WEBVTT - The Walking Wounded

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Lokate up Daily with

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<v Speaker 1>Me your Girl Daniel Moody pre recording from the home Bunker, Folks,

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<v Speaker 1>on today's show, I am always happy when I get

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<v Speaker 1>to welcome back our friend or in house doctor, doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Metzil. And Jonathan and I have been doing a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of freestyle conversations, just kind of getting into how

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<v Speaker 1>we're feeling about the current moment and what is unfolding

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<v Speaker 1>and the best ways to move forward. And so as

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<v Speaker 1>I open up today's show, you know, for the last months,

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<v Speaker 1>I have made a commitment to really do some deep

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<v Speaker 1>excavation work on my own wounds, which we all have,

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<v Speaker 1>and getting to a place of healing only comes from

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<v Speaker 1>right recognizing that you have wounds to heal and also

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<v Speaker 1>recognizing where in fact those wounds originate from. Why do

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<v Speaker 1>I say this to you, because as I continue to

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<v Speaker 1>watch and read and consume the devastation, the death, the

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<v Speaker 1>tragedy of injustice that is unfolding in Israel and Palestine,

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<v Speaker 1>the thousands of children that are being slaughtered. Sure that

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<v Speaker 1>just happened to the sole Palestinian American serving in Congress,

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<v Speaker 1>Representative Rashida Tali the twenty two Democrats who turned their

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<v Speaker 1>backs on her and decided to turn off her mic

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<v Speaker 1>to say that she is not worthy of being heard.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been trying to understand the source of so much

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<v Speaker 1>pain in Palestine and in Israel, in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>around the globe, and what I am coming to really

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<v Speaker 1>understand is that we are, in so many ways just

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of walking wounds. We're the walking woond did capitalism, greed, extraction, misogyny, racism.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like death by a million cuts. Capitalism doesn't even

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<v Speaker 1>allow us the time and the space and the focus

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to tend to any of those wounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Because if you stop being productive right, if you take

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<v Speaker 1>a pause, if you try and find the time to

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<v Speaker 1>focus on you, then you're labeled as lazy. You're told

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<v Speaker 1>that you are selfish. We have ingested so many fucking lies,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why people are screaming out right now, nation

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<v Speaker 1>by nation, city by city, town by town. We are

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<v Speaker 1>so wounded and so filled with grief and rage because

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<v Speaker 1>of the persistent and consistent violence, physical, mental, spiritual violence

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<v Speaker 1>that we've been forced to endure and told that that hardship,

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<v Speaker 1>those hardships will they make you stronger, and if you,

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<v Speaker 1>for some reason live at the intersection of multiple marginalized

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<v Speaker 1>groups and you can ascend, well, then that is a

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<v Speaker 1>failure of yours alone, not the system. We have been

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<v Speaker 1>fed so many lies that we believe right now that

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<v Speaker 1>war and death will somehow bring us to a place

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<v Speaker 1>of peace. And what Jonathan and I discussed today, and

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<v Speaker 1>what he ends with saying, is that we need to

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<v Speaker 1>keep having conversations even when they are hard. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that on a global level, as it pertains to nations

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<v Speaker 1>actually speaking. I mean that on a personal level, as

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<v Speaker 1>we come upon a season of Thanksgiving. We're not everyone

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<v Speaker 1>has fun memories. Not everyone's families are welcoming, our loving,

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<v Speaker 1>our tender. I realize now that the more that we

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<v Speaker 1>ignore our individual wounds and the collective pain and trauma

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<v Speaker 1>that we've experienced and continue to experience, the more damage heartbreak, death, destruction, despair,

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<v Speaker 1>and hopelessness we will see. I know that we feel

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<v Speaker 1>hopeless right now. I know that each and every single

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<v Speaker 1>one of us is shedding tears on a regular basis.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we just.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't know what to do. And what I am trying

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<v Speaker 1>to do with my own self care is heal my wounds,

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<v Speaker 1>redirect my energy so that I don't add to the

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<v Speaker 1>pain that is already existing in the world. Because what

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<v Speaker 1>we need is more healed people who can move themselves

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<v Speaker 1>out of marinating in the misery of the current moment

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<v Speaker 1>that we are existing in. Because the thing is, folks,

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<v Speaker 1>that if we do not tend to our own wounds,

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<v Speaker 1>we will never get to a place where we can

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<v Speaker 1>imagine outside of current suffering something different. We've been war

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<v Speaker 1>and violence since the birth of this nation, since the

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<v Speaker 1>birth of this goddamn world. Told that there are necessary

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<v Speaker 1>evils and there is necessary violence. Taking life is never necessary.

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<v Speaker 1>Folks will say, well, what about Hitler? What about this person?

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 1>I would rather we create systems of true and actual

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<v Speaker 1>and needed and necessary reform than just killing people or

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<v Speaker 1>locking them up and throwing away the key, making them

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<v Speaker 1>experience such dehumanization. And then we wonder why recidivism in

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<v Speaker 1>this country is so fucking high. We refuse to teach

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<v Speaker 1>the basics of empathy, of compassion, of justice, of liberation

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<v Speaker 1>for us individually and collectively, and we have to ask ourselves, folks.

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<v Speaker 1>And I posted this on my Instagram, which was a

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<v Speaker 1>video with Angela Davis ask the questions, who benefits from

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<v Speaker 1>our ignorance, who benefits from our pain, who benefits from

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<v Speaker 1>our hopelessness, who benefits from our exhaustion? Because when we

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<v Speaker 1>ask those questions, when we begin to excavate that truth,

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<v Speaker 1>then we really do begin to have our eyes wide

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<v Speaker 1>open and tap into a consciousness level that is necessary

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<v Speaker 1>for through real, deep, sustainable liberation for all people. I

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<v Speaker 1>want us to think bigger, to dream bigger, to have

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<v Speaker 1>a practice of healing ourselves so that we can project

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<v Speaker 1>that healing out into the world because it is so

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<v Speaker 1>desperately needed. Coming up next, my conversation with our friend,

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<v Speaker 1>our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel. Friends, you know

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<v Speaker 1>that whenever I have the opportunity to talk with our

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<v Speaker 1>friend or in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, I am always, always,

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<v Speaker 1>always thrilled. Jonathan. It has been a week since we've spoken.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot, a lot has happened and continues to happen

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<v Speaker 1>and unfold in this country and across the Middle East

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<v Speaker 1>around the globe. I actually would like for change, call

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<v Speaker 1>me crazy, to start with something good today, which is up,

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<v Speaker 1>which is we had by at the time of this recording. Friends,

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<v Speaker 1>we just went through the twenty twenty three election cycle

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<v Speaker 1>that had multiple state races that, as many have said,

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<v Speaker 1>would be a bell weather for twenty twenty four. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you've been listening to me, you know that I

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<v Speaker 1>have been talking about the polls, and they are not

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<v Speaker 1>looking favorable right now for Joe Biden. Polls twelve months

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<v Speaker 1>out are kind of like your horoscope. You look at

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<v Speaker 1>them for some context, but they don't give you everything

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<v Speaker 1>that you need. However, the election with Ohio certifying enshrining abortion,

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky governor resoundedly Democrat winning re election UH first black

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<v Speaker 1>woman mayor, even though folks say that she's problematic. We

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<v Speaker 1>will see UH in Philadelphia. Virginia turned blue in the

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<v Speaker 1>state legislator. I just want to get your reactions, Jonathan,

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, we often we spend a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>time talking about really tough issues, really tough feelings and emotions.

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<v Speaker 1>Get your reactions to how people showed up in Ohio,

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<v Speaker 1>in Kentucky, in Pennsylvania, in Virginia and what you what that?

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<v Speaker 1>What that signals for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Wonderful? Well, let me give you my menu and you

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<v Speaker 2>tell me which one of these things resonate. Because I

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<v Speaker 2>have a number of different thoughts which are I think

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<v Speaker 2>synergistic and I agree with you. It was a great night.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I would say a couple of things. Number one,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, is that the Dobbs decision continues to be

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<v Speaker 2>a total loser for Republicans and supporting people's right to

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<v Speaker 2>make decisions about their bodies about abortion and reproductive rights.

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<v Speaker 2>But also like we've got this new guy Johnson who's

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<v Speaker 2>the Speaker of the House, who's talking about again birth

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<v Speaker 2>control pills and IVF and stuff like that. And so

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<v Speaker 2>number one is I think moving toward just leaning into

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<v Speaker 2>continually the importance of people to have the freedom to

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<v Speaker 2>make decisions about their own intimate bodily decisions is a

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<v Speaker 2>huge winner for Democrats. So number one, I would just say,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what Republicans are thinking, but to continue

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<v Speaker 2>to double down the way you know Youngin did yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>and even in cases of like rape and incest, there

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<v Speaker 2>were that case somewhere where like a ten year old

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<v Speaker 2>kid right was raped and and and so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's just, uh, it's just like it's just it's

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<v Speaker 2>just unbelievable to me that that's the platform where people

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<v Speaker 2>It's just not where people are at right now. And

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<v Speaker 2>so Number one is I just am proud to be

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<v Speaker 2>part of a party that is that is allowing people

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<v Speaker 2>to make that choice and is standing up for I

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<v Speaker 2>think was such a great injustice, which is a right

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<v Speaker 2>that was enshrined and then taken away. I still think

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<v Speaker 2>that that resonates. So that's number one. Number two is

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<v Speaker 2>that ultimately, if you're a Democrat, we have much more

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<v Speaker 2>strength in alliance, we have much more strength in working together.

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<v Speaker 2>We disagree about many fundamental issues, but ultimately we are

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<v Speaker 2>stronger together and we can find, I think hopefully compromise

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<v Speaker 2>positions that work for the majority of people. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that is also a message, is that Democrats are

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<v Speaker 2>better off working together, even though we have so many

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<v Speaker 2>different different agendas under our tent. And actually I'm preparing

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<v Speaker 2>I'm rushing to the airport after we speak to give

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<v Speaker 2>a talk about that point tomorrow as a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 2>because I really do believe that that, especially if you're

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<v Speaker 2>on the side of health, justice and equity and all

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<v Speaker 2>these other issues, that I think we're better off working together,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think that is a point. Number three is

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<v Speaker 2>that we ran really strong candidates. So this is where

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<v Speaker 2>there's a little bit of anxiety is that we wrote

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<v Speaker 2>we ran really strong candidates. I mean, as I've talked

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<v Speaker 2>about a zillion times on this show, Andy Basheer is

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<v Speaker 2>as soon to be national leader. He's truly a leader.

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<v Speaker 2>I've watched his leadership really with admiration. Right, he's the

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<v Speaker 2>state right next to ours. But they're so sporting medicaid

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<v Speaker 2>expansion in red state Kentucky. And what I was saying

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<v Speaker 2>before was that during the worst moments of the pandemic

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<v Speaker 2>and after the murder of George Floyd, Basher was pushing

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<v Speaker 2>legislation in Kentucky that would give health insurance to one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent of black residents in the state, which was

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<v Speaker 2>just an incredibly brave and counterintuitive position at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically saying were looking at health inequity in the face,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're doing is we're going to correct that, not

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<v Speaker 2>just emotionally. We're not going to kneel down with kn't

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<v Speaker 2>take cloths and stuff. We're going to address that structurally, right,

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to actually change some of the structural and bounces.

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<v Speaker 2>So while a lot of people were signaling their support

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<v Speaker 2>for Black Lives Matter and stuff like that, Basher actually

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<v Speaker 2>was trying to write structural, structural inequities and also a

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<v Speaker 2>smart move during the pandemic when you want people to

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<v Speaker 2>have health insurance so that they don't go around spreading

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<v Speaker 2>COVID everywhere. And so in a way, I just think

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<v Speaker 2>the Democrats also really just fielded much stronger candidates, and

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<v Speaker 2>not just more compelling candidates, but centrist candidates that could

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<v Speaker 2>speak to a lot of different people, not radical, extreme candidates.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that to that point, and I always

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<v Speaker 1>love when you bring up the Kentake clock and the kneeling.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like I always want to put I always want

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<v Speaker 1>to put it out of my mind, and you always

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<v Speaker 1>find a way, no, like at least every every six

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<v Speaker 1>months or so, to like remind me that that happened.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, it was a moment. O, God, it

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<v Speaker 1>was a moment. But but I think, I think to

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<v Speaker 1>that point it also is a reminder. And I want

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<v Speaker 1>to bring up something that I saw that Rick Santorum said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know very much Republicans are all about saying the

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<v Speaker 1>quiet parts out loud, which is first that again, Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump continues to be on a losing streak all of

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<v Speaker 1>the candidates that he backs that he holds up lose.

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<v Speaker 1>Rick Santorum said, this is exactly why we can't rely

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<v Speaker 1>on voting right, Like he said in a post on

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<v Speaker 1>the broke Down Twitter platform that he basically is saying

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<v Speaker 1>it is these issues. He said first of all about abortion,

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<v Speaker 1>calling abortion a sexy issue, which was just so far

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<v Speaker 1>out of his mind to say, and then said that

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<v Speaker 1>this is why people shouldn't be allowed to vote, because

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<v Speaker 1>this is what they don't want. Right in Ohio, in

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<v Speaker 1>these places where people are given the opportunity and they

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<v Speaker 1>see very clearly what these people are trying to come

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<v Speaker 1>in to do to their lives and then they make

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<v Speaker 1>the decision to show up and vote, right, Republicans are saying, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't want that, we don't want that because they

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<v Speaker 1>know that there isn't a thing that they are running

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<v Speaker 1>on and offering that the majority of Americans want, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, it's funny thinking about centorium, Like

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<v Speaker 2>what happens to conservative commentators who spent time on liberal networks, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you would think having spent all that time on CNN,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, you know, or like number Meghan Kelly on MSNBC,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you know, they go back and they become like

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<v Speaker 2>they have to prove their chops by being like more radical.

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<v Speaker 1>To the worst of the worst.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So you know, it's it's interesting that we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about him, but I would just say no, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I study guns, right, so there's a lot of models

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<v Speaker 2>for that, right that that gun in gun reform, eighty

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<v Speaker 2>five percent of people support background checks and red flag

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<v Speaker 2>laws and all that stuff. But they figured out a

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<v Speaker 2>way to like make that irrelevant. By I mean, there's

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<v Speaker 2>something very anti democratic that's been going on in a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of these issues for a very long time. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's why, for example, appealing for abortion, it wasn't remember

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<v Speaker 2>and appeal to voters. It was a way to take

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<v Speaker 2>over the courts and the Supreme Court. And so Republicans

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<v Speaker 2>are really good at understanding how power works and then

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<v Speaker 2>appealing to power, not necessarily winning popular opinion. Democrats now

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<v Speaker 2>are pushing back by showing the power of grassroots popular opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>We ain't heard the last of this debate. I'll tell

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<v Speaker 2>you that, you know, twenty four less in some ways

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<v Speaker 2>compelling candidates, unfortunately, I think. But also this debate between

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<v Speaker 2>power and populism is so important in presidential elections because

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<v Speaker 2>You're not just voting for a popular vote, You're voting

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<v Speaker 2>for the electoral college. And so this is just the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning of, I think a very intense cycle for a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of us. And so I of course disagree with

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<v Speaker 2>what terms said, but I also would just say there's

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<v Speaker 2>a method behind it that's going to be more important

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty four than it is now.

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<v Speaker 1>Quick question, last question before you go, and thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for giving us time today, because I know that you're

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<v Speaker 1>in a rush, which is, how are you seeing in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of the polls, in terms of what is happening

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<v Speaker 1>and what is transpiring in the Middle East with Israel

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<v Speaker 1>and Palestine countries beginning to come out and declare that

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<v Speaker 1>they are ending their relationship, they are pausing their relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>and what is picking up on TikTok that I posted

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<v Speaker 1>earlier in the week is this idea, this hashtag genocide

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<v Speaker 1>Joe and this feeling of people saying I'm not voting

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<v Speaker 1>for him, and I match that again with what we

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<v Speaker 1>just saw right take place that Democrats were able to

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<v Speaker 1>do in these right states. What do you think about

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<v Speaker 1>how people are feeling about Joe Biden, the allegiance to Israel,

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<v Speaker 1>and what is taking place in Gaza, and how that

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<v Speaker 1>is going to show up either be the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>gets people to the polls or not.

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<v Speaker 2>I can just give you two anecdotal examples from my

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<v Speaker 2>own life. You know, again, I'm a Jewish American. I've

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<v Speaker 2>spent a lot of time in Israel. I've spent a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of time working on Middle East issues. I have

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<v Speaker 2>spent a lot of time working for Israel Palestine physicians

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<v Speaker 2>for human rights. And I've spent a lot of time

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<v Speaker 2>protesting against the Nitan Yahoo government, which in some ways

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<v Speaker 2>kind of puts Trump to shame in certain ways in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of what it is. But I also believe personally,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just giving my personal answer that I support Israel

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<v Speaker 2>as as a Jewish homeland right, and I've for me

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<v Speaker 2>that has enabled my social justice work. It's enabled the

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<v Speaker 2>work I've done because, as you know, my family escaped

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<v Speaker 2>the Holocaust. The people who didn't were murdered in Europe.

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<v Speaker 2>But the fact that there was a place for them

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<v Speaker 2>to go when everybody turned on them is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>what Israel represents for me, which is what we've talked

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<v Speaker 2>about here, and I stand by that. And I would

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<v Speaker 2>also say, ironically, I'm not exactly answering your question quite yet,

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<v Speaker 2>that I've done a lot of DEI work in Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a lot of what I've learned about social

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<v Speaker 2>justice work is work I've done with colleagues in Israel

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<v Speaker 2>and Palestine working on questions. I was just there last

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<v Speaker 2>year working on a question of medical racism against Spadi communities.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's not like I mean, I think initially

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<v Speaker 2>there was what happened. What's happening is horror, is a horror.

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<v Speaker 2>I've called Nitan Yahoo the pole pod of our generation

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<v Speaker 2>on this show. Does that mean we're going to explode

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<v Speaker 2>everything or that we're going to keep working toward the

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<v Speaker 2>alliances that we've been working toward before. I would just

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<v Speaker 2>say that what happened, the horror of the Hamas crimes

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<v Speaker 2>and then the horror of indiscriminate bombing of civilians has

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<v Speaker 2>been almost too much for us to bear in certain ways. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>I can just say in my life that there was

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<v Speaker 2>a period of walking around in shock. I mean, for me,

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<v Speaker 2>it was is the Holocaust happening again? But also how

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<v Speaker 2>is this situation empowering the very leader who I think

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<v Speaker 2>is horrific in so many ways? And I have a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of students and colleagues who are deeply involved in

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<v Speaker 2>the I don't even think there are two sides for me,

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, I've grad students from Gaza who are

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<v Speaker 2>here at Vanderbilt, and we honestly couldn't talk for the

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<v Speaker 2>first couple of weeks, and some over the past week

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<v Speaker 2>we've started working together and talking and thinking again. I've

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<v Speaker 2>re established my connections with my protest colleagues in the

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<v Speaker 2>Middle East. I'm leaving right now to give a talk

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<v Speaker 2>to the DEI Summit, a major DEI summit, where I'm

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the importance of alliance, and so I'm hoping

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<v Speaker 2>that after really honestly the deep existential PTSD level trauma

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<v Speaker 2>that we've gone through, we can start to think about

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<v Speaker 2>a way out of this that is respectful for multiple positions,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not as extreme. I mean, I know, I understand

0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:41.920
<v Speaker 2>what's happening is so extreme right now, but I would

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<v Speaker 2>just say that it felt like a life or death

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<v Speaker 2>struggle between allies a while ago. And now I'm hopeful,

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<v Speaker 2>at least in the way things stand now, that we

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<v Speaker 2>can take this terrible moment and if it leads to

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<v Speaker 2>a two state solution and out of power and some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of lasting solution. Nothing, nothing, nothing in the world

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<v Speaker 2>makes the death that we've seen on either side worth it.

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<v Speaker 2>This is murder, honestly. But I would just say that

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<v Speaker 2>at least in my life, and hopefully in the talk

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<v Speaker 2>we'll give tomorrow, we can talk about it next week.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think that that this again is another issue

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<v Speaker 2>where we're stronger with alliance, And I would just say

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<v Speaker 2>right now, I mean, right now, who knows what the

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<v Speaker 2>choice will be next year. Right now, the choice is

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<v Speaker 2>between Joe Biden and somebody who potentially is going to

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<v Speaker 2>make this a lot worse for communities of color and

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<v Speaker 2>other people, And so I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>My friend, Jonathan Mepsel, thank you so much, Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much. Good luck at the summit, and I look

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<v Speaker 1>forward to talking to you next week about it and

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<v Speaker 1>hearing how it goes. So I appreciate you always making

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<v Speaker 1>the time for us. That is it for me today,

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<v Speaker 1>dear friends on woke f as always power to the

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<v Speaker 1>people and to all the people. Power, get woke and

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<v Speaker 1>stay woke as fuck.