WEBVTT - What Parallels for the Coronavirus Are There?

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<v Speaker 1>It's Thursday, March nineteen. I'm Oscar Ramirez from the Daily

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<v Speaker 1>Dive podcast in Los Angeles, and this is your daily

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<v Speaker 1>coronavirus update. A little bit of perspective as we faced

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<v Speaker 1>this coronavirus pandemic. It is a disaster that has no

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<v Speaker 1>modern parallel. Even some of the worst events that have happened,

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<v Speaker 1>like natural disasters or terrorist attacks, happen in one place

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<v Speaker 1>at one time. But this is a health threat hitting

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<v Speaker 1>the globe all at once, and it will affect us

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<v Speaker 1>in many profound ways for some time. Brian Walsh, future

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<v Speaker 1>correspondent at Axios, joins us for why this is an

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<v Speaker 1>endurance race with no clear end yet. Thanks for joining us, Brian,

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<v Speaker 1>Continuing our coverage of the coronavirus pandemic. This is really

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<v Speaker 1>something that's going on that has no modern parallel for us.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of times when you hear coverage of this,

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<v Speaker 1>people are going back to the Spanish flu of n eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one of the earliest things we can kind of

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<v Speaker 1>compare this to. Maybe people millennials and surrounding generations have

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<v Speaker 1>just no experience with anything like this, and we're start

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<v Speaker 1>and feel the effects of it. There's lockdowns happening in

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<v Speaker 1>different states and cities. Bars, restaurants are closing. All of

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff is happening, and this is going to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of change how we operate for the time being. The

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<v Speaker 1>economy is going to suffer because of this. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff that's going to happen as a result

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<v Speaker 1>of trying to mitigate the spread of COVID nineteen. Brian

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<v Speaker 1>tell us a little bit about this, what are we

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<v Speaker 1>in for? I actually think you're right that there's really

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<v Speaker 1>no personally feel actuallyas now witho our modern memory, like

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<v Speaker 1>we may want to go back to traumatic events like

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<v Speaker 1>Hurricane Katrina or nine eleven, but the important thing to

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<v Speaker 1>remember there's those events where geographically limited, limited by time,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the attacted the people who were in the

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<v Speaker 1>disaster area or around New York obviously during nine eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is truly global. There's no real place to

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<v Speaker 1>escape both the direct effects of the virus itself. Eventually

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<v Speaker 1>it's a continued to spread and certainly no real place

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<v Speaker 1>to escape the social distancing measures that have to be

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<v Speaker 1>put in place to combat that spread. So that global

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<v Speaker 1>nature is really something we have in face. And I

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<v Speaker 1>go back all the way to the Spanish flood pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>Surely they're similar, is there, But it's a very very

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<v Speaker 1>different world, much more glibly interconnected. Much we're higher standards

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<v Speaker 1>of healthcare, so we expect more so what we're in

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<v Speaker 1>for both. I think however long this actually takes, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the impact that will have following it, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>something we have any experience with. You can hear definitely

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<v Speaker 1>in the way that President Trump is starting to get

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<v Speaker 1>a handle on this situation and his team. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the administration is getting better and handling this now. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>they have a singular focus. They have a very good

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<v Speaker 1>team behind them, and they're following the recommendations of the experts,

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<v Speaker 1>So I think they're starting to get a handle on it.

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<v Speaker 1>When the administration has a lot of things going on,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes things tend to be a little wacky. But right

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<v Speaker 1>now with the singular focus, I think they're starting to

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<v Speaker 1>get a little bit better. Obviously, leadership is key and

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<v Speaker 1>all of this. You mentioned in your article that something

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<v Speaker 1>instructive for us could be going back to World War

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<v Speaker 1>Two and how we operated then tell us a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about that. I think that's really what we're two.

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<v Speaker 1>Might be the best example you can go back to

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<v Speaker 1>and that's not much because of the disease itself, but

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<v Speaker 1>for the total public mobilization that the response to war

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<v Speaker 1>to really require the American public obviously not just the

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<v Speaker 1>millions of Americans who were drafted or volunteered when the

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<v Speaker 1>service and actually fought and they died, but those here

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<v Speaker 1>at the home of what we had to do in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of changing our day to day lives. That we

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<v Speaker 1>have to deal with, rationing of public goods at gasoline,

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<v Speaker 1>of food, even here in New York City where I live,

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<v Speaker 1>gratually the dim out the skyline of the city to

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<v Speaker 1>reduce the risk of ships being picked up by submarines

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<v Speaker 1>actually during the war, and that lasted for three or

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<v Speaker 1>four years, and it was totally transformative, and well, the

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<v Speaker 1>public did get behind that. It wasn't quite as easy

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<v Speaker 1>it looks back in retrospect, and it took effort, it

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<v Speaker 1>took fighting to really get to that point. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of what we need to do with And of

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<v Speaker 1>course what it really requires us right now mostly to

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<v Speaker 1>do is stay at home, not go out, don't be

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<v Speaker 1>part of a change of affection. But that's gonna be hard,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's really going to require us to give up

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<v Speaker 1>most of the things we think of as daily life,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's definitely gonna be too. I mean, would just

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<v Speaker 1>did a story about kind of this quote unquote generational

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<v Speaker 1>war that's brewing over the coronavirus. You know, young people

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<v Speaker 1>feel like it doesn't affect them the same way, you

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<v Speaker 1>know when you look at mortality rates and how severe

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<v Speaker 1>the symptoms are. So they're doing lockdown parties and they're

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<v Speaker 1>still trying to be out and about and do things.

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<v Speaker 1>And I want to have the faith that everybody will

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<v Speaker 1>come together eventually, but yeah, it does take a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of time there. So what's next in all of this?

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like the economy is going to suffer greatly

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<v Speaker 1>because of this. You know a lot of sectors are

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<v Speaker 1>closing down and suffering because travel restrictions and all that.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's next? What are you looking forward? The only

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<v Speaker 1>global sort of didaster We kind of have that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of just like this, other than I think more like

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<v Speaker 1>World War two is actually a big local recession. Something

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<v Speaker 1>they spread the crown in the world, like a contagion

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<v Speaker 1>really impacts this changes daily life. Difference here is that

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be incredibly immediate. You're not just talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the unwinding you get during a downturn slow down.

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<v Speaker 1>You're talking about just demand job businesses essentially being vaporized

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<v Speaker 1>over the next few weeks as people stops the new money,

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<v Speaker 1>stopped going, stopping able to do anything. Really, it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to really even prepare for that. I think. Just what

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<v Speaker 1>you're seeing from the Trump administration with the measures they've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about the last day or two, talking about sending

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<v Speaker 1>out checks to Americans is getting people a thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>is a testament of just how extreme that's going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna really need to float people to keep them going.

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<v Speaker 1>And while we're only seeing the beginning of that, that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to really be going hand in glove with the

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<v Speaker 1>speed of the coronavirus itself. You know, this one to

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<v Speaker 1>punch that that's going to be hard to endure, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's very different even then a hundred years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>when you didn't have a global economy that was so

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<v Speaker 1>connected and so quick to get thick. Essentially, when something

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<v Speaker 1>this happens, and I want to read the bottom line

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<v Speaker 1>from your article, it says there's no escaping the public

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<v Speaker 1>pain to come We're just beginning an endurance test that

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<v Speaker 1>has no clear end and not to alarm anybody, because

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<v Speaker 1>the vast majority of cases do experience mild symptoms if

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<v Speaker 1>you have COVID nineteen and all that, but this is serious.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we have to practice all the social distancing

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<v Speaker 1>to help mitigate that spread. And you know, we're looking

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<v Speaker 1>at the health your system in America here people are

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<v Speaker 1>talking about a ventilator shortage that could be coming. This

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<v Speaker 1>is one of those things, as you've been saying, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of how when we operate on the global level like this,

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<v Speaker 1>or when something is affecting us that way, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we can't just necessarily borrow stuff from other countries because

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<v Speaker 1>they're going through just the same exact thing exactly right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is not again like a hurricane where

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<v Speaker 1>you can send aid from the rest of the world,

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the country, tell people out or shelter them.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone's going to need to be looking after their own

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<v Speaker 1>needs while sort of doing their part for the public.

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<v Speaker 1>And I you know, I understand that people it takes

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<v Speaker 1>them time to fully get that because absolutely you're right

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<v Speaker 1>that the vast majority of people will probably not really

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<v Speaker 1>face direct heel threat from this fire. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>can get why it takes time to realize that, but

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<v Speaker 1>it really does require that sort of coming together. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is the endurance test I talked about, because it

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<v Speaker 1>is simply a certain amount of public pain. It's going

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<v Speaker 1>to vary from person to person, but we're all going

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<v Speaker 1>to have to undergo some of it. And that's where

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<v Speaker 1>the test will be of us as a public, us

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<v Speaker 1>as the whole country, really us as a whole world,

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<v Speaker 1>for whether we can endure that, because it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>take a lot of time. You know, we don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how much time. It could be a matter of weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>be a matter of months. I mean some of the

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<v Speaker 1>upper limits go beyond that, which is really hard to contemplate.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's what we have in front of us marathon

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<v Speaker 1>race that doesn't have a clear finish line, and we

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<v Speaker 1>just have to keep running in the meantime. Brian Walsh,

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<v Speaker 1>future correspondent at Axios, Thank you very much for joining us.

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