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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and Our Heart Radio in partnership with Showtime. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back Man, season two of All the Smoke. We got

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Speaker 1: a real special, guys. What's up with your brodyach with

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Speaker 1: the virtual handshake? I'm gonna tell you that I never

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Speaker 1: told him back. I want to All the Smoke. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to another episode of All the Smoke. I'm frustrating

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Speaker 1: and now I can't even lie to you. To me

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Speaker 1: an hour to get my ship set up, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: be I'm just letting you know now I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: smoking this episode almost through my computer. But we're back Jack.

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Speaker 1: What's happing out there in Atlanta? Bro? You good? Hey?

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Speaker 1: My boy's the crazy day earlier started off with me

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Speaker 1: now you but look, we made it and it's the episode.

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Speaker 1: Somebody we've been wanting on our show must the episode,

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Speaker 1: So go ahead introduce my little bro man Man. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Show Man, one of the hottest voices in

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Speaker 1: sports right now, uh NBA champion and our brother Kendrick Perkins.

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Speaker 1: Bro Welcome to the showy Man. Look, I'm so motherfucking

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Speaker 1: happy to be on here with some real motherfucker's before

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Speaker 1: before we even get started. Man, I gotta tell y'all, boy,

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Speaker 1: you motherfucker's it's something serious. You hit me. You motherfucker's

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Speaker 1: doing big things. No real talk, real talking, man, because

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Speaker 1: look what y'all did in this year span all the

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Speaker 1: accolades and ship. Man. I applaud that ship I watched

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Speaker 1: from a distance. Y'all don't even realize you two guys

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Speaker 1: is the reason that I even got into the media,

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Speaker 1: because y'all bought that authentacy, that real ship, while I

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Speaker 1: was like, hold on, all right, if stat who raised

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Speaker 1: me since about the age of fourteen, If he don't

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Speaker 1: here and he's speaking that real ship. Hell a country

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Speaker 1: boy from both my tax Texas slash PA Texas because

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Speaker 1: my wife from p A. I was actually born at

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Speaker 1: p A. I was just adopted in both. Mate, I said,

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Speaker 1: I can go on this motherfucking speak, this old country

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Speaker 1: broken English too, funk. I ain't trying to look up Look,

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Speaker 1: I ain't even I ain't trying to look up no

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Speaker 1: words in the cyclopede. You ain't trying to do nothing

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Speaker 1: that if I, if I, if I started, if I started,

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Speaker 1: motherfucking you understand what I'm talking about. Man, it's like

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Speaker 1: Eagles classes motherucking basketball talked much, right. I mean, with

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Speaker 1: with everything you just said, coming from where you came from,

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Speaker 1: the route you took, did you ever think you would

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Speaker 1: be one of the strongest voices in the basketball community

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Speaker 1: right now? I mean you're you're right at the top

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Speaker 1: of the game. You're on every single ESPN show. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure they're giving you some good bread. Did you ever

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Speaker 1: think this was possible now now? To be honest, man,

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Speaker 1: I actually got into this media ship man because you know,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't ready to retire, right and I was forced

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Speaker 1: to retire. So it's almost something like what's next. I

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Speaker 1: always kind of wanted to jump into the coaching. I

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Speaker 1: actually wanted to be the next coach that was a

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Speaker 1: big man, the next head coach that was a big

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Speaker 1: that played in the game, because I feel like, man,

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Speaker 1: So ithing like, how can I do that. Let me

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Speaker 1: get on on on TV and just speak basketball, you know,

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Speaker 1: get my voice out there, and let me go to

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Speaker 1: the combined coach, maybe I take these baby steps. Turned out,

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Speaker 1: I started liking this media ship, and I'm like, hold on,

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Speaker 1: I get to come on here. I get to come

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Speaker 1: basketball anyway, Stack and tell you that, man, I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: blue in front of the TV twining folks. Seven. The

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Speaker 1: only thing my wife would divorced me of is because

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Speaker 1: I'm married to the game, right, So I'm gonna watch

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Speaker 1: that real talk, real talk. That's the only that's the

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Speaker 1: only beef she had with a motherfucker. Goddamn, you got

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Speaker 1: basketball on this motherfucker. You watch your basketball the funk like.

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Speaker 1: But it's all good. So what happened was, man, my

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Speaker 1: first year I worked for free. I didn't I didn't

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Speaker 1: get paid for not a single show I was doing, Fox, ESPN,

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Speaker 1: all those networks. The only thing that they paid for

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Speaker 1: So I just try to go on there be myself.

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be nobody else. I'm just trying

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Speaker 1: to be perfect. We'll get back, we'll get what. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk more about that. But obviously a tumultionalist. Um, what

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Speaker 1: the one thing I learned is to to make sure

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Speaker 1: and and and y'all know this ship, it just be

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Speaker 1: certain times I just hit y'all, send y'all text Hey man,

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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about y'all. I sent this to Jack

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Speaker 1: all the time. And I know he be busy because

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Speaker 1: I'll be watching it, traveling, touching all these communities, and

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Speaker 1: to tell you, man that I'm praying for you because

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of motherfucker's who stood on the

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Speaker 1: my brother, that's all I'd be wanting him to know,

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Speaker 1: is that hey, big perk over here. Man. I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: praying every single day just to make sure you're safe.

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Speaker 1: I and I and I appreciate that I get thought

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Speaker 1: and he ain't lying. Man. I remember, I definitely remember

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Speaker 1: when I first went down in Minnesota and uh, he

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Speaker 1: had text me once or twice and I couldn't get

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Speaker 1: had to televise. But I've been getting your text you know,

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Speaker 1: I've been on the mode. But that's one person, along

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Speaker 1: with Matten and several other people that I can say.

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Speaker 1: He's one person that I always checked up on me

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Speaker 1: during this whole time. Man. And to have support from

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Speaker 1: your little brothers, you know, guys, you can sell your

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Speaker 1: something right. Absolutely definitely. Thoughts on the NBA support and

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Speaker 1: support them? May you know what, I actually I actually

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Speaker 1: is in great hands. When you look at this younger generation,

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Speaker 1: guys like Kylerie, guys like Jalen Brown, Matin Brockden, like,

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Speaker 1: these motherfucker's before the time man, And I applaud this

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Speaker 1: see the younger generation, the current players who don't have

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Speaker 1: Do you think we're gonna be able to get through

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Speaker 1: the season at the rate we're going? Yeah? I feel

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Speaker 1: counsel right, So you know, you you we knew this

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Speaker 1: coming into the season. It wasn't gonna be perfect, but

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Speaker 1: everybody's safety is first. But I love it because if

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Speaker 1: it's contact trades, then they have to, you know, postpone

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Speaker 1: at is get more players on the roster, like right now,

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Speaker 1: in the jerseys. That's a great point. I like that. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, the beginning season with all these games being missed.

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Speaker 1: You know we're covering with some of these recover from

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Speaker 1: fucking sports. All right. When he took over, I watched

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Speaker 1: We're going through a pandemic. Right. The one thing and

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Speaker 1: I saw you tweet this, Jack, you and Matt, I

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Speaker 1: testing for marijuana. And rightfully so, Man, motherfucker's going through

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Speaker 1: I look at Adam silver When I look at Adam

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Speaker 1: silver Man, I'm like, you know, this is the first

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Speaker 1: time that I've ever seen the Players Association and the

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Speaker 1: while you stopped smoking. Oh, Ship Zack, So look, you

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Speaker 1: know me, goddamnit, man, Ship, You know what the motherfucker

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Speaker 1: so so Ship the motherfucker. Uh So, I'm smoking a

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Speaker 1: undispute it now. Mind, I tell you I smoked the

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Speaker 1: night before, but I mean Cali, you know the calaween

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Speaker 1: something he's really about that yeah, he could play. Now.

421
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 1: I love what they're doing. And when I said crucial cold,

422
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 1: not in a bad way. And looks just looks like

423
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 1: they figured the game out. They understand what is. They

424
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 1: know it starts on the defensive end, and they have

425
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,479
Speaker 1: enough offensive firepower to get the job done. So that's

426
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 1: what I mean by that that's out of an old school,

427
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 1: new school reff right. Now, just recently you saw a

428
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 1: shot question Donovan Mitchell on whether he was the number

429
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 1: one option to be able to get a team to

430
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 1: the finals. You saw what Karl Malone said about Zion

431
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 1: having to get in shape and play more minutes. Charles

432
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,880
Speaker 1: Barkley is always saying some crazy ship, and I think

433
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 1: the players are tired of it. You know, so we

434
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 1: were the players at one time, when we're freshly on

435
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 1: the other side. Now, what do you think about what's

436
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,120
Speaker 1: going on between this old school new school ship? Man?

437
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 1: This this is I feel all right. You're talking to

438
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 1: guy that was on shack in the food damn that

439
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 1: every week. Here I think I got. I think I

440
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 1: got two motherfucking m vps and shocking the fool. Right.

441
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, guess what, my

442
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: kids still laugh at me about this ship. I don't

443
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 1: give a fuck. Even when I was playing, I was

444
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 1: not sensitive to that ship. Man. You know why, because

445
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 1: when you signed up for the NBA, you signed up

446
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 1: for the fortune and the motherfucking fame. Whether it's good

447
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: or bad, you signed up for the fortune in the fame.

448
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,919
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. That that I don't like is like, Okay,

449
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 1: sometimes you may not agree with Charles is saying that.

450
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: Sometimes you may not agree with Shaq said. But at

451
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 1: the end of the day, Bro, I was making the

452
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: most I ever made was ten million dollars a year.

453
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: I'd be damn if I gave a funk with somebody

454
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: had to say with me about me. I was still

455
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 1: going to bed with the A C on sixty and

456
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: the fan blowing in my face. I just I just

457
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: don't understand how, how, how now like why these guys

458
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: so sensitive to motherfucker's talking about basketball. That's why I knew, Hey,

459
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: look a motherfucker knew not to bless me as a

460
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: franchise player. Give me a hundred and twenty million and

461
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,360
Speaker 1: a two hundred million dollar shoe contract. Man. I wouldn't

462
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: give a damn what the motherfucker was saying about be

463
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: saying about me, like it's basketball, man, you signed up

464
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: for this ship. But on the flip side, I'm looking

465
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: at it and I'm like, like addressing the Donovan Mitchell

466
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: situation right with Shaq. People were so quick to jump

467
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 1: on Shock, but I I looked at the whole interview,

468
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 1: and shock started off saying, you're one of my favorite players.

469
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 1: And when he started off saying that, I said, okay,

470
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 1: And then he asked them he said, I feel like

471
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: you can't get it done, or you can't you're not

472
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 1: the one to get them over the top. And I

473
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: said it on purpose. To me, that was just challenging

474
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: him to see what was what was gonna because y'all

475
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: knows it's how we rolled. We would have been like,

476
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 1: Shack man ship, what we're gonna show your motherfucking ask

477
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 1: watch what we do. We getting back in the lab,

478
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: but we're gonna prove a motherfucker wrong. I think he

479
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 1: was just trying to challenge Donovan to the point of saying,

480
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: now I'm an elevating show you. That's all Shack was doing,

481
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: and people took it all the way to the level

482
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 1: the man said, you're my favorite player. Now I'm gonna

483
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: tell you. What I don't like is that, like for example,

484
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 1: with him with Shock, with the incident with Rudy Gobert,

485
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: right like he's saying, how Rudy got two hundred two

486
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: hundred million, that's Jack's favorite player. Before we get going

487
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: that's ahead. Look I don't like that, not Look but

488
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 1: he's not He's not mine either, But he did make

489
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 1: I think he made the All NBA. He did qualify

490
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: for the super Max One. Thing I came now but

491
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: not is I want every motherfucking player to get it

492
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: as much dollars as they possibly can, because although it's

493
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: entertainment to the rest of the world, it's a jog

494
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: to the players, and the first thing is to get

495
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: your motherucking lettuce. So I don't know what that's just

496
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: how it always yeah, man, So that's that's the only

497
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: thing I don't be feeling when they'd be saying, you

498
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: know how this motherfucker got hundred million now, like now,

499
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: let these motherfucker's get their bread. That's the only thing

500
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: I'll be on other than that motherfucker's need to quit

501
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: being sensitive, like how hate would be sensitive to me

502
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: on some of the things that I was saying, calling

503
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,239
Speaker 1: me a sellout and all that ship. I'm like, bro,

504
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: we're talking motherfucking basketball. And the last thing that I

505
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: am as a motherfucking sellout and part of me, part

506
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: of me, the Southeast Texas Phone nine and me is

507
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: when I went on TV that day, it happened to

508
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: be June Tea I really wanted to address Katie like

509
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: the numbers on the house, but I had to remember

510
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: what it what what what it was. I had to

511
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: remember what it was. Man, it was June Tea and

512
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: I and I really felt that way, like Katie, Man,

513
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: stop playing man, me and you made me and you

514
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: in the hotel room were big kicking it Stack. He

515
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: came down to the phone nine. Well, we're in the background.

516
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: You you brought it to my mama house. We're in

517
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: the back of Miss Junie house. Yeah, in the phone nine. Man,

518
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: we're in the back. We're in the back of the

519
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: crib player playing Boutrey Man and big kicking this wagon. White.

520
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, like, don't do that to me,

521
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: the like don't do that to me. So then it's

522
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: like the other issue, you know, where he thought I

523
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: was disrespecting him by saying that Russell Westbrook was the

524
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: greatest of all time for as it for this for

525
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: as the greatest Thunder. Now, this is what I was

526
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 1: trying to explain to KD. Just because you're the greatest

527
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: player doesn't mean that you're the best player to ever

528
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: put on the Thunder uniform. And a prime example Kauai Leonard,

529
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: in my opinion, was the best player to put on

530
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: the Raptor uniform, but he's not the greatest Raptor of

531
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: all time. I would say Kyle Lowry. Some people may

532
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 1: all the argue events, but if you look at the accolades,

533
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: they match up and Kyle Larry might be better. Okay, cool, Katie,

534
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: you left that door open when you chose to go

535
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: to Golden State. You took the praise when you won,

536
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: would go to State. You gotta be able to take

537
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,239
Speaker 1: the heat when you left. Okay, See, they don't love

538
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: you like they love Russ. And a lot of people

539
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: agree to that. Russ leaves that team and every statistical category.

540
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: And when I said it on that day, I was

541
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: actually saying that because Russ was returning back to Okay See,

542
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 1: and I said, look, roll the red clumping out for him.

543
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: He's the greatest thund up all time in my opinion.

544
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: He stood there, he embraced the moment, and he capitalized

545
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 1: on I like I, I hear where you're coming from.

546
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I've also heard as a

547
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: retired player, some real bullshit sad from people. So my

548
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: whole thing is Carl and Karmenlon. I didn't hear the

549
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: full car Malone interview, but that the little snippet I

550
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: heard it was some bullshit to me. So I'm all

551
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: for to me the back and forth now because the

552
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: players have the platform too. Obviously, keep in mind we

553
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: have to understand just like you said, we signed up

554
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: for this. But still at the same time that I

555
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: look at as we're man first and foremost, you know

556
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: what I mean. So I don't I don't take well

557
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: to just straight disrespect, and I feel like sometimes some

558
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: of the even R O G o G s have

559
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: disrespected some of the players. So if you want to

560
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: get something off your chest, like Draymond and Chuck had

561
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: to get that ship off their chest and now they're great,

562
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: Like now they say they're great free like you from

563
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: what I've heard from you know, the T and T talk,

564
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I hear like they

565
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: have a real they have a real bond on the

566
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: show type ship, Like there's a good energy, is what

567
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: I meant to say. So I mean, to me, get

568
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: that ship off your chest because I kind of think

569
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: it'll always be there. Some of it is jealousy from

570
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: the older players because because of what they did. These

571
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: kids are getting paid so much, so much money. I mean,

572
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: to all due respect, I'm with Rudy Gobert getting two

573
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: getting paid, but he shouldn't have been I'm saying that,

574
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: but I'm saying he shouldn't have been the first big

575
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: man to get two hundred. Man, you can't even throw

576
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: him the ball at the end of the game and

577
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: get up. But you know, I mean someone like someone

578
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: like Elijah One. You know, someone like in b Joker,

579
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like Gobert. Don't get me wrong,

580
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: it's a great defensive anchor. I'm not taking nothing. Get

581
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: your money. But I understand where Shaq was coming from

582
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: because Shack would have killed Gobert every day, you know

583
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: what I mean. So I some of that ship is like, man,

584
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: this nig is weak type ship. But at the same time,

585
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: the game is changing, and because of what these dudes

586
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: have done, these younger players are eating off for so

587
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: I see that there's some frustration from some of the

588
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: older dudes because of how hard they worked and these

589
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: guys reaping the benefit. But that's what you really wanted.

590
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: Then the day you want to make it better than

591
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: when you you know, leave it better than when you

592
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: was there. So, like I said, I get that back

593
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,239
Speaker 1: and forth, but to me, just get this off your chest.

594
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: You've got something to say, say that if a commentator

595
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: comes at you crazy, I have no problem with the

596
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: player firing back. And I don't like when people say,

597
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: like I said, some players are sensitive, but I feel

598
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: some players like I don't like people to say like, well,

599
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: you got all this money, you shouldn't fight like nah,

600
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: Like I said first and Formo, I'm a man, you

601
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So if you're gonna disrespect me,

602
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,959
Speaker 1: I'm gonna defend my honor. And I've I've always been

603
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: that way with coaches, commentators whoever. Like if I'll take

604
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: the criticism, I'll take the heat, but if you disrespect me,

605
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: I feel like I have we have a real problem.

606
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: Well and I look mad. He Let's let me say this,

607
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: per I think too like a lot of people, just

608
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: like you said the younger player, younger players are reaping

609
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: the benefits of the older as and and some of

610
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: the stuff we've done with what we're doing now on TV,

611
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: we're reaping the benefits of some of the stuff that

612
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: was laid for us our previous players that first started

613
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: on TV. Look a wed took it to so you

614
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: gotta evolved, you know, we all evolved and we all

615
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: growing man. And and like you said, Matt, one thing

616
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: about our show that separates us. We're able to have

617
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: our guests over here disagreed, but respect stage. The respect

618
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: remains that all times. And I think and I think

619
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: that the older, the older guy, especially guys older than us,

620
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: it's a way to relate things without sounding like hating.

621
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: But nine ten times, the way they're coming across you

622
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: just sound like hating. To me. No, no, no, I

623
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: can second that, and it sound it sounds like it

624
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: sounds bitter. I'm just saying I'm not agreeing with a

625
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: lot of ship that they're saying. All I'm saying is

626
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 1: me personally. I just like certain ships that that they

627
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: talked about, like that I was talked about for his

628
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: basketball wise, I don't give two funks. But if a

629
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: motherucker came at me on something like personal ship attack

630
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: and then yeah, I gotta talk. I gotta, you know,

631
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: take up for myself. But I'm talking about basketball wise.

632
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, alright, man, whatever put me on

633
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: shock and the food here motherfucking week. Motherfucker. If that

634
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: makes you happy, I'm gonna keep it moving. But but not,

635
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: But y'all got it. But y'all got a real point though.

636
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: That's a real point though, And it shouldn't come off

637
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: as Hey, basketball talk shouldn't come off as hate all

638
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: attacking somebody personal. So I'm with you on that. Well,

639
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: let's jump back to where it started, uh Texas. You know,

640
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: you and Jack d you know how to good upbringing

641
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: or excuse me, you guys were in the same areas.

642
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: You guys met at a fourteen, same high school coach,

643
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: same high school coach to Matt, tell me about you

644
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: and Jack's bond. And when that started, ship Man Jack

645
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: Ben had a bad Jack embraced me. I remember when

646
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: Jack was hooping overseas. We had the same high school

647
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: coach and uh Man Boo his name coach and j

648
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: Bote We call him Boot and Boo used to always

649
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: say Stevie, Stevie, Stevie, and I just couldn't wait to

650
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: meet Jack. So this was my freshman year. Jack came home, Man,

651
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: and he actually came intoide Jim and hoop with us

652
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: in our high school practice and right there, ship we

653
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: in him start hitting the weights. You remember that ship,

654
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: Tell a trope, tell a truth. You was punishing me.

655
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: I came home and I didn't know he was that

656
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: damn big Uh, Matt, you know what I'm saying. I

657
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: ain't know he was at booooo. Told me had an

658
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: animal down there. He told me an animal. When I

659
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: got there, Matt, I ain't know he was seven ft

660
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: two eight and bringing the ball up the court, crossing over.

661
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: I wasn't ready for that, man, I was ship, I was.

662
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: I was still trying to figure out my damn self. Hey, look,

663
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: Steve came in. I ain't no bullshit six eight motherfucker's

664
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: sham guard and hit both. I'm like, damn boot, you

665
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: told me motherfucker was playing like the phot five when

666
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: you have him, you ain't telling this. Motherfucker had all this.

667
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: But we when that motherfucker practice and motherfucker's like it

668
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: lived up. It was a joy. And Steve don't even

669
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: know that one practice just set the tone for us

670
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: to go on and go thirty six and O and

671
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: win the championship, to keep it all the way real

672
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: because Motherfucker's was trying to stick Steve on the perimeter.

673
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: He was getting this workout, but motherfucker's was like hell long, man,

674
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: if I could kind of play against Steven Jackson, he

675
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: getting off, I ain't afraid of know, motherfucker. So that's

676
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: when we was on. And then it went on to Man.

677
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: I watched Steve Journeyman from when he went to the

678
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Nets to the San Antonio Spurs. Man. I remember

679
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: walking in the mall. Jack saw me men. Two of

680
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: my teammates, Albert Barnshing and Brandon Chapelle took us in

681
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: foot locker. Man blessed us with all types of jay's

682
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: and ship and in high school ship that was like

683
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: that was everything. So it was like that bond, that

684
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: bond was everything. Man, and I started, you know, everything

685
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: was just Steve Jackson for me, like ship. I'm watching Steve.

686
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: I watched him when he went to Brooklyn Shine Nell.

687
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: I think what Steve made the All Rookie team San Antonio.

688
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: Steve had us come down me and went down there

689
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: Washington play in the finals, went to l A. Washington

690
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: playing the finals against the Lakers, like that whole thing.

691
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: So I was like, man, I watched the grind, I

692
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: watched the step Steve went through, went to a B

693
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: C D camp, went worked out grinding there after. Motherfucker's

694
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: finished playing and ship man, here we are today. I

695
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: remember my first year in the league. Steve had something

696
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: to do, went down to his camp and p a.

697
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: Mama Julie was there. She was like, baby, Steve, gonna

698
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: be running later. Don't worry about it. I got it

699
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: right now. Steve being Thursday, I got Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,

700
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: Mama Julie come up to me like how much you? Oh?

701
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: Y'all said, what ship? You old me a damn thing?

702
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: And I ain't take a dollar a matter of fact.

703
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: I came up, Steve came up. I dropped him a

704
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: check for ten k to the foundation. Let me tell

705
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: you how ship reversed. So Steve kunning my camp. I

706
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: have a little episode. Motherfucker, I gotta, you know, get

707
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: into me and Steve about to go to jail. Me

708
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: and Steve about to go to jail. I signed the

709
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: club no bullshit act, Steve, We're about to have a

710
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 1: whole motherfucking ride started because the motherfucker was in the wrong.

711
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: Did some ship to us, and we ride. Motherfucker's hitting

712
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: us with motherfucking uh still the clubs and Ship and man,

713
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 1: Steve rode for me, Man and and and like was

714
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: there hill my camp down the next two days the banquet,

715
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: I couldn't make it there. And that's how we've been rocking. Man, Man,

716
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: we've been rocking for a while like that, like just

717
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: every time. So when I was at when I was playing,

718
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: if we weren't playing the same night Steve was playing Ship,

719
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: my motherfucking TV was watching Steve Jack. That's how motherfucker

720
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: was summertime. We go, we linked back up, we go

721
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: back home and Ship we're together. We go who We're

722
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: gonna blow that good loud and Ship we posted up. Chillen, Matt.

723
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: My my story similar, Man. I remember I remember Coach

724
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: Boutet shot the coach Boutet, I want to stay championship

725
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: with bout ninety five and uh he had Boote to

726
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: always to tell me, Man, Jack got by far the

727
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: best player I've player I've coached, you know what I mean.

728
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: And I remember him calling he was like, Man, I

729
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: remember telling people. I remember saying in the media he

730
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: was the best player I coach. But I don't know, Jack,

731
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: I got, I got something that you and me never

732
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: seen a NI Area. Before I'm like, what you got

733
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: coach to say? Jack, I got a real one. I

734
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: got a real big man that can do it all.

735
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: So you know what I'm saying. Before I met him, Matt,

736
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: I knew I was going to support him because the

737
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: relationship that men Boote had. You know what I'm saying, Um,

738
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: short story about Boote. I wanted. I wanted to stay

739
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: at Lincoln and play in my senior year, but Boote

740
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: knew that I had a career in basketball, so he

741
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: sent me to Okaia. Matt, I didn't want to go

742
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: to Okahill my mom. Coach boute pulled me aside and

743
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: my uncle and forced me to go to Oakhill. It

744
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: was the best decision I could have made. But that's

745
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: that's That's tell you about the coach Boutet. But but

746
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: he was he was just silent man. And when he

747
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: told me, when he told me about Perk, I couldn't

748
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: wait to get home to see exactly what Bootee was saying.

749
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: Because Boote brought the best out of so many layers

750
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: from my city. And uh, when I was able to

751
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: see Perk and I got a chance to play against

752
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: him and seen his size and I knew for a fact, Man,

753
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: it was no college. It was no more after his

754
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: senior high school. It was no, it was not he

755
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: was going straight to the league, man. And I was

756
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: just happy to be a part of it because during

757
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: that time, you know, a lot of people don't know

758
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: Perk lost his mother at the young age, and then

759
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: they don't know the things he went through growing up.

760
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, how strong his grandparents was.

761
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: These are the things that I that I grew to know,

762
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: you know, um from being around him and help raising him.

763
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: And then come to the point why I'm in his

764
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: wed and seeing him marry somebody from my hometown who

765
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: her family and my family are like family. You know,

766
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: it just it just all, it just all came for

767
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: a circle. Man did to see him win the championship, Matt,

768
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: And it got to the point where one day I

769
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: got real emotional because me and he was was was

770
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: course side working on finals together and Golden State, and

771
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: and I looked at and I took and I took

772
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: a pitch. I'm like, this is crazy but too young

773
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: young felled us from Port out the Texas. Look at

774
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: us both now by the same high school coach. We

775
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: made it to where we're both NBA champions, that we're

776
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: standing on ESPN together doing stuff at the basketball that

777
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: nobody thought we would do. That meant the world to me. Man,

778
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: I'm just proud of you, bro, because we we we

779
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: we we stayed. We stayed, knocking doors down and doing

780
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 1: things that people say we can do from my area.

781
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: And you motivate me to keep going. Bro. Let me

782
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: let me tell you, and I ask something to that

783
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: madness crazy because my wife was like, hello, you're going

784
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: on all the smoke? Hell yeah? She was like ship,

785
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: hell yeah, It's what I've been waiting down right. But

786
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: because you know, man, yeah, man, people don't want to Matt.

787
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: People don't understand, like literally, like Steve, Steve, what Steve

788
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: mama house, Miss Julius and my mother law house is

789
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: literally a mile away from each other. So like, but

790
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 1: the upbringing from my brother in laws to to Donnie.

791
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Donnie is my motherfucking brother

792
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: for show, Like that's my that's my boy. But let

793
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: me tell y'all, let me tell y'all what Steve say.

794
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: It's crazy because we got a lot of fans and

795
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: we got a lot of people that support us from

796
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: our area, but man, we got some motherfucking haters. And

797
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you how. Let me tell you and

798
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: it's it's it's real ship because I'm gonna tell you this,

799
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: so like, it just tell you how motherfucker's be trying

800
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: to come between people. It's like, so when y'all started

801
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: all the smoke last year, I'm like, hell yeah, y'all

802
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: getting it, getting it going great. Guests on that motherfucker's

803
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: motherfucker's like, man, why stack ain't got you on? Ye?

804
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: And I'm like, motherfucker relaxed, man, relaxed, motherfucker. Let the

805
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: motherfucker's motherfucker's ship going first, man. But it just shows you.

806
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: It just shows you how motherfucker's are and how they

807
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: try to come between motherfucker's. But they weren't coming between

808
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: me and Jack. I don't give a fun what nobody

809
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: was saying, because at the end of the day, guess

810
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: what if I would have if I would have been on,

811
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: if I would have came on all the smoke three

812
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: years from now, I would have been as happy as

813
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: the from right now. So and then the day you

814
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: can't tell me, but because I haven't been on there yet.

815
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: What my love is for my brother now, motherfucker, you

816
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: could miss me with that ship. Matter fact, the same

817
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: motherfucker's saying that I'm gonna block you right nine, move

818
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: alone because I ain't with that bullshit. But that's how

819
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: much no real talk, because that's how my motherfucker's are talking. Mother. Yeah,

820
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: but David, but but but they you know from my city, man,

821
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: they tried for years to pay that's against each other,

822
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But we always supported each other.

823
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: They always tried to pay us a perk, this Steve

824
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: doing that, but they but we never let that happen,

825
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. We always kept for United

826
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: front man. So all that ship was sept for nothing.

827
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: That's big. That's big. Um. So, like Jack said, he

828
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: knew there was no college for you. When did you

829
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: know you had a real chance to jump to the league,

830
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: Because I don't think a lot of people realize that

831
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: you was your last year of the year after you

832
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: with the last year they could jump. Uh, it was

833
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: two years after me. So I went to I went

834
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: to a B C D camp I was on. I

835
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 1: was playing for the Houston Hoops, which was a Nike team.

836
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: You know, Jack played for it. I followed his the

837
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: same motherfucking advice our high school is coach Boute gave him.

838
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: He gave me the same damn advice. I'm gonna Maz,

839
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do what's best for you. So he like,

840
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: you going too this Adidas camp. So I win that motherfucker.

841
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: Matt and I took. Steve was there and I told

842
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: that bitch up, like I told that motherfucker up. I

843
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: left out of the number one ranked player of the

844
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: whole camp. Now that's what Lebron James. This is my

845
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: sophomore year, Lenny Cook, all the white Sebastian tail, I

846
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: left either there on paper, the number one player leaving

847
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: out of that camp. And from then, from then, we didn't,

848
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: we didn't know. We didn't. We didn't have social media.

849
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: So motherfucker was going to the motherfucking Dell on the

850
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: computer to look up rankings, to look up to look

851
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: at the my Draft and all that ships. Or as

852
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: a sophomore, I started seeing my name being involved with

853
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: the my Draft. I'm like, hold on, I got a

854
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: chance to get drafted. They had me going like second round.

855
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: So my junior year, I come out. We're playing We're

856
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: playing Central by my Central Robbery game in City game.

857
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: I come out. I come out with Sam Presty from

858
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: the Spurs, b J. Armstrong from the Bulls, and I

859
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: forgot his name, but he was a scout for for

860
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: the Washington Wizards, sitting courtside at the table when I

861
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: go out for warm ups, and I'm like, man, what

862
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: the funk you know I boot do? He don't even

863
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 1: tell you about it. So I go out there and

864
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, hold on, man, it's really NBA scouts down

865
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: here in both my Texas. I put a forty one

866
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 1: in that motherfucker right So I'm like, not really talk.

867
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: I'm snatching the screws out of everything. I'm dunking the

868
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: funk out the bitch yelling, I'm doing it all funk

869
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: all this ship. So man, right there, right then I

870
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: started seeing man, certain ships, certain ships started coming along

871
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: with like, you know, every year I was moving up,

872
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: there was like perk could go for uh first round.

873
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: My senior year, they was like Perk could be a

874
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: late first round, early second round. And then you know,

875
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: I met Sonny for Cairo, who who was huge and

876
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: thedda's market. You got damn right, and uh he started

877
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: putting me in a position man. And I worked out

878
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: for three to four teams Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and Boston,

879
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: and I got four guarantees. Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio

880
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: had the last three picks of the first round and

881
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: Boston had the twenty pick. With the second round, I

882
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: mean first round. I went to Boston. I killed Brian

883
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: Cook in the workout, who was the national player of

884
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: the year. That yeah, I killed him, like, went to

885
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: work on that motherfucker. Danny was like, hold on, we

886
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: need you to stay another day, and so I stayed

887
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: another day. He told Boots now that I was getting

888
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: dra that they was gonna take me with the pick.

889
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: The motherfucker's never said a word to me. This was

890
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: at mate. The whole time. I'm nervous as hell. Man.

891
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,479
Speaker 1: They just telling me, you gotta keep working. We gotta

892
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: wait for some more phone calls. The whole time they

893
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: knew I'm getting drafted. So man, the draft night come,

894
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: motherfucker's still don't tell me nothing. They're sitting there, calm.

895
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: I'm in this motherfucker like, Man, I ain't got no

896
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: motherfucking guarantee. But they come in with some cell to

897
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: gil on, so I'm like hold on. So as the

898
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: pigs going, it's what ended up happening. They trade the

899
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: motherfucking picks to the Memphis picks because the Memphis one,

900
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 1: I mean Boston, wanted to make sure they grabbed Marcus Banks,

901
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: and they end up picking me with the twenty seven

902
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 1: pick man, And that's how I end up getting drafted.

903
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you motherfucker's boots. They had me skipping

904
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: senior skill day. On day he let me go to

905
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 1: was prom man. Motherfucker had me going there at five

906
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: in the morning, running the track, making sure my weight

907
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: was down, you know, because my mama died when I

908
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: was five. She was shotting killed about being friend, you know.

909
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: So my mama died when I was five. My daddy

910
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: bounced and went overseas. So I was raised by my

911
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: grandfather and my grandmother. My grandfather was making three hundred

912
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: dollars a month, my grandmother was making forty dollars a

913
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: week being a maid. My grandfather cleaned up the church.

914
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: My motivation was was that I gotta get them out

915
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 1: this situation. So the first thing I did when I

916
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: got my check. I brought them a motherfucking crib before

917
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: I bought myself a house. So you're a Boston Celtic

918
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 1: at seventeen years old, one of the most historical franchises

919
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: in the history of the game. What's going through your mind?

920
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: Now you made You're there, haven't made it, but you there.

921
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 1: I'm never I don't know what's going through my mind.

922
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: Like at that time, I'm just happy I made it

923
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: to the league. So I'm so I'm so country. You

924
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Stacker, tell you it's motherfucking you know.

925
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 1: We go to the Mom's and pop shots where we from,

926
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: It's it's shrump fried rice fry shrump. You're hitting up

927
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: Bruce since you had not vent, since you didn't John

928
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: c food. That's when I'm accustomed to. I get to Boston.

929
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: I don't see none of that ship. It's Pieca and

930
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 1: Clam Clam Childer and all this ship. I'm so country.

931
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: I don't even know nothing about shipping. Calls man me

932
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: and George Davis, me and Gee Hopping hopping my truck

933
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: to the knowledge. We drive thirty one hours, packed them

934
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: all funk up. We drive thirty one. Yeah, I got

935
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 1: the funk about it up. Man, I ain't give a

936
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: funk what was going on. I left earlier. We were

937
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: supposed to report later day weekend. Motherfucker, I was there

938
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: at the middle of August. Hey, who are some of

939
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: who are some of your vets on on your on

940
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: your rookie team? Man? You know what, It's crazy because

941
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: always say if you if you come into the league

942
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: and you have great vets, you were long nine times

943
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 1: out of team, you would have a long career because

944
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: they're gonna show you. They gonna show you the ins

945
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: and outs and and and see, like you know, the

946
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,959
Speaker 1: average careers four years. But when you get past ten years,

947
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: it's a blessing. That means you're doing something right. So,

948
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: motherfucker's was it ain't what you do is how you

949
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: do it. I have some great vets in that motherfucker man,

950
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: Walter McCarthy, Tony Batti, Tony del Eric Williams, like I

951
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: had some of them old soul motherfucker's You know what

952
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: I'm saying? Who will really embraced me like a young fella.

953
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: That's how you need to do ship. This is how

954
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: you need to carry yourself. Look, it's I hate to

955
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: stop out on the town, but this is how you

956
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: gotta conduct it. Do it at this time. They're watching you,

957
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: young fella, get your ass. Be the first one in there,

958
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: be the last one to leave. I don't care if

959
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: you ain't working or not be sitting in this motherfucker

960
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: to everybody to lead this bitch like just teaching me

961
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: the ropes. What was it like building relationships with Dr

962
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: Rivers and Paul Pears? You know what, man, you know

963
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: Paul man Jack, he took me on this wing man

964
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 1: when I got out to Boston. I ain't gonna lie Paul. Paul.

965
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 1: He saw that. Let me tell you what Paul did.

966
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: So you know, Paul is like Paul is like that

967
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 1: guy like us. He want to see where you're hearted.

968
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: He want to see if you got something, if you're

969
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: a real one. So my first preseason game over, I

970
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: go against Detroit Pistons. They got big Ben Wallace. You

971
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: know they got some big DC down there. That's my

972
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: first preseason game where I played like ten minutes. I

973
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: had eight nat and that motherfucker I'm in that bit, dunking,

974
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: going that big Ben shooting my little broke ass jump

975
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: hooking ship. So Paul was like, hello, y'all, fella, y'all, fella, y'all,

976
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: feller got some dog in them, you know what I'm saying.

977
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: And Paul put me through a test one time. He

978
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: was like, yeall, see you in here. You're you're in

979
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: here getting early. Let me see where you're hearted. He

980
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: dropped fifteen hundred dollars on the floor. Now, fifteen hundred

981
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: dollars to me at the time. Ship, that's a lot

982
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: of motherfucking money. So he like, it's it's six seven

983
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: inches of snow out there, and the bean time, Paul like,

984
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: I bet you wanna go outside and give me a

985
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: hundred push ups in your tights and the snow. I said, Ship,

986
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: you got me fucked up. I'm going out there and

987
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: knocked these motherfucker's. I went out there and knocked out them,

988
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: hunted in the snow, in the snow on with tights on.

989
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: Came back and got my motherfucking bread and Paul was like,

990
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: oh no, this motherfucker like that. You're eight. We're keeping you.

991
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: And then doctor Doc came in. Man, and Doc really,

992
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 1: in my opinion, he changed my career because he made

993
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: me be okay, with who I was as a player. Right.

994
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,720
Speaker 1: So the first shield, we we went through a bass.

995
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 1: Now we made the playoffs with Antoine and Gary Payton

996
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: and and motherfucking Paul and we made Ricky Ricky Davis

997
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,439
Speaker 1: and we we made a run. We lost to y'all Jack.

998
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 1: We lost y'all the Pacers, the Paciers. Yeah, so so doctor.

999
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: The next year we lost eighteen in the row. Matt

1000
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 1: dot com me in his office. They made a trade

1001
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: trade of my boy, big Al Jeffersons Jack. You know

1002
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: how close I was a big act. So he like,

1003
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: now just gonna change everything. You know you hurt, But

1004
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,720
Speaker 1: motherfucker we got kg were about to win the tighter.

1005
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 1: Dot cam in his office and was like, look four,

1006
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: be a role player. Your job is the anchor, the defense,

1007
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,720
Speaker 1: rebound block shots said, good screens finished around the basket,

1008
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: that's it. And Perky, if you listen to me, you're

1009
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: gonna have a long career and you're gonna make you

1010
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: some good money. And don't funk with the outside to say,

1011
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: they know what you bring. Your teammates and your coaches

1012
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: know what you bringing to the table. And when Docan

1013
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: still didn't to me, I was cool because I was

1014
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: all right with who I was. I was taking pride

1015
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: and setting great screens. I was taking pride of calling

1016
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: out ice, not letting the motherfucking guard come down here,

1017
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: turn the corn on the pick and roll. So it

1018
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: was all good. So that's how Doc changed everything for me.

1019
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: One thing docus to say is be a star in

1020
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: your role. You mean be a star. People don't have

1021
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: to understand. Obviously, with all the accolades you had, h

1022
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: offensively what you could have did you bought into your

1023
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: role same thing you you Jack Jackson is a bucket,

1024
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: but at the beginning of his career he had to

1025
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: do other things to you know, until he got to

1026
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: that point. And I think that's where a lot of

1027
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: young people fall off, as everyone wants to come in

1028
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: and score like KD or Staff for James and those,

1029
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: you know, the morefus are special. Most of the time

1030
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: you're coming in to be a role, to be a role,

1031
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: to fill a role, not to be to fill a role.

1032
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: And I think that's where a lot of people, uh,

1033
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: you know, don't don't don't get it. Um, what was

1034
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: it like going into that two thousand seventh summer. I mean,

1035
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: you guys have had four years there, a little bit

1036
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: up and down. But going into that summer, knowing that

1037
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: what you guys were about to do, what was it like?

1038
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: What was the atmosphere and vibe? Like, man, it was

1039
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna even a lot. I was down the

1040
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: mp A at my mother law house and I saw

1041
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: the trade with KG. First. I saw the trade with

1042
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: Ray what we're doing. Then we get KG and it's like,

1043
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's like, oh, Boston is a

1044
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: favorite to win the title at that point in time. Man,

1045
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, ship, I'm about twenty three years old. A

1046
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,919
Speaker 1: championship ain't on my mind. Funk. I'm trying to I'm

1047
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: trying to make an all star game here that you

1048
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, I'm coming up, Yeah, I'm

1049
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: trying to make an all star game. I'm thinking to

1050
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 1: myself individually until you know what I'm saying. They got

1051
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: it together, man and Doc had that conversation like, PERP,

1052
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: we could have traded you, but we value what you

1053
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: bring to the table. And he was like, you need

1054
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: to be ready. You and KG alongside each other defensively,

1055
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a problem. And once I started hearing

1056
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: everybody constantly talk about this ship, talk about it saying, man,

1057
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: y'all gonna be a problem, dog, Do you know what

1058
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: you do? You know what you're about to be a

1059
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: part of. And I didn't realize that at first, and

1060
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: then I realized that as I kept hearing about it

1061
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: to training camp. Well, that like obviously picking up Ray,

1062
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: picking up KG. But what was it like working with

1063
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: someone like KG? Because we've heard so many crazy, amazing,

1064
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: energetic stories about that dude. You got him as a

1065
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 1: young fellow. What was that like, Man, that was the

1066
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: best ship of a happened. That's the most unselfish motherfucker

1067
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: I ever played with in my life, the best teammate ever.

1068
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: KG got there and he instantly took a back seat

1069
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: to Paul and Ray and made himself the third option.

1070
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: And that right there, like that set the tone from

1071
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: the jump man. KG used to just do ship like

1072
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: you know, all the interns around their motherfucker. He used

1073
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: to buy them five custom made suits. We won that motherfucker.

1074
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: He bought everybody except the players Rolex watches. He used

1075
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 1: to cater rule Chris and all that ship. He he

1076
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: said himself as the third option to Paul, the ray.

1077
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: He came to me. I was like, you know what, men,

1078
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: you We're gonna focus on this defensive end. We're gonna

1079
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: set screens, get these motherfucker's open dive hord. Look if

1080
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: I don't get you eight to ten points a game,

1081
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 1: ain't doing my point. Motherfucker just had your hands read.

1082
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 1: And he used to just hold me accountable, like getting

1083
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 1: in the weight room. Yeah, man, getting in the weight room.

1084
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that. And KG had that

1085
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 1: motherfucking intensity, man, that he used to bring to the table.

1086
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 1: It's like pregame, it's like ship, motherfucker, you gotta be

1087
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: locked in funk around with him because he locked in

1088
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: at shoot around like it's just ton of vision and

1089
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: he's all in about the team. And and I think

1090
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: that's what made a success more than anything, was just

1091
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: how he sacrificed before as y'all had him on the show. Fun,

1092
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: y'all know, y'all can feel, y'all can feel a motherfucking

1093
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: vibe when you meet a real motherfucker and know it's authentic.

1094
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: Who is KG on that motherfucker on all the smoke,

1095
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: that's who he is in real life. People see that

1096
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: that all fisce competitor, but off the court, man, motherfucker

1097
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 1: cooler than a fan. Man, a real motherfucker will get

1098
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: the shirt off his back and got a heart of goal. Man,

1099
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: everything comes together. You start hearing you guys a favorite

1100
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: to win the championship? What was that following season? Like, man,

1101
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 1: it was great. I mean you know what I'm saying.

1102
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: We was always together. I think going the Wrong for

1103
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: training camp really set the tone because we we were

1104
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 1: damned there forced to funk with each other and get

1105
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 1: to know one another because me and KG had beef,

1106
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: like it wasn't just it wasn't just you know, peaches

1107
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: and cream. I didn't like that motherfucker. He didn't like

1108
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: me either when he was in Minnesota. So motherfucker didn't

1109
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 1: know how we was going in the act. Man. And

1110
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: we had that first I mean, we took that seven

1111
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 1: hour flight to Wrong. He didn't say ship to me,

1112
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: and I didn't say nothing to him. I'm like, fuck

1113
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: it then, nig it is what it is, right, So ship,

1114
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: we get out there, we have our first camp. Men,

1115
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: his motherfucker just tied on the stream together. He like,

1116
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: hold on, man, this motherfucker. No, he got his ir

1117
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: Q right, this motherfucker go on the wall with me.

1118
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: I'm covering from he covering for me. It was just

1119
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: like instant Ever since then it was on. So we

1120
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: get to wrong, we get the wrong man, and we

1121
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: forced the funk with each other. We out there for

1122
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: three weeks, so everywhere it was it was all of

1123
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: us at one time. We're going everywhere together. We eat

1124
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: down in the lobby, kicking it together, and then it

1125
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: just carried on. So we just went through preseason like

1126
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: it was the Prep file season, and we hit the

1127
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: ground running. And when I knew we had something special,

1128
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: it's Gilbert Arenas chill. Gil was talking ship. I remember

1129
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: he was like, man, y'all, motherfucker's crowning them. They ain't

1130
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: done ship yet. You remember the Wizards was a force

1131
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: in the Eastern Conference. So what ended up happening was

1132
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: tell you how Doc did the game. He put the

1133
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: whole article on the front door or or the locker

1134
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: room of the arena, so when you walked in, that

1135
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: motherfucker you had to see it. And we all read

1136
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: that motherfucker, and he made sure pre game he was like,

1137
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: you know what these motherfuckers said. We came out and

1138
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: smacked the motherfucker's about fifty. That's when I knew. I

1139
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: was like, oh, ship, we're on the mother Yeah we

1140
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: we we were on one mm hmm. But the season

1141
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: was the season was cool, man. We kicked it. We

1142
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: went out, We gambled ship. Well, I mean on the plane.

1143
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: The motherfucker's like the hood. I'm talking about man, shirt off,

1144
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 1: big gass, boom box on the front, motherfucker's shoot dice,

1145
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: motherfucker on wrestling for money. Man, it was going down

1146
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: on it was the hood. But doc let us be us,

1147
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So we're in that motherfucker

1148
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: kicking it. We got motherfucker's like t a O schicy

1149
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: shot Tom, motherfucker on the dice, gambling, slick rolling and

1150
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: ship like that. So man, it was all good. Man.

1151
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: So you get through that season. Um, you guys face

1152
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: the Lakers in the finals. Wasn't the thought of that

1153
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: so early? First year into it, you're in the rivalry.

1154
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: You're in the Lakers Celtics rivalry. Now, man, that ship crazy.

1155
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: Y'all know from going to the finals. If you ain't careful,

1156
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: you could just get caught up in the whole finals itself.

1157
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 1: You know, the media, the introduction, all that ship. You

1158
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: gotta remember that you there to play motherfucking basketball. Then

1159
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: on top of that, we're going against a bad motherfucker

1160
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: on the other side, so we had to make sure

1161
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: we were locked in. So, you know, getting there, that

1162
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: whole Celtic Lake and rivalry. You're watching that ship on television,

1163
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: You're like, damn, get to the Staples Center or the Garden,

1164
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: both of them fired up. They running all the traditional things,

1165
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kareem, you know, uh, hell ship

1166
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: you all the motherfucker's you know that ain't your motherfucker's

1167
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: that was on that Yeah, yeah, yeah man. So so

1168
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: we get to we get to the to the game

1169
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: and once it was jump ball, it was like ship,

1170
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna trap the ship out of Kobe and everybody

1171
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: else got to beat us. And that's what that's the

1172
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: way we made it. They was like, Perk, you got Kasso,

1173
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: head up, body that motherfucker kg you got a little

1174
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: more older. That's how we gonna play on. We're gonna

1175
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: force him to take jumpers and ship. We go trap

1176
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: Kobe on pick and rolls and get the all out

1177
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: of his motherfucking hands, and that's what we did m

1178
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: Game six close out at home. What did that mean

1179
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: to you guys to be able to do it on

1180
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: your floor? Man, it meant everything because the last thing

1181
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: we wanted to do was go back to l A.

1182
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 1: And we knew because that identity that we established in

1183
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: the garden that once we got the motherfucker back home,

1184
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: it was gonna be a problem because that motherfucker got

1185
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: the rocket and you know, our hostyle is getting in

1186
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 1: the in those Boston and ringers. Motherfucker's to tell you

1187
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: everything under the sun. So with that being said, man,

1188
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: when we got back home, it was it was on

1189
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: our mind to finish that ship, man, And and it

1190
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: meant everything. Just the atmosphere we got it done. Motherfucker's

1191
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: was tied on the stream, everybody got playing time, We

1192
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: was deep. It was just a good ass feeling. Man.

1193
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: Then to beat the Lakers at that it was everything. Uh,

1194
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: Kobe said, that was just the toughest loss of his career.

1195
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: Um falling to you guys in the H eight final, Um,

1196
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: you know that had to be a part. I mean

1197
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: that had to be a special runs your first taste?

1198
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: How old you at this point? Yeah? Three Champions. It

1199
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 1: was crazy, man. But look, but look, I I tell

1200
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: you what. I could tell that Kobe was pissed like

1201
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: a motherfucker, and I was saying to myself, I said, man, look,

1202
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: next year, if we make it back, this motherfucker go

1203
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: have it on his mind. But we didn't make it back.

1204
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: But you saw what he did to Orlando. But Ship,

1205
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: it was just But but you know the thing about

1206
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 1: Kobe was was that even when we went up twenty

1207
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: at one point of the game six, I was still

1208
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: scared than them, motherfucker because I'm like, man, this ain't

1209
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: this lead. I don't give a Yeah, like this motherfucker's

1210
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: start hitting fadeaways over double teams and shipped out of

1211
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: the corner. Three. I'm like, man, ship, here we go

1212
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: with this ship again. Yeah, it was that he said

1213
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: that was that was the one for him. Two thousand

1214
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: nine are trying to defend the title, KG get hurt?

1215
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: How hard was that? How hard was the team and

1216
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: how frustrated was the team with KG went down? Man,

1217
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: we we was fucked up because we knew we had

1218
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: a small window, especially with the age of KG and Ray,

1219
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: not necessarily Paul, but we had a small window. To

1220
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: win as many championships as we possibly can, and I thought,

1221
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: you know, we competed. We went to that seven game

1222
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: series with the Chicago Bulls and and uh, you know,

1223
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: seven games with the Orlando Magic. But I thought we

1224
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: should have beat the Magic that year in my opinion,

1225
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: but hey, you know, we didn't do it. But you know,

1226
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: I thought it was good for me those stacking matt

1227
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: because that was one of the best That was some

1228
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: of the best basketball that I actually played individually during

1229
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: those fourtseen games, shaid, I average like seventeen twelve and

1230
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: three blocks. So it was all good for me individually

1231
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: because I got to find myself again and I was like,

1232
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: you know what, going into the next season, shift, I'm

1233
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: gonna be all right. And it was crazy because it

1234
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: opened up eyes to DC Rivers because the next season

1235
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: he actually started saying, Hill, we're running some turn five

1236
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: so per and KG KG Paula Ray actually said, you

1237
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: know what, in the regular season, what we're gonna do

1238
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: is ship We're gonna develop these motherfuckers. Rundo, you got

1239
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: the keys, perk key, I'm about to give you some

1240
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: of the offersive package. Motherfucker. You ain't gonna be doing

1241
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: all that ship me shaking. You're gonna have a right hook,

1242
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: left hook, and I'm gonna make sure I found you.

1243
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: You dunk that motherfucker. Now I'm gonna beat courtesy and

1244
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: let you get some of my rebounds. Because y'all know

1245
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 1: how KG was about this boards and they was running

1246
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: the first play of the game for you, every game

1247
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: that was running the first play of the game for you. Yeah,

1248
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 1: every time Man and KG, KG, Jack and Matt. He

1249
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I used to go grab

1250
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: a rebound. He was used to be like at me, lady,

1251
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: you bitch ass nigger like he used to be. So yeah,

1252
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 1: so man, ship Man, he started letting us coming to

1253
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 1: our own and they started they started motherfucking let Rondo

1254
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: have the keys to the car, which which I'm gonna

1255
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: say this real quick, which wasn't It was a good

1256
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: thing because Rondo was ready. But this is when him

1257
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 1: and Ray started having they loved you know what I'm saying,

1258
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 1: they love beef because you know, Ray really wasn't brought

1259
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: into just handing Rondo over the keys. Paul and KG

1260
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 1: was like, nah, let this motherfucker go. He getting us

1261
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 1: easy shots. But Ray kind of still wanted to bring

1262
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: the ball up. And that's when the beef started happening.

1263
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: And that's when we had to pull out the motherfucking

1264
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: gloves in the weight room and let Ray and Rondo

1265
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: put the motherfucker's on and go with it for a minute.

1266
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 1: Like they actually got on the gloves. We're like, nah,

1267
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: they got the animosity. I go box this ship out

1268
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: and they got on. That's the old school ship. I

1269
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: ain't never heard that story. Thing was, man, Rondo was

1270
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: got on Ray ass man Like man, I knew that

1271
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: I had and and I know why, and I know

1272
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: my way was mad when DoD gave him the keys because,

1273
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: like I said this before mat before even having perk

1274
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 1: on here, the big three was Rondo, Paul and KG.

1275
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: Ray wasn't part of the big three in my mind anyway.

1276
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: And I say that because I ain't hating it, But

1277
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 1: to everybody out here, I say that because I used

1278
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: to punish, right, you know what I'm saying he did? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1279
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: I'm must saying I used to punish, So he wasn't

1280
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: as good to me as he was to y'all. You

1281
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: feel what I'm saying, Man, I can't lie looked Steve

1282
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: was in Charlotte and man, they got into it, him

1283
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: and him and Ray right. So when they got stopped

1284
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: on the court, motherfucker's about the fight, and motherfucker next

1285
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: day they're like, damn perk. While you wouldn't run up

1286
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 1: in the mix, I'm my ship. I was breaking it up.

1287
01:05:55,760 --> 01:06:00,040
Speaker 1: But you'a gotta understand that's that my motherfucker family and

1288
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 1: I went up, but I ain't getting hell na. That's

1289
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 1: fair that one. So two thousand and ten, like you said,

1290
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: Rondo is raising his level to an all star performance.

1291
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: That's when we we beat we We lost you guys

1292
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: in the Eastern Conference Finals. You guys go on to

1293
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: face the Lakers again. UM tell us about that battle,

1294
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 1: because that was a little bit different. You guys suffered

1295
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 1: some key injuries during that run in the finals, and

1296
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 1: the Lakers end up beating you guys on some big

1297
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 1: shots at the end. I'm glad you'll be matten because

1298
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: they swept the ship out of us. We shipped up, bro.

1299
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: We had beat them three one during the regular season

1300
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 1: and staying got scared going to the Eastern Conference Finals.

1301
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 1: We thought we were gonna make a couple of adjustments.

1302
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 1: This dude changed the whole offense. So they beat the

1303
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: ship out of us game one, game to game three.

1304
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: We win game four and I think lose game five

1305
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: and lose. We lose one. We want two in a row.

1306
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: Once we kind of said, like man, us, get back

1307
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: to our ship, and then they beat us in game six.

1308
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 1: That ship was crazy. I thought we should have went

1309
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: to the finals that year and played the Lakers. But

1310
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, some some crazy ship went

1311
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: into that Eastern Finals. They end up beating us, and

1312
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: it's crazy because I'm glad you brought up that point. Man,

1313
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,479
Speaker 1: and I tweeted this other day and there's no hate,

1314
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: but you know, motherfucker gotta keep it real. And this

1315
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 1: is why I said I tweeted this. I said, y'all

1316
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 1: really thought that Staning van Gundi was the coach? Was

1317
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: it was the right coach for the New Orleans Pelicans. No,

1318
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 1: he wasn't the right coach. Like I feel like you

1319
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 1: should have hired the young stud. But that's a whole conversation.

1320
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 1: I like, hey, I like standing Max and Oh's he's

1321
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 1: old school though real I like his X and os.

1322
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 1: But you know, Shack said that ship a long time ago.

1323
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: When it comes to pressure, and we completely bro We

1324
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 1: were eight no in the playoffs, beating teams by boarding

1325
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 1: five points a game, and we change our whole strategy

1326
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 1: to play against a team we would beat three out

1327
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 1: of four games that season. Just yeah, man, But it's

1328
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 1: just crazy because I felt like it was so many

1329
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: young studs. I feel like even Damon stoudermy man, who's

1330
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: coaching that at a collegiate level right now? Uh, Sam Cassell, like, man,

1331
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 1: bring some young wood up in there, man, because it's

1332
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: a new day and age, right like it's a new

1333
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: it's a new era. Motherfucker's ain't buying into all that

1334
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:34,799
Speaker 1: who are defensive and exit. Yeah, you gotta play defense,

1335
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,559
Speaker 1: but you gotta let motherfucker's rock out on the offensive end.

1336
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 1: All that player movement and running sets. Motherfucker's ain't doing

1337
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 1: that hot pick and roller ice. So let these motherfucker's

1338
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 1: go to work. But that's another story. Two thousand and ten.

1339
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: Two thousand and ten, man, I remember that ship more

1340
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:54,640
Speaker 1: than the year that we wanted, because it was like

1341
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: I started five healthy. We never lost the we never

1342
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 1: lost a playoff series, and I felt like going into

1343
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 1: l A. We was up, we was up three three

1344
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 1: to Game six in l A. Felt like we had

1345
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 1: the right momentum going. Obviously they get Andrew buying them back.

1346
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: So now I'm playing Andrew bonhom ticket playing uh Mark,

1347
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:26,560
Speaker 1: I mean, uh Paul Kasaul, Yeah, power Kasaw. So the

1348
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 1: motherfucking matchups is even we're down there, we're battling like

1349
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 1: a motherfucker. We're going at it. So man, I tell

1350
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:35,600
Speaker 1: my motherfucking a c l Man. And it was the

1351
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 1: worst thing in my life because I didn't think it

1352
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:41,639
Speaker 1: wasn't that I didn't feel like I wasn't gonna bounced back.

1353
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 1: But you just never take going to the Farmers for

1354
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: granted because people people don't understand it's hard to just

1355
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 1: get to the Farmers, let alone win the championship. And

1356
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I might not reach this ship again,

1357
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 1: elb in my life. That's why I heard of me.

1358
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 1: And then having to sit out Ames seven and watch

1359
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 1: us have a fourteen point lead in the fourth quarter

1360
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 1: and the Lakers walked their ship down to win the

1361
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 1: championship and watched them celebrate on on our home on

1362
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 1: their home court, and us having to walk through the

1363
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 1: stadium here and all that ship, the bus ride back

1364
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 1: going to the plane and ship decorated with l A GIL.

1365
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you something. Kobe was six for

1366
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:25,679
Speaker 1: twenty four that game. But this is how bad he wanted.

1367
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 1: Every team that won that won the game in that

1368
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 1: series won the rebound and battle. Kobe had fifteen motherfucking

1369
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:37,680
Speaker 1: rebounds at the two guard position. So that goes to

1370
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 1: that's another testimony to his greatness because people always think

1371
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: everybody want to talk about the scoring, but like he

1372
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 1: was off, but he said, you know what, would do whatever,

1373
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:52,639
Speaker 1: he would do whatever it takes to win. He had

1374
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 1: he had eight offensive rebounds that led to him going

1375
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 1: to the free throw line. Like that's that's like motherfucker

1376
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 1: wanted that ship. Man. And like today, man, since we're

1377
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:07,759
Speaker 1: thinking back on it and when we lost our brother,

1378
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 1: I ain't even just saying this because you know it's

1379
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:12,639
Speaker 1: it's a front. This is how I feel when people

1380
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:15,760
Speaker 1: ask me about the two thousand and ten. Now I'm

1381
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: at ease with it. I'm like, you know what ship,

1382
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 1: I ship Kobe could had that motherfucker. Man, I'm glad

1383
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 1: he took it straight up. That's just the real win there.

1384
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,760
Speaker 1: I don't even. I'm not even. I don't think about it.

1385
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 1: I don't say what if I'm like, hell, y'all, glad

1386
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 1: kovid got this field. I ain't Killvin was against us M.

1387
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: That's two thousand and ten. Summer, Um, Miami forms their

1388
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 1: big three, their own big three? Uh what are they?

1389
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 1: What's the reaction by you guys? Ship ship? I don't know, man.

1390
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 1: I was long and gone. Motherfucker's shipped me up. Bout

1391
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:56,640
Speaker 1: it up? You know what I'm say? Summer No, I

1392
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 1: got traded in January. I'm mine. So when they got

1393
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 1: when they formed together, I was recovering off my a

1394
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:04,719
Speaker 1: c L injury, so I didn't never get a chance

1395
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,720
Speaker 1: to play with him. But we added shock. We had

1396
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:10,560
Speaker 1: a shock, and we had a j oh And what

1397
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:14,600
Speaker 1: happened was was that I had a Danny off of

1398
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 1: me a contract extension. I was making four. He was like,

1399
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: hip perk, I got a contract extension for you for

1400
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 1: six million. Yeah. I was like, Dan, I can't take that.

1401
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 1: A start in center right now, making anywhere from ten

1402
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 1: to fifteen. So Danny knew it was a strong possibility

1403
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 1: I was gonna walk. He traded. Long story short man,

1404
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 1: he traded me to Okay, see, knowing I was gonna

1405
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 1: get paid there, I didn't play a game. Before I

1406
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 1: even played one game, man, they gave me a four year,

1407
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 1: thirty six million dollar deal. So I was like, people

1408
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 1: always be mad at Danny, but Dan, they actually did

1409
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 1: me a favor. But when the Big Three. But when yeah, man,

1410
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: when the Big Three, When the Big Three was formed

1411
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 1: in Miami, I was like, ship, it's about to be

1412
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 1: a motherfucking problem. I was said, I wasn't necessarily scared

1413
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 1: of Chris Bosh because KG always gave him that work,

1414
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:09,759
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying that, And for some reason

1415
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 1: he took it personal when he played against Bosch. But man,

1416
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie to Lebron and d Wade pairing

1417
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 1: up going against like kind of older Ray and the Paul.

1418
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 1: I was like, funk, I don't know about that one. Man.

1419
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 1: That's gonna be a hard motherfucker to get across, right there.

1420
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 1: M So or you, like you said, you go to

1421
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 1: a to a young okayc team that drafted really well

1422
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 1: and has ready to make noise of themselves. What were

1423
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 1: your first thoughts playing with that young squad because you

1424
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 1: guys had a lot of talent over there. Man. I

1425
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 1: was like, man, what the funk you know, I'm leaving

1426
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 1: Boston while being at my my my brothers. I wasn't

1427
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:51,440
Speaker 1: feeling that ship Man. When I got into that motherfucker

1428
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 1: and I saw these young motherfucker's and I heard they

1429
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 1: worked and how they was putting in that work after

1430
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:01,439
Speaker 1: back to backs practicing going there each other, I was like, ship,

1431
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 1: I didn't walk into another gold mine. Hell, I just

1432
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 1: got to play my role. So I was. I walked in, okay,

1433
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 1: see on the strange mcl on my other leg. So

1434
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 1: I had a month to actually evaluate them and actually

1435
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 1: wash them up close. I was like, man, he's some

1436
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 1: bad motherfucker's. If I just bring if I just bring

1437
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:24,640
Speaker 1: this leadership in this motherfucker and preach roles, ship Man,

1438
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 1: we're about to run. We're about to make us a

1439
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 1: couple of runs. And so we end up going to

1440
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,879
Speaker 1: the Western Conference. But I knew James was gonna be special.

1441
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 1: I knew Russ was gonna be special, and my damn show.

1442
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:37,679
Speaker 1: Knew Katie was gonna be special. All of them guys

1443
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 1: from the moment I saw them in the first two weeks,

1444
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 1: not just in the game, but how the motherfucker's prepared

1445
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 1: and how much time they put into the gym. I

1446
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 1: was like, Na, these motherfucker's is on the mission. What

1447
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 1: was the chemistry like with that team? All young stars?

1448
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 1: You come in as a little bit older player, you

1449
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 1: come in her, but you guys got a nice young roster.

1450
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: What what what was the vibe and energy like around

1451
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 1: that team? Man, you gonna lie, it was fucked up.

1452
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 1: It was up when I first got there. Everyone was

1453
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:04,760
Speaker 1: going their separate ways. When I first got there, man,

1454
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 1: you know you had one clique hanging over here, another

1455
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 1: click hanging over there. So I walked in there, man,

1456
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 1: and I started actually, I started actually preaching roles, and

1457
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like, Na, man, we ain't

1458
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 1: gonna we ain't gonna do this like we're gonna be together.

1459
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 1: I started forming Team Dinners. I'm like, look, they weren't

1460
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 1: guys that went out, And I'm like, we're gonna play

1461
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:27,720
Speaker 1: bout ray in my hotel room. This is what we're

1462
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 1: about to do. A matter of fact, all that flying

1463
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 1: your brother in or brothers or cousins or friends, Na, man,

1464
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: we ain't doing that no more. We go funk with

1465
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 1: each other. We go, we go, go on the road,

1466
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 1: and it's just gonna be us all that breaking off.

1467
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 1: We got to develop some type of chemistry off the

1468
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 1: court to make this ship carry on on the court. Man,

1469
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:50,560
Speaker 1: I had certain group of family members weren't speaking of

1470
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 1: other group of family members and it was just like

1471
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: a and I'm like, hold on, man, So that goes

1472
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:58,799
Speaker 1: to show me. It was a lot of shoot shooting

1473
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 1: behind motherfucker's aink motherfucker's saying this about them. And I

1474
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 1: nipped that ship in the bud like quick, like nah,

1475
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 1: if we want to win, we're blocking out all that

1476
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 1: outside bullshit straight up and don't come in here with

1477
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 1: that bullshit. And they gravitated towards me. And I had

1478
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 1: a guy like I had a guy like Nick Collinson,

1479
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 1: who's one of my favorite motherfucking uh teammates of all time,

1480
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,680
Speaker 1: helped me out with that ship because he like, man right,

1481
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 1: Like I called this ship out in the film room

1482
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 1: like hey look here, man, all that outside ship. I

1483
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:32,760
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on, but we ain't doing that

1484
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 1: ship no more. Straight up. That's big. I mean, that's

1485
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 1: you know, that's coming from a veteran team and going

1486
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 1: to a young team, you know, with no real guidance.

1487
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 1: I love Nick Collinson, but he's probably you know, he's

1488
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:45,680
Speaker 1: probably not as outspoken. I'm sure it helped having you

1489
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 1: and then him to be able to stand for you

1490
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 1: because I know they all respected Nick because Nick was

1491
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 1: but the longest tenure sonic rocket there was excuse me,

1492
01:16:53,760 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 1: uh thunder there were rightest Yeah. M hmm. So now

1493
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 1: that's Donkey brought that kind of energy. It's important. Eleven

1494
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 1: NBA playoffs, she losed the Dallas in five. MAVs were

1495
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 1: gone to winning. How tough wasn't dealing with dirt? He

1496
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 1: wasn't tough for us? He was and look we had man,

1497
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 1: we had a young surge and myself I had two

1498
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 1: motherfucker knee braces on like I was an offensive lineman

1499
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 1: because I had to wear a knee braids for the

1500
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 1: A C L M C L. Man. I ain't got

1501
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 1: a lot of dirt. Gave us that motherfucking work man

1502
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. He was man. He was in a

1503
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 1: zone where if he wasn't missing shots, he was getting

1504
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 1: to the free throw line like he wasn't missing shots.

1505
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 1: It wasn't no missing for him. I didn't give a

1506
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 1: damn how great if a contest you've got or whatever

1507
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 1: the case may be. And he got to the free

1508
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:51,719
Speaker 1: throw line. I think in that series he probably averaged

1509
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 1: twenty two to twenty three free throw attempts at game

1510
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 1: and they always found that's how aggressive he was. So

1511
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 1: he wasn't just selling, but he was a motherfucking problem.

1512
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 1: You could tell that year he was like, no, there

1513
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 1: ain't no more taking this ship away from me, and

1514
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 1: I'm going out swinging. Motherfucker like we could not stop

1515
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 1: him to save the life of us. And he and

1516
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 1: he knew that, like he was just on the mission.

1517
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:21,759
Speaker 1: That's a bad boy, Yes, sir, thirty thou plus scored. Shoot,

1518
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 1: say what you want. That motherfucker was bad. A killer.

1519
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,800
Speaker 1: Dirk was a killer. All we did, all we did

1520
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 1: was pissing him off and golden steak. But he had

1521
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 1: a whole different mindset after that. But y'all actually, but

1522
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 1: y'all actually had the bodies though y'all had it was huge, stacked,

1523
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:42,599
Speaker 1: like y'all had the bodies to switch and aggravate him,

1524
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 1: and y'all was able to be able to get up

1525
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 1: under move y'all feet where he damn Nip couldn't get

1526
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:49,720
Speaker 1: a shot off. Oh he couldn't put that bit on

1527
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 1: the ground around y'all because y'all was taking this ship

1528
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 1: and on the other end, who the funk he was

1529
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 1: gonna guard? Y'all? Was the real two definition of going small.

1530
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 1: Y'all set that ship from the jump, y'all was like, motherfucker,

1531
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 1: we're about to get up and down. Your motherfucking go,

1532
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 1: your motherucking' as gonna have to slide these your puppies.

1533
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 1: And that's that was a fun as series though. Real

1534
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 1: talk two thousand and twelve playoffs, you and Jack meeting

1535
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 1: the Western Conference Finals. Memories from both of you guys

1536
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 1: on that series, go to try and go stand up man.

1537
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 1: That was a good moment. Man. I was able to

1538
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 1: get back to San Antonio, and uh, you know, I

1539
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:30,640
Speaker 1: remember that that. I thought I was going to get

1540
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 1: my second chip man in San Antonio. And the one

1541
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 1: thing about it, every time I've been in San Antonio, Matt,

1542
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 1: we went to the Western Conference Finals at least you

1543
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, but h but we won the

1544
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:45,639
Speaker 1: first two games, Matt. We got out to a good start.

1545
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 1: I think we was riding tim you know, Tim was

1546
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 1: making the right place making you know, he wasn't really

1547
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 1: scoring too much, but he was just making the right place.

1548
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 1: You know, Tim, he's gonna do everything right. You come doubling,

1549
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 1: he gonna he's not gonna force, and he's gonna let

1550
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 1: your double and make the right place. So the first

1551
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 1: two games, we was doing all that. Uh, second two games,

1552
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 1: Katie and Russ just turned up on another level. Dog,

1553
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 1: I mean, mancau. I was playing a good dal on them,

1554
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 1: but they were just making plays to the point where

1555
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 1: we went up to and it ended up being a

1556
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 1: Tai Series. I mean, it ended up being a Tai

1557
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 1: Series Game six for them to send us home. And Uh,

1558
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 1: I was on five, Matt, I come out six six threes.

1559
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm talking, I couldn't miss. I couldn't miss. I'm talking

1560
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 1: my own five. And Tony Parker here he go. Was

1561
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 1: trying to get m VP. He starts trying to do

1562
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 1: it himself. He was trying to compete. He was trying

1563
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 1: to compete with Russ. That that didn't work, Matt. Next thing,

1564
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:40,679
Speaker 1: you know, Katie had the next thing, you know, James

1565
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 1: got hot and and once at once rushing his bag.

1566
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 1: Katie hot. Now you got James come in. We couldn't

1567
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 1: do that with him dogging Dad and they and they

1568
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:50,680
Speaker 1: was able to end up going to the finals that year.

1569
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:52,639
Speaker 1: But that that was a good experience for me because

1570
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:55,719
Speaker 1: not only playing against him, but going to the game,

1571
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 1: seeing vanning him at the games, you know what I'm saying,

1572
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 1: being able to see them at the games, and when

1573
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 1: we both come from it was just crazy. Man, were

1574
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 1: both in the Western Conference finals. We got the same like.

1575
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 1: It was just it was just a great MoMA win

1576
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:10,639
Speaker 1: out lose. It was a great moment for me. Yeah. Yeah,

1577
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 1: it was for me too, Matt, because look at the

1578
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 1: end of the day, we both had already won ring,

1579
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 1: so it wasn't like we was chasing our first title,

1580
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 1: but we was trying to get that second one. And

1581
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 1: then you know, to go against my brother in the

1582
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 1: film room, we had Jack as as like that motherfucker

1583
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 1: that like, we we had to get a focus on

1584
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 1: because we was like, man, we cannot let Jack beat

1585
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 1: his third option and get going. Although he did get going,

1586
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 1: that motherfucker couldn't miss and I think it was in

1587
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 1: game six we was like, what the fuck? But he

1588
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 1: had a good series going on here, I'm gonna tell

1589
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 1: you Jack ain't telling no lines, Matt, no bullshit. So

1590
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 1: the first two games in San Antonio, we was playing

1591
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 1: the pick and roll regular well, we was dropping in

1592
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 1: coverage and Tony Parker was actually being able to come

1593
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 1: downhill at me and I wouldn't be able to do

1594
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 1: ship because I was in the drop. I went't we down?

1595
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 1: Oh two, I'm fucked up. I'm like, man, niggas got

1596
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 1: me fucked up. I'm hearing Steve Kerr talk shit. I

1597
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 1: go back and watch the game and I want to

1598
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:15,679
Speaker 1: listen to the bullishit. I hear Steve Kurt telling, motherfucker

1599
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,240
Speaker 1: they should take me out the line of the perk,

1600
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:20,640
Speaker 1: can't guard the pick and roll. I go in in

1601
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 1: motherfucking film room and tell Scotty, hey, look, man, were

1602
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 1: switching everything. We came in that motherfucking we switched them

1603
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 1: motherfucker's because I knew once they saw the switch with

1604
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 1: Tony Parker and I came out in game three and

1605
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 1: we switched the pick and roll. First. I switched out

1606
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 1: on Tony Parker. I clapped my motherfucking hands, like, let

1607
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:44,640
Speaker 1: me see that motherfucker gave him space. He tried to

1608
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 1: pull up on me. I blocked that ship, took that ship.

1609
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 1: Then Genoblic came down tried to do the same in

1610
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 1: the pick and roll, and I remember the pop was hot.

1611
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:57,440
Speaker 1: He called the time out. I looked at the commentating

1612
01:22:57,479 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 1: tape over there, Steve Krolls like, go, ho ass Nick,

1613
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 1: what you were saying? I'm hot? I'm because already already

1614
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 1: heard it. So I'm in my mind like, mother ye

1615
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 1: suck up. So we right there, we switched up, and

1616
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 1: they didn't even know it. They didn't even make no adjustments.

1617
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 1: Instead of them going to the post with with with

1618
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan. But the switch, Tony was going at the

1619
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 1: mismatch dog and that was all bad. And all we

1620
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 1: said was is that we're gonna get me in. Search said,

1621
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna give him space and we're gonna make him

1622
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,799
Speaker 1: take a tough contestant to and that motherfucker started clanking

1623
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 1: that motherfuck off the side of the rim and bank

1624
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 1: bull straight up, and that's how I went. But at

1625
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:46,800
Speaker 1: that moment, it was just cool, man, because all our

1626
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 1: families was there, you know what I mean. So it's

1627
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 1: just like it's it's stack going Like at that point,

1628
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 1: you wanta stack that I want to stack to have

1629
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:58,120
Speaker 1: a good game. I wanted to have a good game

1630
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 1: and ship in game, folks. I kind of win that.

1631
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 1: I kind of win that Tim a little bit. I

1632
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 1: had me a little fifteen and nine twelve in the

1633
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:08,680
Speaker 1: first quarter. I kind of set to you know what

1634
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I win that to him a little bit.

1635
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 1: I used to, because I used to. I used to

1636
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 1: be like, man, funk all this nice guys ship Tim,

1637
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:19,280
Speaker 1: he Tim Duncan. But I used to pick fights with him.

1638
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 1: Jack could tell you, motherfucker used to push him, throw

1639
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:24,760
Speaker 1: well bowls. I would never rather him, but I used

1640
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 1: to just try to like, motherfucker, you're gonna do something today,

1641
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:32,640
Speaker 1: motherfucker fight tonight. But he used to fight back. He

1642
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:36,679
Speaker 1: ain't talking no ships that motherfucker give you that word. Yeah,

1643
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,479
Speaker 1: no question about that. So you guys knock out San

1644
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 1: Antonio and play the Big Three? What was that experienced like?

1645
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:46,839
Speaker 1: Because that was your young bucks first taste of the finals,

1646
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 1: that's Broun's first ring obviously, But what's that experience like

1647
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 1: being with a young okay See team and winning it

1648
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 1: as a youngster with a veteran driven Boston team. Man

1649
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 1: look it was there and I saw it. I saw

1650
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 1: it because after we won the conference finals, I saw

1651
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 1: the energy and everybody and they had acted like we

1652
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 1: won the championship, and you expect that out of some

1653
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:15,320
Speaker 1: young guys. But I'm like, man, we got these motherfucker's

1654
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 1: who over here waiting owners who are waiting for their

1655
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 1: first title run with a veteran team of Mike Miller,

1656
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 1: James Jones, Like, you know, they got all these motherfucker's

1657
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 1: who chasing. They they hard well, So we end up

1658
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 1: getting game one, they got Game two. But when we

1659
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 1: went to Miami, man, we could not get a win.

1660
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:38,559
Speaker 1: To save our life. Man, Russ and Russ and James

1661
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 1: came to play. I remember I had a couple of

1662
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 1: double doubles. I mean, Russey and Katie came to play.

1663
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 1: I had a couple of double double surgeons doing pretty good.

1664
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 1: But man, James ain't give us ship. And you know why,

1665
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 1: mother motherfucker King of diamonds and everything called a hole

1666
01:25:56,479 --> 01:26:01,640
Speaker 1: is Man. We couldn't get in San Antonio. Look in

1667
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:05,360
Speaker 1: San Antonio, he didn't have a damn thing to do. Ship. Yeah,

1668
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 1: we got about. Yeah, we got to motherfucker Miam and

1669
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 1: ship it was everything, motherfucker do. We couldn't get that

1670
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:15,639
Speaker 1: motherfucker to buy a bucket in that mother was killing

1671
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 1: us in San Antonio. God damn. Yeah, you have to

1672
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 1: get his risks. In Miami, he couldn't get his risk.

1673
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 1: Motherfucker was all in. Motherfucker night, couldn't get his rest.

1674
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 1: So your careers winding down, you get a stop in

1675
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:34,639
Speaker 1: Cleveland to play with Lebron side by side, You could

1676
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 1: have stopped and get to play with the young a

1677
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:38,920
Speaker 1: d tell me we're playing with those two were like

1678
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:40,800
Speaker 1: on your way out. Well, you know, I've been knowing

1679
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:44,720
Speaker 1: Braun since I was about Ship twelve, class so three,

1680
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:47,639
Speaker 1: whether we was playing against each other, where we played,

1681
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 1: whether he was at abc D camp, whether we played

1682
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 1: on the same Oakland Soldier team. So I've been knowing Braun,

1683
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 1: and I've been knowing the sacrifice and that he was

1684
01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 1: putting in. This motherfucker was eating fruit and ship. We

1685
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:02,680
Speaker 1: was in the ninth grade before between games. You know

1686
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 1: how you play seven games in a day, sometimes you

1687
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:09,720
Speaker 1: and go eat McDonald's. This motherfucker had fruit water. He

1688
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 1: was already ahead of the curb before all of us.

1689
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:16,560
Speaker 1: But but actually going on the team and watching this

1690
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 1: motherfucker and how he go how he went about this day.

1691
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I don't see how you do

1692
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:26,080
Speaker 1: it like this motherfucker will wake up at five, workout

1693
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:29,720
Speaker 1: with his strength and conditioning coach, get there early to

1694
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:32,640
Speaker 1: the gym, be the first person, enough blasting whatever new

1695
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:36,559
Speaker 1: music is that working out. That motherfucker practice harder than

1696
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 1: the motherfucker, get shots up with his teammates, get treatment,

1697
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:43,679
Speaker 1: Probably have a motherfucker commercial to go do, find time

1698
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 1: to go home, you know, spend a couple of hours,

1699
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:49,639
Speaker 1: half dinner with the family. Hey, perk, what you're doing

1700
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:51,559
Speaker 1: now that I ain't doing? Ship? Hey, come over, let's

1701
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:53,640
Speaker 1: watch this game. All right? Cool, I'm over there. Go

1702
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:56,559
Speaker 1: to watch the game with him. Pull up, he getting

1703
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:59,600
Speaker 1: treatment again. Same thing on the road, like we're in

1704
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 1: five star steakhouses. This motherfucker got his training with him

1705
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 1: getting ice and steam or whatever. It was. Barred than him.

1706
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 1: And he had a he had a rule like ship,

1707
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:12,679
Speaker 1: he was going to bed at ten thirty. He didn't

1708
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 1: give a funk when nobody was talking about ten thirty

1709
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock. He's shutting it down. And so I'm watching

1710
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:21,719
Speaker 1: how this motherfucker basically got a schedule like the president,

1711
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:24,920
Speaker 1: the sacrifice, and he putting in that nobody to see

1712
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, And I'm like, Ship, this is why

1713
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 1: this motherfucker who he is. Like, this is why he

1714
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 1: this is why who he is. So when people say, yeah,

1715
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 1: he invested two million dollars in his body, hell yeah,

1716
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 1: because I was front row and I saw that ship.

1717
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 1: This motherfucker was was getting it in man, Like you know,

1718
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 1: I got much. I had another love respect for how

1719
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 1: he conducted himself and how he handled himself, for as

1720
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 1: with the media, for as with with with how you

1721
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:58,640
Speaker 1: move and how you travel, how you know, he was

1722
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:01,920
Speaker 1: still interacting. This motherfucker go down and play cards like

1723
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:05,560
Speaker 1: a motherfucker he gonna do, you know, he'll cool, motherfucker.

1724
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:07,720
Speaker 1: But when he get in front of the cameras, he

1725
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 1: knew he was. You know, he's an icon and he

1726
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:12,840
Speaker 1: had that own it off switch like no one else

1727
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 1: I've ever seen their life. That's what did you see

1728
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:21,599
Speaker 1: in the young a d over in New Orleans. Man,

1729
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie. I got there, man, I said, Man,

1730
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 1: this motherfucker is different. He's one of one. He might be.

1731
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 1: I haven't saw anybody like him since probably kg that

1732
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:34,640
Speaker 1: that could do what he'd do for us. Bringing on

1733
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 1: the court, he didn't have that. He don't have that

1734
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 1: raw rod tenacity, but he had. I'm talking about the game,

1735
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:45,920
Speaker 1: the handles, the offensive package. And the first thing I

1736
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:48,760
Speaker 1: said was like, man, this city ain't big enough for him.

1737
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 1: That motherfucker got to get up out of here. I was.

1738
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 1: I was thinking that from the jump, like ship A

1739
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 1: d gotta get somewhere where, because you know, he had

1740
01:29:57,080 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 1: his own shoe line out. I was like, man, d

1741
01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:02,519
Speaker 1: gotta get so well that that he's gonna be able

1742
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 1: to be marketable because he is, and have those those

1743
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 1: bright lights really shine on him for for people to

1744
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:12,559
Speaker 1: really know his value because while he was in New Orleans,

1745
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people, not us as basketball peers,

1746
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:20,800
Speaker 1: but the casuals we underappreciated with Anthony Davis brought to

1747
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 1: the table because of the market that he was in.

1748
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 1: So when you get a chance to kind of reflect

1749
01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:28,880
Speaker 1: on your career, I'm gonna list some names of players

1750
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 1: you play with. I'm sure there's more, but either some

1751
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:32,680
Speaker 1: of the top players just tell me what you when

1752
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:34,320
Speaker 1: you when you get a chance to reflect, you think

1753
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 1: you gotta play with Paul Pierce, Kander Garden, that Ray

1754
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 1: Island Region, Rondo, Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrooks, James Harden, Lebron,

1755
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:46,600
Speaker 1: James Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis down you get a

1756
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 1: chance but to look back and reflect on all that,

1757
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 1: what what do you what comes to mind? Ship? I

1758
01:30:52,439 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 1: was a motherfucking male grouping hoping. I'm just saying those

1759
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:06,680
Speaker 1: blessed to play with that many hall of famous man.

1760
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:10,080
Speaker 1: The one thing I would I say that I never did, though,

1761
01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:13,839
Speaker 1: is I never took playing with the motherfucker's for granted.

1762
01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:17,400
Speaker 1: I never took it for granted. I always cherished that moment.

1763
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:20,640
Speaker 1: And I was okay with being Mr. Three points and

1764
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:24,120
Speaker 1: folk rebounds because I had some bad motherfucker's I played with,

1765
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 1: and I knew my role, you know, and so man,

1766
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:29,519
Speaker 1: it was just it was a blessing, man, just to

1767
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:33,280
Speaker 1: see different types at different ages, you know, with KG

1768
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:36,719
Speaker 1: Paul and Ray was kind of older, then watching Russing

1769
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:40,920
Speaker 1: and James and and and uh Katie as they were

1770
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:45,000
Speaker 1: young sters, and then going watch how Lebron conducted himself

1771
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:47,160
Speaker 1: going with a d and I also played with the

1772
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 1: old school Gary Payton and was shack team made for

1773
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:52,800
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know what I'm saying. So it's

1774
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:55,439
Speaker 1: just like, man, I got to watch that. And then

1775
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:58,080
Speaker 1: when you look at Paul, you know, I feel like

1776
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:01,639
Speaker 1: Paul is under appreciate the man in my eyes because

1777
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:08,160
Speaker 1: killer man people don't. He was a killer man. And

1778
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:11,040
Speaker 1: look just think about this, and oh eight, when we

1779
01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:13,920
Speaker 1: had to go when we won that motherfucking ring man,

1780
01:32:14,479 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 1: Paul ain't back down to now, motherfucker. He he had

1781
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 1: to go through Joe Johnson the first round. We all

1782
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:23,960
Speaker 1: know about ice old Joe and what he did with

1783
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:26,760
Speaker 1: the Hawks and how he was on the towel. Next

1784
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 1: next round he had to face uh, he had to

1785
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 1: face who we saw in the second round. Oh, he

1786
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:35,800
Speaker 1: had to face Lebron James. Him and Braun went there

1787
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:38,439
Speaker 1: all the way to a Game seven were Braun and

1788
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 1: him going toe to toe. Then we went against the

1789
01:32:41,240 --> 01:32:45,439
Speaker 1: Pistons Chauncey, Tayshawn Prince and Rip Hamilton's. Paul held his

1790
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:48,439
Speaker 1: owning in that series. And then to end up and

1791
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:51,400
Speaker 1: go against the late great Kobe Bryant and when that

1792
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:55,439
Speaker 1: ring get the Celtic and Laker robbery in the finals

1793
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 1: and come out finals m v P. That's a hell

1794
01:32:58,160 --> 01:33:02,920
Speaker 1: of a motherfucking running just saying, especially to say especially ship.

1795
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:06,760
Speaker 1: He at the top of all the motherfucking categories in

1796
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 1: the Celtic franchise books. So you know, people just don't

1797
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:15,040
Speaker 1: give Paul enough credit because they see Paul as the analysts.

1798
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:17,639
Speaker 1: But if these this younger generation go back and watch

1799
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:21,120
Speaker 1: Paul in his younger motherfucking days when when Shaq gave

1800
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:25,120
Speaker 1: him the name truth Man, they got pet fucked up. Yeah,

1801
01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:29,519
Speaker 1: he was one of my hardest guards for Shore, no question.

1802
01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 1: Two questions on that front. Who who did you enjoy

1803
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:36,000
Speaker 1: playing against the most? And who was your who you

1804
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:39,120
Speaker 1: look forward to garden? Who I look forward to? Garden

1805
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 1: was y'all mean? Y'all mean was a motherfucker. See, people

1806
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:48,160
Speaker 1: don't understand man. Y'all me was seven six and had

1807
01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 1: really offensively he didn't have no flaws because he could

1808
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:55,160
Speaker 1: shoot the fift tea, could face up, he was strong,

1809
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:58,720
Speaker 1: drop stuff, Yeah you're dunk on you and all that ship.

1810
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:00,880
Speaker 1: He was a challenger and so I used to want

1811
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:03,479
Speaker 1: that match up one oh one to see why I

1812
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:06,880
Speaker 1: was there, especially when we played in Houston. Going back

1813
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:09,519
Speaker 1: to the crib, well, motherfucker had to buy a hundred

1814
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:12,639
Speaker 1: tickets for family and friends. I'm damn so not about

1815
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:15,000
Speaker 1: to get shown up. So that was one of my

1816
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 1: biggest challenges. But that I that I used to look

1817
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:20,640
Speaker 1: forward to because I wanted to see what it was like.

1818
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:22,479
Speaker 1: I wanted to see what it was, you know what

1819
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:25,439
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I held my own, but man, I ain't

1820
01:34:25,439 --> 01:34:27,439
Speaker 1: got a lot of biggest challenge for me was going

1821
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:34,000
Speaker 1: against zebo dog Zach Randall because I I ain't have

1822
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:37,280
Speaker 1: two motherfucker's that was ready to go back at me

1823
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:41,760
Speaker 1: like that talk ship and a fight and a and

1824
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:44,840
Speaker 1: a fight went with that, like motherfucker, we could be

1825
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:48,640
Speaker 1: the back by the bus. So so yeah, so it

1826
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:51,120
Speaker 1: was different from me. So I'm like ship, This motherfucker

1827
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:55,240
Speaker 1: ain't backing down. He talking ship as motherfucker about it.

1828
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:57,760
Speaker 1: Just as heavy and strong as I am. And I

1829
01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:01,840
Speaker 1: always had problems, so I started. He was the only guy, no,

1830
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:05,479
Speaker 1: no bullshit. He was the only guy that I actually

1831
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 1: fronted on the post and denied so he wouldn't get

1832
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:13,120
Speaker 1: the ball. M No. Zach was Zach was a walking

1833
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:17,479
Speaker 1: double double and ten. So now since you've made a

1834
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:20,720
Speaker 1: successful transition into media, like I said, said being one

1835
01:35:20,720 --> 01:35:23,919
Speaker 1: of the most prominent voices. Why is this so important

1836
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:27,000
Speaker 1: for you that utilize your voice and your platform not

1837
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:30,280
Speaker 1: only in sports, but just in the in in in

1838
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:33,599
Speaker 1: What do I want to say in the current climate

1839
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:38,120
Speaker 1: of our country. Well, well, first of all, I just followed.

1840
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:42,000
Speaker 1: I followed, I followed Jack Lee, I followed everybody to

1841
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:45,439
Speaker 1: leave because I'll tell you something, man like jumping into

1842
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:49,400
Speaker 1: that that that media space and you you're talking about basketball.

1843
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:52,479
Speaker 1: It's so much for me to learn that I gotta

1844
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 1: learn for is when it comes down to in social

1845
01:35:55,240 --> 01:35:58,680
Speaker 1: justice and how to approach things. So one thing a

1846
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:00,880
Speaker 1: motherfucker can't do is to of me what to say.

1847
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:03,439
Speaker 1: So you know, especially in the world to day, we

1848
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:05,960
Speaker 1: have the right, every right in the world now to

1849
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:09,679
Speaker 1: speak our voice. And it be times that I can't

1850
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 1: get out there. Uh you know what I'm saying. I

1851
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 1: see Jack traveling and part of me I need to

1852
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,320
Speaker 1: beat up. But I'm over here with my wife and

1853
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:20,479
Speaker 1: my four kids trying to make this living. And Jack

1854
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:22,760
Speaker 1: could tell you, Matt Ship, I didn't hear them up

1855
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 1: like a look, I can't beat up, bro, but Ship,

1856
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 1: let me know what I could donate to or whatever

1857
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:31,160
Speaker 1: the case may be. But I feel like it's definitely

1858
01:36:31,240 --> 01:36:35,920
Speaker 1: important with me. With me having a platform, the least

1859
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:38,280
Speaker 1: I could do is speak on ship. You know what

1860
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:40,719
Speaker 1: I'm saying is the least I could do is speak

1861
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:43,000
Speaker 1: on ship and say, you know what, a man, that

1862
01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:46,639
Speaker 1: ship ain't right. This motherfucker ain't the right person. Tell

1863
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:50,120
Speaker 1: motherfucker on how I feel. Use this platform. I don't

1864
01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:52,720
Speaker 1: have a million followers, but I got enough followers that

1865
01:36:53,120 --> 01:36:56,400
Speaker 1: I could affect some motherfucker life and say something out there.

1866
01:36:56,479 --> 01:36:58,880
Speaker 1: So you know, that's what I pushed for. Man. And

1867
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 1: here's the crazy is the thing is that the thing

1868
01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:05,720
Speaker 1: that I don't like the most about what's going on

1869
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:09,920
Speaker 1: is in our world for is like especially in the

1870
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:14,759
Speaker 1: African American community, is that we tend to judge one another,

1871
01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:17,880
Speaker 1: and that ain't cool. Like my thing is is that

1872
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:22,160
Speaker 1: long as we're all fighting for the right cause and

1873
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:26,240
Speaker 1: everybody hardest in the right place, support your brother and

1874
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:30,599
Speaker 1: whatever that he's doing. Don't judge your motherfucker about how

1875
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 1: he's going about doing something. And I tell people that

1876
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:37,599
Speaker 1: about any person, whether it's Jack, whether it's Brown, whether

1877
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:41,200
Speaker 1: it's you man or whoever, how they're doing it. Let

1878
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:43,280
Speaker 1: them do it how they want to do it, because

1879
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:45,360
Speaker 1: they are. At the end of the day, we're all

1880
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:48,240
Speaker 1: fighting for the same cause. I don't give a funk

1881
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:50,840
Speaker 1: what it is. Let them do it how they do it.

1882
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:53,240
Speaker 1: Long as you know their motherfucker's hard is in the

1883
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:56,080
Speaker 1: right place. I'm cool with that. And people and people

1884
01:37:56,160 --> 01:37:59,760
Speaker 1: be so quick, Oh man, why why he's so outspoken,

1885
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:02,120
Speaker 1: Why he's doing this? Goddamn If that man want to

1886
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:05,720
Speaker 1: use his motherfucking platform and be out spoken about ship

1887
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:08,479
Speaker 1: that need to be talked about, motherfucker, let him do it.

1888
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:12,360
Speaker 1: Found the funk back just because he ain't. Just because

1889
01:38:12,439 --> 01:38:14,920
Speaker 1: he ain't doing it, Joe, motherfucking way, don't mean it

1890
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 1: ain't right. No. Let let Jack be Jack, Let Matt

1891
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:24,479
Speaker 1: be Matt. Let everybody be who everybody, long as we

1892
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:26,639
Speaker 1: fight for the same right cause, and you can see

1893
01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:29,840
Speaker 1: a motherfucking hardest in the right place, let them do them. Man,

1894
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:33,360
Speaker 1: I can, I can. I probably ran out of fingers

1895
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:36,639
Speaker 1: count how many times out the same perk on ESPN,

1896
01:38:36,760 --> 01:38:39,160
Speaker 1: you know, basically, cut the show off and give me

1897
01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:41,000
Speaker 1: props of what I've been doing. But I think I

1898
01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:43,320
Speaker 1: appreciate it. But I think the thing with me is

1899
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:46,280
Speaker 1: I don't care who get credit. You know what I'm saying, people,

1900
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:49,240
Speaker 1: it's too many people worrying about who get credit for change,

1901
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:51,160
Speaker 1: and we all want to We all fight for the

1902
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:53,240
Speaker 1: same thing, so it don't matter who the face of it,

1903
01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:55,360
Speaker 1: It don't matter who get credit for it, as long

1904
01:38:55,439 --> 01:38:57,519
Speaker 1: as we all fight for the same thing. And we

1905
01:38:57,640 --> 01:39:00,559
Speaker 1: compete too much in our race. You know what I'm saying.

1906
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:03,280
Speaker 1: We compete entirely too much, you know what I mean.

1907
01:39:03,479 --> 01:39:05,639
Speaker 1: And that's some of the biggest problems that's holding us back.

1908
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:09,160
Speaker 1: Bro That ship don't make no damn sense, man. And

1909
01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:12,400
Speaker 1: like I told people, I said, I'll be telling people

1910
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:16,120
Speaker 1: about you all the time, Stackers, that people don't understand

1911
01:39:16,479 --> 01:39:19,760
Speaker 1: your relationship with George Floyd God rest his soul, man.

1912
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:24,840
Speaker 1: People don't understand that relationship. And sometimes you don't know

1913
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:27,519
Speaker 1: what level you would take it to until that ship

1914
01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:30,960
Speaker 1: really hit home, hit close to home, and then you

1915
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:33,400
Speaker 1: don't know, you don't know what where to push that

1916
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:36,080
Speaker 1: button for you to take it to a whole another

1917
01:39:36,240 --> 01:39:39,120
Speaker 1: level where it's like, now, funk that fun. Everything I'm

1918
01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:41,720
Speaker 1: doing right now, I'm gonna stand for this motherfucking ship

1919
01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:44,559
Speaker 1: until you hit close to home. And I always say,

1920
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:49,160
Speaker 1: we always live in the world of thinking ship can't

1921
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:52,240
Speaker 1: happen to us, or ship can't happen to people that's

1922
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 1: close to us, and we need to quit doing that

1923
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:59,040
Speaker 1: because ship could happen to us. Bro real, don't wait

1924
01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:02,760
Speaker 1: to hit your daughter up. That's why I think has

1925
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:04,720
Speaker 1: shown us all right, man, but this has been an

1926
01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:09,160
Speaker 1: amazing interview. Man, but we're coming down. Appreciate to our

1927
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:12,439
Speaker 1: quick hitters, Jack start him off with the quick hitters. Alright,

1928
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:14,920
Speaker 1: top five big man of all time in your opinion.

1929
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:18,680
Speaker 1: Oh you gotta you gotta put Shack in though you

1930
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:23,280
Speaker 1: gotta put Shack, you gotta put Areem. Uh, you gotta

1931
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:28,040
Speaker 1: put Bill Russell. See here's the tricky part. Here's the

1932
01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:30,800
Speaker 1: tricky point. When it comes down with me. I ain't

1933
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:34,200
Speaker 1: never out of respect. You gotta put Will Chamberlain. And

1934
01:40:34,439 --> 01:40:36,719
Speaker 1: I never saw a Whill chamber You know what I'm saying.

1935
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:41,560
Speaker 1: I never saw he did score a hundred points and

1936
01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:45,200
Speaker 1: his numbers was insane. And when I think they think

1937
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:47,800
Speaker 1: not to cut you off real quick, perk. My whole

1938
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:50,240
Speaker 1: thing with with the chamber and thing obviously respect is

1939
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:52,920
Speaker 1: paid because his numbers were video game numbers. But I

1940
01:40:53,040 --> 01:40:56,800
Speaker 1: just think the average talent back then wasn't you know

1941
01:40:56,840 --> 01:40:58,439
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like to me, I think he still

1942
01:40:58,479 --> 01:40:59,920
Speaker 1: would have been a really good player if you got

1943
01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:03,599
Speaker 1: to play with other mountains like Shock and Elijah Wan

1944
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:06,880
Speaker 1: and Mourning and you Wing and all these other dudes

1945
01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:08,760
Speaker 1: that are similar to his size. But he never really

1946
01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:13,720
Speaker 1: got that. Matt, Matt, Matt, you were talking about his

1947
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:17,160
Speaker 1: hoop numbers. I wasn't talking about his hoop numbers. He

1948
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:21,800
Speaker 1: was talking about that. Yeah, he's just man, I'm talking

1949
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:27,800
Speaker 1: about numbers. That's top five all Alonge. Ain't nobody that

1950
01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:34,320
Speaker 1: motherfucker that motherfucker Will Chamblin was playing against against motherfucker's

1951
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:37,760
Speaker 1: who was dubbling the ball like at one right hand man.

1952
01:41:38,360 --> 01:41:41,840
Speaker 1: That's why I am really so so. But then but

1953
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:43,880
Speaker 1: then you got to put a key in there. That's

1954
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:48,880
Speaker 1: my top five bigs. Absolutely, you can't. You can't. Yeah,

1955
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:52,720
Speaker 1: so you plus four going to play a pickup game

1956
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:55,320
Speaker 1: in the park? Who what four would you take? Retired

1957
01:41:55,720 --> 01:42:01,280
Speaker 1: or current players? I'm plus what you say, plus four? Right?

1958
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:03,680
Speaker 1: B plus? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? You plus four going to

1959
01:42:03,720 --> 01:42:10,960
Speaker 1: play a pickup game in the park. Four in the park? Ship, Yeah, man, No,

1960
01:42:11,240 --> 01:42:16,679
Speaker 1: no bullshit. Give me me at the center, Zach rand

1961
01:42:16,720 --> 01:42:20,120
Speaker 1: Off at the four, give me Matt Bonds at the two,

1962
01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:25,160
Speaker 1: Jack at the three, motherfucking and get me uh make ship,

1963
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:27,519
Speaker 1: get me round at the point. I need goals. And

1964
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:30,519
Speaker 1: we're going to the motherfucking park us five. We're gonna

1965
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:33,479
Speaker 1: go that motherfucker's fit right in because the punk ain't.

1966
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:37,080
Speaker 1: What the first thing is is that the punk ain't

1967
01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:39,400
Speaker 1: about to be full of the low league motherfucker's. That's

1968
01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:42,240
Speaker 1: the first thing. So we already got the advantage. And two,

1969
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:45,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna need some motherfucker's with one. Gonna be ready

1970
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:46,960
Speaker 1: to get down and dirty and gonna be ready to

1971
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:49,360
Speaker 1: scrap it. We motherfucking have to. And I need to

1972
01:42:49,439 --> 01:42:55,120
Speaker 1: bring folk motherfucker's that I know thised, no swinging bags.

1973
01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:01,320
Speaker 1: All right, here we go. One NBA played one NBA

1974
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:05,920
Speaker 1: player you wish you could have played with? That you

1975
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:08,720
Speaker 1: did play with. Damn that played with everybody. So I

1976
01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:11,000
Speaker 1: don't know how you're gonna answer this question, but name

1977
01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:12,960
Speaker 1: somebody that you wish you could have played with that

1978
01:43:13,080 --> 01:43:19,080
Speaker 1: you didn't. Oh, oh, motherfucker played with a lot of superstars.

1979
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:24,320
Speaker 1: Well obviously with everybody. Now wish me and Jack could

1980
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:28,200
Speaker 1: have because I fold none connection. But that's that's already known.

1981
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:32,200
Speaker 1: But you know what I wish I could have played

1982
01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:36,680
Speaker 1: with motherfucking uh. I wish I could have played with T. Mac. Man.

1983
01:43:36,920 --> 01:43:40,120
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie man. T. T Mac was before

1984
01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:44,839
Speaker 1: his time, like T Mac was borderline kad before Katie,

1985
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:48,400
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying. Yeah, like you dealt

1986
01:43:48,479 --> 01:43:51,360
Speaker 1: with some injuries, but Mac was a motherfucker man six

1987
01:43:51,439 --> 01:43:55,280
Speaker 1: ten at their Too Guard. He was a motherfucker yeah.

1988
01:43:56,920 --> 01:44:00,880
Speaker 1: And how high off the floor, how high he jumped

1989
01:44:00,920 --> 01:44:03,080
Speaker 1: on his jumpers, like you could there nothing you can

1990
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:05,200
Speaker 1: do with that man, get by you dunk on the

1991
01:44:05,240 --> 01:44:11,519
Speaker 1: whole team. Mac was a killer uh five five dinner

1992
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:17,000
Speaker 1: gas ded or alive man. You know what, Kobe? Because

1993
01:44:17,080 --> 01:44:20,280
Speaker 1: I wanna, like you always want to know what's going

1994
01:44:20,360 --> 01:44:23,560
Speaker 1: on in and Kobe mine right, Like you know what

1995
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:25,640
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I wanted to know what I wanted to

1996
01:44:25,720 --> 01:44:28,519
Speaker 1: know what he was thinking. I wanted to know his approach.

1997
01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:30,720
Speaker 1: The one time I did meet him, man, it was

1998
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:36,400
Speaker 1: like real mom, real motherfucker in Vegas. But Kobe uh

1999
01:44:38,360 --> 01:44:42,160
Speaker 1: magic because because Magic just feel like he just he

2000
01:44:42,280 --> 01:44:45,000
Speaker 1: got he brings so much life, Like it feels like

2001
01:44:45,080 --> 01:44:47,519
Speaker 1: if you're having a bad motherfucking day, he feels like

2002
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:50,040
Speaker 1: he gonna be the It's that motherfucker who's gonna make

2003
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:53,439
Speaker 1: you forget about everything that you motherfucker was going through

2004
01:44:53,479 --> 01:44:56,479
Speaker 1: and go shine some light on your motherfucking day. Um.

2005
01:44:56,840 --> 01:45:00,519
Speaker 1: Bill Russell, Man, Bill Russell seemed like a funny motherfucker.

2006
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:04,120
Speaker 1: Every time you him on interviews, He's always talking ship

2007
01:45:04,280 --> 01:45:06,800
Speaker 1: to a motherfucker or saying how he would have bust.

2008
01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:09,519
Speaker 1: Somebody asks like I want to sit down with old

2009
01:45:09,560 --> 01:45:14,519
Speaker 1: school and him talk about those stories. And then number

2010
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:17,280
Speaker 1: four is a guy that's playing right now. Man, he's

2011
01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:20,479
Speaker 1: seen I just haven't seen a seven six guy like

2012
01:45:20,680 --> 01:45:24,280
Speaker 1: this with this much swag. And that's that's Taco fall.

2013
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:28,920
Speaker 1: Big Taco falls different. Yeah, yeah, man, Big Taco a

2014
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:33,400
Speaker 1: different type of dude man. And he's interesting. Yeah dog,

2015
01:45:33,479 --> 01:45:36,320
Speaker 1: he dressed with swag. He'd be working on this game

2016
01:45:36,439 --> 01:45:38,439
Speaker 1: like he'll guard or some ship. Like, I want to

2017
01:45:38,520 --> 01:45:41,640
Speaker 1: know what's going on with Big Taco, So him and

2018
01:45:41,720 --> 01:45:44,720
Speaker 1: I want to ship. I want to I want to

2019
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:48,240
Speaker 1: sit down man with Dame Dollar Dog. Dame Dollars seemed

2020
01:45:48,280 --> 01:45:51,560
Speaker 1: like a real motherfucker dog dame dollars a motherfucker like

2021
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:54,240
Speaker 1: I just want to kick it with, pick his brain

2022
01:45:54,320 --> 01:45:57,400
Speaker 1: and see what he talked about. Going to laugh him him,

2023
01:45:57,560 --> 01:46:03,320
Speaker 1: drop them bars and ship. That's it though, Yeah, all right,

2024
01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:06,840
Speaker 1: last last question? All right? Who didn't want to see

2025
01:46:06,920 --> 01:46:09,719
Speaker 1: on all the smoke? But before you answer this question

2026
01:46:10,360 --> 01:46:12,240
Speaker 1: you're answer, you have to help us with your answer.

2027
01:46:12,920 --> 01:46:18,559
Speaker 1: Shop ain't been along the smoke? Um, Yes, he yes,

2028
01:46:18,640 --> 01:46:22,040
Speaker 1: he has, Yes he has. You damn right, you damn

2029
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:24,559
Speaker 1: he came to the interview, He came to the interview

2030
01:46:24,560 --> 01:46:28,479
Speaker 1: with damn right, you're damn right he was on that motherfucker. Man,

2031
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:30,960
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of ship. Y'all didn't have all

2032
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:37,479
Speaker 1: the powerful motherfucker's on. No, not not real talk though, ship.

2033
01:46:37,560 --> 01:46:39,280
Speaker 1: Who would I? Who would? I want to see y'all

2034
01:46:39,320 --> 01:46:43,120
Speaker 1: your ain with man. You know what I'm gonna say

2035
01:46:43,200 --> 01:46:46,519
Speaker 1: this and this gonna fuck y'all head up. I want

2036
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:50,719
Speaker 1: to see y'all dive deep with a motherfucker who didn't

2037
01:46:50,760 --> 01:46:53,200
Speaker 1: lost a lot of respect with me. I want to

2038
01:46:53,240 --> 01:46:57,240
Speaker 1: see y'all bring him on. Matt Steve, my brother's, my partners,

2039
01:46:57,800 --> 01:47:01,120
Speaker 1: my family. I want you to bring on Jason Whitlock,

2040
01:47:01,640 --> 01:47:05,080
Speaker 1: Bring on Jason Whitlock and y'all too, and I want

2041
01:47:05,120 --> 01:47:08,040
Speaker 1: to hear that conversation I wanted. I want you to,

2042
01:47:08,280 --> 01:47:11,960
Speaker 1: motherfucker's to put your private side because y'all feel the

2043
01:47:12,040 --> 01:47:15,080
Speaker 1: same way I feel about them. Bring him own and

2044
01:47:16,160 --> 01:47:18,800
Speaker 1: I know, bring him on and you too, motherfucker's have

2045
01:47:19,120 --> 01:47:22,960
Speaker 1: in death conversation. Put you'all private side, and get the

2046
01:47:23,080 --> 01:47:27,000
Speaker 1: audience big perkon what they want. I want to hear

2047
01:47:27,080 --> 01:47:32,639
Speaker 1: that motherfucker conversation because y'all, look, I feel I feel

2048
01:47:32,680 --> 01:47:35,080
Speaker 1: the same way. The question that we're gonna do it,

2049
01:47:35,320 --> 01:47:37,760
Speaker 1: the question is he gonna do it? He talked so

2050
01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:41,120
Speaker 1: much he ain't on, but he won't. He's gonna put

2051
01:47:41,200 --> 01:47:43,720
Speaker 1: himself in that line of fire. He's not gonna put

2052
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:45,800
Speaker 1: himself in that line of five. He might do it.

2053
01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:47,840
Speaker 1: He might do it virtually. He might do it like this.

2054
01:47:48,160 --> 01:47:52,360
Speaker 1: He might he might do it virtually. He's doing virtually

2055
01:47:52,360 --> 01:47:54,720
Speaker 1: because you know, a motherfucker can't put them pause on

2056
01:47:54,840 --> 01:47:59,439
Speaker 1: them over through the motherfucker. Let's say. That's that's why

2057
01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:01,560
Speaker 1: I got a lot of respect for I got a

2058
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:03,680
Speaker 1: lot of respect for him. As far as you know

2059
01:48:03,680 --> 01:48:05,320
Speaker 1: what I'm saying opening, opening the door, and give me

2060
01:48:05,320 --> 01:48:08,200
Speaker 1: the opportunity on the show. But on this show, Matta

2061
01:48:08,280 --> 01:48:10,200
Speaker 1: tell you man, Matt have been on the show that together.

2062
01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:13,519
Speaker 1: On his show, we never I never agree with nothing

2063
01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:15,400
Speaker 1: he said, because it seemed like he went on he

2064
01:48:15,439 --> 01:48:19,960
Speaker 1: went the opposite against us on purpose, purpose and purpose

2065
01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:23,040
Speaker 1: and and and see. That's why I think. That's why

2066
01:48:23,080 --> 01:48:26,599
Speaker 1: I think bringing him mold would be great. That's why

2067
01:48:26,640 --> 01:48:29,960
Speaker 1: I think it would be great. Like, motherfucker, let's let's

2068
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:32,920
Speaker 1: have a sit down. Let's keep it one hunted, motherfucker,

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