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Speaker 1: Fish on First Live, presented by About the Fans. We

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Speaker 1: are back and riding high. I'll just lead off with

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Speaker 1: Brian's comments here. You're telling me there is a chance

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Speaker 1: there is a teeny tiny chance with this Marlins team.

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Speaker 1: I'm Eli Sussman. Special guest Danny Enriquez. I know him

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Speaker 1: from The Big League Show, l Big League Show, hosting

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Speaker 1: it with Adrian Lorenzo, and he runs Caine's Insight, just

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Speaker 1: like myself. A huge um guy, and I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 1: notice hopping on here, so I'm glad that you did.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not riding solo. Danny, thanks to Lot for

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Speaker 1: coming on. I know you're familiar with our stuff, so

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that as well.

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Speaker 2: No, man, it's a pleasure.

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Speaker 4: I'm to me, vibes are high right now when you

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Speaker 4: look at playing well without stours like we're doing Sandy

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Speaker 4: to me, I mean, this was not like a flawless performance.

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Speaker 2: But he's back. He's back to normal. We're not holding

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Speaker 4: Cabrera sounds like he's throwing right, doesn't seem like he's

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Speaker 4: off right. He's gonna try to give it a go,

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Speaker 4: and he's he's He's up to ninety seven, they said

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Speaker 4: in that last that last session. Weathers looks good, this

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Speaker 4: farm looks good. I'm feeling great right now. This is

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Speaker 4: where I wanted to be. The Cabrara newsed kind of

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Speaker 4: all this, we keep him and he gets hurt, but

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Speaker 4: him being healthy, Sandy being back, Weather's being good, and

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Speaker 4: then the team playing well without Kyle Stowers, Augustin Vermier

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Speaker 4: is getting going again. I'm feeling great, probably as good

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Speaker 4: as I should be feeling considered We're so far hundred

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Speaker 2: But you know, I like the vibes. The vibes are high,

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Speaker 2: and that's the way I would put it.

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Speaker 1: I had that ready on the soundboard perfectly. You didn't

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Speaker 2: I had that one, No, No, I know it's true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, let's quickly. I wanted to go back,

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Speaker 1: but coming off, of course, this series sweep of the Rockies,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to go back quickly. See the last

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Speaker 1: the records right there, It was already clear the Rockies

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Speaker 1: in June, felt like fourteen games under five hundred. I mean, Danny,

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Speaker 1: I thought that was rock bottom for the team. I

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Speaker 2: I mean, the season is long now.

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Speaker 4: We like the season being long as we get more, right,

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Speaker 4: And to me, it's a lot better. What was the

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Speaker 2: It was one of those years.

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Speaker 4: I think the timing too, We have two pitchers coming

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Speaker 4: It's just kind of you never really felt like this

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Speaker 4: Texting Stallings after his starts. You know that was such

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Speaker 4: If I'm the Yankees and I had this dude as

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Speaker 1: I think so because they were in this situation where

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Speaker 4: So so you had this like what you're talking about,

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Speaker 1: What it does is it gives me flashbacks of exactly

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Speaker 4: Man, Now you're killing the vibes. The vibes were high,

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Speaker 2: We gotta bring back the vibes. We gotta bring back

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Speaker 4: Weathers you know Weather's I mean did pitch particularly well,

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Speaker 4: but I mean the arm still works, the body still works, and.

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Speaker 2: I mean he's super talented.

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Speaker 4: I mean he curious not to me, he's not that

440
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Speaker 4: far off talentwise from Lizardo, but just maybe not as

441
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Speaker 4: durable and Lazardo had injuries too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been It was great to have Weather's back

443
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Speaker 1: just in time before the end of the year, so

444
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Speaker 1: he should have two more starts to go before the

445
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Speaker 1: end of the season to head into the winter on

446
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Speaker 1: a high note. And the hopes were so high for

447
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Speaker 1: him entering the year because he put in a lot

448
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Speaker 1: of work getting his body right into good shape and

449
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Speaker 1: his stuff was as good as ever this year. So

450
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Speaker 1: I'm not concerned at all about the Rockies results. Still

451
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Speaker 1: pretty confident in him moving forward. He's obviously he becomes

452
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Speaker 1: If Eddie does miss some time next year, then that

453
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Speaker 1: that just means that Weathers isn't even bigger part of

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Speaker 1: their plans for twenty twenty six. So I think there's

455
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Speaker 1: a lot of confidence in him. Yeah, other than that

456
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Speaker 1: from this past few days, crutching anything, maybe offensively, we

457
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Speaker 1: want to touch on for them to win these three games,

458
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Speaker 1: especially today, A rare leam Hicks is one of your guys,

459
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Speaker 1: and this is the first time in a long time

460
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Speaker 1: that he said a homer off of an actual pitcher,

461
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Speaker 1: because was actually off of a position player pitcher. It's

462
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Speaker 1: been a If the power is there, even a little bit,

463
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Speaker 1: then he is. He's going to be a significant piece

464
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Speaker 1: of this team moving forward. He's a really well rounded player. Otherwise,

465
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Speaker 1: it's just about that one element to his game, and

466
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Speaker 1: he flashed it a little bit in this final game.

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Speaker 5: Now, I don't know if this is the way that

468
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Speaker 5: you should look at things, but the way that I

469
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Speaker 5: look at it is through the lens of the catchers

470
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Speaker 5: that have come through Miami since J. T. Real Mudo

471
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Speaker 5: left or was traded away, rather, which is at this point,

472
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Speaker 5: I don't really care what kind of hits you're getting,

473
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Speaker 5: if you're getting it or getting on base at any

474
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Speaker 5: rate in any sort of way as a catcher on

475
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Speaker 5: the Marlins, like I'm I'm happy now. Obviously, if you

476
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Speaker 5: can find an improvement over the offseason, then go for it,

477
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Speaker 5: but I wouldn't really be forcing it. He's he doesn't

478
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Speaker 5: strike out, he walks a lot, he gets a lot

479
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Speaker 5: of productive outs, and then you know he'll get a

480
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Speaker 5: single for you once every other game. The scouting report

481
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Speaker 5: on him was always that he didn't have a lot

482
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Speaker 5: of power, So it doesn't really concern me that he

483
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Speaker 5: only has three home runs against regular pitchers at sea

484
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Speaker 5: level this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think I just have unfortunately low expectations for catchers

487
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Speaker 5: on the Marlins. He's fine as a catcher. He can't

488
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Speaker 5: really throw out runners, but it seems like no one

489
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Speaker 5: on the in that position group can. He doesn't hit

490
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Speaker 5: home runs, but that's fine. He gets hits, and at

491
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Speaker 5: this point I don't really care how you get hits

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Speaker 5: as a catcher.

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Speaker 1: I guess we'll call this the Marlins golf cart report says,

494
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Speaker 1: I'm press box report. That seems where Isaac is right now.

495
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Speaker 1: Tell us how it was covering two and a half

496
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Speaker 1: games at course Fields. I know in our private Chad,

497
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Speaker 1: you've you've been totally over the moon that the experience.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're on our way back from the golf

499
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Speaker 3: course back to downtown Denver. We spent two and a

500
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Speaker 3: half days covering the Marlins at Courcefield. Start with the

501
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Speaker 3: experience course field, press box incredible. The baseball experience at

502
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Speaker 3: force Fields. It feels like you're there watching baseball rather

503
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Speaker 3: than that some concert like. It feels like a low

504
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Speaker 3: neboat park at times. The people the staff are incredibly

505
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Speaker 3: nice or helpful, whether you're trying to figure out where

506
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Speaker 3: to go and how to get to where you're trying

507
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Speaker 3: to go. And then yeah, all the main part of

508
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Speaker 3: it was that the visiting clubhouse at course Field is

509
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Speaker 3: by far the biggest visiting clubhouse.

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Speaker 1: That I've seen.

511
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Speaker 3: I've covered a good amount of road games for the Marlins. Apparently,

512
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Speaker 3: according to sources, the Texas Rangers new visiting clubhouse that

513
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Speaker 3: their new ballpark in Arlington is the only one that's

514
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Speaker 3: bigger than the one in course Field.

515
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Speaker 1: But it was an incredible time.

516
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Speaker 3: We had a couple of big wins with Ryan weathers

517
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Speaker 3: on the Mountain yesterday where the rookies sort of helped

518
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Speaker 3: fuel the offense even though Ryan Weather's gonna go too deep,

519
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 3: and then opening the series opener with your Peress pitching. Unfortunately,

520
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 3: the best baseball of his second half is cut short

521
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Speaker 3: due to some rain. We dealt some with some rain

522
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Speaker 3: delays yesterday as well before first pitch of forty minute

523
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Speaker 3: late before first pitch, and a one hour and one

524
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Speaker 3: minute of rain delay after the fifth inning in Game

525
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Speaker 3: one on Tuesday, But all in all, on incredible experience

526
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Speaker 3: at Denver.

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Speaker 2: Isaac. I was out there.

528
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Speaker 4: I'm Danny by the way, next to meet you Man've

529
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Speaker 4: been reading your stuff for a while.

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Speaker 2: I was.

531
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Speaker 4: I was out there in Colorado with my family myself

532
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Speaker 4: with the course. Saw the big big the big painting

533
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Speaker 4: of the Blake Street Bombers there on the side with

534
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Speaker 4: Coloraga Dante bis Shed a little before your time, but

535
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Speaker 4: that was like the hot things we were because we

536
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Speaker 4: kind of came up together here as franchises.

537
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Speaker 2: But you got to check out the buffalo. There's a buffalo.

538
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 4: It was preserved by the airport, so if you're like

539
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Speaker 4: a little early to your flight, there's like a big

540
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Speaker 4: field of buffalo right that by the airport. Sorry for

541
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Speaker 4: hijacking the Marlins discussion, but make sure you check out

542
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Speaker 4: the buffalo before you get out there.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it was awesome.

544
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Speaker 4: We went a good little earlier in the year, so

545
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Speaker 4: they weren't, as you know, down in the dumbs. They

546
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Speaker 4: still were one of the worst teams on pace to

547
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Speaker 4: be one of the worst teams in history, but it

548
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 4: wasn't as advanced in the season. I was like we

549
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Speaker 4: had like twenty five thirty thousand on a Tuesday day game.

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Speaker 4: You know, I guess the Cardinals who were not any

551
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Speaker 4: great shakes at that time. So yeah, it's a pretty

552
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Speaker 4: cool experience. Definitely a different vibe.

553
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Speaker 5: In Colorado, Isaac, you hit from the farthest back team.

554
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Speaker 5: Are you still at the front.

555
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Speaker 3: One thing at a time? But you have My girlfriend

556
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Speaker 3: really excited, gonna she's driving today.

557
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Speaker 1: We're gonna have to try to check that out.

558
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Dany and then Projick, we were

559
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Speaker 3: playing from the black from the back teams.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much.

561
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Speaker 3: We were able to get over fifteen to twenty more

562
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Speaker 3: distance on our t shots today due to the altitude.

563
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Speaker 1: Obviously, it's a great time out there. Thank you for

564
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Speaker 1: asking for people that are curious about the attendance numbers

565
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Speaker 1: for this Rocky series. All three games announced attendance in

566
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Speaker 1: the low twenty thousands, which by Marlin standards, I'd be

567
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Speaker 1: about a top ten number at Loan Deepot Park all

568
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Speaker 1: season long. And so that's just I've seen examples throughout

569
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Speaker 1: this year that have been crazy. I know, even deep

570
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Speaker 1: into the summer, they've had a couple borderline sellouts for

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Speaker 1: this team, for this Rocky team, That just speaks to

572
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Speaker 1: how much interest there is and how much people enjoy

573
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Speaker 1: going to that particular ballpark, regardless of the results, especially

574
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Speaker 1: if there's a lot of transplants for the visiting team.

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Speaker 1: Probably not a lot of Miami transplants in Denver.

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Speaker 3: There were a decent amount of guys in Marlins Jerseys,

577
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Speaker 3: to be honest, more than I thought. I know some

578
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Speaker 3: season ticket holders made the trip. And we're sitting about

579
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Speaker 3: the dugout on back course field, over.

580
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Speaker 1: The third base dugout.

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Speaker 3: And it's funny because I did ask plaint I wanted

582
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Speaker 3: to ask during the pregames scrub, but I didn't want

583
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Speaker 3: to put them on spot, but it asked them, why

584
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Speaker 3: do you think the Rockies, despite a historically bad record

585
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 3: and really inconsistent weather and here in September, how they're

586
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Speaker 3: able to still in the middle of the week against

587
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Speaker 3: another that nationally team, were able to draw twenty twenty

588
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Speaker 3: five plus thirty thousand fans a day.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's a different sports sound, it's a different city.

590
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Speaker 3: It's they depend on their sports here in Denver feels

591
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 3: like and they just make it feel like a baseball experience.

592
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 3: There's no in game posts and I think that's something

593
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 3: that a lot of fans take. They appreciate that, and yeah,

594
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 3: they just love their team a little bit more. And

595
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 3: hopefully there's something that they can take take from this

596
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Speaker 3: and take from their entire season and maybe implement them

597
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Speaker 3: at on Deeople Park, because twenty five thousand, like Eli said,

598
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Speaker 3: would be top ten at home.

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Speaker 1: Right before he came on, we touched briefly on Eddie

600
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Speaker 1: and his attempt to come back from this elbow situation.

601
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Speaker 1: That kind of gave my thoughts on it, my pessimism

602
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Speaker 1: on it, comparing it to Sandy a couple of years ago,

603
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Speaker 1: but from being there how feeling about the possibility that

604
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Speaker 1: he may have dodged a bullet with this, as claydon't

605
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Speaker 1: even alluded to the possibility that he might pitch in

606
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Speaker 1: a game next week, like a Big League game to

607
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Speaker 1: finish us off. Where where do we stand with Eddie

608
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Speaker 1: as he's trying to overcome this elbow sprain issue. I think,

609
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Speaker 1: oh man, I think Isaac made frozen on us at

610
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Speaker 1: an inopportunity with the scoop.

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Speaker 2: On the edge of my seat. Wet, that's amazing. You

612
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Speaker 2: got a guy on the on.

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Speaker 4: The ground for that that's pretty cool for for you

614
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 4: guys fish on first Man. You got people on the

615
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Speaker 4: ground getting real life injury out days, not just relying

616
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Speaker 4: on everybody else.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to you guys.

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Speaker 1: That's that's awesome. Yeah, that's in all likelihood, that's going

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Speaker 1: to be our final road series coverage of the season.

620
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Speaker 1: The rest of the path for the Marlins is what

621
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Speaker 1: two more in well, three games in Texas and then

622
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Speaker 1: three in Philly coming up next week. But barring any surprises,

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Speaker 1: be it.

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Speaker 3: Might be a good and we have some pretty bad service,

625
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Speaker 3: can you guys hear me?

626
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Speaker 1: Okay, now, yeah, got you just well enough?

627
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: Wait, it might it might go down really quick. But

628
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 3: on Cabrera, he's gonna pitch again this year. I don't

629
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Speaker 3: know if they've dodged bullet because you know what, what's

630
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: going on in his elbow is accurate, He's gonna try

631
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Speaker 3: and pitch through it. The example of continue hearing is

632
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Speaker 3: Hassaro doing what he's doing for Philadelphia despite all you know,

633
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 3: despite what's going on with his elbow, Cabre's gonna try

634
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,239
Speaker 3: and pitch through it. Surgery has been and still is

635
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Speaker 3: on the table, but he did throw a simulated game

636
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Speaker 3: on Tuesday, I'm sorry.

637
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: On Wednesday was field three innings fifty pitches. At this

638
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Speaker 1: point in the season.

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Speaker 3: There's not gonna be any time for a rehab assignment, obviously,

640
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 3: so the next time he does take amount in a

641
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 3: professional capacity, it'll be for the Marlins.

642
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: So it's it felt like Clayton.

643
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 3: Was cautiously optimistic that Cabrera could make one more start

644
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Speaker 3: before the season ends. You could make the argument, what's

645
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 3: he doing just undergo the surgery, But I think if

646
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Speaker 3: you're him and you're looking at Sandy and his uneven

647
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 3: first half coming off surgery, you're looking at Garry Brez

648
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Speaker 3: and his unevenness in the second half coming off surgery,

649
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 3: you can understand why maybe Edward or where personally is

650
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 3: uneasy about going under the knife with the surgery in

651
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,479
Speaker 3: his right arm, coming off the best year of his

652
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 3: career by far. But that's where it stands right now.

653
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 3: He's gonna the next step is for maybe five ups,

654
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Speaker 3: sixty five seventy five pitches, and then you could see

655
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Speaker 3: him hypothetically pitching.

656
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: An image of the game before the season is over.

657
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 2: The barn seam out the missing.

658
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: Do you do.

659
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 5: You have a feeling that maybe also part of his

660
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 5: wanting to pitch through it as to do with the

661
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 5: factor work towards the end of the season, and so

662
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 5: he only needs like a couple more ups on the

663
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 5: mound and then he's got five months.

664
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 6: Off, you would think, but you know, if there's any

665
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 6: thought process there, that wouldn't make much sense, because whether

666
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 6: you have five months off or you know, I that

667
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 6: does definitely have a factor.

668
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 3: But once you report in January and February start throwing again,

669
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 3: you're gonna feel this comfort. If you're Cabrera, you know,

670
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 3: it's sure a shoot. It happened ever few months a

671
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 3: year this season, it's happened. He's felt up discomfort almost

672
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 3: every year of his professional career. And if with him,

673
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 3: let's say he had undergone surgery in September, he is

674
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 3: one hundred percent back for the twenty twenty seven spring

675
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 3: training and that'll be he's gonna be making his arbitration

676
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: eligible money next year, five million dollars for not pitching

677
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 3: a single inting. So if I were him, I probably

678
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 3: would have undergone it. But it's easy for me to say,

679
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 3: you know, no redepends on my right arm.

680
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that.

681
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 3: Where we are in the season September. It probably does

682
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 3: have something to do with him saying, hey, let's just

683
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 3: try and get to the end, and who knows what happens.

684
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 5: So I don't know if this is one of those

685
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 5: injuries were like, he just needs some rest for a

686
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 5: while and hopefully that clears it up, or if the

687
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 5: arm just is what it is at this point in

688
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 5: playing a surgery.

689
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 3: Some people can pitch through it, some people can.

690
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: No one.

691
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 3: If anyone tells you that they know what's going on

692
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 3: with a pitcher's elbow, they're full of shit.

693
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: People react. Every guy reacts differently and.

694
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 3: Will never know how Carrera would will or would have

695
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 3: reacted depending on what he does.

696
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: So I'm very curious to see how this plays out.

697
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 3: I was told a few weeks ago that it was

698
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 3: a foregun conclusion to be missing all of twenty twenty six.

699
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 2: That could still happen.

700
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 3: You Now, it's very feasible that he pitches and he

701
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 3: gets hurt again, and he feels discomfort again, he complains

702
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 3: of any sort of pain, and then he will undergo surgery.

703
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 3: But if he doesn't feel any pain, maybe it's close

704
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: to Hasting's Lozarno situation.

705
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: Where he's able to pitch through it.

706
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 5: I will say for now, oh sorry, Eli, for now,

707
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 5: it seems like the times that he has gone up,

708
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 5: it sounds like his stat his stat cast numbers are

709
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 5: still similar. And so far he's been waking up with

710
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 5: no discomfort at least that's the information that they're relaying

711
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 5: to us. So I mean, so far, it seems like

712
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 5: he's been able to pitch through it with no decrease

713
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 5: in performance.

714
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

715
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think it's gone a little bit.

716
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 3: The last ile stint when he was played it was

717
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 3: a little bit more pain than from when.

718
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: The last time went on the IL.

719
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 3: But you're right, he was throwing ninety seven at force

720
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 3: Field yesterday, so you know that's a that's a good sign.

721
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: The spin was there, the break was there, everything was there.

722
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 2: He felt fine coming off, coming off, and so you know,

723
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: we'll see.

724
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: This would be interesting. Isaac referenced it in answer Sean

725
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 1: Miller's question that Chad, Yeah, he's getting paid next year

726
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: regardless of whether he's healthy or not. It's not guaranteed.

727
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: It is an arbitration salary where the team could cut

728
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: him and lose him for absolutely nothing, but they would

729
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: not do that. That'd be malpractice. So the team will

730
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: either it's tongue and pay him to rehab in twenty

731
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: twenty six and to be as you reference, around that

732
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: five million dollar figure, pretty significant raise because of how

733
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: he's push this year and how terrible if he's been

734
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: or anybody that's not aware of this. I was the

735
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: last reporter that spoke to him when he made his

736
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 1: most recent major league start, and my question to him

737
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: was how it is that he's been able to stay

738
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: so healthy this year when he was unable to do

739
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: so in previous years, And he kind of laughed it off,

740
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: and he seemed pretty He didn't seem like he was

741
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: hiding anything in that moment. But it turns out the

742
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: very next day is when he told the team that

743
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: he was something was up and he couldn't keep going.

744
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 1: And I have my fingers crossed that he actually dodged

745
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: a bullet here and is able to have a relatively

746
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 1: normal twenty twenty six season, and that my ill timed

747
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: question did not push him in the raw direction one

748
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 1: way or the other.

749
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 5: It's like when a reporter asked a closing picture like hey,

750
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 5: you've been nails lately, like can you talk about that

751
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 5: a little bit, and then he goes and gives off

752
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 5: the boblem the next day.

753
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 4: It's kind of like that, you know, we're doing for

754
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 4: some luck on these because I could have sworn when

755
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 4: we traded Lozardo and we traded pop Lopez, which that

756
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 4: was shoulder consistent shoulder issues, which was even scarier, especially

757
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 4: after Henderson Albres, you know, another Venezuela that we had.

758
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 4: I remember like, all right, well, let them deal with

759
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 4: that risk, right that. I mean, you're sad to see

760
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 4: him go, but you're like, from a just cold logical perspective,

761
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 4: you're like, all right, well, they're going to deal with

762
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 4: this problem.

763
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 2: And these guys have been horses.

764
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 4: I mean, that's some injuries, but they've been extremely productive

765
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 4: for the teams that acquired them. So it's like we

766
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 4: kept Cabrera, could have done that same thing, and now

767
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 4: we're dealing with this. So you hope the luck kind

768
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 4: of goes on our side for this one.

769
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: And we've referenced it with Sandy. It was a similar

770
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: situation with Cabrera at the deadline where teams were interested,

771
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: The Marlins are willing to move him for a certain price,

772
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: but they just were not anywhere close to actually coming

773
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: on the same page in terms of what an appropriate

774
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: value is for somebody with his extensive injury history who

775
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 1: just had not been performing that well even as recently

776
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: as last seasons, as well as things were going right now,

777
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: there was that lingering injury concern, and in the back

778
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: of your mind in Cabrera's case, there was a question

779
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: that you've lived through it as well, where he just

780
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: has had a lot of trouble throwing strikes in the

781
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: past prior to this year, where they wind it up

782
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: in the same situation, just sticking with him and standing

783
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: pat and hoping that teams would value him more highly

784
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: in the off season and trusting that he would be

785
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 1: able to keep this up. And unfortunately he hasn't gone

786
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: in the same direction as the Sandy one, where Sandy

787
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: is finishing on a very high note, whereas with Eddie

788
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: at this moment, you're just holding your breath that he's

789
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: it's not quite as bad as we feared it was

790
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago.

791
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna see it.

792
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: I know that the Marlins, they we they did.

793
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 3: Not They weren't able to come to an agreement on

794
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 3: a trade with Cabrera this trade deadline. They did have

795
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 3: pretty much foregone conclusion plans.

796
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 2: To make a deal this off season with Cabrera.

797
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 3: So this on you that that they're gonna that they

798
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 3: would have to pay him for him to not pitch

799
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 3: if if he does elect to undergo surgery, would would

800
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,479
Speaker 3: have significant consequences on their payroll flexibility for next season

801
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 3: because that would be five million dollars that's lost for them.

802
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: You know, we know this team is not flushed with cash.

803
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: So yeah, this is gonna whether I guess them as

804
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 3: are hoping that you can fish do what obviously they are,

805
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 3: but it's gonna have a lot of ramifications if he's

806
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 3: not able to.

807
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: We'll send you on your way. Isak doing your final

808
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: few hours Colorado?

809
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: Check out the buffalo by the airport right there?

810
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 3: All right, we will try. We have to return this

811
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: rental car on to Row tomorrow morning before a one

812
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 3: pm flight, so we will try to, uh take a

813
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 3: look at this buffalo that you speak of.

814
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 2: She's very plural. It's a herd.

815
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: All right, all right, Miami, we'll see you guys.

816
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 5: Buffalo does sound cool?

817
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got extra time and there was just a

818
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 4: giant field of grass. That's like, you know, you've been

819
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 4: by airports.

820
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's just random space that they haven't done anything with.

821
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 4: It's nothing beautiful, but they just stuck a bunch of

822
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 4: buffalo there and they just roll that whole The whole

823
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 4: piece of land right in the city, right next to

824
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 4: the airport is crazy.

825
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you know this in Florida, like the

826
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 5: we all freak out and we see a deer wild life.

827
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, he totally moved me off topic. I almost ran

828
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: into a deer last night when I was driving in

829
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: New York. All of a sudden, like a whole family

830
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: of them crossing the street, coming out of a cemetery

831
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 1: of all places, as I was trotting by, and usually

832
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: don't see them in the summer. That just shows that

833
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: the seasons are changing a little bit because they in

834
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: the fall they kind of take over and all of

835
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: a sudden, Damn, that was pretty close. Pretty close to

836
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: a bad situation too, right, Oh yeah, they leave. Yeah,

837
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: that's a mess. Thankfully, I've not personally been through that situation,

838
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: but family members that have actually had collisions with deer,

839
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: and it is not forgiving itself on the vehicle to

840
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: transition from that I didn't cover one non Marlins topic

841
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: on here, because earlier today we got the announcement that

842
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: Clayton Kershaw retiring. This is on a pretty short list

843
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: of the guys that have no doubt Hall of famers

844
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: that now I can remember from the very start of

845
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: their careers at the very end, I remember Kershaw coming

846
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: up as his hot shot prospect with the Dodgers team

847
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: that was pretty mediocre at the time back in two

848
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,959
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, and he ends up being the lone

849
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 1: constant for them through this crazy run of dominance, being

850
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: not only in the playoffs every year, but winning their

851
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: division almost every single year, winning two World Series, and

852
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: before that being in the middle of them blowing a

853
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 1: lot of potential World Series runs. So there's that little

854
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: complication in his legacy where his postseason performance has been shaky.

855
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: People really didn't have any expectations of him entering this

856
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: year at this stage because of all the injuries has

857
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: been through the fact that the quality of his stuff

858
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: has understandably gone down through the years. But when he's

859
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: been on the mounds this season, he's actually been really

860
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: effective for them, and he's somebody that's probably going to

861
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: be part of their postseason plans and any chance that

862
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: they have of actually repeating as champs. So anything that

863
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: comes to mind to you, Danny when you think about Kershaw,

864
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: and not just his times pitching against the Marlins, obviously,

865
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: but just this crazy career that he's had all with

866
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: one team too. That's the kind of unique wrinkle as well,

867
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: start to finish with the team that drafted him like

868
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: twenty years ago.

869
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 2: Let me pull this up here because this this blew

870
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: my mind. This is Jason Stark.

871
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 4: He said, look at this two thousand plus innings pitch

872
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 4: live ball era first in the ra plus time with

873
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 4: pager Martinez whip first.

874
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 2: I mean, any like you said, he's still pitching. Great.

875
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 4: That Dodgers' rotation is kind of rounding it to form

876
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 4: at the right time, which for them, I mean, they

877
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 4: knew they were going to go to the playoffs, so

878
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 4: it's a matter of getting hot at this time. So

879
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 4: you look at that rotation with Kershaw playing a big

880
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 4: part of it. Tawny Rowland, now Yamamota's been outstanding, So

881
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 4: that's a pretty cool rotation. I mean, if you hate Dodgers,

882
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 4: it's not a very good sign that they're getting at

883
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 4: the format, they could be better than last year, and

884
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 4: you hope that he gets that opportunity.

885
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 2: Look at you, man, great job pulling that, you know.

886
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 4: You hope that he gets an opportunity to have another

887
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 4: moment here, I think during this run. I'm not Dodgers

888
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 4: fan particularly, but it would be cool to see him,

889
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 4: given that he can still go, have one of those

890
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 4: games or one of those moments where you really see

891
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 4: him on the biggest stage before he goes, especially now

892
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 4: that he's retiring for sure, because I mean, those numbers

893
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 4: are absolutely insane and no real asterisk that I could

894
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 4: think of.

895
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: I do really wish that our Stafford Lewis Eddy West

896
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: is on here, because even though he does cover the

897
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: Marlins mostly like this is by far his single favorite

898
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: athlete of all time, and any sport in any capacity

899
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: been inundated with stats like this from Lewis through the years,

900
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: even when Kershaw was still playing along. And now with

901
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: this coming into his final year, he's got one more

902
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: start remaining at Dodger Stadium during the regular season, and

903
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: then probably one additional start at the very end of

904
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: the season on the road. After that, then we'll see

905
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: what they do in the playoffs because they this is

906
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: it's easy to forget that this Dodgers team entering the season,

907
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: there was a lot of outrage about how they had

908
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: totally like broken the system, that they had gone so

909
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: far and beyond it with their spending and with their

910
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: talent acquisition that other teams would not be able to compete.

911
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: And now they're in a situation where they have the

912
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: third best record in the National League where they're going

913
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs, but they are going to have

914
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: to go through every single round of it. They're not

915
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: going to have any shortcuts along the way, and as

916
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: much talent as they have overall, it's they're not even

917
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 1: a clear favorite necessarily to come out of the National

918
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: League going into it. We'll see the way that the

919
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: Phillies have performed for a lot of the here and

920
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: the way that the Brewers have performed for basically this

921
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: entire season. It's an interesting wrinkle to it where if

922
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: they are going to make it all the way, despite

923
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: what the preseason narrative was around them, it's not a

924
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: it's not a layup by any means for them to

925
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: actually gets even to October. They're really gonna They're going

926
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: to need. Even guys like Kershaw on his last legs,

927
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: his very last legs too, still have something left in

928
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: the tank to get over the top.

929
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 4: I wouldn't want to play him. I mean, to me,

930
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 4: everything you said is true, but look so well here

931
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 4: we go. This is this is the tweet I was

932
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 4: looking for. Sorry for my rudimentary screen share, and you're

933
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 4: you're doing this like a pro cutting out the picture.

934
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 4: But I mean, look at this since August. First, I

935
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 4: look at these names first of all, knowing like who

936
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 4: the people are, and then look at the performances August first.

937
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 4: I know it's not a huge sample size, but I

938
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 4: don't know, man, these see some of these guys in

939
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 4: the postseason. On top of the fact that you know,

940
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 4: you have the stars of the world, oh everybody out,

941
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 4: oh there you are, and though you also have Otani

942
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 4: at the play Freeman and all these guys, I mean,

943
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 4: I don't know. This to me is the best is

944
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 4: still the best team in baseball? I know the record

945
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 4: doesn't show it, but given the way the rotation is

946
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 4: coming together at this time and what just their overall

947
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 4: talent level is, we just forget that. The bats to arms,

948
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 4: I could see them really being tough to beat if

949
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 4: these guys stay on their current trajectory.

950
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you also can't and you kind of alluded

951
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 5: to this, but you also can't ignore the pedigree. Like

952
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 5: once you get into the playoffs and almost any sport, like,

953
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 5: it definitely matters who's been here and who hasn't been here,

954
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 5: And there's just certain teams, certain groups of guys that

955
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 5: you just trust that you just trust once they get

956
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 5: in there. This is largely the same lineup and largely

957
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 5: the same pitching staff the most part that won the

958
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 5: World Series last year. And you know, is it unfair

959
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 5: to the Brewers to say this? Probably a little bit,

960
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 5: But if it's come if it comes down to the

961
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 5: Dodger versus the Brewers in the LCS, like, I'm going

962
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 5: with the Dodgers just because I've seen them do it

963
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 5: and they've they've been there before. They just know how

964
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 5: to win. And I think that knowing how to win.

965
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 5: The pendulum for me has kind of swung back and

966
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 5: forth on this, where at first I thought knowing how

967
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 5: to win was like a cliche, but like the more,

968
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 5: I a lot of this comes from the hockey that

969
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 5: I watch, honestly, but I.

970
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that's like a panther's thing.

971
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 5: Yes, sports where some teams just they they do have it,

972
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 5: they just know how to win. And until I see

973
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 5: the Brewers come out of nowhere and actually do something

974
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 5: in the playoffs, I'm gonna continue thinking.

975
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 2: That there's horsepower too to it.

976
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 4: I think, you know, it's what the level goes up,

977
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 4: as we've seen, right, and when you had that ability

978
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 4: to really just crank it up from a talent raw

979
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 4: talent perspective, I think that makes a difference. Obviously the

980
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 4: Brewers got some extremely talented arms and talented players, but

981
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 4: the horse power that these guys bring to the table

982
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 4: both at the plate and you know, on the mound,

983
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 4: and I mean we'll see a tany and I now

984
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 4: feel that could be like a viral situation if something

985
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 4: goes goes in that direction.

986
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: But I don't know, man, I'm with you.

987
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 4: If the Brewers great team, great season, they do have

988
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 4: some really talented guys, But when it gets rough and

989
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 4: you're going to a whole other level of both experience

990
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 4: and just underlying talent, I think the Dodgers have a

991
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 4: different gear that they can get to it.

992
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: A couple of.

993
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 5: I mean, it was also something that was kind of

994
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 5: saw like twenty twenty three on a lesser scale, where

995
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 5: like the Marlins didn't have the most talent, but they

996
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 5: were pretty good. And they were also good against the

997
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 5: Phillies during the regular season for that season and a

998
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 5: couple of seasons before that. But then you get to

999
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 5: the playoffs, there's just a totally different time, totally different atmosphere.

1000
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 5: But also you were going up against the team that

1001
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 5: had been there before, it doesn't know how to do it.

1002
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 2: And stars that very quickly reminded you, hey, this is

1003
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: not you know, this is not August. You know, this

1004
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,919
Speaker 2: is this is something different. You could feel.

1005
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 4: I mean, you regard watching that series the atmosphere for sure,

1006
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 4: and then just like seeing some of their stars come

1007
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 4: to the plate, you're kind of like, Okay, this is different.

1008
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: At least that's how I felt watching that series.

1009
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: I still think about how close they just somehow, some way,

1010
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 1: like fluke their way into the next round of that series.

1011
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: I so badly wanted to see what playoff baseball looks

1012
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 1: like in Miami after not being at this new ballpark

1013
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: at any other point, and they had to get out

1014
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: of that round. Unfortunately, the way that it's set up is, Yeah,

1015
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 1: the Phillies were hosting all three games of that series,

1016
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: even if it made it to a third game. And yeah,

1017
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: I still think a whole lot about that because we

1018
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: had Isaac was on the scene covering that as well

1019
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. Had we had two reporters

1020
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: on the scene for that and all they were kind

1021
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: of pretty deflating to be there and make go all

1022
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: that way only to see the Marlin score maybe one

1023
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: run and both of those games combined, it was kind

1024
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: of a letdown.

1025
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 4: And no Sandy and no Yuri, right, so we were

1026
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 4: going and arise as banged ups like we didn't have,

1027
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 4: like because we're talking about having the underlying talent and

1028
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 4: the big guns and experience in Sandy's case, you know,

1029
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 4: those not having those guys to go against the guys

1030
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 4: that we were going against.

1031
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 2: It's like, you're just we were just so undermanned and

1032
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: you could you could feel the difference. But it's gonna

1033
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 2: be awesome playoffs.

1034
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 4: I mean, I wish hopefully we could get a part

1035
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 4: of it here and pull the pull the run of

1036
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 4: the century. You show that the formula is how it

1037
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 4: can happen. But there it is right there. At a minimum,

1038
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 4: I'd love to knock the Mets out. That's that's what

1039
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 4: I'd say, the Mets out of there?

1040
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: Is this.

1041
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 5: Eli's the only person that I think would know this

1042
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 5: off the top? Is this the first time the Marlins

1043
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 5: have closed out a season against the Mets since two

1044
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 5: thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, Because.

1045
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: I guarantee it, I think that's I feel like in

1046
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: I think two thousand and seven. In two thousand and eight,

1047
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: weren't Did the Marlins close out Shaye Stadiums as well?

1048
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 5: Yes, SOS opted to do a postgame celebration to close

1049
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 5: up the STA seat of a pre game celebration, So

1050
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 5: right after the Marlins stuck a sword into the Mets

1051
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 5: collapse that year, they have to go and celebrate the

1052
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 5: end of Shafe.

1053
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: Stadium, right. So Yeah, without being able to one hundred

1054
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: percent of verify it, I'm pretty sure this is the

1055
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: last time that it has at the very end of

1056
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: the season since that point. And to me, I continue

1057
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: to realistically, what you're hoping for is that the Mets

1058
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: that they end up spoiling the Mets chances versus one

1059
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: of these other teams. The likelihood of the Marlins themselves

1060
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: being the next team up to take advantage of that

1061
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: is it's so far fetched. You need all these other

1062
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: teams to be average, if not worse down the stretch,

1063
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: and you need this to be the best stretch of

1064
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: Marlins baseball ever. They have like a two week stretch

1065
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: that they've never had before where they've won, for them

1066
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: to win eleven of their final twelve game and all

1067
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: these other teams to kind of scuffle at the same time.

1068
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: So I laid it out for people. I didn't even

1069
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: have the My imagination doesn't go far enough to imagine

1070
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: an undefeated finish to the season because this team has

1071
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: never had a win streak anywhere close to long enough.

1072
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: I have to I have to actually, you know, pencil

1073
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: in one loss at some point over these last nine

1074
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: games at a very minimum, just because we haven't seen

1075
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: anything before quite like this. We've seen the Mets collapse,

1076
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: but not quite like this, and at least if they

1077
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: are going to collapse, more likely it's going to be

1078
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: to the benefit of one of these other teams that

1079
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,720
Speaker 1: are in between the Mets in the Worlds.

1080
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 5: The Rocky Is won like fifteen of their last sixteen

1081
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 5: in two thousand and seven and eight, right, so it's

1082
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 5: happened before. I don't expect them to do it. I

1083
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 5: just want to be very clear. I don't expect the

1084
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 5: Marvels to do it. The only thing that gives me

1085
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 5: the slightest bit of hope is you don't actually have

1086
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 5: to make up all this ground on the Mets. You

1087
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 5: only have to get to itin. You only have to

1088
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 5: gain three games over the next week, because then you

1089
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 5: control your own destiny. If the Mets coming to town,

1090
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 5: you are three.

1091
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 2: Back, No.

1092
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: Two. I want to bring this up from Sean because

1093
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: people wi't remember this promotion pretty clearly that towards the

1094
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: end of it must have been twenty twenty two that

1095
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 1: the Marlins were marketing to fans by saying they're marketing

1096
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: to the opposing fans towards the end of that season.

1097
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: This is twenty twenty two. I think they actually finished

1098
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: that year. I will double check right now. It was

1099
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: a home stand against the Braves and the Mets, and

1100
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: I feel like the Braves were the ones at the

1101
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: tail end of that. If I could just double check, yes,

1102
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: let's say it was. That's right. It was. The season

1103
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: ended against the Braves, but they were advertising the game

1104
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: to Mets fans so that Mets fans would come to

1105
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: watch the Braves like screw up towards the end of

1106
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: the year against the Marlins. This is very It was

1107
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: very unpopular and distasteful and desperate. Desperate is kind of

1108
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: the main word around it is that they were marketing

1109
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: to Mets because they were playing The Marlins are playing

1110
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: against the Braves. The one people in the ballpark that

1111
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: we're fans of the Mets to come and align themselves

1112
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: with the Marlins fans and hope for the Braves to

1113
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: lose because the Braves were on the cusp of clinching

1114
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: the division that year.

1115
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 5: I really respected that they took a swing on it.

1116
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 5: When you work in marketing, you got to take a

1117
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 5: swing up. Like I thought, the Steve Bartman appreciation weekend

1118
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 5: was very distasteful. I think calling all Mets fans is

1119
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 5: hilarious and yeah, obviously missed the mark, but like you

1120
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 5: got to take a risk sometimes.

1121
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: Very quickly. We should just touch on this upcoming games

1122
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: the Marlins have to play and have to win this

1123
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: weekends against the Rangers. There's a look at the next

1124
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: three starters it's the same rotation that they've had the

1125
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: past couple of weeks, Jansen Junk, Adam Major, and Yuri

1126
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: Perez coming up at Texas and the range of rotation

1127
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: not fully set at this time. They're in a desperate

1128
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: situation as well. Whether they're in one where at least

1129
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: they felt more realistic about their chances of getting into

1130
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: the postseason of a few days ago, but they just

1131
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: got swept by the Astros. They're down a couple of

1132
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: key key players on both sides of the ball at

1133
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: this point where they're in a similar spot for them,

1134
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: it's absolute must win and they certainly have more at

1135
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: stake this particular season than the Marlins do, so we

1136
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 1: will see how that goes. A reminder that old friend

1137
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 1: Skip Schumacher works for the Rangers. He is a senior

1138
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: advisor in their front office. This year, he did not

1139
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: hop right into another managerial job. He's widely expected to

1140
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: land one of these other managerial jobs during this upcoming offseason,

1141
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: but for now he is with the Rangers. Who knows,

1142
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: if Bruce Bochi retires then maybe Texas is he steps

1143
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 1: right in with Texas depending on how that's gone, But

1144
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: he is behind the scenes with the Rangers this year

1145
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: as a senior advisor, so it is a reunion. I'll

1146
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: be fine to see if he finds his way on

1147
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: the field at one point during the first during the

1148
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: games of this series and actually reconnects with some of

1149
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: his former players in person. We'll see if that actually

1150
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: happens at one point, because he's it's more of a

1151
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: front office role than any sort of coaching connection, but

1152
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: just sort of fresh people that Skip is still alive

1153
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: and still very passionate about what he does. And pretty soon,

1154
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: as soon as next year, they're gonna have to go

1155
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: against him as a manager after being managed by him

1156
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: in the previous couple of years.

1157
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 4: This is gonna be a pretty fun series because you know,

1158
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 4: Texas is closer than us, so they're gonna be very motivated.

1159
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 2: So this is gonna mean something here. My question to

1160
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 2: you guys is where are you guys on Mazer.

1161
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 4: Because obviously, young guy, we're gonna get Lefty heavy here

1162
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 4: pretty soon.

1163
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 2: Out of it'll happen fast.

1164
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 4: If we lose Cabrera, we're gonna be Weather's your hope

1165
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 4: and he's gonna be be a rock. And then we

1166
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 4: know who's on the horizon. So I think we need

1167
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 4: some right handers next year to really hold this down. Byer,

1168
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 4: I don't know what we're gonna get out of him.

1169
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 4: This is to me an important guy. Maybe I'm overthinking it,

1170
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 4: but where we at on Mazer and what we think

1171
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 4: he can be for us?

1172
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: Oh, you mentioned Max Meyer, and they have a lot

1173
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: in common besides coincidentally going to the same high school

1174
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: now actually coming from the same part of Minnesota as pitchers.

1175
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 1: I see a lot of the same strengths and flaws

1176
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: with them. With Maser when he's on, it's because his

1177
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 1: slader is nasty and he's able to get enough swings

1178
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: and misses that way. But yeah, the rest of his

1179
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,720
Speaker 1: pitch mix is kind of questionable. He has a deeper

1180
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: pitch mix than Max does, but it's really not a

1181
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: whole lot of places he could go do in terms

1182
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: of being able to get soft contact where he's either

1183
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: missing debts or he's getting hit very hard. And then

1184
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: a lot of his starts this year we've seen him

1185
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: get hit pretty hard. So there was that one exception.

1186
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: His most recent star was his best one where I

1187
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,919
Speaker 1: think he allowed zero earned runs. He had two runs,

1188
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: but there were both of them, like directly because of

1189
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 1: an error he made through six innings. He's yeah, I'm

1190
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: a little down on him based on the year he's had.

1191
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: He spent most of this year in Triple A, and

1192
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: he didn't really earn his spots to come up, like

1193
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: he just had a really ordinary year down there where

1194
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: he throws strikes. It's just that he's a lot of

1195
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: hard times in a way that I don't know exactly

1196
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: how he's gonna get around it. The low hanging fruit

1197
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: is that he is this incredibly skinny guy, and it

1198
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 1: feels like he could add a lot of good weight

1199
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: there even in his mid twenties, in a way that

1200
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: would benefit him in some way. But ultimately, I just

1201
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: don't know if there's well less his change up takes

1202
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 1: a pretty big step forward, or unless there's something about

1203
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: his fastball shape that changes. He's just a really hittable fastball.

1204
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: And that comes down to kind of the same issue

1205
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: that Max Meyer has, where even the velocity looks all right,

1206
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: and even if he's getting into some good counts, if

1207
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 1: it's a fastball that major league hitters, even if you

1208
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 1: have success with it in the minors, when he gets

1209
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 1: to the big leagues, guys are you need a lot

1210
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 1: of things to be working in your favor, and I

1211
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: think there's not a hole. I don't really see a

1212
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: high ceiling there where. I think he's fine for a

1213
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: guy that could be at the very back of your

1214
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: rotation and you feel fine about it. But it's he's

1215
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: somebody that I'd say next year is going to be

1216
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: a very pivotal year in his whole career in order

1217
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: to become something more than he is right now, because

1218
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: right now he's just a guy that because of injuries,

1219
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: this kind of fell into his lap and they'll have

1220
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: to approve a lot in twenty twenty six.

1221
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 2: We're have to mention Braxton Garrett too.

1222
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 4: I knew I was missing a lefty as another guy

1223
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 4: coming in next year, so I mean we got I mean,

1224
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 4: I know we're not left he heavy obviously right now,

1225
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 4: but I just looking forward, you can kind of see

1226
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 4: if you are able and you know.

1227
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 2: Pictures like it's hard to look too far in the future.

1228
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 4: But I mean, if you add Snelling and White somewhat

1229
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 4: early in the season, those guys are going to be

1230
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 4: playing consistently and you're gonna be either going to be

1231
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 4: basically the story of the year one way or the other,

1232
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 4: at least in terms of the pitching staff.

1233
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 2: So I don't know.

1234
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just if Cabrera goes down, we know

1235
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 4: we're gonna have Sandy, who looks like he's back.

1236
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 2: Hopefully we don't trade him.

1237
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 4: I think we need him if we want any chance

1238
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 4: next year, and then Yury Beyond that, I don't know,

1239
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know. I don't know who the

1240
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 4: next best right hander is besides those two. I guess Jack,

1241
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 4: you know Junk, but who knows.

1242
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 2: We're gonna get out out of.

1243
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: Hand a little bit further away. And the guy that

1244
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: the only guy that we'll be able to cover a

1245
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: few weeks from now when the season's over is Carson

1246
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: mill Brandt, who was a righty who had a very

1247
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: good year at High A and then kept promotes Double

1248
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: A and did well at the end of the year.

1249
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: He's going to the Arizona Fall League, and I would

1250
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: think if things go well there, he might get invited

1251
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: to Big league spring training. He's not realistically a candidate

1252
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: for the start of the year, but maybe by the

1253
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,919
Speaker 1: middle of the season Carson mill Brandt comes up he's

1254
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: got a very good fastball. His his strikeout numbers really

1255
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: took off this year. So I'm a fan of mill Brands,

1256
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: but he's still that's like a second half of the

1257
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: season type of guy, just because of his lack of

1258
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: upper miners experience. But you know, further down, further away,

1259
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: that's like I'm gonna say.

1260
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 2: He's an A plus this year, right the whole or

1261
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 2: a whole the whole time.

1262
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: Right.

1263
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 4: So I know there's a a friend of mine who

1264
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 4: will remain nameless, but he's a scout and he's not

1265
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 4: worked for the Marlins, but he loved mil Brandt before

1266
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 4: the season.

1267
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 2: That was his guy.

1268
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 4: He was always telling me about mill Brain's like this

1269
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 4: is the guy. I mean, obviously he liked White. He

1270
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 4: still believes in Meyer, but he was like, mill Brand's

1271
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 4: the guy to watch. So yeah, if he could make

1272
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 4: that make that jump, that'd be huge. Definitely, the stuff

1273
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 4: seems to be there. You mentioned this interesting we youre

1274
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 4: talk about Mazer and Meyer and then just the weight training,

1275
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 4: because then the article just come out in Baseball America

1276
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 4: whe they were talking about how our our basically our

1277
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 4: organizational philosophy has been very focused on strength and conditioning

1278
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 4: in the players development. So those are two right there

1279
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 4: are uri to me looks awesome body wise, you know,

1280
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 4: and Weathers is in better shape than he's been. So

1281
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 4: maybe those guys with a full off season of this.

1282
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 4: I know Meyer's rehabbing at the same time, but that'd

1283
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 4: be that could help them just putting on putting on

1284
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 4: some pounds.

1285
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now, people that follow our classform very closely

1286
00:59:56,520 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: will remember reporting that the team itself never actually Lee

1287
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: was willing to own up to, but we reported last

1288
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: summer that top draft pick PJ Orlando, he got hurt

1289
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: and missed so much accident, a wayless and competition during

1290
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: a rain delay during his first game. We're going to

1291
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: stand by that reporting the way that as you just

1292
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: referenced that Baseball America feature that came out that was

1293
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 1: very complimentary of the team and pointed to a lot

1294
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: of the positives about having these guys train as hard

1295
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: as they do. There are occasionally some risks that come

1296
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: along with that that we have we have covered and

1297
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: people keep in mind. So it's not there's no perfect

1298
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: strategy in terms of how to developed guys, but it

1299
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: kind of in hindsight, I think that only validates the

1300
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: story a little bit more, makes seem a little bit

1301
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,919
Speaker 1: more plausible that this team that is leaning so hard

1302
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: into the yeah, that the physicality aspect of it could

1303
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: in some instances push it a little bit too far.

1304
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 4: So I don't know if our guy crutches meditating over there,

1305
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 4: if he just got frozen with his eyes. He looks

1306
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 4: like he's in deep, deep thought, serene moment right there

1307
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 4: for our man Crutch. But uh, I got to give

1308
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 4: a shout out to Adrian Lorenzo. You know, ran international

1309
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 4: for the Marlins a couple of years ago and helped

1310
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 4: kind of build what's going on down there, uh in

1311
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 4: the Dominican Republic. And I know he won't praise himself,

1312
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 4: but I got to give him some props. We do

1313
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 4: the l Big League Show together, which if you're watching

1314
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 4: the show, you're a Marlins fan, want to learn more

1315
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 4: about Major League Baseball as a whole. Adrian is the best.

1316
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 4: I kind of just throw them. I throw him pitches

1317
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 4: and he he knocks them out. So does an awesome job.

1318
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 4: And our Big League Show again, big time experience with

1319
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,919
Speaker 4: the Red Sox and the and the Marlins, the high

1320
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 4: levels and and he definitely knows his stuff. But one

1321
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 4: thing that he he really helped set up was that

1322
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 4: that just that Dominican situation where we got to talk

1323
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 4: about right handers on the way. There are some big

1324
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 4: boys down there, the Franks getting a lot of press.

1325
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 4: But I've talked to people that there's everybody kind of

1326
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 4: has their own guy. You talk to different people and

1327
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 4: they all had their own fireballer there, like this guy's

1328
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 4: the guy is actually going to be the one.

1329
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of good talent down there.

1330
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 4: Obviously, they're not all going to get to the to

1331
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 4: the Miami Marlins potential trade bait. Some guys are gonna

1332
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 4: flame out, you know how it goes. But that's deeper

1333
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 4: on the horizon.

1334
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 2: But that's there.

1335
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 4: I'm I don't know, I'm feeling good the vibes you

1336
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 4: kind of killed with that, Sandy, because now that you

1337
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 4: mentioned it, I do remember that when he was again

1338
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 4: that was the playoff run, so that was a whole

1339
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 4: different kind of set of incentives and just pressures, and

1340
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know, maybe he was trying to

1341
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 4: pitch just because he wanted to be in the like

1342
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 4: be part of that run and he was going to

1343
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 4: just at least push it as far as it goes,

1344
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 4: and if it goes, it goes, he's getting the surgery. Anyways,

1345
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 4: I don't know what Eddie's situation is as far as

1346
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 4: why there's an urgency to throw just just to find

1347
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 4: out and then get the surgery while he has time

1348
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 4: to recover, I don't know. But other than that, which

1349
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 4: you just kind of killed the vibes on, I think

1350
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 4: the vibes are are awesome. And you know, we've talked

1351
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 4: about Ramirez getting going, which he was playing pretty horribly

1352
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 4: for a minute. So I think to finish Straw to

1353
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 4: get over the certain milestones he wanted to get just

1354
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 4: from a statistical standpoint, you know, with the twenty home

1355
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 4: runs plus and all that.

1356
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 2: I don't know. I like that gives me some optimism. Two,

1357
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 2: where do you think I'm putting you on the interview seat?

1358
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 2: But where do you think he ends up? Defensively? You

1359
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 2: just making the youngest DH in the game and do

1360
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 2: it that way? I heard first base. You know that's

1361
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 2: I know, it's not the easiest thing in the world.

1362
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 4: It's not like he has a natural affinity to it

1363
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 4: like a Hicks who's played in college or played in

1364
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 4: field in college. So how do you how do you

1365
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 4: see the Ramirest thing getting settled on defense?

1366
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: I have people that have watched our shows. I've been

1367
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 1: very skeptical of his defense from the time that he

1368
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: arrived sticking as a catcher. I did not understand. I

1369
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: can actually pull it up pretty soon that I said

1370
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 1: an over under on how many games he would catch,

1371
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 1: and it was basically over under seventy in his career,

1372
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: and he's about to hit seventy this season alone.

1373
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 2: Oh there you go at the end.

1374
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: But because yeah, it's gonna be, I think that's a

1375
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: good number, because I don't know if he'll ever catch

1376
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: again beyond this point, just given how many different areas

1377
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,439
Speaker 1: he's still deficient in. When it comes to that, I've

1378
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 1: the team's been consistent about this. I don't totally agree,

1379
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: but we've seen it now several examples where his full

1380
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 1: focus and every single rep that he takes inside and

1381
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: outside games has been at catcher instead of trying another position.

1382
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: They did with Xavier Edwards is a shortstop last year,

1383
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: and for a lot of this year they did it.

1384
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 1: They're doing it with Connor Norby this entire year at

1385
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: third base, even though he's struggling there as well. And

1386
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: I personally, I find it confusing because it's so valuable

1387
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: even from a young age. They have guys learning defensive

1388
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: versatility and prepare for other positions, and they just do

1389
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 1: not want to do it. They want these guys to

1390
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 1: fully focus on sticking at a premium position and if

1391
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 1: it doesn't work out, then they can like diversify their

1392
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: skills set well.

1393
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 4: I kind of push back on the two infielders because

1394
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 4: Edwards that to second base back to second base was quick, right,

1395
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 4: so he kind of that wasn't a hard transition back

1396
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 4: to second. And I don't know if Norby. You know,

1397
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 4: Norby's different, He's not athletic as that. I don't know

1398
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 4: if he would have a harder transition going back to

1399
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:53,439
Speaker 4: second from third.

1400
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 3: I mean, if you look at think about it this way,

1401
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 3: Norby is one of the worst offensive third basement in baseball.

1402
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 1: Yesterday he makes an on the first play of the game.

1403
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 3: They have a perfect opportunity, and as clean off the record,

1404
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 3: they have a perfect opportunity with examer editors on the

1405
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 3: il or on the ghostile until he returns from his

1406
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 3: RISS injury. So trying back at second base with Graham

1407
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 3: Polly also back off the il to put your best

1408
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 3: defender at third base. Minby's not gonna make the postseason,

1409
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 3: but they are mathematically still in it, and they should

1410
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 3: be trying to win every single game as possible, and

1411
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 3: they are not putting their best men in the best

1412
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 3: positions right now, so they are the most The thing

1413
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 3: that they're worried about the most with Ramirez with Norby

1414
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 3: is having them be the most valuable asset they can

1415
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 3: possibly be, And for Ramirez that's if he can catch,

1416
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 3: given the lack of catching in Major League Baseball, and

1417
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 3: with Norby, he is more valuable if you can play

1418
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 3: third base. To me, I personally don't know why they

1419
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 3: care so much about that right It just doesn't make

1420
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 3: much sense to me, especially when they're showing how much

1421
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 3: they can't do it.

1422
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: But that is just the explanation that I've got.

1423
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 3: He is way more valuable as a catcher than as

1424
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 3: the h Obviously at Norby, I really don't understand why

1425
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 3: they didn't try it in a second base. They've had

1426
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 3: the opportunity now with X out, that's the perfect time.

1427
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 6: But they're having the Tigers I now play second base.

1428
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 3: Set who can also play third base or anywhere else

1429
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 3: in the infield or anywhere else in the outfield. So

1430
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 3: it's not like they need to get to know they're

1431
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 3: in there and he has to play second base.

1432
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 1: He can play anywhere.

1433
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 3: Troy Johnson doesn't need to be in the lineup, for example.

1434
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 3: But here we are.

1435
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 4: Is he good on like because Norby's come back from injury?

1436
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 4: You think that factors in the fact that you know, hey,

1437
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 4: he's been playing third base all year, he's coming back

1438
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 4: from injury.

1439
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 2: We don't want to just throw him out there and

1440
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 2: do it that way.

1441
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 3: If they could have done this in Jacksonville, they could

1442
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 3: have had him play second base down there.

1443
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: But that is a good point.

1444
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 3: I wonder what happens in spring training. It's gonna be

1445
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 3: really fascinating spring training. It will be too many infielders,

1446
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 3: too many outfielders. And what Play said to me today

1447
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 3: was that it's a great problem to have. You have

1448
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 3: three guys that can play third base for you next

1449
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 3: year in Costa, Pauli and Norby. So it's gonna be

1450
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 3: a lot of competition.

1451
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 4: He's got a hit, he's got he's some hitting to

1452
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 4: do with the minors first, but by by you know,

1453
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 4: all star bards, like basically, you know what you saw

1454
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 4: these other.

1455
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 2: Guys come up. Did that happen the other cultures last year?

1456
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 1: It's not fair, but just given this team's history of

1457
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 1: their top picks and how quickly, especially their college bats

1458
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 1: in previous years, I think called so sure would speed

1459
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 1: through the minors and the impact guys right away. It

1460
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 1: hasn't happened. So, even though this is a different administration

1461
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: and different sort of player, I don't want to put

1462
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: that kind of expectations on him. Even though it is

1463
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 1: a possibility, it's it's fair to say that he's a

1464
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: guy that potentially could be in that mixed relatively soon.

1465
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 1: I wouldn't count on I wouldn't. I don't want to

1466
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 1: him to have any sort of specific expectations for twenty

1467
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 1: twenty six.

1468
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 4: Camp Smith spoiled us because I remember, I mean I

1469
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 4: remember I'm a Hurricane baseball fan as well. I remember

1470
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 4: seeing Nick Kurtz and camp Smith and all those guys

1471
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 4: the year before, and then like literally the next year,

1472
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 4: I mean, camp Smith was Opening Day and Kurts.

1473
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 2: You see what he's done. It's like a caglio. Another

1474
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 2: one that played Miami.

1475
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I are seeing those guys at the light

1476
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 4: and the next year, I think I saw all three

1477
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 4: of them actually a low depot, like literally year to year.

1478
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 2: It's pretty crazy when you think about it.

1479
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 4: I know, our cat tore it up enough in this

1480
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 4: little this is so do you read that much into

1481
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 4: these kind of half seasons for these college kids or

1482
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 4: do you wait more for next year?

1483
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm waiting for it. In fact, I was more

1484
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,799
Speaker 1: impressed with his defense this year than his hitting. Overall,

1485
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 1: I was. I was surprised by how decent he looked

1486
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 1: at shortstop. With that, without being too rude, he has

1487
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 1: a very weird body, was speaking of, like the the

1488
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 1: emphasis of this organization is putting on that physicality. He's

1489
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 1: He's the guy that could afford to put on a

1490
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:36,680
Speaker 1: lot of weight, especially on his legs as well. It

1491
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:39,799
Speaker 1: is a weird sort of frame, but it works for him.

1492
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,639
Speaker 2: And basketball player, right.

1493
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 1: I've seen some of the highlights from when he was

1494
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 1: a basketball player too. He's an interesting guy, but I

1495
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: feel like he's still a little while away from being

1496
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 1: the best version of himself. Compared to Cam Smith for example.

1497
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're right, You're right, I'm trying to push

1498
01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:00,080
Speaker 4: it too fast, but man, it'd.

1499
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 2: Be nice to have a third base.

1500
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 4: I mean, Grand Paula looks the part at third base,

1501
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 4: so that one looks looks right. Man, it'd be nice

1502
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 4: to have a to have an arquete somewhere in that

1503
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 4: mix by at some point next year. I don't want

1504
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 4: to be too aggressive, but if we're dreaming about next season,

1505
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 4: how it could go.

1506
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 2: That's that's as we talk about Norby being.

1507
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 4: A second base and playing third all year, that kind

1508
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,679
Speaker 4: of that's where my brain goes. And I'll look shortstop

1509
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 4: to who knows, who knows what happened at Lopez. You know,

1510
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 4: we got real excited there for a second when he

1511
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 4: was in the middle of the year. I think he's

1512
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:31,679
Speaker 4: come back down to earth a little bit, but still

1513
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 4: a solid option there.

1514
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 1: But all things considered, he's still having He's he's still

1515
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 1: a solid shortstop. He's can I mean, it looks legit,

1516
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,679
Speaker 1: even though even if the ceiling is not super duper

1517
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: high for him as an overall player, it's he's he's

1518
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 1: the guy that you can. That's a nice that's a

1519
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 1: nice guy to have in place. And then if something

1520
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 1: if you developed a true transcendent talent to surpass him,

1521
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: then even better. But what Otto has done now in

1522
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 1: the second year has been a any reasonable expectations. That's

1523
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 1: a guy that is really helping them win. The hell

1524
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 1: are you thirty two?

1525
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 2: You're thirty two?

1526
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 1: Eli?

1527
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 3: Holy shit? Okay, cool, cool.

1528
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 4: So I'm pulling up and I'm pretty sure this is

1529
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:22,799
Speaker 4: going to be right. That the Edwards and Otto Lopez

1530
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 4: combined War and you compare it to Alice Gonzalez and

1531
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 4: Luis Castill combined War w win the championship, I'm not saying.

1532
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 2: And I think a direct comparison.

1533
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 4: They just kind of look alike, right because of just

1534
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 4: the switch and the running, and then Gonzalez being a

1535
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 4: right hander and just kind of be a kind of strong,

1536
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:41,719
Speaker 4: shorter guy. I'm pretty sure that if you combine Edwards

1537
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 4: and Lopez War this season, it's way more than Gonzalez

1538
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 4: and Castillo. Not as good defensively, maybe just overall because

1539
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 4: they were so spectacular on that side, but I bet

1540
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 4: it's probably higher.

1541
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: It's in the same neighborhood.

1542
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:55,599
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1543
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. With X he kind of ran into that slump

1544
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 1: right before he got hurt, and then we're getting hurt

1545
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 1: kind of takes away from that, but yeah, Otto as

1546
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 1: a whole, he's pretty close to we really.

1547
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 2: Like six plus combined.

1548
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 4: I don't think Castillo and Gazalez were six plus war combined.

1549
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:16,679
Speaker 1: You can look at this up easily. I would.

1550
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 2: Let's see, let's see what I'm sorry for hijacking the show.

1551
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 2: I'm just curious.

1552
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 4: So Gonzales at an O three was one point three.

1553
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 4: This is a baseball reference. And Louis Castillo recent Hall

1554
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 4: of Famer or what was it, let's see what was

1555
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 4: that he was in two thousand and three.

1556
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 2: Old. I'm sorry, I'm hijacking the show.

1557
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 4: Because it's it's directing me to our to our boy

1558
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 4: that we traded, so Louis Castillo and to the other

1559
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 4: Louis Castille in two thousand and three four point four war,

1560
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 4: so pretty similar. I think that's like right on the button.

1561
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 2: I think that might be equal. So I'm just saying,

1562
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 2: I'm just.

1563
01:11:54,000 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 1: Saying absolutely fair enough. No, I'll very quickly show the

1564
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 1: people what you're referring to.

1565
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 2: Sorry, I had to take it on. It was on Buffalos.

1566
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 2: Now I'm on two thousand and three war stats.

1567
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 4: But I'm just saying, because like visually they look similar

1568
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 4: like because of the Castillo and Edwards. They just have

1569
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 4: similarities in their profile. Castillo more talented version and good

1570
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 4: Dolls just like they have similar builds, similar handedness.

1571
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 3: To me, well not to I have to go so,

1572
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 3: but another middle infield war comparison. I'd be interested in

1573
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 3: his twenty fifteen Etcheverria and Dee Gordon was like, they

1574
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 3: have to be up there. That's the year that Gordon

1575
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:43,520
Speaker 3: won the batting title at Chevera, had his best season offensively.

1576
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 3: I thought it was twenty fourth, but no, I look back,

1577
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 3: he was twenty fifteen where he hit really well and

1578
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 3: he obviously did what he usually does defensively. I think

1579
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 3: that's another good comp for Miami's middle infield.

1580
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, two point six for Cheva that year. Good call.

1581
01:12:58,200 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 1: That was at Tavia's best season man.

1582
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,680
Speaker 2: And then Dee Gordon what was he four point four?

1583
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, stuts, that was Miami's best man in the fields.

1584
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 1: Don't have me, Yeah that was that's that's that's good.

1585
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 2: That was a good one. Yeah man.

1586
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 4: And uh now there was some extra circumstances going on there,

1587
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:19,720
Speaker 4: but potentially, but.

1588
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 2: It was fun to watch, that's for sure. Look at

1589
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 2: this roster. Man, it's amazing.

1590
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 4: Between those guys and had a good year too that

1591
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 4: year three point four. Maybe Proto is like a best

1592
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 4: case scenario for Norby.

1593
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 2: I don't see that.

1594
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 1: I don't.

1595
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't see that talent level on.

1596
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 1: Either side of the ball.

1597
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,719
Speaker 3: Proto's hit tool was just so special with the Braves,

1598
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 3: and like that first year with the Marlins that Norby

1599
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 3: he just has.

1600
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 1: You should have his at bats yesterday.

1601
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 3: He had a better day yesterday than he did on

1602
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 3: Tuesday and his first game back, and you know, let's

1603
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 3: let's remember he's just coming up back off the aisle.

1604
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,560
Speaker 1: But I, I really.

1605
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 3: All the things that worried us, and is really two

1606
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 3: months in twenty twenty four where you you know, took

1607
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:06,599
Speaker 3: the world on fire, sort of coming up the service level,

1608
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 3: showing us that there's a little bit of downside with

1609
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:11,600
Speaker 3: the bat unfortunately, but he's still young and there is

1610
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 3: upside with the power at least.

1611
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 4: But you you with this twenty fifteen, man, I do

1612
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,720
Speaker 4: not remember just how bad this this starting lineup was.

1613
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 4: The starting rotation was holy moly, yeah, man, ugh h.

1614
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 4: Tom Kohler was holding it down. Man, This was this

1615
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 4: was rough. We had Brad Hand before he became an

1616
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 4: All Star in the pen. This was a sorry for

1617
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 4: hijacking the show again, but man, this is it's so

1618
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 4: amazing looking back on this when you look at some

1619
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:45,839
Speaker 4: of the names and how good they're still playing. Between Ozuna,

1620
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 4: Yelich and Stanton and real Muto obviously, what's a cool

1621
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 4: memory lane. You know, it's it's September eighteenth when we're

1622
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 4: pulling out twenty fifteen stuff, but.

1623
01:14:57,080 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 1: We're still in the hunt fishing staff for you right there.

1624
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.

1625
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 1: On the position, as you reference, on the hitting side,

1626
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 1: some of those guys are still around, still good big leaguers,

1627
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 1: whereas on the pitching side, all these guys are long gone.

1628
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 1: They are playing golf with Isaac.

1629
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 2: At this point.

1630
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 4: That Jared co Star trade, we don't talk about that

1631
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 4: trade enough as one of the worst trades we made.

1632
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 4: I gotta say, Jared Costar, what do you give up

1633
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 4: for him? I know we gave up Kek Hernandez.

1634
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 1: That must have met Colin Moran in that deal.

1635
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 4: Baristic in those as you know what those guys ended

1636
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 4: up being. The guy that ended up beating the best

1637
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 4: player was was was Kek who is the least talking

1638
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 4: about guy in that trade.

1639
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, we we spoke about him in the dugout with

1640
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 3: Clayton and Kelly Saco and Miami's radio due to Puerto

1641
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:43,760
Speaker 3: Rican Heritage Night at Lone Depo Park, and we were

1642
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 3: asked who has the most career home runs for Puerto

1643
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 3: Rican War players? And then we asked who has the.

1644
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 1: Most postseason home runs?

1645
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 3: And we landed on Beltron, Right, but I think Hernandez

1646
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,840
Speaker 3: may have more postseason home runs than Carols Beltron, which

1647
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 3: was like, geez.

1648
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 2: Man, like like that guy just hit. He was in

1649
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 2: the postseason every.

1650
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:05,560
Speaker 3: Year, Enriquet Hernandez. So yeah, a lot of opportunities to

1651
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 3: go yard.

1652
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 2: I say, have you guys made the uh the so

1653
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 2: noha Hernandez comparison. Yet I wish there was more power, dude,

1654
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 2: he's hitting it. He's not that I mean, how old

1655
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 2: is he? He's twenty two, so.

1656
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 1: He just turned twenty three. But it's not like he's

1657
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 1: getting any taller. That's it's really small.

1658
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 4: But so k Hernandez was his power level at that

1659
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 4: age because he was good already at that age.

1660
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 2: He was he he was younger than I thought when

1661
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 2: he broke out.

1662
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. The thing is the Snoho and he's

1663
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:40,600
Speaker 1: coming up in the Marlins system. There were only obnoxious

1664
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 1: comparisons to Altuve just because of how he was and

1665
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:46,720
Speaker 1: just because they're both Venezuelan, and just because he was

1666
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 1: so young when you reached the Major's just like al

1667
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,680
Speaker 1: tub was, and Altuve is a guy that in the

1668
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 1: middle of his career suddenly became an above average power hitter.

1669
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:57,680
Speaker 1: But those are the exceptions, not the norm. Guys like

1670
01:16:57,720 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 1: al Tuove and even Keys to a certain extent, he

1671
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 1: so far better. He became so much better of a

1672
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:04,680
Speaker 1: player than anybody could have reasonably thought when he was

1673
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 1: a prospect. People didn't seem as a guy that would

1674
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 1: have a decade long, pic large career. So even though

1675
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 1: those those are examples, I don't want to put expectations

1676
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 1: like that on on particular guys. That's a that's a

1677
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 1: best case scenario around a while. But I don't think

1678
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 1: the power elements is gonna come along all that much.

1679
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 1: If I had some guess.

1680
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 4: Age twenty two season for so Oha, I think Keik

1681
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 4: was the same age when he came out. He can't

1682
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 4: he hit the miners with the Marlins and then we

1683
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:33,680
Speaker 4: traded him. He had he had a good year that year,

1684
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:35,679
Speaker 4: hit one point six war that year, so he actually

1685
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 4: had a really good first year. So know how they

1686
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 4: got him one point three amusing ESPN here five home

1687
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 4: runs for Sonoha for Keek we got three total home runs.

1688
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:47,839
Speaker 4: Ga had a better slug and just a better overall ops.

1689
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 4: But you know, had some ups and downs at times,

1690
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 4: and then you know, we know what he what, he's

1691
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 4: what he's done since.

1692
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 2: But I don't know.

1693
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 4: I mean, he has more power than I thought, so Oha,

1694
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 4: Like if you're up comparing how we how I think

1695
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 4: about him now, power wise, how I thought about him,

1696
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 4: you know a year and a half ago, when he

1697
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 4: was really making ways. I mean I wouldn't have thought

1698
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 4: he had five home runs like he's.

1699
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 2: Hit and some good ones.

1700
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:15,599
Speaker 1: You say, five home runs, like I said, I mean

1701
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 1: for a twenty.

1702
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 2: Two year old just utility dude, I didn't. I mean

1703
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 2: I didn't think he would be hitting it as hard.

1704
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 4: I don't know the stack cast on him, but I

1705
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:25,799
Speaker 4: thought it was going to be, you know, like Edwards

1706
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 4: quite frankly, I didn't think he was going to have

1707
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 4: any kind of pop whatsoever, with how how tall is he.

1708
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 4: I mean, he's a small dude. He's got a five

1709
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:37,679
Speaker 4: to seven he I don't know. I would be so chocked.

1710
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,719
Speaker 4: Let's Seekika. So Kiki didn't hit double digit home runs

1711
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 4: until his fifth year and then eventually became a guy

1712
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 4: that had a couple of twenty home run seasons. I'm

1713
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 4: just saying, this guy has made some nice contact this year,

1714
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 4: and obviously we know he's going to get the bat

1715
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 4: to the ball, but he's hit.

1716
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 2: I'd love to see the stack cast.

1717
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 4: You know, you're laughing. You don't think there it is

1718
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 4: right there, it in the chat, but you don't know.

1719
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 4: You don't think he is each of more power that

1720
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:04,639
Speaker 4: you expected. Let's put it that way.

1721
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 1: It's a tiny bit more because there was I did

1722
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 1: not think there'd be any homers in the opposite field,

1723
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 1: and he said at least one of those this year.

1724
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 1: I remember it must have been somewhere ran in the

1725
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 1: very middle of the year where he had an oppo

1726
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 1: at loan Depot in a way that that I didn't

1727
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 1: think he was capable of that particular one. But he's

1728
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 1: a guy that I always I had seen him in

1729
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 1: the miners where he pulls the ball in the area

1730
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 1: is just enough to get it over the wall. All

1731
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 1: things considered, it's been kind of what I thought. He's

1732
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 1: actually been better defensively than I thought he would be,

1733
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:38,759
Speaker 1: just because there if asked them to play every single position,

1734
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:42,200
Speaker 1: including pitcher, but every other position as well, I didn't

1735
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:45,640
Speaker 1: think he'd be as plus a defender. Who want me

1736
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 1: to go in somebody noha analysis. The one thing that

1737
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 1: I was expecting more of him is as a base runner.

1738
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 1: He's not a good bass runner at this stage of

1739
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:58,639
Speaker 1: his career. People stereotype him as this this speedy, tiny

1740
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 1: guy and just a boom that somebody like that is

1741
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:03,240
Speaker 1: going to be effective as a base runner, and he

1742
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 1: he doesn't steal very often and he doesn't get good

1743
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 1: reads off of pitchers. In the minors, he was the

1744
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 1: guy that put a big stolen base totals, but was

1745
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,760
Speaker 1: also inefficient, and I could tell he's just a little

1746
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 1: raw from that aspect. So that is this is one

1747
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 1: area where you kind of in your mind you assume

1748
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 1: he's a guy that'll be useful running laden games, and

1749
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 1: that hasn't been the case this year. He hasn't really

1750
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 1: helped them win games in that situation, and I think

1751
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 1: there's the potential for him to get better at that

1752
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 1: going in next year and beyond. I like that.

1753
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 4: I like that he's airmail some throws too that I

1754
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 4: don't know if he's overcompensating or what, but he's I've

1755
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 4: been there for a few that he has just sent sailing,

1756
01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:43,360
Speaker 4: particularly when he's when he's played shortstop.

1757
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:44,680
Speaker 2: But I like him.

1758
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:46,600
Speaker 4: Again, maybe I'm being a little tongue of cheek with

1759
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 4: the geek heernandez comparison, but if you look at them

1760
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:51,720
Speaker 4: age to age, there are some similarities in terms of

1761
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:55,680
Speaker 4: just their their performance. And I don't know, he's I

1762
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 4: feel better about him as a hitter than I thought

1763
01:20:57,600 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 4: I would, especially when he first came up and he

1764
01:20:59,920 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 4: was he was swinging and missing a lot. You're like,

1765
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:03,600
Speaker 4: is he just gonna be overwhelmed by these guys? But

1766
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 4: I think he's his adjustment that he's made since that.

1767
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 2: First I don't know, you remember his first month. It

1768
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 2: was like hard to watch when he first came up.

1769
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 1: I was not convinced he's gonna stick on this roster

1770
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 1: for the entire season. The way he has, He's one

1771
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 1: of a few guys on this roster that has been

1772
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 1: healthy and it's also not been demoted at any point

1773
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 1: and in itself has exceeded my expectations.

1774
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think he can get better. It's what

1775
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 2: I'm saying. If he can put the bat on the ball.

1776
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 2: He's shown some flashes there with with with being able

1777
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:33,200
Speaker 2: to drive it a little bit. And he just he

1778
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 2: just looks seeing a person.

1779
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 4: He doesn't look like a bum. You know, he looks

1780
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 4: pretty explosive, you know. I just I like the way

1781
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 4: he looks. I'm that's one of my one of my

1782
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:43,600
Speaker 4: hidden kind of happy things about the season. And so

1783
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 4: know what, it looks like he'll be at least one

1784
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 4: of those guys that you can keep around it and

1785
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 4: he can help you win games. And I mean controllable

1786
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 4: for quite a while. So he's gonna be I think

1787
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 4: he'll be all. We'll look back at his war and

1788
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 4: just his overall contribution and be like, you know, this

1789
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 4: guy helped us win some games.

1790
01:21:57,640 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 2: So I'm I'm I'm the one man to know.

1791
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 4: Uh, fan base have a front a couple of friends, scouts,

1792
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 4: UH and Andrews this race too.

1793
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 2: They say, you know, clpqut little player, But I know

1794
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 2: I like this guy.

1795
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 4: I hope we don't trade him for some middling the

1796
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 4: starter like Cosart who pous it does nothing.

1797
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 1: That's true, that's herre all right. We got one final

1798
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 1: segment to get to right here. For anybody that's somehow

1799
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 1: still sticking around with us, at this point, it is

1800
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 1: prediction time. This is prodiction time.

1801
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:31,640
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna win a lot of games, a

1802
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 2: lot more games than you think we're gonna win.

1803
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 1: This year, Bruce has been on it. There was a middle.

1804
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:40,559
Speaker 1: There's a chunk of the last month or so where

1805
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 1: people were laughing at him the other way around. At

1806
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:47,560
Speaker 1: this point, eleven wins ahead of last year, already with

1807
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 1: still nine games left to go. All season long, we've

1808
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 1: been keeping track of people's predictions on Prediction Time. Our staffers,

1809
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 1: our last Yeam guests, and are valued super subs. They

1810
01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:59,400
Speaker 1: predict how many games Marlins are going to win. Who's

1811
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 1: gonna be this series MVP three series lefts to go.

1812
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 1: Our own staffer, Hector Rodriguez, has two points up in

1813
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 1: first place. At this point. I am nowhere to be seen,

1814
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:12,640
Speaker 1: well below the cutoff here, mathematically eliminated, but still some

1815
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:15,559
Speaker 1: people alive. As we head into the final three series.

1816
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 1: This Rangers won a three game set. I'm gonna get

1817
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 1: the music ready. I gotta get my background set up

1818
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 1: as well. It's just gonna be Danny and I on

1819
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 1: this one, and we'll add everybody else's later. So I

1820
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 1: laid it out. Danny, this is your first time on here,

1821
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 1: but you're just gonna tell me how many games the

1822
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:33,599
Speaker 1: Marlins are gonna win. Who's gonna be the series MVP.

1823
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 1: Could be from either team, could be a hitter or pitcher,

1824
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 1: and it just give us a little explanation in terms

1825
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: of why you're leaning that way.

1826
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 4: All right, we're going for the Ranger series, all right,

1827
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 4: So for the Ranger series, let's see.

1828
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 2: I like us taking two out of three. I think

1829
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 2: we're rolling.

1830
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna turn around the vibes. The vibes are there,

1831
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 4: so I'm gonna keep him going. I think definitely Uri

1832
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 4: Perez gonna have a statement start here as he is

1833
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 4: rounding back into form.

1834
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 2: So I got this series MVP.

1835
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 4: It's gonna be Uri Perez, just for how I predict

1836
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 4: they dominant start something like seven innings, ten strikeouts, you know,

1837
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:12,719
Speaker 4: really really getting his momentum back and at the plate.

1838
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 4: Let's let's go with a big hit by ShaSS. I'll

1839
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:17,559
Speaker 4: just hyping them up too. But yeah, it's two out

1840
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 4: of three and the series MVP uri. I think I

1841
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:22,680
Speaker 4: got all the all the predictions on there. If I

1842
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 4: miss one, let me know, I'll fill it in. But

1843
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 4: that's what that's what I'm going with. I just I'm

1844
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 4: riding the vias man. I wish I could be more

1845
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:31,760
Speaker 4: more analysis other than I'm feeling good.

1846
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:33,559
Speaker 2: The Texas is gonna be charged up there in the race.

1847
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 4: They got a chance to really make a push here,

1848
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 4: so you're gonna see the best Texas Rangers.

1849
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 2: But I think miam Is gonna feel that energy.

1850
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 4: They're gonna ride with it, and they got nothing to

1851
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:45,599
Speaker 4: lose and they're still playing a hard ball, competitive ball,

1852
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 4: so I like our momentum.

1853
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 2: I think we take two out of three.

1854
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 1: Alrighty, And I've laid up the playoff scenarios. Realistically, Marlins

1855
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 1: need a lot of help and they need to win

1856
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 1: almost all their games. Maybe one loss down the street

1857
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 1: and they can still hang on to a dream a

1858
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:06,680
Speaker 1: little chance of them getting in. So I'll say that

1859
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 1: they have that one loss in this series, but do

1860
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 1: win two out of three, taking yet another series and

1861
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:14,600
Speaker 1: playing generally good ball as we head on down the

1862
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 1: stretch for Series MVP. For whatever reason, I have not

1863
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 1: been willing to lean into him, but Jacob Marcy has

1864
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:24,480
Speaker 1: been so consistently good. He won Series MVP in Colorado,

1865
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 1: and I think he's gonna do it again and just

1866
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 1: be valuable enough in that lineup enough to make the

1867
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 1: difference as they keep their hopes alive heading into what

1868
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 1: will be the final week of the season. And yeah,

1869
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 1: another step in the right direction for this Marlins team.

1870
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 1: As we had to the end of twenty twenty five,

1871
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 1: that has been one of the longest streams we've done

1872
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 1: this year, and so we probably could have chopped that

1873
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 1: up into two and given people exactly what they wanted.

1874
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,240
Speaker 1: But Danny had a whole lot on your minds.

1875
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 4: And no, man, there are the shows. So I have

1876
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:00,040
Speaker 4: a fun I love that. I love this man, and

1877
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,200
Speaker 4: I do. I do podcasts all day, just on the canes.

1878
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 2: Really.

1879
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:04,519
Speaker 4: In the meantime, I'm checking, you know, what's up with

1880
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:07,680
Speaker 4: the Skycarps. So it's it's it's fun for me to

1881
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:09,720
Speaker 4: be on here. Sorry if I talked a lot, but yeah, man,

1882
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 4: I was charged up.

1883
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 1: He and you'll catch him on l Big leagu Show.

1884
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 1: When's the next episode of that? Because I always catch

1885
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 1: it after the fact. I've never Yeah, we recorded a.

1886
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:19,640
Speaker 4: Bunch, so I think the next couple of episodes are

1887
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 4: gonna more interviews, you know. We talked to We talked

1888
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:28,640
Speaker 4: to Las Gutierrez who is the pitching coach for the

1889
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:29,599
Speaker 4: Miami Hurricanes.

1890
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 2: Wasn't really just talking about her, you know, hurricane stuff.

1891
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 2: It was more about.

1892
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:36,840
Speaker 4: Just he does a lot of mental skills training and

1893
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:41,040
Speaker 4: just big, big picture items like that. Also talked to

1894
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:45,759
Speaker 4: Brian Abraham, who is the director of UH player Development

1895
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 4: for the Boston Red Sox. Only toure I get exact

1896
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 4: tyl right, but he's the player development guy UH for

1897
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 4: the Red Sox obviously, and he's top of the he's

1898
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 4: top of the chain there, so Big time Baseball really

1899
01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 4: interested to hear his thoughts and trying to think of

1900
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 4: something he said that was that was real interesting. But

1901
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 4: really he was another one that you're talking about Boston

1902
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 4: Red Sox, top of the foods, and he was talking

1903
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 4: a lot about physicality as well, not just you know,

1904
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:08,559
Speaker 4: scouting it, but developing it with.

1905
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:10,639
Speaker 2: The players that he has.

1906
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 4: And he gave me some little league dad coaching advice.

1907
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 4: You know, everybody, every little league dad says to uh,

1908
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 4: to swing anything close on a three to two count

1909
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 4: to your kids, and he's saying, don't don't get that.

1910
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:24,000
Speaker 4: Don't give that bad advice at the little league level

1911
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 4: because with the fix, their swing decisions by the time

1912
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:28,000
Speaker 4: they get out here. So swing of strikes is his uh,

1913
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:30,639
Speaker 4: his mo o. But it was awesome conversation.

1914
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 2: That was a long one too.

1915
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 4: So if you want to get into the mind of

1916
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:37,800
Speaker 4: a big league caliber player development dude, that's a great one.

1917
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 2: Brian Abrahm.

1918
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 4: So I'm not sure whiche's gonna drop first, but we'll

1919
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 4: be dropping those interviews over the next couple of weeks.

1920
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:45,160
Speaker 1: Awesome, I'll be checking it out. And we got to

1921
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 1: have you back in the future for sure because you

1922
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 1: were a great guest on this one. Elis Usman, Danny

1923
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