1 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Bryce Harper and welcome to the Billy Show. 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 2: Hello everybody, welcome as Bryce Harper and said the Philly 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 2: Show with Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd's lucky. We're 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 2: brought to you by the foul Territory Network. How are 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 2: you doing, gentlemen? 6 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 3: We got a new little intro going seek sleek intro. 7 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 4: Dude, tight, sleek tight, a little Billy Penn you know 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 4: visual I like. 9 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're watching on YouTube, we tweaked the intro. 10 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: We tighten it up a little bit because baseball is 11 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: a game of adjustments and we are a baseball show. 12 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: So we just did. 13 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 3: We are known to be open minded to adjustments, Yes. 14 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 4: Yeah we are, But are the right people. 15 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 2: Are the right people that we cover on a daily 16 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 2: data bit daily basis, are they open minded to adjustments? 17 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 4: Uh? Guys. 18 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 2: Dave Dombrowski talked at the ballpark on Tuesday for forty 19 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: five minutes. 20 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 4: It was a long one. It was a long win. 21 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: Rob Thompson then followed he got a contract extension through 22 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. 23 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 4: He talked for twenty five minutes. My head was spinning afterwards. 24 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: Jim Right, I mean Jim's You've written these stories where 25 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: you're sitting there go like, where do I start? How 26 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: do I start writing this story? How do I try 27 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: to sum up everything that happened? And for me, I 28 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 2: think the takeaway was they think that they can still 29 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: win a World Series with this core mostly intact, but 30 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: they're gonna make some adjustments. Don't expect anything super major. 31 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: But I also wouldn't put it past Dave Dombrowski. I mean, 32 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 2: what did you guys take away from from today? 33 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 3: Yeah? I got the feeling, you know, they think they 34 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 3: have a good squad, and they do. They won ninety 35 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 3: five games. Yeah, and you know, they had a bad series. 36 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 3: They didn't have a great second half, but it wasn't 37 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 3: a miserable second half. And then they had a kind 38 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 3: of a miserable week against the Mets and they were bounced. 39 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 3: They didn't play well at a very important time. So 40 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 3: you know, I got the feeling that they liked their core, 41 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 3: but I didn't get the vibe Todd and Ruben. Like 42 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 3: last year, there was this talk about the Phillies are 43 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 3: running it back, and I didn't get that vibe that 44 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 3: they're running it back. I think there is self awareness 45 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 3: in that organization that they do need to make some adjustments. 46 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 3: And Dave Dombroski used the word he's open minded to it, 47 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 3: and I think, you know, having followed this guy really 48 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 3: throughout his whole career, right back right until he was 49 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:41,399 Speaker 3: in Montreal, Florida, Detroit, Boston, now he's not a guy 50 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,119 Speaker 3: who gives away a lot. He kind of keeps things 51 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 3: close to the vest. But you know, you have to 52 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 3: kind of parse his remarks and read between the lines. 53 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 3: And when he says he's open minded, when he says 54 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 3: things like, you know, we're going to look at the offense, 55 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 3: when he says things like sometimes you have to trade 56 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 3: good players for goods, I read between the lines a 57 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 3: little bit and I see an awareness that they need 58 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 3: to make some fixes, fix some of the things that 59 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 3: went wrong for them and led to that early bounce 60 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 3: in October. And I came away thinking that we didn't 61 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 3: get a ton out of that news conference. It wasn't 62 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 3: crazy illuminating, but I came away thinking it's still going 63 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 3: to be a pretty busy winter. 64 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 5: I will tell you this right now, guys, they will 65 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 5: not be running it back. Yes, I think it's great 66 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 5: that the manager's back and yes, I also think that 67 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 5: there was sort of an old school thought process by 68 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 5: Dave Dombrowski. He's giving his manager every opportunity to sink 69 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 5: or swim. He's giving this his play, his coaches back. 70 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 5: He really wants his coaches back. He wants from the 71 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 5: bench coach to the hitting coach to the pitching coach. 72 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 5: He wants all those guys back because he truly believes 73 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 5: that they're great coaches and they will help them get 74 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 5: to the promised lamp. So Dave dombrowskis allowing the manager 75 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 5: to do just that and listen, if he fails, he'll 76 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 5: make a change. 77 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 4: There's no chant, no question about it. I've seen him, 78 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 4: I've seen how he works. I respect the fact that 79 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 4: he's giving him the keys to the car and it's 80 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 4: really up to Topper and his group to run with it. 81 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 4: I love Topper. I think he's a great manager. I 82 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 4: think he's very aware. I think he understands they're foibles. 83 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 4: I think he also understands how to motivate people. There's 84 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 4: a little lot of talk about that. You know, he's 85 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 4: not motivating them properly in all this other business that 86 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 4: they got soft at the second half. And all this. 87 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 3: I don't think it was that. 88 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 4: I think it was more about teams making adjustments on 89 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 4: them and them not adjusting enough. And you have a 90 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 4: lot of veteran guys that have to be open minded 91 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 4: to be able to adjust. Now, I will tell you this, 92 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 4: Dave Dombrowski will make changes with this roster. He's not 93 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 4: going to run this roster back because he knows it 94 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 4: there's some weaknesses there. They knows that he doesn't. He's 95 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 4: got some streaky players, He's got some very dangerous players. 96 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 4: He doesn't have great hitters other than Harper, I think, 97 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 4: and you kind of thought the Turner was going to 98 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 4: be a great hitter. But he's seeing as as we 99 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 4: all have seen that he's kind of a slasher. He 100 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 4: swings out of the zone. He doesn't you know, he 101 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 4: doesn't stay in the strike zone a lot. Uh and 102 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 4: it doesn't walk a lot. So I think that they're 103 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 4: going to try to make some tweaks in the outfield, 104 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 4: whether it's center or left growth. And I do believe 105 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 4: at the end of the day that you may very 106 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 4: well see, you know, a trade where you're trading quality 107 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 4: or quality, and it may have to be at the 108 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 4: big league level, whether it's Casianos or marsh or Stott 109 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 4: or you know, j T or whoever it is, whoever 110 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 4: it might be. And I don't necessarily think that it's 111 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 4: going to be anywhere all of those guys, but it's possible, 112 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 4: and I think Dave Nebrowski's going to keep an open 113 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 4: mind because there needs to be a little bit of 114 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 4: a cosmic shift on how they handle when it's time 115 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 4: for them to do the right thing offensively, they're gonna 116 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 4: have to make an adjustment to do that. And they 117 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 4: can't have any they can't have nothing but streaky type 118 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 4: players who can hit the ball out of the ballpark. 119 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 4: They have to have people who can pass the baton 120 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 4: and move that line up and turn it over and 121 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 4: grind out at bats, which they did not do well. 122 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 4: And they also have to address that bullpen. I mean, listen, 123 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 4: there's you know, two guys in the back end of 124 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 4: that bullpen at Stevas and Hoffman are gone. They're free agents, 125 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 4: and you know it's a matter of whether or not, 126 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 4: you know, he wants to really put put some you know, whatever, 127 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 4: you know, assets he has into bringing a knockdown closer 128 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 4: or to at least revamp that bullpen, and boy, it's 129 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 4: a crap shoot if you don't have that lockdown closer. 130 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 4: And I'd like to see them make a move for somebody, 131 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 4: you know, somebody like you know, the kid from Saint Louis, 132 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 4: somebody like the Devin Williams. I mean, I have a 133 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 4: problem with that. Give that guy the baseball in the ninth. 134 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 4: Let life be a little bit easier for Topper and 135 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 4: then work from the back to the front. 136 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 2: He Dave mentioned the outfield little bit. Ruben you met 137 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: said left field, center field, maybe so, he said right 138 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 2: now again. Potential trades on the horizon, he said, Cassy, 139 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 2: Allamson's and marsh He can see them kind of being 140 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 2: in pieces. He is not sure about A's and what 141 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 2: we're going to do there. Johan Rojas, he's going to 142 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 2: have to come into camp trying to compete for a 143 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 2: job this spring. 144 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 4: He said the same thing last last offseason. 145 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: Is he's going to spend all of the way all 146 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 2: off season working in Clearwater on his offensive game. He 147 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: mentioned Justin Crawford by name, says, I don't think he's 148 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: going to compete for a job coming out of the camp, 149 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 2: but I do think he can he is coming along 150 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 2: fast and he can compete or he could push for 151 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,239 Speaker 2: a job at some point this season. So it sounds 152 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 2: like left field, centerfield right now going into the off 153 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: season are two areas that they're going to look to 154 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: maybe fortify or look at differently. And if they do that, yeah, 155 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: maybe Marsh is available and maybe they trade Marsh to 156 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 2: do something. Uh you know, Drubbin the last episode, I 157 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 2: think it was you mentioned Alex Bregman, he plays third base. 158 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: I know they said a lot of positive things about 159 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: Alec Bohm today, but maybe they look to trade Alec Bohm. 160 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: He's still got two years of team controlled. Teams love 161 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 2: players the team control. So there's a lot of different 162 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 2: things they can think they can do to get creative 163 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 2: to make some improvements to this roster. 164 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 4: No oh, I agree, Yeah, no question about it. Jim. 165 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 3: What do you think, Well, yeah, I think they're gonna 166 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 3: need to be creative. They're gonna have to be open 167 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 3: minded to possibly eating some salary. But I do see 168 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 3: you know, GM's they when they when they grow up 169 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 3: dreaming of dreaming of being gms, they grow up dreaming 170 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 3: of making trades and remaking teams via trades. Right, rubin 171 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 3: no doubt, and I think. 172 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 4: I love trade. I would trade my mom if I 173 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 4: had to. 174 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes your team better. 175 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 4: Dark yep, even my brother, you know, the whole nine yards. 176 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 4: Maybe my kids stay. 177 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 3: I'd be open to trading anybody. I don't mean to 178 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 3: get too narrow viewed here, but boy, I hope they 179 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 3: don't make a hasty call on Alec Baum unless they're 180 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 3: getting real value back, really good player, because I know 181 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 3: he had a tough stretch there in the final six weeks, 182 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 3: but the hand was something I think you have to consider, 183 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 3: and I think he was very frustrated. I think he's 184 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 3: still a young guy, still maturing, and I think there's 185 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 3: a lot there. I think he's a good player, and 186 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 3: I would I unless you're getting something really good back. 187 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 3: I'm open minded to it. But I hope they don't 188 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 3: make a hasty decision on Alec Boum because I think 189 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 3: he's a good player who's still getting better. 190 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 2: And if you listen to what Dave and Rob said today, Jim, 191 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 2: they talked a lot about going gap the gap and 192 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 2: hitting the ball up the middle and watching what the 193 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 2: Mets did in the first game of the NLCS or 194 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 2: second game of the NLCS all their hits around up 195 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 2: the middle. 196 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 4: Alc Baum's one of. 197 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 2: The guys that can consistently do that go gap the gap. 198 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 2: So if you're gonna put your money where your mouth is, 199 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: it would seem to be that you're gonna maybe keep 200 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 2: want to have Alec Bouma in that lineup next season. 201 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, no question about it. But he has He's probably 202 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 4: the guy with the best I mean, he's the biggest 203 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 4: asset they would have. And you're right, Jim, I mean, 204 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 4: if they're gonna make a move on a guy like that, 205 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 4: they better really improve in a couple of different other areas, 206 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 4: whether it's a lockdown closer, or you need somebody in 207 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 4: left field, Like shoot, I don't know, I can't even 208 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 4: you know, I can't even think of somebody right now 209 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 4: who's like an everyday left fielder who's gonna, you know, 210 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 4: be a grinder, you know, really good at bad every time. 211 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 4: You know, I don't know, I'm thinking Roll of Banyez 212 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 4: or somebody like that. You know, a player like that 213 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 4: who's gonna who's gonna give you a different sort of 214 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 4: look out there. Uh, it better be a really productive 215 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 4: bat and somebody under control, because control means a lot 216 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 4: and and a guy like Alec Bouma has a ton 217 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 4: of value he doesn't. There's no no trade clauses. He's 218 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 4: wide open to be moved. Same thing with a guy 219 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 4: like Stott, Same thing with a lot of guys. And 220 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 4: so I just do think that Dave Dombrowski is going 221 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 4: to keep an open mind. I am sure that he's 222 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 4: on the board right now in the meetings where they're 223 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 4: gonna have some meetings next week at some point where 224 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 4: they're gonna get on the board and it's not line 225 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 4: up all the guys. All these players are arbitration eligible 226 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 4: and possible possibly be moved, line up all those guys 227 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 4: in our free agents and then just talk about them 228 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 4: at nauseum. 229 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 6: The the analytics guys, the scouting guys, they're all gonna 230 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 6: get together and they're gonna line up these guys much 231 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 6: that they do in a in a draft, and they're 232 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 6: gonna try to figure out who to target, how they 233 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 6: can target it. 234 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 4: Whether there's a two way trade, a three way trade, 235 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 4: there's you know, some some way, somehow to shake up 236 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 4: the lineup to make it a little bit deeper, and 237 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 4: and and if not, then you have to pound guys 238 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 4: like marsh and stop because they have to become better players. 239 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 4: Because if they're not going to make changes, then they 240 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 4: better make changes within themselves, and those guys have to 241 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 4: step forward. I was super disappointed that they didn't take 242 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 4: better leaps forward, both those guys, because they could be 243 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 4: those guys, but right now they have not proven to 244 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 4: be able to take that step leap forward. 245 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 3: Now, can it happen? 246 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 4: I think it can, But I think it's important that 247 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 4: even if they don't make those moves, they got to 248 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 4: make it. They got to. They certainly have to improve 249 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 4: and we will be right back. 250 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 7: We're looking for real ways to boost our nutrition and 251 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 7: just found a protein shake that actually tastes amazing. 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They talked a 276 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 3: lot about it in the in spring training. A lot 277 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 3: of that fell on Kevin Long's plate today. One of 278 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 3: the themes was use the whole field. Like you mentioned Todd, 279 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 3: it seemed to be directed a lot at Turner, maybe 280 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 3: Stott as well, but a lot about grinding out of 281 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 3: bats using the whole field. Thompson I thought maybe at 282 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 3: the point he thinks if you use the whole field, 283 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 3: you're gonna stay on the ball longer, and that could 284 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 3: lead to less chase, which I agree with. It's just 285 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 3: it's just tough to change hitters when it's ingrained, when 286 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 3: they're pull happy, when they're chase happy or prone to chasing. 287 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 3: But a lot of this is gonna fall again on 288 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 3: Kevin Long's plate and his staff with the early exit 289 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 3: and some of the inconsistency on offense this year. You know, 290 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 3: I thought a guy like Kevin Long his position could 291 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 3: be under review. I'm sure they talked about it, but 292 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 3: you know he's back, and you know it's it's he's 293 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 3: got a lot on his plate. Like I said, were 294 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 3: you guys surprised that they there wasn't an accounting somewhere 295 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 3: on the coaching staff. I was a little surprised that nothing. 296 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 2: There were no changes made for sure, And you know, 297 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 2: Rob of course defended, you know, the job that Kevin 298 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 2: Long has done, says what did he say? Jimmy said, 299 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 2: if you pulled every coach in the big leagues, he 300 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 2: would be in the top five of every one, you know, 301 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 2: best hitting coach list, maybe number one on several of 302 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 2: those lists, you know. I so it did surprise me 303 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 2: that there wasn't some change somewhere. But I think again, 304 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 2: I think that that tells you how much onus that 305 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 2: they're putting on the players. But you bick up a 306 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 2: good point, because I feel like every off season, gms 307 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 2: and managers they go in saying, you know, we're gonna 308 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 2: work on this guy, and we're gonna we're gonna work 309 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: on putting the ball in play, and Jim, you say 310 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 2: it too all the time. It's part of their DNA, 311 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: some of this swing and miss, and so I won 312 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 2: I almost feel like they're going in the off season 313 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 2: saying the same things, maybe that they went into the 314 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 2: last offseason saying like, we're gonna work on this and 315 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: putting the ball and play more swinging and missing lesson 316 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 2: is it possible? But then I maybe not. But then again, 317 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 2: I look at Kyle Schwarber, for example. He's actually somebody 318 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 2: who went into the offseason with the plan of reducing 319 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 2: his strikeouts and not being so pull happy, and he 320 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 2: raises batting average by fifty points. He sacrificed some power, 321 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 2: but I think everybody would agree he was a more 322 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 2: productive player this season. So maybe there's a lesson there 323 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 2: for Trey Turner and some of these other players in 324 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 2: the lineup, where hey, if the big bopper guy over here, 325 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 2: you know, can hit the ball, the oppos a feel 326 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 2: a little bit more, but maybe cut down his strikeouts, 327 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 2: maybe put the ball and play the more. Maybe I 328 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 2: can do that too. 329 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 4: I don't think. I think you make a good point. 330 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 4: It's not the easiest thing in the world to do. 331 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 4: But guys can change. Guys can change if they really 332 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 4: if they really believe that they should do that for 333 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 4: the betterment of the team, if they are really I 334 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 4: mean Michael Jack Schmidt made a very, very big change 335 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 4: in his overall approach as a hitter. Literally ten years 336 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 4: into or twelve years into his career, he decided, oh, 337 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 4: you know what, I don't want to strike out as 338 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 4: much and I'm going to make an adjustment. Ozzie Smith 339 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 4: made huge adjustments with his swing. O War Viscuale huge 340 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 4: adjustments made himself a quality, you know, offensive player. These 341 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 4: guys made adjustments. It can be done. It's not easy, 342 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 4: but you have to be You have to both feet 343 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 4: in man. You have to put yourself in a position 344 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 4: to say, you know what, I got to get better, 345 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 4: and I know that I can be a better player 346 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 4: and more complete player if I really put my mind 347 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 4: to it and make the effort to do so. I mean, 348 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 4: look at a guy like Sean Mni perfect example, Sean Man. 349 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 4: I saw Chris Sayle in the middle of the season 350 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 4: throw and have be effective with his arm angle and 351 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 4: the way he delivered and a difficult team he put 352 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 4: on both right anders and left handers with his arm angle. 353 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 4: He changed it in the middle of the season. Is 354 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 4: a extremely difficult to do. You start thinking about some 355 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 4: of the guys that have Who wasn't the picture from 356 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 4: the White Sox, who's now with the Boston Red Sox, 357 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 4: who's gotten hurt, he went to a totally different armstroke. 358 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 4: The starter begins with a G I believe anyway he uh, 359 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 4: Giolito did the same, did the same thing, he made 360 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 4: it a complete change in his delivery. Those are Charlie 361 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 4: Morton when he murder and watched Royale day, same thing there. 362 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 4: So there's a lot of examples to do that, for 363 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 4: guys to do that, but you really have to be 364 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 4: you know, you have to say, I mean, you got 365 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 4: to take a really good look in the mirror. That's 366 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 4: a tough thing to do when you're making you know, 367 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 4: ten to fifty million dollars a year and say, you 368 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 4: know what, I got to get better at this. Lots 369 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 4: of kudos, lots of kudos to Kyle Swarburg for doing 370 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 4: just that. 371 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 3: These hitting coaches have a very, very difficult job because 372 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 3: when you're in the batter's box and the adrenaline is 373 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 3: flowing and the pressure is on, and there was a 374 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 3: lot of pressure on this team we talked about before. 375 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 3: I think they were smothered by in some ways smothered 376 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,719 Speaker 3: by expectations. But when you are in the batter's box 377 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,199 Speaker 3: facing ninety six with movement on the black, you're going 378 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 3: to revert back to the ways you were and the 379 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 3: best hitting coach in the world is not going to 380 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 3: be able to change you. So I mean, I'm not 381 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 3: suggesting I think Kevin Long is a good hitting coach. 382 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 3: I agreed with Rob Thompson. My point on Kevin Long is, 383 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 3: I just know how the game works, right, take pay roll, 384 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 3: high expectations, consistent problem. Somebody pays the price, and it 385 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 3: often the guy oversees that area. So I was just 386 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 3: wondering if we were surprised he's back. In a lot 387 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 3: of ways, I'm glad he gets another shot because I 388 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 3: put it more on the players than I put on 389 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 3: the coach. 390 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 4: No, I totally agree with everything he said, Jim and 391 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 4: I listen, I've made changes. I'm going to make change 392 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 4: in the middle of the season with Milt Thompson. I 393 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 4: didn't want to do that. I love mil Thompson. I 394 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 4: also think he's a very good hitting coach. Sometimes a 395 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 4: message just needs to be heard differently, you know, whatever reason. Now, 396 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 4: I also think Kevin Long is a very popular coach. 397 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 4: Love the players love him. But it's a production business, 398 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 4: and so if you're not producing, you're right. I mean, 399 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 4: they banged both of their assistance last year. They sort 400 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 4: of took the scapegoat fall for for whatever happened one 401 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 4: season ago. So I'm a little surprised that there was 402 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 4: not a change, maybe a little bit. But again, I 403 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 4: don't disagree with you. I mean, if you have a 404 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 4: good hitting coach, man, it's sometimes it's it's on the players. 405 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 4: Illnesses on the players to make sure that they they 406 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 4: make the adjustments that are necessary. And I think one 407 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 4: they're hoping that will happen. And two, I think that 408 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 4: they're gonna bring some other people in there that maybe 409 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 4: can help create that a little bit of a different dynamic. 410 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 2: But will it be the big guy? And that's the 411 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 2: question here. 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We have about as many stars 423 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 2: as anyone in baseball. Would we be open to it 424 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 2: to it, yes, but I think you have to be 425 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 2: careful because sometimes it's not only the star players, it's 426 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 2: the supporting cast. 427 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 3: Did he just. 428 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 4: Throw cold water on woman? 429 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 2: So, guys, everybody wants want Soda to be hitting in 430 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 2: the middle of the Phillies lineup next season or leading off. 431 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 2: Sure doesn't sound like it's in the cards. And we've 432 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 2: said this before the last couple of weeks. I don't 433 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 2: know how it fits. The Phillies were at the second 434 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 2: luxury tax threshold last year. They didn't want to cross 435 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 2: a third because I think when you cross ad the 436 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 2: penalty obviously is immense. Uh you know, your your top 437 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 2: draft pick drops ten spots. It's just it's a crazy, 438 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 2: crazy penalty and for a lot of reasons. But is 439 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 2: that how you guys took it? Is that is that 440 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 2: the I'm not gonna say Juan Soto, but uh, don't 441 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 2: get don't get any one sodo jersey's made for Christmas 442 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 2: and anticipation. 443 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 3: Of the move. That is the way I took it. 444 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 4: Okay, And you know he did not use. 445 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 3: Juan Soto's name. But when he talked about star players, 446 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 3: you know, I think it was your question, Todd, great question. 447 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 3: When you brought up star players and he talked about 448 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 3: star players, My mind only went one place, and. 449 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 4: So did the entire Philadelphia you know, Delaware Valley, tri 450 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 4: state area, whatever you want to call it. 451 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 3: And with you know, with two three hundred million dollar 452 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 3: players already, one who signed for nine more years, one 453 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 3: who signed for seven more years. And as you mentioned 454 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 3: that tax, and you know the draft penalties, and this 455 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 3: is a team that has had some better drafts, but 456 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 3: they need to continue to build or augment through the draft. 457 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 3: I think it's a big concern. I just don't feel 458 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 3: it's happening. I think they'll be in it because I 459 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 3: think they owe it to their fans and themselves to 460 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 3: at least take the temperature of what it's going to 461 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 3: take to get them. See if he has this huge 462 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 3: love affair with Philadelphia and this is the only place 463 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,479 Speaker 3: he wants to be, just you know, to kind of 464 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 3: and also maybe run some interference for your competitors. But 465 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 3: I just don't see it happening. I think it's a 466 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 3: New York San Francisco thing. One are the two New 467 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 3: York's or San Francisco, And I mentioned they have two 468 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 3: three hundred million dollars players already. This is probably gonna 469 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 3: be a five hundred. 470 00:23:55,240 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 4: Million dollars right, So I'll go conspiracy theory. Okay, So 471 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 4: we talked about Kevin. 472 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 3: Long not going anywhere. 473 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 4: You know who Kevin Long's best money is. It's Juan Soto. 474 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 4: He He and Juan Soto watched Max Scherzer and they 475 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 4: put his uniform on right behind home plate during the 476 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 4: LA Dodgers in during the World Series a couple of 477 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 4: years back, or NLCS or whatever it was, they happen 478 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 4: to be in the stands together watching him. Anyway, I'm 479 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 4: just I'm just, you know, tossing that BS out there. 480 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 4: I will also say this, did anybody think we were 481 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 4: going to get Cliff Leeback anyway? So so listen, I 482 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 4: don't think it's going to happen. I really don't. I 483 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 4: do think that it's very important for them to change 484 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 4: the mix a little bit with a different different players 485 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 4: supporting players that can give them, you know, a Placido 486 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 4: Polanco type, a you know, somebody who can move, you know, 487 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 4: give you some depth and quality at bats, someone who 488 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 4: actually is a veteran guy who I don't know, maybe 489 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 4: some other guy, maybe another veteran, will watch this guy, 490 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 4: you know, play the game the right way. I mean, 491 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 4: I'm not talking about a guy like Hanley Ramirez necessary 492 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 4: or not. Hanley Ramirez, Jose Ramirez necessarily who plays the 493 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 4: game better than anybody, plays it right all the time, 494 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 4: as a tremendous leader, that type of player. I don't 495 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 4: think they're going to get that type of play that 496 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 4: that ilk, but someone who you know, who plays the 497 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 4: game the way you're supposed to play it, and maybe 498 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 4: that'll help run off rub off on other guys. 499 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 3: You mentioned supporting cast, and that was I think the 500 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 3: exact phrase that Dave Debraski you sometimes the supporting cast. 501 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 4: Matters, So. 502 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 3: You know, maybe maybe it's a couple around the edge tweaks. 503 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 3: But I do get the feel that they definitely want 504 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 3: to change the mix in some way, shape or format. 505 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 3: And when I talk about change the mix, Rob Thompson 506 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 3: offered that they're going to look at that lineup and 507 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 3: maybe make some changes in the lineup, and you might 508 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 3: not see Kyle Schwarber leading off. And I know Thompson's 509 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 3: a fan of Schwarber leading off, thinks he's done a 510 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 3: great job. Schwarber likes leading off. But they're at least 511 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 3: going to evaluate it in their open minded seeing if 512 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 3: they change the lineup, putting Schwarber in a spot maybe 513 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 3: where he can offer more protection to someone else in 514 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 3: the lineup. And now that would mean that Bryson Stott's 515 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 3: going to really have to change his approach, because I 516 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 3: would think he's gonna have to grind at bats and 517 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 3: become the kind of the candidate to lead off, or 518 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 3: they're gonna have to bring in someone from the outside 519 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 3: to fill that top of the order. But you know, 520 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 3: when we talk about, you know, tweaks and changing the mix, 521 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 3: it could be more even micro. It could be in 522 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 3: the lineup. 523 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 4: That that would be What about you? 524 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 2: You wouldn't have You wouldn't consider traying the leadoff spot. 525 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 4: Only I would if he decided that he needed a 526 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 4: bear down and think about getting on base rather than 527 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 4: driving the ball out of the ballpark. 528 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 2: How about something crazy? How about hitting bryce lead offers? 529 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 4: How about you don't have to go far north to 530 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 4: find out what happened to that New York Mets line 531 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 4: up Once Frankie Lindor went into the one hole, regular 532 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 4: door went into the one hole after being in a 533 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 4: three hole for a long time, and he was terrible. 534 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 4: He's bad. He went into that leadoff he went into 535 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 4: that leadoff hole, and it changed. It changed the whole 536 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 4: dynamic of the team. I mean, the man, I don't 537 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 4: know whether he just made it a concerted effort just 538 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 4: to side that. You know, I'm gonna take pitches, I'm 539 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 4: gonna work counts, I'm gonna do whatever I need to do. 540 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 4: Can Turner do it? Can Harper be that guy? Can 541 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,239 Speaker 4: Stop be the guy? I don't know. 542 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 3: It might force Stot to change his approach. It might 543 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 3: become a better, more productive offensive player. I think he's 544 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 3: smart enough to say, Okay, I have to do things 545 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 3: differently in this hole. My team is relying on me. 546 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 3: Maybe maybe you're getting a better version of stock if 547 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,479 Speaker 3: if you're doing that, I just think Treys and I 548 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 3: know Trey. It's got so many impressive ingredients. But the 549 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 3: free swinging would maybe be would give me pause. 550 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 4: It would give me pause too. But maybe it gives 551 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 4: him a mind shift. Maybe they say to him, Hey, 552 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 4: we're gonna leave you a shortstop. We're gonna leave you 553 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 4: where you need to be. We want you to be productive, 554 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 4: but hey, it's time for you to be a leadoff 555 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 4: guy and steal some bags and do the things that 556 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 4: we signed you to do. Right. 557 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you keep him at two, you break up 558 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 3: and stops your leadoff guy, You break up the two lefties. 559 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 3: I don't know. It could be somebody from outside. It's great, 560 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 3: great stuff to kind of just gnaw you know, how 561 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 3: about you? 562 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 4: How about you go Turner and then Bryce Harper one two, 563 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 4: Bryce likes three. Yah, well maybe he's maybe. 564 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 3: Open to it. 565 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 2: The only thing, Yeah, I mean, you just don't want 566 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 2: Schwarber hitting too far down the line. If I would 567 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 2: not want him hitting anything lower than fourth. But you know, 568 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 2: if you have Harper and Stot up there, then you 569 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 2: almost have to drop somebody down into the five hole. 570 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 4: I just I just want. 571 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 2: Schwarber hitting as high as possible, top four, top four spots. 572 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 4: Harper's not any chances to drive the ball out of 573 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 4: the yard. Yeah, yeah. 574 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 2: And I mean if Harper, you know, he he all 575 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 2: he needs to look at Kyle's RBI total this year 576 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 2: and say, oh, if I hit first, I could still not. 577 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 3: Get a hundred runs. 578 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 2: I mean, as possible. There's plenty of RBI oppers unit 579 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 2: he's hitting first. Probably he'd probably hit some dingers too 580 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 2: in the leadoff first inning as well a couple of other things. 581 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 3: I'm one of those people. I hear everybody screaming about 582 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 3: Schore we're leading off. I'm good with it. I'm good 583 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 3: with I am too. He hits sixteen runs and they 584 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 3: won fourteen of those. 585 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 4: Games, right game, that's pretty good. I'm good with it too, 586 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 4: but you never know, it might change some other dynamics. 587 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 3: Rob brought it off, so they are clearly evaluating everything 588 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 3: and that's good. 589 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 2: A couple of other things before we wrap up here 590 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 2: is one is our next episode. We're going to take 591 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 2: after everything that Dobrowski said today, after everything that Rob 592 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 2: Thompson said, after everything that we said to it. If you 593 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 2: have any more questions about this Phillies offseason, we'll send 594 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 2: out a tweet post him on YouTube and the comments section. 595 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 2: We'll get to him later this week answer your questions. 596 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 2: But a couple of things. Number five Starter Dave talked 597 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 2: about that as a kind of a trade deadline regret. 598 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 2: Maybe you know I Jim, you know you reported or 599 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 2: Garrett Crochet was somebody that made they took a run 600 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 2: at and obviously didn't didn't get him. But he said 601 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 2: that was kind of a regret. At the time, they 602 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 2: thought that Taiwan Walker was going to be obviously a 603 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 2: little bit better than he was. They thought Spencer Turnable 604 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 2: is going to come back. They liked what they saw 605 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 2: from Tyler Phillips, and all of that completely fell apart. 606 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 2: Now he said, Tywon Walker is going to come to 607 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 2: camp and compete for a job. I will believe it 608 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 2: when I see it. If he's in camp. There's still 609 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 2: a lot of time to go in the off season. 610 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 2: But what do you guys think about the number five 611 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 2: spot and the importance and who do you who do 612 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 2: you try to get? Do you try to sign like 613 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 2: two Spencer Turnbull type guys? Do you do you the 614 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 2: idea of bringing Taiwan Walker into camp? Is that just 615 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 2: a distraction? Is it just a waste of time? Is 616 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 2: is it possible that this offseason training routine is could 617 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 2: possibly get him back on track. 618 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,239 Speaker 4: I'm very skeptical of it. 619 00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 3: Personally me too, I'm skeptical of it, but he's owed 620 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 3: an awful lot of money. I guess they want to 621 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 3: take a look at him and see what he looks like. 622 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 3: But I think it could be a potential side show. 623 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 3: And I have my doubts that with that O dometer 624 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 3: reading and at his age, if he can get it back. 625 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 3: But I guess, you know, it doesn't really hurt to 626 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 3: take a look at him. But you know, I'm a 627 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 3: little surprised. I thought maybe they'd, you know, part ways 628 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 3: with him, But I think you've got to throw a 629 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 3: whole bunch of stuff at the wall, bring in a 630 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 3: lot of candidates, have to get some depth and see 631 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 3: if he can get that number five guy. And you know, 632 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 3: you keep your fingers crossed that one through four are 633 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 3: good and healthy for a good long time. And then 634 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 3: a kid named Andrew Painter arrives. But you know you 635 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 3: mentioned Crochet. I don't think obviously they weren't looking at 636 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 3: him to come in and be a number number five starter, right. 637 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 3: I don't know if they'll make another run at him 638 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 3: this winter, certainly be interesting. He's an awfully good one. 639 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 3: But I think that was one of those opportunity things 640 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 3: that you know he was out there, but you know, 641 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 3: if they had known Phillips was gonna kind of not 642 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 3: not keep up what he was doing, and Walker was 643 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 3: not gonna rebound, and Turnbull was not going to get back, 644 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 3: so he sounds like they might have prioritized more of 645 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 3: a kind of a typical number five starter at the break. 646 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 3: I thought I thought Dombroski was accountable. He was just 647 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 3: pointed that Hayes got hurt out of the gate and 648 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 3: it didn't work out, and then he got sick, and 649 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 3: he had a reason for not going after a number five, 650 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 3: starting type depth picture. It just you know, you like 651 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 3: trades at the moment they happened. Sometimes things just don't 652 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 3: work it out. 653 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, Rubert, real quick rubin following up on tailand Walker, 654 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 2: it makes me think of Adam Meat and obviously a 655 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 2: lot of different lot different money owed. But you guys 656 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 2: in nine, you really I just looked this up. You 657 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 2: guys least at a meeting on February twenty seventh, so 658 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 2: you can you have lend any insight on what the 659 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 2: thought process was of bringing him into camp. And then 660 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 2: February twenty seventh, I don't even know if games started yet, right. 661 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,879 Speaker 3: They did. They did because we were driving to Sarasota. 662 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 3: We all got in the car and drove to Sarasota 663 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,839 Speaker 3: for a game, and they released out of me and 664 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 3: we were like, huh, why didn't they release someone ten 665 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 3: minutes ago when before we all got in the car 666 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 3: and started driving down to Baltimore. 667 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 4: We did that on purpose, just to piss you guys up. 668 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 4: You know, basically, that's what we actually those are the 669 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 4: things that we try to do, is we were trying 670 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 4: to piss off the media as much as possible. 671 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 3: Thank you. 672 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,760 Speaker 4: No, it must have been a reason. I can't remember, 673 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 4: but I will tell you that we probably gathered and 674 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 4: met about the fact that, I mean, the ball just 675 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 4: probably wasn't coming out of his hand. Okay, you know 676 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 4: it was early, but I mean it was obvious that, 677 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 4: you know, we were going to just take a different direction. 678 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,479 Speaker 4: And I think it was took some convincing probably from 679 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,479 Speaker 4: Pat Gillick to David Montgomery and the crew to say, Okay, 680 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 4: we're gonna eat this money. We did the same thing 681 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 4: with Jeff Jenkins, you know later on. I mean so, 682 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 4: and it wasn't easy. It's not easy to part with that. 683 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 4: I will I will throw the Taiwan Walker situation into 684 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 4: this category. You never never know, You never know, you 685 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 4: never know. Maybe I could come back and like if 686 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 4: they do some things with him, I don't know, there's 687 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,800 Speaker 4: a whole bunch of different, you know, medical things that 688 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 4: he might be able to do to strengthen himself, to 689 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 4: get his arm speed back. He didn't have a lot 690 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 4: of arm speed. He wasn't creating a lot of separation 691 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 4: between his fastball and his and his split. Perhaps they 692 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 4: can get something out of the guy. And I think 693 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 4: that they're going to try to do whatever they possibly can, mechanically, medically, 694 00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,800 Speaker 4: whatever it takes to see if they can get something 695 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 4: of the guy, so at least he he can compete 696 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 4: at a different level. 697 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe they just bring him in and go was. 698 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 3: Was that Tony Montana making a guess? Parents? 699 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 4: You never know, you never. 700 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 2: Maybe they just bring him in and see how they 701 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 2: see how he comes, you know, that first first week 702 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 2: of camp, first two weeks of camp, and if he's 703 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,439 Speaker 2: thrown ninety ninety one and the split has no action 704 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 2: to it, they just go, all right, peace out. You know, 705 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 2: we gave it a shot, we put you in the 706 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 2: off season program. 707 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 4: But you're right, I guess you get what what do 708 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 4: you have to lose? 709 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're already you're already paying the dude. 710 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 4: You're paying him. He's getting his glue, So why not 711 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 4: try to get as much at him as you possibly can. 712 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 4: He's not a I don't think he's a distraction. I 713 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,359 Speaker 4: really don't. I think he's not I don't think he's 714 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 4: a bad guy. I think he's going to try to 715 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 4: get You know, he was there on the top step 716 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 4: step trying to, you know, cheer his team on when 717 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,399 Speaker 4: he knew it wasn't going to be contributing at all. 718 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, and after game after Game four of the nld AS, 719 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 2: he was huddling the corner talking with Wheeler and Nolas. 720 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 2: So it's not like, yeah, it's not like he's persona 721 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 2: non groad in that clubhouse, right. 722 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 4: No, No, no, he's not. He's not a zero yeah yeah. 723 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, so so maybe you maybe you bring him in. 724 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 2: So there's a lot of a lot of it will 725 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,359 Speaker 2: be an interesting, fascinating off season just because of all 726 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 2: of this. You know, World Series expectations have not gone away. 727 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 2: They don't have the money necessarily to go out and 728 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 2: get a Wan Soto or a three hundred million another 729 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 2: three hundred million dollar player. So Dave Dombrowski, Sam full 730 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 2: to the front office are really going to have to get 731 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 2: super creative and what they do, and Rob Thompson and 732 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 2: the coaching staff are going to really have to drill 733 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 2: it into these players' heads to make the adjustments that 734 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,359 Speaker 2: they need so next October, if they get there, they 735 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 2: can take the steps that they need to win a 736 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 2: World Series. So we'll have plenty to talk about this 737 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 2: winner for sure, and we'll be doing at least two 738 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 2: shows a week, so. 739 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 4: Can't wait, can't wait. After We've got some guests coming 740 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 4: up too. 741 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 3: Man, We're gonna slide some in. 742 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, good ones, We'll slide some in. Never right know, 743 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 4: you never know, you never know, guys. 744 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 2: We'll be back later this week, and remember send it. 745 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 2: We'll send out a tweet. Send us your Phillies questions. 746 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 2: If you're watching us on YouTube, post some questions in 747 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 2: the comments section. We'll try to get to many as 748 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 2: we can. 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