1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Did Cool Stuff. It's 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: the show that you listened to on as a podcast, 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: but no one has iPods anymore. Helloa, that you'll never 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: thought about that. 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 2: Well. There was a unnamed celebrity that I who I 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: had to work with on a podcast at one point 7 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: in time, that kept calling her podcast her iPad and 8 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: I was okay with that. 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 3: I love it. 10 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: I love it for me, it would be my phone cast. 11 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: The voices you've heard include our guests this week, Juan Monique, hooray. 12 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 3: Hey, I'm still here and I'm really excited because we 13 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 3: can talk more about breakfast. 14 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 1: I know. But Okay, before we started recording, you mentioned 15 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: that you say, Joel writes for a bunch of God, 16 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: You've written for everything. 17 00:00:59,240 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 3: A lot of places. 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you used to write for home improvement shows. 19 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 3: Okay, so I didn't write for home improvement shows. I 20 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 3: was a production assistant and an office assistant. Did I 21 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 3: start an NDA, I don't think so. 22 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was what I was thinking as I'm about 23 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: to ask you this. 24 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 3: I was like, I'll just say it's one of the 25 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 3: major ones where everyone seems to have no job but 26 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 3: a budget of a million dollars. So if you know, 27 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 3: if you know the show, you know the show. But yeah, 28 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 3: so I worked for them for years. It was not. 29 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: But what I'm saying, it's chaotic. People should ask Joelle 30 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: for home improvement and redecoration advice. 31 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 3: I have many thoughts and if I don't know, I 32 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 3: know somebody who does know. I'll get you the hook up. 33 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: Hell yeah. I finally introduced house plants to my house recently. 34 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 3: Lovely, do you have a name? 35 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: Some So I always thought I had an opposite of 36 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: a green thumb because when I was an elementary school, 37 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: they were like, it's plant a Tree Day, and they 38 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: like just give you a pine tree and then you 39 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: like take home and you plant it and mine died 40 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: and so then I was like, I don't know how 41 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: to get that stuff for me. Yeah, and I like 42 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: never did it ever again. And then now I'm like 43 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: a prepper and live in the woods and I'm like, 44 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: I need to grow food. Yeah, so right now I 45 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: have some like beans growing and some I think spearmint 46 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: and some other stuff, but I have house plants. Finally, 47 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: I really random shit, I grew some potatoes last year 48 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: because I felt like i'd be a poser if I didn't, 49 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: because we used to like do this whole potato bit 50 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 1: on the show A lot. 51 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 3: Potatoes are great. They're they're survivalists. Uh, they will not 52 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 3: die and they're delicious in many, many, many forms. An 53 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 3: excellent plant to cheese to grow. 54 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, what are your house plants? I can't even remember 55 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: the name one spider plant? 56 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 2: You can't you can't. 57 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I got like, can't kill ones. 58 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 3: Okay, industrial strength plants. Yeah. 59 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: But I'm like because I was like, I have a 60 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: I have an anti green thumb, and I'm going to 61 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: kill them. And then I'm like, I actually don't. I'm 62 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: like a reasonably responsible person. I have like a pretty 63 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: set schedule. I don't have a problem watering my plants 64 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: once a week. Like, uh, what if I convinced myself, 65 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: I've convinced myself that I'm incapable of taking care anyway. 66 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: Your your spider plant will be fine. My spider plant 67 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 2: currently lives on top of my freezer, getting no light 68 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 2: and I barely water it and remember it's there and 69 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 2: it looks great. 70 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, next time we talk, Margaret, I bet you have 71 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 3: like nine plants. That's what happened, Like mist missed I 72 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 3: don't know those miss disperser things are in special lights 73 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 3: and amazing. I can't wait. 74 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: The other voice that you're hearing is so fie me. 75 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 2: Now, if you want to talk plants, you you can 76 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: talk to me on the internet about that. I would 77 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 2: love to talk to you about plants. 78 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: I think that people like because like people like randomly 79 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: tech podcasters to be like, I want to talk to 80 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: you about these very specific things, and they're always the 81 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: wrong specific things. Yeah, yes, especially when people get mad 82 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: at me about mispronouncing. I mispronounced the name of an 83 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: Irish town last week, and no one will let me 84 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: live my life. 85 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: Leave Margaret all about that. 86 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 3: But Irish love to do that across it. There's multiple 87 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 3: podcasts I've heard from where they're like trying to say 88 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 3: something from an Irish space, and inevitably here comes the 89 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 3: whole school of people be like, that's not it. Your 90 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 3: language is tricky and we're doing our best. 91 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I look up so many pronunciations before I 92 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,799 Speaker 1: write these scripts. But I have one week to write 93 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: these scripts, and since I like give myself weekends because 94 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: my my heroes fought and died for those things. Yeah, like, anyway, 95 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: I don't remember why we're talking about that. Oh, but 96 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: you can message us about plants, yes. 97 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 2: Speaking people who have plants Ian, our editor. I remember 98 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: the first the first time when I interviewed him to 99 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 2: be like, please work for us. Mostly it was mostly 100 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: me being please pick me, uh and not and then 101 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: not actually interviewing him out he had a plant and 102 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 2: he knew how to take care of it, and I 103 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 2: was like, that's what we need. 104 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was all I tend to convince you didn't 105 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: take much graduation. 106 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: Do you understand my basketball jokes? You do? That's the 107 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:35,119 Speaker 2: life plant anyways are theme songs by un Woman. 108 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks Sophy. He's like, Margaret, you're fucking dropping the ball. 109 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: Also Hien hi Ian Oh yeah, everyone's say it has 110 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: to say hien before we. 111 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 2: So fun, so fun. 112 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: Okay, So this is part two on a two parter 113 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: about the Black Panther Party and particularly about their survival programs, 114 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: although you can't talk about those without talking about the 115 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: larger movement that they came out of, right, and so 116 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: that's that's what we're talking about today. And if you 117 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: didn't hear part one, then part of part two will 118 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: make sense. But honestly, your life will be better served 119 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: if you go back and listen to part one. 120 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 3: We had some hot cereal takes, y'all, Like, I mean, 121 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 3: you really don't want to miss that conversation. 122 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: It's Virus's true. I have I mostly eat oatmeal now, 123 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: well just as fast because I use instant oatmeal because 124 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: I I am not picky. And then like cereal, you 125 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: can put like a banana in right, but oatmeal you 126 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: can put a banana or peanut, butter or nut. 127 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 3: Your golden raisins in there. You can do extra cinemon 128 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 3: if that's your dive. Oatmeal is great, especially I think 129 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 3: when you live in wilderness. I used to live in 130 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 3: wilderness and you have a hot bowl oatmeal, you feel 131 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 3: very connected to the land of the people who lived here. 132 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 3: For this is a meal we've been eating for a 133 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 3: long time and it still hits. Add a little apple 134 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 3: in there in the fall stop it amazing good. 135 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: So the survival programs of the Black Panther Party, these 136 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: are their most successful programs, and they started because their 137 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: connections to black religious communities. When I first started this podcast, 138 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: I kind of thought I'd be like, oh, I'm going 139 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: to like write back in all of the like women 140 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: and anarchists and other people who are written out of 141 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: all this history, right, Hell yeah, and I still do that, 142 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: and I'm going to do that here a little bit 143 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: because we're going to talk about both women and anarchists 144 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: and the Panthers. But but the thing that keeps coming up, 145 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: at least as much as anything else, is that religious 146 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: religiosity is also written out of a lot of these histories, 147 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: especially if you're reading it from like a radical point 148 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: of view. A lot of the radical points of view 149 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: are like more atheistic, right, and so like people are like, oh, well, 150 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: the Panthers had this survival program, and if they mentioned 151 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: it's out of church, it's just like ah, because that's 152 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: where there's a building. 153 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 3: That was the location that would do it. 154 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, there were religious aspects of the Panthers. This is 155 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: not like a majority thing. I'm not claiming there's a 156 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: religious movement. There are religious people who are involved in it, 157 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: whether you have Protestants in Oakland, Black Catholics in Chicago, 158 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: or Yoruba in Islam and the New York Panthers, the 159 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: religious aspects are absolutely a part of it. And Reverend 160 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: Earl A. Neil is a Black episcopal pastor. He's still around. 161 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: I think he lives in South Africa now. He moved 162 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: there in the nineties to help fight apartheid, and he 163 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: walked his first picket line when he was seven years old. 164 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: He was all over the civil rights movement. He went 165 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: to the South to register voters. I think I forgot 166 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: to writ where he's from. He's from the Upper Midwest somewhere, 167 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: maybe Minneapolis, but I didn't write that down. And he 168 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: ends up going to Chicago for a while, and he 169 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 1: ends up organizing marches. He works to root out racism 170 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: in the episcopal hierarchy. And then he moves to Oakland 171 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: in the late sixties and pretty quickly starts throwing down 172 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: with the Panthers. He never joined formally, but he let 173 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: the panthers meet at his church and they would come 174 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: unarmed in deference to the church right. And one night 175 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: he sheltered some panthers. And I actually think, this is 176 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: my conjecture, I think he saved their lives because cops 177 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: came in force to arrest the Panthers at one of 178 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 1: their meetings. This is the day before Martin Luther King 179 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: Junior was assassinated, and it is three days before Bobby 180 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: Hutton was murdered, right, it is entirely possible that the 181 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: cops are there to murder the panthers. That does not 182 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: feel outside of the realm of possibility to me at all. 183 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 1: Reverend Neil went outside and basically it's like you can't 184 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: come in, and they're like, ah, drat, and then they 185 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: leave again. 186 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 3: They've they met the line of I have to respect 187 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 3: this figure. The head of a church. God would not 188 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 3: like that, no matter what the color. It's a bad 189 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 3: look for me. Wow, what a brave person, because you 190 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 3: never know some people may not adhere to that that ideal. 191 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 3: It's crazy. 192 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, he went out alone and he'd like talked them 193 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: down and like had them go away. You know, there's 194 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: like I read his take on the whole thing, and yeah, 195 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: it's just like first he gets first, he's like, you 196 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: don't need all these cops here if you're just here 197 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: because the cops were like, oh, we're here because we 198 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: heard there was a black man with a gun around, right, 199 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 1: and like this is just literally not true. 200 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 3: Right, of course they don't need to tell it. 201 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: They came on it invested. Yeah. A few days later, 202 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: his church held a joint memorial service from Martin Luther 203 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: King Junior and Bobby Hutton and Earl Neil has been 204 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: called the spiritual advisor to the Black Panthers, and he 205 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: wrote about religion for their newspaper. He wrote like four 206 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: different front page articles over the years for them. In 207 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: January nineteen sixty nine, his church, Saint Augustine's Episcopal Church 208 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: in West Oakland started the first free breakfast for children 209 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: program that the Panthers ran. They feeding kids before they 210 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: went off to school, and he helped some write He 211 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 1: was like part of it. But a parishioner named Ruth 212 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: Beckford Smith gets the real credit is the woman who 213 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: started the most successful program that the Panthers did. I 214 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: actually don't know one way or the other whether she 215 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: was like a registered Panther. But one of the things 216 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: that's kind of interesting, right is the Panthers they peaked 217 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: at about five thousand members, but their newspaper's going, Yeah, 218 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: their newspaper is going to a quarter of a million people, 219 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: and there are like it is a larger thing than 220 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: just the core membership, you know. 221 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, the wow yea. Their impact was literally everywhere. At 222 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 3: some point, I don't know how much longer after this 223 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 3: they like, spread to New York and really go house national. 224 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 3: But wow, to do that with just five thousand people 225 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 3: is very impressive. 226 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: Yeah no. And that's with all of the different all 227 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: of the different chapters. Yeah no. And they changed the 228 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: world with five thousand people. Like m H and so 229 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: Ruth Beckford Smith and Reverend Neil they draw up a 230 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: meal plan. The thing I read didn't tell me what 231 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: was on it. I'm kind of sad for that. They 232 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: cleaned the place so it would pass health inspections, and 233 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: then they opened the doors and the first day they 234 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: had eleven kids. By the end of the week they 235 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: were feeding one hundred and thirty five kids. 236 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 3: Wow. 237 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 1: A couple months later, another church in San Francisco opened 238 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: its doors for another breakfast program on the other side 239 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: of the Bay. Before too long, there's thirty six free 240 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: breakfast programs across the country and they're feeding ten thousand 241 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: children a day. That's so beautiful, I know. And these 242 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: programs fucking ruled. They were generally in black neighborhoods, but 243 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: they were open to kids of all races. We're going 244 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: to talk more about their multiracial organizing a little bit. 245 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: When we talk about Chicago one thing that kind of 246 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: blew my mind. A lot of these kids had literally 247 00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: never eaten breakfast before. 248 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 3: Wow. 249 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: That is like wow, it's like every now and then. 250 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: It's like like poverty looks different in different times, in 251 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: different places with different people. Right, But like reading about 252 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 1: some of the Panther stuff where they're like, these kids 253 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: don't have shoes and have never eaten breakfast, you know, like. 254 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the line we're often sold this stuff happens 255 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 3: in other countries and how sad that is for them. Yeah, 256 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 3: this is our backyard. It happens here as well. It 257 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 3: is an issue, it could be easily solved. It sounds like, 258 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 3: I mean, obviously maximum effort was put in, but it 259 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 3: was done quickly and efficiently and helped so many people 260 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 3: so quickly. The bar was not that high. Yeah, that's that. Wow, 261 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 3: you're giving it their first breakfast. And also when you 262 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 3: start thinking about the way real community activism creates chain 263 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 3: reactions of success. You know, we in the last episode 264 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 3: we talked about the benefits of a breakfast and how 265 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 3: how much that can just change a kid's ability to 266 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 3: learn within a day. So you've not only done that, 267 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 3: but you've also removed a burden from a parental figure 268 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 3: who probably didn't have the money, who probably knows their 269 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 3: kid is hungary who you know for whatever, or you know, 270 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 3: now they don't have to cook it. They don't have 271 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 3: to like that's in maybe an hour. They get back 272 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 3: in their day, which you know is vital to caregivers. 273 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 3: That's amazing. 274 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm really glad you point all that out, 275 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: because there's just so many effects of this instead of 276 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: just being like, oh, it's like some free food, right, 277 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: and people are like, oh, it's some freefes's cool, free 278 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: food's great, you know, and then being like, no, this 279 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: is a this matters, you know. Yeah, And most of 280 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: these free breakfast programs are run by women, both Panthers 281 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: and non party volunteers. At this point, membership of the 282 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: Panthers is about two thirds women. One thing that I 283 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: read was that basically like the Panthers started of mostly men, right, 284 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: and then they very quickly became majority women. And part 285 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: of that apparently is like different people have just different 286 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: takes on it. But one part is that early male 287 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: leadership was on the run in jail or killed, and 288 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: so women came in and got shit done. 289 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 3: This makes a lot of sense too. I told you 290 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 3: in the previous episode. I've been reading a lot about 291 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 3: slaver volts. We know from mostly contextual history, which Margaret, 292 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 3: I'm sure you're familiar with. But it's trying to read 293 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 3: between the lines of historical documents to figure out the truth. 294 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 3: But you know, most of them were led by women. 295 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 3: And the theory is because, to be honest, they were 296 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 3: being used for sex and often not chained up, they 297 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 3: had access to tools, and because they were women, they 298 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 3: were not considered threats well banned. Now you're shot, what 299 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 3: you gonna do? You got a revolt on your head? Brilliant. 300 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 3: So this is not surprising to me at all. If 301 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 3: we think got the history of black women in this 302 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 3: country that you know, they took the lead when there 303 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 3: was an opportunity too, that's amazing. 304 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no it. And there's like and there's like 305 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: complicated conversations that women and the panthers were having around 306 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: like well, why are we in the fucking kitchen right, 307 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: but also like, well, we're going to get this shit 308 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: done because it needs to get done, you know, and 309 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: so like there's this complicated back and forth about like 310 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. 311 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, listen, it's so interesting to hear if 312 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 3: you listen to a second wave feminists, particularly second with 313 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 3: black feminists struggling with black liberation and women liberation and 314 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 3: trying to educate the men in their lives while also 315 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 3: liberating themselves while also dealing with white supremacy. Like it's 316 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 3: it's such a complex space to exist in. And here 317 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 3: we have babies that need to be fed. They need food. 318 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 3: We have the resources to do so why are there 319 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 3: no men here? The babies have to get fed. We 320 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 3: don't have time. Totally, what a difficult situation to. 321 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,719 Speaker 1: Be in, totally, And so the way that they spread 322 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: this across the country, they wrote up a manual of 323 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 1: how to run a kitchen with the stuff that they've 324 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: been learning, and each one of their kitchens at least, 325 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 1: I don't know if everyone was exactly the same, but 326 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: in the manual, at least it takes ten volunteers and 327 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: including crossing guards outside. Because they took this shit seriously. 328 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: It was like, how do we get kids safely? Like 329 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: there's like people on crowd control and stuff. There's two cooks, 330 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: but it takes ten people to build up everything else 331 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: around that, and the crossing guards was the touch where 332 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, these people fucking thought it through. 333 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, food. 334 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: And or money for food was donated by various black 335 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: owned businesses. And this is a I think this part's 336 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 1: kind of funny. It's the part like there's a lot 337 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: of stuff that gets like left out of the histories 338 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: because people want to whitewash something. But like some of 339 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: the things that are a little bit like sketchier, I 340 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: think are just as yeah, you know, like yes, of course, 341 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: so many of the black owned businesses gave super voluntarily. 342 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: Other ones. The panthers were like, man, everyone else around 343 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: here is help and feed the kids who live here. 344 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: Should would be a shame if no one came to 345 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 1: your store anymore because they knew that you weren't helping out. 346 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 3: A reasonable and decent threat if I've ever heard one, 347 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 3: because all you're really saying is I'm going to tell 348 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 3: people you don't support your community. Yeah, let's find out 349 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 3: what happens then. That is I mean, that's just justice. 350 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 3: Like either this is such a good program is actively working, 351 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 3: and you can come off a few dollars to help 352 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 3: the kids who were going to come back here and 353 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 3: frequent your store. At some point get out of here. Amazing. 354 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. I read this one like right wing account of 355 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: the survival programs and it was like talking about this 356 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: like boycott of Bob's liquor store. I don't remember what 357 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: city was in. And it was actually specifically that he 358 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't donate to the like shoes for Kids program, so 359 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 1: they organized a boycott against him. And you know, it's like, 360 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: see they're like a trying to suppress this good entrepreneur 361 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: or whatever. And I'm like no, I mean, like, it's 362 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: one thing if someone's like, hey, I need a new car, 363 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: you better give us some money, and it's another guy, 364 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 1: the kids in this neighborhood don't have shoes. You make 365 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: a lot of money in this neighborhood, maybe you can 366 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: help out. And if you don't, that's fine. No one's 367 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: gonna shop here. 368 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not bringing baseball bats to breaking knees, Like, yeah, 369 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 3: calm down. I'm also infinity perplexed by the idea that 370 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 3: somehow being a business owner makes you any kind of good. 371 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 3: I know, it's such a weird bar for people to 372 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 3: be like, yeah, you know, he's got a business. 373 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: I can trust that guy. Yeh Neil Okay, yeah, upstanding 374 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: member of the community. Like, all right, whatever you mean. 375 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:46,479 Speaker 1: He has a nicer house than some of the other 376 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: people in your neighborhood. And the carrot to match the 377 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 1: Boycott stick was that they gave advertising to their the 378 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: donators in the Panther newspaper. And one thing I got 379 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: really excited about. I really like Jimmy Hendrix when I 380 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: was younger kid. He regularly supported the Seattle program. Like 381 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: I don't think he just like gave them money once. 382 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: I think he was like, he gave regularly. The implication 383 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: is that he's supported the Seattle Free breakfast program. 384 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 3: That's oh, man, you love you love to hear your 385 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 3: heroes doing dope shit. Yes, Like when you talk to 386 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 3: women who hung around Jimmy, they're like, no, he was 387 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 3: a sweetheart. He just loved He just loved women, and 388 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 3: they just loved him. And he had survived a bunch 389 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 3: of horribly abusive men and so he just loved women. 390 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 3: And I was like, what an. 391 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: Ica, that makes me so happy. That's the like, whenever 392 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: there's like a man I look up to, I'm like, 393 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: do I want to know? Do I want to read 394 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: about what women think of him? 395 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 3: It's definitely closed eyes in mouse situation where you're just like, 396 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 3: I don't want to look. If it's presented to me, 397 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 3: I will observe, but I would just can I I 398 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 3: just really want to believe you're a good person. But 399 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 3: also I'll just never support a man verbally. I'll never 400 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 3: be out here being like and this guy you can trust, 401 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 3: No trust you, but. 402 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: You know what you can trust as well as you 403 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: can trust it a random stranger, eh is good Advertisers, 404 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: We're brought to you today by breakfast. Eat breakfast. If 405 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: you don't eat breakfast, maybe you have reasons and you 406 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 1: don't want to hear about why you should. And I maybe. 407 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 2: Definitely eat yeah one of my favorite meals. 408 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, but eat food when you're hungry. That's the only advertiser. 409 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: And if any others slip in, that is a mistake. 410 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: And you can write to our complaint department at I write, 411 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: Okay on. 412 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 2: X, I'm gonna keep calling it Twitter. 413 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 414 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm almost like being ruder to it 415 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: by calling it X because I'm like, this fucking bullshit thing. 416 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 3: Here's zero SEO for your website. I was gonna type 417 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 3: in X. Yeah, you still have to type in Twitter 418 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 3: dot com endlessly confusing. 419 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, andlessly confusing. Anyway, here's breakfast and we're back. So 420 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: all the cop watching an arms standoffs and shit. They 421 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: appealed to one chunk of the black population, the more 422 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: confrontational chunk. The free breakfast program made a much wider 423 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: group of people into panthers and their supporters. One in 424 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: three black kids in the city of Minneapolis ate their breakfast. 425 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: There about twelve thousand kids total. 426 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh my little heart. 427 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 1: School administrators immediately noticed students doing better, and they didn't 428 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 1: have to wait decades. Now we have science to back 429 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: this up. But like administrators would just like come in 430 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: and be like, you all are doing the fucking lord's work. 431 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: I guess most people don't say fucking lord's work. People 432 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 1: usually say one or the other. 433 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 3: The real ones do, Marge, the real. 434 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: They were like, the kids aren't falling asleep in class anymore, 435 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: and like not everyone's grouchy all the time. Right, And 436 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: I'd heard about this program time and time again. Right, 437 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: this looms very large in the radical history of the 438 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 1: United States, and for very good reason. I actually skirted 439 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: around the panthers and like probably a dozen episodes at 440 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: this point. So, and there were some things that people 441 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: would say about the breakfast program that I wasn't sure 442 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: if we're true. People were like, oh, the free breakfast 443 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: program was really what scared the government way more than 444 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: the armed marches. So I looked it up. Yep, that's true. 445 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: Women's work scared the shit out of the FBI because 446 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: it made the panthers look good. It showed that very 447 00:23:55,040 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: clearly that the existing system was not functioning. Right to 448 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: quote FBI Director j Edgar Hoover, who'd already announced that 449 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: the panthers were the number one domestic threat to US security, 450 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 1: which is impressive, five thousand people, right, he said about 451 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: the breakfast programs, quote, the program represents the best and 452 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: most influential activity going for the BPP, and as such 453 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: is potentially the greatest threat to efforts by authorities to 454 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: neutralize the BPP to and destroy what it stands for. 455 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 3: Feeding black children. I hate it, Yeah, so evil, definitely 456 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 3: the thing that could bring this great nation to her knees. Yeah, well, 457 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 3: fed children in school? You yeah, cowardly bitch. Just oh, 458 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 3: it's so. It's so. When you there's a TUPAC documentary, 459 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 3: it's a series on Hulu Stay with Me his mother 460 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 3: as I'm sure you know, maybe we get into her later, 461 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,160 Speaker 3: member of the Black Panther. 462 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: She's come up a couple of times, and she's going 463 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: to be in one of the court cases I'm gonna 464 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: talk about. 465 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 3: Later, Okay, so i won't get into her, but there's 466 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 3: a clip she is fucking epic and was still her 467 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 3: dying day, like amazing human being. She raised her son 468 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 3: in the Black Panther Party. He was sort of being 469 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 3: raised to be a leader in the Black Panther Party. 470 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 3: This documentary explores a lot of that, but within it, 471 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 3: there's this clip of them, a bunch of like young dudes, 472 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 3: teachers maybe in their mid thirties, talking to very young boys, 473 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 3: like seventy nine macs, and they're asking them how old 474 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 3: are you? Maybe I'm six, No, you're not five. You 475 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 3: know I'm six, And they're like, no, you're five, okay five. 476 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 3: They're like don't no, no, They're like, don't let someone 477 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 3: change the way you think. Don't let someone. They're teaching 478 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 3: them about how they're going to be conditioned and giving 479 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 3: them tools so early to navigate, like a system that 480 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 3: they like. It's crazy to be a black parent. I 481 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 3: can't imagine doing it myself to like, know, you don't 482 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,479 Speaker 3: have to send your kids out into a society that 483 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 3: actively hates them. To have a Black Panther Party that 484 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 3: is doing a lot of the work that is often 485 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,360 Speaker 3: left to parents. Be like, here's how you think your 486 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 3: way out of racism actively in a moment, Because when 487 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 3: you experience an act of hate or prejudice, a lot 488 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 3: of times your system shuts down. You really have to 489 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 3: be trained to use the tools to survive. And the 490 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 3: Black Panther Party by creating a space like the Breakfast 491 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 3: program that could allow children to gather safely before school, 492 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 3: and then having these people in there who are educated 493 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 3: and prepared to teach them about how to navigate those systems. 494 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 3: I mean it, it's so crazy to think about how 495 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 3: that was demonized, how efficiently and effectively that was demonized, 496 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 3: and to see it so happening lely across this country. 497 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 3: The way they're trying to rewrite the laws of what 498 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 3: can be taught at school and things like that. Oh, 499 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 3: it's sickening and it's hard. It's hard to hear about 500 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 3: all these lovely things knowing you're still fighting these fights 501 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 3: and trying to get these very basic programs that clearly worked. 502 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: I know, like instilled. And it's like, if teaching people 503 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: the truth about race relations in America destroys America, then 504 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: America deserves to be destroyed. 505 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 3: Two thousand percent. If you have to hide the truth 506 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 3: to be comfortable, then what have you sacrificed? It's not 507 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 3: worth it. And also it's only creating comfort for you. 508 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 3: Literally nobody else is comforted by information. It's so damning 509 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 3: and hurtful. It is trying to imagine being an educator 510 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 3: or an institution of learning in Florida right now, and 511 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 3: my heart is just with them. Whatn'n uphill battle? 512 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I honestly can't imagine. And then there's like everyone's 513 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: being like, oh, if you'r trends, you got to get 514 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: out of Florida. And it's like most of us are poor, 515 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 1: and like, do you know an awful lot of us 516 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: like not me, I'm a good family that loves me. 517 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 1: A lot of us are like kicked out of our 518 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,239 Speaker 1: families and don't have like things to fall back on, 519 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: Like how the fuck do you think all the trans 520 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: kids are supposed to like leave Florida? 521 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 3: You know, I also think, fuck you if you tell 522 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 3: people to leave the South is of a the problem 523 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 3: is consistently it's only congregated there. This is a national problem, 524 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 3: not a specific Southern problem. And on top of that, 525 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 3: we know that like Florida has a huge queer population, 526 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 3: a huge queer population of people. Yeah, you're just loving 527 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 3: and having families down there, and many of them have 528 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 3: been redlined out of existence in the same way that 529 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 3: they do with black, brown indigenous people. So to tell 530 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 3: people like, oh, just leave, like the problems won't follow them, 531 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 3: Like they haven't made a home here, Like they don't 532 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 3: deserve to stay in Texas or Louisiana or wherever they 533 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 3: feel like is their home. It's just crazy to me 534 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 3: to be like huge change, not those fuckers change. 535 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, and if people do you know, like I've 536 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: always been like, look, if you feel like you gotta 537 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: leave for safety, leave for safety. If you feel like 538 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: you're going to stay and fight because you have no 539 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: choice or because you want to full support support people 540 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: who stay, support people who go. Just support people who 541 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: are fucking dealing with oppression, you know, And like yeah, 542 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: but like, no teaching the actual truth about history in 543 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: this country it's just like if. 544 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 3: You slavery had a positive effect. 545 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: Oh my god, and then like everyone that they list 546 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: with like learned their trades after whatever. 547 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 3: Anyway, I just yeah, no, just the lack of logic, 548 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 3: the lie. Does you want people to swallow? 549 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: Do you think that they'd be okay with it? You know, 550 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: like being like, oh, okay, then like let's say people 551 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: get mad of me no matter what I say about this, 552 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: but like you know, like, oh, let's enslave you. Then 553 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,959 Speaker 1: would you want to be enslaved? No, you wouldn't. Then 554 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: shut the fuck up if you. 555 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 3: Right right, there's you can't spin being owned. There's they 556 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 3: have spin on it. It is a crazy thing to 557 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 3: tell someone, Hey, it was fine that we owned people 558 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 3: they liked it, wasn't. I have a statement from a 559 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 3: white person about his black slaves, because we have actual 560 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 3: tapes from actual people, most of whom were enslaved as children, 561 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 3: who were telling the stories about how they grew up 562 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 3: in slavery, and even the ones who were like yeah, 563 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 3: he was all right, We're still like it was a 564 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 3: horrible institution to have to live under, and I fucking 565 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 3: hated it. And you can't get past the idea that 566 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 3: someone owns every decision. You can't move past it, you 567 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 3: can't do anything like that is a bananas thing to 568 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 3: try to sell. It is them so absurd, it is 569 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 3: beyond and it's like, and you, what's really mannening is 570 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 3: like I hate middle the real white folks who are 571 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 3: like they're learning or that just happens over there, or 572 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 3: they don't know what they're saying. They know exactly what 573 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 3: the fuck they're saying. It's like there's not any confusion here. 574 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 3: It's being done very on purpose. They're not stupid. This 575 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 3: is what they want. It is so infuriating. I can't 576 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 3: believe we don't. I can't. I don't know how we 577 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 3: get the Black Panthers back in working shape. It's just, 578 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 3: I really, community activism is so hard. It's so it's 579 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 3: such uphill battle. 580 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think that a lot of the systems 581 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: that they use to crush the early seventies movements, like 582 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: I think that capitalism is like really good at recuperating things, 583 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: and it's really good at like finding and patching its weaknesses, 584 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: you know, and so like often the same kind of 585 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: thing is not necessarily effective. Although there's so much we 586 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: can still like learn and like, you know, keep trying, 587 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: because even like things like the Black Panthers, people kept 588 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: trying them over and over and over again. It wasn't 589 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: like huey Phwton and Bobby Seel were the first people 590 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: who were like, hey, what if we just get some shotguns. 591 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: It's our phone cops around right now, and. 592 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 3: We see activism frequently. The other problem I think is 593 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 3: activism has horrible pr like like trying to show people 594 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,959 Speaker 3: like it's weird. People are like, oh, we had a 595 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 3: movement in twenty twenty and now it's over. And I 596 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 3: was like, I would just like you to know there 597 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 3: are people actively fighting on your behalf. Many of them 598 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 3: have gotten into small and local government. Call yeers and 599 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 3: find out who's working there, looking about like active work 600 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 3: is happening all around you. But it's just it's so 601 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 3: hard to see and progress is so egregiously slow that 602 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 3: it's yeah, I think it gets missed a lot, but 603 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 3: I do think a lot of positive things are happening. 604 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: It's slow and then it's fast, right sure, And it 605 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: can't do the fast if you're not also putting in 606 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: the work. Like it's like every time you go out 607 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: and do some activist thing, whatever type of organization. Most 608 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: of the time you live a quiet, poorly paid life 609 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: where you do harm reduction in your community. And every 610 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: now and then it's the spark of that changes everything, 611 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, yeah, and yeah, okay, so I want 612 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: to figure out where I'm at my script. But so 613 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: this is the most successful of They have about sixty 614 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: different survival programs going, and these are eventually called survival programs, 615 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: they don't actually start that way. The first one, I 616 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: believe is the pre Breakfast program, and the concept here 617 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: is survival pending revolution because one of the things I 618 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: actually don't want to leave out of it is that 619 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: they are their Marxist organization. They're a communist organization. Not 620 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: everyone involved has the same ideological headspace, but the organization 621 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: is structured in that way and actively pushing for this. 622 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: And so they are pushing to have a revolution in 623 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: the United States, and they're part of the New Left, 624 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: which is fighting for a revolution in the United States. 625 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: But they realize that's not going to be overnight, Like 626 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: what kind of we're just talking about. They're fighting for 627 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: survival pending revolution. Is there? The way that they phrase 628 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: the survival programs basically, it does no good to overthrow 629 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: capitalism if everyone's debt already, right, And they did so 630 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: many things. They led blood drives for local hospitals. They 631 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: opened free medical centers. They did door to door sickle 632 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: cell anemia testing. They did free grocery delivery, they did 633 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 1: prescription delivery services, especially for like older folks. They had 634 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,399 Speaker 1: the free Shoes for Kids program. They had volunteer ambulance services. Like, fuck, 635 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:18,399 Speaker 1: we got to bring that back. 636 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 3: No one, I like, I mean, good lord, that would 637 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 3: be helpful. 638 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you ever see the like the thing where 639 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: they at like a camera person from the US like 640 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 1: asks a random British person like how much they think 641 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: an ambulance costs? 642 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, And they're always just completely bowled over. They're like, 643 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 3: what my favorites. When they get to like, and how 644 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,720 Speaker 3: much you think it costs to have a baby in America, 645 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 3: they're like four point fifty oh sweet summer child. Yeah, 646 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:45,280 Speaker 3: so much higher? 647 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh god. Soon they start their own schools, and 648 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,240 Speaker 1: I started, I think with after school programs, but eventually 649 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: they have what they call Liberation schools. One of their 650 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: elementary schools. In nineteen seventy seven, the governor and the 651 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 1: legislator legislature of Hell Tifornia gave it an award for 652 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: quote having set the standard for the highest level of 653 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: elementary education in the state. And it's worth a. 654 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,479 Speaker 3: Horrible organization that will bring America to his knees. Yeah, 655 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 3: just get oh yeah boy, yeah. 656 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 1: Exactly If America's brought to this knees by teaching kids 657 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: the truth. 658 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 3: Best educated, why do you not want to duplicate this? 659 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: Yeah? 660 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 3: That is wow? All right, here we go. 661 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: And so this is like literally the state of California 662 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: being like, oh, actually, y'all fucking rule and needed really well. 663 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: And nineteen seventy seven is after the Panthers had mostly 664 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 1: collapsed as an organization. Yet the survival programs actually often 665 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: outlived the organization that spawned them, which is another thing 666 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: that gets forgotten about about activism is that everything you 667 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: do has knock on effects. Right. Yeah, in Oakland, the 668 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 1: Panthers started this is one of my favorites. That they 669 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: started Seniors against a fearful environment or safe And what 670 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,439 Speaker 1: was happened was that older folks would go to cash 671 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: their pension checks and kept getting mugged. I think at 672 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: the time it was like almost half of the people 673 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 1: getting mugged were senior citizens Jesus Christ. So the Panthers 674 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: escorted them to and from the bank. And that's an 675 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: example of community defense if I've ever seen one. 676 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 3: You know, such a lovely act. It's so simple and helpful, 677 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 3: and you get to meet an old person who always 678 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 3: have great stories. You know, Oh that is wonderful. You 679 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:34,879 Speaker 3: like that one. 680 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,959 Speaker 1: And then one of the things, now i'll script again 681 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: one of the things that the Panthers did. And actually 682 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:41,839 Speaker 1: some of this I run across from like the right 683 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: wing people hate them because you find out different shit 684 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: by reading the people who support them and the people 685 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 1: who hate them. And obviously both of them are biased 686 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,799 Speaker 1: as shit, right, yes, and I'm bias as shit. I'm 687 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: overall like them. I have organizational critiques of their structure 688 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: whatever anyway, but like it's just be upfront my own biases. 689 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 1: But they they were often recruiting from what in Marxist 690 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 1: terms you'll call the lump and proletariat rather than like 691 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 1: the workers, you're recruiting like the criminals and the like 692 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: unemployed and the people who don't exist very well within 693 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: the existing economic system. And so like the fact that 694 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: you're getting all of these people who like sort of 695 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: just like used to run around and do crime are 696 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,879 Speaker 1: now escorting folks to the bank. And they're using all 697 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: the same skill sets right like they might have used 698 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: to mug people, you know, and like what an what 699 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: a clearly better system than prisons is like get all 700 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: the people who do this to use their skills, like 701 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 1: keep people safe. 702 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 3: You know, when you can empower, especially when we know 703 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 3: most crime happens at a like destitution, like absolutely to eat, 704 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 3: I need to believe myself, I am yeah, need of 705 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 3: mental services whatever, when you can empower someone to say, hey, 706 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 3: I see you, I see your skill set. I'll employ 707 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 3: you or give you a purpose, and like you invite 708 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,839 Speaker 3: them back into society, which is such a beautiful way 709 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 3: of healing. If I may just plug. Oya Sharill's who 710 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 3: is a community activist and a survivor of crime, has 711 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 3: this amazing true crime podcast called Survivor's Heel. Instead of 712 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:35,360 Speaker 3: focusing on the crime and the perpetrators, focuses on survivors 713 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 3: and what healing actually looks like. And in it, I 714 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 3: think one of her very first episodes, like her first 715 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,760 Speaker 3: or second one, she has the sister of a murderer 716 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 3: victim talk to her brother's murderer. They have a full conversation. 717 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 3: It's so powerful, and they talk about way she's like, 718 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 3: you going to prison and does not heal the hurt 719 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 3: I have. It doesn't do anything for me. And so 720 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 3: it's yeah, And I also think that's the core of 721 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 3: all great activisms is we are a community. We are 722 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 3: not looking for stand out individuals or superstars or people 723 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 3: like none of that matters. We're all people. What skills 724 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 3: you can tribute and how can you help essentially or 725 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 3: how can we help you, whatever the case may be. Yeah, Oh, Lorias. 726 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: There's this thing again. I'm completely on script now, so 727 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 1: if I get details wrong, I'm sorry. There's this book 728 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,760 Speaker 1: I really like called Angels with Dirty Faces by Wilita 729 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: and Marisha, and it's an abolitionist perspective on you know, 730 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 1: it's conversations with three different prisoners, and in it she 731 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: talks about like, as she did the work, you know, 732 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 1: like many black like almost all black people in America, 733 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 1: she was robbed of her knowledge of her ancestry and 734 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 1: all of those things. And she's done a lot of 735 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,880 Speaker 1: work around that. And I don't remember the name of 736 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,320 Speaker 1: the culture that she comes from. And I'm sorry Wilda 737 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 1: if you're listening, but she talks about this thing that 738 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,520 Speaker 1: really stuck out to me is like when when someone 739 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,279 Speaker 1: did something wrong in the culture that she learned she 740 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,879 Speaker 1: was from, you know, they would take the person who 741 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 1: had done wrong and they set them up against a tree, 742 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 1: and then one by one people would come up and 743 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: say really nice things about that person and basically just 744 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 1: shame them into being better. Being like you can be 745 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: your best self instead of your worst self. 746 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:29,359 Speaker 3: You know, talk about healing. I mean, pray people hurt, 747 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 3: people like and you give them space to lift them 748 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 3: up and show a whole community people hate and we 749 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 3: see you, we see all of the good. They like, 750 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 3: why did this happen? Happen? We help so it doesn't 751 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 3: happen again. You don't have to do these things to 752 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 3: feel love or be seen or have what you need. Uh. 753 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 3: I love community so. 754 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 1: Much, but you know this isn't Ana transition. You know 755 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:52,400 Speaker 1: hates community. 756 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 3: Uh. 757 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 1: The FBI, Oh, they really fucking do. So they flip 758 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,279 Speaker 1: out about the survival program, especially the breakfasts, and they 759 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,879 Speaker 1: go crazy overboard into as much as they can. They 760 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 1: spread rumors that the food is poisoned. They regularly rated 761 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,320 Speaker 1: the feedings as an intimidation tactic. And the thing to 762 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: remember about that that means their goal, their specific goal 763 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 1: is to traumatize children. Yeah, the Panther's goal was to 764 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:30,319 Speaker 1: feed children. And so yeah, anyway, so the FBI would 765 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,839 Speaker 1: forge letters to send to food donators to get them 766 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,759 Speaker 1: to stop. I don't entirely know what these look like. 767 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 1: If FBI would forge all kinds of letters during this period, right, 768 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,240 Speaker 1: it could be like, hey, we don't need you anymore, 769 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,880 Speaker 1: or like fuck you, we hate you. Signed the Black 770 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: Panthers your number one enemy. They went door to door 771 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: telling parents that the Panthers were going to turn their 772 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: kids into racists. And like, I think that this is 773 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 1: again I'm going to talk about their multiracial organizing minute, 774 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,840 Speaker 1: the Panthers. I believe that the way we've currently defined 775 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:11,279 Speaker 1: racism as like involving both bigotry and societal like systemic advantage, right, 776 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:20,680 Speaker 1: means but like, the Panthers were really explicitly not anti white. Yeah, 777 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,919 Speaker 1: they were anti white power, which is what we live 778 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: in right now. M So this is just completely a lie, 779 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 1: right and whatever. Anyway, in Chicago, the cops to quote 780 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 1: one Panther quote. The night before the first Breakfast program 781 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: in Chicago was supposed to open, the Chicago police broke 782 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,240 Speaker 1: into the church, mashed up all the food and urinated 783 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: on it. 784 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:54,880 Speaker 3: It's impossible to imagine holding that much hate for children, Yeah, 785 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,960 Speaker 3: in your heart. Yeah, he on the food that was 786 00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 3: meant in your ash then, like it's I can't I 787 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,880 Speaker 3: literally couldn't imagine doing that to like my if I 788 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:09,680 Speaker 3: had an enemy and they had a child that I 789 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:15,720 Speaker 3: just it's impossible to house. And you understand uh Tupac's 790 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 3: thug life mentality so much more when you think about 791 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,920 Speaker 3: that being an environment in which he grew up, When 792 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 3: you think about seeing that up close and personal from 793 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,920 Speaker 3: a very young age. I am both glad I was 794 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,960 Speaker 3: shielded from it and uh set it took so long 795 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,480 Speaker 3: to learn about it, and it makes I feel like 796 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,959 Speaker 3: it makes things a lot clearer unfortunately. 797 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, just how much the FBI hated the Black community, you. 798 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,279 Speaker 3: Know, our children, our feet. 799 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, And this reminds me of how the Border Guard 800 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,920 Speaker 1: today regularly goes and slashes up water drops left for 801 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,720 Speaker 1: people dying of thirst in the desert. 802 00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:58,880 Speaker 3: Goddamn razors on booies. 803 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, the fucking like, was it yesterday or something that 804 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: we learned that the murder booies, which we're already murder booies, 805 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,400 Speaker 1: and then we have like random circular saw blades on them, like, 806 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,400 Speaker 1: which is just like it's like when you put a 807 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,879 Speaker 1: skull on your mad maximobile, you know, yeah, like it's 808 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,440 Speaker 1: just a way. Yeah, and by the way, this is 809 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 1: to murder. 810 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 3: Also, we really really hate you, like just so you know. 811 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is I just. 812 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,160 Speaker 3: Again, I just can't I can't fathom, uh, feeling so 813 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,920 Speaker 3: entitled that I would be like it is worth your life, 814 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 3: which essentially makes me a murderer. I'm sorry. If you 815 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,400 Speaker 3: install these things, you are complicit in murder. 816 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,719 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean that's true. In legally, if you set 817 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,279 Speaker 1: up a booby trap in your house, you are responsible 818 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,960 Speaker 1: for the harm caused by that booby trap, Like it 819 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 1: is not legal to set up booby traps that hurt people. Yeah, 820 00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,800 Speaker 1: that is an existing legal structure, oh. 821 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 3: Boy, and just for people trying to find some clearer, 822 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 3: some place safe to be. Uh, that's cool. I don't 823 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,360 Speaker 3: understand how you don't see that makes you the devil, 824 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,200 Speaker 3: Like I, yeah, I don't understand that you can be like, no, 825 00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,239 Speaker 3: I'm definitely right for this. It's fine if you're like, no, 826 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,480 Speaker 3: I am the devil and I enjoyed. Okay, yeah's who 827 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 3: you are, and I'm glad we're all aware of it. 828 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,920 Speaker 3: You're like, this is the best thing we can do 829 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,400 Speaker 3: as human beings. This is the best possible solution to 830 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 3: the problem as I see it. Insane, insan. 831 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:38,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, this did not stop the free breakfast programs. 832 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,320 Speaker 3: Of course, it fucking didn't. We have to feed children. 833 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't stop until the panthers themselves were stopped, 834 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,920 Speaker 1: and in some cities the programs outlived the panthers themselves. 835 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,360 Speaker 1: And then one of the major lasting impacts of the 836 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,680 Speaker 1: program is that it embarrassed the federal government into setting 837 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,799 Speaker 1: up their own They had in nineteen sixty six. They 838 00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,359 Speaker 1: like originally set up like maybe we should feed kids thing, 839 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:00,919 Speaker 1: but they didn't like do it. 840 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 3: They follow through. They're like, we should do that, but 841 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,399 Speaker 3: how and where would that money come from? And we'll 842 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,239 Speaker 3: get a committee to figure it out. In five years, 843 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:09,760 Speaker 3: it's fine. 844 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,919 Speaker 1: It took them nine years. In nineteen seventy five, Shit, 845 00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,960 Speaker 1: the federally funded school breakfast program was launched. 846 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:21,919 Speaker 3: Mother fucker not we had a teenpoint and these things 847 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,040 Speaker 3: set up in less than a year. What do you 848 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,840 Speaker 3: take seventy thousand kids fed in a single year, and 849 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,759 Speaker 3: they're like, it'll take us nine damn you government, What 850 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:30,560 Speaker 3: the fuck? 851 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:39,080 Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh my god. But if you want not free breakfast, 852 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,800 Speaker 1: you could buy it. If one of the ads you 853 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 1: hear is for a meal kid, Yum yum, o's get you. 854 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,880 Speaker 3: Some's back to Cereal. 855 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,440 Speaker 1: Here's some ads. 856 00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,439 Speaker 2: And we're back. Okay. 857 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,759 Speaker 1: So there's another part of the Panthers organizing that I 858 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,680 Speaker 1: don't think has talked about enough because of the the 859 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,759 Speaker 1: story gets told of the like, oh, there's some like 860 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,239 Speaker 1: gun wielding people who are like pretty cool in some 861 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,560 Speaker 1: ways and bad in other ways, and they all like 862 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,960 Speaker 1: and I don't know whatever this is. This very simplified 863 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,600 Speaker 1: story doesn't talk about another thing that scared the shit 864 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,480 Speaker 1: out of the government, which was interracial and cross cultural organizing. 865 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:31,120 Speaker 1: And this is exemplified most clearly in the Chicago chapter, 866 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:36,080 Speaker 1: and specifically it's leader Fred Hampton. Whether or not that's like, 867 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,440 Speaker 1: truly well, Fred Hampton fucking ruled. I'm not trying to 868 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,520 Speaker 1: downplay that. Obviously, other people working were also all part 869 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,120 Speaker 1: of this and sometimes only individuals are remembered. But it's 870 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:50,160 Speaker 1: not like he's trying to accrouve social credit spoil alert. 871 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:55,399 Speaker 1: He dies, but he was murdered. Yes. Yeah. On April fourth, 872 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,719 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine, three groups came together and started the 873 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,719 Speaker 1: Rainbow Coalition. It was the Black Panthers who are the 874 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,680 Speaker 1: most established group and so they provide a lot of 875 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,080 Speaker 1: the leadership in organizing models. And then the Young Lords 876 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,400 Speaker 1: see our four part are on them, representing Puerto Rican radicals. 877 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,680 Speaker 1: And then the always fun to mention Young Patriots. Have 878 00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,320 Speaker 1: you ever heard of the Young Patriot Organization? 879 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,600 Speaker 3: Okay, so coming out of a tea party era, that's 880 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:26,520 Speaker 3: the first thing I think of. I imagine they are 881 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,200 Speaker 3: so amazing and they sound so bad. 882 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:35,800 Speaker 1: They are white, self identified Hillbillies who fly the Confederate flag, 883 00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,640 Speaker 1: who are revolutionary socialists, who are part of a coalition 884 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,120 Speaker 1: with the Black Panthers, the Young Lords and several other 885 00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:48,520 Speaker 1: organizations to try to overthrow the government and capitalism and 886 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:49,360 Speaker 1: end racism. 887 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,680 Speaker 3: Here's why I love this. There's many reasons. One, I 888 00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,359 Speaker 3: love Hillbilly. I was taught by one. We literally called 889 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,160 Speaker 3: him Hillbilly. He was great. He's a redneck if he 890 00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,439 Speaker 3: sit out in the sun for two seconds, he called 891 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:00,960 Speaker 3: himself that. 892 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:01,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 893 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,439 Speaker 3: Yes, but hillbillies, by their very nature are just people 894 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,920 Speaker 3: who live in hills and want to eat good and 895 00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,640 Speaker 3: make some music and chow with their family. Very cool people. 896 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,640 Speaker 3: I love the misguidedness of being like the rebel flags, like, 897 00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,799 Speaker 3: oh so close, buddies, I want to get you. Let's 898 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,640 Speaker 3: design a new one for you know, man. But that 899 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,560 Speaker 3: is really Oh, that's so wonderful. I had no clue 900 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,040 Speaker 3: that they were part of the Rainbow Coalition. 901 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,359 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're one of the founding members. And their 902 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:39,160 Speaker 1: thing they were Appalachian migrants, white Appalachian migrants to Chicago 903 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,719 Speaker 1: who faced classism and bigotry from the rest of the 904 00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,959 Speaker 1: white establishment, right, I mean because they had accents, because 905 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,000 Speaker 1: they didn't do things right, because they were lower class 906 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:53,080 Speaker 1: instead of middle class. And so soon the Rainbow Coalition 907 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,200 Speaker 1: is joined by Students for a Democratic Society, which is 908 00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,359 Speaker 1: mostly but not exclusively white, the Brown Berets who are 909 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,680 Speaker 1: latinos So socialists, the American Indian Movement, and the Red 910 00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,000 Speaker 1: Guard who are Chinese American socialists. 911 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,400 Speaker 3: What a powerful group of people. 912 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:12,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. Around this time, the Panthers also committed themselves publicly 913 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,080 Speaker 1: to support of the feminist movement and the gay liberation movement. 914 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,080 Speaker 3: And did not know the Black Panthers were for the Gaze. 915 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:25,040 Speaker 1: Oh they were so for the Gaze. It's a mighty Besides, 916 00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,799 Speaker 1: of course, Tupac's mom was gay ast shit. Yes, a 917 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,440 Speaker 1: bunch of the others were quasi as gayest shit. We'll 918 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,120 Speaker 1: get to him again in a minute. But Fred Hampton 919 00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,960 Speaker 1: like specifically has this great speech that's just like, the 920 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:42,000 Speaker 1: gays are oppressed, they shouldn't be fuck this, And they 921 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,520 Speaker 1: did a lot of the Gay Liberation Front and a 922 00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:48,120 Speaker 1: lot of it's early organizing at a Rainbow Coalition like 923 00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,239 Speaker 1: radical conference that happened I think at Philly. Again, I'm 924 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,759 Speaker 1: going off of memory of old scripts I wrote. I 925 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,640 Speaker 1: think I wrote more about that conference in the Gay 926 00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,279 Speaker 1: Liberation Front episode. And then I also want to point 927 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,719 Speaker 1: out there's an East West split that's coming, and a 928 00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:06,360 Speaker 1: lot of it's very cultural, but both sides of the 929 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,640 Speaker 1: split were pro gay, even though the East Coast side 930 00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,279 Speaker 1: was like more visibly so with Fred Hampton's statements and 931 00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,680 Speaker 1: a lot of the gay New Yorkers right, but also 932 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,200 Speaker 1: the original folks totally down with the gays. 933 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,840 Speaker 3: My heart feels so good. I really love hearing that. 934 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,319 Speaker 1: No, they like they also threw down with religious groups 935 00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,920 Speaker 1: like religious radicals. In Chicago, they occupied Catholic churches alongside 936 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,080 Speaker 1: white and black Catholics after the Catholic Church was denying 937 00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:39,720 Speaker 1: black priests in black neighborhoods, and in return, a black 938 00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,800 Speaker 1: priest regularly sheltered them from police in the Catholic churches. 939 00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:49,160 Speaker 3: That's so beautiful, no wonder. And then I'm just I'm 940 00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,360 Speaker 3: from Chicago. We're here talking about the era my parents 941 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,160 Speaker 3: being young. It's interesting to think my mother is Roman 942 00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,600 Speaker 3: Catholic and went to church in Chicago. And I'm like, 943 00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,600 Speaker 3: were these things happening around you? Did you hear about them? 944 00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,520 Speaker 3: I know my father was a beneficiary of the free 945 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,600 Speaker 3: breakfast program. I'm gonna see if he leave me a 946 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,600 Speaker 3: voicemail about it, and I could send it to you 947 00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,960 Speaker 3: if he has any like direct memories about being bet there. 948 00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,400 Speaker 3: And I've never asked about any of the other programs, 949 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,120 Speaker 3: if he like, did he get free shoes ever? I 950 00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,320 Speaker 3: know there were some struggle years in his youth. I 951 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:25,840 Speaker 3: don't know where that overlap is, but yeah, it's just 952 00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,640 Speaker 3: their ability to just be so open and just be like, 953 00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,719 Speaker 3: if all of the people are good, then we could 954 00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,040 Speaker 3: all be good with each other and it could be great. 955 00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,560 Speaker 3: I'm not against you trying to live that is a yeah. 956 00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,879 Speaker 3: And especially considering how many of these movements got their 957 00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,560 Speaker 3: start in the church and the way churches have often 958 00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:49,239 Speaker 3: been last safe havens for a lot of these folks, 959 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,479 Speaker 3: it makes sense that they would be like, we should 960 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,479 Speaker 3: bring these people into our fold as well. 961 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it like, you know, obviously the church is 962 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,480 Speaker 1: doing a lot of bad stuff honestly, like the Black 963 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,600 Speaker 1: priest too regularly sheltered them from the police. I didn't 964 00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:03,799 Speaker 1: end up puting his name in it because it did 965 00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:08,399 Speaker 1: more research and he was accused of inappropriate sexual contact 966 00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,880 Speaker 1: child the Lord later, which is why he can't have 967 00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:13,640 Speaker 1: nice things. 968 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,680 Speaker 3: Never give a man praise. What did I say? 969 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,320 Speaker 1: I know it was like the church found him not guilty, 970 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,319 Speaker 1: but the way that it was defined as real, I'm 971 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,399 Speaker 1: not buying it. That's why his name isn't in here. 972 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,520 Speaker 1: I had a whole section written about him, and then 973 00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, Eh, this guy doesn't need to be in here. 974 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's like all kinds of complication. Yeah, And 975 00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,520 Speaker 1: the specifically, the thing was that he he was supposed 976 00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,359 Speaker 1: to become whatever, the priest of a churches or whatever, right, 977 00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,759 Speaker 1: and then the archbishop or whatever was like, naw, fuck you. 978 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,400 Speaker 1: And and it was pretty much completely because he was 979 00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,600 Speaker 1: like trying to be in charge of black a church 980 00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,400 Speaker 1: with a primarily black congregation, and they shouldn't just be 981 00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,960 Speaker 1: white fucking priests in charge of And you have this 982 00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,239 Speaker 1: whole thing going on actually in the we talk about 983 00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:06,560 Speaker 1: in the Catholic Workers episode anyway, whatever, and so I 984 00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,000 Speaker 1: probably sold this anecdote on this show before. But one 985 00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,479 Speaker 1: time I was talking to this old white coal miner 986 00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,480 Speaker 1: in West Virginia about his time in the sixties, and 987 00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,719 Speaker 1: he said, basically, we used to go protest the Vietnam War, 988 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,480 Speaker 1: and there were us on one corner, another corner with 989 00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,120 Speaker 1: the gay activists, another corner with the Black power folks, 990 00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,279 Speaker 1: and pretty soon we figured out we were all a 991 00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,000 Speaker 1: hell of a lot stronger. We all stood on the 992 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:27,680 Speaker 1: same corner. 993 00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:29,239 Speaker 3: I love that. 994 00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:34,759 Speaker 1: Yes, that was a man who he got arrested in 995 00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,919 Speaker 1: his like seventies or eighties fighting against mountaintop removal, where 996 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,319 Speaker 1: they just blow up the Appalachian Mountains in order to 997 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,240 Speaker 1: get the coal out. And he was just a retired 998 00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,280 Speaker 1: coal miner guy who fucking ruled. 999 00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:47,760 Speaker 3: He sounds like a legend. 1000 00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. The Rainbow Coalition was a clear statement of solidarity. 1001 00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,680 Speaker 1: Everyone's showing up to everyone else's shit. They also started 1002 00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,880 Speaker 1: a free health clinic because that's just what late sixties 1003 00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,799 Speaker 1: radicals do. That was like like the Young Patriots. Whole 1004 00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,759 Speaker 1: thing was that they like would come with you to 1005 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,239 Speaker 1: your medical appointment, right if you're being mistreated by your 1006 00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:10,000 Speaker 1: doctors and stuff. They also the Rainbow Coalition brokered gang 1007 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,600 Speaker 1: piece because that's also what late sixties radicals did. Yes, 1008 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,600 Speaker 1: and if you read right wing accounts the Rainbow Coalition, 1009 00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,560 Speaker 1: it is a collection of street gangs. This is not inaccurate, 1010 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,440 Speaker 1: but it is also not accurate, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1011 00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,560 Speaker 1: And the Young Lords in particular started as a street gang. 1012 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,920 Speaker 3: If we think about gangs again, do just a fundamental 1013 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,640 Speaker 3: misunderstanding of like, what is the cause of the creation 1014 00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:39,520 Speaker 3: of a gang? Yeah, ches, community and support and safety. Yeah, 1015 00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,560 Speaker 3: it makes sense that they would move bilatterly with these 1016 00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,840 Speaker 3: types of movements. Yeah. 1017 00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:49,440 Speaker 1: And meanwhile, the Panthers are also somewhat regularly involved in 1018 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,560 Speaker 1: shootouts with police. I don't want to whitewash them out 1019 00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,880 Speaker 1: of their militancy against the US government and out of 1020 00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:59,760 Speaker 1: police in general. But j Edgar Hoover, he's like staying 1021 00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,239 Speaker 1: late at night, rocking back and forth in his chair, 1022 00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:08,520 Speaker 1: muttering a Messiah, a Messiah, because specifically he was worried 1023 00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,120 Speaker 1: that the Panthers might offer up a quote Messiah, a 1024 00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:16,239 Speaker 1: leader uniting the masses, which is like not actually how 1025 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,160 Speaker 1: movements work, I think, but like they think it is, 1026 00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,680 Speaker 1: and that's why they murdered Malcolm X. But that didn't well, 1027 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,960 Speaker 1: Nation of Islam technically did. But you know whatever, they 1028 00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:24,960 Speaker 1: fucking helped out. 1029 00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:29,080 Speaker 3: I mean, they offt MLK, so you know, yeah, he 1030 00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:30,520 Speaker 3: was like, I got it. I'm gonna have to murder 1031 00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,080 Speaker 3: a new one. How do I stop it? 1032 00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:32,560 Speaker 1: Yeah? 1033 00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,480 Speaker 3: Exactly, my god. 1034 00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:38,280 Speaker 1: So they they did. They assassinated Fred Hampton. 1035 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,920 Speaker 3: Horrifying and horifying, horrifying shootout. 1036 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, this isn't blurry. The government murdered him while he 1037 00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:52,440 Speaker 1: slept on December fourth, nineteen sixty nine. An informant provided 1038 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,440 Speaker 1: the FBI with a map of Fred Hampton's apartment and 1039 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,879 Speaker 1: like where his mattress was on the floor and the 1040 00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,439 Speaker 1: room or on a bed. I don't know whatever where 1041 00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,080 Speaker 1: the mattress was. I think it was on the floor. 1042 00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:04,799 Speaker 1: I've seen photos now, I don't remember. This is a 1043 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,320 Speaker 1: completely meaningless detail. I'm using to distract myself from the 1044 00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,040 Speaker 1: emotional content of what I'm saying. So he provided the 1045 00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,560 Speaker 1: FBI with the map of fred Hampton's apartment, and then 1046 00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:18,560 Speaker 1: he almost certainly dosed fred Hampton with sleeping pills. This 1047 00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,720 Speaker 1: was confirmed by the Cook County investigation that found drugs 1048 00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,280 Speaker 1: in a system. But the FBI was like, no, we 1049 00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,400 Speaker 1: looked too and there was like no drugs in his system. 1050 00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,800 Speaker 1: But the Cook County Coroner was like, I stand by 1051 00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:33,800 Speaker 1: my statement. There were drugs in his system. There were 1052 00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,960 Speaker 1: habituates in this system, and Fred Hampton did not use 1053 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,440 Speaker 1: I believe drugs at all. But it's certainly not this 1054 00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,320 Speaker 1: type of drug. It was like a thing that was 1055 00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,640 Speaker 1: known about him. He fell asleep at one thirty am 1056 00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:46,840 Speaker 1: while mid sentence talking to his mother on the phone. 1057 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:51,400 Speaker 1: And it makes me happy that the last person he 1058 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,320 Speaker 1: got to talk to at four am, which is the 1059 00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,920 Speaker 1: time of every police rate ever. Police stormed the place. 1060 00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,920 Speaker 1: They killed a man named Mark Clark, who was on 1061 00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:06,000 Speaker 1: security duty, who had a shotgun in his lap. As 1062 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,480 Speaker 1: he died, he fired one shot into the ceiling. This 1063 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,360 Speaker 1: is the only round fired by the panther side during 1064 00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,320 Speaker 1: this And it gets used as like, see, it's a shoot, 1065 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:19,160 Speaker 1: it's a two way samey, samey. You know, a literal warning. 1066 00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,680 Speaker 3: Shot, like you couldnot the actual definition of a warning shot. 1067 00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,000 Speaker 1: I think he actually pulled the trigger, like I think 1068 00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,280 Speaker 1: he was dead, like he got shot. 1069 00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,840 Speaker 3: As he died, just up in the air. Yeah, but 1070 00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,080 Speaker 3: if it's up in the air and it's as he's dying, 1071 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:38,720 Speaker 3: then he never pointed the gun at them, Yeah, goes Yeah. 1072 00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,160 Speaker 3: I thought I had always heard that it was like 1073 00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:45,480 Speaker 3: a trying to alert everybody. Might I guess if guns 1074 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,160 Speaker 3: were already firing, what would they need to be alerted for. 1075 00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:52,000 Speaker 1: No, I mean I don't know, you know, I could, 1076 00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,640 Speaker 1: I could see it either way. I read a couple accounts, 1077 00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,120 Speaker 1: but not like super in depth accounts of this, you know. 1078 00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,200 Speaker 1: And Mark Clark was twenty two years old when he died. 1079 00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,720 Speaker 1: He had once gone door to door, from church to 1080 00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,840 Speaker 1: church to find one willing to host the Chicago Breakfast program. 1081 00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,600 Speaker 1: I just want him to have a life. I want 1082 00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,320 Speaker 1: him to be known as having done more than this 1083 00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,560 Speaker 1: one thing. Cops shot up the apartment. They fired between 1084 00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:19,880 Speaker 1: eighty two and ninety nine shots. They killed Fred Hampton 1085 00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,760 Speaker 1: while he was drugged in bed next to Deborah Johnson, 1086 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:27,080 Speaker 1: who is nearly nine months pregnant with their child. Mark 1087 00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,800 Speaker 1: and Fred and were the only two who were killed. 1088 00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,400 Speaker 1: No one fired around at the police. No cops were 1089 00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:38,880 Speaker 1: indicted for what happened. Five thousand people came to his funeral, 1090 00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,480 Speaker 1: which again goes to the like, yeah, sure, the Panther 1091 00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,880 Speaker 1: membership is five thousand people in nationwide. They clearly have 1092 00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:48,000 Speaker 1: a lot more support than that. 1093 00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,760 Speaker 3: Fred Hampton was like twenty two, he was twenty one. 1094 00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wouldn't have known that except I 1095 00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:56,880 Speaker 1: just wrote it down. I'm not like being like, oh I. 1096 00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,920 Speaker 3: Know, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, it's fine. I just 1097 01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:04,040 Speaker 3: he was young, like so young, and had done so 1098 01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,920 Speaker 3: much already in such a short time, and his mind 1099 01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,560 Speaker 3: was just so clear about the direction he wanted to move. 1100 01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:20,520 Speaker 3: It's horrifying to consider that. I mean, the person who 1101 01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:26,920 Speaker 3: most likely drugged him, and you know, they were friends, 1102 01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:31,040 Speaker 3: their colleagues, and there's a lot of evidence that they 1103 01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:38,320 Speaker 3: were coerced, and like, yeah, for a lot of whatever 1104 01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,800 Speaker 3: it seems I would say, either coursed or manipulated into 1105 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:47,160 Speaker 3: this position, like really kind of bullied into it. And 1106 01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:51,720 Speaker 3: it's it's devastating to consider that these things frequently were 1107 01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,920 Speaker 3: coming from inside the house. I mean, well, I know 1108 01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:56,840 Speaker 3: the trial we're getting to, and we could talk more 1109 01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:57,520 Speaker 3: about it there. 1110 01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:00,160 Speaker 1: Oh we're actually not going to talk to him much 1111 01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:01,280 Speaker 1: about that trial. Now you could. 1112 01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:05,480 Speaker 3: Talk about I'll just say, well, do you want to 1113 01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:06,840 Speaker 3: do you want to introduce the child? I don't know 1114 01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:07,480 Speaker 3: if you have anything. 1115 01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:07,720 Speaker 2: No. 1116 01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,880 Speaker 1: I actually like, honestly, at this point, I'm going to 1117 01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,080 Speaker 1: go down to like just kind of some of the 1118 01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,000 Speaker 1: stuff about how the Panthers fell apart. Now you should 1119 01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:14,760 Speaker 1: totally talk about it. 1120 01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,480 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, so finish a kur when she is 1121 01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:22,080 Speaker 3: on trial with the Black Panthers, theres. 1122 01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,160 Speaker 1: A I now know what try are you talk about? 1123 01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:24,400 Speaker 3: Yeah? 1124 01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,640 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, continue yeah yeah yeah. 1125 01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:30,360 Speaker 3: So it like most of the cases brought against Black 1126 01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:34,880 Speaker 3: Panthers total sham, like crazy Affinny is such a good 1127 01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,800 Speaker 3: public speaker that the Black Panther Party raises enough money 1128 01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,480 Speaker 3: to get one of them out of prison. They've all 1129 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,560 Speaker 3: been arrested. Halloway taking to prison uh, they get enough money, 1130 01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,840 Speaker 3: they're like, Afinniya should go out because when she speaks, 1131 01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,160 Speaker 3: people listen and she can bring more people in so 1132 01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,920 Speaker 3: that they become aware of our case. Not only is 1133 01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,800 Speaker 3: she out there giving like orienting at like these big 1134 01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,800 Speaker 3: black rallies and stuff, at concerts, like pretty much anywhere 1135 01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,640 Speaker 3: black people gather, she's like in order telling them like, 1136 01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,040 Speaker 3: this is what's happening in your communities. People are in prison. 1137 01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:09,280 Speaker 3: We need to do something. She's simultaneously reading every document 1138 01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,800 Speaker 3: like she's basically also a lawyer. Yeah, she's not a lawyer, 1139 01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:16,080 Speaker 3: but she was like so smart and thinking so far ahead, 1140 01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:17,360 Speaker 3: and she decides to. 1141 01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,040 Speaker 1: Herself, yeah, she wrepres herself. 1142 01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:25,200 Speaker 3: She gets cross examined a fucking pig excuse me who 1143 01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:28,800 Speaker 3: infiltrated the Black Panther Party. She gets him on the 1144 01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:36,320 Speaker 3: stand and the guy's talking about, oh, Black Panther Party 1145 01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:40,560 Speaker 3: is training kids to be racist and to be violent, 1146 01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,280 Speaker 3: and she's like, you were in the party. I think 1147 01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,680 Speaker 3: it's oh gosh, guys, it's off the top of the dome, 1148 01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:46,920 Speaker 3: but I think it's like five or six years. Like 1149 01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:50,120 Speaker 3: he's heavily into the Black Panther Party. A leader in 1150 01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:54,480 Speaker 3: the Black Panther Party, and she gets him cornered and 1151 01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,600 Speaker 3: basically starts trying to figure out when you did this 1152 01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:59,280 Speaker 3: for the Black when you were handing out guns for 1153 01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:00,959 Speaker 3: the Black Panther Party, do that as a Black Panther 1154 01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,640 Speaker 3: as a cop when you were having sex with members 1155 01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:06,360 Speaker 3: of the Black Panther Party. Were you a Black Panther 1156 01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,240 Speaker 3: Party member then or were you a cop? It is 1157 01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,240 Speaker 3: for like an absolute tear down for her to just 1158 01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,480 Speaker 3: be a citizen, not somebody who has been trained in 1159 01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,040 Speaker 3: the theater of law to be able to do this 1160 01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,720 Speaker 3: to somebody who easily knows his rights, probably knows this 1161 01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:26,120 Speaker 3: case backwards and forwards. I mean, she's beyond brilliant. And 1162 01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,120 Speaker 3: I swear to God, I'll stop plugging this out. But 1163 01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,439 Speaker 3: it's called Dear Mama. Is a series, and you learn 1164 01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:34,040 Speaker 3: just as much about Tupac as you do about his mother. 1165 01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:35,800 Speaker 3: And as you're learning about his mother and her time 1166 01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:37,800 Speaker 3: in the Black Party and all of these things she's 1167 01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,439 Speaker 3: done while in the Black Panther Party and post Black 1168 01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:44,200 Speaker 3: Panther Party. It's such an interesting dichotomy when you think 1169 01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:50,960 Speaker 3: about the direction Tupac's life took and where his life ends. 1170 01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,840 Speaker 3: When you think about all of the wonderful things the 1171 01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,000 Speaker 3: Black Panther Party was trying to do for and with 1172 01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,000 Speaker 3: the youth. It's just an incredib black I learned so much. 1173 01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:00,800 Speaker 3: But if any, she's bomb And if you don't know 1174 01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,320 Speaker 3: anything about her, like you should research her. She's an 1175 01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:04,320 Speaker 3: incredible woman. 1176 01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's come up like in a bunch of these episodes. 1177 01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:12,320 Speaker 1: She was basically part of the Stonewall revolt because stop, 1178 01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:18,040 Speaker 1: she's in the Women's House of Detention, which is on 1179 01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:22,040 Speaker 1: stone Wall, right, and all of these people seeing the 1180 01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,880 Speaker 1: rioting outside, they start rioting and it's all of these 1181 01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,600 Speaker 1: gay women in prison. And it was actually in prison 1182 01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,480 Speaker 1: that she realized that she was gay. And she's like 1183 01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:32,640 Speaker 1: fucking like twenty one or something that I'm making up 1184 01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:34,280 Speaker 1: the age I don't remember, but she's young as hell 1185 01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:38,760 Speaker 1: and so like the women revolting in the Women's House 1186 01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:43,080 Speaker 1: of Detention, deserve to be included in the like original 1187 01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:44,440 Speaker 1: Stonewall veterans. 1188 01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:50,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh iconic, Yeah, oh gosh, what a life she's changed. Yeah, 1189 01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,520 Speaker 3: so much, and eventually did start a school in tupacxany 1190 01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,400 Speaker 3: too or to continue to educate black children. 1191 01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to, like Honestly, if I ever do 1192 01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:01,720 Speaker 1: some then specifically on the Panther twenty one, and it'll 1193 01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:05,400 Speaker 1: probably center around her because and the New York Panthers 1194 01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:09,200 Speaker 1: are like my favorite of them because of whatever. We'll 1195 01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:09,600 Speaker 1: get to it. 1196 01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:11,600 Speaker 3: A lot happened with those guys. 1197 01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:15,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, so uh oh. And then the other thing is 1198 01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,280 Speaker 1: I remember, I remember she represented herself and it was 1199 01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,440 Speaker 1: like something I don't have the quote. She got the 1200 01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,640 Speaker 1: guy to admit he sucked. She got him to be like, 1201 01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:26,320 Speaker 1: you're a trader and he's like, yeah, I'm a trader 1202 01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,800 Speaker 1: to the black community, like something like that. 1203 01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. Again, she just grilled this guy. It's cool for 1204 01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,600 Speaker 3: us so that there's video, there's an audio tape of 1205 01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:38,000 Speaker 3: a cross examination, and yeah, she's just got him so 1206 01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,360 Speaker 3: panned because you can't at this point, when you've committed 1207 01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:46,160 Speaker 3: crimes as a black panther, you cannot then stand behind 1208 01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:49,600 Speaker 3: your police uniform on this stand and call yourself a 1209 01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:53,360 Speaker 3: just human being. And she drills that so acutely. By 1210 01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,640 Speaker 3: the end, he's just he's defeated because it's not a 1211 01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,520 Speaker 3: quick examination. It's not that I think he's on the 1212 01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:01,880 Speaker 3: stand for like two or three hours. Just fucking suck. 1213 01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:03,560 Speaker 3: You're a horrible person. Why did you do this? 1214 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:04,240 Speaker 2: Gosh? 1215 01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:07,920 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yeah, I need to watch that documentary. 1216 01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:10,960 Speaker 1: That's like a whole period where I know less about 1217 01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:13,040 Speaker 1: and like I don't know. 1218 01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,760 Speaker 3: In it, you learned Tupac once shot two cops in 1219 01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,240 Speaker 3: the ass and got away with it because they were 1220 01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:23,000 Speaker 3: violently arresting a black man and he was driving by 1221 01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:24,720 Speaker 3: saw it and was like, not on my fucking watch, 1222 01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:30,120 Speaker 3: got that? Hell? Yeah? Oh god, the. 1223 01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:33,680 Speaker 1: Start of the Panthers too, you know, yes, exactly. It 1224 01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:37,720 Speaker 1: takes both. It takes the like parishioner who just wants 1225 01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,520 Speaker 1: to feed kids and the person who's like, man, fuck 1226 01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,400 Speaker 1: this cop, Like you can't get that. 1227 01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not gonna watch you arrest some dude, Yeah, 1228 01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:47,680 Speaker 3: just for driving, Like, no, get the fuck out of here, 1229 01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,720 Speaker 3: not on our watch. Beautiful, yeah, beautiful. All right. 1230 01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:54,400 Speaker 1: So an awful lot canon has been said about what 1231 01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,760 Speaker 1: tour part of the Panthers. The most common version you hear, 1232 01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:58,960 Speaker 1: which is generally true, but it's not all of it, 1233 01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:00,960 Speaker 1: I think, based on a lot of what I've been 1234 01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:06,240 Speaker 1: reading and my own biases. Okay, but overall, federal oppression 1235 01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:08,400 Speaker 1: destroyed the Panthers. Co Intel pro which we've covered on 1236 01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:11,400 Speaker 1: the show before, is the counterintelligence program that was more 1237 01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:14,280 Speaker 1: or less designed from the ground up to destroy the Panthers, 1238 01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:16,920 Speaker 1: as well as any other socialist and anti war types. 1239 01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,080 Speaker 1: We know about co intel Pro because some Jewish radicals 1240 01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:22,520 Speaker 1: associated with the Catholic left. Can you tell that I 1241 01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:26,600 Speaker 1: love coalitions across cultural, political, and religious lines. They broke 1242 01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:29,160 Speaker 1: into an FBI office and then covered all the documents 1243 01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:31,040 Speaker 1: about co intel Pro. 1244 01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:33,360 Speaker 3: What's so brave? 1245 01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:35,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a whole episode about them. They're fucking 1246 01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:39,280 Speaker 1: cool too, and co intel pro pro played dirty. They 1247 01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:41,600 Speaker 1: widened every divide in the movement they could find, and 1248 01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,960 Speaker 1: if they couldn't find one, they would make one. They 1249 01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:48,640 Speaker 1: infiltrated there's like something like seven hundred infiltrators total possibly 1250 01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:52,400 Speaker 1: in the fucking Panthers. They forced people to snitch like 1251 01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,440 Speaker 1: you know, they would I don't know to what degree blackmail, 1252 01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,200 Speaker 1: And I didn't write all this stuff down enough. And 1253 01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:01,200 Speaker 1: they literally terrorized children out of their breakfast. As the 1254 01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:04,720 Speaker 1: seventies got going, most of these movements fell apart. The 1255 01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:08,640 Speaker 1: Panthers are not unique in this regard. The in fighting 1256 01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:12,320 Speaker 1: turned violent. Panthers and other black nationalist groups were getting 1257 01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,800 Speaker 1: into gunfights with each other Panthers and other Panthers were 1258 01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:19,240 Speaker 1: at each other's throats too. But according to at least 1259 01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:22,200 Speaker 1: two books that I've been reading from two different perspectives, 1260 01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:24,800 Speaker 1: that's not all there was to it. The other thing 1261 01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:28,680 Speaker 1: that tore apart the Panthers was hero worship, authoritarianism, and 1262 01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:35,120 Speaker 1: those things being held up by Marxist Leninism and specifically 1263 01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:39,080 Speaker 1: Marxist Leninism isn't what Marx and Lenin believed. Ironically, you 1264 01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:41,519 Speaker 1: would think that based on the name, Marxist Leninism is 1265 01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,280 Speaker 1: an ideology crafted and named by the enemy of the 1266 01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:47,320 Speaker 1: pod At, Joseph Stalin, And it was this whole thing 1267 01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:49,560 Speaker 1: where he wanted to prove he was the true ideological 1268 01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,400 Speaker 1: successor to Lenin after Lenin's death, in order to like 1269 01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:57,000 Speaker 1: be different from Trotsky or whatever. So he wrote about 1270 01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:01,559 Speaker 1: Marxist Leninism and it was his stuff. And the Panther 1271 01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,240 Speaker 1: Party was always inspired by Marxism and Maoism, but it 1272 01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:06,400 Speaker 1: seems to have been just as inspired by, say, the 1273 01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:09,919 Speaker 1: Black nationalist Islam of Malcolm X right and in its origin. 1274 01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:15,920 Speaker 1: The Panthers were organized using a Leninist idea called democratic centralism, 1275 01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:19,160 Speaker 1: which is basically a one party state kind of thing. 1276 01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,759 Speaker 1: This is obviously not true of all of the different 1277 01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:25,640 Speaker 1: smaller groups and right and people are doing a lot 1278 01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:28,600 Speaker 1: of stuff autonomously, but this is the formal structure of 1279 01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:32,559 Speaker 1: the Panthers, and essentially, democratic centralism can look a lot 1280 01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:34,960 Speaker 1: of different ways. Essentially, the idea is like folks vote 1281 01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,000 Speaker 1: on something and then whatever side loses like shuts the 1282 01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,839 Speaker 1: fuck up and toes the line. This is an efficient 1283 01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:43,680 Speaker 1: way to accomplish certain things. Lenin called it freedom of discussion, 1284 01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:49,559 Speaker 1: unity of action. In practice, it means usually whoever's in 1285 01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:53,519 Speaker 1: charge is in charge, kind of an elective monarchy, and 1286 01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:59,400 Speaker 1: it makes no accountability for leadership. So now we're going 1287 01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:01,760 Speaker 1: to talk about the new When we talked about how the 1288 01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,800 Speaker 1: Panthers fell apart, I think it's we're talking about New York. 1289 01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:05,920 Speaker 1: We've talked a bit on the show about New York 1290 01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,760 Speaker 1: City Panthers in the episode about the Young Lords, and 1291 01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,439 Speaker 1: the episode about Up against the Wall Motherfuckers, the episode 1292 01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:14,240 Speaker 1: about Stonewall, and the episode of Gay Liberation Front. The 1293 01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:18,200 Speaker 1: euro Panthers are just like making everything happen in the city. Yeah, 1294 01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:20,240 Speaker 1: And actually some of those groups, like the Young Lords 1295 01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:23,200 Speaker 1: like kind of took up the slack once The Panther 1296 01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:26,280 Speaker 1: twenty one the case that we'll talk about once it 1297 01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,519 Speaker 1: derailed the Black Panther movement because they had to move 1298 01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:33,280 Speaker 1: into prison support, right, So then you know, Puerto Rican 1299 01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,679 Speaker 1: radicals were like, we got you, and they would do 1300 01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:38,320 Speaker 1: many of the same programs and do all this amazing stuff. 1301 01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,680 Speaker 1: There is famously a cultural divide between the West Coast 1302 01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:46,559 Speaker 1: and the East Coast in the radical black community. In 1303 01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,360 Speaker 1: the early seventies. One of the ways that expressed itself 1304 01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:53,679 Speaker 1: was people's relationship to Africa itself. By and large, East 1305 01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:57,799 Speaker 1: Coast radicals were into Pan Africanism, into African religion and style. 1306 01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:01,559 Speaker 1: Folks were taking African and Suslim names, flying the Pan 1307 01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:04,439 Speaker 1: African flag, the red, black and green flag, which is 1308 01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:09,839 Speaker 1: I think Marcus Garvey made that in the nineteen ten teens, 1309 01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,000 Speaker 1: and a lot of them start wrapping New Africa, which 1310 01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,599 Speaker 1: God would be so fucking interesting if they pulled it off. 1311 01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:20,360 Speaker 1: New Africa Africa spell with a K if people want 1312 01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:23,160 Speaker 1: to look it up, is a black secessionist movement that 1313 01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:27,200 Speaker 1: basically said, look, as reparations for slavery, we want the 1314 01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:30,360 Speaker 1: following like four or five states, and it's like deep 1315 01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:34,280 Speaker 1: South states that are like often majority black anyway, right. 1316 01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:36,000 Speaker 3: Yes, and. 1317 01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:42,960 Speaker 1: So this is the East Coast is am using rude exaggerations, 1318 01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:44,560 Speaker 1: but these are the exaggerator. This is this is the 1319 01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:47,720 Speaker 1: way it's framed by the Panthers that I'm reading. The 1320 01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,040 Speaker 1: West Coast wasn't into any of this shit. Out west, 1321 01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:53,639 Speaker 1: you've got names like Don Cox and Huey Newton. Out 1322 01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:58,200 Speaker 1: east you've got a Fenny Shakur and quasi Ballagoon and 1323 01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:02,559 Speaker 1: central leadership banned the Panthers from flying the red, black 1324 01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:06,719 Speaker 1: and Green flag. Furthermore, the New York branch in particular, 1325 01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:10,320 Speaker 1: was excited about militant struggle at a time when the 1326 01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:13,240 Speaker 1: West Coast leadership decided to shift focus and then expected 1327 01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:15,719 Speaker 1: everyone to toe the line. 1328 01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:16,080 Speaker 3: Right. 1329 01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:20,480 Speaker 1: There was a two combat tour Vietnam vet named Geronimo 1330 01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:24,400 Speaker 1: Pratt later Geronimo ji Jaga, and he was running around 1331 01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:27,040 Speaker 1: Panther groups teaching people to arm up and shit. The 1332 01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,200 Speaker 1: West Coast leadership kicked him out of the party for 1333 01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:32,960 Speaker 1: being counter revolutionary, for not following their change of style, 1334 01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:35,840 Speaker 1: and they did this while he was awaiting trial for 1335 01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:39,120 Speaker 1: a murder frame up that sent him to prison for 1336 01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:42,000 Speaker 1: decades before eventually the court was like, oh, whoops, it 1337 01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:44,240 Speaker 1: turns out he was probably innocent. Sorry about old new 1338 01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:46,160 Speaker 1: in prison for fucking decades. 1339 01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:49,879 Speaker 3: Ugh, I mean, and what a time for your party 1340 01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:53,880 Speaker 3: to leave you too, Yeah, like the ideal time when 1341 01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:55,639 Speaker 3: you could use us. 1342 01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:59,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. And Geronimo Pratt was a hero to the New 1343 01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:03,000 Speaker 1: York's City contingent and I believe other chapters as well, 1344 01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:07,320 Speaker 1: so they didn't take it well. They were also the 1345 01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,120 Speaker 1: New York City chapter was the largest chapter in the country, 1346 01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:12,840 Speaker 1: and they were like pretty tired of California telling them 1347 01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,519 Speaker 1: what to do. And of course whenever we talk about 1348 01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:18,040 Speaker 1: these divisions, co Intel pro is meanwhile like rubbing its 1349 01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,639 Speaker 1: hands together going like yes, yes, yes, and then making 1350 01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:24,120 Speaker 1: the divisions worse and like sending fake letters and like 1351 01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,439 Speaker 1: publishing articles, just doing everything they can to make this 1352 01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:32,479 Speaker 1: divide bigger. And you've got the Panther twenty one, who 1353 01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,120 Speaker 1: I keep bringing up on the show, just what we 1354 01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:36,799 Speaker 1: talked about, right, And this is where twenty one Panthers 1355 01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:39,680 Speaker 1: were framed on this like wild bombing murder spree thing 1356 01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:41,280 Speaker 1: where they were like, well, they're going to blow up 1357 01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:44,280 Speaker 1: all in New York, like fucking like Bane out of 1358 01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:48,120 Speaker 1: Batman or whatever, you know. And this is a frame up, 1359 01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:50,880 Speaker 1: and it's like really obviously a frame up, but it 1360 01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,519 Speaker 1: works because it makes several of them, you know, many 1361 01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:57,760 Speaker 1: of them spend years in jail awaiting trial. Eventually all 1362 01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:01,200 Speaker 1: of them get set free, except our guy, Quasi Ballagoon, 1363 01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:03,880 Speaker 1: who was already in jail for some bank robbery shit. 1364 01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,000 Speaker 1: So he didn't get out of jail just because he 1365 01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:09,040 Speaker 1: got indicted and then the case was dropped. He did 1366 01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,439 Speaker 1: actually plead guilty to planning to kill a cop. I 1367 01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:17,240 Speaker 1: don't know whether the situation that case was. And with 1368 01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:21,400 Speaker 1: everything happened in the party, Quasi Ballagoon wounded up adding 1369 01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:23,439 Speaker 1: another thing to his list of oppressive forces that he 1370 01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:27,760 Speaker 1: wanted to fight against, and that was authoritarianism. He, alongside 1371 01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:31,080 Speaker 1: other Panthers and former Panthers, wound up an anarchist. I 1372 01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:32,920 Speaker 1: don't mean to imply the majority of them did or 1373 01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:36,000 Speaker 1: this is like what the New York West Coast split 1374 01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:39,280 Speaker 1: was about, but authority was a huge part of it. 1375 01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,800 Speaker 1: He alongside some other people later found later ended up 1376 01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,519 Speaker 1: starting the Black Liberation Army, which basically declared for in 1377 01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:49,679 Speaker 1: the American government, we'll talk about them some later time. Basically, 1378 01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:52,639 Speaker 1: as all the as all the big public new left 1379 01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:56,160 Speaker 1: groups got crushed, a lot of the more hardcore elements 1380 01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,679 Speaker 1: were like fuck it and went underground and kept fighting 1381 01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,479 Speaker 1: as you do. Yeah, like what, You've dedicated your life 1382 01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:03,639 Speaker 1: to this, You're not going to stop. 1383 01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:11,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. And clearly the straightlad in bright daylight is not 1384 01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:14,240 Speaker 3: as effective as one would hope they understand why they 1385 01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,880 Speaker 3: were like, well, I'm taking this shit under crowd. 1386 01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:21,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. And basically the anti authoritarian critique that emerged in 1387 01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,160 Speaker 1: the Panthers, not just from the anarchist Panthers, was less 1388 01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,400 Speaker 1: that the East Coast methods like better, but rather that 1389 01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:28,599 Speaker 1: each area can have its own culture and work together 1390 01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,080 Speaker 1: and that is stymied by central leadership. And now I'm 1391 01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:33,720 Speaker 1: kind of projecting, but it's like the whole thing that 1392 01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,160 Speaker 1: they managed with the Rainbow Coalition and coalition building right, 1393 01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:39,920 Speaker 1: is about having these groups of equals with differences without 1394 01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:44,280 Speaker 1: erasing those differences, work together towards the same goal. National 1395 01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:48,400 Speaker 1: leadership got to pick who was being worth being bailed out, 1396 01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,120 Speaker 1: and this didn't include many New Yorkers. This is a 1397 01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:54,840 Speaker 1: complaint that a lot of folks had about what happened 1398 01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:57,840 Speaker 1: in New York twenty one. So in nineteen seventy one, 1399 01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:00,280 Speaker 1: the New York Branch wrote an open letter to the 1400 01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,960 Speaker 1: Weather Underground, which is one of these underground groups that's 1401 01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:06,080 Speaker 1: blowing it up, and they state their solidarity with the 1402 01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:10,240 Speaker 1: Weather Underground and they critique the self proclaimed Vanguardists or 1403 01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:14,120 Speaker 1: the self proclaimed any self proclaimed vanguard that dismisses armed struggle. 1404 01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,440 Speaker 1: And this is a clear dig at West Coast leadership. 1405 01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:20,599 Speaker 1: So this leads to the Panther twenty one and I 1406 01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:24,519 Speaker 1: think the New York branch being expelled from the official 1407 01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:26,920 Speaker 1: Panther Party a. 1408 01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:29,880 Speaker 3: Huge blow when you only have five thousand members. 1409 01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,920 Speaker 1: I know here and you kick out literally the largest 1410 01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:34,400 Speaker 1: group secked. 1411 01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:37,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some ego playing into that, unfortunately. 1412 01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:41,240 Speaker 1: Exactly, I want to go back to Quasi because he's 1413 01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:44,040 Speaker 1: so cool, just in case I don't do the Black 1414 01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:47,599 Speaker 1: Liberation Army episodes any time soon. In nineteen seventy, while 1415 01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:50,360 Speaker 1: Quaysy was in prison, he and other folks, including a 1416 01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:54,040 Speaker 1: bunch of Black Panthers, staged a rebellion. They took seven 1417 01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:56,920 Speaker 1: hostages and held them for five days October fifth to 1418 01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:02,240 Speaker 1: first to fifth, nineteen seventy true grassroots Panther style. This 1419 01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:06,559 Speaker 1: was black, Latino and white prisoners working together. Their slogan 1420 01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:09,519 Speaker 1: was all power to the people, free all oppressed people, 1421 01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:14,760 Speaker 1: and their main demand for this rebellion was speedier trials. Right, 1422 01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,400 Speaker 1: a lot of people just get held for years who 1423 01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:22,120 Speaker 1: are supposedly innocent until proven guilty and quazy. He's one 1424 01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:25,720 Speaker 1: of the central organizers, but instead of playing the vanguard 1425 01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:28,960 Speaker 1: and telling the rebels what they should want, he instituted 1426 01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,120 Speaker 1: a collective process for all the inmates to participate in 1427 01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,120 Speaker 1: the decision making about what their demand should be and 1428 01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:37,000 Speaker 1: like what the rebellion should look like. And when he 1429 01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:39,479 Speaker 1: realized that everyone was listening to the Panthers more than 1430 01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:43,040 Speaker 1: anyone else, the Panthers skipped the rest of the meetings 1431 01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:46,120 Speaker 1: and we're like, look, we'll go with whatever you decide. 1432 01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:47,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1433 01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:50,960 Speaker 3: It makes me say we are not here for power, 1434 01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:53,759 Speaker 3: We're not power hungry. We just want what's best. Yep, 1435 01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:57,080 Speaker 3: y'all talk about yourselves and we'll just back your play. Lovely. 1436 01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:00,200 Speaker 1: We started it, and you all can figure out out 1437 01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:01,760 Speaker 1: how to finish it, and we'll support you. 1438 01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:04,880 Speaker 3: Yes, teach Amanda Fish. 1439 01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:09,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, And the rebellion in the end failed most prison 1440 01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:14,879 Speaker 1: rebellions do, but they they still it gave everyone experience 1441 01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:17,000 Speaker 1: at holding the state at bay, and it also gave 1442 01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:21,040 Speaker 1: the most powerless people in our society power for a moment. Right, 1443 01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:24,280 Speaker 1: So Quasi Ballagan wound up finding anarchism while he was 1444 01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:27,320 Speaker 1: in prison, and it provided a lens with which he 1445 01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:30,040 Speaker 1: understood what was going wrong with the Panthers as central 1446 01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:32,599 Speaker 1: leadership became more and more estranged from rank and file. 1447 01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:36,880 Speaker 1: And basically he got really annoying about it, like most 1448 01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:40,960 Speaker 1: people do when they get their new ideology. One former Panther, 1449 01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:44,479 Speaker 1: Kim kitt Holder said, quote, At first he insulted us, 1450 01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:47,280 Speaker 1: calling us robots, but at the same time he gave 1451 01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:50,160 Speaker 1: us a voice articulating our problems with the leadership structure 1452 01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,000 Speaker 1: and the people in it. I was just a kid 1453 01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,000 Speaker 1: in New York City when I joined the party. But 1454 01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:55,880 Speaker 1: remember one of the things that pissed me off was 1455 01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:57,679 Speaker 1: that when we are in five cents for every Panther 1456 01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:00,519 Speaker 1: newspaper that we sold, West Coast folks got ten cents 1457 01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:01,080 Speaker 1: from the sale. 1458 01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:04,719 Speaker 3: Now, okay, I don't. 1459 01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,320 Speaker 1: Know, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 1460 01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:12,160 Speaker 3: And if we are fighting for equity and liberation, how 1461 01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:14,519 Speaker 3: are we paying people different amounts for doing the same 1462 01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:18,760 Speaker 3: that seems in affront to your core tenants West Coast. 1463 01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:23,120 Speaker 1: The hell yeah. And it's around this time that you 1464 01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:27,080 Speaker 1: get allegations of embezzlement from low West Coast leadership. I 1465 01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:32,679 Speaker 1: don't know one way or the other, because they're everyone 1466 01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:36,120 Speaker 1: has so no one is looking at this clearly, and 1467 01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:40,679 Speaker 1: no one can, right because this is the defining moment 1468 01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:42,559 Speaker 1: of your life if you are part of the Black 1469 01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:45,320 Speaker 1: Panther Party in a lot of ways, you know, not 1470 01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:47,479 Speaker 1: whatever I'm not trying to say, like the rest of 1471 01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:49,840 Speaker 1: people's lives is meaningless, but like this is clearly a 1472 01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:51,519 Speaker 1: peak experience. You're not going to come out of it 1473 01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:56,760 Speaker 1: with like a clear objective take, you know. And and 1474 01:19:56,920 --> 01:20:01,519 Speaker 1: so like these are just people. People are fallible hands 1475 01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:03,680 Speaker 1: someone a ton of power and access to money. An 1476 01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:06,679 Speaker 1: awful lot of people will crack under that pressure. Sure, 1477 01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:09,080 Speaker 1: And just to close up with Quazy real quick in 1478 01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,439 Speaker 1: case I don't do the Black Liberation episode soon. He 1479 01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,080 Speaker 1: loved punk rock, He was queer. He was once arrested 1480 01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:19,280 Speaker 1: with his trans lover named CHICKI. And yeah he's coolsh 1481 01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:22,600 Speaker 1: hicky amazing name. Yeah. He went on to keep on 1482 01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:25,200 Speaker 1: the struggle. He broke out of prison twice. He gave 1483 01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:27,960 Speaker 1: amazing speeches and courts that were all just basically like, look, 1484 01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:30,479 Speaker 1: I don't I don't recognize You're right to try me 1485 01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:33,439 Speaker 1: like I am a New African because he was an anarchist, 1486 01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:36,040 Speaker 1: but he's also a new African. Right. He believed very right. 1487 01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:40,600 Speaker 1: And as a man who has sex with men in 1488 01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,240 Speaker 1: the eighties, he died of AIDS in prison. 1489 01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:49,240 Speaker 3: Showed queazy, what a hero, what icon, what a visionary. 1490 01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:51,760 Speaker 3: I know I said I wouldn't celebrate any men, but 1491 01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:54,960 Speaker 3: you know I'm gonna make a little room. Jimmy Hendrix 1492 01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:57,360 Speaker 3: can get some love, and so can you crazy make. 1493 01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:01,879 Speaker 1: He had a trans lover named Chicky, and also everyone 1494 01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:06,400 Speaker 1: writing about him. I know that there's a book, Oh god, 1495 01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:08,240 Speaker 1: I can't remember the name of it. It's like one 1496 01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:10,599 Speaker 1: of the main books I read or whatever, and has 1497 01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:12,800 Speaker 1: all of these reflections of people who knew him, and 1498 01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:14,479 Speaker 1: it's all like, look, you didn't even have to ask 1499 01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:16,240 Speaker 1: him to volunteer. As soon as you were like, man, 1500 01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:18,200 Speaker 1: I need someone to do something, before you even say 1501 01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:20,120 Speaker 1: it out loud, He's just there. He's like all right. 1502 01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:24,599 Speaker 1: And he also would always watch the kids play with 1503 01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:29,360 Speaker 1: the kids. Like he was like, just I I haven't 1504 01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:31,720 Speaker 1: read anything bad about him yet, is what I was saying. 1505 01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:33,160 Speaker 1: And I've read a fair amount. 1506 01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:36,880 Speaker 3: About this man that is so great. I hope that 1507 01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:41,680 Speaker 3: he lived the life his legacy is telling. Yeah, he 1508 01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:47,720 Speaker 3: sounds so wonderful, Like I mean, yeah, real Saul to 1509 01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:49,799 Speaker 3: the Earth kind of guy, real love the people. 1510 01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:55,639 Speaker 1: Yeah. And so it wasn't just the anti authoritarianism, like anarchist, 1511 01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:57,519 Speaker 1: of course is going to be mad at central leadership, right. 1512 01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:01,120 Speaker 1: Part of central leadership also recognized this. The guy Don 1513 01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:03,439 Speaker 1: Cox that we talked about the field Marshal showed up 1514 01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:07,160 Speaker 1: to his daughter's school who wrote the book, just another 1515 01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:12,360 Speaker 1: he he he lays out what he thinks went wrong, 1516 01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:15,160 Speaker 1: and what he thinks went wrong was that they fucking 1517 01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:18,360 Speaker 1: read Stalin. I'm going to paraphrase it. This is apparently 1518 01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:25,719 Speaker 1: I timed the break between the episodes unevenly. But he's like, look, well, actually, 1519 01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:28,040 Speaker 1: I'll read part of the quote. The ideological basis for 1520 01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,360 Speaker 1: the internal destruction of Black Panther Party was laid with 1521 01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:33,200 Speaker 1: the first book we studied. It was Joseph Stalin's The 1522 01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:35,800 Speaker 1: Foundation of Leninism. To be clear, not the first book 1523 01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:38,000 Speaker 1: they studied as panthers. But they had this thing in 1524 01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:39,920 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine where they're like, let's do a study 1525 01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:41,160 Speaker 1: group to figure out how we're going to run this 1526 01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:44,000 Speaker 1: large organization. Now that we have a large organization, you know, 1527 01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:47,160 Speaker 1: that text was used to instill love for the party 1528 01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:50,400 Speaker 1: above everything else, even eventually the struggle. As it turned out, 1529 01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:53,519 Speaker 1: we didn't know then that Stalin had massacred millions in 1530 01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:55,240 Speaker 1: the name of the party, and I must admit at 1531 01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:57,680 Speaker 1: the time, I'm not sure it would have mattered. As 1532 01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:00,120 Speaker 1: the ideas of Marxist Leninism spread throughout the party, it 1533 01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:03,400 Speaker 1: quickly became afflicted with avant gardism and elitism. Considering itself 1534 01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:06,080 Speaker 1: the sole possessor of the truth. Anyone who didn't adhere 1535 01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:08,559 Speaker 1: to the Marxist Leninist ideas were treated as an inferior 1536 01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:12,519 Speaker 1: being worthy of being despised. Adopting the Marxist Leninist structure 1537 01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:15,559 Speaker 1: of the party with democratic centralism as its sole all 1538 01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:18,400 Speaker 1: party was then confiscated in the name of the Central Committee, 1539 01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:21,880 Speaker 1: which in reality meant just David Hilliard and Bobby Seal 1540 01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:24,680 Speaker 1: in name. I was a member of the Central Committee, 1541 01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:27,160 Speaker 1: but there was never one meeting of the Central Committee, 1542 01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:29,360 Speaker 1: Nor were there ever points at which members of the 1543 01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:32,559 Speaker 1: Central Committee were asked to vote on any proposition, or 1544 01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,280 Speaker 1: if there was, I was never told about it. Whenever 1545 01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:38,120 Speaker 1: David or Bobby thought up anything, it was simply sent 1546 01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:41,920 Speaker 1: down through the organization as a directive from the Central Committee. Hey, 1547 01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:48,080 Speaker 1: any the reason he I mean, it's not the reason 1548 01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,200 Speaker 1: he wrote his memoir, although this quote I'm about to 1549 01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:51,920 Speaker 1: read is a big part of it, right, because a 1550 01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:54,040 Speaker 1: lot of the memoirs of the Black Panthers are even 1551 01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:56,720 Speaker 1: like the Panthers ruled or the Panthers sucked right, And 1552 01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:00,760 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't finish reading his. I don't know 1553 01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:03,840 Speaker 1: everything about it yet. But he has another quote as 1554 01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:06,680 Speaker 1: to why he made this critique. Those of us with 1555 01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:09,880 Speaker 1: experiences in the struggle have a historical responsibility to pass 1556 01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:13,080 Speaker 1: them on. Mistakes are the nursery of new ideas, so 1557 01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:15,800 Speaker 1: we must share them too. If we continue to hide 1558 01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,040 Speaker 1: and distort our errors, those coming after us will be 1559 01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:21,000 Speaker 1: condemned to repeat them. We cannot afford the luxury of 1560 01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:23,320 Speaker 1: leaving it up to historians to reveal what we did 1561 01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:26,720 Speaker 1: after fifty or one hundred years have passed. Present conditions 1562 01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:28,360 Speaker 1: demand we tell our stories now. 1563 01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:35,320 Speaker 3: Through yes, absolute word, absolute word. 1564 01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:38,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I I find it so interesting because it's 1565 01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:43,760 Speaker 1: like he's not like fuck the Panthers. He's like, oh, 1566 01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:47,960 Speaker 1: here's how I track some mistakes we made, you know. 1567 01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:53,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a person who understands. I mean, he 1568 01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:56,320 Speaker 3: sounds like an actual leader. You know, we set goals, 1569 01:24:56,479 --> 01:25:00,360 Speaker 3: we strove for them. Where did we fall short? And 1570 01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,640 Speaker 3: what would we not do again? Is the basis of 1571 01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:05,880 Speaker 3: what you need to continue a movement, I would think, 1572 01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:10,759 Speaker 3: And I mean he sounds like an incredible human being 1573 01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:14,559 Speaker 3: and I definitely see, yeah, see an issue with two 1574 01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:18,200 Speaker 3: people being like, now we control everything and you'll do 1575 01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:23,120 Speaker 3: as we say and don't push back. That is egregious. 1576 01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:27,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, And like I mean, most people, it seems like 1577 01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:29,519 Speaker 1: most people just like did what they were going to 1578 01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:33,840 Speaker 1: do anyway, right, like yes, and then so then they 1579 01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:37,840 Speaker 1: got real mad about it. But so the Panthers lingered 1580 01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:41,720 Speaker 1: throughout the seventies, even though they had started to fall apart. Right, 1581 01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:45,439 Speaker 1: But again, every movement during this time did I'm not 1582 01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:48,519 Speaker 1: The last branch closed its doors in nineteen eighty two, 1583 01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:53,599 Speaker 1: and their legacy is astounding. They had problems, There were 1584 01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:55,639 Speaker 1: a bunch of kids, for the most part, getting together 1585 01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:57,320 Speaker 1: and saying we have an idea of what's wrong, and 1586 01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:59,040 Speaker 1: we have an idea of how to make it better. 1587 01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:01,240 Speaker 1: And they made some mistake, and they did more than 1588 01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:05,519 Speaker 1: almost anyone can dream of. They inspired not only their generation, 1589 01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:09,240 Speaker 1: but every generation that has come since. They directly fed, clothed, 1590 01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:11,879 Speaker 1: house protected, and gave medical care to tens of thousands 1591 01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:15,400 Speaker 1: or hundreds of thousands of people. They brought together marginalized 1592 01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:19,000 Speaker 1: people without erasing the differences between those marginalized people, just 1593 01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:22,280 Speaker 1: focusing on common enemies like capitalism and the police. And 1594 01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:26,200 Speaker 1: they forced reform after reform, not by asking for reform, 1595 01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:28,720 Speaker 1: but by using direct action to force the state to 1596 01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:33,040 Speaker 1: play catch up with them. They lived adventurous lives. Many 1597 01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:35,360 Speaker 1: of them wound up dead or in prison for decades. 1598 01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:38,280 Speaker 1: Some of them are still behind bars, and actually, if 1599 01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:40,600 Speaker 1: people want to look into it, the Jericho Project is 1600 01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:44,920 Speaker 1: a project that works to trying to fight for things 1601 01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:48,800 Speaker 1: like compassionate release for people who've been in prison for 1602 01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:52,799 Speaker 1: fifty fucking years. Others of them lived long and happy lives. 1603 01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:55,400 Speaker 1: Some lived in the States, and awful lot of them 1604 01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:57,640 Speaker 1: got the fuck out of the country, especially to Algeria, 1605 01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:05,240 Speaker 1: Don Cox to France, and I don't know. They were fucking. 1606 01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:12,080 Speaker 3: Cool, amazing. I mean truly the stuff of legends. And 1607 01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:16,000 Speaker 3: I think laid the ground work, like the blueprint for 1608 01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:22,400 Speaker 3: how we might merge the disparate sex of society that 1609 01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:27,160 Speaker 3: should be together to fight capitalism. You know, I think 1610 01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:30,160 Speaker 3: that's we're still trying to figure out how to get 1611 01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:35,400 Speaker 3: back to that space on a mass level. It's such 1612 01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:39,920 Speaker 3: a challenge. I think a thing our generation, our current 1613 01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:44,160 Speaker 3: living peoples frequently forget. It's like, if we look at 1614 01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:47,839 Speaker 3: our economic situation, where worse soft than literally every generation 1615 01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:48,960 Speaker 3: that's come before us. 1616 01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:51,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, a great depression. We've got nothing on what's happening now. 1617 01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:56,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the actual hindrance and it's crazy and it's 1618 01:27:56,320 --> 01:28:00,559 Speaker 3: wild because again it's so distorted. Folks will say such 1619 01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:04,000 Speaker 3: brash things like they went to zoos in killed animals 1620 01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:06,080 Speaker 3: to eat, and it's like, well, we've figured out how 1621 01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:09,599 Speaker 3: to make very cheap food and get it to people quickly, 1622 01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:12,080 Speaker 3: so we don't have the same food supply problems. But 1623 01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:14,840 Speaker 3: look at the number of people who we're literally seeing 1624 01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:17,800 Speaker 3: major stars be like, yeah, I have to sell my 1625 01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:21,120 Speaker 3: house because of non strike for two months. What. Yeah, 1626 01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:24,240 Speaker 3: that's crazy. That is crazy that you can have an active, 1627 01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:28,280 Speaker 3: visible career in Hollywood and still be living show paycheck 1628 01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:31,719 Speaker 3: to paycheck. And I think, you know, as we continue 1629 01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:34,400 Speaker 3: to see the rise of the workers Revolution, I hope 1630 01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:36,400 Speaker 3: we all continue to think back on the work the 1631 01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:38,880 Speaker 3: Black Panthers have done. I really think we're on the 1632 01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:42,920 Speaker 3: cusp of a general strike. It's kind of bold to say, 1633 01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:46,880 Speaker 3: but we're getting closer every day. We'll see how some 1634 01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:51,639 Speaker 3: of these next negotiations go, especially at the city level. 1635 01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:54,680 Speaker 3: But you know, I think we're all very tired and 1636 01:28:54,840 --> 01:29:00,640 Speaker 3: very poor and ready for changes we know can be 1637 01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:05,720 Speaker 3: made pretty easily and have massive impact. So shout out 1638 01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:08,280 Speaker 3: to Black Panthers who lay the ground where hopefully we 1639 01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:11,200 Speaker 3: can conclude some of your beautiful mission statements that we 1640 01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:13,440 Speaker 3: have not achieved yet as a society. 1641 01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:16,960 Speaker 1: I know, God, that was heartbreaking when you pointed out 1642 01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:19,040 Speaker 1: they were like, oh, we haven't gotten those, Like fuck, 1643 01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:19,439 Speaker 1: I was. 1644 01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:21,639 Speaker 3: Hoping for one. You started reading and I was like, oh, 1645 01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:25,639 Speaker 3: well maybe we have one. No, no, we have nothing. 1646 01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:28,840 Speaker 1: How does how do juries compare this? Are they still 1647 01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:32,439 Speaker 1: like is it still really regular that like black folks 1648 01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:33,880 Speaker 1: are tried by all white juries and shit. 1649 01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:36,960 Speaker 3: I don't have stats on that, but I would imagine 1650 01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:44,240 Speaker 3: not much better, particularly for heavily redlining places, because where 1651 01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:46,800 Speaker 3: you're committing crimes, you know often when where you're getting 1652 01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:49,120 Speaker 3: caught is not the same place where you live. Like 1653 01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:52,800 Speaker 3: I think a lot about like in Chicago, where there's 1654 01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:56,600 Speaker 3: a great transit system, So you might go downtown to 1655 01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:59,360 Speaker 3: steal a pair of jeans because it's easier to get 1656 01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:02,920 Speaker 3: away with stealing from like the gap there than you know, 1657 01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:05,360 Speaker 3: like your local store or whatever. Out in the birds 1658 01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:08,400 Speaker 3: there's a lot of heavy foot traffic. Those people know, like, hey, 1659 01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:12,240 Speaker 3: you don't go after a thief because you know who cares. 1660 01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:13,360 Speaker 3: The store is insured. 1661 01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:14,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1662 01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:18,760 Speaker 3: I'm saying this because I remember a very specific case. Yeah, 1663 01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:20,320 Speaker 3: he sold a pair of jeans and was in prison 1664 01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:22,000 Speaker 3: for like four months, no trial. 1665 01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:23,439 Speaker 1: Oh God, like someone. 1666 01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:26,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a homeless guy who had no other clue. 1667 01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:28,840 Speaker 3: He just wanted a clean pair of pants to wear. 1668 01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:32,920 Speaker 3: And the article was like, it's crazy how much we've 1669 01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:34,680 Speaker 3: spent on this guy when all we could have just 1670 01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:36,479 Speaker 3: given him the twenty bucks for jeans. And I was like, 1671 01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:39,240 Speaker 3: it's crazy that we just can't give that guy some 1672 01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:41,760 Speaker 3: clothes and a house when we have more than enough 1673 01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:42,200 Speaker 3: of both. 1674 01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:45,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, like I can't can see. 1675 01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:48,200 Speaker 3: I don't understand why we operate this way. They literally 1676 01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:50,880 Speaker 3: zero sentence. It helps no one to be like, hey, 1677 01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:53,160 Speaker 3: I want to make sure you have nothing. It hurts 1678 01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:53,920 Speaker 3: all of us. 1679 01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:56,719 Speaker 1: The world is literally on fire because of the economic 1680 01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:57,760 Speaker 1: system that we live in. 1681 01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:04,519 Speaker 3: How we are, we are close to drowning. We have 1682 01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:08,160 Speaker 3: so many issues, and people just let it up. Just 1683 01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:12,679 Speaker 3: gotta make sure capitalism stays strong. There's no way any 1684 01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:15,840 Speaker 3: other system could possibly work. That's the thing, dude. Talking 1685 01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:20,280 Speaker 3: to people like usually over forty five, it is so excutse. 1686 01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:22,280 Speaker 3: They're like, there's nothing else we could possibly do. I'm like, 1687 01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:24,840 Speaker 3: that's so sad that you feel this way. I don't 1688 01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:30,840 Speaker 3: know how to help you understand that revolutions happen any things. 1689 01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:32,639 Speaker 3: When people are like, oh, general strike can ever occur? 1690 01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:34,519 Speaker 3: I was like, don't let the price of bread become 1691 01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:37,680 Speaker 3: too expensive? Yeah, we can track every revolution by the 1692 01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:38,320 Speaker 3: price of bread. 1693 01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:39,880 Speaker 1: Every single one. 1694 01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:46,920 Speaker 3: Do some history, bro. It won't be hard, crazy, but yeah, 1695 01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:48,599 Speaker 3: I have some history. 1696 01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:48,960 Speaker 1: Bro. 1697 01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:54,280 Speaker 3: Bro. They will come and eat you if they cannot 1698 01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:56,080 Speaker 3: feed their children. I just want to let you know 1699 01:31:56,479 --> 01:32:00,240 Speaker 3: that's people's breaking point. Yeah, when your child, that's when 1700 01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:02,839 Speaker 3: the guns and the knives and the burning of houses 1701 01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:03,280 Speaker 3: comes out. 1702 01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:05,559 Speaker 1: And we don't want time. We did it before then, 1703 01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:06,840 Speaker 1: so we can minimize the. 1704 01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:08,960 Speaker 3: Car What if you just gave it to them and 1705 01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:10,920 Speaker 3: you still were richer than all of us. I mean, 1706 01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:15,040 Speaker 3: you could still keep the majority of your power. We're 1707 01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:21,360 Speaker 3: asking for so little, so just a fragment just to survive, 1708 01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:25,040 Speaker 3: and we'll be happy with it too. Margaret, I love 1709 01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:28,840 Speaker 3: talking to you. This was amazing. I loved hearing so 1710 01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:31,240 Speaker 3: many I love the Black Panther Party already, just and 1711 01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:36,040 Speaker 3: especially there's so many women survivors who have sort of 1712 01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:38,320 Speaker 3: in the cracks of stories told their story, you know 1713 01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:42,120 Speaker 3: what I mean, and interview here a random podcast there 1714 01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:47,040 Speaker 3: like not nameless but not named, if that makes sense, Yeah, 1715 01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:50,800 Speaker 3: you know, And and and hearing the good they got 1716 01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:52,680 Speaker 3: to do and knowing they were for the gays. It 1717 01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:58,120 Speaker 3: was so beautiful. I'm enraged. I hope everyone listenings enraged. 1718 01:32:58,120 --> 01:32:59,639 Speaker 3: I hope we can make some of these Black Panther 1719 01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:03,599 Speaker 3: goals true. Yeah, I agree, you got anything to plug here. 1720 01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:06,160 Speaker 3: At the end of our longest episode that we've done, 1721 01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:09,559 Speaker 3: which the pathers deserve to be clear. But I also 1722 01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:13,679 Speaker 3: I fucked up putting the split in scripts. I think 1723 01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:17,160 Speaker 3: I'm honored to this is my legacy as a podcaster 1724 01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:20,479 Speaker 3: is to always make an episode way too long. I 1725 01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:23,719 Speaker 3: love it. I hope everyone listening enjoyed the ride very quickly. 1726 01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:25,680 Speaker 3: I talked about it last time, so I'll keep it 1727 01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:28,360 Speaker 3: short this time. I am making a film. It's called Dinner. 1728 01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:31,200 Speaker 3: You can support it on a website called Seed and Spark. 1729 01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:36,599 Speaker 3: It's seed and s p a r k dot com. 1730 01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:38,280 Speaker 3: If you type in Dinner in the search bar, I 1731 01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:40,800 Speaker 3: film will show up. Our goal is to recreate the 1732 01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:43,280 Speaker 3: way we make films in Hollywood, to make it safe 1733 01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:44,960 Speaker 3: and equitable. One coold thing I'll tell you that I 1734 01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:47,400 Speaker 3: didn't tell you before. We're doing a Favorite Nations approach. 1735 01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:49,559 Speaker 3: So when we get funded, because we will get funded, 1736 01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:53,280 Speaker 3: you're gonna say everybody who operates on the film the 1737 01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:55,479 Speaker 3: same amount of money. You're a PA, he gets to 1738 01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:59,080 Speaker 3: the same amount of editor. This is a way to 1739 01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:02,800 Speaker 3: make sure sure we can contribute financially to everyone on set, 1740 01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:05,400 Speaker 3: because as it is now, everyone's donating their time, but 1741 01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:08,120 Speaker 3: we really want to support them. Financially and to do 1742 01:34:08,160 --> 01:34:09,840 Speaker 3: it in a way that keeps cost down for the 1743 01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:12,280 Speaker 3: production so instead of the film made, but makes everyone 1744 01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:14,759 Speaker 3: feel like a fair and equal part of the production. 1745 01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:16,439 Speaker 3: We think it's a really great way for Hollywood to 1746 01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:18,559 Speaker 3: think about how movies are made in the future, because 1747 01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:21,000 Speaker 3: we don't think any job is less than another job. 1748 01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:23,519 Speaker 3: So yeah, Also, if you don't want if you're just 1749 01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:25,120 Speaker 3: like fuck you do, I don't want to support your film, 1750 01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:27,680 Speaker 3: but you like independent cinema, you could still go to 1751 01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:30,400 Speaker 3: Seeden Spark and support another film. There's so many great films. 1752 01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:32,519 Speaker 3: And what I love about this organization is they do 1753 01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:35,439 Speaker 3: a lot of work to help sustain independent career. So 1754 01:34:35,439 --> 01:34:38,320 Speaker 3: it's not about getting this film funded, It's about creating 1755 01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:41,679 Speaker 3: a community for a filmmaker so that you can constantly 1756 01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:44,720 Speaker 3: be creating art for your community in a sustainable way 1757 01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:47,120 Speaker 3: so you can have a career and a life. And 1758 01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:49,519 Speaker 3: I just think it's beautiful that anybody thought to try 1759 01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:51,680 Speaker 3: to make that happen. And I'm really glad to be 1760 01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:54,040 Speaker 3: a part of the experiment. So yeah, check out Steed 1761 01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:54,439 Speaker 3: and Spark. 1762 01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:59,920 Speaker 1: Awesome. I am excited for this. I'm excited to see Dinner. 1763 01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:03,679 Speaker 3: Thank you I'm excited to show way. It's a tirical horror. 1764 01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:05,720 Speaker 3: It's great, one of my favorite genres. 1765 01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:09,240 Speaker 1: What do I have to plug? Do I do things? 1766 01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:11,760 Speaker 2: You have another podcast? Oh? 1767 01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:14,479 Speaker 1: I have another podcast. It's called Live Like the World 1768 01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:16,920 Speaker 1: Is Dying. It comes out every Friday and it is 1769 01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:22,280 Speaker 1: a individual and community preparedness podcast. Or our tagline is 1770 01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:24,559 Speaker 1: your podcast for it feels like the end times, I 1771 01:35:24,640 --> 01:35:25,920 Speaker 1: may drop the feels like. 1772 01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:32,320 Speaker 3: Depressing but okay, dark but accurate. 1773 01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:37,800 Speaker 1: I started it before the pandemic. Things have escalated since then. 1774 01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:41,000 Speaker 1: I also want to I don't have it in front 1775 01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:45,519 Speaker 1: of me. There is a fundraiser for the bailing out 1776 01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:49,799 Speaker 1: the black people who defended themselves in a viral video 1777 01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:52,640 Speaker 1: on a doc in I really didn't put this in 1778 01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:59,200 Speaker 1: the Scriptah, okay, cool, and so shout out to the 1779 01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:02,320 Speaker 1: inventor of the full lean chair, who was a black man. 1780 01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:10,559 Speaker 1: And it's it's worth bailing out. It's worth supporting people 1781 01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:15,200 Speaker 1: who practice community defense, whether it is structured and organized 1782 01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:17,840 Speaker 1: or whether it is like people being like no, that's 1783 01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:18,599 Speaker 1: not going to happen. 1784 01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:23,320 Speaker 3: Absolutely impromptu performance of greatness. Yeah, make sure these folks 1785 01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:25,479 Speaker 3: don't spend time in prison. That's so fucking dumb. I 1786 01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:28,400 Speaker 3: help them get out. That is whoa. I hate that 1787 01:36:28,439 --> 01:36:33,120 Speaker 3: they're in prison. I love their action on a former 1788 01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:38,920 Speaker 3: sleeve selling doc. They used to sell black people there 1789 01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:42,400 Speaker 3: and then there was liberation. Even in a small, short 1790 01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:45,840 Speaker 3: lived epic experience as it was, it was beautiful. 1791 01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:48,720 Speaker 1: So I don't have in front of me which fundraiser is, 1792 01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:50,960 Speaker 1: like the one or whatever, but you can google it, 1793 01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:56,240 Speaker 1: and I just it's on my mind. So that's what 1794 01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:57,080 Speaker 1: I want to shout out. 1795 01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:02,200 Speaker 2: Sophie and Robert did a crossover hood politics and it 1796 01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:05,680 Speaker 2: could happen here episode about the exactly what you just 1797 01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:07,679 Speaker 2: talked about, Margaret, so people can check out. 1798 01:37:08,200 --> 01:37:10,280 Speaker 1: I am going to check that out tomorrow while I'm driving, 1799 01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:10,840 Speaker 1: which is. 1800 01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:13,120 Speaker 2: He will not be out by then, but it'll be 1801 01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:16,920 Speaker 2: out by time this episode comes out. I'm sorry, it's coming. 1802 01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:21,519 Speaker 1: Time anyway. Yeah, I'll wait, huh okay, as. 1803 01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:22,960 Speaker 2: Soon as soon as I have it, I will send 1804 01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:23,280 Speaker 2: it to you. 1805 01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:23,559 Speaker 1: Thanks. 1806 01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:31,040 Speaker 2: That's called producer privilege. A friend your local producer, unless 1807 01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:33,519 Speaker 2: they're creepy than walk the other way. 1808 01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:36,920 Speaker 1: Also, if you are listening, don't ask Sophie for this favor. 1809 01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:40,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that this is a this is a Margaret 1810 01:37:40,160 --> 01:37:43,439 Speaker 2: only privilege. Anyways, Follow me on Instagram. 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