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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today we have Tammy

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Speaker 1: Bruce with us. She is a Fox News contributor and

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Speaker 1: the author of the book of Fear Itself, Exposing the Left's.

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Speaker 2: Mind killing agenda. Tammy, thank you for joining me.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for asking me. I'm looking forward to it.

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Speaker 1: It's fine, No, it's great because I was actually just

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Speaker 1: talking to some people today in West Michigan who are like,

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Speaker 1: how is the left doing this? They just don't understand it,

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Speaker 1: And so I wanted to get into your book. You

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Speaker 1: are a former liberal, So how is it happening? Why

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Speaker 1: are we not good at this?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's interesting because you know, this is

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Speaker 3: one good thing about the internet is that you get

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Speaker 3: a lot more information. But then also bad guys can

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Speaker 3: use it to indoctrinate and to confuse, and you know

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Speaker 3: we're seeing that right now with the remake of Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 3: It's like a big production. It's it's bread and circuses.

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Speaker 3: But the book in particular, I was really a cart

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Speaker 3: pusher on the left. I was the president of the

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Speaker 3: National Organization for Women in Los Angeles, and you know

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Speaker 3: it's because the issues matter to me. I wanted to

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Speaker 3: make a difference on things like violence against women, domestic

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Speaker 3: violence in general, the economy. Right, obviously, we're all very

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Speaker 3: much impacted by the choices we can make based on

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Speaker 3: how much money's in our bank account and how much

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Speaker 3: money we have in our pocket. We can be in

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Speaker 3: relationships because we want to be, not because we have

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Speaker 3: to be. That we can live in an area where

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Speaker 3: You know, all these kinds of things matter no matter

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Speaker 3: who you are. It's nonpartisan. And so for me, it

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Speaker 3: was always about making progress on the issues, and I

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Speaker 3: wanted to organize us out of business. And a big

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Speaker 3: revelation for me was when my feminist mentor who has

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Speaker 3: since passed away, and I'd approached her and said, look,

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Speaker 3: it seems like sometimes we're making things worse on a

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Speaker 3: particular issue, et cetera. And she said yeah, and she

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Speaker 3: of indoctrination that happens is that she said, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's important sometimes to pour salt into the wound, because

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Speaker 3: then we would always be needed. You don't want to

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Speaker 3: be you know, you don't want to organize yourself out

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Speaker 3: of business because eventually we'll be needed again, and then

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Speaker 3: where will people be? And I thought to myself. Then

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Speaker 3: it occurred to me, there are a series of moments

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Speaker 3: like that where this was a money making business. This

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Speaker 3: was about power. It wasn't about solving a problem. It

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Speaker 3: was just another aspect of control which I wanted to,

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Speaker 3: you know, address. But one of the themes that I

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Speaker 3: now I do, and I think most of us do,

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Speaker 3: is the use of fear and threats and intimidation to

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Speaker 3: control the population at large. And you know, the most

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Speaker 3: recent thing we experienced, of course, was COVID, but it's

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Speaker 3: been going on on much longer than that. COVID was

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Speaker 3: just they got sloppy and excited and there was a

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Speaker 3: lot of hubris in their attitude.

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Speaker 1: It was amazing how quickly we were willing to give

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Speaker 1: up our rights for out of fear, well for your

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Speaker 3: Because we've been trained, starting with political correctness and the

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Speaker 3: changing of language. Oh, you know, you don't want to

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Speaker 3: call that a manhole cover, that'll that's insulting, it leaves

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Speaker 3: out women, Or you don't want to say fireman. You

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Speaker 3: don't you know, there's there were a lot of words.

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Speaker 2: You're so right.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing to me too, just a generation away from me,

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Speaker 1: how I will say things people are like, oh, you

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Speaker 2: And it's not an offensive thing.

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Speaker 3: Right, But you see, that's the training, that's the brainwashing,

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Speaker 3: it's the gas lighting. So it starts with baby steps,

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Speaker 3: and we got used to this idea that even our

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Speaker 3: then we move into issues like hate crimes, and then

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Speaker 3: of course identity politics became all the rage. We began

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Speaker 3: in bulkanized little groups segregated away from each other. That too,

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Speaker 3: because you're looking at a group as opposed to individuals.

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Speaker 1: Well, you've probably seen this latest video from the White

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Speaker 2: Think is crazy.

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Speaker 1: If we had white women for Trump, people would know

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Speaker 1: bonkers about that, like, how could you possibly segregate people?

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Speaker 1: And I don't even think I don't even think that way,

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Speaker 1: have these women that are talking to you like you're

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Speaker 1: this work? But they have huge following.

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you the that's the racism, the patronizing,

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Speaker 3: this idea that the great white Savior has to come

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Speaker 3: the meetings said black women can't do this on their own.

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Speaker 3: It's like, really, maybe they could.

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Speaker 2: So interesting.

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Speaker 1: I never thought about it that way, but you're right

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Speaker 1: they because they're like, we are the ones that are higher.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're listening to their language, we use

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Speaker 1: your privilege.

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Speaker 2: You are in this fantastic position. How discussed it?

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Speaker 3: You know, aren't we great that we're going to come

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Speaker 3: came from the left for a reason. Working together works.

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Speaker 3: You're right, unions before being hijacked, like everything being hijacked

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Speaker 3: as a collective entity. Social action works. We saw that

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Speaker 3: with the Budlight boycott, even though that was unorganized, but

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Speaker 3: you see there is a benefit to that. The left,

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Speaker 3: of course comes in like a parasite and hijacks these

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Speaker 3: like white men and white women. This is a perfect

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Speaker 3: illustration of this separating people out, which implies that we

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Speaker 3: the general racism that was being espoused. So all of

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Speaker 3: this is reinforcing. The core element of this is the

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Speaker 3: identity politics COVID the issue of now we're told, you know,

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Speaker 3: that can clearly causes panic among people, but these are

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Speaker 3: meant to be transitory, it says a woman. If you're

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Speaker 3: it's a weaponized fear to make it chronic, which is

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Speaker 1: I mean, we have a great example of this in

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Speaker 1: about the climate change. Stay tuned for more of my

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Speaker 1: interview with Tammy Bruce, But first let me tell you

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Speaker 1: about my partners at IFCJ. Since the start of the

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Speaker 1: for more than forty years, the International Fellowship of Christians

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Speaker 1: Those are all good things. But you you the fear,

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Speaker 2: They don't have the organization behind.

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Speaker 1: They're not the community organizers, you know, we're not the

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Speaker 1: Obamas of the of the country. And it ends up

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Speaker 1: backfiring even bigger for Republicans. It seems like we haven't

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Speaker 1: figured this out yet well.

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Speaker 3: And it's because the left of what I did all

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Speaker 3: the time, whatever MED was doing all the time, was

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Speaker 3: organizing on an issue, and that is so easy to

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Speaker 3: translate into an actual political campaign. I mean the Republicans,

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Speaker 3: you know, there's there's and it's really a different kind

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Speaker 3: of mindset. Republicans are thinking about issues, They're thinking about governing,

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Speaker 3: They're thinking about how to make a city work, They're

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Speaker 3: thinking about how to improve the quality of people's lives

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Speaker 3: with lower taxes, and how can we make the future

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Speaker 3: look better. That the left is thinking, how can we

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Speaker 3: make this an issue right now? And fundraise and frighten

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Speaker 3: the pants off people and get them to a place

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Speaker 3: to do a demonstration. And that takes the good.

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Speaker 2: They's all the good in it.

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Speaker 3: It's all they do. And so the right conservatives and

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Speaker 3: we see this now finally with Trump. And the reason

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Speaker 3: we see it with Trump is because he has naturally

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Speaker 3: from the start been able to bring people to him.

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Speaker 3: That is a new thing with Republicans, this idea that

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Speaker 3: you can fill a stadium with people. And then the

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Speaker 3: problem in the beginning was, but they kind of understood

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Speaker 3: a little bit, was how do you get the names

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Speaker 3: and numbers of those people? And now emails of course,

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Speaker 3: and that's what Kamala Harris was doing in Atlanta with

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Speaker 3: that concert from the Twerking Girl people who you know,

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Speaker 3: it was like people, it's like, oh, what's this? Is

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Speaker 3: this what Kamala Harris represents? No, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 3: There were a lot thousands and thousands of people, ten thousand,

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Speaker 3: it was a huge thing. But they weren't there for Harris.

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Speaker 3: They were there for that performer. But in the meantime,

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Speaker 3: the Harris campaign got their numbers, so they got people

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Speaker 3: who are willing to come out for a performance and

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Speaker 3: that's what matters, especially now, and she looked the down

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Speaker 3: ballot for the Democrats with Biden was going to be apocalyptic.

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Speaker 3: And because they some stories are the Democrat Party couldn't

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Speaker 3: even because there's such a low level of enthusiasm, they

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Speaker 3: were having trouble getting people to phone bank and knock

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Speaker 3: on doors. It's not just about getting them out to vote.

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Speaker 3: So that's what Harris is doing, and that's what the

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Speaker 3: left does. The right under now Laura Trump and the

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Speaker 3: Trump organization itself. This that different mentality is not just

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Speaker 3: about almost in a way, the Republicans are, you know,

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Speaker 3: all right, well, at least we're really good opposition. We're

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Speaker 3: fine being the minority opposition. And they just accept that.

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Speaker 3: And part of it is because they're wobbly. It's it's

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Speaker 3: you know, it's like, well, as long as everything's okay

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Speaker 3: and it's you know, then it becomes never trumpers. And

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Speaker 3: you know it's in Liz Cheney, you know, going off

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Speaker 3: and people saying, oh, yeah, we're Nikki Haley voters for Kamala.

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Speaker 3: It's like, you know, the edibles down for a minute.

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Speaker 3: I mean, thank for a freaking second here. But that

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Speaker 3: shows you what Americans why we're in such trouble because

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Speaker 3: there has not been a commitment to the nature as

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Speaker 3: Reagan would have told us, to the real nature of

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Speaker 3: what conservatism is. And it's not that wobbly thing. So

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Speaker 3: it looks like that transition has been made and now

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Speaker 3: the Trump team, I think we'll see a better get

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Speaker 3: out the vote effort, We'll see better local organizing. There

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Speaker 3: is the enthusiasm, and we have to hope and pray.

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Speaker 3: Prayer is powerful that the American people understand what's really

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Speaker 3: at stake.

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Speaker 1: Right absolutely, And that's actually one of the things that

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Speaker 1: I think is most important to talk to people about

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Speaker 1: when they don't talk about those bread meat issues, because

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Speaker 1: that turns when you're trying to talk to somebody who's

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Speaker 1: in the middle, if you talk about the far right issues,

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Speaker 1: that's going to turn them off.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's been the.

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Speaker 1: Struggle that we have had, is to say, hey, well

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, let's talk about world peace. What does

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Speaker 1: it really look like? And why did a Ran suddenly

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Speaker 1: go after Israel? And how are they paying all these people? Well,

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Speaker 1: sanctions mean something, all these things, you know, people don't

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Speaker 1: they don't understand the intricacies, and that's why you have

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Speaker 1: to go, well, hey, are you really willing to have

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Speaker 1: a conversation. We have to get to the point where

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Speaker 1: we're willing to have a conversation. And I think people now,

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people in the middle

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Speaker 1: that are and I hope that we're able to meet

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Speaker 1: them where they are and have that conversation. And I

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Speaker 1: hope that people will get your book and have some

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Speaker 1: understanding of what it means to like be real by fear.

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Speaker 1: So I want to talk a little bit about that

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Speaker 1: and where people can find it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, you know, it's just one of the one

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Speaker 3: of the easiest things in the world. And I don't

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Speaker 3: think people know this in the moment, but whenever you've

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Speaker 3: had a big burden that you've been carrying around, we

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Speaker 3: adjust to it so easily because we have to that

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Speaker 3: you don't even know that it was there until it's gone.

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Speaker 3: And maybe it's you know, it can manifest anyway in

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Speaker 3: our personal lives, but operating in fear is one of

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Speaker 3: those kinds of things that chronic fear, the anxiety. You know,

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Speaker 3: I don't know who doesn't have anxiety. With what's been

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Speaker 3: going on. We're all affected by this and it's something

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Speaker 3: that just seems to become normal, and that's what the

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Speaker 3: left wants. But part of what this book argues is

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Speaker 3: that now I'll give you My first pact is telling people.

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Speaker 3: And it's a simple you know, decision making is powerful,

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Speaker 3: but real decisions. It's not about thinking about something, but

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Speaker 3: deciding is that we must decide to stop letting strangers

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Speaker 3: dictate how we feel about ourselves, because that's one of

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Speaker 3: the techniques of the left. You hear it all the

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Speaker 3: time that you're a bigot, you're a racist, you're unkind,

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Speaker 3: You've got to be careful because your existence is the problem.

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Speaker 3: And you know, it's you begin to think, well, and

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Speaker 3: I've got some stories in the book about you know,

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Speaker 3: hearing from people who eventually become they believe it. They

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Speaker 3: believe that the liberals, the Democrats are more socially, you know, better,

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Speaker 3: or superior. But the fact of the matter is, of

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Speaker 3: course people's lives are destroyed under the left. That is

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Speaker 3: not a moral high ground. But the first thing is

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Speaker 3: that if somebody yells at you you're a racist, our

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Speaker 3: inclination is to think, well, wait a minute, why did

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Speaker 3: that person think that. Maybe I've got to consider what

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Speaker 3: I've been doing. No, no, no, no, that's a stranger,

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Speaker 3: even if it's a family member. I always recommend that

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Speaker 3: if you're called a name like you're a bigot, or

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Speaker 3: you're a white supremacist, or you're a racist. Ooh, take

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Speaker 3: it as though that person called you a cocker spaniel.

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Speaker 3: Well you would not immediately, tutor look at your ass

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Speaker 3: to look for that tale. You know, you have no tail.

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Speaker 3: And I think if I had ears, maybe they'd be

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Speaker 3: lovely ear floppy ears. I don't know, but I don't

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Speaker 3: have a reaction because I know it's not true. Is

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Speaker 3: relook at yourself and re embrace the nature of who

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Speaker 3: you are, your values, your decency, know it and with

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Speaker 3: no apologies, so that when those names get yelled at you.

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Speaker 3: Boy I get it all the time on the TV,

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Speaker 3: it does not move you into a reactive emotional state.

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Speaker 3: That's one example, but I think that that's how to

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Speaker 3: do it. And the moment. I tell one personal story

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Speaker 3: which you'll get the book to read about, about a

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Speaker 3: stalker I had that it was a stranger's intervention in

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Speaker 3: a moment during a prop a crisis that broke the spell.

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Speaker 3: And that's what I call it. It's a spell under

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Speaker 3: it breaks the spell. It is a very weak state

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Speaker 3: of mind, interestingly, which is why the less always has

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Speaker 3: to keep reinforcing it. So all of this history, the

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Speaker 3: philosophy of it, how it works, and what we can

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Speaker 3: do about it is in the book. I'm very proud

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Speaker 3: of it. I have to say. I think it's a

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Speaker 3: culmination of what I've experienced, and I really hope it

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Speaker 3: helps people. You can get it wherever books are sold Amazon.

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Speaker 3: It's also on the kindle. There's the audiobook of which

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Speaker 3: I've read because I'm talking and I can't shut up.

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Speaker 3: And local bookstores wherever you get your books, you can

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Speaker 3: get it.

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Speaker 2: Wonderful. Oh, I suggest everybody get it. I think we

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Speaker 2: need to start thinking that way.

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Speaker 1: I love what you just said about the cocker spaniel

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Speaker 1: because when you run for hours, you certainly feel like

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Speaker 1: how do you even respond?

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Speaker 2: And that's perfect. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for all of your insight today, Jamie Bruce.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you great being with you.

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Speaker 1: So wonderful, and thank you all for joining us on

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Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others, go

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts and join us next time

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Speaker 2: Have a blessed day,