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Speaker 2: For me, I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 3: I've heard so many players say, well I want to

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Speaker 3: be happy. You want to be happy for a day?

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Speaker 2: And Dan and Tye welcome back to the Cliverbal boys

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Speaker 2: and girls. My name is ty Hildebrand, that fine gentleman

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Speaker 2: over there in the heart of the Midwest. Dan Rubinstein, Sir,

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Speaker 2: how goes it good?

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Speaker 3: I hope I'm still your favorite Dan after today, old

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Speaker 3: favorite podcasting Dan. Look, I'm I've been putting in my

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Speaker 3: work for going on fourteen years. But depending on how

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Speaker 3: today goes, I don't know, your loyalties may lie elsewhere.

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Speaker 2: I hate to tell you you've never been my favorite podcasting Dan.

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Speaker 2: It's always been our guest of honor today. That's a

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Speaker 2: fair always been our guest of honor today. Thank you one,

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Speaker 2: go if you are interested in any of that. But Daniel, yes, we.

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Speaker 3: Have breaking news, do we.

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Speaker 2: Though sort of maybe kind of yes, well, yes and no.

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Speaker 2: The big breaking news is that our guest of honor

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Speaker 2: today is Dan Carlin. That's huge breaking news.

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Speaker 1: Correct.

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Speaker 2: Yes, from hardcore history. He was tweeting about college football

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Speaker 2: like two weeks ago. All of ourverbawlers tweeted us and

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Speaker 2: sent us emails, Bring Dan on, Bring Dan on. We're

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Speaker 2: bringing Dan on. It's the crossover episode I have wanted

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Speaker 2: to do since I got into this business, way back

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Speaker 2: when he goes, way back in this business. Yes, since

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Speaker 2: like two thousand and five. He's been podcasting. He's one

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Speaker 2: And we found out recently that he's a big college

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Speaker 3: Ridiculous. I had no idea I knew. I think I

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Speaker 3: to happen on the Solid Verbal with Dan Carlin. I'm

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Speaker 3: a big hardcore history guy. It's it's a terrific show,

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Speaker 3: and I just love that his ethos is I'm putting

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Speaker 2: Me, including me, Yeah, including me. Dan Carlin has some

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as do we all in some way. Unless you're

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Speaker 2: Big twelve commissioner Brett yor Mark, what a week he's had? Right,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's And look, I think the PAC twelve has

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Speaker 2: Well, the PAC twelve wants to start negotiations immediately, yes,

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Speaker 3: This is the move, everybody, This is what this sport needs.

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Speaker 2: Yay, it's terrible.

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Speaker 3: It's so bad. And all of these stories that come

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Speaker 3: Joel Okay. And it's just exhausting. It is just exhausting,

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Speaker 3: And I just want to talk about football.

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Speaker 2: Well, you will get your wish in about a month

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Speaker 1: I'm great, glad to be here, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I hope I don't come off as either ignorant,

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Speaker 1: ten again, Dan, Yeah, for now right, nothing is in

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Speaker 1: Know, it's funny because I think people like yours truly

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Speaker 1: way that they play you know, the NFL or or

435
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Speaker 1: NBA basketball. I want to play Nebraska, right I I

436
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Speaker 1: the things, the things that that I care about. Let's

437
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Speaker 1: put this way. I'm a huge college football fan. But

438
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Speaker 1: I don't watch Alabama, right I don't. I don't watch

439
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Speaker 1: I don't watch Michigan. I don't watch Notre Dame. I

440
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Speaker 1: watch USC, I watch Oregon, I watch Colorado. When we

441
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Speaker 1: were in the in the Big twelve, I watched Texas,

442
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Speaker 1: I watched Oklahoma. There's a regionalism to this that they

443
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Speaker 1: don't get. They think, you know, we're going to get

444
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Speaker 1: the Georgia, Florida, you know, the biggest outdoor cocktail party thing,

445
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Speaker 1: and everybody's gonna want to watch. I would pick Colorado

446
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 1: Nebraska ten times out of ten because that's my interest.

447
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Speaker 1: And that's the part that they're killing without realizing that

448
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 1: they're killing it. And here's the thing. When you go

449
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Speaker 1: to any of these small schools, I mean, if you're

450
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Speaker 1: somebody who went to it's not a small school, but

451
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Speaker 1: I mean Boise State, you want to watch Boise State

452
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Speaker 1: or you want to watch BYU play Utah. The TV

453
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Speaker 1: networks don't care that much about that, but I guarantee

454
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Speaker 1: you the people in a place like Utah are absolutely

455
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Speaker 1: fanatics about that game. So this is why college football

456
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Speaker 1: doesn't fit so well into the template that these television

457
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Speaker 1: networks are so used to dealing with. And that's why

458
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Speaker 1: they're going to hurt the sport while treating it the

459
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Speaker 1: way that they know. It's like a mad Libs game,

460
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Speaker 1: and they're treating it the way they treat all these

461
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Speaker 1: other sports, and it doesn't fit that mad libs template

462
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Speaker 1: that they're using.

463
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Speaker 2: Dan, the tweet that set our listeners off was one

464
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Speaker 2: of yours back on I think it was July the

465
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Speaker 2: second where you compared college football disintegrating before our very

466
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Speaker 2: eyes like victims of Thanos. I'm wondering if you've got

467
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Speaker 2: a historical comp for where you feel like college football

468
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Speaker 2: is headed, how it's being run, you know, how the

469
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Speaker 2: playoff is set up, how you see this going. Because

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Speaker 2: you are a student of history.

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Speaker 1: Oh sure, and I can think of a college camp

472
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Speaker 1: and a pro comp. The college comp is college basketball.

473
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Speaker 1: There's no way to explain to a young person now

474
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Speaker 1: the difference between college basketball now and college basketball in

475
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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty because you know, and you can see I

476
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Speaker 1: mean the fact that you don't have. I mean, I

477
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Speaker 1: was listening to a sports talk show host talk about

478
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Speaker 1: the difference in the sport by having people come and

479
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Speaker 1: do like a one and done, as opposed to the

480
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: era where a team like Duke or North Carolina could

481
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Speaker 1: have an entire team laden with senior talent who'd spent

482
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Speaker 1: four years in the program and development. You're never going

483
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Speaker 1: to see that again because of the changes in the sport.

484
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 1: And then the pro comp would be baseball. You look

485
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Speaker 1: at baseball in nineteen seventy four and it is the

486
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Speaker 1: biggest sport in America. And again it is hard to

487
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Speaker 1: tell young people today how big it was. The World Series,

488
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 1: which is, you know, could could play out to seven games.

489
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Speaker 1: The country stopped, the country stopped. You can't even imagine

490
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Speaker 1: that today. But of course, in nineteen seventy four, we

491
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Speaker 1: had had yet to see free agency play out the

492
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Speaker 1: way it did. And I mean, here's the comp I

493
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: used to be able to tell you in nineteen seventy four.

494
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Speaker 1: I'm fifty six years old. Nineteen seventy four, I could

495
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Speaker 1: name for you the starting lineups of every single team

496
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Speaker 1: in Major League Baseball off the top of my head,

497
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Speaker 1: because they didn't change that much. I mean, the LA

498
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: Dodgers had the same starting lineup for a decade. Right

499
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Speaker 1: the minute you get free agency into that that changes

500
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Speaker 1: every year. And what happens is you lose the connection

501
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Speaker 1: between these players who were like family members. I remember

502
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Speaker 1: listening to Art donav And from the Baltimore Cults talk

503
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: about what it was like to be a Baltimore cult

504
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 1: in the community back then in the fifties and early sixties,

505
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: and he says, you remember the community, they knew you,

506
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: they knew your family. That I mean, and there's there's

507
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: a you know. That's what's funny too, because that was

508
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Speaker 1: when you could treat the NFL a little like we

509
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: treat college in the sense that you had this connection

510
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: that Now people come, people go, it's a it's a

511
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 1: free agency thing. There, they're mercenaries. And look, this is

512
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: the problem too, because I happen to be one of

513
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: those people that feel like a lot of these decisions

514
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: that have been made to increase the player's ability to

515
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 1: get better contracts, and I mean, I think all that

516
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: is probably much more fair and much more just but

517
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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean it's the best thing for the sport overall.

518
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Speaker 1: Does that make sense.

519
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Speaker 2: One of the other questions that I had jotted down

520
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: here was this college football need a czarre? What fixes

521
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 2: this problem?

522
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: Is?

523
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Speaker 2: Is there a fix for this problem? Is there anybody

524
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 2: that could fix this thing given the way it's set up?

525
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean I tried to think about that a

526
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Speaker 1: little bit before coming on here, because I'm one of

527
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Speaker 1: these people that thinks you should try to, even if

528
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 1: they're stupid, offer some solutions that at least open the

529
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Speaker 1: door to some possibilities. And you know, obviously, like I

530
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Speaker 1: said at the beginning, I hope I don't come off

531
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Speaker 1: as an ignorant fool with some of this stuff. But

532
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: part of where I see the problem is not the

533
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Speaker 1: idea of players getting paid. I mean, I always thought

534
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: not having stipends was a joke, but maybe the way

535
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Speaker 1: that it's being done, and maybe this place to your

536
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: point about not having any kind of oversight that could

537
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Speaker 1: try to balance out the interest of the sport and

538
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Speaker 1: the interest of the players in the sport. But I mean,

539
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Speaker 1: for example, imagine that instead of having this being done

540
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Speaker 1: on a school by school basis, where nil and paying

541
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Speaker 1: your players is something that one school can offer as

542
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Speaker 1: a competitive advantage to get a player over another school.

543
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: What if you just you know, had a pool that

544
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Speaker 1: was the pool for the entire sport and every player

545
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: in Division one got the same percentage, right, so everybody

546
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: gets twenty five grand or whatever it is, so that

547
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Speaker 1: instead of being able to say, hey, we're Michigan and

548
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: we'll pay you as a quarterback more than Alabama will

549
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Speaker 1: pay you. You're going to get paid. You're gonna get money,

550
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: but it's not going to be a competitive advantage whether

551
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: you go to Michigan oil Man. I mean, in other words,

552
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: we have a system here where that's not going to

553
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: be something where the schools with the most money the

554
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: most fan interest. Then I mean, let me give you

555
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: and this is not to change the subject, but it's

556
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 1: to show you the position of the school like Colorado's

557
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: in right now. Right we have a situation where obviously

558
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: it's hard for us now to get fantastic players because

559
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: we're not going to be able to pay them or

560
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 1: create systems where they're compensated the same way. But you know,

561
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: you still hope you say, okay, well, maybe we'll get

562
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: lucky you, we'll find a diamond and the rough we'll

563
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: coach them up. But that's not what's going to happen

564
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 1: because every time that happens. Now, as soon as a

565
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: player gets coached up to the point where other people

566
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: might want them, other people take them. So you've become

567
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Pirates, right, Yeah, you're a farm league for

568
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: the best. So in other words, so this is what

569
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: I meant about it killing the sport because that kills

570
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: your incentive, because it kills your hope, you have no

571
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Speaker 1: reason to care. You know, you don't even want players

572
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: to get very good because if they get very good,

573
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: you'll lose them. So I mean, this is what I

574
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: mean about killing the Golden goose while trying to make

575
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: this the NFL. And look at this point, I think

576
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: the sport would be better off if those schools that

577
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: want to be you know, I'm not sure what the

578
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: right word is, I don't want to be. But I

579
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: mean some of these places are so institutional minded as

580
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Speaker 1: an academic institution that there is only so far they

581
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: will go. And there are other schools that will go

582
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Speaker 1: as far as you have to go to compete. I

583
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Speaker 1: wouldn't have a problem separating those two into two different leagues.

584
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Speaker 1: The problem that I think that the networks are going

585
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: to find is that when you've got schools like Oregon

586
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: facing Oregon State getting the kind of attention in a

587
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: state like ours, that that gets that the networks are

588
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: going to go. Now, wait a minute, why aren't more

589
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Speaker 1: people watching, you know, Alabama, Michigan where all these little

590
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: local regional rivalries are still getting a lot of eyes

591
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Speaker 1: Cause you know, it's a little like minor league baseball.

592
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: Nobody cares about minor league baseball on it in a

593
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: national sense, But you go to these communities that have

594
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Speaker 1: strong minor league programs and the locals love going to

595
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: the games, and they're popular. So I mean, I think

596
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Speaker 1: I think what we're talking here is is is you're

597
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: going to see a a disconnect between between what we

598
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: used to call the small schools with a large football

599
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: program attached to them and schools that are just not

600
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: gonna go that far. And Colorado is one of those.

601
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's gonna be a point where they just go, listen,

602
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: this is too much money, too much effort, too much time,

603
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: too much trouble for the payoffs. And I think a

604
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: lot of schools are gonna feel that way.

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Speaker 3: Was there and you mentioned the inevitability of it all

606
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 3: when you were looking at the sport a few years ago,

607
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 3: that it's just there's too much money on the line,

608
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 3: and we see the direction things they are heading with realignment.

609
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Speaker 3: Is there something about human nature that, you know, a

610
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 3: set of regional conferences or tribes or whatever, because it

611
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 3: is a tribal sport that if you look back in

612
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 3: the annals of history or whatever, we don't have to

613
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 3: look at, you know, going back to you know, the

614
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 3: show gun, we don't have to do that. But is

615
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 3: there a human nature element to this where as soon

616
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Speaker 3: as resources become higher, and as soon as they're there

617
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,479
Speaker 3: are just too many dollars on the table, people are

618
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 3: not going to be with enough. There is that sort

619
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Speaker 3: of more quality too. We could be getting more, we

620
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 3: could be making more, we could be growing bigger, we

621
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 3: could be destroying our rivals, and people are not happy

622
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Speaker 3: with the status quo. Even even if everybody's happy, nobody's happy.

623
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Speaker 3: Is there like a human nature element to the way

624
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Speaker 3: that this sport is heading.

625
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: Well, sure, but it's not an individual human nature element.

626
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: It's a collective human nature element, right, it's lots of

627
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: people all at once. So for example, let's say you

628
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Speaker 1: said we're gonna have you know, my stepfather went to USC,

629
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Speaker 1: and there's a certain I hope the USC fans won't

630
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: hate me here, but there's a certain arrogance with USC.

631
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Speaker 1: And he used to say, you know, we should just

632
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: have a super league withere, just the best teams play

633
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: each other, you know. And but here's the problem. Let's

634
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: just say you take Ohio State and you say we're

635
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: gonna put them in a super league with Alabama and

636
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: some other schools, right, and and but you don't get

637
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: to play Michigan anymore, and you don't, you know, in

638
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: other words, you take away the Colorado Nebraska rivalry in

639
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,719
Speaker 1: the in the Michigan Ohio State sense. I think that

640
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: people then would say, well, wait a minute. I love

641
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: the idea of being in this league where we're playing

642
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: the best and we get a national championship, but there's

643
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: nothing that compares to how we feel when we play Michigan.

644
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 1: And that's the part that's different. I think when you

645
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: take an ESPN or a Fox Sports, they look at

646
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: this like the pros, like, wouldn't it be great to

647
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: have the best teams play each other for a TV sets,

648
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: but they don't understand that that's only part of it. Yes,

649
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: you'd love to be in there playing the best teams,

650
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: but at the same time, in this sport, the hatred

651
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: and the adrenaline rush that you get when you're playing

652
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: historic rivals. And I mean, let me give you an example.

653
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: We left the Big Twelve. Colorad left the Big Twelve.

654
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: I think it was like twenty eleven, right, so Colorado

655
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: Nebraska stopped playing each other, and then the rivalry we

656
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: had some non conference set up the last couple of years,

657
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: not last year, but a few years before that, a

658
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: home and away game with Nebraska, and all of a sudden,

659
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: I hadn't felt and I'm not the only one. A

660
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: lot of Colorado fans and some Nebraska fans too felt

661
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: the same way. I hadn't felt that way since we

662
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: left the Big Twelve, because you know, we're supposed to

663
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: be Utah's rivalry. I like Utah, right, I respect Utah.

664
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: I like the way they played football. I don't hate Utah,

665
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: but Nebraska I hadn't felt that way since we left

666
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve. And I remember after the second game,

667
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: I was so jacked. I just thought, now, this is

668
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,719
Speaker 1: what's been missing, right, and this is what they don't understand. Now,

669
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. The networks will sell those there's

670
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: a historic rivalry, you know, as part of their promotions,

671
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: but they don't act like that when they're making the

672
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: financial decisions. They act like they want that super league

673
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: that my stepfather wanted, without understanding that there is no

674
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: real demand for NFL light. And in fact, here's how

675
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: you know this if you started and I think there

676
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: is one. So this is my ignorance showing, so I apologize.

677
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: But if you had a minor league NFL system the

678
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: way you have a minor league baseball system, but you

679
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: kept college football, also, nobody's gonna watch the minor league system,

680
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: even if the minor league system has all the best players,

681
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: because college football is not about all the best players.

682
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: It's about Colorado, Nebraska, It's about you know, Notre Dame, Michigan.

683
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: It's about those kinds, right, Florida, Georgia. I mean it's

684
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: a different you know, all burn Alabama. The tradition is

685
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: what's different. And if you kill the tradition, you don't

686
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: understand how much of a support pillar that is in

687
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: the whole sport. You're going to bring down the whole roof.

688
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 3: You mentioned how weird it was that Colorado shared a

689
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 3: national championship and they fake Georgia Tech by the way,

690
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 3: Georgia Tech they whoever they is. Different groups of people

691
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 3: have attempted to fix that. Right now, we have the

692
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 3: college football payoff, it's at four teams. Before that, of

693
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 3: course the BCS. Do you watch postseason football that does

694
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 3: not involve Colorado or West Coast teams out of share

695
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 3: curiosity because of your one time desire to name a

696
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 3: one true champion.

697
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: Nope, Nope, don't watch it at all. Don't have any

698
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: care at all for SEC football, don't care about Big

699
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: ten football. And yeah, and yet I'm a rabid fan.

700
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: So how weird is that that you Because if you're

701
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: an NFL fan, you you care about because all the

702
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: teams are part of the same thing. Right as far

703
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: as I'm concerned, Alabama's not in our conference, They're not

704
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: in our league, They're in a different league completely. I

705
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: don't care about them at all.

706
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 3: I'm on that same page. I watch it because this

707
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 3: is my job to watch it, and I love college football.

708
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 3: But I've long said, the point of college football is

709
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 3: basically late August through early December, late November, and I

710
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 3: think people are coming around to that more. I mean,

711
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 3: I don't care about TV ratings. I think they're sort

712
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 3: of not a true indicator. But I think more and

713
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 3: more people are trying to get more locked in on

714
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 3: the season of football itself, what their teams are doing,

715
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 3: what the conference is doing. And I think you're right.

716
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 3: I think there is something and maybe you can speak

717
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 3: to this further. But what about the TV networks not

718
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 3: understanding or trying to push this into sort of a

719
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 3: you know, the circle college football into a square peg?

720
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 3: What is it about the TV experience? And do you

721
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 3: even like the TV experience of college football in twenty

722
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 3: twenty two?

723
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 1: Oh? I think listen. You know, some sports are live

724
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: sports in terms of uh, you can't compare to seeing

725
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: them live. Others are really TV sports. Boxing is a

726
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: TV sport. I've been to boxing matches and you can't

727
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: see anything right, But on TV it's it's it's a

728
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: whole different thing. Football is a TV sport for me.

729
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: I want to see replays. I want to see you know,

730
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: when you go to the game, you can't see any

731
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: of what's going on with the ball and you know,

732
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: in someone's hand me so so the TV experience is

733
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: very important. But I think when you look at how

734
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: how I mean, for example, if you're an Alabama fan,

735
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: are you watching the Apple Cup? Are you are you

736
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: dying to watch the Apple Cup with Washington and Washington

737
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: State or the Civil War with Oregon and Oregon State. Uh?

738
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: You watch what you care about. And I think this

739
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: is this is what the networks don't understand either, is

740
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: that we're not in this to watch the best football

741
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: available or we will watch the NFL. We we have

742
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: certain interests and those interests are not national. This is

743
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 1: a you know, and you mentioned it yourself, like this

744
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: is maybe why the regular season itself is becoming more

745
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: important because by the time you get to the to

746
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: the point where we're in talking about playoff stuff, we're

747
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: down to a few teams and it's usually the same

748
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: few teams, or you know, maybe you have an interloper.

749
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: But the point is is that if you're a regional

750
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: person by that point your team's not in it, you

751
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: don't care. I mean, look, I know that there are

752
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: especially people with betting interests who love all these big

753
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: teams that are going. But for most people that I

754
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: talk to, they care about their conference, they care about

755
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: their school. And don't get me wrong, I mean you

756
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: love playing those teams as part of your non conference schedule.

757
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: When Alabama plays Colorado, I'm gonna watch right, and I'm

758
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: gonna be really into it. But that doesn't happen very often.

759
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: So normally, you know, as far as I'm concerned, it

760
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: might as well be a different league. And so, yes,

761
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: it is a television sport. But the people that are

762
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: putting this on and paying the money to buy the

763
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: rights to this, they have very different interests than those

764
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: of us who are college football fans, right, and their

765
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: interests are not to promote, you know, North Texas and

766
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: their fans. Their interests are to get the top schools

767
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: together that are in certain cities that have large viewing audiences.

768
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: Lock those up. And let's remember something else. It's not

769
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: even so much about that. You forget that there're stock

770
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: involved here, That these are companies that are that are

771
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: publicly traded often and that to be able to say

772
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: we've got the next five years locked up in the

773
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: in the SEC is something that will raise your stock

774
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 1: price and I mean, this is a whole thing where

775
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: what the fans of this sport want or what the

776
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: health of the sport demands is it's not even on

777
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: their radar, right because they don't get incentivized to care

778
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: about that. And I understand that, but it means that

779
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: you and I we have no say in this at all.

780
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: There's no NCAA anymore that looks out for the sport

781
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: as a whole, and they were falling apart for at

782
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: least a decade before all this happened. So we're really

783
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: in the wild West right now. And what's gonna happen

784
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: is that there's gonna be schools that will say, as

785
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: there always have been, we will do whatever it takes,

786
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: and that's going to leave a lot of other schools

787
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 1: behind when whatever it takes is so crazy. You can't

788
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: even pretend that you've got an educational mission anymore with

789
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 1: a lot of these schools. I mean, remember, the money

790
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: doesn't go back into back into the English department, right

791
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: or the history department. So it's not that you could say, hey,

792
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 1: a great football program means that all of our students

793
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: in the non sports things are going to do better.

794
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: It does now You may say, as they do, that

795
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: sports is the front porch of these universities and it's

796
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: a wonderful selling tool and all that, but that's that's

797
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: becoming a really hard thing to claim now when all

798
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: of these schools are have more students than they have

799
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: spots already in those kind of things. So I have

800
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: a kid in college in college right now, and I

801
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: can just tell you it has never been harder to

802
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: get into colleges. It has never been more of a

803
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there are schools that we used

804
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: to we used to tease people for or you went there.

805
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: Nowadays going anywhere is a bit of a coup. So

806
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: I don't think schools need that sports front porch thing

807
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: as a way to promote going to the school because

808
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of I don't think they're

809
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: hurting for students. Maybe that's a good way to put it.

810
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 3: What does the decline of the sport realistically look like

811
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 3: to you? It's obviously not going to just close up

812
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 3: and there are going to be no more games and

813
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 3: no more teams and no more programs. But if we're

814
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 3: pointing to this event or this series of events with

815
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: conference realignment as the de facto death of the sport

816
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 3: or the de facto death of the sport as we

817
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 3: know it, if that is indeed the case in the

818
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 3: next ten or fifteen years, If this is the beginning

819
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 3: of the precipitous decline. Is it programs folding up because

820
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 3: they don't want to spend the money and spend the

821
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 3: time to compete with the best of the best financially

822
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 3: and on the field. Is it a TV ratings thing?

823
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 3: Is it an attendance thing. Is it a donation to

824
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 3: the program and school thing? What is the indicator? What

825
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 3: is the metric by which you could see the sport

826
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 3: dramatically declining?

827
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: In some ways, it looks like baseball to me, like

828
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, because here's the thing. If you went

829
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: to a television executive and you said, baseball is not

830
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: what it used to be, They're going to say to you,

831
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: what are you talking about. The players make more than

832
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: they've ever made. They're bringing in more money than ever.

833
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: You know, the sport's very healthy. But you would say,

834
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: but yeah, but nobody. Life doesn't stop anymore. For the

835
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: World Series it is. It is nowhere near what it

836
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 1: was to the country as a whole. The sport doesn't

837
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: mean what it used to mean. They're working on a

838
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: different metric, right, they don't care about that. That's not

839
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: what matters to them. So when you say, what's going

840
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: to happen to these programs where I can tell you

841
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: that there are a lot of schools, Colorado's probably one

842
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: of them actually where the educational side of the school

843
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: has a little bit of resentment for the sports side

844
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 1: of the school. And that, believe it or not, depends

845
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: on where you go, I guess, but that has a

846
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: huge impact on support and how far schools are willing

847
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: to go. I do think that there's going to come

848
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: a time when when a lot of schools are going

849
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: to say, look, we're not going to play that game

850
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: because we can't. So we're going to play against a

851
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: bunch of schools who also have decided that they can't

852
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: play that. I mean, it's almost like instead of dropping

853
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: down to like what we used to call Division two,

854
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: maybe what it means is that you're going to have

855
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: a super league let my stepfather always wanted, and then

856
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: you can get back to where the other schools can

857
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: play each other and try to keep some remnant of

858
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: what we used to like about this, and that's when

859
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: I think that you're going to see how interesting and

860
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: how unusual college sports are compared to pro sports, when

861
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: when those things are actually more successful in a fan

862
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: interest sense, they may not pull in the same dollars,

863
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: they may not pull in the same ratings. And part

864
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: of that problem too is remember when we're talking about

865
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: a regional sport where you know, Dan and I care

866
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: about the West coast, right, But the networks want games

867
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: that have national appeal. But this is not a national

868
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: appeal sport the way it's built from the ground up, right,

869
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: So maybe that's the dichotomy I should have brought up

870
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: right at the very beginning. It is a sport with

871
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: strong regional ties that is being run or or that

872
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: is being driven by entities that want strong national appeal.

873
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 1: So maybe that's the disconnect there well.

874
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 2: And it's also a vicious cycle because more money from

875
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: the networks means that programs have more money to spend,

876
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: presumably on coaches. That's how you end up with Lincoln

877
00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 2: Riley at USC.

878
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: Right, resistant coaches which are not enough people pay attention to.

879
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 2: Yep, right, I mean the money fuels the whole thing.

880
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 2: It just sort of elevates it to an extent, where

881
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: as you described, it makes it really difficult for programs

882
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 2: that are on a little bit of a tighter budget.

883
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: We can use Colorado as an example. You hope they

884
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: don't turn into the Pittsburgh Pirates because that wouldn't be fun.

885
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 2: But it is one of the comments that we've gotten

886
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 2: pretty frequently, Dan, people who are concerned, who maybe don't

887
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 2: root for Alabama or Ohio State or Notre Dame, but

888
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: you know, Pit fans, NC State fans, these are programs

889
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 2: that have done really well and fans are rightfully concerned

890
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 2: that something could happen here that could change the game

891
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 2: for him.

892
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: But you bring up a great point because this is

893
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: not about a few schools dropping out that can't compete.

894
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 1: This is about almost everybody dropping out who can't compete

895
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: except for twenty four thirty schools or something. I mean,

896
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: this is everybody. And so that's what makes this so

897
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: different because if it was just my school or your school,

898
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: that wasn't going to be able to play, you know,

899
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: against the big boys. Okay, well what but this is

900
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: everybody's school except for a few. And look, let's let's

901
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: be honest about some other things too. There were some

902
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: states here that followed this stuff rapidly. I remember Colorado

903
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: played one of those early season games years ago that

904
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: they used to have. I think it was it was

905
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: either the Pig Skin Classic or the Kickoff Classic. I

906
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: want to say it was nineteen ninety I think it was.

907
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: It was the National championship year and we played Tennessee

908
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: at Anaheim Stadium, I think it was. And look, this

909
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: is nearer to Colorado in California than Tennessee. But when

910
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: you looked in the stands, there were a few Colorado

911
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,479
Speaker 1: people and a sea of orange. Right. What it really

912
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: showed you was this is a level of support because

913
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: this you know, these are not all Tennessee graduates. This

914
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: is this is the state that just adored their to Alabama. Similar.

915
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't get that in Colorado. Colorado is

916
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: a is a Denver Broncos state, right, and the university

917
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: is sort of a little bit of an afterthought. Oregon's

918
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: different because we don't have a pro football team here.

919
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: But I guess what I'm saying is is that is

920
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: that some of these states can support these teams at

921
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: a level and would and would be outraged if the

922
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: University of Alabama academic department complained about how much of

923
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: the resources of the school we're going to the sports programs.

924
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: It's the exact opposite at most of these schools that

925
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: are that are working on much much tighter margins and

926
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: that don't have that level of support. So I mean,

927
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: in my mind, that's almost your new Division one and

928
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: Division two separation, right, I mean, look a look at

929
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: look at Notre Dame. Imagine if they decided that what

930
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: they have to put in the football program is hurting

931
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: academics too much, and they're going to focus on academics

932
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: and downgrade the football program for example, how do you

933
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: think the alumni are going to feel about that.

934
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you about Notre Dame because you're

935
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: a guy who has a good sense of history. Obviously,

936
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 2: I'm curious if you are doing hardcore college football. Let's say,

937
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 2: I don't know, twenty years from now, throw a number

938
00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 2: on it is is Notre Dame a protagonist or an

939
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: antagonist in your story twenty years down the line, given

940
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: presumably all the leverage they hold for the future of

941
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 2: college football.

942
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know. I think you know it's to me,

943
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: it's interesting. Notre Dame is one of the few national brands, right, So,

944
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: I mean we had talked about this weird dichotomy between

945
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 1: something that is a localized or regional sport at its core,

946
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: but this this trend towards networks wanting a national brand,

947
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: Well that's the national brand, right. I don't know. I

948
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: think if I'm Notre Dame, I stay the way I

949
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: am because of the leverage that you have. But but

950
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 1: you know, you'd almost as a non Notre Dame fan,

951
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: you'd almost like to see him pick a conference and

952
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: be done with it, right, just so that this isn't

953
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: hanging over our heads anymore. But I do think they're

954
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: in a unique place, and I think if you're a

955
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: Notre Dame fan, the flexibility that that gives you as

956
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: this unique brand is really important. But let's say Notre

957
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: Dame had and I can't even imagine this happening, but

958
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: let's say they had ten bad seasons in a row.

959
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: You know, if you're in a conference like the Big

960
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: or the ACC, you're still getting your percentage that you

961
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: share with the other schools. But if you are a

962
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: brand that makes money off individual agreements with a network

963
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: based on your brand, and your brand has ten losing

964
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 1: seasons in a row. Well, listen, you can still pull

965
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: the new Rockneye, you know, traditional thing if you want to,

966
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: and you're still a national brand because there's a lot

967
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: of people out there who love Notre Dame. But I mean,

968
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: if you go you know, if you go oh To

969
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: ten or OHN thirteen for several seasons in a row,

970
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: does that mean your next contract negotiations that come up

971
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: with the TV network, you're not going to get as

972
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: much money as last time. So I mean, I don't know.

973
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: I like, like I said, as a non Notre Dame fan,

974
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: we're just tired of it. It'd be nice if they'd

975
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 1: pick a conference and be done with it. But otherwise

976
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: I don't care because I don't think. For example, Notre

977
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: Dame isn't responsible for the various dominoes that have been tumbling.

978
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: They're not responsible for Texas and Oklahoma leaving the Big Twelve.

979
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: I mean, probably not responsible for USC and UCLA leaving.

980
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: Although it's how interesting is it, guys that that UCLA

981
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: apparently and allegedly did not even ask the Board of

982
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: Regions for the University of California. Did you tell them

983
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: they were even thinking about loops. Yeah, that you know,

984
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: it would be very interesting if they said to use UCLA.

985
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,479
Speaker 1: You think you have the right to leave, but you don't,

986
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: and we're canceling it. They can't say anything to SC

987
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: But can you imagine if it's just USC going into

988
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: the big and then it's one school on the West coast.

989
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: That's it's gonna be very interesting. I kind of hope

990
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: they do, just for the chaos it would cause.

991
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 3: Or if the regions say, okay, but pay CAL twenty

992
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 3: million dollars a year as a forfeit.

993
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: Sure, as a.

994
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: Tax you have to take COL right, you can't write

995
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: without CAL.

996
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 3: It's probably not gonna happen in that way, but I

997
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 3: can fantasize. I think it would be wonderful just to

998
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 3: throw an ugly wrench into this. Okay, so if you're

999
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 3: online and you are reading, and you are consuming, and

1000
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 3: this is what we do, and so we have our

1001
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 3: own answer. But other than the people standing to make

1002
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 3: the money the most money, do you get the sense

1003
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 3: that people like this? And people's obviously a very difficult term,

1004
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 3: but do you do you feel a sense of enthusiasm

1005
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 3: from non West Coast people, from Midwest people, Southern people,

1006
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 3: from writers, like a lot of people are are very

1007
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 3: happy to explain why this is happening, that the money

1008
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 3: is too good, that you know, the opportunities are too

1009
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 3: vast for you know, TV networks and you know athletic

1010
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 3: directors and presidents. But do you get a sense of

1011
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 3: enthusiasm from from fans, from you know, sort of the

1012
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 3: people invested in the sport on an emotional level.

1013
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: No, I don't think anybody is really excited about it.

1014
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: And I asked my brothers, who both went to USC

1015
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: after the the news broke, and of course, like everybody,

1016
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: I mean, they were stunned. I mean USC has been

1017
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 1: in I mean, this is a conference where the original

1018
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: members have been around for so long. You can't do

1019
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: I mean it's like more than one hundred years, right,

1020
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: And I said, And the next day I talked to

1021
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: one of my brothers and he said, well, it's we

1022
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: didn't have a choice, he said, when you look at

1023
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: where the money he's going, I mean he's literally they

1024
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: were their hands were forced. And I think that's how

1025
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 1: a lot of people feel. It's a game of musical chairs.

1026
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: Everyone's afraid that when the music stops they're not going

1027
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 1: to have a place to sit. That's a very different

1028
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: motivation than heck, yes, we're so excited that this is

1029
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: finally have I think a lot of people feel like

1030
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: this is killing what they love about the sport. But

1031
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: at the same time, we all want to hold on

1032
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: to some of what we love and we feel like

1033
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: if you don't end up in a conference that's going

1034
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: to have enough money to make you competitive, that all

1035
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know you're going to care even

1036
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: less about your team because nobody else cares about your team.

1037
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: It's I think people just feel it's almost like a

1038
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: pressure to stay alive, rather than this real excitement of

1039
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: better competition, more money, a better chance at a national championship,

1040
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: because how many people went to schools or root for

1041
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: schools that have a decent chance at being part of

1042
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: the national championship discussion anyway, It's one of the things

1043
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: I love about college football is that there's so many

1044
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: teams that we have so much many different kind of

1045
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: weird offenses that people try, and so I mean, there's

1046
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: so much fun in the sport that you don't get

1047
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: in a more homogenized league that has less teams and

1048
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: more standardization, and I feel like, once again that's something

1049
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 1: that networks don't understand either, that the diversity. I mean,

1050
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: I love that Air Force runs, you know, their version

1051
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: of the option. Right when I was a kid, the

1052
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: University of Oregon when I was looking at it from

1053
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: southern California, ran what we thought was like a gimmicky offense.

1054
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 1: It was a pro style offense, but that was gimmicky

1055
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: at the time. But you love that because there's a

1056
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: diversity in the sport. That's that just makes it fun

1057
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: to watch. If you're into the x's and o's, like

1058
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 1: a lot of us are. I feel like all of

1059
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: that's going by the wayside, and a certain point, it's

1060
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: going to get to the place where I just want

1061
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: those big schools to leave and just say, you know what,

1062
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: you guys have a very different priority than the rest

1063
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: of us. How about you create the super League and

1064
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: then let the rest of us have a really good

1065
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: time playing Oregon Oregon State. You know that having some

1066
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: acc schools and traditional rival I mean, where's a school

1067
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: like Boston College or any of these schools in the

1068
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: in the Northeast fit in any of this? Right? I

1069
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: just feel and you know, especially when these networks are

1070
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 1: so concerned with TV markets. I mean New York City,

1071
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: that's not a college football. I mean, I just feel

1072
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: like this is all It's very similar to what's happened

1073
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: with the stock market, where once upon a time you

1074
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: used to buy a really good blue chip stock and

1075
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 1: sit on it for years, and that was the way

1076
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: you went. Now it's just we churn it at the

1077
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: next quarter, and everything is very short term oriented because

1078
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: that's what you're incentivized to do. You're not going to

1079
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: say to somebody who's in a position right now at

1080
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: one of the big schools and just say, listen, what

1081
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: we really care about is the health of this whole

1082
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 1: thing fifteen, twenty, twenty five years from now. That person's

1083
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: not incentivized to think like that. Their job is to

1084
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: make sure that while they're in that job they do well.

1085
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: I mean, this brings us to maybe we could talk

1086
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: about although I don't want to slam any individuals personally,

1087
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: but it is a wonderful object lesson about how important

1088
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: management at the top is. Look at what happened to

1089
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve before and after A guy like Larry Scott, right,

1090
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: I mean literally literally he took over a conference that

1091
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: was doing great and left it on death's store. Now, look,

1092
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: he's not the only person responsible. There were people that

1093
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: let him stay in his job. Right. He walked away

1094
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: with a lot of money, but he destroyed the conference

1095
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: and destroyed a more than one hundred year old conference

1096
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: and got away with it with the support of a

1097
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: bunch of athletic directors, most of whom are not even

1098
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: there anymore. That's a wonderful lesson right there, that who

1099
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: you have calling the shots can make or break you.

1100
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 3: It's true, It's absolutely true. I wonder because college football

1101
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 3: doesn't just affect fandom publicly, but it affects fans online anonymously.

1102
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 3: And if you go on message boards, you can see

1103
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 3: the sort of brain rot that people have from recruiting

1104
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 3: from college football, fandom, from coaches, from coaching buyouts, from

1105
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 3: whatever is happening in the sport. And I say that

1106
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 3: lovingly because these are our listeners and we are some

1107
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 3: of those people as well. How do you consume the sport?

1108
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 3: Are you a paying message board member somewhere? What do

1109
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 3: you read? What do you listen to?

1110
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: Oh? Boy, I'm it depends like if it's June there's

1111
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: not much going on in my mind. But then all

1112
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, as the season approaches, or

1113
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: as as signing days approach, and you know, signing day

1114
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: used to be so much fun. Now it's you know,

1115
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: not so much fun anyway. I mean, all these things

1116
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: that used to motivate you and keep you going or

1117
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: just not what they used to be sure, And that's

1118
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: and that's what I mean about about killing the sport

1119
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: and turning it into baseball. Baseball may make more money

1120
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: than they've ever made before, but nobody cares about it

1121
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 1: the way they did in fifteen twenty years. College football

1122
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: may be making twice as much money as it makes now,

1123
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: but we're not. It's not gonna be what it is today,

1124
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: and most people aren't gonna like it as much as

1125
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: they did now. That may not matter if your players

1126
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: at the top schools making a million dollars to be

1127
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: a quarterback at Alabama or a million dollars to be

1128
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: a quarterback at Ohio State or something, and better for

1129
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: the players in that sense, certainly, but killing what we

1130
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 1: love about the sport and destroying the underpinnings.

1131
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 2: And you know, again, I.

1132
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: Haven't watched a baseball game. In years I used to

1133
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: not miss baseball games when they were on locally, So

1134
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 1: that's a perfect example. I think I don't watch boxing anymore,

1135
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: but if you talk about boxing, is a good example

1136
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: too of what happens when you don't have someone at

1137
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: the top controlling the whole thing. I remember I interviewed

1138
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: when I was on the radio years ago, Charlie Steiner,

1139
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: the sportscaster, and we were talking about boxing, and I

1140
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: was talking about needing some sort of an entity to

1141
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: sort of set the rules and make sure the good

1142
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: fighters fought the other good fighters, and he stopped me.

1143
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: He said, why would you want to get rid of

1144
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: the last vestige of pure capitalism in sports? Right? And

1145
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: it was such a great line, but I never thought

1146
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: about applying that to things that used to be. You

1147
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: know what we used to refer to, almost maybe blindingly,

1148
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: as amateur sports, right, because it was never amateur at

1149
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: some of these schools. We used to talk about the

1150
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: schools that would that would hire these players in the offseason,

1151
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they were driving sports cars

1152
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 1: and all these So, I mean that always existed, but

1153
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: there was at least a big leaf of oversight it's

1154
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: the wild West. Now, what Charlie Steiner had said about

1155
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: boxing is quickly becoming true for college football.

1156
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 3: Have you been to campuses? Have you been to games?

1157
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I think you're absolutely right in that the

1158
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 3: kernel or the core of the sport is the tradition,

1159
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 3: is the unique quality of going to a game or

1160
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 3: just being a Virginia Tech fan being a Texas fan,

1161
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 3: and just how different it is those experiences are both

1162
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 3: watching it in person? Have you tailgated in the South

1163
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 3: or the Midwest or elsewhere on the West coast. What

1164
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 3: is your experience with not college football games per se,

1165
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 3: but college football traditions in person.

1166
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: Well, like I said, I have zero interest in what

1167
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: goes on in the Southeast Conference, for example, But I

1168
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: saw Colorado lose to Minnesota Live live last year thirty

1169
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: to nothing. I saw them lose to USC Live at

1170
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: Fulsom Field last year. So I went to two games

1171
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 1: at Fulsom last year, both disasters, as as as has

1172
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: become lately the Colorado template unfortunately, but uh, but yeah,

1173
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: I was, I mean I was, and to be honest,

1174
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: and unfortunately, if my friends at Colorado who made that

1175
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: possible for me or listening I would have rather watched

1176
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: both on television because I feel like I would have

1177
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: seen better what was going on. But yes, so I

1178
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 1: do go to these things and I do enjoy it.

1179
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: And by the way, I also saw Oregon Colorado here

1180
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: in Eugene and was part of the tailgating and all that,

1181
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: so I definitely take part in all that.

1182
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 2: What does the future look like for Colorado football? You've

1183
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 2: mentioned Colorado a.

1184
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 1: Lot here because that underpins what we've been saying. Right,

1185
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: you care about your team, right.

1186
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 2: How do we feel about Colorado this year?

1187
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: It's ugly, and it's ugly for what we talked about earlier,

1188
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: because even when we get a good player and coach

1189
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: them up, then they leave. Somebody's got to figure out

1190
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: two things. One, the transfer portal's got to be fixed,

1191
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: if only because coaches have no way to plan. I mean,

1192
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: how do you how do you plan on? Okay, I'm

1193
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: filling in the gaps on my team when the holes

1194
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: and then they I mean that's you know, the sitting

1195
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: out a year thing. Maybe should come back or or

1196
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: once a transfer thing or they got to figure that

1197
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: out because otherwise it's it's worse than free agency. And

1198
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: so the Colorado situation is gonna be really tough. That's

1199
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: the only way I could say. And and fans support,

1200
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: I think is tougher too when you take these when

1201
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: you take the part that makes you live and die

1202
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: for the program. I mentioned the Nebraska games earlier because

1203
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: I hadn't felt that way in years. That's what makes

1204
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: you say, Okay, I'm gonna I can't ever leave this

1205
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: behind because it makes me feel like nothing else makes

1206
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: me feel right. But but when you change conferences and

1207
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: you get rid of traditional rivalries and all these things,

1208
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't make me feel like that anymore. Then why

1209
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: are you going to live and die? And if you're

1210
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: on a limited income budget, as ninety percent of the

1211
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: world is, are you really going to spend all that

1212
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: money to go to the games and go to the

1213
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: tail gate? I mean, all of this is based on

1214
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: that feeling. And that feeling is you know, if you're

1215
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: a Washington fan at the University of Washington, you don't

1216
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: get that feeling from watching the Iron Bowl. You just don't.

1217
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: And so I do feel like the future of Colorado

1218
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: football depends on what the future of most of these

1219
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: programs depends on the love of the game and what

1220
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: it does for you. And if you kill that, you

1221
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: kill the foundation that's kept college football what it is

1222
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: for more than a century.

1223
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 2: What is the Dan Carlin Saturday game day tradition? You

1224
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 2: mentioned college football is a TV sport. You're watching the

1225
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 2: game at home. What are you eating? How are you

1226
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 2: watching the game? Do you have any superstitions? You have

1227
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 2: a lucky shirt, a lucky shirt, a jersey. I have

1228
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 2: unlucky shirts. I throw these shirts. So the tradition at

1229
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 2: this house is we'll have game day on first thing

1230
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 2: in the morning. The teams that get rooted for around

1231
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 2: here are Colorado, Oregon State, and Washington State. So you're

1232
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 2: waiting to see Lee Corso and the gang bring up

1233
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 2: your schools or something that is relevant. So, for example,

1234
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 2: they may talk about sc or Washington, but that's still

1235
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 2: relevant to us, and you don't pay as much attention

1236
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 2: when they're off talking about something in a part of

1237
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 2: the country, you don't care about it anymore, right, And

1238
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 2: so our game day tradition is waiting for them to

1239
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 2: talk about the parts of the game that are relevant

1240
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 2: and that get you motive it, right. I want to

1241
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 2: hear the breakdown of how the game that I'm waiting

1242
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 2: to watch is going to turn out right, or the

1243
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 2: latest news on injuries or or or whatever.

1244
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: It might be. And that again speaks to the fact

1245
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: that this is a regional sort of a sport and

1246
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: trying to turn it into a national one is going

1247
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: to kill the very things that make everybody so excited,

1248
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: unless you happen to be again some of these programs here.

1249
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: I would love to find out what somebody at Alabama,

1250
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: and I keep saying Alabama because they've been, you know,

1251
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: in the top three for so many years now, they

1252
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: may have a different opinion about this, just like my

1253
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,919
Speaker 1: stepdad wanted SC to be playing only Alabama and only

1254
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: Ohio stated so it may be very different for them.

1255
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: But when you're talking about more than what is it

1256
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: more than one hundred Division one and I use old terms,

1257
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's you know, fcs, but more than one

1258
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: hundred Division one schools. If you take out ten of

1259
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: those schools, the rest of the people are all kind

1260
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: of in the same boat. Right. Not only is Colorado

1261
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: not going to sniff a national championship again, but the

1262
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: team we shared it with, Georgia Tech, isn't either. I mean,

1263
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: how is that how is it good for the sport

1264
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: to have the same five or six or seven teams

1265
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: out of more than one hundred, always the ones that

1266
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: share the top trophy. I just I can't think that

1267
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: that it wouldn't be good for baseball if it was

1268
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: only the Yankees and the Dodgers every single year, which

1269
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: it almost is. So I mean, I feel like not

1270
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: realizing that you have more than one hundred teams and

1271
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: that those hundred teams all contribute to the whole is

1272
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: part of what you know. I keep coming back to

1273
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: the same We're killing the golden goose here.

1274
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 2: My final question for you is you mentioned that you

1275
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 2: sometimes happen upon message boards every day, but you know,

1276
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 2: sometimes we are so Dan Carlin message board lurker or

1277
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 2: message board lurker with a burner handle that does not

1278
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 2: identify him personally.

1279
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: I am a lurker who It's funny. I only I

1280
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: only post when things are awful, right, So when something

1281
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: terrible happens, all of a sudden, I appear and I'm

1282
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: just like because normally I like have questions, right, I say,

1283
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is a disaster. When things are

1284
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: going good, I'm definitely a lurker. When things are going bad.

1285
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: Then I've had one account on one site for god

1286
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: more than a decade, and I think I've got like,

1287
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: you know, twelve posts or fifteen posts, but they're if

1288
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Speaker 1: you look at them, they're all in moments of disaster

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Speaker 1: and heartache.

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Speaker 3: I think we're gonna make a shirt out of that.

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Speaker 3: I only post when things are awful. Well, you're hearing

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Speaker 3: from me when the world is falling apart. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: if nothing else encapsulates college football.

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Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah. And hatreds. I mean that's the part

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Speaker 1: you hatreds.

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Speaker 3: It's absolutely true. Yeah, yeah, I can tell you all

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Speaker 3: of the fan or not the fan bases. I don't

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Speaker 3: really care that much about fan bases. But it feels

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Speaker 3: so good as an Oregon fan that Oregon has beaten

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Speaker 3: Washington whatever seventeen out of nineteen years. I you know,

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Speaker 3: I bathe in that. It feels so great.

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Speaker 1: And if you didn't play them, so this is you

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Speaker 1: you hit the nail on the head if you didn't

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Speaker 1: play them anymore. Yeah, right, if you moved to it's

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Speaker 1: this is like I'm supposed to hate Utah. I don't

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Speaker 1: even know. I don't hate you, Tie, I don't even think,

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Speaker 1: But then you don't get the same adrenaline rush if

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Speaker 1: we're playing Nebraska all of a sudden, like when we

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Speaker 1: played them the last few times and beat them both times.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say, in the midst of horrible CU seasons,

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Speaker 1: nothing I remember thinking, Okay, I used to feel this

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Speaker 1: way every year on the day after Thanksgiving when we

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Speaker 1: played them right that Friday of the day afterwards, and

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it reminded me what I loved

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Speaker 1: about the sport. And I get that feeling so rarely now,

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Speaker 1: So the idea that I'm going to get that feeling

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Speaker 1: less and less and less to me is a disaster,

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Speaker 1: especially when you're down to one last sport and it's

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Speaker 1: my favorite sport and you're just you're killing it. And

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Speaker 1: it just drives me crazy that we that we have

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Speaker 1: so little input and so little say. And I feel

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Speaker 1: bad for the schools because it is like a game

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Speaker 1: of musical chairs, and if you're an ad at one

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Speaker 1: of these schools, your number one job right now is

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Speaker 1: to make sure you don't get left out of a

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Speaker 1: conference or get left out of a top conference. I

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Speaker 1: get it, but but boy, I do think that the

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Speaker 1: fans once again, are the people being left behind here

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Speaker 1: and whose opinion seem to count for nothing?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as an Oregon fan, my initial reaction was how

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Speaker 3: how does Oregon get to the Big Ten and become

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Speaker 3: part of whatever big time college football will become? And

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Speaker 3: then I thought to myself, I don't care about beating Indiana.

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Speaker 3: I don't care about beating Penn State. As fun as

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Speaker 3: it is that Ty went to Penn State and I

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Speaker 3: went to Oregon, I don't care about beating you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Oregon just beat Ohio State last year, so

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Speaker 3: I can check off that box. I don't need anything

1339
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 3: more there. And it's just I have no personal connection

1340
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 3: and I want you know, I talked about this on

1341
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 3: the show that like, all I want to do is

1342
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 3: beat USC and Washington every year. That's the most important thing.

1343
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 3: I grew up with people who went to USC and UCLA.

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01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 3: My brother went to Washington. That to me, it's not

1345
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 3: just winning, it's who you're beating, it's who you're upsetting,

1346
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 3: it's whose season you're spoiling. And I think you're right,

1347
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 3: and I've been talking about that on the show, that

1348
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 3: college football is immensely personal and when you make it

1349
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 3: about market size and ratings. You're you're just turning it

1350
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 3: into a spreadsheet sport, which is not the point.

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01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 1: Well, wait till the TV networks and the conference tells

1352
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: you that Oregon's new rivals, Rutgers enjoy that.

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01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 2: Oh my god, at.

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01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 3: Least I have family in New Jersey. I can get

1355
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 3: good pizza. But other than that, I have know it.

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Speaker 1: But you see what I'm saying, that's what they did

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01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: with Utah. There's a Utah is your new rival. You

1358
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,440
Speaker 1: can't just say that that's not how it works.

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Speaker 3: It's true.

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Speaker 2: I completely agree.

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Speaker 3: Hate takes a long time to develop. It does, it

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01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 3: really does. It's it's a it's not.

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Speaker 1: Enough history, don't you That gets back to it. You

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01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 1: have to have a history with these people.

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Speaker 2: There is it comes full circle. That's right. We do

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01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 2: need to ask you what you're working on, What what

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01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 2: folks can expect next from Dan Carr and in the

1368
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 2: podcasting sphere, I know people are always waiting with baited

1369
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 2: breath for whatever you drop next. Do you have any

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01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 2: any projects you'd like to share with us.

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Speaker 1: We've been a little I've had I've had life intervene lately,

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01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: and so we're a little behind but we should have

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01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 1: something on our Hardcore History adendem feed by the end

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01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 1: of the month. And I'm working on the Big Show

1375
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 1: as usual, so we're getting a scorching two point five

1376
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: shows out a year of the Big Show. So the

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01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 1: Big Show will be out probably I don't know, October,

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01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 1: November or something like that, but we should have something

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Speaker 1: by the end of July and on the HHA feed.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, that's all wonderful. Thank you so much

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01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 2: for all of your time. We hope he'll come back

1382
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 2: soon because.

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01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: You guys are nice to listen to my rantings. I

1384
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: appreciate and thanks to your audience for listening to an ignorant, vindictive,

1385
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 1: middle aged man talk about what he's missing in the sport.

1386
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 1: That's why we brought you here into I have vindictiveness.

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01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 1: We'll travel.

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Speaker 2: Dan carlon Hardcore History, thank you so much for your time.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk soon.

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01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on, guys. I appreciate it.

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01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 2: All right, Dan, there you go, mister Dan Carlin Hardcore History,

1392
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:11,479
Speaker 2: go and check him out. I'm curious if I'm doing

1393
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 2: a heat check between his take on conference realignment and

1394
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 2: your take on conference realignment. Who hates it more?

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01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 3: So he has been the quote unquote, and I'm just

1396
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 3: quoting myself, the victim twice because he loved rooting against

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01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 3: Nebraska and the Colorado Nebraska matchup, and now he doesn't

1398
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 3: care about Utah. But now he's seeing Colorado and its

1399
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 3: current conference iteration get demoted to whatever we're going to

1400
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 3: consider West Coast football and Pac ten twelve football moving forward.

1401
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 3: So he goes a little bit further back and has

1402
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 3: more baggage. Though I do this for a living, and

1403
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 3: so it affects my emotions on a more professional level

1404
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 3: than it does for him. I don't know, man, I

1405
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 3: because I'm so tied intertwined with this all year long.

1406
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 3: It's probably me who gets more worked up about this stuff,

1407
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,439
Speaker 3: the one who has to think about something to talk

1408
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:05,919
Speaker 3: about and something to spin, you know, come February, come May,

1409
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 3: come August, whatever. So it's probably me. But I thought

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01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 3: he brought the heat. He brought heat, that heat.

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01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 2: He did deliver. We appreciate mister Carlin for stopping on

1412
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 2: by being so generous with his time. Again, check out

1413
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 2: hardcore history. If you haven't yet, hopefully you have. Yeah,

1414
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 2: But as I said at the top, all time rushmore

1415
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 2: of podcasts and Pope ask you something. Yes, please.

1416
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 3: You're an only child as far as you know, confirmed,

1417
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 3: as far as I know, yes, as far as you know,

1418
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 3: you're an only child. And you've talked about on previous shows.

1419
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 3: Maybe they were on the bruin A shows, the Patreon

1420
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 3: onlyverballers dot com q and A show. Maybe you revealed

1421
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 3: it on that show. You had like all of the

1422
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 3: gaming consoles growing up. Right, Yep, you're a spoiled only child.

1423
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 3: I was spoiled, but not a brat. Is how correct that?

1424
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 3: That's how I've interpreted having met and heard from Mama H.

1425
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 3: I think she raised your thank you. Did you own

1426
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 3: because they were not cheap, they were not inexpensive? Did

1427
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 3: you own rebox pumps?

1428
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 2: I don't think I ever had a rebox pump phase.

1429
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 3: No, okay, because that's that's a nice threshold, that's a

1430
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 3: nice line in the sand, because what I'm seeing right

1431
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 3: now is the SEC and the big ten as the

1432
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 3: rebox pumps. They're the kids that have that can have

1433
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:24,600
Speaker 3: the cash to buy that premium. I don't know how

1434
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 3: much they were one hundred bucks whatever it was back

1435
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 3: then as an expensive shoe purchase. And then you could

1436
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Speaker 3: be the Big twelve, You could be the Pac twelve

1437
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 3: and be like.

1438
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Speaker 1: Well, they're not Rebox, but I got the La Gear.

1439
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 2: Pumps, got some walk pump action.

1440
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, La Gear. You can look up

1441
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 3: La Gear.

1442
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: Okay.

1443
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 3: Shortly after Rebox Pump released their pumps, La Gear released

1444
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,600
Speaker 3: their more express version, their version of the pumps that

1445
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 3: were more affordable. And I just get this the feeling

1446
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 3: that as somebody, as an La Gear pump owner, that

1447
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 3: sure it was cool to have that pump on your

1448
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 3: shoe tongue, but there is a difference. There is a

1449
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 3: difference in being a Rebock pump owner and an La

1450
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 3: Gear pump owner, and we're all freaking out about who's

1451
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:20,759
Speaker 3: gonna own the biggest and brightest La Gears.

1452
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 2: Did we ever find out, by the way, what the

1453
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 2: ergonomic advantage was to the Rebock pump, Because I feel

1454
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 2: like I put them on at one point or another

1455
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 2: in my life, and I pumped them all the way up.

1456
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 2: It didn't necessarily add to the comfort level.

1457
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 3: I suppose it was air surrounding your I have no idea.

1458
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 3: I have no idea extra cushioning like the cushion was

1459
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:44,599
Speaker 3: supposed to inflate with it.

1460
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Speaker 1: I have no con.

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Speaker 2: Somebody looked that up. Soliverblogmail dot COM's email let us

1462
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 2: know what the deal was with that. But no, I

1463
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 2: think we're headed towards Battle of the pump Stan. That's

1464
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 2: what you're going for, right.

1465
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 3: Well, so we've got the Rebock conferences, we've got the

1466
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 3: LA Gear Conferences coincidentally enough without the LA teams, and so.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's tough.

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01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 3: Man, it's a tough position. But ultimately I still was

1469
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 3: able to cross over a bunch of those pumpers, so

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01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 3: I'm good.

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Speaker 2: So here is the deal. Solidverbal dot com is the

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Speaker 2: website if you want to head on out and check

1473
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 2: out any of our old stuff, But if not, that's cool,

1474
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Speaker 2: just hit subscribe. As we said at the top, we're

1475
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 2: gonna be doing a lot more college football content as

1476
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,759
Speaker 2: the season draws nearer. We are starting up our preview

1477
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 2: content next week. We will do that for ten straight episodes,

1478
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Speaker 2: taking you all the way through into mid August. We've

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Speaker 2: got live shows which we would urge you to check out.

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Speaker 2: Just go to solidverballive dot com. We're gonna be stopping

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Speaker 2: by your neck of the woods actually Chicago at the

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Speaker 2: end of August where we're going to do our Fantasy

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Speaker 2: Thing show, which is our favorite live show concept to

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Speaker 2: love doing that at Beat Kitchen in Chicago. Soliverblelive dot

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Speaker 2: com is where you can go for more info on

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Speaker 2: that and Verballers dot com, as you just mentioned a

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Speaker 2: few seconds ago. For Ballers dot com is our Patreon.

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Speaker 2: If you want to support the show, if you want

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Speaker 2: to get some bonus perks, that is where you can

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Speaker 2: find it. I believe that's all I got, Dan. I

1491
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 2: just I'm waiting and waiting to just talk music about football.

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01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 2: I take the music, Take the music off, please. I

1493
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 2: hate that music. I know it's the best I worked

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Speaker 2: in corporate America. I heard so much of it. For

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Speaker 2: that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself,

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Speaker 2: Tie Hildebrand, thanks so much for downloading, for listening, for

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Speaker 2: playing along at home. We'll be back next week. In

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Speaker 2: the meantime, as always, stay solid, peace,