Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
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Speaker 1: back Man, season two of All the Smoke. We got
Speaker 1: a real special, guys. What's up with your brodyach with
Speaker 1: the virtual handshake? I'm gonna tell you that I never
Speaker 1: told him back. I want to All the Smoke. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to another episode of All the Smoke. I'm frustrating
Speaker 1: and now I can't even lie to you. To me
Speaker 1: an hour to get my ship set up, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be I'm just letting you know now I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: smoking this episode almost through my computer. But we're back Jack.
Speaker 1: What's happing out there in Atlanta? Bro? You good? Hey?
Speaker 1: My boy's the crazy day earlier started off with me
Speaker 1: now you but look, we made it and it's the episode.
Speaker 1: Somebody we've been wanting on our show must the episode,
Speaker 1: So go ahead introduce my little bro man Man. Welcome
Speaker 1: to the Show Man, one of the hottest voices in
Speaker 1: sports right now, uh NBA champion and our brother Kendrick Perkins.
Speaker 1: Bro Welcome to the showy Man. Look, I'm so motherfucking
Speaker 1: happy to be on here with some real motherfucker's before
Speaker 1: before we even get started. Man, I gotta tell y'all, boy,
Speaker 1: you motherfucker's it's something serious. You hit me. You motherfucker's
Speaker 1: doing big things. No real talk, real talking, man, because
Speaker 1: look what y'all did in this year span all the
Speaker 1: accolades and ship. Man. I applaud that ship I watched
Speaker 1: from a distance. Y'all don't even realize you two guys
Speaker 1: is the reason that I even got into the media,
Speaker 1: because y'all bought that authentacy, that real ship, while I
Speaker 1: was like, hold on, all right, if stat who raised
Speaker 1: me since about the age of fourteen, If he don't
Speaker 1: here and he's speaking that real ship. Hell a country
Speaker 1: boy from both my tax Texas slash PA Texas because
Speaker 1: my wife from p A. I was actually born at
Speaker 1: p A. I was just adopted in both. Mate, I said,
Speaker 1: I can go on this motherfucking speak, this old country
Speaker 1: broken English too, funk. I ain't trying to look up Look,
Speaker 1: I ain't even I ain't trying to look up no
Speaker 1: words in the cyclopede. You ain't trying to do nothing
Speaker 1: that if I, if I, if I started, if I started,
Speaker 1: motherfucking you understand what I'm talking about. Man, it's like
Speaker 1: Eagles classes motherucking basketball talked much, right. I mean, with
Speaker 1: with everything you just said, coming from where you came from,
Speaker 1: the route you took, did you ever think you would
Speaker 1: be one of the strongest voices in the basketball community
Speaker 1: right now? I mean you're you're right at the top
Speaker 1: of the game. You're on every single ESPN show. I'm
Speaker 1: sure they're giving you some good bread. Did you ever
Speaker 1: think this was possible now now? To be honest, man,
Speaker 1: I actually got into this media ship man because you know,
Speaker 1: I wasn't ready to retire, right and I was forced
Speaker 1: to retire. So it's almost something like what's next. I
Speaker 1: always kind of wanted to jump into the coaching. I
Speaker 1: actually wanted to be the next coach that was a
Speaker 1: big man, the next head coach that was a big
Speaker 1: that played in the game, because I feel like, man,
Speaker 1: get looked at as like we dinosaur of brains or
Speaker 1: somethingh it, Like, we know the game just as much
Speaker 1: as anybody else. So I wanted to be a head coach.
Speaker 1: So ithing like, how can I do that. Let me
Speaker 1: get on on on TV and just speak basketball, you know,
Speaker 1: get my voice out there, and let me go to
Speaker 1: the combined coach, maybe I take these baby steps. Turned out,
Speaker 1: I started liking this media ship, and I'm like, hold on,
Speaker 1: I get to come on here. I get to come
Speaker 1: on here and talk shit. You know I'm gonna watch
Speaker 1: basketball anyway, Stack and tell you that, man, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: blue in front of the TV twining folks. Seven. The
Speaker 1: only thing my wife would divorced me of is because
Speaker 1: I'm married to the game, right, So I'm gonna watch
Speaker 1: that real talk, real talk. That's the only that's the
Speaker 1: only beef she had with a motherfucker. Goddamn, you got
Speaker 1: basketball on this motherfucker. You watch your basketball the funk like.
Speaker 1: But it's all good. So what happened was, man, my
Speaker 1: first year I worked for free. I didn't I didn't
Speaker 1: get paid for not a single show I was doing, Fox, ESPN,
Speaker 1: all those networks. The only thing that they paid for
Speaker 1: was my travel and my hotel. And I just did it, man,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, ship, I'm here right now.
Speaker 1: So I just try to go on there be myself.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be nobody else. I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to be perfect. We'll get back, we'll get what. We'll
Speaker 1: talk more about that. But obviously a tumultionalist. Um, what
Speaker 1: were some of the things you took from it? Obviously
Speaker 1: you know Kobe's passing was just over a year ago. Uh. Man,
Speaker 1: the riots, the uh the pandemic, the president change. It's
Speaker 1: been one thing after another. What are some things you've
Speaker 1: taken from uh to help shape your focus and moving forward? Man? Well,
Speaker 1: the one thing I learned is to to make sure
Speaker 1: that you value real relationships. You value your loved ones,
Speaker 1: and and and y'all know this ship, it just be
Speaker 1: certain times I just hit y'all, send y'all text Hey man,
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about y'all. I sent this to Jack
Speaker 1: all the time. And I know he be busy because
Speaker 1: I'll be watching it, traveling, touching all these communities, and
Speaker 1: he'll tell you, what's the one thing I always say, Hey,
Speaker 1: big bro, I ain't one ship. I'm hitting you up
Speaker 1: to tell you, man that I'm praying for you because
Speaker 1: I know a lot of motherfucker's who stood on the
Speaker 1: front line like you doing, like Martin, Luther, King, Malcolm Mix,
Speaker 1: all these greats that was fighting for the things that
Speaker 1: was right. They lost their lives. So with Jack Ben
Speaker 1: my brother, that's all I'd be wanting him to know,
Speaker 1: is that hey, big perk over here. Man. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: praying every single day just to make sure you're safe.
Speaker 1: I and I and I appreciate that I get thought
Speaker 1: and he ain't lying. Man. I remember, I definitely remember
Speaker 1: when I first went down in Minnesota and uh, he
Speaker 1: had text me once or twice and I couldn't get
Speaker 1: back to him. And then I remember he called me
Speaker 1: and I was able to answer the phone and I
Speaker 1: had to televise. But I've been getting your text you know,
Speaker 1: I've been on the mode. But that's one person, along
Speaker 1: with Matten and several other people that I can say.
Speaker 1: He's one person that I always checked up on me
Speaker 1: during this whole time. Man. And to have support from
Speaker 1: your little brothers, you know, guys, you can sell your
Speaker 1: little brothers who you raise. It mean a lot because
Speaker 1: they know if it makes me feel like I'm doing
Speaker 1: something right. Absolutely definitely. Thoughts on the NBA support and
Speaker 1: social justice issues. What's your thoughts on how the NBA
Speaker 1: support them? May you know what, I actually I actually
Speaker 1: love it, especially how a lot of these guys standing
Speaker 1: on the front line man like to me, the NBA
Speaker 1: is in great hands. When you look at this younger generation,
Speaker 1: guys like Kylerie, guys like Jalen Brown, Matin Brockden, like,
Speaker 1: you know, these motherfucker's out here standing on the front line. Light,
Speaker 1: these motherfucker's before the time man, And I applaud this
Speaker 1: ship man because it takes a lot for them to
Speaker 1: do it, and it shows the maturity level. Also, you
Speaker 1: see guys like Lebron James, who's doing them more than
Speaker 1: the vote, Kevin Durant who's donating money. You know, it's
Speaker 1: easy for guys like us that's retired to do whatever
Speaker 1: we do and try to make a difference. But to
Speaker 1: see the younger generation, the current players who don't have
Speaker 1: to do this ship who's right now hooping and that
Speaker 1: that really man standing on the front line, it's a
Speaker 1: beautiful thing to see it. What is your thoughts on
Speaker 1: kind of the wave of coronavirus and how it's hitting
Speaker 1: teams and you know that there's been a lot of postponements.
Speaker 1: Do you think we're gonna be able to get through
Speaker 1: the season at the rate we're going? Yeah? I feel
Speaker 1: like we are. Um, I feel like the way that
Speaker 1: they're going about it sometimes you're gonna have to have
Speaker 1: games postponed. Hell, whether I'd rather than be postponed and
Speaker 1: counsel right, So you know, you you we knew this
Speaker 1: coming into the season. It wasn't gonna be perfect, but
Speaker 1: everybody's safety is first. But I love it because if
Speaker 1: it's contact trades, then they have to, you know, postpone
Speaker 1: games that they don't have enough players. But I will
Speaker 1: say this, what the NBA can do a better job
Speaker 1: at is get more players on the roster, like right now,
Speaker 1: go go hide events, Go hire some of these guys
Speaker 1: like there, Thomas, you know these guys that that are
Speaker 1: I tell Swaggy p and fill up these rosters. You
Speaker 1: might have to have twenty to twenty two players, but
Speaker 1: at least you can have enough that you don't have
Speaker 1: to be postponed games because you don't have enough bodies
Speaker 1: in the jerseys. That's a great point. I like that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a great point. How did I know it's a challenge,
Speaker 1: you know, the beginning season with all these games being missed.
Speaker 1: So tell me, tell me how do you feel about that?
Speaker 1: You know we're covering with some of these recover from
Speaker 1: some of these games, and what are you excited about
Speaker 1: that you've seen at the beginning of this season so far. Well,
Speaker 1: what the first question is is that I feel like
Speaker 1: Adam Silver Man, to me, is the best commissioner in
Speaker 1: fucking sports. All right. When he took over, I watched
Speaker 1: the game change for at one point said, motherfucker's was
Speaker 1: having to dress up in suits and all that may.
Speaker 1: He came and changed the game. Man, he started letting
Speaker 1: players beat him. Set else. Hell, if you want to
Speaker 1: come in here and swag up, do what you do, well,
Speaker 1: whatever outfit you feel like doing. A matter of fact, hell,
Speaker 1: then b a now got a damn fashion week at
Speaker 1: what all start break or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1: So I love that Adam silver The other thing I
Speaker 1: love is that you know what he liked this hill man,
Speaker 1: We're going through a pandemic. Right. The one thing and
Speaker 1: I saw you tweet this, Jack, you and Matt, I
Speaker 1: mean put it on the ground, was that you said,
Speaker 1: you know what Adam Silver said, Man, we ain't drug
Speaker 1: testing for marijuana. And rightfully so, Man, motherfucker's going through
Speaker 1: a pandemic. You having to go through all this ship
Speaker 1: You stand in the hotel room, can't leave the motherfucker
Speaker 1: might want to file that loud. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying that loud. You know, whatever they're smoking, whether it's
Speaker 1: the Skittles, the the O G cush, the motherfucker. You know,
Speaker 1: I like the fun. I like the funk with the
Speaker 1: per let them do what they do. So I when
Speaker 1: I look at Adam silver When I look at Adam
Speaker 1: silver Man, I'm like, you know, this is the first
Speaker 1: time that I've ever seen the Players Association and the
Speaker 1: NBA work hand in hand. Like he's not just saying
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this this way. He's listening to Michelle Roberts,
Speaker 1: Chris Paul, Paul George and they're coming together. Hey, it's quick.
Speaker 1: Since we're talking about that, tell me the quick story
Speaker 1: while you stopped smoking. Oh, Ship Zack, So look, you
Speaker 1: know me, goddamnit, man, Ship, You know what the motherfucker
Speaker 1: with the motherfucker loud. They're fired up. You know I
Speaker 1: want the purpose right long as you're passing it. Don't
Speaker 1: pass me nowhere. Blood, We're cool, right, so hold on,
Speaker 1: so so Ship the motherfucker. Uh So, I'm smoking a
Speaker 1: loud doing what I do right, So I'm doing the
Speaker 1: free the free of me doing TV. So I gonna
Speaker 1: undispute it now. Mind, I tell you I smoked the
Speaker 1: night before, but I mean Cali, you know the calaween
Speaker 1: here a little different. So I the motherfucker man. Look,
Speaker 1: I hit the motherfucking loud man and man ship. I
Speaker 1: went on un dispute it with Skipp and Shannon and
Speaker 1: right then I'm still kind of blow The next morning
Speaker 1: and I forgot every motherfucking thing I was gonna safe.
Speaker 1: And I said, I said, you know what, I said,
Speaker 1: you know what, let me chill right now because I'm
Speaker 1: trying to start my new career. Because look, some people,
Speaker 1: some people can smoke loud and focus. I'm not one
Speaker 1: of them. Those dog you know that put me over
Speaker 1: the edge. So I said, man, you know what, let
Speaker 1: me take let me take a break from this. Man,
Speaker 1: let me really lock in. But you know, hey, look
Speaker 1: to every motherfucker out there who we are smoking loud,
Speaker 1: smoking fog. One for me, I'm just one that can't
Speaker 1: handle it and go on TV and talk about it
Speaker 1: the next morning because I still be blown. You gotta
Speaker 1: know yourself. That's the most important part of yourself, YEA yourself,
Speaker 1: which which which which young talent in the league is
Speaker 1: impressing you right now? Oh look it's I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: lot right now. A lot of guys are putting up
Speaker 1: big numbers. But I'm gonna tell you something. I'm hound
Speaker 1: the bigs. You know, I'm a big man, So I
Speaker 1: got a soft spot because they were saying the big
Speaker 1: man generation was kind of washed out. So you know
Speaker 1: the way Joe l and b and uh Big Yokich
Speaker 1: and even Clint Capella, the way that they're putting up numbers.
Speaker 1: Now I applaud that. But you know who's my young
Speaker 1: stud because I feel like he gets overlooked every single year.
Speaker 1: Should have been an All Star. Is Jalen Brown? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like right now, right now, he's
Speaker 1: killing and and look I get it, Jason Tatum. Is
Speaker 1: that that motherfucking Ferrari in the garage when you walking,
Speaker 1: theres tended up? He got the rims on there. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Everything it's looking good. It's that
Speaker 1: sports car. But jay Len Brown is that if three
Speaker 1: fifty you know what I'm saying, when you can make
Speaker 1: it into a motherfucking hotshot truck, put that trade on there.
Speaker 1: And he's carrying them blows across country every goddamn date
Speaker 1: and yeah, and getting the job done. So so that's
Speaker 1: why funk with j B Man. He get overlooked. I
Speaker 1: thought he should have been an All Star last year,
Speaker 1: but he has improved. You look at his offensive package
Speaker 1: and you're watch him. It's nothing that he can't do offensively.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, nah, this is that motherfucker. And then
Speaker 1: Danny Age, let me tell you how bad if the
Speaker 1: motherfucker he is. Danny hain't had an offer to actually
Speaker 1: trade for Jay Lebron. He turned that ship down for
Speaker 1: James Harden. That tells you how much value he got. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that says a lot right there. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1: Thoughts on Brooklyn. Obviously, it's gonna take a while for
Speaker 1: them to gel um one thing I think they really
Speaker 1: need to try to address as a defensive end. But
Speaker 1: that offensive end they're gonna have, they're gonna be able
Speaker 1: to pick their poison. I got some things to add
Speaker 1: on that, but I really want to hear your take
Speaker 1: on Brooklyn right now because they're one of those teams
Speaker 1: that you know, early season were favored to come out
Speaker 1: of the East. They've hit some stumbles but I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna be just fine. No, No, I agree. Look,
Speaker 1: they probably have the most offensive problem that we didn't
Speaker 1: seen in league history on one team. When you look
Speaker 1: at Kevin Durant, one of the best scores to touch
Speaker 1: the ball, James Harden one of the most prolific scores,
Speaker 1: Kyle Read one of the most skilled motherfucker's to touch
Speaker 1: the ball offensively, they gonna put up a hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty points. The problem is on the defensive end. Man,
Speaker 1: you gotta get stocked. And what I what I'm watching
Speaker 1: is the thing that that bothered me was I said this, Now,
Speaker 1: I get it. You had to give up some ship
Speaker 1: to get James back. But Jared Allen was a huge
Speaker 1: lost in my opinion, And there's no knock on DeAndre
Speaker 1: Jordan's but I feel like he's getting to that time
Speaker 1: where he's more of a backup center. Hell, I had
Speaker 1: to go through it with Steven Adams. Steven Adams was
Speaker 1: just better than me. You know, at that time, towards
Speaker 1: the end of my career. I didn't have no problem
Speaker 1: with coming in, but he have to beat me at
Speaker 1: practice to show me that ship first. I didn't just
Speaker 1: give in. He gave me that work. So but that
Speaker 1: then the yeah. So so at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at them and it's like, yeah, man, the
Speaker 1: defensive problem. But I can't make that excuse for them
Speaker 1: because when you form together a two time champion and
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, a one time champion, and Kyrie Irvan who
Speaker 1: hadn't been the four finals or three finals, and then
Speaker 1: you put James Harden on there, who has also been
Speaker 1: to the finals, and you got Jeff Green, this is
Speaker 1: not a young ball club. Like defense is a mindset.
Speaker 1: You can have your schemes out there, but motherfucker, you
Speaker 1: gotta want to lock up. And I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: like you motherfuckers say what they want. But when every
Speaker 1: Big Three or whenever team was assembled, they locked in defensively.
Speaker 1: Just like the Golden State Warriors, they locked in. People
Speaker 1: can say what they want to buy Stelf, but it
Speaker 1: was times that Steff actually took on the fucking challenge.
Speaker 1: Golden State was top five in every category every time
Speaker 1: they won or even went to the Father's So it's
Speaker 1: a mental, mental thing. And these motherfucker's not young man.
Speaker 1: They oh so they know better. They know they're going
Speaker 1: there and know what this go take? Who is who
Speaker 1: is teaching defense in Boklyn say, I heard it was
Speaker 1: Jock Vaughan. But at the end of the day, it's
Speaker 1: all about effort, Like we gotta see motherfucker's You gotta
Speaker 1: see motherfucker's getting up, getting over the screen and getting
Speaker 1: to a motherfucking body, and we gotta see a motherfucker
Speaker 1: on the heip side willing to take a charge of
Speaker 1: rotating early. You know, prime example when y'all was in
Speaker 1: Golden State and y'all beat Dallas. Motherucker talked about what
Speaker 1: you did offensively, but y'all had motherfucking Dirk and a
Speaker 1: motherfucking straight jacket sending multiple bodies at them, rotating on time.
Speaker 1: Y'all was committed to the motherfucking defensive end. And then
Speaker 1: it didn't have ship to do with schemes. It was
Speaker 1: just your mentality, like, motherfucker, you got me fucked up.
Speaker 1: I'm a lock up. Yeah yeah, Well, I mean I
Speaker 1: think a perfect example of that is the Lakers. The
Speaker 1: Lakers and the number one defensive efficiency team in the league,
Speaker 1: and they're not young. I was talking about this earlier.
Speaker 1: They don't have that one lock up defender guy really
Speaker 1: on the wing. KCP is in that mold, but not.
Speaker 1: They're just a smart veteran team that talks. They fly around,
Speaker 1: they cover for each other, they rotate, and they do
Speaker 1: what they have to do. They're understanding how important defenses
Speaker 1: is before you can get out and run. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're always taking the ball out the rim, it's
Speaker 1: hard to get in transition, you know. I mean, so
Speaker 1: that's the one thing I will say. Katie plays defense.
Speaker 1: I think Katie, because he's so good offensively, his defense
Speaker 1: gets overshadow. But Katie locks in man the man great
Speaker 1: help side uh blocker. But like I said, it's just
Speaker 1: the energy and the mentality they need to come with.
Speaker 1: And I think they'll start to get that because you're
Speaker 1: not gonna get you know, having to score a hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty hundred forty every night gets tiring. Oh, they
Speaker 1: have the firepower that gets tiring. At some point you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to really start locking in and locking up.
Speaker 1: I think both l A teams have got off the
Speaker 1: good starts. UH thoughts on each of them start with
Speaker 1: the first and I think Paul George has played really well.
Speaker 1: Right now. I think it's at the fifty ninety has
Speaker 1: a lot of proof, so I think he's off to
Speaker 1: a good start. You know what. It's sad because the
Speaker 1: media and everybody don't give the Clippers they props because
Speaker 1: of what they did last year and that they didn't
Speaker 1: meet the expectations. And that's fucked up because they're balling
Speaker 1: right now. They're clicking on all sellers. They're playing the
Speaker 1: gender free basketball defensively, they're locked in, and Paul George
Speaker 1: said it on all the smoke. Motherfucker's gonna pay and
Speaker 1: he's backing that ship up. Motherfucker's say whatever they want
Speaker 1: about Paul George. He spoke about that ship and he's
Speaker 1: doing that ship on the court. Kauai is being Kauai.
Speaker 1: But I love what the others are finally bringing to
Speaker 1: the table offensively. Pat Bell knocking down threes. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell y'all who's an on song. He wrote to me,
Speaker 1: Nicholas Batun. He don't get enough credit, but he does
Speaker 1: everything that he needs to do in that offense. You
Speaker 1: see him the nine in the wings. You see I'm
Speaker 1: shooting passing lanes, taking charges, and he's knocking down those
Speaker 1: corner threes when need be and Marcus Morris has accepted
Speaker 1: his role as coming in as a motherfucking's six man,
Speaker 1: and that's what you want. So I'm looking at them.
Speaker 1: The chemistry is there. They gotta get their flowers like
Speaker 1: you gotta leave last year at last year like these
Speaker 1: motherfucker's is good. But they but people, I feel you
Speaker 1: as a player, I understand that people. But people want
Speaker 1: to see it in the playoffs, playing and simple now
Speaker 1: they do. That's what everyone wants to see, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, so I agree with everything you say because
Speaker 1: obviously I'm a player and I know the process and
Speaker 1: how hard it is to get on the same page.
Speaker 1: You can see their chemistry is a lot better now.
Speaker 1: Ty louis fitting in, Tyler is putting people in position
Speaker 1: where they feel like they could be most successful. So
Speaker 1: it's happening. But at the end of the day, because
Speaker 1: I've been on those Clipper teams, you know, when we're
Speaker 1: blown these fucking leads, We've had a lot of potential.
Speaker 1: We look good in the regular season, but the regular
Speaker 1: season is only gonna get you so far. Once they
Speaker 1: start doing it in the playoffs, I think it's when
Speaker 1: the world will start. Because we just live in a
Speaker 1: certain day and age. Now we all know that, so
Speaker 1: you gotta see it in the playoffs. Uh, thoughts on Lakers?
Speaker 1: Lakers are kind to me. I think they're kind of
Speaker 1: in cruised control right now. They have a great understanding.
Speaker 1: They know what they need to do. They know this
Speaker 1: is a marathon. What are your thoughts on them? Man?
Speaker 1: The motherfucker's is on the mission, man, But you could
Speaker 1: tell they enjoyed one another. They got a combaraderie. That's
Speaker 1: that that you could just see from the outside looking in.
Speaker 1: But when you look at it, yeah, man, but when
Speaker 1: you look at that ship, it starts at the head
Speaker 1: of the snake. Right now, Lebron James is right number one,
Speaker 1: defensively and defending people. Guess who's sitting there number three,
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis. So they set the tone from the jump,
Speaker 1: not on the offensive end, but on the defensive end.
Speaker 1: Like Motherfucker's we bought in on the defensive end. Offensively,
Speaker 1: we gotta enough. So you see, you adda Montres Harold
Speaker 1: who motherfucker's don't give enough credit to that finished top
Speaker 1: ten last year and reprotection top ten. They're taking charges.
Speaker 1: You add marcusol who who don't still have the athleticism really,
Speaker 1: I mean, funk, I don't know if he really handed
Speaker 1: at all, but you know what I mean. But he's
Speaker 1: still but one of the smartest players. He's smart smart.
Speaker 1: And then and then you got KCP who's not only
Speaker 1: shooting fifty four percent from the three, but he's committed
Speaker 1: on the defensive end. And then then you add then
Speaker 1: it's the minutes. This motherfucker ain't backing down from nobody
Speaker 1: picking you up, old school ninety four ft. He's getting
Speaker 1: up over screens. He's being the fucking piss. But you
Speaker 1: know what, that motherfucking Taylor hardened Tucker. I don't know
Speaker 1: why you don't get motherfucking more minutes, because hey, this
Speaker 1: motherfucker and Ben Hill before man that ship he said
Speaker 1: in the preseason that ain't just a flute, like that's
Speaker 1: something he's really about that yeah, he could play. Now.
Speaker 1: I love what they're doing. And when I said crucial cold,
Speaker 1: not in a bad way. And looks just looks like
Speaker 1: they figured the game out. They understand what is. They
Speaker 1: know it starts on the defensive end, and they have
Speaker 1: enough offensive firepower to get the job done. So that's
Speaker 1: what I mean by that that's out of an old school,
Speaker 1: new school reff right. Now, just recently you saw a
Speaker 1: shot question Donovan Mitchell on whether he was the number
Speaker 1: one option to be able to get a team to
Speaker 1: the finals. You saw what Karl Malone said about Zion
Speaker 1: having to get in shape and play more minutes. Charles
Speaker 1: Barkley is always saying some crazy ship, and I think
Speaker 1: the players are tired of it. You know, so we
Speaker 1: were the players at one time, when we're freshly on
Speaker 1: the other side. Now, what do you think about what's
Speaker 1: going on between this old school new school ship? Man?
Speaker 1: This this is I feel all right. You're talking to
Speaker 1: guy that was on shack in the food damn that
Speaker 1: every week. Here I think I got. I think I
Speaker 1: got two motherfucking m vps and shocking the fool. Right.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, guess what, my
Speaker 1: kids still laugh at me about this ship. I don't
Speaker 1: give a fuck. Even when I was playing, I was
Speaker 1: not sensitive to that ship. Man. You know why, because
Speaker 1: when you signed up for the NBA, you signed up
Speaker 1: for the fortune and the motherfucking fame. Whether it's good
Speaker 1: or bad, you signed up for the fortune in the fame.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. That that I don't like is like, Okay,
Speaker 1: sometimes you may not agree with Charles is saying that.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you may not agree with Shaq said. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, Bro, I was making the
Speaker 1: most I ever made was ten million dollars a year.
Speaker 1: I'd be damn if I gave a funk with somebody
Speaker 1: had to say with me about me. I was still
Speaker 1: going to bed with the A C on sixty and
Speaker 1: the fan blowing in my face. I just I just
Speaker 1: don't understand how, how, how now like why these guys
Speaker 1: so sensitive to motherfucker's talking about basketball. That's why I knew, Hey,
Speaker 1: look a motherfucker knew not to bless me as a
Speaker 1: franchise player. Give me a hundred and twenty million and
Speaker 1: a two hundred million dollar shoe contract. Man. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: give a damn what the motherfucker was saying about be
Speaker 1: saying about me, like it's basketball, man, you signed up
Speaker 1: for this ship. But on the flip side, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at it and I'm like, like addressing the Donovan Mitchell
Speaker 1: situation right with Shaq. People were so quick to jump
Speaker 1: on Shock, but I I looked at the whole interview,
Speaker 1: and shock started off saying, you're one of my favorite players.
Speaker 1: And when he started off saying that, I said, okay,
Speaker 1: And then he asked them he said, I feel like
Speaker 1: you can't get it done, or you can't you're not
Speaker 1: the one to get them over the top. And I
Speaker 1: said it on purpose. To me, that was just challenging
Speaker 1: him to see what was what was gonna because y'all
Speaker 1: knows it's how we rolled. We would have been like,
Speaker 1: Shack man ship, what we're gonna show your motherfucking ask
Speaker 1: watch what we do. We getting back in the lab,
Speaker 1: but we're gonna prove a motherfucker wrong. I think he
Speaker 1: was just trying to challenge Donovan to the point of saying,
Speaker 1: now I'm an elevating show you. That's all Shack was doing,
Speaker 1: and people took it all the way to the level
Speaker 1: the man said, you're my favorite player. Now I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you. What I don't like is that, like for example,
Speaker 1: with him with Shock, with the incident with Rudy Gobert,
Speaker 1: right like he's saying, how Rudy got two hundred two
Speaker 1: hundred million, that's Jack's favorite player. Before we get going
Speaker 1: that's ahead. Look I don't like that, not Look but
Speaker 1: he's not He's not mine either, But he did make
Speaker 1: I think he made the All NBA. He did qualify
Speaker 1: for the super Max One. Thing I came now but
Speaker 1: not is I want every motherfucking player to get it
Speaker 1: as much dollars as they possibly can, because although it's
Speaker 1: entertainment to the rest of the world, it's a jog
Speaker 1: to the players, and the first thing is to get
Speaker 1: your motherucking lettuce. So I don't know what that's just
Speaker 1: how it always yeah, man, So that's that's the only
Speaker 1: thing I don't be feeling when they'd be saying, you
Speaker 1: know how this motherfucker got hundred million now, like now,
Speaker 1: let these motherfucker's get their bread. That's the only thing
Speaker 1: I'll be on other than that motherfucker's need to quit
Speaker 1: being sensitive, like how hate would be sensitive to me
Speaker 1: on some of the things that I was saying, calling
Speaker 1: me a sellout and all that ship. I'm like, bro,
Speaker 1: we're talking motherfucking basketball. And the last thing that I
Speaker 1: am as a motherfucking sellout and part of me, part
Speaker 1: of me, the Southeast Texas Phone nine and me is
Speaker 1: when I went on TV that day, it happened to
Speaker 1: be June Tea I really wanted to address Katie like
Speaker 1: the numbers on the house, but I had to remember
Speaker 1: what it what what what it was. I had to
Speaker 1: remember what it was. Man, it was June Tea and
Speaker 1: I and I really felt that way, like Katie, Man,
Speaker 1: stop playing man, me and you made me and you
Speaker 1: in the hotel room were big kicking it Stack. He
Speaker 1: came down to the phone nine. Well, we're in the background.
Speaker 1: You you brought it to my mama house. We're in
Speaker 1: the back of Miss Junie house. Yeah, in the phone nine. Man,
Speaker 1: we're in the back. We're in the back of the
Speaker 1: crib player playing Boutrey Man and big kicking this wagon. White.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, like, don't do that to me,
Speaker 1: the like don't do that to me. So then it's
Speaker 1: like the other issue, you know, where he thought I
Speaker 1: was disrespecting him by saying that Russell Westbrook was the
Speaker 1: greatest of all time for as it for this for
Speaker 1: as the greatest Thunder. Now, this is what I was
Speaker 1: trying to explain to KD. Just because you're the greatest
Speaker 1: player doesn't mean that you're the best player to ever
Speaker 1: put on the Thunder uniform. And a prime example Kauai Leonard,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, was the best player to put on
Speaker 1: the Raptor uniform, but he's not the greatest Raptor of
Speaker 1: all time. I would say Kyle Lowry. Some people may
Speaker 1: all the argue events, but if you look at the accolades,
Speaker 1: they match up and Kyle Larry might be better. Okay, cool, Katie,
Speaker 1: you left that door open when you chose to go
Speaker 1: to Golden State. You took the praise when you won,
Speaker 1: would go to State. You gotta be able to take
Speaker 1: the heat when you left. Okay, See, they don't love
Speaker 1: you like they love Russ. And a lot of people
Speaker 1: agree to that. Russ leaves that team and every statistical category.
Speaker 1: And when I said it on that day, I was
Speaker 1: actually saying that because Russ was returning back to Okay See,
Speaker 1: and I said, look, roll the red clumping out for him.
Speaker 1: He's the greatest thund up all time in my opinion.
Speaker 1: He stood there, he embraced the moment, and he capitalized
Speaker 1: on I like I, I hear where you're coming from.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I've also heard as a
Speaker 1: retired player, some real bullshit sad from people. So my
Speaker 1: whole thing is Carl and Karmenlon. I didn't hear the
Speaker 1: full car Malone interview, but that the little snippet I
Speaker 1: heard it was some bullshit to me. So I'm all
Speaker 1: for to me the back and forth now because the
Speaker 1: players have the platform too. Obviously, keep in mind we
Speaker 1: have to understand just like you said, we signed up
Speaker 1: for this. But still at the same time that I
Speaker 1: look at as we're man first and foremost, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So I don't I don't take well
Speaker 1: to just straight disrespect, and I feel like sometimes some
Speaker 1: of the even R O G o G s have
Speaker 1: disrespected some of the players. So if you want to
Speaker 1: get something off your chest, like Draymond and Chuck had
Speaker 1: to get that ship off their chest and now they're great,
Speaker 1: Like now they say they're great free like you from
Speaker 1: what I've heard from you know, the T and T talk,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I hear like they
Speaker 1: have a real they have a real bond on the
Speaker 1: show type ship, Like there's a good energy, is what
Speaker 1: I meant to say. So I mean, to me, get
Speaker 1: that ship off your chest because I kind of think
Speaker 1: it'll always be there. Some of it is jealousy from
Speaker 1: the older players because because of what they did. These
Speaker 1: kids are getting paid so much, so much money. I mean,
Speaker 1: to all due respect, I'm with Rudy Gobert getting two
Speaker 1: getting paid, but he shouldn't have been I'm saying that,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying he shouldn't have been the first big
Speaker 1: man to get two hundred. Man, you can't even throw
Speaker 1: him the ball at the end of the game and
Speaker 1: get up. But you know, I mean someone like someone
Speaker 1: like Elijah One. You know, someone like in b Joker,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like Gobert. Don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: it's a great defensive anchor. I'm not taking nothing. Get
Speaker 1: your money. But I understand where Shaq was coming from
Speaker 1: because Shack would have killed Gobert every day, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So I some of that ship is like, man,
Speaker 1: this nig is weak type ship. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: the game is changing, and because of what these dudes
Speaker 1: have done, these younger players are eating off for so
Speaker 1: I see that there's some frustration from some of the
Speaker 1: older dudes because of how hard they worked and these
Speaker 1: guys reaping the benefit. But that's what you really wanted.
Speaker 1: Then the day you want to make it better than
Speaker 1: when you you know, leave it better than when you
Speaker 1: was there. So, like I said, I get that back
Speaker 1: and forth, but to me, just get this off your chest.
Speaker 1: You've got something to say, say that if a commentator
Speaker 1: comes at you crazy, I have no problem with the
Speaker 1: player firing back. And I don't like when people say,
Speaker 1: like I said, some players are sensitive, but I feel
Speaker 1: some players like I don't like people to say like, well,
Speaker 1: you got all this money, you shouldn't fight like nah,
Speaker 1: Like I said first and Formo, I'm a man, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So if you're gonna disrespect me,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna defend my honor. And I've I've always been
Speaker 1: that way with coaches, commentators whoever. Like if I'll take
Speaker 1: the criticism, I'll take the heat, but if you disrespect me,
Speaker 1: I feel like I have we have a real problem.
Speaker 1: Well and I look mad. He Let's let me say this,
Speaker 1: per I think too like a lot of people, just
Speaker 1: like you said the younger player, younger players are reaping
Speaker 1: the benefits of the older as and and some of
Speaker 1: the stuff we've done with what we're doing now on TV,
Speaker 1: we're reaping the benefits of some of the stuff that
Speaker 1: was laid for us our previous players that first started
Speaker 1: on TV. Look a wed took it to so you
Speaker 1: gotta evolved, you know, we all evolved and we all
Speaker 1: growing man. And and like you said, Matt, one thing
Speaker 1: about our show that separates us. We're able to have
Speaker 1: our guests over here disagreed, but respect stage. The respect
Speaker 1: remains that all times. And I think and I think
Speaker 1: that the older, the older guy, especially guys older than us,
Speaker 1: it's a way to relate things without sounding like hating.
Speaker 1: But nine ten times, the way they're coming across you
Speaker 1: just sound like hating. To me. No, no, no, I
Speaker 1: can second that, and it sound it sounds like it
Speaker 1: sounds bitter. I'm just saying I'm not agreeing with a
Speaker 1: lot of ship that they're saying. All I'm saying is
Speaker 1: me personally. I just like certain ships that that they
Speaker 1: talked about, like that I was talked about for his
Speaker 1: basketball wise, I don't give two funks. But if a
Speaker 1: motherucker came at me on something like personal ship attack
Speaker 1: and then yeah, I gotta talk. I gotta, you know,
Speaker 1: take up for myself. But I'm talking about basketball wise.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, alright, man, whatever put me on
Speaker 1: shock and the food here motherfucking week. Motherfucker. If that
Speaker 1: makes you happy, I'm gonna keep it moving. But but not,
Speaker 1: But y'all got it. But y'all got a real point though.
Speaker 1: That's a real point though, And it shouldn't come off
Speaker 1: as Hey, basketball talk shouldn't come off as hate all
Speaker 1: attacking somebody personal. So I'm with you on that. Well,
Speaker 1: let's jump back to where it started, uh Texas. You know,
Speaker 1: you and Jack d you know how to good upbringing
Speaker 1: or excuse me, you guys were in the same areas.
Speaker 1: You guys met at a fourteen, same high school coach,
Speaker 1: same high school coach to Matt, tell me about you
Speaker 1: and Jack's bond. And when that started, ship Man Jack
Speaker 1: Ben had a bad Jack embraced me. I remember when
Speaker 1: Jack was hooping overseas. We had the same high school
Speaker 1: coach and uh Man Boo his name coach and j
Speaker 1: Bote We call him Boot and Boo used to always
Speaker 1: say Stevie, Stevie, Stevie, and I just couldn't wait to
Speaker 1: meet Jack. So this was my freshman year. Jack came home, Man,
Speaker 1: and he actually came intoide Jim and hoop with us
Speaker 1: in our high school practice and right there, ship we
Speaker 1: in him start hitting the weights. You remember that ship,
Speaker 1: Tell a trope, tell a truth. You was punishing me.
Speaker 1: I came home and I didn't know he was that
Speaker 1: damn big Uh, Matt, you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: ain't know he was at booooo. Told me had an
Speaker 1: animal down there. He told me an animal. When I
Speaker 1: got there, Matt, I ain't know he was seven ft
Speaker 1: two eight and bringing the ball up the court, crossing over.
Speaker 1: I wasn't ready for that, man, I was ship, I was.
Speaker 1: I was still trying to figure out my damn self. Hey, look,
Speaker 1: Steve came in. I ain't no bullshit six eight motherfucker's
Speaker 1: sham guard and hit both. I'm like, damn boot, you
Speaker 1: told me motherfucker was playing like the phot five when
Speaker 1: you have him, you ain't telling this. Motherfucker had all this.
Speaker 1: But we when that motherfucker practice and motherfucker's like it
Speaker 1: lived up. It was a joy. And Steve don't even
Speaker 1: know that one practice just set the tone for us
Speaker 1: to go on and go thirty six and O and
Speaker 1: win the championship, to keep it all the way real
Speaker 1: because Motherfucker's was trying to stick Steve on the perimeter.
Speaker 1: He was getting this workout, but motherfucker's was like hell long, man,
Speaker 1: if I could kind of play against Steven Jackson, he
Speaker 1: getting off, I ain't afraid of know, motherfucker. So that's
Speaker 1: when we was on. And then it went on to Man.
Speaker 1: I watched Steve Journeyman from when he went to the
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Nets to the San Antonio Spurs. Man. I remember
Speaker 1: walking in the mall. Jack saw me men. Two of
Speaker 1: my teammates, Albert Barnshing and Brandon Chapelle took us in
Speaker 1: foot locker. Man blessed us with all types of jay's
Speaker 1: and ship and in high school ship that was like
Speaker 1: that was everything. So it was like that bond, that
Speaker 1: bond was everything. Man, and I started, you know, everything
Speaker 1: was just Steve Jackson for me, like ship. I'm watching Steve.
Speaker 1: I watched him when he went to Brooklyn Shine Nell.
Speaker 1: I think what Steve made the All Rookie team San Antonio.
Speaker 1: Steve had us come down me and went down there
Speaker 1: Washington play in the finals, went to l A. Washington
Speaker 1: playing the finals against the Lakers, like that whole thing.
Speaker 1: So I was like, man, I watched the grind, I
Speaker 1: watched the step Steve went through, went to a B
Speaker 1: C D camp, went worked out grinding there after. Motherfucker's
Speaker 1: finished playing and ship man, here we are today. I
Speaker 1: remember my first year in the league. Steve had something
Speaker 1: to do, went down to his camp and p a.
Speaker 1: Mama Julie was there. She was like, baby, Steve, gonna
Speaker 1: be running later. Don't worry about it. I got it
Speaker 1: right now. Steve being Thursday, I got Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
Speaker 1: Mama Julie come up to me like how much you? Oh?
Speaker 1: Y'all said, what ship? You old me a damn thing?
Speaker 1: And I ain't take a dollar a matter of fact.
Speaker 1: I came up, Steve came up. I dropped him a
Speaker 1: check for ten k to the foundation. Let me tell
Speaker 1: you how ship reversed. So Steve kunning my camp. I
Speaker 1: have a little episode. Motherfucker, I gotta, you know, get
Speaker 1: into me and Steve about to go to jail. Me
Speaker 1: and Steve about to go to jail. I signed the
Speaker 1: club no bullshit act, Steve, We're about to have a
Speaker 1: whole motherfucking ride started because the motherfucker was in the wrong.
Speaker 1: Did some ship to us, and we ride. Motherfucker's hitting
Speaker 1: us with motherfucking uh still the clubs and Ship and man,
Speaker 1: Steve rode for me, Man and and and like was
Speaker 1: there hill my camp down the next two days the banquet,
Speaker 1: I couldn't make it there. And that's how we've been rocking. Man, Man,
Speaker 1: we've been rocking for a while like that, like just
Speaker 1: every time. So when I was at when I was playing,
Speaker 1: if we weren't playing the same night Steve was playing Ship,
Speaker 1: my motherfucking TV was watching Steve Jack. That's how motherfucker
Speaker 1: was summertime. We go, we linked back up, we go
Speaker 1: back home and Ship we're together. We go who We're
Speaker 1: gonna blow that good loud and Ship we posted up. Chillen, Matt.
Speaker 1: My my story similar, Man. I remember I remember Coach
Speaker 1: Boutet shot the coach Boutet, I want to stay championship
Speaker 1: with bout ninety five and uh he had Boote to
Speaker 1: always to tell me, Man, Jack got by far the
Speaker 1: best player I've player I've coached, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And I remember him calling he was like, Man, I
Speaker 1: remember telling people. I remember saying in the media he
Speaker 1: was the best player I coach. But I don't know, Jack,
Speaker 1: I got, I got something that you and me never
Speaker 1: seen a NI Area. Before I'm like, what you got
Speaker 1: coach to say? Jack, I got a real one. I
Speaker 1: got a real big man that can do it all.
Speaker 1: So you know what I'm saying. Before I met him, Matt,
Speaker 1: I knew I was going to support him because the
Speaker 1: relationship that men Boote had. You know what I'm saying, Um,
Speaker 1: short story about Boote. I wanted. I wanted to stay
Speaker 1: at Lincoln and play in my senior year, but Boote
Speaker 1: knew that I had a career in basketball, so he
Speaker 1: sent me to Okaia. Matt, I didn't want to go
Speaker 1: to Okahill my mom. Coach boute pulled me aside and
Speaker 1: my uncle and forced me to go to Oakhill. It
Speaker 1: was the best decision I could have made. But that's
Speaker 1: that's That's tell you about the coach Boutet. But but
Speaker 1: he was he was just silent man. And when he
Speaker 1: told me, when he told me about Perk, I couldn't
Speaker 1: wait to get home to see exactly what Bootee was saying.
Speaker 1: Because Boote brought the best out of so many layers
Speaker 1: from my city. And uh, when I was able to
Speaker 1: see Perk and I got a chance to play against
Speaker 1: him and seen his size and I knew for a fact, Man,
Speaker 1: it was no college. It was no more after his
Speaker 1: senior high school. It was no, it was not he
Speaker 1: was going straight to the league, man. And I was
Speaker 1: just happy to be a part of it because during
Speaker 1: that time, you know, a lot of people don't know
Speaker 1: Perk lost his mother at the young age, and then
Speaker 1: they don't know the things he went through growing up.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, how strong his grandparents was.
Speaker 1: These are the things that I that I grew to know,
Speaker 1: you know, um from being around him and help raising him.
Speaker 1: And then come to the point why I'm in his
Speaker 1: wed and seeing him marry somebody from my hometown who
Speaker 1: her family and my family are like family. You know,
Speaker 1: it just it just all, it just all came for
Speaker 1: a circle. Man did to see him win the championship, Matt,
Speaker 1: And it got to the point where one day I
Speaker 1: got real emotional because me and he was was was
Speaker 1: course side working on finals together and Golden State, and
Speaker 1: and I looked at and I took and I took
Speaker 1: a pitch. I'm like, this is crazy but too young
Speaker 1: young felled us from Port out the Texas. Look at
Speaker 1: us both now by the same high school coach. We
Speaker 1: made it to where we're both NBA champions, that we're
Speaker 1: standing on ESPN together doing stuff at the basketball that
Speaker 1: nobody thought we would do. That meant the world to me. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm just proud of you, bro, because we we we
Speaker 1: we we stayed. We stayed, knocking doors down and doing
Speaker 1: things that people say we can do from my area.
Speaker 1: And you motivate me to keep going. Bro. Let me
Speaker 1: let me tell you, and I ask something to that
Speaker 1: madness crazy because my wife was like, hello, you're going
Speaker 1: on all the smoke? Hell yeah? She was like ship,
Speaker 1: hell yeah, It's what I've been waiting down right. But
Speaker 1: because you know, man, yeah, man, people don't want to Matt.
Speaker 1: People don't understand, like literally, like Steve, Steve, what Steve
Speaker 1: mama house, Miss Julius and my mother law house is
Speaker 1: literally a mile away from each other. So like, but
Speaker 1: the upbringing from my brother in laws to to Donnie.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Donnie is my motherfucking brother
Speaker 1: for show, Like that's my that's my boy. But let
Speaker 1: me tell y'all, let me tell y'all what Steve say.
Speaker 1: It's crazy because we got a lot of fans and
Speaker 1: we got a lot of people that support us from
Speaker 1: our area, but man, we got some motherfucking haters. And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you how. Let me tell you and
Speaker 1: it's it's it's real ship because I'm gonna tell you this,
Speaker 1: so like, it just tell you how motherfucker's be trying
Speaker 1: to come between people. It's like, so when y'all started
Speaker 1: all the smoke last year, I'm like, hell yeah, y'all
Speaker 1: getting it, getting it going great. Guests on that motherfucker's
Speaker 1: motherfucker's like, man, why stack ain't got you on? Ye?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, motherfucker relaxed, man, relaxed, motherfucker. Let the
Speaker 1: motherfucker's motherfucker's ship going first, man. But it just shows you.
Speaker 1: It just shows you how motherfucker's are and how they
Speaker 1: try to come between motherfucker's. But they weren't coming between
Speaker 1: me and Jack. I don't give a fun what nobody
Speaker 1: was saying, because at the end of the day, guess
Speaker 1: what if I would have if I would have been on,
Speaker 1: if I would have came on all the smoke three
Speaker 1: years from now, I would have been as happy as
Speaker 1: the from right now. So and then the day you
Speaker 1: can't tell me, but because I haven't been on there yet.
Speaker 1: What my love is for my brother now, motherfucker, you
Speaker 1: could miss me with that ship. Matter fact, the same
Speaker 1: motherfucker's saying that I'm gonna block you right nine, move
Speaker 1: alone because I ain't with that bullshit. But that's how
Speaker 1: much no real talk, because that's how my motherfucker's are talking. Mother. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but David, but but but they you know from my city, man,
Speaker 1: they tried for years to pay that's against each other,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But we always supported each other.
Speaker 1: They always tried to pay us a perk, this Steve
Speaker 1: doing that, but they but we never let that happen,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. We always kept for United
Speaker 1: front man. So all that ship was sept for nothing.
Speaker 1: That's big. That's big. Um. So, like Jack said, he
Speaker 1: knew there was no college for you. When did you
Speaker 1: know you had a real chance to jump to the league,
Speaker 1: Because I don't think a lot of people realize that
Speaker 1: you was your last year of the year after you
Speaker 1: with the last year they could jump. Uh, it was
Speaker 1: two years after me. So I went to I went
Speaker 1: to a B C D camp I was on. I
Speaker 1: was playing for the Houston Hoops, which was a Nike team.
Speaker 1: You know, Jack played for it. I followed his the
Speaker 1: same motherfucking advice our high school is coach Boute gave him.
Speaker 1: He gave me the same damn advice. I'm gonna Maz,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do what's best for you. So he like,
Speaker 1: you going too this Adidas camp. So I win that motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Matt and I took. Steve was there and I told
Speaker 1: that bitch up, like I told that motherfucker up. I
Speaker 1: left out of the number one ranked player of the
Speaker 1: whole camp. Now that's what Lebron James. This is my
Speaker 1: sophomore year, Lenny Cook, all the white Sebastian tail, I
Speaker 1: left either there on paper, the number one player leaving
Speaker 1: out of that camp. And from then, from then, we didn't,
Speaker 1: we didn't know. We didn't. We didn't have social media.
Speaker 1: So motherfucker was going to the motherfucking Dell on the
Speaker 1: computer to look up rankings, to look up to look
Speaker 1: at the my Draft and all that ships. Or as
Speaker 1: a sophomore, I started seeing my name being involved with
Speaker 1: the my Draft. I'm like, hold on, I got a
Speaker 1: chance to get drafted. They had me going like second round.
Speaker 1: So my junior year, I come out. We're playing We're
Speaker 1: playing Central by my Central Robbery game in City game.
Speaker 1: I come out. I come out with Sam Presty from
Speaker 1: the Spurs, b J. Armstrong from the Bulls, and I
Speaker 1: forgot his name, but he was a scout for for
Speaker 1: the Washington Wizards, sitting courtside at the table when I
Speaker 1: go out for warm ups, and I'm like, man, what
Speaker 1: the funk you know I boot do? He don't even
Speaker 1: tell you about it. So I go out there and
Speaker 1: I'm like, hold on, man, it's really NBA scouts down
Speaker 1: here in both my Texas. I put a forty one
Speaker 1: in that motherfucker right So I'm like, not really talk.
Speaker 1: I'm snatching the screws out of everything. I'm dunking the
Speaker 1: funk out the bitch yelling, I'm doing it all funk
Speaker 1: all this ship. So man, right there, right then I
Speaker 1: started seeing man, certain ships, certain ships started coming along
Speaker 1: with like, you know, every year I was moving up,
Speaker 1: there was like perk could go for uh first round.
Speaker 1: My senior year, they was like Perk could be a
Speaker 1: late first round, early second round. And then you know,
Speaker 1: I met Sonny for Cairo, who who was huge and
Speaker 1: thedda's market. You got damn right, and uh he started
Speaker 1: putting me in a position man. And I worked out
Speaker 1: for three to four teams Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and Boston,
Speaker 1: and I got four guarantees. Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio
Speaker 1: had the last three picks of the first round and
Speaker 1: Boston had the twenty pick. With the second round, I
Speaker 1: mean first round. I went to Boston. I killed Brian
Speaker 1: Cook in the workout, who was the national player of
Speaker 1: the year. That yeah, I killed him, like, went to
Speaker 1: work on that motherfucker. Danny was like, hold on, we
Speaker 1: need you to stay another day, and so I stayed
Speaker 1: another day. He told Boots now that I was getting
Speaker 1: dra that they was gonna take me with the pick.
Speaker 1: The motherfucker's never said a word to me. This was
Speaker 1: at mate. The whole time. I'm nervous as hell. Man.
Speaker 1: They just telling me, you gotta keep working. We gotta
Speaker 1: wait for some more phone calls. The whole time they
Speaker 1: knew I'm getting drafted. So man, the draft night come,
Speaker 1: motherfucker's still don't tell me nothing. They're sitting there, calm.
Speaker 1: I'm in this motherfucker like, Man, I ain't got no
Speaker 1: motherfucking guarantee. But they come in with some cell to
Speaker 1: gil on, so I'm like hold on. So as the
Speaker 1: pigs going, it's what ended up happening. They trade the
Speaker 1: motherfucking picks to the Memphis picks because the Memphis one,
Speaker 1: I mean Boston, wanted to make sure they grabbed Marcus Banks,
Speaker 1: and they end up picking me with the twenty seven
Speaker 1: pick man, And that's how I end up getting drafted.
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you motherfucker's boots. They had me skipping
Speaker 1: senior skill day. On day he let me go to
Speaker 1: was prom man. Motherfucker had me going there at five
Speaker 1: in the morning, running the track, making sure my weight
Speaker 1: was down, you know, because my mama died when I
Speaker 1: was five. She was shotting killed about being friend, you know.
Speaker 1: So my mama died when I was five. My daddy
Speaker 1: bounced and went overseas. So I was raised by my
Speaker 1: grandfather and my grandmother. My grandfather was making three hundred
Speaker 1: dollars a month, my grandmother was making forty dollars a
Speaker 1: week being a maid. My grandfather cleaned up the church.
Speaker 1: My motivation was was that I gotta get them out
Speaker 1: this situation. So the first thing I did when I
Speaker 1: got my check. I brought them a motherfucking crib before
Speaker 1: I bought myself a house. So you're a Boston Celtic
Speaker 1: at seventeen years old, one of the most historical franchises
Speaker 1: in the history of the game. What's going through your mind?
Speaker 1: Now you made You're there, haven't made it, but you there.
Speaker 1: I'm never I don't know what's going through my mind.
Speaker 1: Like at that time, I'm just happy I made it
Speaker 1: to the league. So I'm so I'm so country. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Stacker, tell you it's motherfucking you know.
Speaker 1: We go to the Mom's and pop shots where we from,
Speaker 1: It's it's shrump fried rice fry shrump. You're hitting up
Speaker 1: Bruce since you had not vent, since you didn't John
Speaker 1: c food. That's when I'm accustomed to. I get to Boston.
Speaker 1: I don't see none of that ship. It's Pieca and
Speaker 1: Clam Clam Childer and all this ship. I'm so country.
Speaker 1: I don't even know nothing about shipping. Calls man me
Speaker 1: and George Davis, me and Gee Hopping hopping my truck
Speaker 1: to the knowledge. We drive thirty one hours, packed them
Speaker 1: all funk up. We drive thirty one. Yeah, I got
Speaker 1: the funk about it up. Man, I ain't give a
Speaker 1: funk what was going on. I left earlier. We were
Speaker 1: supposed to report later day weekend. Motherfucker, I was there
Speaker 1: at the middle of August. Hey, who are some of
Speaker 1: who are some of your vets on on your on
Speaker 1: your rookie team? Man? You know what, It's crazy because
Speaker 1: always say if you if you come into the league
Speaker 1: and you have great vets, you were long nine times
Speaker 1: out of team, you would have a long career because
Speaker 1: they're gonna show you. They gonna show you the ins
Speaker 1: and outs and and and see, like you know, the
Speaker 1: average careers four years. But when you get past ten years,
Speaker 1: it's a blessing. That means you're doing something right. So,
Speaker 1: motherfucker's was it ain't what you do is how you
Speaker 1: do it. I have some great vets in that motherfucker man,
Speaker 1: Walter McCarthy, Tony Batti, Tony del Eric Williams, like I
Speaker 1: had some of them old soul motherfucker's You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying? Who will really embraced me like a young fella.
Speaker 1: That's how you need to do ship. This is how
Speaker 1: you need to carry yourself. Look, it's I hate to
Speaker 1: stop out on the town, but this is how you
Speaker 1: gotta conduct it. Do it at this time. They're watching you,
Speaker 1: young fella, get your ass. Be the first one in there,
Speaker 1: be the last one to leave. I don't care if
Speaker 1: you ain't working or not be sitting in this motherfucker
Speaker 1: to everybody to lead this bitch like just teaching me
Speaker 1: the ropes. What was it like building relationships with Dr
Speaker 1: Rivers and Paul Pears? You know what, man, you know
Speaker 1: Paul man Jack, he took me on this wing man
Speaker 1: when I got out to Boston. I ain't gonna lie Paul. Paul.
Speaker 1: He saw that. Let me tell you what Paul did.
Speaker 1: So you know, Paul is like Paul is like that
Speaker 1: guy like us. He want to see where you're hearted.
Speaker 1: He want to see if you got something, if you're
Speaker 1: a real one. So my first preseason game over, I
Speaker 1: go against Detroit Pistons. They got big Ben Wallace. You
Speaker 1: know they got some big DC down there. That's my
Speaker 1: first preseason game where I played like ten minutes. I
Speaker 1: had eight nat and that motherfucker I'm in that bit, dunking,
Speaker 1: going that big Ben shooting my little broke ass jump
Speaker 1: hooking ship. So Paul was like, hello, y'all, fella, y'all, fella, y'all,
Speaker 1: feller got some dog in them, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And Paul put me through a test one time. He
Speaker 1: was like, yeall, see you in here. You're you're in
Speaker 1: here getting early. Let me see where you're hearted. He
Speaker 1: dropped fifteen hundred dollars on the floor. Now, fifteen hundred
Speaker 1: dollars to me at the time. Ship, that's a lot
Speaker 1: of motherfucking money. So he like, it's it's six seven
Speaker 1: inches of snow out there, and the bean time, Paul like,
Speaker 1: I bet you wanna go outside and give me a
Speaker 1: hundred push ups in your tights and the snow. I said, Ship,
Speaker 1: you got me fucked up. I'm going out there and
Speaker 1: knocked these motherfucker's. I went out there and knocked out them,
Speaker 1: hunted in the snow, in the snow on with tights on.
Speaker 1: Came back and got my motherfucking bread and Paul was like,
Speaker 1: oh no, this motherfucker like that. You're eight. We're keeping you.
Speaker 1: And then doctor Doc came in. Man, and Doc really,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, he changed my career because he made
Speaker 1: me be okay, with who I was as a player. Right.
Speaker 1: So the first shield, we we went through a bass.
Speaker 1: Now we made the playoffs with Antoine and Gary Payton
Speaker 1: and and motherfucking Paul and we made Ricky Ricky Davis
Speaker 1: and we we made a run. We lost to y'all Jack.
Speaker 1: We lost y'all the Pacers, the Paciers. Yeah, so so doctor.
Speaker 1: The next year we lost eighteen in the row. Matt
Speaker 1: dot com me in his office. They made a trade
Speaker 1: trade of my boy, big Al Jeffersons Jack. You know
Speaker 1: how close I was a big act. So he like,
Speaker 1: now just gonna change everything. You know you hurt, But
Speaker 1: motherfucker we got kg were about to win the tighter.
Speaker 1: Dot cam in his office and was like, look four,
Speaker 1: be a role player. Your job is the anchor, the defense,
Speaker 1: rebound block shots said, good screens finished around the basket,
Speaker 1: that's it. And Perky, if you listen to me, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have a long career and you're gonna make you
Speaker 1: some good money. And don't funk with the outside to say,
Speaker 1: they know what you bring. Your teammates and your coaches
Speaker 1: know what you bringing to the table. And when Docan
Speaker 1: still didn't to me, I was cool because I was
Speaker 1: all right with who I was. I was taking pride
Speaker 1: and setting great screens. I was taking pride of calling
Speaker 1: out ice, not letting the motherfucking guard come down here,
Speaker 1: turn the corn on the pick and roll. So it
Speaker 1: was all good. So that's how Doc changed everything for me.
Speaker 1: One thing docus to say is be a star in
Speaker 1: your role. You mean be a star. People don't have
Speaker 1: to understand. Obviously, with all the accolades you had, h
Speaker 1: offensively what you could have did you bought into your
Speaker 1: role same thing you you Jack Jackson is a bucket,
Speaker 1: but at the beginning of his career he had to
Speaker 1: do other things to you know, until he got to
Speaker 1: that point. And I think that's where a lot of
Speaker 1: young people fall off, as everyone wants to come in
Speaker 1: and score like KD or Staff for James and those,
Speaker 1: you know, the morefus are special. Most of the time
Speaker 1: you're coming in to be a role, to be a role,
Speaker 1: to fill a role, not to be to fill a role.
Speaker 1: And I think that's where a lot of people, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, don't don't don't get it. Um, what was
Speaker 1: it like going into that two thousand seventh summer. I mean,
Speaker 1: you guys have had four years there, a little bit
Speaker 1: up and down. But going into that summer, knowing that
Speaker 1: what you guys were about to do, what was it like?
Speaker 1: What was the atmosphere and vibe? Like, man, it was
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna even a lot. I was down the
Speaker 1: mp A at my mother law house and I saw
Speaker 1: the trade with KG. First. I saw the trade with
Speaker 1: Ray what we're doing. Then we get KG and it's like,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's like, oh, Boston is a
Speaker 1: favorite to win the title at that point in time. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm like, ship, I'm about twenty three years old. A
Speaker 1: championship ain't on my mind. Funk. I'm trying to I'm
Speaker 1: trying to make an all star game here that you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, I'm coming up, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to make an all star game. I'm thinking to
Speaker 1: myself individually until you know what I'm saying. They got
Speaker 1: it together, man and Doc had that conversation like, PERP,
Speaker 1: we could have traded you, but we value what you
Speaker 1: bring to the table. And he was like, you need
Speaker 1: to be ready. You and KG alongside each other defensively,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a problem. And once I started hearing
Speaker 1: everybody constantly talk about this ship, talk about it saying, man,
Speaker 1: y'all gonna be a problem, dog, Do you know what
Speaker 1: you do? You know what you're about to be a
Speaker 1: part of. And I didn't realize that at first, and
Speaker 1: then I realized that as I kept hearing about it
Speaker 1: to training camp. Well, that like obviously picking up Ray,
Speaker 1: picking up KG. But what was it like working with
Speaker 1: someone like KG? Because we've heard so many crazy, amazing,
Speaker 1: energetic stories about that dude. You got him as a
Speaker 1: young fellow. What was that like, Man, that was the
Speaker 1: best ship of a happened. That's the most unselfish motherfucker
Speaker 1: I ever played with in my life, the best teammate ever.
Speaker 1: KG got there and he instantly took a back seat
Speaker 1: to Paul and Ray and made himself the third option.
Speaker 1: And that right there, like that set the tone from
Speaker 1: the jump man. KG used to just do ship like
Speaker 1: you know, all the interns around their motherfucker. He used
Speaker 1: to buy them five custom made suits. We won that motherfucker.
Speaker 1: He bought everybody except the players Rolex watches. He used
Speaker 1: to cater rule Chris and all that ship. He he
Speaker 1: said himself as the third option to Paul, the ray.
Speaker 1: He came to me. I was like, you know what, men,
Speaker 1: you We're gonna focus on this defensive end. We're gonna
Speaker 1: set screens, get these motherfucker's open dive hord. Look if
Speaker 1: I don't get you eight to ten points a game,
Speaker 1: ain't doing my point. Motherfucker just had your hands read.
Speaker 1: And he used to just hold me accountable, like getting
Speaker 1: in the weight room. Yeah, man, getting in the weight room.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that. And KG had that
Speaker 1: motherfucking intensity, man, that he used to bring to the table.
Speaker 1: It's like pregame, it's like ship, motherfucker, you gotta be
Speaker 1: locked in funk around with him because he locked in
Speaker 1: at shoot around like it's just ton of vision and
Speaker 1: he's all in about the team. And and I think
Speaker 1: that's what made a success more than anything, was just
Speaker 1: how he sacrificed before as y'all had him on the show. Fun,
Speaker 1: y'all know, y'all can feel, y'all can feel a motherfucking
Speaker 1: vibe when you meet a real motherfucker and know it's authentic.
Speaker 1: Who is KG on that motherfucker on all the smoke,
Speaker 1: that's who he is in real life. People see that
Speaker 1: that all fisce competitor, but off the court, man, motherfucker
Speaker 1: cooler than a fan. Man, a real motherfucker will get
Speaker 1: the shirt off his back and got a heart of goal. Man,
Speaker 1: everything comes together. You start hearing you guys a favorite
Speaker 1: to win the championship? What was that following season? Like, man,
Speaker 1: it was great. I mean you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We was always together. I think going the Wrong for
Speaker 1: training camp really set the tone because we we were
Speaker 1: damned there forced to funk with each other and get
Speaker 1: to know one another because me and KG had beef,
Speaker 1: like it wasn't just it wasn't just you know, peaches
Speaker 1: and cream. I didn't like that motherfucker. He didn't like
Speaker 1: me either when he was in Minnesota. So motherfucker didn't
Speaker 1: know how we was going in the act. Man. And
Speaker 1: we had that first I mean, we took that seven
Speaker 1: hour flight to Wrong. He didn't say ship to me,
Speaker 1: and I didn't say nothing to him. I'm like, fuck
Speaker 1: it then, nig it is what it is, right, So ship,
Speaker 1: we get out there, we have our first camp. Men,
Speaker 1: his motherfucker just tied on the stream together. He like,
Speaker 1: hold on, man, this motherfucker. No, he got his ir
Speaker 1: Q right, this motherfucker go on the wall with me.
Speaker 1: I'm covering from he covering for me. It was just
Speaker 1: like instant Ever since then it was on. So we
Speaker 1: get to wrong, we get the wrong man, and we
Speaker 1: forced the funk with each other. We out there for
Speaker 1: three weeks, so everywhere it was it was all of
Speaker 1: us at one time. We're going everywhere together. We eat
Speaker 1: down in the lobby, kicking it together, and then it
Speaker 1: just carried on. So we just went through preseason like
Speaker 1: it was the Prep file season, and we hit the
Speaker 1: ground running. And when I knew we had something special,
Speaker 1: it's Gilbert Arenas chill. Gil was talking ship. I remember
Speaker 1: he was like, man, y'all, motherfucker's crowning them. They ain't
Speaker 1: done ship yet. You remember the Wizards was a force
Speaker 1: in the Eastern Conference. So what ended up happening was
Speaker 1: tell you how Doc did the game. He put the
Speaker 1: whole article on the front door or or the locker
Speaker 1: room of the arena, so when you walked in, that
Speaker 1: motherfucker you had to see it. And we all read
Speaker 1: that motherfucker, and he made sure pre game he was like,
Speaker 1: you know what these motherfuckers said. We came out and
Speaker 1: smacked the motherfucker's about fifty. That's when I knew. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, ship, we're on the mother Yeah we
Speaker 1: we we were on one mm hmm. But the season
Speaker 1: was the season was cool, man. We kicked it. We
Speaker 1: went out, We gambled ship. Well, I mean on the plane.
Speaker 1: The motherfucker's like the hood. I'm talking about man, shirt off,
Speaker 1: big gass, boom box on the front, motherfucker's shoot dice,
Speaker 1: motherfucker on wrestling for money. Man, it was going down
Speaker 1: on it was the hood. But doc let us be us,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So we're in that motherfucker
Speaker 1: kicking it. We got motherfucker's like t a O schicy
Speaker 1: shot Tom, motherfucker on the dice, gambling, slick rolling and
Speaker 1: ship like that. So man, it was all good. Man.
Speaker 1: So you get through that season. Um, you guys face
Speaker 1: the Lakers in the finals. Wasn't the thought of that
Speaker 1: so early? First year into it, you're in the rivalry.
Speaker 1: You're in the Lakers Celtics rivalry. Now, man, that ship crazy.
Speaker 1: Y'all know from going to the finals. If you ain't careful,
Speaker 1: you could just get caught up in the whole finals itself.
Speaker 1: You know, the media, the introduction, all that ship. You
Speaker 1: gotta remember that you there to play motherfucking basketball. Then
Speaker 1: on top of that, we're going against a bad motherfucker
Speaker 1: on the other side, so we had to make sure
Speaker 1: we were locked in. So, you know, getting there, that
Speaker 1: whole Celtic Lake and rivalry. You're watching that ship on television,
Speaker 1: You're like, damn, get to the Staples Center or the Garden,
Speaker 1: both of them fired up. They running all the traditional things,
Speaker 1: Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kareem, you know, uh, hell ship
Speaker 1: you all the motherfucker's you know that ain't your motherfucker's
Speaker 1: that was on that Yeah, yeah, yeah man. So so
Speaker 1: we get to we get to the to the game
Speaker 1: and once it was jump ball, it was like ship,
Speaker 1: we're gonna trap the ship out of Kobe and everybody
Speaker 1: else got to beat us. And that's what that's the
Speaker 1: way we made it. They was like, Perk, you got Kasso,
Speaker 1: head up, body that motherfucker kg you got a little
Speaker 1: more older. That's how we gonna play on. We're gonna
Speaker 1: force him to take jumpers and ship. We go trap
Speaker 1: Kobe on pick and rolls and get the all out
Speaker 1: of his motherfucking hands, and that's what we did m
Speaker 1: Game six close out at home. What did that mean
Speaker 1: to you guys to be able to do it on
Speaker 1: your floor? Man, it meant everything because the last thing
Speaker 1: we wanted to do was go back to l A.
Speaker 1: And we knew because that identity that we established in
Speaker 1: the garden that once we got the motherfucker back home,
Speaker 1: it was gonna be a problem because that motherfucker got
Speaker 1: the rocket and you know, our hostyle is getting in
Speaker 1: the in those Boston and ringers. Motherfucker's to tell you
Speaker 1: everything under the sun. So with that being said, man,
Speaker 1: when we got back home, it was it was on
Speaker 1: our mind to finish that ship, man, And and it
Speaker 1: meant everything. Just the atmosphere we got it done. Motherfucker's
Speaker 1: was tied on the stream, everybody got playing time, We
Speaker 1: was deep. It was just a good ass feeling. Man.
Speaker 1: Then to beat the Lakers at that it was everything. Uh,
Speaker 1: Kobe said, that was just the toughest loss of his career.
Speaker 1: Um falling to you guys in the H eight final, Um,
Speaker 1: you know that had to be a part. I mean
Speaker 1: that had to be a special runs your first taste?
Speaker 1: How old you at this point? Yeah? Three Champions. It
Speaker 1: was crazy, man. But look, but look, I I tell
Speaker 1: you what. I could tell that Kobe was pissed like
Speaker 1: a motherfucker, and I was saying to myself, I said, man, look,
Speaker 1: next year, if we make it back, this motherfucker go
Speaker 1: have it on his mind. But we didn't make it back.
Speaker 1: But you saw what he did to Orlando. But Ship,
Speaker 1: it was just But but you know the thing about
Speaker 1: Kobe was was that even when we went up twenty
Speaker 1: at one point of the game six, I was still
Speaker 1: scared than them, motherfucker because I'm like, man, this ain't
Speaker 1: this lead. I don't give a Yeah, like this motherfucker's
Speaker 1: start hitting fadeaways over double teams and shipped out of
Speaker 1: the corner. Three. I'm like, man, ship, here we go
Speaker 1: with this ship again. Yeah, it was that he said
Speaker 1: that was that was the one for him. Two thousand
Speaker 1: nine are trying to defend the title, KG get hurt?
Speaker 1: How hard was that? How hard was the team and
Speaker 1: how frustrated was the team with KG went down? Man,
Speaker 1: we we was fucked up because we knew we had
Speaker 1: a small window, especially with the age of KG and Ray,
Speaker 1: not necessarily Paul, but we had a small window. To
Speaker 1: win as many championships as we possibly can, and I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, we competed. We went to that seven game
Speaker 1: series with the Chicago Bulls and and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: seven games with the Orlando Magic. But I thought we
Speaker 1: should have beat the Magic that year in my opinion,
Speaker 1: but hey, you know, we didn't do it. But you know,
Speaker 1: I thought it was good for me those stacking matt
Speaker 1: because that was one of the best That was some
Speaker 1: of the best basketball that I actually played individually during
Speaker 1: those fourtseen games, shaid, I average like seventeen twelve and
Speaker 1: three blocks. So it was all good for me individually
Speaker 1: because I got to find myself again and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, going into the next season, shift, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be all right. And it was crazy because it
Speaker 1: opened up eyes to DC Rivers because the next season
Speaker 1: he actually started saying, Hill, we're running some turn five
Speaker 1: so per and KG KG Paula Ray actually said, you
Speaker 1: know what, in the regular season, what we're gonna do
Speaker 1: is ship We're gonna develop these motherfuckers. Rundo, you got
Speaker 1: the keys, perk key, I'm about to give you some
Speaker 1: of the offersive package. Motherfucker. You ain't gonna be doing
Speaker 1: all that ship me shaking. You're gonna have a right hook,
Speaker 1: left hook, and I'm gonna make sure I found you.
Speaker 1: You dunk that motherfucker. Now I'm gonna beat courtesy and
Speaker 1: let you get some of my rebounds. Because y'all know
Speaker 1: how KG was about this boards and they was running
Speaker 1: the first play of the game for you, every game
Speaker 1: that was running the first play of the game for you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: every time Man and KG, KG, Jack and Matt. He
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I used to go grab
Speaker 1: a rebound. He was used to be like at me, lady,
Speaker 1: you bitch ass nigger like he used to be. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so man, ship Man, he started letting us coming to
Speaker 1: our own and they started they started motherfucking let Rondo
Speaker 1: have the keys to the car, which which I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say this real quick, which wasn't It was a good
Speaker 1: thing because Rondo was ready. But this is when him
Speaker 1: and Ray started having they loved you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: they love beef because you know, Ray really wasn't brought
Speaker 1: into just handing Rondo over the keys. Paul and KG
Speaker 1: was like, nah, let this motherfucker go. He getting us
Speaker 1: easy shots. But Ray kind of still wanted to bring
Speaker 1: the ball up. And that's when the beef started happening.
Speaker 1: And that's when we had to pull out the motherfucking
Speaker 1: gloves in the weight room and let Ray and Rondo
Speaker 1: put the motherfucker's on and go with it for a minute.
Speaker 1: Like they actually got on the gloves. We're like, nah,
Speaker 1: they got the animosity. I go box this ship out
Speaker 1: and they got on. That's the old school ship. I
Speaker 1: ain't never heard that story. Thing was, man, Rondo was
Speaker 1: got on Ray ass man Like man, I knew that
Speaker 1: I had and and I know why, and I know
Speaker 1: my way was mad when DoD gave him the keys because,
Speaker 1: like I said this before mat before even having perk
Speaker 1: on here, the big three was Rondo, Paul and KG.
Speaker 1: Ray wasn't part of the big three in my mind anyway.
Speaker 1: And I say that because I ain't hating it, But
Speaker 1: to everybody out here, I say that because I used
Speaker 1: to punish, right, you know what I'm saying he did? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm must saying I used to punish, So he wasn't
Speaker 1: as good to me as he was to y'all. You
Speaker 1: feel what I'm saying, Man, I can't lie looked Steve
Speaker 1: was in Charlotte and man, they got into it, him
Speaker 1: and him and Ray right. So when they got stopped
Speaker 1: on the court, motherfucker's about the fight, and motherfucker next
Speaker 1: day they're like, damn perk. While you wouldn't run up
Speaker 1: in the mix, I'm my ship. I was breaking it up.
Speaker 1: But you'a gotta understand that's that my motherfucker family and
Speaker 1: I went up, but I ain't getting hell na. That's
Speaker 1: fair that one. So two thousand and ten, like you said,
Speaker 1: Rondo is raising his level to an all star performance.
Speaker 1: That's when we we beat we We lost you guys
Speaker 1: in the Eastern Conference Finals. You guys go on to
Speaker 1: face the Lakers again. UM tell us about that battle,
Speaker 1: because that was a little bit different. You guys suffered
Speaker 1: some key injuries during that run in the finals, and
Speaker 1: the Lakers end up beating you guys on some big
Speaker 1: shots at the end. I'm glad you'll be matten because
Speaker 1: they swept the ship out of us. We shipped up, bro.
Speaker 1: We had beat them three one during the regular season
Speaker 1: and staying got scared going to the Eastern Conference Finals.
Speaker 1: We thought we were gonna make a couple of adjustments.
Speaker 1: This dude changed the whole offense. So they beat the
Speaker 1: ship out of us game one, game to game three.
Speaker 1: We win game four and I think lose game five
Speaker 1: and lose. We lose one. We want two in a row.
Speaker 1: Once we kind of said, like man, us, get back
Speaker 1: to our ship, and then they beat us in game six.
Speaker 1: That ship was crazy. I thought we should have went
Speaker 1: to the finals that year and played the Lakers. But
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, some some crazy ship went
Speaker 1: into that Eastern Finals. They end up beating us, and
Speaker 1: it's crazy because I'm glad you brought up that point. Man,
Speaker 1: and I tweeted this other day and there's no hate,
Speaker 1: but you know, motherfucker gotta keep it real. And this
Speaker 1: is why I said I tweeted this. I said, y'all
Speaker 1: really thought that Staning van Gundi was the coach? Was
Speaker 1: it was the right coach for the New Orleans Pelicans. No,
Speaker 1: he wasn't the right coach. Like I feel like you
Speaker 1: should have hired the young stud. But that's a whole conversation.
Speaker 1: I like, hey, I like standing Max and Oh's he's
Speaker 1: old school though real I like his X and os.
Speaker 1: But you know, Shack said that ship a long time ago.
Speaker 1: When it comes to pressure, and we completely bro We
Speaker 1: were eight no in the playoffs, beating teams by boarding
Speaker 1: five points a game, and we change our whole strategy
Speaker 1: to play against a team we would beat three out
Speaker 1: of four games that season. Just yeah, man, But it's
Speaker 1: just crazy because I felt like it was so many
Speaker 1: young studs. I feel like even Damon stoudermy man, who's
Speaker 1: coaching that at a collegiate level right now? Uh, Sam Cassell, like, man,
Speaker 1: bring some young wood up in there, man, because it's
Speaker 1: a new day and age, right like it's a new
Speaker 1: it's a new era. Motherfucker's ain't buying into all that
Speaker 1: who are defensive and exit. Yeah, you gotta play defense,
Speaker 1: but you gotta let motherfucker's rock out on the offensive end.
Speaker 1: All that player movement and running sets. Motherfucker's ain't doing
Speaker 1: that hot pick and roller ice. So let these motherfucker's
Speaker 1: go to work. But that's another story. Two thousand and ten.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and ten, man, I remember that ship more
Speaker 1: than the year that we wanted, because it was like
Speaker 1: I started five healthy. We never lost the we never
Speaker 1: lost a playoff series, and I felt like going into
Speaker 1: l A. We was up, we was up three three
Speaker 1: to Game six in l A. Felt like we had
Speaker 1: the right momentum going. Obviously they get Andrew buying them back.
Speaker 1: So now I'm playing Andrew bonhom ticket playing uh Mark,
Speaker 1: I mean, uh Paul Kasaul, Yeah, power Kasaw. So the
Speaker 1: motherfucking matchups is even we're down there, we're battling like
Speaker 1: a motherfucker. We're going at it. So man, I tell
Speaker 1: my motherfucking a c l Man. And it was the
Speaker 1: worst thing in my life because I didn't think it
Speaker 1: wasn't that I didn't feel like I wasn't gonna bounced back.
Speaker 1: But you just never take going to the Farmers for
Speaker 1: granted because people people don't understand it's hard to just
Speaker 1: get to the Farmers, let alone win the championship. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I might not reach this ship again,
Speaker 1: elb in my life. That's why I heard of me.
Speaker 1: And then having to sit out Ames seven and watch
Speaker 1: us have a fourteen point lead in the fourth quarter
Speaker 1: and the Lakers walked their ship down to win the
Speaker 1: championship and watched them celebrate on on our home on
Speaker 1: their home court, and us having to walk through the
Speaker 1: stadium here and all that ship, the bus ride back
Speaker 1: going to the plane and ship decorated with l A GIL.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you something. Kobe was six for
Speaker 1: twenty four that game. But this is how bad he wanted.
Speaker 1: Every team that won that won the game in that
Speaker 1: series won the rebound and battle. Kobe had fifteen motherfucking
Speaker 1: rebounds at the two guard position. So that goes to
Speaker 1: that's another testimony to his greatness because people always think
Speaker 1: everybody want to talk about the scoring, but like he
Speaker 1: was off, but he said, you know what, would do whatever,
Speaker 1: he would do whatever it takes to win. He had
Speaker 1: he had eight offensive rebounds that led to him going
Speaker 1: to the free throw line. Like that's that's like motherfucker
Speaker 1: wanted that ship. Man. And like today, man, since we're
Speaker 1: thinking back on it and when we lost our brother,
Speaker 1: I ain't even just saying this because you know it's
Speaker 1: it's a front. This is how I feel when people
Speaker 1: ask me about the two thousand and ten. Now I'm
Speaker 1: at ease with it. I'm like, you know what ship,
Speaker 1: I ship Kobe could had that motherfucker. Man, I'm glad
Speaker 1: he took it straight up. That's just the real win there.
Speaker 1: I don't even. I'm not even. I don't think about it.
Speaker 1: I don't say what if I'm like, hell, y'all, glad
Speaker 1: kovid got this field. I ain't Killvin was against us M.
Speaker 1: That's two thousand and ten. Summer, Um, Miami forms their
Speaker 1: big three, their own big three? Uh what are they?
Speaker 1: What's the reaction by you guys? Ship ship? I don't know, man.
Speaker 1: I was long and gone. Motherfucker's shipped me up. Bout
Speaker 1: it up? You know what I'm say? Summer No, I
Speaker 1: got traded in January. I'm mine. So when they got
Speaker 1: when they formed together, I was recovering off my a
Speaker 1: c L injury, so I didn't never get a chance
Speaker 1: to play with him. But we added shock. We had
Speaker 1: a shock, and we had a j oh And what
Speaker 1: happened was was that I had a Danny off of
Speaker 1: me a contract extension. I was making four. He was like,
Speaker 1: hip perk, I got a contract extension for you for
Speaker 1: six million. Yeah. I was like, Dan, I can't take that.
Speaker 1: A start in center right now, making anywhere from ten
Speaker 1: to fifteen. So Danny knew it was a strong possibility
Speaker 1: I was gonna walk. He traded. Long story short man,
Speaker 1: he traded me to Okay, see, knowing I was gonna
Speaker 1: get paid there, I didn't play a game. Before I
Speaker 1: even played one game, man, they gave me a four year,
Speaker 1: thirty six million dollar deal. So I was like, people
Speaker 1: always be mad at Danny, but Dan, they actually did
Speaker 1: me a favor. But when the Big Three. But when yeah, man,
Speaker 1: when the Big Three, When the Big Three was formed
Speaker 1: in Miami, I was like, ship, it's about to be
Speaker 1: a motherfucking problem. I was said, I wasn't necessarily scared
Speaker 1: of Chris Bosh because KG always gave him that work,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying that, And for some reason
Speaker 1: he took it personal when he played against Bosch. But man,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie to Lebron and d Wade pairing
Speaker 1: up going against like kind of older Ray and the Paul.
Speaker 1: I was like, funk, I don't know about that one. Man.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be a hard motherfucker to get across, right there.
Speaker 1: M So or you, like you said, you go to
Speaker 1: a to a young okayc team that drafted really well
Speaker 1: and has ready to make noise of themselves. What were
Speaker 1: your first thoughts playing with that young squad because you
Speaker 1: guys had a lot of talent over there. Man. I
Speaker 1: was like, man, what the funk you know, I'm leaving
Speaker 1: Boston while being at my my my brothers. I wasn't
Speaker 1: feeling that ship Man. When I got into that motherfucker
Speaker 1: and I saw these young motherfucker's and I heard they
Speaker 1: worked and how they was putting in that work after
Speaker 1: back to backs practicing going there each other, I was like, ship,
Speaker 1: I didn't walk into another gold mine. Hell, I just
Speaker 1: got to play my role. So I was. I walked in, okay,
Speaker 1: see on the strange mcl on my other leg. So
Speaker 1: I had a month to actually evaluate them and actually
Speaker 1: wash them up close. I was like, man, he's some
Speaker 1: bad motherfucker's. If I just bring if I just bring
Speaker 1: this leadership in this motherfucker and preach roles, ship Man,
Speaker 1: we're about to run. We're about to make us a
Speaker 1: couple of runs. And so we end up going to
Speaker 1: the Western Conference. But I knew James was gonna be special.
Speaker 1: I knew Russ was gonna be special, and my damn show.
Speaker 1: Knew Katie was gonna be special. All of them guys
Speaker 1: from the moment I saw them in the first two weeks,
Speaker 1: not just in the game, but how the motherfucker's prepared
Speaker 1: and how much time they put into the gym. I
Speaker 1: was like, Na, these motherfucker's is on the mission. What
Speaker 1: was the chemistry like with that team? All young stars?
Speaker 1: You come in as a little bit older player, you
Speaker 1: come in her, but you guys got a nice young roster.
Speaker 1: What what what was the vibe and energy like around
Speaker 1: that team? Man, you gonna lie, it was fucked up.
Speaker 1: It was up when I first got there. Everyone was
Speaker 1: going their separate ways. When I first got there, man,
Speaker 1: you know you had one clique hanging over here, another
Speaker 1: click hanging over there. So I walked in there, man,
Speaker 1: and I started actually, I started actually preaching roles, and
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like, Na, man, we ain't
Speaker 1: gonna we ain't gonna do this like we're gonna be together.
Speaker 1: I started forming Team Dinners. I'm like, look, they weren't
Speaker 1: guys that went out, And I'm like, we're gonna play
Speaker 1: bout ray in my hotel room. This is what we're
Speaker 1: about to do. A matter of fact, all that flying
Speaker 1: your brother in or brothers or cousins or friends, Na, man,
Speaker 1: we ain't doing that no more. We go funk with
Speaker 1: each other. We go, we go, go on the road,
Speaker 1: and it's just gonna be us all that breaking off.
Speaker 1: We got to develop some type of chemistry off the
Speaker 1: court to make this ship carry on on the court. Man,
Speaker 1: I had certain group of family members weren't speaking of
Speaker 1: other group of family members and it was just like
Speaker 1: a and I'm like, hold on, man, So that goes
Speaker 1: to show me. It was a lot of shoot shooting
Speaker 1: behind motherfucker's aink motherfucker's saying this about them. And I
Speaker 1: nipped that ship in the bud like quick, like nah,
Speaker 1: if we want to win, we're blocking out all that
Speaker 1: outside bullshit straight up and don't come in here with
Speaker 1: that bullshit. And they gravitated towards me. And I had
Speaker 1: a guy like I had a guy like Nick Collinson,
Speaker 1: who's one of my favorite motherfucking uh teammates of all time,
Speaker 1: helped me out with that ship because he like, man right,
Speaker 1: Like I called this ship out in the film room
Speaker 1: like hey look here, man, all that outside ship. I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on, but we ain't doing that
Speaker 1: ship no more. Straight up. That's big. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: you know, that's coming from a veteran team and going
Speaker 1: to a young team, you know, with no real guidance.
Speaker 1: I love Nick Collinson, but he's probably you know, he's
Speaker 1: probably not as outspoken. I'm sure it helped having you
Speaker 1: and then him to be able to stand for you
Speaker 1: because I know they all respected Nick because Nick was
Speaker 1: but the longest tenure sonic rocket there was excuse me,
Speaker 1: uh thunder there were rightest Yeah. M hmm. So now
Speaker 1: that's Donkey brought that kind of energy. It's important. Eleven
Speaker 1: NBA playoffs, she losed the Dallas in five. MAVs were
Speaker 1: gone to winning. How tough wasn't dealing with dirt? He
Speaker 1: wasn't tough for us? He was and look we had man,
Speaker 1: we had a young surge and myself I had two
Speaker 1: motherfucker knee braces on like I was an offensive lineman
Speaker 1: because I had to wear a knee braids for the
Speaker 1: A C L M C L. Man. I ain't got
Speaker 1: a lot of dirt. Gave us that motherfucking work man
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. He was man. He was in a
Speaker 1: zone where if he wasn't missing shots, he was getting
Speaker 1: to the free throw line like he wasn't missing shots.
Speaker 1: It wasn't no missing for him. I didn't give a
Speaker 1: damn how great if a contest you've got or whatever
Speaker 1: the case may be. And he got to the free
Speaker 1: throw line. I think in that series he probably averaged
Speaker 1: twenty two to twenty three free throw attempts at game
Speaker 1: and they always found that's how aggressive he was. So
Speaker 1: he wasn't just selling, but he was a motherfucking problem.
Speaker 1: You could tell that year he was like, no, there
Speaker 1: ain't no more taking this ship away from me, and
Speaker 1: I'm going out swinging. Motherfucker like we could not stop
Speaker 1: him to save the life of us. And he and
Speaker 1: he knew that, like he was just on the mission.
Speaker 1: That's a bad boy, Yes, sir, thirty thou plus scored. Shoot,
Speaker 1: say what you want. That motherfucker was bad. A killer.
Speaker 1: Dirk was a killer. All we did, all we did
Speaker 1: was pissing him off and golden steak. But he had
Speaker 1: a whole different mindset after that. But y'all actually, but
Speaker 1: y'all actually had the bodies though y'all had it was huge, stacked,
Speaker 1: like y'all had the bodies to switch and aggravate him,
Speaker 1: and y'all was able to be able to get up
Speaker 1: under move y'all feet where he damn Nip couldn't get
Speaker 1: a shot off. Oh he couldn't put that bit on
Speaker 1: the ground around y'all because y'all was taking this ship
Speaker 1: and on the other end, who the funk he was
Speaker 1: gonna guard? Y'all? Was the real two definition of going small.
Speaker 1: Y'all set that ship from the jump, y'all was like, motherfucker,
Speaker 1: we're about to get up and down. Your motherfucking go,
Speaker 1: your motherucking' as gonna have to slide these your puppies.
Speaker 1: And that's that was a fun as series though. Real
Speaker 1: talk two thousand and twelve playoffs, you and Jack meeting
Speaker 1: the Western Conference Finals. Memories from both of you guys
Speaker 1: on that series, go to try and go stand up man.
Speaker 1: That was a good moment. Man. I was able to
Speaker 1: get back to San Antonio, and uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: remember that that. I thought I was going to get
Speaker 1: my second chip man in San Antonio. And the one
Speaker 1: thing about it, every time I've been in San Antonio, Matt,
Speaker 1: we went to the Western Conference Finals at least you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, but h but we won the
Speaker 1: first two games, Matt. We got out to a good start.
Speaker 1: I think we was riding tim you know, Tim was
Speaker 1: making the right place making you know, he wasn't really
Speaker 1: scoring too much, but he was just making the right place.
Speaker 1: You know, Tim, he's gonna do everything right. You come doubling,
Speaker 1: he gonna he's not gonna force, and he's gonna let
Speaker 1: your double and make the right place. So the first
Speaker 1: two games, we was doing all that. Uh, second two games,
Speaker 1: Katie and Russ just turned up on another level. Dog,
Speaker 1: I mean, mancau. I was playing a good dal on them,
Speaker 1: but they were just making plays to the point where
Speaker 1: we went up to and it ended up being a
Speaker 1: Tai Series. I mean, it ended up being a Tai
Speaker 1: Series Game six for them to send us home. And Uh,
Speaker 1: I was on five, Matt, I come out six six threes.
Speaker 1: I'm talking, I couldn't miss. I couldn't miss. I'm talking
Speaker 1: my own five. And Tony Parker here he go. Was
Speaker 1: trying to get m VP. He starts trying to do
Speaker 1: it himself. He was trying to compete. He was trying
Speaker 1: to compete with Russ. That that didn't work, Matt. Next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, Katie had the next thing, you know, James
Speaker 1: got hot and and once at once rushing his bag.
Speaker 1: Katie hot. Now you got James come in. We couldn't
Speaker 1: do that with him dogging Dad and they and they
Speaker 1: was able to end up going to the finals that year.
Speaker 1: But that that was a good experience for me because
Speaker 1: not only playing against him, but going to the game,
Speaker 1: seeing vanning him at the games, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: being able to see them at the games, and when
Speaker 1: we both come from it was just crazy. Man, were
Speaker 1: both in the Western Conference finals. We got the same like.
Speaker 1: It was just it was just a great MoMA win
Speaker 1: out lose. It was a great moment for me. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was for me too, Matt, because look at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, we both had already won ring,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't like we was chasing our first title,
Speaker 1: but we was trying to get that second one. And
Speaker 1: then you know, to go against my brother in the
Speaker 1: film room, we had Jack as as like that motherfucker
Speaker 1: that like, we we had to get a focus on
Speaker 1: because we was like, man, we cannot let Jack beat
Speaker 1: his third option and get going. Although he did get going,
Speaker 1: that motherfucker couldn't miss and I think it was in
Speaker 1: game six we was like, what the fuck? But he
Speaker 1: had a good series going on here, I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you Jack ain't telling no lines, Matt, no bullshit. So
Speaker 1: the first two games in San Antonio, we was playing
Speaker 1: the pick and roll regular well, we was dropping in
Speaker 1: coverage and Tony Parker was actually being able to come
Speaker 1: downhill at me and I wouldn't be able to do
Speaker 1: ship because I was in the drop. I went't we down?
Speaker 1: Oh two, I'm fucked up. I'm like, man, niggas got
Speaker 1: me fucked up. I'm hearing Steve Kerr talk shit. I
Speaker 1: go back and watch the game and I want to
Speaker 1: listen to the bullishit. I hear Steve Kurt telling, motherfucker
Speaker 1: they should take me out the line of the perk,
Speaker 1: can't guard the pick and roll. I go in in
Speaker 1: motherfucking film room and tell Scotty, hey, look, man, were
Speaker 1: switching everything. We came in that motherfucking we switched them
Speaker 1: motherfucker's because I knew once they saw the switch with
Speaker 1: Tony Parker and I came out in game three and
Speaker 1: we switched the pick and roll. First. I switched out
Speaker 1: on Tony Parker. I clapped my motherfucking hands, like, let
Speaker 1: me see that motherfucker gave him space. He tried to
Speaker 1: pull up on me. I blocked that ship, took that ship.
Speaker 1: Then Genoblic came down tried to do the same in
Speaker 1: the pick and roll, and I remember the pop was hot.
Speaker 1: He called the time out. I looked at the commentating
Speaker 1: tape over there, Steve Krolls like, go, ho ass Nick,
Speaker 1: what you were saying? I'm hot? I'm because already already
Speaker 1: heard it. So I'm in my mind like, mother ye
Speaker 1: suck up. So we right there, we switched up, and
Speaker 1: they didn't even know it. They didn't even make no adjustments.
Speaker 1: Instead of them going to the post with with with
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan. But the switch, Tony was going at the
Speaker 1: mismatch dog and that was all bad. And all we
Speaker 1: said was is that we're gonna get me in. Search said,
Speaker 1: we're gonna give him space and we're gonna make him
Speaker 1: take a tough contestant to and that motherfucker started clanking
Speaker 1: that motherfuck off the side of the rim and bank
Speaker 1: bull straight up, and that's how I went. But at
Speaker 1: that moment, it was just cool, man, because all our
Speaker 1: families was there, you know what I mean. So it's
Speaker 1: just like it's it's stack going Like at that point,
Speaker 1: you wanta stack that I want to stack to have
Speaker 1: a good game. I wanted to have a good game
Speaker 1: and ship in game, folks. I kind of win that.
Speaker 1: I kind of win that Tim a little bit. I
Speaker 1: had me a little fifteen and nine twelve in the
Speaker 1: first quarter. I kind of set to you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I win that to him a little bit.
Speaker 1: I used to, because I used to. I used to
Speaker 1: be like, man, funk all this nice guys ship Tim,
Speaker 1: he Tim Duncan. But I used to pick fights with him.
Speaker 1: Jack could tell you, motherfucker used to push him, throw
Speaker 1: well bowls. I would never rather him, but I used
Speaker 1: to just try to like, motherfucker, you're gonna do something today,
Speaker 1: motherfucker fight tonight. But he used to fight back. He
Speaker 1: ain't talking no ships that motherfucker give you that word. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no question about that. So you guys knock out San
Speaker 1: Antonio and play the Big Three? What was that experienced like?
Speaker 1: Because that was your young bucks first taste of the finals,
Speaker 1: that's Broun's first ring obviously, But what's that experience like
Speaker 1: being with a young okay See team and winning it
Speaker 1: as a youngster with a veteran driven Boston team. Man
Speaker 1: look it was there and I saw it. I saw
Speaker 1: it because after we won the conference finals, I saw
Speaker 1: the energy and everybody and they had acted like we
Speaker 1: won the championship, and you expect that out of some
Speaker 1: young guys. But I'm like, man, we got these motherfucker's
Speaker 1: who over here waiting owners who are waiting for their
Speaker 1: first title run with a veteran team of Mike Miller,
Speaker 1: James Jones, Like, you know, they got all these motherfucker's
Speaker 1: who chasing. They they hard well, So we end up
Speaker 1: getting game one, they got Game two. But when we
Speaker 1: went to Miami, man, we could not get a win.
Speaker 1: To save our life. Man, Russ and Russ and James
Speaker 1: came to play. I remember I had a couple of
Speaker 1: double doubles. I mean, Russey and Katie came to play.
Speaker 1: I had a couple of double double surgeons doing pretty good.
Speaker 1: But man, James ain't give us ship. And you know why,
Speaker 1: mother motherfucker King of diamonds and everything called a hole
Speaker 1: is Man. We couldn't get in San Antonio. Look in
Speaker 1: San Antonio, he didn't have a damn thing to do. Ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got about. Yeah, we got to motherfucker Miam and
Speaker 1: ship it was everything, motherfucker do. We couldn't get that
Speaker 1: motherfucker to buy a bucket in that mother was killing
Speaker 1: us in San Antonio. God damn. Yeah, you have to
Speaker 1: get his risks. In Miami, he couldn't get his risk.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker was all in. Motherfucker night, couldn't get his rest.
Speaker 1: So your careers winding down, you get a stop in
Speaker 1: Cleveland to play with Lebron side by side, You could
Speaker 1: have stopped and get to play with the young a
Speaker 1: d tell me we're playing with those two were like
Speaker 1: on your way out. Well, you know, I've been knowing
Speaker 1: Braun since I was about Ship twelve, class so three,
Speaker 1: whether we was playing against each other, where we played,
Speaker 1: whether he was at abc D camp, whether we played
Speaker 1: on the same Oakland Soldier team. So I've been knowing Braun,
Speaker 1: and I've been knowing the sacrifice and that he was
Speaker 1: putting in. This motherfucker was eating fruit and ship. We
Speaker 1: was in the ninth grade before between games. You know
Speaker 1: how you play seven games in a day, sometimes you
Speaker 1: and go eat McDonald's. This motherfucker had fruit water. He
Speaker 1: was already ahead of the curb before all of us.
Speaker 1: But but actually going on the team and watching this
Speaker 1: motherfucker and how he go how he went about this day.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I don't see how you do
Speaker 1: it like this motherfucker will wake up at five, workout
Speaker 1: with his strength and conditioning coach, get there early to
Speaker 1: the gym, be the first person, enough blasting whatever new
Speaker 1: music is that working out. That motherfucker practice harder than
Speaker 1: the motherfucker, get shots up with his teammates, get treatment,
Speaker 1: Probably have a motherfucker commercial to go do, find time
Speaker 1: to go home, you know, spend a couple of hours,
Speaker 1: half dinner with the family. Hey, perk, what you're doing
Speaker 1: now that I ain't doing? Ship? Hey, come over, let's
Speaker 1: watch this game. All right? Cool, I'm over there. Go
Speaker 1: to watch the game with him. Pull up, he getting
Speaker 1: treatment again. Same thing on the road, like we're in
Speaker 1: five star steakhouses. This motherfucker got his training with him
Speaker 1: getting ice and steam or whatever. It was. Barred than him.
Speaker 1: And he had a he had a rule like ship,
Speaker 1: he was going to bed at ten thirty. He didn't
Speaker 1: give a funk when nobody was talking about ten thirty
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock. He's shutting it down. And so I'm watching
Speaker 1: how this motherfucker basically got a schedule like the president,
Speaker 1: the sacrifice, and he putting in that nobody to see
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, And I'm like, Ship, this is why
Speaker 1: this motherfucker who he is. Like, this is why he
Speaker 1: this is why who he is. So when people say, yeah,
Speaker 1: he invested two million dollars in his body, hell yeah,
Speaker 1: because I was front row and I saw that ship.
Speaker 1: This motherfucker was was getting it in man, Like you know,
Speaker 1: I got much. I had another love respect for how
Speaker 1: he conducted himself and how he handled himself, for as
Speaker 1: with the media, for as with with with how you
Speaker 1: move and how you travel, how you know, he was
Speaker 1: still interacting. This motherfucker go down and play cards like
Speaker 1: a motherfucker he gonna do, you know, he'll cool, motherfucker.
Speaker 1: But when he get in front of the cameras, he
Speaker 1: knew he was. You know, he's an icon and he
Speaker 1: had that own it off switch like no one else
Speaker 1: I've ever seen their life. That's what did you see
Speaker 1: in the young a d over in New Orleans. Man,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie. I got there, man, I said, Man,
Speaker 1: this motherfucker is different. He's one of one. He might be.
Speaker 1: I haven't saw anybody like him since probably kg that
Speaker 1: that could do what he'd do for us. Bringing on
Speaker 1: the court, he didn't have that. He don't have that
Speaker 1: raw rod tenacity, but he had. I'm talking about the game,
Speaker 1: the handles, the offensive package. And the first thing I
Speaker 1: said was like, man, this city ain't big enough for him.
Speaker 1: That motherfucker got to get up out of here. I was.
Speaker 1: I was thinking that from the jump, like ship A
Speaker 1: d gotta get somewhere where, because you know, he had
Speaker 1: his own shoe line out. I was like, man, d
Speaker 1: gotta get so well that that he's gonna be able
Speaker 1: to be marketable because he is, and have those those
Speaker 1: bright lights really shine on him for for people to
Speaker 1: really know his value because while he was in New Orleans,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people, not us as basketball peers,
Speaker 1: but the casuals we underappreciated with Anthony Davis brought to
Speaker 1: the table because of the market that he was in.
Speaker 1: So when you get a chance to kind of reflect
Speaker 1: on your career, I'm gonna list some names of players
Speaker 1: you play with. I'm sure there's more, but either some
Speaker 1: of the top players just tell me what you when
Speaker 1: you when you get a chance to reflect, you think
Speaker 1: you gotta play with Paul Pierce, Kander Garden, that Ray
Speaker 1: Island Region, Rondo, Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrooks, James Harden, Lebron,
Speaker 1: James Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis down you get a
Speaker 1: chance but to look back and reflect on all that,
Speaker 1: what what do you what comes to mind? Ship? I
Speaker 1: was a motherfucking male grouping hoping. I'm just saying those
Speaker 1: blessed to play with that many hall of famous man.
Speaker 1: The one thing I would I say that I never did, though,
Speaker 1: is I never took playing with the motherfucker's for granted.
Speaker 1: I never took it for granted. I always cherished that moment.
Speaker 1: And I was okay with being Mr. Three points and
Speaker 1: folk rebounds because I had some bad motherfucker's I played with,
Speaker 1: and I knew my role, you know, and so man,
Speaker 1: it was just it was a blessing, man, just to
Speaker 1: see different types at different ages, you know, with KG
Speaker 1: Paul and Ray was kind of older, then watching Russing
Speaker 1: and James and and and uh Katie as they were
Speaker 1: young sters, and then going watch how Lebron conducted himself
Speaker 1: going with a d and I also played with the
Speaker 1: old school Gary Payton and was shack team made for
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know what I'm saying. So it's
Speaker 1: just like, man, I got to watch that. And then
Speaker 1: when you look at Paul, you know, I feel like
Speaker 1: Paul is under appreciate the man in my eyes because
Speaker 1: killer man people don't. He was a killer man. And
Speaker 1: look just think about this, and oh eight, when we
Speaker 1: had to go when we won that motherfucking ring man,
Speaker 1: Paul ain't back down to now, motherfucker. He he had
Speaker 1: to go through Joe Johnson the first round. We all
Speaker 1: know about ice old Joe and what he did with
Speaker 1: the Hawks and how he was on the towel. Next
Speaker 1: next round he had to face uh, he had to
Speaker 1: face who we saw in the second round. Oh, he
Speaker 1: had to face Lebron James. Him and Braun went there
Speaker 1: all the way to a Game seven were Braun and
Speaker 1: him going toe to toe. Then we went against the
Speaker 1: Pistons Chauncey, Tayshawn Prince and Rip Hamilton's. Paul held his
Speaker 1: owning in that series. And then to end up and
Speaker 1: go against the late great Kobe Bryant and when that
Speaker 1: ring get the Celtic and Laker robbery in the finals
Speaker 1: and come out finals m v P. That's a hell
Speaker 1: of a motherfucking running just saying, especially to say especially ship.
Speaker 1: He at the top of all the motherfucking categories in
Speaker 1: the Celtic franchise books. So you know, people just don't
Speaker 1: give Paul enough credit because they see Paul as the analysts.
Speaker 1: But if these this younger generation go back and watch
Speaker 1: Paul in his younger motherfucking days when when Shaq gave
Speaker 1: him the name truth Man, they got pet fucked up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was one of my hardest guards for Shore, no question.
Speaker 1: Two questions on that front. Who who did you enjoy
Speaker 1: playing against the most? And who was your who you
Speaker 1: look forward to garden? Who I look forward to? Garden
Speaker 1: was y'all mean? Y'all mean was a motherfucker. See, people
Speaker 1: don't understand man. Y'all me was seven six and had
Speaker 1: really offensively he didn't have no flaws because he could
Speaker 1: shoot the fift tea, could face up, he was strong,
Speaker 1: drop stuff, Yeah you're dunk on you and all that ship.
Speaker 1: He was a challenger and so I used to want
Speaker 1: that match up one oh one to see why I
Speaker 1: was there, especially when we played in Houston. Going back
Speaker 1: to the crib, well, motherfucker had to buy a hundred
Speaker 1: tickets for family and friends. I'm damn so not about
Speaker 1: to get shown up. So that was one of my
Speaker 1: biggest challenges. But that I that I used to look
Speaker 1: forward to because I wanted to see what it was like.
Speaker 1: I wanted to see what it was, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I held my own, but man, I ain't
Speaker 1: got a lot of biggest challenge for me was going
Speaker 1: against zebo dog Zach Randall because I I ain't have
Speaker 1: two motherfucker's that was ready to go back at me
Speaker 1: like that talk ship and a fight and a and
Speaker 1: a fight went with that, like motherfucker, we could be
Speaker 1: the back by the bus. So so yeah, so it
Speaker 1: was different from me. So I'm like ship, This motherfucker
Speaker 1: ain't backing down. He talking ship as motherfucker about it.
Speaker 1: Just as heavy and strong as I am. And I
Speaker 1: always had problems, so I started. He was the only guy, no,
Speaker 1: no bullshit. He was the only guy that I actually
Speaker 1: fronted on the post and denied so he wouldn't get
Speaker 1: the ball. M No. Zach was Zach was a walking
Speaker 1: double double and ten. So now since you've made a
Speaker 1: successful transition into media, like I said, said being one
Speaker 1: of the most prominent voices. Why is this so important
Speaker 1: for you that utilize your voice and your platform not
Speaker 1: only in sports, but just in the in in in
Speaker 1: What do I want to say in the current climate
Speaker 1: of our country. Well, well, first of all, I just followed.
Speaker 1: I followed, I followed Jack Lee, I followed everybody to
Speaker 1: leave because I'll tell you something, man like jumping into
Speaker 1: that that that media space and you you're talking about basketball.
Speaker 1: It's so much for me to learn that I gotta
Speaker 1: learn for is when it comes down to in social
Speaker 1: justice and how to approach things. So one thing a
Speaker 1: motherfucker can't do is to of me what to say.
Speaker 1: So you know, especially in the world to day, we
Speaker 1: have the right, every right in the world now to
Speaker 1: speak our voice. And it be times that I can't
Speaker 1: get out there. Uh you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: see Jack traveling and part of me I need to
Speaker 1: beat up. But I'm over here with my wife and
Speaker 1: my four kids trying to make this living. And Jack
Speaker 1: could tell you, Matt Ship, I didn't hear them up
Speaker 1: like a look, I can't beat up, bro, but Ship,
Speaker 1: let me know what I could donate to or whatever
Speaker 1: the case may be. But I feel like it's definitely
Speaker 1: important with me. With me having a platform, the least
Speaker 1: I could do is speak on ship. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is the least I could do is speak
Speaker 1: on ship and say, you know what, a man, that
Speaker 1: ship ain't right. This motherfucker ain't the right person. Tell
Speaker 1: motherfucker on how I feel. Use this platform. I don't
Speaker 1: have a million followers, but I got enough followers that
Speaker 1: I could affect some motherfucker life and say something out there.
Speaker 1: So you know, that's what I pushed for. Man. And
Speaker 1: here's the crazy is the thing is that the thing
Speaker 1: that I don't like the most about what's going on
Speaker 1: is in our world for is like especially in the
Speaker 1: African American community, is that we tend to judge one another,
Speaker 1: and that ain't cool. Like my thing is is that
Speaker 1: long as we're all fighting for the right cause and
Speaker 1: everybody hardest in the right place, support your brother and
Speaker 1: whatever that he's doing. Don't judge your motherfucker about how
Speaker 1: he's going about doing something. And I tell people that
Speaker 1: about any person, whether it's Jack, whether it's Brown, whether
Speaker 1: it's you man or whoever, how they're doing it. Let
Speaker 1: them do it how they want to do it, because
Speaker 1: they are. At the end of the day, we're all
Speaker 1: fighting for the same cause. I don't give a funk
Speaker 1: what it is. Let them do it how they do it.
Speaker 1: Long as you know their motherfucker's hard is in the
Speaker 1: right place. I'm cool with that. And people and people
Speaker 1: be so quick, Oh man, why why he's so outspoken,
Speaker 1: Why he's doing this? Goddamn If that man want to
Speaker 1: use his motherfucking platform and be out spoken about ship
Speaker 1: that need to be talked about, motherfucker, let him do it.
Speaker 1: Found the funk back just because he ain't. Just because
Speaker 1: he ain't doing it, Joe, motherfucking way, don't mean it
Speaker 1: ain't right. No. Let let Jack be Jack, Let Matt
Speaker 1: be Matt. Let everybody be who everybody, long as we
Speaker 1: fight for the same right cause, and you can see
Speaker 1: a motherfucking hardest in the right place, let them do them. Man,
Speaker 1: I can, I can. I probably ran out of fingers
Speaker 1: count how many times out the same perk on ESPN,
Speaker 1: you know, basically, cut the show off and give me
Speaker 1: props of what I've been doing. But I think I
Speaker 1: appreciate it. But I think the thing with me is
Speaker 1: I don't care who get credit. You know what I'm saying, people,
Speaker 1: it's too many people worrying about who get credit for change,
Speaker 1: and we all want to We all fight for the
Speaker 1: same thing, so it don't matter who the face of it,
Speaker 1: It don't matter who get credit for it, as long
Speaker 1: as we all fight for the same thing. And we
Speaker 1: compete too much in our race. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We compete entirely too much, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And that's some of the biggest problems that's holding us back.
Speaker 1: Bro That ship don't make no damn sense, man. And
Speaker 1: like I told people, I said, I'll be telling people
Speaker 1: about you all the time, Stackers, that people don't understand
Speaker 1: your relationship with George Floyd God rest his soul, man.
Speaker 1: People don't understand that relationship. And sometimes you don't know
Speaker 1: what level you would take it to until that ship
Speaker 1: really hit home, hit close to home, and then you
Speaker 1: don't know, you don't know what where to push that
Speaker 1: button for you to take it to a whole another
Speaker 1: level where it's like, now, funk that fun. Everything I'm
Speaker 1: doing right now, I'm gonna stand for this motherfucking ship
Speaker 1: until you hit close to home. And I always say,
Speaker 1: we always live in the world of thinking ship can't
Speaker 1: happen to us, or ship can't happen to people that's
Speaker 1: close to us, and we need to quit doing that
Speaker 1: because ship could happen to us. Bro real, don't wait
Speaker 1: to hit your daughter up. That's why I think has
Speaker 1: shown us all right, man, but this has been an
Speaker 1: amazing interview. Man, but we're coming down. Appreciate to our
Speaker 1: quick hitters, Jack start him off with the quick hitters. Alright,
Speaker 1: top five big man of all time in your opinion.
Speaker 1: Oh you gotta you gotta put Shack in though you
Speaker 1: gotta put Shack, you gotta put Areem. Uh, you gotta
Speaker 1: put Bill Russell. See here's the tricky part. Here's the
Speaker 1: tricky point. When it comes down with me. I ain't
Speaker 1: never out of respect. You gotta put Will Chamberlain. And
Speaker 1: I never saw a Whill chamber You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I never saw he did score a hundred points and
Speaker 1: his numbers was insane. And when I think they think
Speaker 1: not to cut you off real quick, perk. My whole
Speaker 1: thing with with the chamber and thing obviously respect is
Speaker 1: paid because his numbers were video game numbers. But I
Speaker 1: just think the average talent back then wasn't you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like to me, I think he still
Speaker 1: would have been a really good player if you got
Speaker 1: to play with other mountains like Shock and Elijah Wan
Speaker 1: and Mourning and you Wing and all these other dudes
Speaker 1: that are similar to his size. But he never really
Speaker 1: got that. Matt, Matt, Matt, you were talking about his
Speaker 1: hoop numbers. I wasn't talking about his hoop numbers. He
Speaker 1: was talking about that. Yeah, he's just man, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about numbers. That's top five all Alonge. Ain't nobody that
Speaker 1: motherfucker that motherfucker Will Chamblin was playing against against motherfucker's
Speaker 1: who was dubbling the ball like at one right hand man.
Speaker 1: That's why I am really so so. But then but
Speaker 1: then you got to put a key in there. That's
Speaker 1: my top five bigs. Absolutely, you can't. You can't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you plus four going to play a pickup game
Speaker 1: in the park? Who what four would you take? Retired
Speaker 1: or current players? I'm plus what you say, plus four? Right?
Speaker 1: B plus? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? You plus four going to
Speaker 1: play a pickup game in the park. Four in the park? Ship, Yeah, man, No,
Speaker 1: no bullshit. Give me me at the center, Zach rand
Speaker 1: Off at the four, give me Matt Bonds at the two,
Speaker 1: Jack at the three, motherfucking and get me uh make ship,
Speaker 1: get me round at the point. I need goals. And
Speaker 1: we're going to the motherfucking park us five. We're gonna
Speaker 1: go that motherfucker's fit right in because the punk ain't.
Speaker 1: What the first thing is is that the punk ain't
Speaker 1: about to be full of the low league motherfucker's. That's
Speaker 1: the first thing. So we already got the advantage. And two,
Speaker 1: we're gonna need some motherfucker's with one. Gonna be ready
Speaker 1: to get down and dirty and gonna be ready to
Speaker 1: scrap it. We motherfucking have to. And I need to
Speaker 1: bring folk motherfucker's that I know thised, no swinging bags.
Speaker 1: All right, here we go. One NBA played one NBA
Speaker 1: player you wish you could have played with? That you
Speaker 1: did play with. Damn that played with everybody. So I
Speaker 1: don't know how you're gonna answer this question, but name
Speaker 1: somebody that you wish you could have played with that
Speaker 1: you didn't. Oh, oh, motherfucker played with a lot of superstars.
Speaker 1: Well obviously with everybody. Now wish me and Jack could
Speaker 1: have because I fold none connection. But that's that's already known.
Speaker 1: But you know what I wish I could have played
Speaker 1: with motherfucking uh. I wish I could have played with T. Mac. Man.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie man. T. T Mac was before
Speaker 1: his time, like T Mac was borderline kad before Katie,
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying. Yeah, like you dealt
Speaker 1: with some injuries, but Mac was a motherfucker man six
Speaker 1: ten at their Too Guard. He was a motherfucker yeah.
Speaker 1: And how high off the floor, how high he jumped
Speaker 1: on his jumpers, like you could there nothing you can
Speaker 1: do with that man, get by you dunk on the
Speaker 1: whole team. Mac was a killer uh five five dinner
Speaker 1: gas ded or alive man. You know what, Kobe? Because
Speaker 1: I wanna, like you always want to know what's going
Speaker 1: on in and Kobe mine right, Like you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I wanted to know what I wanted to
Speaker 1: know what he was thinking. I wanted to know his approach.
Speaker 1: The one time I did meet him, man, it was
Speaker 1: like real mom, real motherfucker in Vegas. But Kobe uh
Speaker 1: magic because because Magic just feel like he just he
Speaker 1: got he brings so much life, Like it feels like
Speaker 1: if you're having a bad motherfucking day, he feels like
Speaker 1: he gonna be the It's that motherfucker who's gonna make
Speaker 1: you forget about everything that you motherfucker was going through
Speaker 1: and go shine some light on your motherfucking day. Um.
Speaker 1: Bill Russell, Man, Bill Russell seemed like a funny motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Every time you him on interviews, He's always talking ship
Speaker 1: to a motherfucker or saying how he would have bust.
Speaker 1: Somebody asks like I want to sit down with old
Speaker 1: school and him talk about those stories. And then number
Speaker 1: four is a guy that's playing right now. Man, he's
Speaker 1: seen I just haven't seen a seven six guy like
Speaker 1: this with this much swag. And that's that's Taco fall.
Speaker 1: Big Taco falls different. Yeah, yeah, man, Big Taco a
Speaker 1: different type of dude man. And he's interesting. Yeah dog,
Speaker 1: he dressed with swag. He'd be working on this game
Speaker 1: like he'll guard or some ship. Like, I want to
Speaker 1: know what's going on with Big Taco, So him and
Speaker 1: I want to ship. I want to I want to
Speaker 1: sit down man with Dame Dollar Dog. Dame Dollars seemed
Speaker 1: like a real motherfucker dog dame dollars a motherfucker like
Speaker 1: I just want to kick it with, pick his brain
Speaker 1: and see what he talked about. Going to laugh him him,
Speaker 1: drop them bars and ship. That's it though, Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: last last question? All right? Who didn't want to see
Speaker 1: on all the smoke? But before you answer this question
Speaker 1: you're answer, you have to help us with your answer.
Speaker 1: Shop ain't been along the smoke? Um, Yes, he yes,
Speaker 1: he has, Yes he has. You damn right, you damn
Speaker 1: he came to the interview, He came to the interview
Speaker 1: with damn right, you're damn right he was on that motherfucker. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of ship. Y'all didn't have all
Speaker 1: the powerful motherfucker's on. No, not not real talk though, ship.
Speaker 1: Who would I? Who would? I want to see y'all
Speaker 1: your ain with man. You know what I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: this and this gonna fuck y'all head up. I want
Speaker 1: to see y'all dive deep with a motherfucker who didn't
Speaker 1: lost a lot of respect with me. I want to
Speaker 1: see y'all bring him on. Matt Steve, my brother's, my partners,
Speaker 1: my family. I want you to bring on Jason Whitlock,
Speaker 1: Bring on Jason Whitlock and y'all too, and I want
Speaker 1: to hear that conversation I wanted. I want you to,
Speaker 1: motherfucker's to put your private side because y'all feel the
Speaker 1: same way I feel about them. Bring him own and
Speaker 1: I know, bring him on and you too, motherfucker's have
Speaker 1: in death conversation. Put you'all private side, and get the
Speaker 1: audience big perkon what they want. I want to hear
Speaker 1: that motherfucker conversation because y'all, look, I feel I feel
Speaker 1: the same way. The question that we're gonna do it,
Speaker 1: the question is he gonna do it? He talked so
Speaker 1: much he ain't on, but he won't. He's gonna put
Speaker 1: himself in that line of fire. He's not gonna put
Speaker 1: himself in that line of five. He might do it.
Speaker 1: He might do it virtually. He might do it like this.
Speaker 1: He might he might do it virtually. He's doing virtually
Speaker 1: because you know, a motherfucker can't put them pause on
Speaker 1: them over through the motherfucker. Let's say. That's that's why
Speaker 1: I got a lot of respect for I got a
Speaker 1: lot of respect for him. As far as you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying opening, opening the door, and give me
Speaker 1: the opportunity on the show. But on this show, Matta
Speaker 1: tell you man, Matt have been on the show that together.
Speaker 1: On his show, we never I never agree with nothing
Speaker 1: he said, because it seemed like he went on he
Speaker 1: went the opposite against us on purpose, purpose and purpose
Speaker 1: and and and see. That's why I think. That's why
Speaker 1: I think bringing him mold would be great. That's why
Speaker 1: I think it would be great. Like, motherfucker, let's let's
Speaker 1: have a sit down. Let's keep it one hunted, motherfucker,
Speaker 1: what's up, what's happening? That's on your mom? Here we go.
Speaker 1: I'd rather bring Derek on the show. All right, man,
Speaker 1: Well perk man, thank you man. This is one of
Speaker 1: the most entertaining we had. You know, I think it's crazy, hey,
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