 1: That's her hobby. It's her religion. She looks like the
Speaker 1: pervert on the bus. Yeah, Like he's like just staring
Speaker 1: blankly and licking the air. Yeah, my cat does a
Speaker 1: similar thing. It sticks her. Yeah. When I when I
Speaker 1: cat sat, I would have my cat drooling in my
Speaker 1: armpit and Rajah sitting near my shoulder licking north near
Speaker 1: my You can hear it, like it's weird. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: so I post a video if you're doing this because
Speaker 1: it's cute, and a bunch of people are like, this
Speaker 1: means you're cat's dehydrated. You gotta lie and like like
Speaker 1: suddenly like this flood of ship which is not till
Speaker 1: you compare that to harassment, but it's like it's overwhelming,
Speaker 1: like whenever a large group of people on the internet
Speaker 1: decide to all do the same thing, and if that
Speaker 1: thing they decide to do is harass you, like it
Speaker 1: can destroy you. It does destroy people. It's the anytime
Speaker 1: I have a tweet that goes viral, it's just like
Speaker 1: tons of those, which I imagine is like the average
Speaker 1: average experience for a woman on Twitter. Uh and and
Speaker 1: I only get like a taste of it. And when
Speaker 1: you get that taste, it's like my it's not been
Speaker 1: like harassing. Sometimes it's just like people be correcting things
Speaker 1: or like saying the same joke back to you, and
Speaker 1: and it's just like, oh, it all takes up a
Speaker 1: little bit of yeah, and it's it was overwhelming, And
Speaker 1: like the show Love Island to talk about like their culpability.
Speaker 1: They have to know this is going to happen to
Speaker 1: their hosts, like to their I don't know what term
Speaker 1: they use, not hosts probably, but like contestants, this happens.
Speaker 1: We know this happens if you don't build a way
Speaker 1: into like take care of people and anticipate that they
Speaker 1: will be dealing with this. If you just leave them
Speaker 1: to like swing in the wind, it is partly your
Speaker 1: fault when bad things happen, right, I know. I said
Speaker 1: in the last episode that, like it feels like people
Speaker 1: would get used to it overtime reality TV. But this
Speaker 1: is a new component. Is the Internet created cyber bullying,
Speaker 1: which you don't even have to be on a reality
Speaker 1: TV show to be affected by this. Yeah and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just like the worst version of the things that
Speaker 1: we all always deal with, like versions of everybody deals
Speaker 1: with little pieces of this. Sophie gets on this and
Speaker 1: deals with just a directed torrent of abuse. Later the
Speaker 1: year that year, like a few months after that interview
Speaker 1: she gave where she talks about how overwhelming it is,
Speaker 1: she hangs herself at her family home. Um, her boyfriend
Speaker 1: finds the body, he kills himself less than three weeks later. Um,
Speaker 1: it's it's a fucking rough story. Um. Now the coroner
Speaker 1: they find cocaine and alcohol in her system, and the
Speaker 1: coroner blames her suicide on that, which is probably why
Speaker 1: people don't ask coroners for opinions on things a lot,
Speaker 1: because like, I mean, why was she getting all fucked up?
Speaker 1: You know? I mean I'm sure, yes, if somebody is
Speaker 1: doing a shipload of cocaine and drinking and then they
Speaker 1: kill themselves, the fact that they were inebriated, it's not
Speaker 1: unreasonable to say, well, perhaps that influenced it. But like
Speaker 1: also it's always more complicated than that. Maybe they were
Speaker 1: needing to get fucked up because they had like the
Speaker 1: traumatized by listen like torrent of abuse. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: not one of them fancy mind scientists, but like I imagine,
Speaker 1: if you're contemplating suicide, uh, you get fucked up first
Speaker 1: to carry it out. Sure that too, Like, uh, like
Speaker 1: that's part of it. Yeah, it's hard to like, it's
Speaker 1: that thing. It's like I've never gotten I've never done
Speaker 1: so much cocaine that i decided to hang myself. That
Speaker 1: has to be a decision that I've made before that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and maybe you do the cocaine because you just again
Speaker 1: we could we could talk about because you like cocaine.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's worth noting that, like this has become
Speaker 1: a bit of a pattern for Love Island Stars less
Speaker 1: than a year after her suicide. Uh, contestant Mike Thlastis Sallastitis.
Speaker 1: I think he's Greek Um committed suicide in a similar
Speaker 1: situation after taking a lot of cocaine and alcohol. Um,
Speaker 1: like great, and he had stuff going on in his
Speaker 1: life beyond the show. I think his grandmother had just
Speaker 1: died like he had. He was sad for a number
Speaker 1: of reasons. But also it's worth noting, like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: maybe the fact that this is a party show about
Speaker 1: partying young people, where everyone's drinking on screen and everybody's
Speaker 1: taking cocaine off screen, maybe this culture also does things
Speaker 1: that are unhealthy to people and put them in more
Speaker 1: vulnerable positions combined with the Internet ship exactly perfect storm
Speaker 1: to Yeah, a young impressionable person and you you crank
Speaker 1: them through this machine and some of them will make it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: some of them will not make it. Um. Critics attacked
Speaker 1: the series for not taking care of its contestants, are
Speaker 1: providing any mental health care to deal with the strain um.
Speaker 1: Caroline Flack, who hosted the show, defended it to Cosmo
Speaker 1: in an interview, quote, It's dangerous and I'm really really angry.
Speaker 1: It's not just that you're blaming a TV show. You're
Speaker 1: blaming people in their jobs. In life. We all have
Speaker 1: a duty to look out for each other. But I
Speaker 1: don't think it's fair to point fingers of blame. So
Speaker 1: Caroline says that, like attacking the show for having something
Speaker 1: to do with these suicides is really unfair. She's she's
Speaker 1: as the host of the show, is very vocal about that.
Speaker 1: A year later, she's removed from her job hosting Love
Speaker 1: Island after she was accused of assaulting her boyfriend with
Speaker 1: a lamp. She denied the charges and was gearing up
Speaker 1: to fight it in court when she committed suicide as well.
Speaker 1: So that might again it's never just the show. There's
Speaker 1: obviously different stuff going on with all these people, but like,
Speaker 1: this doesn't happen because the show is fine, And do
Speaker 1: we know what the behind the scenes is here not? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just wild that like, like I know, I know
Speaker 1: plenty of sex workers. I know people who worked for say,
Speaker 1: kink dot com, um, and I'm sure in that industry
Speaker 1: there's always scumbags, there's always shitty things. But a website
Speaker 1: like that, they're actually very careful behind the scenes because
Speaker 1: they know they have to be because they're dealing with
Speaker 1: something that you know, could easily something um bad could
Speaker 1: happen if they're not careful. Yeah, you're playing you know,
Speaker 1: you're playing with fire. And like obviously they're there's criticisms
Speaker 1: to make, like kink dot com and stuff, but they
Speaker 1: they they had more much more built in than you
Speaker 1: had in Love Island up to right, And that's I
Speaker 1: guess that's what surprises me is that we watch reality
Speaker 1: TV because it's it's toxic, yeah, and that's the fun
Speaker 1: of it. So you would think that because of that
Speaker 1: they would be extra careful. Yeah, and yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: I have friends who do heroin and they tend to
Speaker 1: make sure that, like they've got a buddy to do
Speaker 1: heroin with who has narcan, which I'm not endorsing doing heroin,
Speaker 1: but it's this thing you do. You know, if in
Speaker 1: any other facet of life, if you know you're gonna
Speaker 1: do something toxic, you like make sure you take some
Speaker 1: steps to Like I'm gonna go out drinking. It's bad
Speaker 1: for me, I'm gonna make sure I take a cab home,
Speaker 1: you know, but mitigates the damage. If a specific industry
Speaker 1: is depicting something that's seen as dangerous or seen as wrong,
Speaker 1: whether or not it is, um, you would, you know,
Speaker 1: you would take steps about that. And that's what's incredible
Speaker 1: to me about these reality TV shows is that they're
Speaker 1: more widely accepted than industries that are more careful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that is wild to me. Yeah. When I was
Speaker 1: buying random powdered drugs from dudes at parties, some of
Speaker 1: them would even bring their own testing kits and you
Speaker 1: could be like, oh, yeah, this is an actual this
Speaker 1: is actually the drug I'm paying for. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: that's just good business. That's just good business. Let my
Speaker 1: drug dealer from two thousand seven run Love Island that's
Speaker 1: what I write today. Well, yeah, because when when a
Speaker 1: group of people are more scrutinized than they're just or
Speaker 1: like they have a built in scrutiny, like they're dealing drugs,
Speaker 1: like they know like okay, I have to be on
Speaker 1: my best damn behavior, which is getting careful. Yeah. Not
Speaker 1: all drug dealers are as good. Some drug dealers are bad,
Speaker 1: but as a general rule, they are the most moral
Speaker 1: people in our society. I think we can all expect
Speaker 1: on that. It's like a mosh pit. Is the reason
Speaker 1: mosh pits exist is because they kind of over in
Speaker 1: themselves usually. Yeah, and so I guess my what this
Speaker 1: all comes down to that's amazing to me is that
Speaker 1: they didn't think to do this for reality TV especially
Speaker 1: something is toxic as this, where it's like they should
Speaker 1: have people they're specifically to work on the mental health
Speaker 1: of the people here. It shouldn't take three suicides before
Speaker 1: the show was like, yeah, we probably have somebody. No,
Speaker 1: it should have been their day. Yeah, that should that
Speaker 1: that should have been their day. Like we've been joking
Speaker 1: about like drug dealers and stuff. But this isn't in
Speaker 1: its own way as reckless as like all right, well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have some guns on set for this gunfight scene.
Speaker 1: Who's gonna make sure the gun stuff safe? Well? How
Speaker 1: about much he's watched a lot of movies. Let's just
Speaker 1: have Mitch running okay, right? Yeah, And I think it's
Speaker 1: big in the entertainment industry because I know, you know,
Speaker 1: we people talk about people like Kubrick and like, you know,
Speaker 1: big artist directors who sacrifice the mental health of actors
Speaker 1: for art, and it's like, yeah, that's it's weird that
Speaker 1: we're only now coming around to that where it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, there there should be someone on any set
Speaker 1: being in charge of this ship, especially reality TV. It's
Speaker 1: just conte it is. It's very wild. But you know, Dave,
Speaker 1: you know who does hold us accountable here behind the bastards.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna say, Jesus, are you? You know, David
Speaker 1: is Jesus Christ. And let me tell you a lot
Speaker 1: of people are going to say, this is a weird
Speaker 1: time for for Robert to reveal that he's an evangelical
Speaker 1: Christian and that this whole show has been about trying
Speaker 1: to get you because your Buddhist day if you're fallen. Now, David,
Speaker 1: let me tell fallen. Let me tell you, where are
Speaker 1: you going with this? I I really don't know the
Speaker 1: funny if I, if I had spent more time studying,
Speaker 1: it would have been really funny if I started proselytizing today,
Speaker 1: and it would become obvious over the course of it's
Speaker 1: Zoroastrianism and that I've mixed that up with Christianity. And
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get him like pilled on a hura mazda.
Speaker 1: But I didn't prep. I didn't prep. You know, I'm sorry, Robert.
Speaker 1: Just go back to I love war crimes. Shit, shit,
Speaker 1: Oh we're back. Oh boy, what a great ad break,
Speaker 1: So Dave. After three three suicides, Um, the producers of
Speaker 1: Love Island decided we should make things less horrible, and
Speaker 1: they put in a bunch of like safety measures and
Speaker 1: stuff like they actually do institute a bunch of different
Speaker 1: things to try and make the show less toxic to
Speaker 1: its cast. Um. Yeah, it's interesting because I found a
Speaker 1: Guardian article discussing the ways in which the producers have
Speaker 1: tried to make the show less toxic. The attitude it
Speaker 1: takes is like this is all good and necessary and
Speaker 1: also it's going to ruin the show. Um. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna read a quote from that article, babe, which is
Speaker 1: a bit of a doozy. The bikini clad babes and
Speaker 1: shirtless hunks entering this year's villa will have undergone stringent
Speaker 1: checks to assess whether they are emotionally and mentally resilient
Speaker 1: enough to take part in the show. Well into graphics
Speaker 1: aired on screen will remind viewers to think before they
Speaker 1: post about the stars on social media in the hope
Speaker 1: of discouraging trolling. During filming, there will be a welfare
Speaker 1: team on set, while contestants will also be offered comprehensive
Speaker 1: psychological support on exiting the villa, in addition to social
Speaker 1: media and financial management training. It is laudable that Love
Speaker 1: Island bosses are seeking to improve the support packages they
Speaker 1: offer contestants on such a high profile and profitable show,
Speaker 1: but their efforts ignore one fundamental truth. You can't make
Speaker 1: reality TV ethical and entertaining. Trying to make Love Island
Speaker 1: responsibly is like enlisting Peter to run a bear pit.
Speaker 1: They'll do it, but it will be a snooze fest. Wow,
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on there. That's a lot. First
Speaker 1: of all, the writer is like, I like a good
Speaker 1: bear pit, God damn it. Bear fighting, Yeah, as fucking wild.
Speaker 1: It's something else. Comparing it to a bear pit is
Speaker 1: very telling because it's like that that's is more about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the writer who's like, I want to see these young
Speaker 1: people fucking kill themselves, damn it. I think they're ultimately
Speaker 1: being I think ultimately their attitude is like like bear pits,
Speaker 1: we don't need shows like this, and maybe if the
Speaker 1: fact that performing them ruins them means that we shouldn't
Speaker 1: have them at all. But there's still a wild way
Speaker 1: to frame it. Yeah, they're they're half right. I think
Speaker 1: that reality TV needs to be and I think is
Speaker 1: occasionally like wrestling. I don't think it needs to be real.
Speaker 1: Why would it be real? It could be scripted. It's
Speaker 1: there's no reason it can't be unless it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: a great British bake off, although who knows what amount
Speaker 1: of cocaine they're doing on the set of that. We
Speaker 1: don't know they could be doing all the cocaine, but
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, where it's like, unless
Speaker 1: it's a very very uh structured competition, then just scripted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it gives a ship scripted and then also pay the um, screenwriter,
Speaker 1: the writer whatever the w g A yeah, oh wait, nope, nope,
Speaker 1: that's that. They're never got to do that. No, I
Speaker 1: mean not even pro wrestling really pays, you know, their
Speaker 1: contractors and ship, so like, you know, they'll do all
Speaker 1: the things that everybody does to get around that ship.
Speaker 1: But at least uh scripted, at least at least give it,
Speaker 1: try and do a little bit. Guys, come on, right
Speaker 1: And if people are like, oh, that ruins it, well,
Speaker 1: guess what they're not going to tell you. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: they already do this. Maybe they already do it, and
Speaker 1: maybe so Love Island, like a lot of similar shows,
Speaker 1: thrived by applying young, hot people with alcohol and behind
Speaker 1: the scenes other drugs and smashing them together to create
Speaker 1: fights and drama they could then market to an audience.
Speaker 1: When you do that to enough people, your show will
Speaker 1: wind up at least associated with some suicides. Um and
Speaker 1: the author of this article is probably right. If it
Speaker 1: were the kind of show that could have cast three,
Speaker 1: that that could have three cast members commit suicide in
Speaker 1: like a two year period, it would not be as
Speaker 1: popular as it has been. The ugly reality is that
Speaker 1: people like nasty stuff and the best evidence in support
Speaker 1: of that is the last show we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about today, Dave. I have a quick question though, did
Speaker 1: Love Island did the ratings drop off? That's a good question, Dave,
Speaker 1: because this all happened pretty recently. The find by the
Speaker 1: way financial you said a financial advisor, Yeah, I would do.
Speaker 1: I would do a reality TV show just to be paid,
Speaker 1: and a financial advisor like I wouldn't even need money,
Speaker 1: just like a free person to tell me how to
Speaker 1: spend my money. Um. But yeah, I uh, I'm curious
Speaker 1: to know how it's doing now. Anyway you are, you
Speaker 1: were introducing another show. It doesn't seem like it's It
Speaker 1: did great in its last season finale. The the article
Speaker 1: I found from rap pro is not a ton of
Speaker 1: love for Love Island season finale. I mean, if your
Speaker 1: core audience likes bullying people till they kill themselves, they're
Speaker 1: not gonna like the cleaned up the show that no
Speaker 1: longer urges people to do that. Um, Dave, have you
Speaker 1: ever heard of the Jeremy Kyle Show? No? Who is that?
Speaker 1: Oh boy? Well, it's a British show and it's an
Speaker 1: unscripted show and it's kind of like a hybrid of
Speaker 1: Jerry Springer and like Dr Phil and kind of more
Speaker 1: like reality stuff like that. Um, there's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a game show element to it. Here's how an
Speaker 1: article by The Guardian described it. The Jeremy Kyle Show
Speaker 1: ran for three thousand episodes over fourteen years on i
Speaker 1: t V and was at times the channel's most popular
Speaker 1: daytime show. More than one million viewers regularly watched as
Speaker 1: its guests argued over paternity, addiction, deceit and betrayal, while
Speaker 1: Kyle bade and roared in their faces. I TV claimed
Speaker 1: that the purpose of the show was to provide conflict
Speaker 1: resolution for its guests. So we're well aware of the
Speaker 1: basics of this, but one of the things that makes
Speaker 1: it really more reality than anything is that, like the
Speaker 1: core of The Jeremy Kyle Show was light detector to tests,
Speaker 1: right where people would come in being like, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if my girlfriend's cheating on me, i think my
Speaker 1: boyfriend's cheating on me, or I think like my son lied,
Speaker 1: or I think like my friend like, and they would
Speaker 1: go in and get a light detector test, and which
Speaker 1: of course is an exact science. Yeah, we'll talk about
Speaker 1: how bad light detectors are in a little bit, but like,
Speaker 1: so a big part of this is number one, light
Speaker 1: detector tests are expensive in the UK. I think I
Speaker 1: heard it was like five pounds for a test, and
Speaker 1: so a lot of people coming on were desperate because
Speaker 1: it's like, my girlfriend thinks I'm cheating and if I
Speaker 1: can't get a light detector tests, she's going to leave me.
Speaker 1: And the Jeremy Kyle Show will give me a free
Speaker 1: one if I agree to get on screen and let
Speaker 1: like the host of this show basically like mock me.
Speaker 1: So Jeremy fucking Kyle is like the ultimate rich kid.
Speaker 1: He goes to I don't know if it's eaten. He
Speaker 1: goes to one of these like fancy British boarding schools
Speaker 1: where he's literally in classes with a future Prime minister. Um.
Speaker 1: So he's like the upper wrist rust a kid can have.
Speaker 1: He has deep connections in the British media, like that's
Speaker 1: how he gets this show. Um. But the whole series
Speaker 1: is him sitting down with like poor people who are
Speaker 1: having like poor people problems and kind of snight ly
Speaker 1: mocking them, um, and then giving them these light detector
Speaker 1: tests that are to them the most important thing in
Speaker 1: the world because you know they're at risk of losing
Speaker 1: their spouse or whatever, and turning that into content. And
Speaker 1: then if the test winds up showing that you know
Speaker 1: they've lied or whatever, he gets to yell at them
Speaker 1: and berate them. This like rich upper crust dude attacking
Speaker 1: poor people in the worst moments in their life. That's
Speaker 1: the whole Jeremy Kyle shows. So he's just it's he's
Speaker 1: one of those people that makes you wish hell existed. Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna I've just sent Sophie a video um
Speaker 1: that is a a light detector uh, like the results
Speaker 1: of a light detector test. And so you can hear
Speaker 1: Jeremy Kyle as as this whole situation happens. It's it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a good time spill punch a face. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, how could he not have one? No man?
Speaker 1: And is this a hate watcher? I assume people watch it? No, Well,
Speaker 1: I think it's like, I think it's closer to Dr
Speaker 1: Phil than anything. Yikes. Yeah, marks on the Jeremy car Show.
Speaker 1: Has my fiancee cheated because she doesn't find me attractive?
Speaker 1: Problems For a long time, the way I look things
Speaker 1: like I've never liked you, say that she would when
Speaker 1: she made you. You're engaging five? Is you say this
Speaker 1: all started because when I meant is she would try
Speaker 1: and change me. She tried to style me. What We
Speaker 1: got to a point where I just right, you'll have
Speaker 1: me that you want it, you dress me how you
Speaker 1: want me, and so other borns jekes put in the
Speaker 1: air and got enough and she just made the way
Speaker 1: she wanted and it's still enough. So no, even she
Speaker 1: makes you feel inadequate because she tries to change, she
Speaker 1: tells you. But look at those dead eyes. This is
Speaker 1: important as well. People around him told you that she's
Speaker 1: a cheat. They told you, Prince he getting in our
Speaker 1: house and if I go up to look at the phone,
Speaker 1: play him on the phone and sees he'll grab it
Speaker 1: straight away. No, no, no, no, no, it's not fair.
Speaker 1: People have watched jeremy carhow either here or at home. Actually,
Speaker 1: do look at his body? Lang when I mean you
Speaker 1: can't trust somebody? Is that he is? He's so grossed
Speaker 1: out to be sitting with a poor said, yes, it's yes,
Speaker 1: It's like he's sitting with a monster still in the
Speaker 1: box of selt just pictures of the box of salt.
Speaker 1: You really love this woman, don't you? Five years? He say,
Speaker 1: I want to marry her. She says, you know what, pal,
Speaker 1: this is in your head. This has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with me. Just because I look at men doesn't mean
Speaker 1: I'm going to do anything. It's just a human reaction.
Speaker 1: What happens if she causes this? This is in your
Speaker 1: head right asologizing obviously going after what if she's a liar?
Speaker 1: Are you gone? I don't know, my friend, piece of ship,
Speaker 1: like he rose up like sins like like if I
Speaker 1: saw someone stand like that in the wild, I would
Speaker 1: want to hit him. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think we
Speaker 1: need to go through I don't care if this lady
Speaker 1: because like number one, like that's not certainly whether or
Speaker 1: not cheating should be just the cause to end the
Speaker 1: relationship is not a thing to be decided on live
Speaker 1: reality television, right, Um, none of them. But also like
Speaker 1: they're desperate, you know, they're poor, they can't afford the
Speaker 1: light detector tests. They have been lied to by media
Speaker 1: to believe that light detector tests is the end all
Speaker 1: be all. Um, they're just so just none of our business.
Speaker 1: One thing, if she was like running an underground bare Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good show. Yeah, I'd be like, I want
Speaker 1: to know if she's doing that, but like if she's
Speaker 1: cheating on some guy, I don't know these fucking people.
Speaker 1: They're not my friends. It's because you don't want to
Speaker 1: see and they like obviously some of these end in fights.
Speaker 1: They end with people weeping on stage. The Jeremy Kyle
Speaker 1: gets to like yell at folks and call them scum
Speaker 1: and say like you need to you know, grow you
Speaker 1: grow up here, you need to accept reality all Eddie.
Speaker 1: He gets to like he gets to do like Dr
Speaker 1: Laura stuff, if anyone remembers Dr Laura. There's a bit
Speaker 1: of that in Jeremy Kyle. Part of why I'm not
Speaker 1: doing dedicating like a whole you could do. There's a
Speaker 1: great documentary I think it's a BBC documentary out about
Speaker 1: the Jeremy Kyle Show because of the things that we're
Speaker 1: about to talk about. Um more could be done and said,
Speaker 1: and I hope someone, when else with a podcast, does
Speaker 1: a good three hours on it. I'm not in part
Speaker 1: because a lot of Wyatt's So Fucked Up has to
Speaker 1: do with like very class issues in in in UK.
Speaker 1: Society right, like he's Yes, he's also not terribly impressive,
Speaker 1: like he doesn't like necessarily a sociopath. He doesn't look
Speaker 1: like an evil genius. He just looks like a like
Speaker 1: an asshole, like just a rich asshole. Like it gives
Speaker 1: a side part motherfucker. He is one of a long
Speaker 1: line of British aristocrats mining the poor in order to
Speaker 1: make themselves comfortable. He's just doing it in a way
Speaker 1: that's very directed on TV. Yeah, so that's cool, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a lucky weener, you know, like there's nothing special
Speaker 1: about him. He would have been somebody else if if
Speaker 1: he didn't do this. But you know what is special, Dave,
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is special, um in that I
Speaker 1: don't know, you keep pivoting to this, Dave, And I'm
Speaker 1: not as good as yes ending, So I don't know
Speaker 1: where to take this. You know who's bigger than Jesus, Dave? Uh.
Speaker 1: The products and services that support this podcasts were shipped
Speaker 1: by more humans around the world than Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
Speaker 1: They can easily take Jesus And you know what, Jesus
Speaker 1: rose from the dead based off a ghost. Is there
Speaker 1: something there. I don't know, you know, I mean, there's
Speaker 1: only one way to find out. Way to find out. Listen, listen,
Speaker 1: motherfucker's all right, we're back. So in two thousand five,
Speaker 1: the passons Paul and Erica posson We're having marriage trouble.
Speaker 1: Paul had cheated on his wife and he hoped that
Speaker 1: going on the show would help them to fix things,
Speaker 1: which does suggest that Paul's not great at decision making.
Speaker 1: So you know, this has maybe some people who are
Speaker 1: not great at relationship conflict resolution as it is, and
Speaker 1: they decided to go on The Jeremy Kyle Show to
Speaker 1: deal with this problem. Jeremy Kyle goes out of his
Speaker 1: way to turn these two even more against each other. Um.
Speaker 1: He asks Erika on stage if she wants Paul to
Speaker 1: leave her UM. She says yes, and so Paul uh
Speaker 1: leaves her UM. Days later, she commits suicide. The show
Speaker 1: never airs, which is evidence that the producers felt they
Speaker 1: may have had some complicity in what happened. The Guardian continues, quote,
Speaker 1: guests appeared on The Jeremy Kyle Show out of desperation
Speaker 1: because of some conflict in their private life that they
Speaker 1: were trying to resolve, and the program took advantage of that.
Speaker 1: Our documentary shows the case of a woman whose doctor
Speaker 1: was a heroin addict in a very very ill state.
Speaker 1: The family couldn't afford rehab, so they went on the
Speaker 1: show because when it did when it did items about
Speaker 1: drug addicts, it would offer rehab. They claimed that they
Speaker 1: were told that they were in a competition to win
Speaker 1: the rehab and that as there were other guests with
Speaker 1: drug addictions, the family that most needed it would get it.
Speaker 1: They say that they were wound up by the production
Speaker 1: team to heighten the drama of the conflict on stage,
Speaker 1: and that it was a lie. They were always going
Speaker 1: to get offered rehab. Jesus Christ when that fucked up?
Speaker 1: So wait, wait, wait, they were always going to get
Speaker 1: rehab no matter what. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for going on
Speaker 1: the show, they were going to get sent to rehab. Okay,
Speaker 1: that well, that's that's better than what they say. Well,
Speaker 1: but that's the pub But they still told them that
Speaker 1: they have to compete for rehab. The guests did not
Speaker 1: know that they were getting we have anyway they were,
Speaker 1: so they were set to pity each other against each other,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure that the producers. They're like, they'll be
Speaker 1: happy at the end because then everybody gets rehab. So
Speaker 1: it's okay. It's actually worse than if you'd given only
Speaker 1: one of them rehab. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty bad. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's both. I don't know what the like. I
Speaker 1: guess the right answer is to just give them rehab,
Speaker 1: and like, just get people rehab is to the extent
Speaker 1: that it works. Yeah, the right just like run an
Speaker 1: episode of Sherlock where the show would go and that's
Speaker 1: what you do. The moral answer is to provide people
Speaker 1: with options for drug addiction treatment that are not reliant
Speaker 1: upon them showing up on TV and embarrassing themselves like that.
Speaker 1: That is the actual solution. To have a government that
Speaker 1: just does that, so a reality TV show doesn't prey
Speaker 1: on people who desperately need this stuff. Yes, that is
Speaker 1: that is it. That is the option. And to have
Speaker 1: again a government bureau of people in suits who walk
Speaker 1: around and when someone's like I want to make a
Speaker 1: reality show where desperate people suffering drug addiction have to
Speaker 1: compete in order to get treatment, a man shows up
Speaker 1: at their door and hits them once in the jaw.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and then in America. There needs to be
Speaker 1: a bureau that makes sure everybody goes to jail at
Speaker 1: least for one day for that show. For sure. Absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're we're cooking here. And then finally one that talks
Speaker 1: about the power of Jesus Christ. Everybody absolutely yes, of course, um, yes,
Speaker 1: the power of Jesus Christ to sell Casper mattresses with
Speaker 1: with promo code he has risen. You can get a
Speaker 1: Casper mattress that you'll want to sleep on for three days.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. Yeah, and you have Jesus coming off coming
Speaker 1: off of the mattress. You do you do? Are you
Speaker 1: do a bit where after three days they're like, why
Speaker 1: hasn't he come out? It's like because he has a
Speaker 1: because he's got a sleeping in there still a good time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: God damn, we should make ads. Come on. I don't
Speaker 1: think we've ever gotten money from Oh you will now
Speaker 1: we will now it'll come rolling in now. Yeah. Better
Speaker 1: than religion. So I t V claims that they do
Speaker 1: not accept the central allegation that there was a bad
Speaker 1: culture within the production team. They issued a statement saying
Speaker 1: they would never condone any of its production staff misleading
Speaker 1: or lying to guests, but the documentary showed guests being
Speaker 1: put into separate rooms while production staff would go back
Speaker 1: and forth saying like, oh, we've just talked about to
Speaker 1: this person in the other room and they said this
Speaker 1: about you. And then they go to the next person
Speaker 1: and say, well, well they said this about you. Like
Speaker 1: they were trying to get people to fight on stage
Speaker 1: and this is how they would do. Yeah, The Guardian continues.
Speaker 1: The whistleblowers in this documentary told us that after filming,
Speaker 1: the shows were graded, with the top grade given to
Speaker 1: the show with the most conflict. Junior members of the
Speaker 1: staff say that the pressure on them to continually deliver
Speaker 1: guests would argue dramatically on stage led to them being
Speaker 1: lax with the details they filed on a contributor welfare checklists.
Speaker 1: They were pushed into a place where they didn't think
Speaker 1: about the interests of guests properly, and now they carry
Speaker 1: a terrible guilt. Many ex employees are still too scared
Speaker 1: to speak about it. YEA, yeah, it's it's like sounds
Speaker 1: like Hollywood baby, Yeah, well it sounds like yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it also sounds like how the internet works now too.
Speaker 1: It's like I know someone who worked for a certain
Speaker 1: website that it's not something we worked for. I'm not
Speaker 1: being like COI for that reason. A certain website that
Speaker 1: isn't around anymore that would like post everybody's like page
Speaker 1: counts at the beginning of the day, and that was
Speaker 1: the most important thing. Clicks, clicks, clicks, And it's it's
Speaker 1: that thing of like if you prioritize that over you know,
Speaker 1: basic human decency, you know, like, oh, who can who
Speaker 1: can give us the loudest, biggest, angriest show. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be bad. It's their things are gonna happen,
Speaker 1: They're gonna get lawsuits, people are gonna hurt themselves. It's
Speaker 1: just yeah, it's awful. It's not it's not you know,
Speaker 1: it's not good, Dave, I'll say that much. No, it's
Speaker 1: it's definitely. Yeah. I think I think we can agree
Speaker 1: that it's not good. Yeah, yeah, it's so. Obviously most
Speaker 1: of what was on the Jeremy Kyle Show was not new.
Speaker 1: The way they used light detectors was right. That was
Speaker 1: really the big thing that they innovated on. Like a
Speaker 1: lot of this. The Doctor Phil Show made most of
Speaker 1: their money on people with addiction, who they would like
Speaker 1: send to rehab, but first they have to turn their
Speaker 1: pain into content. Right, that part is not new, but
Speaker 1: the whole, like plying people to with like promises of
Speaker 1: a free light detector test in order to monetize their pain,
Speaker 1: that's pretty new. Um, and that Jeremy Jeremy Kyle made
Speaker 1: millions doing this. It's the extra Yeah, the fact that
Speaker 1: it's people who can't afford things. Yeah, it's like it's
Speaker 1: like if they made a show called Who Wants to
Speaker 1: Have Healthcare? Yeah? Who wants to get surge? Oh, you're
Speaker 1: talking about the opening show for Fox next season? Yeah,
Speaker 1: who wants to not die of cancer? I feel like
Speaker 1: I just gave some executive a bone. Yeah, it's it's not. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The guy from episode one just ejaculated spontaneously while he
Speaker 1: was standing in a meeting pitching a show where poor
Speaker 1: people are eaten by bears. Um that actually, I would
Speaker 1: watch a show where people get eaten by bears as
Speaker 1: long as they're people of No. If if it's a
Speaker 1: wide segment of socioeconomic classes getting eaten by bears, that's fine.
Speaker 1: A billionaire and a poor person both getting eaten by
Speaker 1: a bear, shar that's just good TV. You know that is, Yeah,
Speaker 1: do they get eaten or do they get to fight
Speaker 1: the bear? They get to try, They get to try.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing is, I don't want to see a
Speaker 1: bear get hurt. It's okay, we'll make sure they're polar bears. Okay.
Speaker 1: So it's like we tell them, oh, yeah, you could
Speaker 1: totally fight this bear, but then they can't. And then
Speaker 1: the twist in the show, just in case they're like
Speaker 1: in super good shape or something, is right before the
Speaker 1: bear gets let out, we hit him in the knee
Speaker 1: with like an iron bar and then run off. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So there, you know, it's just watching people get eaten
Speaker 1: by bears from Yeah, I feel like you only get
Speaker 1: one season because after for season two, people will be like, no,
Speaker 1: I've seen the show. I'm not gonna go on and
Speaker 1: we'll we swear you could take the bear and they're like, no,
Speaker 1: I know, I can't. You're gonna hit me in the knee.
Speaker 1: I think season two would be who wants to fight
Speaker 1: a bear? But this time we promised we don't hit
Speaker 1: you in the knee, and we give you a gun.
Speaker 1: But then it turns out the gun is like a
Speaker 1: reverse taser. So when they try to shoot the beart
Speaker 1: electric keets them and then the bear eats them. Stills
Speaker 1: pretty great. We should talk about another person who got
Speaker 1: killed by the Jeremy Kyle Show. So in two thousand nineteen,
Speaker 1: Steve Diamond was a guest on the show. Uh, and
Speaker 1: he's like in his sixties. Both he and his partner
Speaker 1: are like older folks. Uh. She suspected him of cheating,
Speaker 1: and he agreed to take a light detective test on
Speaker 1: camera to prove to his partner that he had not
Speaker 1: been unfaithful. The Jeremy Kyle Show, you know, was very
Speaker 1: happy to do this. So they all go on stage
Speaker 1: and they take the tests. Um, and the test shows
Speaker 1: that he's been cheating on his partner. Um. Now, later
Speaker 1: research would show that light detector tests on the show
Speaker 1: were at best se act it and light detectors do
Speaker 1: not detect lying. They detect a number of physiolotic logical
Speaker 1: symptoms that some people say are associated with lying. Or
Speaker 1: I don't know someone who's nervous, nervous the relationships on
Speaker 1: the line, and like, yeah, some rich fuckers is making
Speaker 1: fun of them in front of millions of people, and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: so Steve Diamond, who is adamant that he had not
Speaker 1: cheated on this woman who he loved and who was
Speaker 1: like his his entire life, like was bound up in
Speaker 1: this person he had been in this year's long relationship with.
Speaker 1: They're not young people, they've been together a long time.
Speaker 1: She believes he's cheated on him. He goes on the
Speaker 1: show to prove that he's been faithful, and the light
Speaker 1: detector says that he's lying. Um and this is like
Speaker 1: he his family and friends say that he, like Shaw,
Speaker 1: saw the show as a savior. The documentary. One of
Speaker 1: the rough parts of the documentary is it has a
Speaker 1: bunch of audio from phone calls he made to his
Speaker 1: partner talking about how like once the show was over,
Speaker 1: like everything would be fine and they'd be able to
Speaker 1: get back together, Like it would be this was going
Speaker 1: to solve everything. Um, so he the Jeremy Kyles Show says,
Speaker 1: this guy is lying, and he kills himself several days later,
Speaker 1: and once again the show has never aired. I TV
Speaker 1: actually cancels The Jeremy Kyle Show soon after Thank You.
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask if the show is still around,
Speaker 1: because that is I would argue a form of murder. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, yeah, they just murdered that man.
Speaker 1: They do seem a little bit murder lie detector on
Speaker 1: framed him or I mean, I don't know. It sounds
Speaker 1: like we don't know if he's unfaithful or not. But
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. They framed him as unfaithful through a
Speaker 1: shitty lie detector test. He clearly seems like he's innocent. Uh,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, that's a good old fashioned So that's good, Dave,
Speaker 1: that's good. Oh, hey, what's this? I just found an
Speaker 1: article from last September from the Manchester Evening News. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna read from this random article in the Manchester
Speaker 1: Evening newsday from last September. Sure, it's just a normal thing.
Speaker 1: Jeremy Kyle has announced his comeback after naming which I
Speaker 1: TV Stars reached out after his daytime show was axed.
Speaker 1: The TV presenter has broken his two and a half
Speaker 1: year silence after his program was canceled. The fifty six
Speaker 1: year old said he will fight back after announcing his
Speaker 1: return to broadcasting on talk radio. Kyle will host a
Speaker 1: weekday show from September through Step four to seven pm.
Speaker 1: A promotional video on social media said after two young,
Speaker 1: long years of chaos and division. One man is needed
Speaker 1: to make sense of it all. In an interview shared
Speaker 1: by the station, Kyle suggested he had been labeled by
Speaker 1: society as he set out his plans for his new show.
Speaker 1: He said, in a democracy, you should be able to
Speaker 1: ask and say what do you want? If you don't
Speaker 1: like the response, you don't throw your toys out of
Speaker 1: the pram. That's what I said. Listen, I have been
Speaker 1: canceled in this world. It seems now that unless you
Speaker 1: follow a certain path, you are labeled. You have to
Speaker 1: fight back, fighting back new show idea. Uh, this guy
Speaker 1: fighting absolutely and we hit him in the knee first
Speaker 1: to fuck him. What's really upsetting is that I now
Speaker 1: know that there were seventeen seasons of the show and
Speaker 1: three thousandsodes too many episodes. Um Also, one of the
Speaker 1: first people to reach out to him supporting him was
Speaker 1: Pierce Morgan, which should not be surprising to everybody, not
Speaker 1: to a single soul. Yeah, this is dystopia. This is
Speaker 1: straight up a dystopiate. It's a humor that that Arnold
Speaker 1: Schwarzenegger movie is at the Running Man where like it's
Speaker 1: a reality show basically, and they're like a reality game
Speaker 1: show that like, and it's this dystopian government that murders
Speaker 1: protesters and YadA, YadA, YadA. Every show in the Running
Speaker 1: Man is less dystopian than this, Like every like ad
Speaker 1: they have for a fake show, all of it wait
Speaker 1: less up than this because everybody sort of knows what
Speaker 1: the Running Man. They don't know they're executing the winners
Speaker 1: and stuff, but they know everyone else dies, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: and like everyone who shows up knows they'll probably die.
Speaker 1: And as opposed to I guess I can't afford a
Speaker 1: light detector test, which I have been lied to by
Speaker 1: a lot of media into believing is like the end
Speaker 1: all be all of truth. And so my only option
Speaker 1: to save my relationship is to go on the Jeremy
Speaker 1: Kyle Show. Whoops, Now my life is ruined. It's sanitized horror.
Speaker 1: It's it's the it's it's kind of like how a
Speaker 1: lot of things happen with our writing system and stuff,
Speaker 1: where it's like you can show any old fucked up thing,
Speaker 1: just no blood. It's that same idea, which is what
Speaker 1: they're doing is absolutely ghoulish. It's horror, but it's it's
Speaker 1: wrapped around this more sanitized version that they can step
Speaker 1: back and go it wasn't. It wasn't the culture of
Speaker 1: our show. You know, we have no control about what
Speaker 1: people do, and it's just makes me want to burn
Speaker 1: it all down. I'll say it right now. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of terrorists who I won't defend, but I have
Speaker 1: more respect for it than Jeremy Kyle because at least,
Speaker 1: like you know, they're putting some skin in the game,
Speaker 1: Jeremy Kyle is just hurting people to make money for nothing.
Speaker 1: Yea dystopian villain? Is he is the host of The
Speaker 1: Running Man? Yeah, essentially it is. That was Arnold. Look,
Speaker 1: I know you're having a bit of a renaissance because
Speaker 1: you've made a couple of good videos. When bad things
Speaker 1: have happened, Go murder Jeremy Kyle, like you did that
Speaker 1: guy in The Running Man, and that's that's a that's
Speaker 1: a third act. Or at least like slap him in
Speaker 1: the tank as hard as you can if Arnold Kelly,
Speaker 1: you don't want to murder somewhere because your celebrity just
Speaker 1: just slapped slap tap, tap him in the tank, choke
Speaker 1: him out so he poops his pants like Steven Seagal
Speaker 1: that one time, and we promised to forget that you
Speaker 1: were governor of California. That that that's a painty swear.
Speaker 1: Arnold almost forgotten that. Honestly, he boasted a couple of
Speaker 1: TikTok's with his donkey. I guess I'm not going to
Speaker 1: think about what he did for the oil and gas guy,
Speaker 1: the cute donkey, the cute donkey guy. Look, he's nice
Speaker 1: with his legitimate some that he hid with his maid.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of uncomfortable dimensions that we don't really
Speaker 1: think about anymore. Because he didn't make a pretty good
Speaker 1: video where he yelled at Nazis. Arnold is low. He's
Speaker 1: relatively fine, Arnold Schwarzenegger compared to all the war criminals
Speaker 1: in politics. Not that bad, not that not that yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean even better if he if he slaps this
Speaker 1: guy in the tank, slap him in the tank, Arnold,
Speaker 1: come on, buddy, yeah, you know, hold him upside down,
Speaker 1: uh and separate his legs and slap karate, chop him
Speaker 1: in the tank. You fuck this guy up, Arnold, and
Speaker 1: we will all agree to give you four more years
Speaker 1: of being an action star. And we just won't we
Speaker 1: won't say that, like, oh, buddy, you are just an
Speaker 1: old man now, and we don't really need to see
Speaker 1: you hitting people. That doesn't look great anymore. We'll all
Speaker 1: agree to pretend. We'll go watch the movies you funk up,
Speaker 1: Jeremy Kyle Arnold, and we'll get your back on this one.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about the same offer for Harrison Ford. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean he's he's just doing old from man action
Speaker 1: whether we like it or not. But like again, i'd
Speaker 1: love to see him karate chopped this guy on the team. Dave.
Speaker 1: There was a beautiful moment on one of your podcasts recently,
Speaker 1: were you and I think our old boss Jason Pargeon.
Speaker 1: We're talking about the most recent Indiana Jones movie, not
Speaker 1: the one that's about to come out, but the one
Speaker 1: with shy La Buff and we're like, yeah, seeing seeing
Speaker 1: Harrison Ford like fall onto car windshields and stuff as
Speaker 1: an old man, it doesn't look as cool. And I
Speaker 1: have a bit of a bone to pick because after
Speaker 1: he made that movie, he survived like three plane crashes.
Speaker 1: I do feel like he's actually durable enough. He is
Speaker 1: a he is a sky hazard, Yes he is. He's
Speaker 1: a durrible old guy, but it, yeah, doesn't level of tension.
Speaker 1: It's like watching the Undertaker wrestle now where he's like
Speaker 1: he's still around a few years ago. Yeah, those old
Speaker 1: fuckers are still around and you watch them wrestle and
Speaker 1: it's a whole new dimension of horror where you're like, no,
Speaker 1: your knees, no, oh God, like, please don't do that.
Speaker 1: You're like you're fucking up your back. Yeah, anyway, that's
Speaker 1: going to do it for us. This week a little
Speaker 1: bit of a Lucy Goosey week we got for you.
Speaker 1: But what do you what do you want? What do
Speaker 1: you want? I don't know. I do I want power.
Speaker 1: I do want power, Dave, the sweet, sweet power that
Speaker 1: you can only get from a full night's sleep on
Speaker 1: a Casper mattress. Casper mattress again. We robbed the graves
Speaker 1: of Egyptian peasants to steal the softest learnings and literally
Speaker 1: make you Jesus Christ. And we literally make you Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: How does this feel as an ongoing jokes over? You
Speaker 1: like this better than the child Hunting Island? I mean
Speaker 1: works out, I mean it kind of works It kind
Speaker 1: of feels like you're you're you're more pro and then
Speaker 1: I don't have to bleep it. Yeah. Well right, okay,
Speaker 1: I know that upsets you because I stopped marking it.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, you're actually like selling the ship. Maybe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like we should make ads for castor mess. I feel
Speaker 1: like we're going to get a call any day now.
Speaker 1: They're better than Jesus Christ. Um yeah, I mean like, well,
Speaker 1: I guess that's my Other plan was to start giving
Speaker 1: random sponsors credit for ancient war crimes, you know, like
Speaker 1: uh um um oh gosh uh single handedly responsible for
Speaker 1: the siege of Baghdad of twelve fifty eight, in which
Speaker 1: the city was burned in the fat of its burning
Speaker 1: citizens rolled through the streets like a like a like
Speaker 1: a torrent of rain. That's right. See, I I have
Speaker 1: to I have to believe that because they did, in fact,
Speaker 1: actually try to buy ad space in our show. Also,
Speaker 1: they did do that thing that did they were responsible
Speaker 1: for destroying the city of Baghdad in So yeah, that's tough.
Speaker 1: That's tough. What else? What can you do? You gotta
Speaker 1: bleep it. I guess you gotta bleep it, Dave, you
Speaker 1: gotta plug anything. Um, hold on, I I have a
Speaker 1: Twitter at movie Hoole. Again. If people want to follow me.
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Speaker 1: If you got a Patreon dot com slash gamefully Unemployed
Speaker 1: for five dollars a month. We have a bunch of
Speaker 1: exclusive podcasts on there. We also watch movies every Friday
Speaker 1: night with our patrons. We also just have like free ship.
Speaker 1: If you just google gamefully Unemployed wherever you get your podcasts,
Speaker 1: you can see all that. It's it's mostly movie stuff.
Speaker 1: In fact, it's exclusively movie stuff. We do movie reviews.
Speaker 1: We just did depending on where this came out. The
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck film deep Water, erotic thriller. Everybody go see
Speaker 1: it or don't. So I guess I also want to
Speaker 1: plug deep Water with Ben Affleck. Oh yeah, absolutely, it's
Speaker 1: mostly him killing himbos, so everybody can get behind that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who doesn't support killing a himbo? Now and again, I
Speaker 1: thought I thought you were going to bring up Ben
Speaker 1: Affleck's back tattoo, which is one of your favorite things
Speaker 1: to do, Robert, Oh, yeah, we all love Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I mean I would say that, but I have a
Speaker 1: lot of writing to do. I just can't. I just can't,
Speaker 1: you know, immediately start masturbating after this call which is
Speaker 1: what I do whenever I think about Ben Affleck's back fee.
Speaker 1: You should do a behind the back tattoo. Behind the
Speaker 1: back tattoos. Yeah, it's just it's just gonna be me
Speaker 1: being incredibly horny about Ben Affleck's perfect back tattoo. I
Speaker 1: thoroughly regret bringing it up. That was my goal, So
Speaker 1: that was my goal, And and a podcast,