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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're back behind the bastards, Behind the Bastards.

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Speaker 1: Lucy Goosey talking about reality TV week. Dave, How you doing?

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Speaker 1: How you doing, Dave? Well guest, Yeah, I'm I'm David Bell,

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Speaker 1: your guest, co owner of the Gamefully Unemployed network, that's

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Speaker 1: Arch Arch Capitalist podcast entrepreneur David Bell. Yeah, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I ruled this city. You know you own

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Speaker 1: an entire pair of pants, Dave, an entire both pockets,

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Speaker 1: not even leasing them anymore paid. Yeah, I mean listen,

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Speaker 1: one of the pockets isn't it's not great shape, but

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, these things happen. It's your regular

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Speaker 1: wear and tear a pair of pants. How many pockets

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Speaker 1: do you really need, an honest man, one one? Any

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Speaker 1: more than one pocket? I don't trust that son of

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Speaker 1: a bitch. I don't trust anybody who's not holding everything.

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Speaker 1: They absolutely absolutely, That's why people wearing dresses are the

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Speaker 1: only people you can trust, unless it's one of these

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Speaker 1: like modern decadent dresses with pockets no hands. I don't

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Speaker 1: trust anybody with pockets. Why would we Why would anyone

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Speaker 1: trust anyway? Dave? How you how you how how are

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Speaker 1: you doing here? How are we feeling. I'm pretty good,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm I mean, okay, Well, you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm learning about reality TV doesn't it's not great. You know,

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Speaker 1: I've lost a lot of faith. I'm pretty sure I've

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Speaker 1: lost several years of my life at this point. It's tragic.

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Speaker 1: You did have I Love Money three's logo tattooed on

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Speaker 1: your heart before that last episode, which is really yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll probably just turn it to like heart honey something

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Speaker 1: like that, which is just as true it is, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and in easy to do. You know what's Sophie, we

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Speaker 1: didn't play it last time? Would you pull up the

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Speaker 1: intro to I I Love Money three? I just kind

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Speaker 1: of want to hear what that looks like. Yeah, let's

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Speaker 1: do Money three. We're having just having a good time

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Speaker 1: with the buds talking about reality interest to reality shows.

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Speaker 1: I'm super scared as to how bad it is. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be bad. How could it be good? Why would

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Speaker 1: it be good? What would be? The last episode ended

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Speaker 1: with a brutal murder, but this one is going to

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Speaker 1: have a higher body count. But first, let's watch the

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Speaker 1: I Love Money three intro. Let's see what was going

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Speaker 1: on with this fucking show. Do you know what it is? Robert?

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Speaker 1: Because minutes? Yeahs the whole thing. Here we go, just

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Speaker 1: play the entire thing. I so, I imagine it's not

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Speaker 1: season three, right number it's I Love Money parts? Is

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Speaker 1: it season three? Or is I think it's yeah, I

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Speaker 1: Love Money three revival. No, it must be I Love

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Speaker 1: Money three. We're learning a lot here? Is it? The

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Speaker 1: squeak will there's there's so many things. Why are there

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Speaker 1: so many things? I don't know. I don't know. If

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Speaker 1: I could, I could, I don't know. It doesn't. Just

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Speaker 1: find an episode and yeah, yeah, I think just any

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Speaker 1: old episode will have the It'll be fine. I feel

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Speaker 1: like you chose the one that will have it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is not no, this is like a fan made montage.

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Speaker 1: I don't even want to think about that world. I

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Speaker 1: just find like an episode, episode four. There, season four

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Speaker 1: episode that'll be fine. I want to see the intro.

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Speaker 1: There we go, Yeah, hold on, it is it is.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn the volume down because it's horrifying, Okay,

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Speaker 1: or let's restart. Okay, all right, we found it. Here

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Speaker 1: we go. I'm so sorry. I'll narrate it. Beach Bird,

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Speaker 1: Tropical beat Water celeb reality are about to stop the

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Speaker 1: cheering on a bunch of white people television. Look is

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Speaker 1: not for you. Just the tour ends here they wait, wait, wait,

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Speaker 1: was that Brett Michaels. Yeah, that was Brett Michael's. That

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Speaker 1: he said, Bret Michaels, and your brain protected itself by racing.

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Speaker 1: do now keeping off the streets. It is keeping him

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Speaker 1: off the streets. That that is the number one goal

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Speaker 1: of an ethical society, keep Bret Michael's off the streets.

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Speaker 1: So that seems fun. That seems like a good show.

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Speaker 1: That that that was the season of the show that

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Speaker 1: had the murderer on it. So that's good, so Dave Bell.

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Speaker 1: In two thousand nineteen, The Son, a British tabloid, conducted

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Speaker 1: a study that found thirty eight suspected suicides which had

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Speaker 1: been linked to reality television since nineteen eighties. Six. Now

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Speaker 1: that's unsettling, but also probably not related to anything. Thirty

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Speaker 1: a fun reference for three of the people listening, David.

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Speaker 1: So you know, this study quote unquote is not really

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Speaker 1: on the UK reality show called Love Island. Um so,

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Speaker 1: three testants on the show killed themselves over a three

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Speaker 1: show thus lee Love Island, a constructed reality TV show

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Speaker 1: and that people's problems don't matter. But like that whole

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Speaker 1: I'd rather have reality stars. Let's like, let's they've done.

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Speaker 1: It's like, come on, come on guys. Yeah. So yeah, um,

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Speaker 1: Sophie Graydon, age thirty two. She was a former beauty

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Speaker 1: So Dave. After three three suicides, Um, the producers of

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Speaker 1: also it's going to ruin the show. Um. So I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna read a quote from that article, babe, which is

424
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Speaker 1: a bit of a doozy. The bikini clad babes and

425
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Speaker 1: shirtless hunks entering this year's villa will have undergone stringent

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Speaker 1: checks to assess whether they are emotionally and mentally resilient

427
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Speaker 1: enough to take part in the show. Well into graphics

428
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: aired on screen will remind viewers to think before they

429
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 1: post about the stars on social media in the hope

430
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Speaker 1: of discouraging trolling. During filming, there will be a welfare

431
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: team on set, while contestants will also be offered comprehensive

432
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: psychological support on exiting the villa, in addition to social

433
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: media and financial management training. It is laudable that Love

434
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: Island bosses are seeking to improve the support packages they

435
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Speaker 1: offer contestants on such a high profile and profitable show,

436
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Speaker 1: but their efforts ignore one fundamental truth. You can't make

437
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: reality TV ethical and entertaining. Trying to make Love Island

438
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Speaker 1: responsibly is like enlisting Peter to run a bear pit.

439
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: They'll do it, but it will be a snooze fest. Wow,

440
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Speaker 1: there's a lot going on there. That's a lot. First

441
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Speaker 1: of all, the writer is like, I like a good

442
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Speaker 1: bear pit, God damn it. Bear fighting, Yeah, as fucking wild.

443
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 1: It's something else. Comparing it to a bear pit is

444
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: very telling because it's like that that's is more about. Yeah,

445
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: the writer who's like, I want to see these young

446
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: people fucking kill themselves, damn it. I think they're ultimately

447
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: being I think ultimately their attitude is like like bear pits,

448
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: we don't need shows like this, and maybe if the

449
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: fact that performing them ruins them means that we shouldn't

450
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Speaker 1: have them at all. But there's still a wild way

451
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: to frame it. Yeah, they're they're half right. I think

452
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 1: that reality TV needs to be and I think is

453
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 1: occasionally like wrestling. I don't think it needs to be real.

454
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: Why would it be real? It could be scripted. It's

455
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Speaker 1: there's no reason it can't be unless it's like, you know,

456
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Speaker 1: a great British bake off, although who knows what amount

457
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Speaker 1: of cocaine they're doing on the set of that. We

458
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Speaker 1: don't know they could be doing all the cocaine, but

459
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Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, where it's like, unless

460
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Speaker 1: it's a very very uh structured competition, then just scripted. Yeah,

461
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Speaker 1: it gives a ship scripted and then also pay the um, screenwriter,

462
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Speaker 1: the writer whatever the w g A yeah, oh wait, nope, nope,

463
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: that's that. They're never got to do that. No, I

464
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 1: mean not even pro wrestling really pays, you know, their

465
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Speaker 1: contractors and ship, so like, you know, they'll do all

466
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Speaker 1: the things that everybody does to get around that ship.

467
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Speaker 1: But at least uh scripted, at least at least give it,

468
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Speaker 1: try and do a little bit. Guys, come on, right

469
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Speaker 1: And if people are like, oh, that ruins it, well,

470
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: guess what they're not going to tell you. Yeah, maybe

471
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: they already do this. Maybe they already do it, and

472
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: maybe so Love Island, like a lot of similar shows,

473
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 1: thrived by applying young, hot people with alcohol and behind

474
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Speaker 1: the scenes other drugs and smashing them together to create

475
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Speaker 1: fights and drama they could then market to an audience.

476
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Speaker 1: When you do that to enough people, your show will

477
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: wind up at least associated with some suicides. Um and

478
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: the author of this article is probably right. If it

479
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Speaker 1: were the kind of show that could have cast three,

480
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Speaker 1: that that could have three cast members commit suicide in

481
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: like a two year period, it would not be as

482
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: popular as it has been. The ugly reality is that

483
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: people like nasty stuff and the best evidence in support

484
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Speaker 1: of that is the last show we're going to talk

485
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Speaker 1: about today, Dave. I have a quick question though, did

486
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 1: Love Island did the ratings drop off? That's a good question, Dave,

487
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: because this all happened pretty recently. The find by the

488
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: way financial you said a financial advisor, Yeah, I would do.

489
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: I would do a reality TV show just to be paid,

490
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: and a financial advisor like I wouldn't even need money,

491
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: just like a free person to tell me how to

492
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Speaker 1: spend my money. Um. But yeah, I uh, I'm curious

493
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: to know how it's doing now. Anyway you are, you

494
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: were introducing another show. It doesn't seem like it's It

495
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: did great in its last season finale. The the article

496
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,959
Speaker 1: I found from rap pro is not a ton of

497
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Speaker 1: love for Love Island season finale. I mean, if your

498
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Speaker 1: core audience likes bullying people till they kill themselves, they're

499
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: not gonna like the cleaned up the show that no

500
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: longer urges people to do that. Um, Dave, have you

501
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: ever heard of the Jeremy Kyle Show? No? Who is that?

502
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: Oh boy? Well, it's a British show and it's an

503
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Speaker 1: unscripted show and it's kind of like a hybrid of

504
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: Jerry Springer and like Dr Phil and kind of more

505
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 1: like reality stuff like that. Um, there's a little bit

506
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: of a game show element to it. Here's how an

507
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: article by The Guardian described it. The Jeremy Kyle Show

508
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: ran for three thousand episodes over fourteen years on i

509
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: t V and was at times the channel's most popular

510
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: daytime show. More than one million viewers regularly watched as

511
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: its guests argued over paternity, addiction, deceit and betrayal, while

512
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: Kyle bade and roared in their faces. I TV claimed

513
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: that the purpose of the show was to provide conflict

514
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: resolution for its guests. So we're well aware of the

515
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: basics of this, but one of the things that makes

516
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: it really more reality than anything is that, like the

517
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Speaker 1: core of The Jeremy Kyle Show was light detector to tests,

518
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: right where people would come in being like, I'm not

519
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: sure if my girlfriend's cheating on me, i think my

520
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: boyfriend's cheating on me, or I think like my son lied,

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00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: or I think like my friend like, and they would

522
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: go in and get a light detector test, and which

523
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: of course is an exact science. Yeah, we'll talk about

524
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: how bad light detectors are in a little bit, but like,

525
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: so a big part of this is number one, light

526
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: detector tests are expensive in the UK. I think I

527
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: heard it was like five pounds for a test, and

528
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: so a lot of people coming on were desperate because

529
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: it's like, my girlfriend thinks I'm cheating and if I

530
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: can't get a light detector tests, she's going to leave me.

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00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: And the Jeremy Kyle Show will give me a free

532
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: one if I agree to get on screen and let

533
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: like the host of this show basically like mock me.

534
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: So Jeremy fucking Kyle is like the ultimate rich kid.

535
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: He goes to I don't know if it's eaten. He

536
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: goes to one of these like fancy British boarding schools

537
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: where he's literally in classes with a future Prime minister. Um.

538
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: So he's like the upper wrist rust a kid can have.

539
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: He has deep connections in the British media, like that's

540
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: how he gets this show. Um. But the whole series

541
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: is him sitting down with like poor people who are

542
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: having like poor people problems and kind of snight ly

543
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: mocking them, um, and then giving them these light detector

544
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: tests that are to them the most important thing in

545
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: the world because you know they're at risk of losing

546
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: their spouse or whatever, and turning that into content. And

547
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: then if the test winds up showing that you know

548
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: they've lied or whatever, he gets to yell at them

549
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: and berate them. This like rich upper crust dude attacking

550
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: poor people in the worst moments in their life. That's

551
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: the whole Jeremy Kyle shows. So he's just it's he's

552
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: one of those people that makes you wish hell existed. Yes, absolutely,

553
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: and we're gonna I've just sent Sophie a video um

554
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: that is a a light detector uh, like the results

555
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: of a light detector test. And so you can hear

556
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: Jeremy Kyle as as this whole situation happens. It's it's

557
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: gonna be a good time spill punch a face. Oh yeah,

558
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: of course, how could he not have one? No man?

559
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: And is this a hate watcher? I assume people watch it? No, Well,

560
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: I think it's like, I think it's closer to Dr

561
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: Phil than anything. Yikes. Yeah, marks on the Jeremy car Show.

562
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: Has my fiancee cheated because she doesn't find me attractive?

563
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: Problems For a long time, the way I look things

564
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: like I've never liked you, say that she would when

565
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: she made you. You're engaging five? Is you say this

566
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: all started because when I meant is she would try

567
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: and change me. She tried to style me. What We

568
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: got to a point where I just right, you'll have

569
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: me that you want it, you dress me how you

570
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: want me, and so other borns jekes put in the

571
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: air and got enough and she just made the way

572
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: she wanted and it's still enough. So no, even she

573
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: makes you feel inadequate because she tries to change, she

574
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: tells you. But look at those dead eyes. This is

575
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: important as well. People around him told you that she's

576
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: a cheat. They told you, Prince he getting in our

577
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: house and if I go up to look at the phone,

578
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: play him on the phone and sees he'll grab it

579
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: straight away. No, no, no, no, no, it's not fair.

580
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: People have watched jeremy carhow either here or at home. Actually,

581
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: do look at his body? Lang when I mean you

582
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: can't trust somebody? Is that he is? He's so grossed

583
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: out to be sitting with a poor said, yes, it's yes,

584
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: It's like he's sitting with a monster still in the

585
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: box of selt just pictures of the box of salt.

586
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: You really love this woman, don't you? Five years? He say,

587
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: I want to marry her. She says, you know what, pal,

588
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: this is in your head. This has nothing to do

589
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: with me. Just because I look at men doesn't mean

590
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to do anything. It's just a human reaction.

591
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: What happens if she causes this? This is in your

592
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: head right asologizing obviously going after what if she's a liar?

593
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: Are you gone? I don't know, my friend, piece of ship,

594
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: like he rose up like sins like like if I

595
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: saw someone stand like that in the wild, I would

596
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: want to hit him. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think we

597
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: need to go through I don't care if this lady

598
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: because like number one, like that's not certainly whether or

599
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: not cheating should be just the cause to end the

600
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: relationship is not a thing to be decided on live

601
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: reality television, right, Um, none of them. But also like

602
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: they're desperate, you know, they're poor, they can't afford the

603
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: light detector tests. They have been lied to by media

604
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: to believe that light detector tests is the end all

605
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: be all. Um, they're just so just none of our business.

606
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: One thing, if she was like running an underground bare Yeah,

607
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: that's a good show. Yeah, I'd be like, I want

608
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: to know if she's doing that, but like if she's

609
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: cheating on some guy, I don't know these fucking people.

610
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: They're not my friends. It's because you don't want to

611
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: see and they like obviously some of these end in fights.

612
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: They end with people weeping on stage. The Jeremy Kyle

613
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: gets to like yell at folks and call them scum

614
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: and say like you need to you know, grow you

615
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: grow up here, you need to accept reality all Eddie.

616
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 1: He gets to like he gets to do like Dr

617
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: Laura stuff, if anyone remembers Dr Laura. There's a bit

618
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: of that in Jeremy Kyle. Part of why I'm not

619
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: doing dedicating like a whole you could do. There's a

620
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: great documentary I think it's a BBC documentary out about

621
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: the Jeremy Kyle Show because of the things that we're

622
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 1: about to talk about. Um more could be done and said,

623
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: and I hope someone, when else with a podcast, does

624
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: a good three hours on it. I'm not in part

625
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: because a lot of Wyatt's So Fucked Up has to

626
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: do with like very class issues in in in UK.

627
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: Society right, like he's Yes, he's also not terribly impressive,

628
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: like he doesn't like necessarily a sociopath. He doesn't look

629
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: like an evil genius. He just looks like a like

630
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: an asshole, like just a rich asshole. Like it gives

631
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: a side part motherfucker. He is one of a long

632
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: line of British aristocrats mining the poor in order to

633
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 1: make themselves comfortable. He's just doing it in a way

634
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: that's very directed on TV. Yeah, so that's cool, Like, yeah,

635
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Speaker 1: he's a lucky weener, you know, like there's nothing special

636
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Speaker 1: about him. He would have been somebody else if if

637
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 1: he didn't do this. But you know what is special, Dave,

638
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is special, um in that I

639
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 1: don't know, you keep pivoting to this, Dave, And I'm

640
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: not as good as yes ending, So I don't know

641
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: where to take this. You know who's bigger than Jesus, Dave? Uh.

642
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: The products and services that support this podcasts were shipped

643
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: by more humans around the world than Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

644
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: They can easily take Jesus And you know what, Jesus

645
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: rose from the dead based off a ghost. Is there

646
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: something there. I don't know, you know, I mean, there's

647
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: only one way to find out. Way to find out. Listen, listen,

648
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: motherfucker's all right, we're back. So in two thousand five,

649
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: the passons Paul and Erica posson We're having marriage trouble.

650
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: Paul had cheated on his wife and he hoped that

651
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: going on the show would help them to fix things,

652
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: which does suggest that Paul's not great at decision making.

653
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: So you know, this has maybe some people who are

654
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: not great at relationship conflict resolution as it is, and

655
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: they decided to go on The Jeremy Kyle Show to

656
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: deal with this problem. Jeremy Kyle goes out of his

657
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: way to turn these two even more against each other. Um.

658
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: He asks Erika on stage if she wants Paul to

659
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: leave her UM. She says yes, and so Paul uh

660
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: leaves her UM. Days later, she commits suicide. The show

661
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: never airs, which is evidence that the producers felt they

662
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: may have had some complicity in what happened. The Guardian continues, quote,

663
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: guests appeared on The Jeremy Kyle Show out of desperation

664
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Speaker 1: because of some conflict in their private life that they

665
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: were trying to resolve, and the program took advantage of that.

666
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Speaker 1: Our documentary shows the case of a woman whose doctor

667
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: was a heroin addict in a very very ill state.

668
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: The family couldn't afford rehab, so they went on the

669
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: show because when it did when it did items about

670
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: drug addicts, it would offer rehab. They claimed that they

671
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: were told that they were in a competition to win

672
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: the rehab and that as there were other guests with

673
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: drug addictions, the family that most needed it would get it.

674
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: They say that they were wound up by the production

675
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 1: team to heighten the drama of the conflict on stage,

676
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: and that it was a lie. They were always going

677
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: to get offered rehab. Jesus Christ when that fucked up?

678
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: So wait, wait, wait, they were always going to get

679
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: rehab no matter what. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for going on

680
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 1: the show, they were going to get sent to rehab. Okay,

681
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: that well, that's that's better than what they say. Well,

682
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: but that's the pub But they still told them that

683
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: they have to compete for rehab. The guests did not

684
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: know that they were getting we have anyway they were,

685
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 1: so they were set to pity each other against each other,

686
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: and I'm sure that the producers. They're like, they'll be

687
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: happy at the end because then everybody gets rehab. So

688
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: it's okay. It's actually worse than if you'd given only

689
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: one of them rehab. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty bad. I mean,

690
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: it's it's both. I don't know what the like. I

691
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: guess the right answer is to just give them rehab,

692
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: and like, just get people rehab is to the extent

693
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: that it works. Yeah, the right just like run an

694
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: episode of Sherlock where the show would go and that's

695
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: what you do. The moral answer is to provide people

696
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Speaker 1: with options for drug addiction treatment that are not reliant

697
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: upon them showing up on TV and embarrassing themselves like that.

698
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: That is the actual solution. To have a government that

699
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: just does that, so a reality TV show doesn't prey

700
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: on people who desperately need this stuff. Yes, that is

701
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: that is it. That is the option. And to have

702
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 1: again a government bureau of people in suits who walk

703
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: around and when someone's like I want to make a

704
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: reality show where desperate people suffering drug addiction have to

705
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: compete in order to get treatment, a man shows up

706
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: at their door and hits them once in the jaw.

707
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and then in America. There needs to be

708
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Speaker 1: a bureau that makes sure everybody goes to jail at

709
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 1: least for one day for that show. For sure. Absolutely, yeah,

710
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: we're we're cooking here. And then finally one that talks

711
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: about the power of Jesus Christ. Everybody absolutely yes, of course, um, yes,

712
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: the power of Jesus Christ to sell Casper mattresses with

713
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: with promo code he has risen. You can get a

714
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Speaker 1: Casper mattress that you'll want to sleep on for three days.

715
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. Yeah, and you have Jesus coming off coming

716
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: off of the mattress. You do you do? Are you

717
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 1: do a bit where after three days they're like, why

718
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: hasn't he come out? It's like because he has a

719
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: because he's got a sleeping in there still a good time. Yeah,

720
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: God damn, we should make ads. Come on. I don't

721
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: think we've ever gotten money from Oh you will now

722
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: we will now it'll come rolling in now. Yeah. Better

723
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: than religion. So I t V claims that they do

724
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 1: not accept the central allegation that there was a bad

725
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: culture within the production team. They issued a statement saying

726
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: they would never condone any of its production staff misleading

727
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 1: or lying to guests, but the documentary showed guests being

728
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Speaker 1: put into separate rooms while production staff would go back

729
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: and forth saying like, oh, we've just talked about to

730
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Speaker 1: this person in the other room and they said this

731
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: about you. And then they go to the next person

732
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: and say, well, well they said this about you. Like

733
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Speaker 1: they were trying to get people to fight on stage

734
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: and this is how they would do. Yeah, The Guardian continues.

735
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: The whistleblowers in this documentary told us that after filming,

736
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: the shows were graded, with the top grade given to

737
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: the show with the most conflict. Junior members of the

738
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: staff say that the pressure on them to continually deliver

739
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: guests would argue dramatically on stage led to them being

740
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: lax with the details they filed on a contributor welfare checklists.

741
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: They were pushed into a place where they didn't think

742
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: about the interests of guests properly, and now they carry

743
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: a terrible guilt. Many ex employees are still too scared

744
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: to speak about it. YEA, yeah, it's it's like sounds

745
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: like Hollywood baby, Yeah, well it sounds like yeah, I

746
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: mean it also sounds like how the internet works now too.

747
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: It's like I know someone who worked for a certain

748
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: website that it's not something we worked for. I'm not

749
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: being like COI for that reason. A certain website that

750
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: isn't around anymore that would like post everybody's like page

751
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: counts at the beginning of the day, and that was

752
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,959
Speaker 1: the most important thing. Clicks, clicks, clicks, And it's it's

753
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: that thing of like if you prioritize that over you know,

754
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: basic human decency, you know, like, oh, who can who

755
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: can give us the loudest, biggest, angriest show. Well, yeah,

756
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: it's gonna be bad. It's their things are gonna happen,

757
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: They're gonna get lawsuits, people are gonna hurt themselves. It's

758
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: just yeah, it's awful. It's not it's not you know,

759
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: it's not good, Dave, I'll say that much. No, it's

760
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: it's definitely. Yeah. I think I think we can agree

761
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: that it's not good. Yeah, yeah, it's so. Obviously most

762
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: of what was on the Jeremy Kyle Show was not new.

763
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: The way they used light detectors was right. That was

764
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: really the big thing that they innovated on. Like a

765
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: lot of this. The Doctor Phil Show made most of

766
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: their money on people with addiction, who they would like

767
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: send to rehab, but first they have to turn their

768
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: pain into content. Right, that part is not new, but

769
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: the whole, like plying people to with like promises of

770
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: a free light detector test in order to monetize their pain,

771
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: that's pretty new. Um, and that Jeremy Jeremy Kyle made

772
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: millions doing this. It's the extra Yeah, the fact that

773
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,439
Speaker 1: it's people who can't afford things. Yeah, it's like it's

774
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: like if they made a show called Who Wants to

775
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: Have Healthcare? Yeah? Who wants to get surge? Oh, you're

776
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 1: talking about the opening show for Fox next season? Yeah,

777
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: who wants to not die of cancer? I feel like

778
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: I just gave some executive a bone. Yeah, it's it's not. Yeah.

779
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: The guy from episode one just ejaculated spontaneously while he

780
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: was standing in a meeting pitching a show where poor

781
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: people are eaten by bears. Um that actually, I would

782
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Speaker 1: watch a show where people get eaten by bears as

783
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: long as they're people of No. If if it's a

784
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: wide segment of socioeconomic classes getting eaten by bears, that's fine.

785
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: A billionaire and a poor person both getting eaten by

786
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: a bear, shar that's just good TV. You know that is, Yeah,

787
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 1: do they get eaten or do they get to fight

788
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: the bear? They get to try, They get to try.

789
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Speaker 1: Here's the thing is, I don't want to see a

790
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: bear get hurt. It's okay, we'll make sure they're polar bears. Okay.

791
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: So it's like we tell them, oh, yeah, you could

792
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: totally fight this bear, but then they can't. And then

793
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: the twist in the show, just in case they're like

794
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: in super good shape or something, is right before the

795
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: bear gets let out, we hit him in the knee

796
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 1: with like an iron bar and then run off. Yeah.

797
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,959
Speaker 1: So there, you know, it's just watching people get eaten

798
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: by bears from Yeah, I feel like you only get

799
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: one season because after for season two, people will be like, no,

800
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Speaker 1: I've seen the show. I'm not gonna go on and

801
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: we'll we swear you could take the bear and they're like, no,

802
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: I know, I can't. You're gonna hit me in the knee.

803
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: I think season two would be who wants to fight

804
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: a bear? But this time we promised we don't hit

805
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: you in the knee, and we give you a gun.

806
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: But then it turns out the gun is like a

807
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: reverse taser. So when they try to shoot the beart

808
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 1: electric keets them and then the bear eats them. Stills

809
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: pretty great. We should talk about another person who got

810
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Speaker 1: killed by the Jeremy Kyle Show. So in two thousand nineteen,

811
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Speaker 1: Steve Diamond was a guest on the show. Uh, and

812
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 1: he's like in his sixties. Both he and his partner

813
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: are like older folks. Uh. She suspected him of cheating,

814
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Speaker 1: and he agreed to take a light detective test on

815
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Speaker 1: camera to prove to his partner that he had not

816
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: been unfaithful. The Jeremy Kyle Show, you know, was very

817
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: happy to do this. So they all go on stage

818
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: and they take the tests. Um, and the test shows

819
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: that he's been cheating on his partner. Um. Now, later

820
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: research would show that light detector tests on the show

821
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: were at best se act it and light detectors do

822
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: not detect lying. They detect a number of physiolotic logical

823
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: symptoms that some people say are associated with lying. Or

824
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: I don't know someone who's nervous, nervous the relationships on

825
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: the line, and like, yeah, some rich fuckers is making

826
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: fun of them in front of millions of people, and like, yeah,

827
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: so Steve Diamond, who is adamant that he had not

828
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: cheated on this woman who he loved and who was

829
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: like his his entire life, like was bound up in

830
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: this person he had been in this year's long relationship with.

831
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Speaker 1: They're not young people, they've been together a long time.

832
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: She believes he's cheated on him. He goes on the

833
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: show to prove that he's been faithful, and the light

834
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: detector says that he's lying. Um and this is like

835
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: he his family and friends say that he, like Shaw,

836
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: saw the show as a savior. The documentary. One of

837
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: the rough parts of the documentary is it has a

838
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: bunch of audio from phone calls he made to his

839
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,439
Speaker 1: partner talking about how like once the show was over,

840
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: like everything would be fine and they'd be able to

841
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: get back together, Like it would be this was going

842
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: to solve everything. Um, so he the Jeremy Kyles Show says,

843
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: this guy is lying, and he kills himself several days later,

844
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: and once again the show has never aired. I TV

845
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Speaker 1: actually cancels The Jeremy Kyle Show soon after Thank You.

846
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask if the show is still around,

847
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: because that is I would argue a form of murder. Yeah,

848
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, yeah, they just murdered that man.

849
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: They do seem a little bit murder lie detector on

850
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: framed him or I mean, I don't know. It sounds

851
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: like we don't know if he's unfaithful or not. But

852
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. They framed him as unfaithful through a

853
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: shitty lie detector test. He clearly seems like he's innocent. Uh,

854
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: that's yeah, that's a good old fashioned So that's good, Dave,

855
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: that's good. Oh, hey, what's this? I just found an

856
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: article from last September from the Manchester Evening News. I'm

857
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: just gonna read from this random article in the Manchester

858
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: Evening newsday from last September. Sure, it's just a normal thing.

859
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: Jeremy Kyle has announced his comeback after naming which I

860
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: TV Stars reached out after his daytime show was axed.

861
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: The TV presenter has broken his two and a half

862
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: year silence after his program was canceled. The fifty six

863
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: year old said he will fight back after announcing his

864
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: return to broadcasting on talk radio. Kyle will host a

865
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: weekday show from September through Step four to seven pm.

866
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: A promotional video on social media said after two young,

867
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: long years of chaos and division. One man is needed

868
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: to make sense of it all. In an interview shared

869
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: by the station, Kyle suggested he had been labeled by

870
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 1: society as he set out his plans for his new show.

871
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: He said, in a democracy, you should be able to

872
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 1: ask and say what do you want? If you don't

873
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: like the response, you don't throw your toys out of

874
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: the pram. That's what I said. Listen, I have been

875
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: canceled in this world. It seems now that unless you

876
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: follow a certain path, you are labeled. You have to

877
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: fight back, fighting back new show idea. Uh, this guy

878
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: fighting absolutely and we hit him in the knee first

879
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: to fuck him. What's really upsetting is that I now

880
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: know that there were seventeen seasons of the show and

881
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: three thousandsodes too many episodes. Um Also, one of the

882
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: first people to reach out to him supporting him was

883
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: Pierce Morgan, which should not be surprising to everybody, not

884
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: to a single soul. Yeah, this is dystopia. This is

885
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: straight up a dystopiate. It's a humor that that Arnold

886
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: Schwarzenegger movie is at the Running Man where like it's

887
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: a reality show basically, and they're like a reality game

888
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: show that like, and it's this dystopian government that murders

889
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 1: protesters and YadA, YadA, YadA. Every show in the Running

890
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: Man is less dystopian than this, Like every like ad

891
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: they have for a fake show, all of it wait

892
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: less up than this because everybody sort of knows what

893
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: the Running Man. They don't know they're executing the winners

894
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: and stuff, but they know everyone else dies, yeah, exactly,

895
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: and like everyone who shows up knows they'll probably die.

896
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: And as opposed to I guess I can't afford a

897
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: light detector test, which I have been lied to by

898
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: a lot of media into believing is like the end

899
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: all be all of truth. And so my only option

900
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: to save my relationship is to go on the Jeremy

901
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: Kyle Show. Whoops, Now my life is ruined. It's sanitized horror.

902
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: It's it's the it's it's kind of like how a

903
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,479
Speaker 1: lot of things happen with our writing system and stuff,

904
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: where it's like you can show any old fucked up thing,

905
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: just no blood. It's that same idea, which is what

906
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: they're doing is absolutely ghoulish. It's horror, but it's it's

907
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: wrapped around this more sanitized version that they can step

908
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: back and go it wasn't. It wasn't the culture of

909
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: our show. You know, we have no control about what

910
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: people do, and it's just makes me want to burn

911
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: it all down. I'll say it right now. There's a

912
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: lot of terrorists who I won't defend, but I have

913
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: more respect for it than Jeremy Kyle because at least,

914
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: like you know, they're putting some skin in the game,

915
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: Jeremy Kyle is just hurting people to make money for nothing.

916
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: Yea dystopian villain? Is he is the host of The

917
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: Running Man? Yeah, essentially it is. That was Arnold. Look,

918
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: I know you're having a bit of a renaissance because

919
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 1: you've made a couple of good videos. When bad things

920
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: have happened, Go murder Jeremy Kyle, like you did that

921
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: guy in The Running Man, and that's that's a that's

922
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: a third act. Or at least like slap him in

923
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: the tank as hard as you can if Arnold Kelly,

924
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: you don't want to murder somewhere because your celebrity just

925
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: just slapped slap tap, tap him in the tank, choke

926
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: him out so he poops his pants like Steven Seagal

927
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: that one time, and we promised to forget that you

928
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: were governor of California. That that that's a painty swear.

929
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: Arnold almost forgotten that. Honestly, he boasted a couple of

930
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: TikTok's with his donkey. I guess I'm not going to

931
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: think about what he did for the oil and gas guy,

932
00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: the cute donkey, the cute donkey guy. Look, he's nice

933
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: with his legitimate some that he hid with his maid.

934
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: There's a lot of uncomfortable dimensions that we don't really

935
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: think about anymore. Because he didn't make a pretty good

936
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: video where he yelled at Nazis. Arnold is low. He's

937
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: relatively fine, Arnold Schwarzenegger compared to all the war criminals

938
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 1: in politics. Not that bad, not that not that yeah, yeah,

939
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: I mean even better if he if he slaps this

940
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: guy in the tank, slap him in the tank, Arnold,

941
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: come on, buddy, yeah, you know, hold him upside down,

942
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 1: uh and separate his legs and slap karate, chop him

943
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: in the tank. You fuck this guy up, Arnold, and

944
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: we will all agree to give you four more years

945
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: of being an action star. And we just won't we

946
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: won't say that, like, oh, buddy, you are just an

947
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: old man now, and we don't really need to see

948
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: you hitting people. That doesn't look great anymore. We'll all

949
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: agree to pretend. We'll go watch the movies you funk up,

950
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: Jeremy Kyle Arnold, and we'll get your back on this one.

951
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: Don't worry about the same offer for Harrison Ford. Absolutely,

952
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: I mean he's he's just doing old from man action

953
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: whether we like it or not. But like again, i'd

954
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: love to see him karate chopped this guy on the team. Dave.

955
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: There was a beautiful moment on one of your podcasts recently,

956
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: were you and I think our old boss Jason Pargeon.

957
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: We're talking about the most recent Indiana Jones movie, not

958
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: the one that's about to come out, but the one

959
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: with shy La Buff and we're like, yeah, seeing seeing

960
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: Harrison Ford like fall onto car windshields and stuff as

961
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: an old man, it doesn't look as cool. And I

962
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: have a bit of a bone to pick because after

963
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: he made that movie, he survived like three plane crashes.

964
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: I do feel like he's actually durable enough. He is

965
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:55,959
Speaker 1: a he is a sky hazard, Yes he is. He's

966
00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: a durrible old guy, but it, yeah, doesn't level of tension.

967
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: It's like watching the Undertaker wrestle now where he's like

968
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: he's still around a few years ago. Yeah, those old

969
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: fuckers are still around and you watch them wrestle and

970
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: it's a whole new dimension of horror where you're like, no,

971
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: your knees, no, oh God, like, please don't do that.

972
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 1: You're like you're fucking up your back. Yeah, anyway, that's

973
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: going to do it for us. This week a little

974
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: bit of a Lucy Goosey week we got for you.

975
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: But what do you what do you want? What do

976
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: you want? I don't know. I do I want power.

977
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: I do want power, Dave, the sweet, sweet power that

978
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: you can only get from a full night's sleep on

979
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: a Casper mattress. Casper mattress again. We robbed the graves

980
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: of Egyptian peasants to steal the softest learnings and literally

981
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: make you Jesus Christ. And we literally make you Jesus Christ.

982
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: How does this feel as an ongoing jokes over? You

983
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: like this better than the child Hunting Island? I mean

984
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: works out, I mean it kind of works It kind

985
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: of feels like you're you're you're more pro and then

986
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: I don't have to bleep it. Yeah. Well right, okay,

987
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: I know that upsets you because I stopped marking it.

988
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, you're actually like selling the ship. Maybe. Yeah,

989
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,479
Speaker 1: like we should make ads for castor mess. I feel

990
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: like we're going to get a call any day now.

991
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: They're better than Jesus Christ. Um yeah, I mean like, well,

992
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 1: I guess that's my Other plan was to start giving

993
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: random sponsors credit for ancient war crimes, you know, like

994
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: uh um um oh gosh uh single handedly responsible for

995
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: the siege of Baghdad of twelve fifty eight, in which

996
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 1: the city was burned in the fat of its burning

997
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: citizens rolled through the streets like a like a like

998
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: a torrent of rain. That's right. See, I I have

999
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: to I have to believe that because they did, in fact,

1000
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: actually try to buy ad space in our show. Also,

1001
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: they did do that thing that did they were responsible

1002
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: for destroying the city of Baghdad in So yeah, that's tough.

1003
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: That's tough. What else? What can you do? You gotta

1004
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: bleep it. I guess you gotta bleep it, Dave, you

1005
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: gotta plug anything. Um, hold on, I I have a

1006
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: Twitter at movie Hoole. Again. If people want to follow me.

1007
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: I have a podcast network with Tom Ryman Gamefully Unemployed.

1008
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: If you got a Patreon dot com slash gamefully Unemployed

1009
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: for five dollars a month. We have a bunch of

1010
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: exclusive podcasts on there. We also watch movies every Friday

1011
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 1: night with our patrons. We also just have like free ship.

1012
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 1: If you just google gamefully Unemployed wherever you get your podcasts,

1013
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: you can see all that. It's it's mostly movie stuff.

1014
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 1: In fact, it's exclusively movie stuff. We do movie reviews.

1015
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: We just did depending on where this came out. The

1016
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck film deep Water, erotic thriller. Everybody go see

1017
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: it or don't. So I guess I also want to

1018
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: plug deep Water with Ben Affleck. Oh yeah, absolutely, it's

1019
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: mostly him killing himbos, so everybody can get behind that. Yeah,

1020
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: who doesn't support killing a himbo? Now and again, I

1021
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 1: thought I thought you were going to bring up Ben

1022
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 1: Affleck's back tattoo, which is one of your favorite things

1023
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 1: to do, Robert, Oh, yeah, we all love Oh my god.

1024
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: I mean I would say that, but I have a

1025
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: lot of writing to do. I just can't. I just can't,

1026
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 1: you know, immediately start masturbating after this call which is

1027
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: what I do whenever I think about Ben Affleck's back fee.

1028
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: You should do a behind the back tattoo. Behind the

1029
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: back tattoos. Yeah, it's just it's just gonna be me

1030
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: being incredibly horny about Ben Affleck's perfect back tattoo. I

1031
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: thoroughly regret bringing it up. That was my goal, So

1032
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 1: that was my goal, And and a podcast,