1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Why from our nations this budget thing is going to 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: do nothing space forts. I still think it's interesting President 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: Trump not playing his cards yet headlines Policy and Politics 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: Aliding sound on with Kevin's related The Insiders, the infer 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: the insiders. I would rather see a congressional solution. It's 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: part of my DNA to the Senate map in looks 7 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: a lot different than it looked in You really have 8 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: a divide within Team Trump. The president has to do 9 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: exactly what people send in here to do, which is 10 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: to get it done. He's sound on with Kevin's related 11 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg one and seven m h D two bosomle 12 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday. Let's get right to it. House Democrats issuing 13 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: more subpoenas headlines crossing the Bloomberg terminal. Just within the 14 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: last ten minutes, Hope Picks remember her. She has now 15 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: been subpoenaed by the Democratic controlled House of Representatives. Meanwhile, 16 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: as has a top aid to President Trump's former former 17 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: lawyer Don McGann. We're gonna get into all of this. Meanwhile, 18 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: Bob Mueller is saying he would not like to testify 19 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: publicly and would like to do it privately. Will anyone 20 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: ever here publicly from don or from Bob Mueller. And meanwhile, 21 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: in policy new developments, President Trump aligning with Democrats and 22 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: Republicans on pushing back against Chinese telecommunications firms Huawei and Zte. 23 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: But what does it mean for tariffs and the US 24 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: China trade talks. We have an all star panel here, 25 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: Plus we're gonna check in with Congressman Jamie Raskin. Uh 26 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: who's going to call us in later on in the program. 27 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: Brian Lanza his first time on the show. He's managing 28 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: director at Mercury. He's the former Trump for President Deputy 29 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: communications director and the Trump Transition Team Communications director, a 30 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: k A. A Trump insider. And Adrian L. Rod, a 31 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: friend of the program, democratic strategist and a former senior 32 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: advisor at the Hillary Clinton campaign. What does she make 33 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: of Joe Biden's launch in My neck of the Woods, 34 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: Philly just the other day? Before we get into all 35 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: of that, though, Hope Picks remember her. She has been subpoena. 36 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: The Democratic chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, issuing Subpoena's 37 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: Tuesday ordering two more of President Trump's former advisors, Hope 38 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: Picks and Annie Donaldson, to testify before the Panel of 39 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: the House Judiciary Committee. Joining us in studio, we have 40 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: Adrian L. Rod, She's a friend of the program, a 41 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: Democratic strategist and Clinton team presidential campaign director of strategic communications. 42 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: And Brian Lanza making his debut on the program, managing 43 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: director at Mercury. He is also the former Trump for 44 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: President Deputy communications director and Trump Transition Team communications director. 45 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: Brian Hope Picks subpoena will she testify? No, I mean, 46 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: this whole narrative is just born. At this point. We 47 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: know what they're gonna do is drum up more noise, 48 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: and the precedent is going to say this. You know, 49 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: this is what less waste time. Adrian Um, Well, I'm 50 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: not sure. I mean, I certainly am not speaking on 51 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: behalf of Hope Picks. Um, that's pretty clear. But look, 52 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: this is what happens. I mean, this is what happens 53 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: when the Trump administration continuously suppresses these testimonies, does not 54 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: turn over relevant documents. Jerry Nadler in the Oversight Committee chairman, 55 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: chairmen and women on the House side are now forced 56 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: to essentially go after other staff to try to get 57 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: information that the Trump White House will not turn over. 58 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: All right, So in a statement cause Judiciary Committee Chairman 59 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: Jerry Nadler, a Democrat from New York, saying quote, I 60 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: have issued these subpoenas today to two critical witnesses who 61 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: have worked closely with the president. We are seeking the 62 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: information in order to conduct proper oversight, consider potential legislation, 63 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: and perform our constitutional duties. The two subpoenas being issued 64 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: are for Hope Picks and Annie Donaldson. We should note 65 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: that it comes as they have tried to pursue findings 66 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: by Special Counsel Bob Muller concerning possible obstruction of justice 67 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: by President Trump. This is an aggressive move. Brian No, listen. 68 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: I think it's if you look at the pattern and 69 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: discussions that Annatalie has been having, He's always wanted to 70 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: have a very aggressive posture, and I think that's why 71 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: it's important for the administration to push back. I mean, 72 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna see these subpoenas this week, probably know the 73 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: set of subpoenas next week. I mean, we know what 74 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: the playbook looks like. I mean, the Republicans did this 75 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: against Bill Clinton, you know what, twenty years but this 76 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: is totally different. That was a Democrat at that point, 77 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: so I was sort of have a different perspective. But 78 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: it's a Democrat. I never knew that. I think we've 79 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: identified like the one person of Washington. Who wow, Adrian, 80 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: what do you say that? Well, first, I'm kind of 81 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: shocked to know that that Brian Lanza was once a 82 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: Democratrats Democrat. Couldn't stomach Algore, I went, but I was 83 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: definitely Clinton. I mean, no, Look, this is the repercussion 84 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: of the Trump white House simply not turning over the 85 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: requested documents. I mean, Jerry Naveler, I'm sure we would 86 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: like to not ask and Donaldson, who is um who 87 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: I believe was domagant to staff and also hope Picks 88 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: to come in. But because the Trump white House will 89 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: not turn over documents that have been subpoenaed. By the way, 90 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: I mean, this is what Congress is supposed to do. 91 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: They're supposed to exercise oversight authority, this is what the 92 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: Constitution lays out. And the fact that the Trump administration 93 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: is not willing to work with them, this is what 94 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: we're now going to see happening. I think you're probably right, Brian. 95 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: I think we will see more and more subpoenas come 96 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: forward of additional information and towards additional people to testify 97 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: because the administration will not turn over the requested documents. 98 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: Hicks was subpoena to testify on June. And all of 99 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: this is pertaining to potential obstruction of just obstruction of justice, right, Adrian, 100 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: and whether or not the Democrats in the Democratic controlled 101 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: House of Representatives are ultimately going to decide to impeach, right, 102 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what we're talking about here, right, And 103 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: this is Look, this is something that obviously there's some 104 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: very public facing disagreement right now between members of the 105 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: Democratic Party caucus in Congress and obviously Leader Pelosi and 106 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: her team as well. Um, you know, we'll see how 107 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: this plays out. I do think that at the very least, 108 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: an impeachment inquiry, which essentially examines whether or not the 109 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: impeachment process should take place, that seems like a logical 110 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: step to me, because we're not saying, Okay, we're going 111 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: immediately into impeachment proceedings, were saying we're going to obtain 112 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: and all the information, examine everything, and decide whether or 113 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: not we truly believe there's a case. And I think 114 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: in order for to appease the Democratic Party base who 115 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: wants this, and also to make sure that we are 116 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: product you know, conducting and providing proper oversight over the 117 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: executive branch. That's an important first step. Sorry, So why 118 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: why are we using the why are we trying to 119 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: appease the Democratic base? Why don't we do what's right here? 120 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 1: What the right system is? You had more king forward? No, no, no, Usually, 121 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: I mean we get to these developments towards the end 122 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: of the program, but these headlines just crossing the Bloomberg 123 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: terminal again. The House Judiciary Committee issuing subpoenas to Hope 124 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: Hicks as well as Annie Donaldson, the former or the 125 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: latter being one of the top aids that Don McGann. 126 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: So that's story number one. Nadler issuing these subpoenas to 127 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: two longtime Trump advisors. Then you've got Don McGann today 128 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: defying these subpoena issued by the Judiciary Committee chairman, saying 129 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: that he will not subpoena and or he will not 130 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: comply with the subpoena and testify. So the former White 131 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: House Council Don again not testifying. And then you've got 132 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: the Bob Mueller showdown about whether or not he's going 133 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: to testify, and Robert Mueller, according to my colleague Billy 134 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: House Reporting, is balking at testifying publicly before Congress and 135 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: is pushing for a closed or appearance. It's hard to 136 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: keep up. I mean, with all of these different it's 137 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: like political whack a mole, and I do want to 138 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: play what did you guys see this? Justin Amash, the 139 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: Republican from Michigan who is saying that he wants he's 140 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: for impeachment, joining the Democrats never one to say, you know, 141 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: shy away from from grabbing the headline. But everyone, everyone 142 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: trust me, take my word for it. Once an interview 143 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: with Congressman Amash, he gives like this, he's talking to 144 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: a bunch of students today, earlier and and he finally 145 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: breaks his silence on on whether or not he wants 146 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: to impeach. Everyone in the press corps was like, are 147 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: you are you serious? But I'll play for you what 148 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: Congressman Justin Amash had to say the only time hero 149 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: and about about the impeachment here he is it's a process. 150 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: It's not like the resolution is just drawn up overnight. 151 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: It's a it's a process, and you have to come 152 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: to the right conclusions about how to draft something. So 153 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 1: that was Congressman Justin Amasha, Republican from Michigan, who I'm 154 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: confused who is who said that he is in agreement 155 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: with Democrats that there was impeachable conduct and then send 156 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: a majority leader Mitch McConnell. Will big listen to what 157 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: he had to say. You can do whatever they choose 158 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: to case close from cocaine, Mitch and listen. I'm not 159 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: being sarky. He has embraced that headline and it's selling 160 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 1: t shirts. Coming up on the program, Enough of the investigations. 161 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk policy, especially US and China trade talks. 162 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: What do does the executive order on against Huawei and 163 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: Zte mean for US businesses and the fate of those 164 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: tariffs with the US China trade talks. You can download 165 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: the Sound On podcast on Apple iTunes, at Bloomberg dot com, 166 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: or by downloading the Bloomberg Business app. You can also 167 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: find us on Radio dot com, I Heart Radio and Spotify. 168 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin CURRELLI and you are listening to Bloomberg and 169 00:09:53,160 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: you know I'm one. This is Sound On with Keim 170 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg one and one oh five point seven m 171 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: h D two, Baltimore. I'm Kevin Sarelli, Chief Washington correspondent 172 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. The ongoing trade saga 173 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: between the US and China has hit a new rap 174 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: rupture this as the Trump administration has essentially blacklisted Huawei 175 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: and Zte from advancing their businesses. These are, of course, 176 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: the Chinese state run telecommunication giants from doing business here 177 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: in the United States. With me in studio, Brian Lanza, 178 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: He's managing director at Mercury. He's also the former Trump 179 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: for President deputy communications director and Trump Transition Team communications director. 180 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: And I just learned this also a former Clinton Democrat 181 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: from California. But switch what part of Cali? L A, 182 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 1: oh wow, but switch you and Steven Miller, but switched 183 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: different after after after the gore Kin stomach gore So 184 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: anyone from w and Adrian L. Rod, who I watched, 185 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: learned that Brian was a Democrat and her ears barked up. 186 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: Adrian L. Rod, Democratic strategist, Clinton Insider's former senior advisor 187 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: to the Hill. I was not, by the way, a 188 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: former Republican. Yeah, I've always been a Democrat. Did you 189 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: know that Senator Elizabeth Warren, the Democratic presidential candidate was 190 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 1: a Republican. That's fascinating fact, like one of the most 191 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: progressive members. Yeah, well, let's let's stay on topic with 192 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: the U. S and China trade UH deal and and 193 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: and really how this has absolutely flipped upside down. And 194 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: my colleagues are reporting on the Bloomberg terminal that the 195 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: President really waited until just within the last week or 196 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: so before he decided to ink the executive orders against 197 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: Huawei against z t E, which essentially are like the 198 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 1: Apple and Googles of China. And I got to be honest. 199 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: I was up on Capitol Hill today and I interviewed 200 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: one of the top Democrats in the Senate on Foreign Relations, 201 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: Senator Chris Coons. He's a Democrat from Delaware, and he 202 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: he essentially said that Democrats are in lockstep with the 203 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: administration on how US foreign policy is being conducted as 204 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: it pertains to Huawei and ZTE. Take a listen to 205 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: what he told me. That's a fairly bold step and 206 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: is moving US towards decoupling um the technology sectors of 207 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: the United States in China. I am convinced that Huahwei 208 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: poses a significant security threat to the United States. So 209 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: that was Senator Chris Coons Brian, a Democrat from Delaware. 210 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: And it seems that lawmakers, whether last week it was 211 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: Senator Mark Warner, a Democrat from Virginia, or this week 212 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: Senator Cohn's, are aligned with President Trump on this particular 213 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: point by partisanship is working. I mean, it's at the 214 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: end of the day, you know, you have some very 215 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: you know, important issues that have been on the horizon 216 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: for a very long time. I think we're at this 217 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: unique juncture where the president is wrapped up sort of 218 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: maximum pressure when it comes to trade negotiations, and as 219 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: he's doing these negotiations, he's obviously bringing more issues into 220 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: the play to strength and is negotiating hand And I 221 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: think that's probably what you see in Waweh's, you know, 222 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: is one additional steps. I'm sure there's other steps you 223 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 1: can see, but it's it's it's I guess it's all 224 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: part of, you know, the foreign policy of maximum pressure. 225 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: And meanwhile, I don't know if you guys saw this, 226 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: there was a letter that was sent just within the 227 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: last twenty four hours or so where the top athletic 228 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: wear companies, Nike Adidas under armour. They signed this letter 229 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: and they said, well, I'm paraphrase like, dear Mr President, 230 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: please get rid of these tariffs, because they're they're concerned 231 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: about how tariffs are going to impact their industry. Adrian, 232 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: is that something that you think is only going to 233 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: continue to reverberate an echo here inside of the Beltway 234 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: as more and more sectors, whether it's not We always 235 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: talk about commodities, we always talk about farmers, but these 236 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: are all a lot of different sectors that are aligned 237 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: against these tariffs. Yeah, I do, and I think that, um, 238 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: you know, we're we're certainly seeing a lot of sectors 239 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: come forward to the Trump administration and sound the alarm 240 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: bells about how these tariffs are going to impact their industry. Um, 241 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: because of course, ultimately the volatility in the market, the 242 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: you know, questions about how when and if the tariffs 243 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: are going to take place, ultimately hurts consumers because they're 244 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: the ones who are on the receiving end of this 245 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: market instability. You know, I would say that same letter 246 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: also talks about, you know, wanting more time to move 247 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: their operations away from China into other markets. So I 248 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: think there's a recognition from people from industry who realize 249 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: that China is probably not going to be the best 250 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: actor going forward if they're going to continue do these 251 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: paths of trying to steal our technology I T or 252 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: technology chancefers, and that this particular moment, we're addressing it. 253 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: And you know, so the letter is right in the 254 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: sense that tariffs are hurting them, but the letter also 255 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: goes on to say, if you give us more time 256 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: to delay the tariffs so we can relocate our resources 257 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: away or capital resources away from China. You see that 258 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: as a is a pretty big step that's sort of changing, 259 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: you know, the trade policy that existed for the last 260 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: twenty years, and that's all President Trump and the administration 261 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: has signaled. You mentioned that that extension they signaled within 262 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours that they're going to issue 263 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: this nine d day reprieve period for some US businesses 264 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: to recalibrate before they have to comply with the executive 265 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: orders regarding ZTE and Huawei. Adrian, you mentioned the markets 266 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: US stocks rebounding on Tuesday as the trade war driven 267 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: back and forth that dominated the markets this month showed 268 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: few signs of abating of the SMP five hundred climbed 269 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: after the US decided to grant these limited relief for 270 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: the consumers and carriers that do business with Huahwei uh So, 271 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: again the SMP reacting positively with regards to that extension. 272 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: Coming up, we talked more about the investigations we're gonna 273 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: hear from a member of the Democratic controlled House Judiciary Committee. 274 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: Congressman Jamie Raskin, a Democrat from Maryland, joins us on 275 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: the telephone, reacting to the new subpoenas from that House 276 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:12,479 Speaker 1: Judiciary Committee against Hope Pix and former Domagan aid Annie Donaldson. 277 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: That's coming up. 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I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington correspondent for 285 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio and joining us on the 286 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: telephone line is a member of the House Judiciary Committee, 287 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: Congressman Jamie Raskin. He's a Democrat from Maryland. Congressman. The 288 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: headlines that have crossed just within the last couple of 289 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: hours as the committee of which you are a member, 290 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: issuing new subpoenas tonight against longtime Trump advisor Hope Picks, 291 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: as well as former aide to Don McGann Annie Donaldson. Why. Um, 292 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 1: I think, if I'm recalling correctly, that they make an 293 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: appearance in the Mueller Report as knowing about various episodes 294 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: of presidential obstruction of justice, such as the president ordering 295 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: Don McGan too uh fired the special counsel, and other 296 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 1: episodes in which the president interfered with the ongoing law 297 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: enforcement investigation. So that's the first headline. And meanwhile, point 298 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: number two is that Bob Mueller, the Special Counsel, is 299 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: reportedly balking at having to testify publicly before Congress and 300 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 1: wants to do it behind closed doors. So why is 301 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: there anything that you can do or Democrats can do 302 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: to strategically get him to testify publicly. Well, I think 303 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: we've got to find out what he's fearful of We 304 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: know that the president has made lots of threats to 305 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: lots of different witnesses. He has tried to intimidate people 306 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: and their families. Um, and so I don't know exactly 307 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: what's you know, what is behind it. It might have 308 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: nothing to do with the president. But will we can 309 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: try to, um, you know, uh, appease any concerns he's 310 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 1: got about testifying. Obviously he'll be able to speak freely 311 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: about what's on his mind and what went into both 312 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: the factful findings and the legal conclusions of the report. 313 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: Al Right, So you've got subpoena's issue today for Hope 314 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: Picks and Annie Donaldson, longtime Trump aids. You've got Bob 315 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: Muller saying that he wants to testify behind closed doors. 316 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: And then you have former White House counsel Don McGann 317 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: defying the subpoena by declining to testify before the House 318 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: Judiciary Committee. Uh, this after the White House has said 319 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 1: that they would not like him to testify. What do 320 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: you say to folks who say, hey, this is the 321 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: president's attorney. He shouldn't have to testify. It's it's attorney 322 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: client privilege. Um. Well, well, we know that that is 323 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: not UM a privilege that gives anybody immunity from testifying 324 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: before Congress, So that doesn't work. And UM, he has 325 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: UH testified before the Special Counsels. So if there were 326 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: any executive privilege, it's clearly been way if the President 327 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 1: encouraged him to spend many hours talking to UH, the 328 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: Special Council and the Supreme Court has said that the 329 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: top advisors of the president UM are subject to being 330 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: called to testify before Congress. And you know, even if 331 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: there is this or that question that they may be 332 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,479 Speaker 1: immunized from having to answer because of executive privilege, they 333 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: still have to come and then they can invoke the 334 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: privilege as to this or that question. But we think 335 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: that the privilege has been waived entirely by virtue of 336 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: all of the testimony before Special Council. Mala joining us 337 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: on the line Congressman Jamie Raskin. He is a Democrat 338 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: representing Maryland's eighth district. He is also a member of 339 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: the House Judiciary Committee, the Eye of the Storm in 340 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: which all of these investigations are being looked at. Congressman, 341 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 1: has the issue of impeachment been settled? Uh? No, definitely, 342 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: not um there are. There's an increasing number of members 343 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 1: who are calling for an impeachment investigation, an impeachment inquiry, 344 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: but that's very different from impeachment. The press has framed 345 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: this as are you for impeachment or against impeachment, which 346 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: really is not the question. The question is whether UH 347 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: we have enough evidence from the Mala report, and I 348 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: do think it's overwhelming to suggest that there were high 349 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: crimes and misdemeanors committed in presidential obstruction of justice such 350 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: that we should in Panel UH an investigation to inquire 351 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: into high crimes and misdemeanors. Congressman, I know you have 352 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: a busy schedule and we appreciate you calling into the program, 353 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 1: but before I let you go, I just want to 354 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: follow up on this point because earlier on we played 355 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: a portion of comments from Senate Majority Leader Mitch mcconnald, 356 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 1: the Republican from Kentucky, And you know this, the math 357 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,959 Speaker 1: and the Senate is a very different political landscape than 358 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: the Democratic controlled House. So what do you say to 359 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: political observers or folks who are trying to understand why 360 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: even go through with impeachment in the House if it's 361 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 1: just going to land with a thud. In the Senate, 362 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 1: we've all taken a concert from oath to uphold and 363 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. UM. 364 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: And that's a pretty sacred oath that all of us 365 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: have voluntarily entered into. We can't control what the Senate does. 366 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: We passed a terrific gun safety bill which is supported 367 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: by American people, to close the internet loophole, in the 368 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: private gun show loophole. If nothing's happened with it. In 369 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: the Senate, Miss McConnell is sitting on it. We passed 370 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: legislation to lower prescription drug prices UM by getting UM, 371 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: the generics more opportunity to get out there to compete. 372 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: They've done nothing. Within in the Senate, we passed equal 373 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: pay for equal work legislation for women. Again they've done nothing. 374 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: But but well, what can we do other than to 375 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: do our constitutional duty and to uphold our oaths of office. 376 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: And the truth is that when you launched such inquiry, 377 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: you don't know what's going to happen. I mean, when 378 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: UM Richard Nixon ended up resigning after impeachment articles were 379 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: introduced against him, UM, he was much higher in the 380 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,719 Speaker 1: polls than Donald Trump. Donald Trump is one of the 381 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: lowest rated presidents of all time because of his, you know, 382 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: clear misbehavior and misconduct in office. But um Nixon ended 383 00:22:55,760 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: up just dropping precipitously in the polls, and even Republicans 384 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: said to him, the game is up. You've committed high 385 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: crimes and misdemeanors. Nobody's above the law in America. That's 386 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: the key point. And one of my Republican colleagues, justin 387 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: Amash who said they were clearly impeachable crimes committed by 388 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: the president. According to the Special Council report. He had said, 389 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 1: we cannot think like Democrats and Republicans. We gotta think 390 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 1: like Americans. And he's right. Let me just quickly, just 391 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: very very quickly, and just let me let me press 392 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 1: you here. What do you say about you know this, 393 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: I mean, the chatter in Washington off the record is 394 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: that President Trump is essentially saying, bring it on, impeach me. 395 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: He wants to be impeached. What what do you say 396 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: to that, to that thinking, when when Republicans are chattering 397 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: like that and they're making the case impeaching would help him. Yeah, 398 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it is true. The president murchers from crisis 399 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: to crisis. But let's shut down the government, let's build 400 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: the wall. When that feels, you know, we'll go to Mexico, 401 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 1: We'll go to Congress. When that feels I'll declare national emergency. 402 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: When that fails, I'll move on to the next crisis. 403 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it's true he would love this as a 404 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: crisis a couple of days, but that doesn't stop us 405 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: from pursuing the rule of law and us doing our 406 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 1: concertual duty. But by the way, he should be where 407 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: what he wishes for, because he might think this is 408 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: a big game that he and the Republicans are engaged in. 409 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: When they continually taunt us and say impeach and peach 410 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: and peach um, there are a number of Republicans who 411 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: will get into the Republican primaries the moment in impeachment 412 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: in Quarry begins. I mean, you can tell Romney is 413 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: waiting to have his revenge, as if Marco Rubio and 414 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz. These are all people that Trump has directly 415 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: insulted them and their families, uh in very hostile and 416 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: in bendery ways, and there's no love lost between him 417 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: and most of the Republican Party. The moment that they 418 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: see him thinking they're gonna be pouncing on it and 419 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: running for president. So I think that the joke might 420 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: be on the president in the end in terms of 421 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: what his party does. All Right, we're gonna have to 422 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: leave it there. Thank you to Congressman Jamie Raskin, a 423 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: Democrat from Maryland. He's a member of the House Judiciary Committee, 424 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 1: which of course has been don nating the political discourse 425 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: on this beautiful Tuesday. Coming up much more policy and politics. 426 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: Are panel reacts to that interview. I'm Kevin Sirelli. You're 427 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: listening to Bloomberg. This is sound On with Kevin Cirelli 428 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg and m h D two Baltimore. Maybe I'm biased, 429 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: but I gotta say, on a beautiful day like this 430 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: spring in Washington, d C. There is no better soundtrack 431 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: than the all time best band in the history of music. 432 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: You too, I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg 433 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: Television and Bloomberg Radio. We are talking all things politics 434 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: and policy. We just heard from Congressman Jamie Raskin. He 435 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: is a Democrat representing Maryland's eighth congressional district. He is 436 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 1: also a member of the House Judiciary Committee, which issued 437 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: subpoenas tonight to longtime Trump aide Hope Picks, as well 438 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: as Annie Donaldson. She is a an aid to Donmagann, 439 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: the President's UH Special counsel UH in studio listening to 440 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: this interview with Us for the Hour his first time 441 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: on the program. Brian Lanza, Managing director of Mercury. He's 442 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 1: the former Trump for President Deputy communications director and Trump 443 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: Transition Team communications director. And Adrian el Rod, a friend 444 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: of the program, a country music fan and a Democratic 445 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: strategist as well as Hillary Clinton insider. She was the 446 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: Clinton sixteen presidential campaign director of strategic Communications. And Adrian, 447 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: I do want to extend my condolences because I know 448 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: UH that you were recently at the funeral ceremony for 449 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: and the reception honoring the life of former Congresswoman Ellen Talsher, 450 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 1: a Democrat from California, and there were some high profile 451 00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: dignitaries who attended that event. Yeah, Kevin, she was really incredible. 452 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: She was first of all, one of our top surrogates 453 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,239 Speaker 1: on Hillary Clinton's both two thousand eight campaign in two 454 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen campaign. She was also this is a 455 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: very fun, interesting fact, one of the actually the youngest 456 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: woman ever appointed to serve on the New York Stock 457 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: Exchange at and also one of the only women at 458 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: the time to be on the stock Exchange. I didn't 459 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: know that, right. So she had this incredible career, and 460 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 1: of course she was in Congress for five terms, and 461 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: then Hillary appointed her to be her under secretary for 462 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: Nuclear Affairs, where she renegotiated the start Treaty with Russia. 463 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: I mean it was it was really quite the powerful 464 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 1: group of foreign affairs experts and dignitaries yesterday precisely, and 465 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: the former Secretary of State and Democratic presidential nominee Hillary 466 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: Clinton attending that ceremony, as well as how Speaker Nancy Pelosi. 467 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: And there was a reception at Cafe Milano. Where else 468 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: would it be a Cafe Milano in Georgetown, obviously and 469 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: and but truly a remarkable honoring. The reception followed the 470 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 1: memorial service at the National Cathedral. I'm just going through 471 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: the names of folks who were there. Janet Napolitano, former 472 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 1: Senator Chuck rob Representative Donna Cholala from Florida, LA. I apologize, 473 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: I'm reading this clearly. Wow, this is why I'm still wow. 474 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 1: I deserve that I apologize to Congressman Leila and my apologies. 475 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: I think she get it a lot. Well, it was 476 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: a beautiful, beautiful ceremony, great van sussion attended as well. Brian. Okay, 477 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: we just heard from Congressman Jamie Raskin, a Democrat from 478 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: Maryland representing uh the member of the House Judiciary Committee, 479 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: and he said that I'm paraphrasing that the issue of 480 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: impeachment is not settled, that President Trump's assertions that he 481 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: wants to be impeached should be not taken seriously because 482 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: there are Republicans who want to jump in and challenge 483 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: him in a presidential primary. Your response, Yeah, the circus continues. 484 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's good to know that the congressman 485 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: has a pins about our primary process and that he's 486 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: leveraging his Judiciary committee to try to influence the Republican primary. 487 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: I'm sure the taxpayers happen here about that. Adrian, you 488 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: tell me, I mean, that's exactly what I heard. Um, No, 489 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: that's not what I heard at all, Actually, not at all. Listen. Listen, 490 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: here's what we've got to keep in mind. If you 491 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: take politics out of the equation. You take it, you know, 492 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: the thirty thousand foot view, and you realize that Congress 493 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: is the co equal branch, the executive branch, and it 494 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,479 Speaker 1: is the only especially the House right now is the 495 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: only branch of government that is conducting a proper check 496 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: and balance on the administration. If Congresses not do his 497 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: job and conduct proper oversight, then future presidents, by the 498 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: way Brian Democrat or Republican could come forward and say, 499 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm above the rule of law. I 500 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: can conduct myself however I choose to while in office, 501 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: and you know, before and get away with it. So 502 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: Congress has to do this is their oversight responsibility. The 503 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: issue that Nancy Pelosi has is knowing that impeachment should 504 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: go through is never going to pass this inate. Donald 505 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: Trump will not be impeached in this current Congress. So 506 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: it's like why put the country through the marathon if 507 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: if if you're never going to reach it, you got 508 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: to keep the base happy. The base expects this. There's 509 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: been promises made to the Democratic base that if you 510 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: give us power where we're going to impeach this president. 511 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: And now, in spite of any evidence of anything impeachable 512 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: they're sort of moving down this track where they have 513 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: to do it very similar to the Tea Party did 514 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: to to Baynter. You know, they made him go through 515 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: an unreasonable path and shutting down the government multiple times, 516 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: regardless if there was any real success. Nancy Pelosi's falling 517 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: in that same trap by sort of talking that impeachment 518 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: by beyond the table. Now they're trying to they're trying 519 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: to nuance and say, we're not actually talking about impeachment. 520 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: We're talking about the possibility of investigating impeachment. It's all impeachment, 521 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: but nobody you know, they're not gonna put it up. 522 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: But I think you have to look at this in 523 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: two different buckets here. Politically, yes, that is where Democrats 524 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: have to figure out how to keep the base happy 525 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: while can being proper oversight and not completely abdicating responsibility. 526 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: But then if you look at the actual policy side 527 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: of things and simply the responsibility of government and the 528 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: responsibility of the congressional of Congress and of the legislative branch, 529 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: then you cannot abdicate this responsibility. This is literally Congress's job. 530 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: It is ingrained in the Constitution that Congress conducts oversight 531 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: over the executive branch. You know, once again, the street 532 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: is not blinking. They're they're barely blinking. They barely blinked 533 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: on all of the saga surrounding your former Secretary Clinton's emails, 534 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: and they're barely blinking on on the latest headlines about 535 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: chatter of impeachment, and a lot of the analytical notes 536 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: are still keeping that estimate from a percentage standpoint at 537 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: about twenty less less than that impeachment would be uh, 538 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: something that is that is going to be serious. I 539 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: do want to switch gears because there was some developments 540 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,479 Speaker 1: regarding a Ran. Democrats are were clamoring for answers, according 541 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: to my colleagues on the Bloomberg terminal about the US 542 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: intentions for Iran, and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and 543 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: other intelligence officials spoke with House Republicans and Democrats at 544 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: the Capitol earlier today, following followed by a separate briefing 545 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: from Senators Adrian regarding Iran in particular, what does the 546 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: administration need to convey Well, they first of all need 547 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: to convey confidence to the American people. I mean, this 548 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: is uh, this is certainly not um a foreign policy issue. 549 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: That I think the administration has handled well from the start. 550 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: They walked away from negotiations a year ago. Um. Now 551 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: I think they're trying to figure out what to do. 552 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: But the bottom line is, I think it's a country 553 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: nobody wants to go to war with Iran. I mean, 554 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: maybe there are a handful of people who are like, 555 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: you know, yea war, but the majority of us don't 556 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: want to do that. So we are looking to the 557 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: administration to conduct a very um, thoughtful, smart policy conversation 558 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: with Iran because we don't want to get into this mess. Um. 559 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: But that's why it's you shameful to me that Trump 560 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: walked away from the deal that was so very carefully 561 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: put together by the Obama administration. That was not easy 562 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: to do. I mean, listen, the deal was something that 563 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: needed to be canceled. It's it's something that the president 564 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: campaigned on. He was pretty transparent. Every side had the 565 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: opportunity to make the case, but it didn't exist. You know. 566 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: As as for you know, engaging engaging Iran and what's 567 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: going on, Like we have to move forward, there is 568 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: a process here. He's gotta he's gotta remain engaged. But 569 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: the one thing to recognize I'm gonna talk hand it 570 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: off to Kevin really quick. Is also realized Trump is 571 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: very skeptical of the intelligence community, and we want that 572 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: skepticism at this critical time. And then and when you 573 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: talk to sources at the State Department that they say 574 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: they're putting full pressure on Iran through economic measures to 575 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: isolate them, to encourage them to act as a good behavior, 576 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna have to leave it there. My thanks to 577 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: Adrian L. Rod, friend of the program, democratic strategist, and 578 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: Brian Lanza his first time on the program, managing director 579 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: of Mercury and a Trump insider. That's it for me. 580 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin surreally, chief washed in correspondent for Bloomberg TV 581 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: and Radio. You're listening to Bloomberg