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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The FBI is probing eleven

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Speaker 1: US space scientists either dead or missing. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us.

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Speaker 2: The White House and FBI are investigating a string of

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Speaker 2: suspicious deaths and disappearances of at least eleven US scientists,

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Speaker 2: many of whom are involved in classified aerospace, nuclear, and

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Speaker 1: Is certainly putting it mildly deep. Research into anti gravity

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Speaker 1: jet propulsion, into special alloys made for high intensity heat,

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Speaker 1: an alloy called mandelay, and so much more. Ideas and

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Speaker 1: theories that most of us have never that, under their

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Speaker 1: skill and expertise, were actually coming true until they go

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Speaker 1: missing or are found dead. Eleven that we know of,

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Speaker 1: many of them. I've been able to connect one two, three,

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Speaker 1: four two McCaslin, General Neil McCaslin, who oversaw funding and research,

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Speaker 1: who was seeing over commanding an entire Air Force base,

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Speaker 1: into many of these projects. Joining us and all Star

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Speaker 1: Pedal to make sense of what we are learning tonight.

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Speaker 1: I want to go straight out to special guests joining us.

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Speaker 1: Chris Malure, Deputy science editor for Daily Mail. What is happening?

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Speaker 1: Many people thought that this was fantastic, but it's not.

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Speaker 1: And now the FBI has joined the probe. And I

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Speaker 1: would like to add in stark stark departure from normal

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Speaker 1: FBI tactics which we saw out in the Nancy Guthrie case. Remember,

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Speaker 1: the FBI did not enter into the investigation until they

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Speaker 1: were invited by Sheriff Nanos, who took a sweet time

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Speaker 1: doing it, screwed up the investigation. Here they have jumped

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Speaker 1: in feet first into the disappearance of General McCaslin, which

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Speaker 1: opens up an entire can of worms. And to the

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Speaker 1: other ten scientists, and that's ten that we know of,

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Speaker 1: Christma Lore.

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Speaker 3: That's right, Nancy. Actually, this is This has been something

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Speaker 3: that has been pushed by a lot on Capitol Hill.

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Speaker 3: We've spoken to Congressman Eric Burlason and Timbershett at length,

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Speaker 3: and they've been pushing for this investigation. A lot of

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Speaker 3: the initial investigations were done by local police, and the

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Speaker 1: As of late, many have been found dead, many just

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Speaker 1: simply disappear, and they disappear under very unusual circumstances. They

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Speaker 1: are connected. That's where I start all criminal investigations with connectivity.

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Speaker 1: Is there anything linking them and to you? Brian Fitzgibbons

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Speaker 1: joining US Direct to Operations USPA Nationwide Security, who leads

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Speaker 1: a team of investigators finding missing people former Marine Iraqi

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Speaker 1: war that Brian. Many people say these are not connected,

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Speaker 1: but I, from over one thousand miles away from where

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Speaker 1: four connected to General Neil McCasland. Much happening out of

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Speaker 1: the New Mexico juris Diction, New Mexico and California. Listen

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Speaker 1: to these connections and how the people went missing. Let's

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Speaker 1: just start with Melissa Cassias, administrator at the l Los

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Speaker 1: Alamos National Laboratory and the afr L. So you've got

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Speaker 1: specifically Resa's project. Steven Garcia government contractor built parts for

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Speaker 1: connect more, but listen to how Melissa Cassias goes missing.

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Speaker 1: She takes her daughter a sub sandwich subway sandwich for lunch.

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Speaker 1: She says she's going to work from home. She spotted

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Speaker 1: Then you've got Monica jssin Theresa. She got her funding

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Speaker 1: Sometime later, a gray Air Force sweatshirt is found discarded

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Speaker 1: you name it? How can these not be connected? Brian Fitzgibbons,

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Speaker 1: And there's more.

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Speaker 4: You know, hey, there's a lack of obvious risk factors

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Speaker 4: of these individuals that you've named. They have economic stability,

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Speaker 4: with the same circumstances, leaving Apple watch and phone behind.

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Speaker 4: This is highly alarming and ought to be investigated thoroughly

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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting, Brian, is that I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: the ones that are missing. The others are dead. A

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Speaker 1: out to John Nance joining us. Former supervisory special Agent

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Speaker 1: with the FBI for over twenty years. John, thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us tonight. John. Why is it the

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Speaker 1: FBI typically waits to be invited in on a local investigation.

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Speaker 1: Why is that?

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Speaker 5: Well, the FBI doesn't have federal jurisdiction or primary jurisdiction

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Speaker 5: in murder cases. There are some exceptions to that, but

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Speaker 5: that's essentially why you don't see the FBI taking the

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Speaker 5: lead role immediately in cases of that nature. But when

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Speaker 5: I think this directly implicates national security issues. In the

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Speaker 5: and I can tell you from that perspective, the correlations

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Speaker 5: that's why Patel's FBI has gone into overdrive with conducting

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Speaker 5: investigations into these matters. Particularly interesting is Amy Ridge's case

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Speaker 5: the use of directed energy weapons, things of that nature.

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Speaker 5: I think all these things are going to be looked

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, their research, mister nance was

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Speaker 1: so advanced is beyond what many of us can even imagine.

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Speaker 1: For instance, Amy Escridge allegedly did from a self inflicted

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Speaker 1: gunshot wound. This is after she texted friend saying if

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Speaker 1: which is amazing. It's specifically, she was working with her

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Speaker 1: what anti gravity jet propulsion is, and it can be

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Speaker 1: used for a myriad, myriad of purposes. The other woman

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Speaker 1: That's what she got her funding. Anyway, she was working

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Speaker 1: us have never even heard of that. Now you mentioned

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Speaker 1: in the US in the twenty twenties with such a device.

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Speaker 1: So this is no longer. In other words, it's like

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Speaker 1: shooting a gun, except as microwaves. Yes, something that many

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 5: Sure, this is the stuff you're talking about is not

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Speaker 5: science fiction. The Trangler shaped craft that you're describing have

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Speaker 5: been seen and reported about for decades. These individuals, Raisa,

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Speaker 5: which is directly connected to General McCaslin. It's also directly

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Speaker 5: its base level a government transparency issue. As Gridge, you know,

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Speaker 5: working on anti gravity technology or filled propulsion technology would

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Speaker 5: be paradigm shifting. So these technologies are, in many people's opinions,

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Speaker 5: So we're not talking about science fiction. We're talking about

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Speaker 5: very in very detailed fashion, it's essentially a microwave, a

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Speaker 5: go back to General McCausland, he was responsible for managing

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Speaker 5: the funding of eighty percent of the military's SAP programs.

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Speaker 5: with regard to the Air Force's Research and Development program.

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Speaker 5: I think that's like a two billion dollar program he oversaw.

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Speaker 5: So he's literally a walking hard drive of highly classified information.

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Speaker 5: So the FBI is going to be very, very interested

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Speaker 1: I've listened very carefully to his wife's nine one one

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Speaker 1: call John Nance, and she said specifically, I don't think

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Speaker 1: he wants to be found. I think he plans not

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Speaker 1: to the rest of the penalty. Please stay with us

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Speaker 1: as I go to mister Milburn.

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Speaker 2: Several of the scientists leave their homes and vanish without

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Speaker 2: their phones, while others are found dead, prompting concerns of

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Speaker 2: a sinister pattern rather than random events.

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Speaker 1: Joining us tonight a special guest, A guest that has

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Speaker 1: intimate knowledge regarding the death of Amy Eskridge, as you

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Speaker 1: all know by now, brilliant, brilliant scientists. Frank Milburn joining

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Speaker 1: us former British intelligence officer who knew Amy very well,

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Speaker 1: and he spoke with Amy just hours before her death.

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Speaker 1: Now correct me if I'm wrong, Frank. First of all,

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Speaker 6: Well that the immediate text sort of in the month

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Speaker 1: Who do you think they I'm not in disagreement. I

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Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, hold on, Frank, you got me

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Speaker 6: so that she'd be unable to continue with her work slowly,

432
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 6: and then eventually because she was too stubborn, she ended

433
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 6: up dying. Now, I can't say, Hanne on my heart,

434
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 6: that was murder, when I can say it was very

435
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 6: very suspicious. And you will say a lot of people saying, no,

436
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 6: she was off her meds, she was crazy, she was

437
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 6: this or that. I spoke to her every day. She

438
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 6: called me four hours before she died and she said

439
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 6: that she was feeling fine. Okay, Now, did she have stress, yes,

440
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 6: Did she have PTSD certainly? Did she have hyper vigilance certainly,

441
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 6: because she was under constant attack the whole time and

442
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 6: anybody normal would so. But she wasn't her loo. She

443
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 6: wasn't delusional. You could see that every day. And you

444
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 6: know she's going to work, she's on the car, in

445
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 6: the car talking to me for half an hour. She

446
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 6: gets to work, she's talking to me again from work

447
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 6: with her co workers. This is someone who is, like

448
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 6: you know, functional and working at a very high level scientifically,

449
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 6: a highly intelligent woman.

450
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: Now, you submitted findings regarding this to Congress and you

451
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: concluded Escris did not kill herself. Isn't that true?

452
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 6: Well, what I said is that it's highly suspicious, and

453
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 6: I believe that she'd been killed by an aerospace company

454
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 6: or you know, as as I said before, an actor

455
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 6: that had the impunity and the ability to be able

456
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 6: to act on the ground undiscovered for so long. So

457
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 6: I just think that we need to start with looking

458
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 6: at the directed energy weapon attack on her when she

459
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 6: was doing on that project for Homeland security, and then

460
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 6: all the harassment, and then work forward from that and

461
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 6: see how that could have led to her death. That

462
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 6: would seem logical to me.

463
00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: Question, could you explain in rudimentary terms what you mean

464
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: by a directed energy attack? How does that work?

465
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 6: Okay? Sure, So you have basically there was a Russian

466
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 6: guy who was caught with one, I believe two years

467
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 6: ago in the States and it was in a congressional

468
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 6: hearing in twenty twenty four. You can have like a

469
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 6: pickup truck or a vehicle. You have like a sort

470
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 6: of an emitter. It's like a it emits, what's like

471
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 6: you know, a club like microwaves, like you nege in

472
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 6: a microwave oven, but in a very focused way. So

473
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 6: then you have like a power source as well, which

474
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 6: you can carry in the vehicle, and then you point

475
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 6: out the window and it will go through dry walls

476
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 6: as well, and you know it. Depending on the power

477
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 6: of the emitter, it could be anywhere from like fifty

478
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 6: meters to one hundred meters maybe more. I don't claim

479
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 6: to be a technical expert on directed energy weapons, but

480
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 6: you point it where you want it to go. Presumably

481
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 6: before that you will have established a pattern of life,

482
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Speaker 6: so you would know roughly where. Okay, so at nine

483
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 6: o'clock she goes down to her laboratory or whatever, and

484
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 6: then you'd set up the directed energy your weapon emitter

485
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 6: in your vehicle and wait for her to be in

486
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 6: a specific point in space and time and then hits that.

487
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: Frank, why are you speaking out?

488
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 6: Because she trusted me too, and it was what she wanted.

489
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 6: And I really, you know, I didn't want to at

490
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 6: all because I know the upset that it brings to

491
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 6: her family and her loved ones. But I've had support

492
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 6: from her coworkers and her friends who are saying, you know,

493
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 6: you need to do this. I was basically her dead

494
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 6: lady's switch. She trusted me when I first met her

495
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 6: and she first revealed who she was, and she started

496
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 6: telling me about this. She said, because of your background,

497
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 6: you will believe what I'm saying, because you will understand

498
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 6: the tradecraft. She goes, if I go to the cops,

499
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 6: they will think I'm crazy because this harassment was designed

500
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 6: in such a way, going through the panty drawers and

501
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 6: all the other things with design in such a way

502
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 6: that if you went to the cops and said this

503
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 6: is what's going on, they would think that she was crazy.

504
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 6: She said, you will not think I'm crazy. And she goes,

505
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 6: if anything happens to me, here is all the evidence,

506
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 6: and I want you to get it out there.

507
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: Joining us tonight is Frank Melbourne, who knew Amy Eskridge

508
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: very well. Eskridge had founded a an institute, a research

509
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: institute with her father, and together they were exploring many

510
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: many advanced technological theories that suddenly under her skilled hands,

511
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: were no longer just theories, including anti gravity jet propulsion. Frank,

512
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: can you imagine what a foreign entity or a private

513
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: corporate entity would pay, what they would give, what they

514
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: would do to get that knowledge, that technology that she

515
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: had created.

516
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: Yeah?

517
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Speaker 6: I think. I mean maybe it was a case of

518
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 6: they'd developed developed it themselves and they didn't want her.

519
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 6: In her own words, and upstart young brilliant young scientists

520
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 6: stealing their lunch as Amy would say, but you know,

521
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 6: this cuts to the very heart of American democracy if

522
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 6: you can potentially subvert you know, local, state, and federal

523
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 6: law enforcement. And I want to you know, I came

524
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 6: forward as well because I want to prevent other sciences

525
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 6: another young, brilliant, young scientist from being killed. I want

526
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 6: to you know, the United States is my ally. I've

527
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 6: always worked with Americans in an out of uniform, you know,

528
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 6: in peacetime and in war. So America is a country

529
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 6: that I love, and I love America's people, and I

530
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 6: think America is a great democracy. It's the greatest democracy

531
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 6: in the world, and that has to be protected and

532
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 6: this kind of activity fundamentally is rot at the heart

533
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 6: of that democracy.

534
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: In my opinion, Frank Milbourne, you are risking a lot

535
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: to come forward, and we are truly and deeply grateful.

536
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 1: Thank you, mister Melbourn.

537
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 6: Well, thank you by having it out there. And I've

538
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 6: sent you all the files. Then if anything happens to me,

539
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 6: then you've got another story. Eh.

540
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: I don't consider you a story. I consider you to

541
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: be a very very brilliant now friend, and we will

542
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: do our best to get Amy's facts. I don't want

543
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: to say story out there. I'm very disturbed by the

544
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: autops findings that this was immediately determined to be a

545
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: self inflicted wound. Very curious what is her family's position

546
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: on this, because I've noticed that many, the majority of

547
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: the families connected to the missing and dead scientists refuse

548
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: to give a statement. They don't want to put this

549
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: out there. They don't want to be part of it.

550
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: Why is it, It's almost as if they are afraid.

551
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 6: People are afraid. Yes, I can't comment on the family.

552
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 6: You'd have to ask them. In fact, don't ask them

553
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 6: because they don't want to be asked. I know that

554
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 6: for a fact they won't have anything to do with this.

555
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 6: It's the very last thing that they want. It's not

556
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 6: going to bring their daughters back, and it's not going

557
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 6: to bring my friend back. But if it can stop

558
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 6: somebody else being killed or harassed and basically having their

559
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 6: life rude, because don't forget, Andy was completely isolated as well.

560
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,479
Speaker 6: She couldn't have a boyfriend, she couldn't see her friends,

561
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 6: she couldn't do anything because anybody who was around her

562
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 6: would be liable to attack as well. So you know,

563
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 6: it was just a total isolation and a total spectrum

564
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 6: harassment on her, and I'm very very sorry for everything,

565
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 6: and I'm very sorry for having to speak out, but

566
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 6: I believe that it's fundamentally important to do so for

567
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 6: all the reasons that I outline.

568
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 1: You know, we Americans, thank you British, are way too polite.

569
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: You do not have to apologize for telling the truth ever,

570
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: and we are deeply, as I said, grateful. I cannot

571
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: ignore that. Before her death she said, if you read

572
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: I committed suicide, I did not. I will not. I

573
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: did not commit suicide. And then suddenly she's dead from

574
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: a self inflicted gunshot wound in Huntsville, Alabama, where the

575
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: NASA another NASA space station is. Thank you for being

576
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: with us tonight, mister Milburn. Thank you.

577
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 6: Thank you estentionally You've given it, given it and the

578
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 6: dignity that you've given her, and I appreciate that very much.

579
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 6: From it all across the media that I've spoken to

580
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 6: you so far, Thank you very much.

581
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: Crimest with Nancy Grace. Each of these victims had high

582
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: or top level security clearance at specific national research facilities.

583
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: Many are connected by facilities such as the Air Force

584
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: Research Lab, Los Alamos and more NASA. In other words,

585
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: more than one victim can be linked to a single

586
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: facility into each other. For instance, Chavez working with Casseias

587
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: at Los Alamas, vanishing within weeks of each other, both

588
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 1: having top clearance, but seemingly the connection is McCaslin John Nance.

589
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 5: It's not surprising for someone who was in his position

590
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 5: to be connected to so many people in this R

591
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 5: and D community. A particular note, I think is read

592
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 5: this work with what's called memory metal, and it's that's

593
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 5: a little bit different than the material that you mentioned earlier.

594
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 5: And to kind of go back to the right Patterson

595
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 5: Air Force Base connection, this memory metal is believed by

596
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 5: many people to be a material science's direct descendant of

597
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 5: material that was recovered at the Roswell crash and delivered

598
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 5: the right Patterson Air Force Base. That that that information

599
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 5: is not in dispute that whatever was recovered from Roswell

600
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 5: was delivered to Right Patterson. So her work with regard

601
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 5: to that particular metal is a very very interesting connection.

602
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 5: I think people are afraid to speak out about this

603
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 5: topic because well, the the government entities have been very

604
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 5: very successful in conducting a disinformation campaign with regard to

605
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 5: the American public. So you mentioned UFO, and people immediately

606
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 5: begin to snicker, right, And that's because of the disinformation

607
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 5: campaign conducted by members of our own intelligence community. And

608
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 5: it's in a large part for good reason. I think

609
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 5: that the American public, as Burchett and Representative Luna and

610
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 5: others have made very clear, the American public should be

611
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 5: aware of this information. I think there are certain aspects

612
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 5: of it that, for national security reasons, should probably remain classified,

613
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 5: but the government shouldn't be hiding the fact that UAPs exist,

614
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 5: and we have almost incontrovertible evidence to that fact. One

615
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 5: of the hearings was attended by Lieutenant Commander Fraver, probably

616
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 5: one of the most credible UAP witnesses that we've heard from,

617
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 5: and he's the individual that was involved in the very

618
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 5: famous tic TAC video and his testimony on Capitol Hill

619
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Speaker 5: with regards hard to the capabilities of the unidentified phenomena

620
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 5: that he witnessed far exceed anything that our material science

621
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Speaker 5: can hope to achieve.

622
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 1: At this point, mister Nance, you mentioned UAPs. I assume

623
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Speaker 1: you're referring to unidentified anomalous phenomena.

624
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 5: Yes, that's correct, that's the new word.

625
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: For you, and that is yes, you know, that is

626
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: precisely mister Nance. Why I have not mentioned UFOs since

627
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: the beginning of tonight's program because I do not like

628
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: these victims to be thrown in the pot to stew

629
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Speaker 1: with all the UFO and alien conspiracy theorists, because it

630
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:55,959
Speaker 1: minimizes the fact that these are brilliant scientists, all the PhDs,

631
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 1: brilliant in their field and known to be brilliant. As

632
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, Amy Eskridge actually worked with Homeland

633
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: Security and as did all of these scientists. They were

634
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: all top level with secret security clearances. So the government

635
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: is not going to allow that with a bunch of crackpots.

636
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: Very simply put, what do you make of the disappearance

637
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: of McCaslin. His wife did not say he committed suicide.

638
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: His wife said he doesn't want to be found. And

639
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: I know for a fact the mother, Melissa Cassius, would

640
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: not have willingly left her daughter just walk out without

641
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: any ID, without phone, with nothing, and never seen again

642
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: like this is like so many of the others. It's

643
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: the mo the modus operanda, the method of operation. They

644
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: all just walk away with no identification and are never

645
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: seen again. It is almost as if they are in

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Speaker 1: fear for their families, obviously not in fear for themselves.

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Speaker 1: There's Melissa right there. She just dropped off a subway

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Speaker 1: sandwich for her daughter, as she's never seen again. And

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Speaker 1: this is true of nearly all of the missing. What

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Speaker 1: do you make of it, John.

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Speaker 5: Well, Another interesting data point about Melissa's disappearance. I believe

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Speaker 5: her husband stated that he observed her using her her

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Speaker 5: security card at the facility, and then later she made

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Speaker 5: this statement that she needed to return home to retrieve

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Speaker 5: her identification card. So that's a very very strange data

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Speaker 5: point with regard to her disappearance. And as to Amy

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Speaker 5: Amy Escridge's story, the fact that she was working with

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Speaker 5: Homeland Security would argue against these allegations that she was

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Speaker 5: suffering from some sort of mental disorder or distress. I

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Speaker 5: would assume she would have some level of security clearance

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Speaker 5: with Homeland Security, especially given the type of thing that

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Speaker 5: she was working on. I believe some sort of subway

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Speaker 5: defense system. I don't really know a lot of the

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Speaker 5: details about that, but.

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Speaker 1: Yes, unfamiliar with it, John, She was working on a

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Speaker 1: project that would protect Americans on subways and other rapid transit,

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Speaker 1: and she was heavily involved in that. So I find

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Speaker 1: it difficult to believe that a scientist working on a

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Speaker 1: project for the government is crazy. For lack of a

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Speaker 1: better word, Chrismal Lord joining us WUT science editor Daily Mail.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, back to one of the

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Speaker 1: victims that have received very little attention, and that is

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Speaker 1: the mom I keep referring to Melissa Cassius. Did you know, Chris,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you did that when her effects were found

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Speaker 1: there at her home that she left behind. Both her

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Speaker 1: work phone and her cell phone had been factory reset.

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Speaker 1: Both of them had been wiped before she went on

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Speaker 1: a walk that afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it is very highly unusual. Basically, she had a

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Speaker 3: work phone, personal phone, everything was left in her house,

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Speaker 3: all of her possessions, her keys, and she was just

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Speaker 3: walked out without them. I mean, for a phone to

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Speaker 3: be completely reset, basically leaving no trace of who she

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Speaker 3: was in contact with. Highly unusual. The former intelligence agents

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Speaker 3: that we've spoken to, former members of the sci definitely

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Speaker 3: see something that needs to be investigated at the federal level.

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Speaker 3: And onto, if I may veer off to es Gridge

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Speaker 3: for a second, we also have her text messages provided

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Speaker 3: by Frank Milburn regarding the threats against her life that

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Speaker 3: we've just published as well, uh and the work that

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Speaker 3: she was doing in this regard. So, I mean, these

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Speaker 3: people left breadcrumbs for the world to find, and we're

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Speaker 3: just trying to put these pieces together and ask the

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Speaker 1: Chris Malo joining US Deputy Science Editor, Daily Mail, Brian Fitzgibbons,

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Speaker 1: USPA Nationwide Security. Frank Milburn, you former British intelligence and

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Speaker 1: John Nance, former supervisory special agent with the FBI over

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Speaker 1: twenty years. If you know or think you know anything

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Speaker 1: regarding these deaths and disappearances, please dial eight hundred Call

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Speaker 1: FBI eight hundred two two five, five three two four.

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Speaker 1: We remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Jesse Perez Dawson

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Speaker 1: County Sheriff's, Texas, killed in the line of duty, leaving

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Speaker 1: behind a wife now widow, Linda, and three daughters, Mackenzie,

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Speaker 1: Zoe and Shelby. American hero Sheriff Jesse Petes Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,