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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. Breakfast Club morning.

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Speaker 2: Everybody is DJ Envy, Jess hilarious, Charlamagne the guy we

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Speaker 2: are to Breakfast Club lay the ross of filling in

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Speaker 2: for Jess. And we got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed,

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Speaker 2: Vivic Ramswami welcome.

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Speaker 1: How you doing man, How you feeling?

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Speaker 3: You know, I would say pretty good, except for my

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Speaker 3: two year old, who usually sleeps really well when he

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Speaker 3: comes to New York City. The kid does not sleep,

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Speaker 3: and so when he doesn't sleep, my wife and I

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Speaker 3: don't sleep. But other than that, the noise, excitement, excitement,

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Speaker 1: He loves it here.

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Speaker 4: He was.

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Speaker 1: He was happy this morning.

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Speaker 3: But twelve am to about four am, yeah, we were

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Speaker 3: up playing trucks man.

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Speaker 1: But all good doing well.

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Speaker 4: This is your first interview on what you said like

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Speaker 4: a month.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been't I haven't been. You know, a lot

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Speaker 3: a lot going on, but I haven't been out on media.

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Speaker 3: But you know, people are gonna be hearing more from.

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Speaker 1: Me starting now.

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Speaker 3: Why not you called me, uh over the weekend, I

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Speaker 3: told you happened to be in the city. So this

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Speaker 3: worked out well?

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Speaker 4: Well, we'll tell us a vic what happened with dog.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the congratulations on it job, Thank you man, I

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Speaker 3: appreciate It's not my job right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm moving on to my next No, it was.

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Speaker 4: It was.

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Speaker 1: It was a slightly.

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Speaker 3: Different vision from where we started to where we landed.

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Speaker 1: And it's not that it's you know, one's right.

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Speaker 3: Or wrong, but if you take a look at where

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Speaker 3: we began, right DOJ is going to be an outside

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Speaker 3: body to the government. One of my core areas of

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Speaker 3: focus throughout has been the constitutional and legal basis for

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Speaker 3: shutting down the bureaucracy and the federal government and downsizing it.

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Speaker 3: That's what I focus written my books on, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: It evolved in more of a direction of a technology

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Speaker 3: project using a technology first approach, and so Elon and

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Speaker 3: I were on good terms, we have good personal relationship,

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Speaker 3: slightly different approaches to the project. And what he and

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Speaker 3: I both concluded, and I think this is right is

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Speaker 3: given my focus on law on legislation, the right way

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Speaker 3: that's what I'm going to be pursuing. We have an

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Speaker 3: announcement I'll be coming up in the next month, but

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Speaker 3: that's my next path. The Government of Ohio about that

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Speaker 3: that's coming up soon, but that was where we all landed.

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Speaker 3: Was the right way to do this for me was

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Speaker 3: if I'm focused on constitutional law, deregulation, legislation to downsize government.

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Speaker 3: That's been my vision for a long time. Let me

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Speaker 3: realize that I'm my own two feet through elected office.

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Speaker 3: At the same time, I'm happy to have helped over

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Speaker 3: within the government. Now it's not outside the government. It

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Speaker 3: made all the sense in the world to make this

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Speaker 3: the time that we went separate ways.

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Speaker 5: So it was true there was an exclusive report in

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Speaker 3: So I would say that we arrived at it pretty mutually,

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Speaker 1: So there's actually a law, it's called the Hatch Act.

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Speaker 3: Boring stuff, but you literally can't run for office while

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Speaker 1: Unless you're the president or vice president.

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Speaker 3: I've been committed to this path of likely running for

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Speaker 1: That's why we did it.

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Speaker 2: Now, you did say it. The last couple of months,

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Speaker 2: you've been focused on getting Trump in office. So now

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Speaker 1: You know, I really think he's off to a pretty

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Speaker 3: I mean, you think about most presidents, they take a

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Speaker 3: And I think there's a reason for that, which is

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Speaker 3: he in some ways is coming in for a second term.

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Speaker 3: But I actually do think those four years of being

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Speaker 3: Good thing for the country. If you travel the country

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Speaker 3: People, especially business owners, small business owners, that tell you

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Speaker 3: very serious about the border, and you know, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think it's been a lot of pretty good moves

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Speaker 2: What don't you like if there's one thing that you

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Speaker 3: So, I will say in the first in the first

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Speaker 3: of difference in opinion. There's really nothing in that first week.

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Speaker 3: All of this stuff struck me as very common sense.

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Speaker 3: And when you think about what's going to actually make

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Speaker 3: people's lives better, that's where I'm focused. Okay, economically in

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Speaker 3: terms of reducing crime, in terms of fixing our border.

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Speaker 3: What do people across the country actually care about affecting

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Speaker 1: I think it'd be pretty hard to pick.

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Speaker 3: Something that in that first week that I would say

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Speaker 5: How is eliminating government diversity programs like DEI beneficial to

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Speaker 5: anybody other than it's great white males.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I think I think there are some ways in

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Speaker 3: which is not even beneficial to straight white males, which

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you about in a second. But I think

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Speaker 3: this culture of reviving merit in the country is a

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Speaker 3: very American idea. You and I have talked about this

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Speaker 3: you are not judged on the color of your skin.

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Speaker 3: You ought to be judged on the content of your

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Speaker 3: the job, regardless of their genetics. That's America at its best.

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Speaker 3: We haven't always been that. You could argue that we've

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Speaker 3: never actually been that perfectly. We're an imperfect nation because

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Speaker 3: we're comprised of human beings and not gods. But I

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Speaker 3: do think it is a step forward to say that

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Speaker 3: after we've turned the page on one hundred and sixty

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Speaker 3: now is the time not to engage in blaming for

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Speaker 1: So I think that's a good thing.

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Speaker 3: And the only thing I would tell you that you

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Speaker 3: I also think there has been a culture emerging in

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Speaker 3: And in certain cases that may be true that certain people,

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Speaker 3: maybe a white male was denied a job because somebody

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Speaker 3: the side effects of ending DEI is that nobody's going

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Speaker 5: But do you trust people, don't like, do you trust

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Speaker 1: I mean, we all have it. Let me say something.

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Speaker 1: We all have our innate biases, right, we're human beings.

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Speaker 1: As I said, we're human beings.

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Speaker 3: We're not God's were flawed and people have their innate biases.

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Speaker 1: But the question is is there a perfect system? Though

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Speaker 3: Least imperfect system, and I think the least imperfect system

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Speaker 3: our country through the lens of merit. And what is merit?

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Speaker 3: I mean we I banded this word around a lot.

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Speaker 3: eloquent about merit from the stage. Is what is merit?

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Speaker 3: What is meritocracy? Made me think for a second, you

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Speaker 3: have to define what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: I think a meritocracy is a system.

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Speaker 3: That recognizes that not everybody has the same God given talents.

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Speaker 3: In fact, it recognizes that everyone has different God given talents.

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Speaker 3: That's true diversity, that's a beautiful thing. But a meritocracy

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Speaker 3: is one that says, whatever your unique God given talents are,

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Speaker 3: any system standing in your way.

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Speaker 1: To me, that's America at its best.

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Speaker 3: And so are we going to be perfect as human beings?

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Speaker 3: In realizing that? I do, of course not, because we're

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Speaker 3: human beings. But does that mean that we shouldn't at

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Speaker 3: least do our best to design systems that aspire to it?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: I think that a step forward is and I'm done.

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Speaker 3: I'm mostly I'd like to be mostly done. I think

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Speaker 3: I am done with the DEI debates. I think we've

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Speaker 3: turned the debate, turned the page on that. I'm interested

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Speaker 3: in a forward looking conversation about what is equal opportunity.

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Speaker 3: That in the debates we've had about equal opportunity versus

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Speaker 3: we want equal opportunity, and that was a conservative response.

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Speaker 6: And why would you have a conversation about equal opportunity

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Speaker 3: Now let's look to the future and say, what does

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Speaker 1: I'll give you.

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Speaker 3: I'll give you one of the areas I'm most passionate about.

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Speaker 3: If you're doing this after somebody's already eighteen years old

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Speaker 3: And that doesn't start in high school, it doesn't start

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Speaker 3: These are good opportunities for us not to be ashamed

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Speaker 4: You can't trust white supremacy. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So it's like even when you like with the Dulge thing,

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Speaker 6: right and you back and a way. Now I'm be

446
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Speaker 6: listening to you, I'm like, oh, it sounds like y'all

447
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Speaker 6: didn't agree because morally you want to do right. I

448
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Speaker 6: don't know if I believe that Elon Musk in a

449
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Speaker 6: Trump cabinet wants.

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Speaker 4: To do that.

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Speaker 3: Well on that front, let me just say I think

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Speaker 3: we all share an opposition to bureaucracy. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: you think about how bureaucracy hurts even the least well

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Speaker 3: off among us, it actually hurts the least well off

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Speaker 3: among us the most. I don't want to get too

456
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Speaker 3: much in details unless you're interested in this, but take

457
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Speaker 3: housing costs in the country, right, Why are housing costs spiking?

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Speaker 3: It's because of bureaucracy. And red tape that's stopping new

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Speaker 3: housing construction. There's all these zoning limitations, there's all kinds

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Speaker 3: of limitations for single family homes. For smaller homes, it's

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Speaker 3: really hard to build one, and a lot of that

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Speaker 3: comes from regulatory red tape. So on the stuff relating

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Speaker 3: to cutting back red tape and bureaucracy and regulations, I

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Speaker 3: don't view that as a left versus right issue. In fact,

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Speaker 3: one of the things I loved in the time period

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Speaker 3: that I was helpful involving setting up Doughs was how

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Speaker 3: many Democrats also said, hey, you know what, there's actually

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Speaker 3: a lot of issues that we care about where bureaucracy

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Speaker 3: is getting in the way as well that raise their hand.

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Speaker 1: So that I think is just a strictly good efficiency

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Speaker 1: and elimination of bureaucracy. I think is good across the board.

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Speaker 3: As it relates to getting serious though about addressing root

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Speaker 3: inequality causes in the United States, I think a lot

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Speaker 3: of people enjoy being on one political side or the

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Speaker 3: other without actually rolling up their sleeves and doing the

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Speaker 3: hard work of getting to the root cause. I think

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Speaker 3: the root cause starts with education at a really young

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Speaker 3: age in a stable family foundation from which those kids

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Speaker 3: are able to grow up and have access to the

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Speaker 3: same opportunities as anybody else. And if you got to

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Speaker 3: a place where every kid at the age of four,

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Speaker 3: I'm not even talking about the age of ten. In

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Speaker 3: some sense, it's already it's already partially baked by then.

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Speaker 3: But at the age of four, when they enter preschool,

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Speaker 3: has a chance to enter the best possible school that

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Speaker 3: somebody else would have to enter, but they have to

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Speaker 3: pay the actual tuition to get there. I think we've

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Speaker 3: made massive progress towards restoring to.

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Speaker 1: Equality of opportunity in the US.

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Speaker 3: What does that mean. That means that literally you have

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Speaker 3: to provide money to the families who are stuck in

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Speaker 3: a bad public school to be able to opt out

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Speaker 3: of that school. Transportation included, the ability to pay tuition included.

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Speaker 3: That is an investment that we make both in the

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Speaker 3: overall future of our country and an equality of opportunity.

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Speaker 3: I think we should be more vocal about standing for that.

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Speaker 3: I certainly for one plan to be by.

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Speaker 1: The way, A lot of this is done not at

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Speaker 1: the federal level.

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Speaker 3: A lot of this is done at the state level,

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Speaker 3: which gives you a sense of where or part of

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Speaker 3: the reason I've been drawn in my own journey to say,

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Speaker 3: if I actually care about addressing these issues and not

504
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Speaker 3: talking about them, there's actually a lot more than a

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Speaker 3: governor is able to accomplish on a practical level than

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Speaker 3: even somebody sitting at the federal level.

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Speaker 1: And so that's part of what I feel.

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Speaker 5: Are you able to have these conversations though, because I mean,

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Speaker 5: you know, you do get to the root of these issues.

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Speaker 5: But when you try to do it and you criticize

511
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Speaker 5: the US for its cultural emphasis on mediocrity over excellent,

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Speaker 5: Maggie and conservatives lost their mind, and a lot of

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Speaker 5: people say, that's the reason you got pushed out adults.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I will tell you this is I would rather.

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Speaker 3: Speak the truth and lose than to pander to an audience,

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Speaker 3: to tell them what they want to hear.

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Speaker 1: It's like an old expression. I think it might have

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Speaker 1: been Thomas Soule who said this. Actually, you know him.

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Speaker 3: Very smart man. I think he's doing it to this.

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Speaker 3: If you care about somebody, you tell him the truth.

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Speaker 3: If you care about yourself, you tell them what they

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Speaker 3: want to hear. I would rather speak hard truth and

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Speaker 3: take the chance of losing an election than to somehow

524
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Speaker 3: win by just saying what you're supposed to say. Now,

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Speaker 3: my view on this is America is an excellent country.

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Speaker 3: I mean, America is defined by the pursuit of excellence.

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Speaker 3: And it's an interesting question about American identity. Right, if

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Speaker 3: you go to Italy, what's the Italian identity? It's the

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Speaker 3: heritage of people who grew up in Italy. Japan, it's

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Speaker 3: the heritage of people grew up in Japan. There's a

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Speaker 3: language that binds them, a unique language of Italian or Japanese.

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Speaker 3: And that's a beautiful thing. But what's America in that context?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: What is the American identity? I don't think it comes

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Speaker 3: down to the national identities of other countries, of a

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Speaker 3: cuisine or an ethnic lineage. Even our land is relatively different, right,

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Speaker 3: Our land today is very different than it was just

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Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty years ago, than it was even

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Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty years ago. Then we added Alaska,

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Speaker 3: then we added Hawaii. Maybe we're going to add some

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Speaker 3: more soon. So I think that America is not defined

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Speaker 3: in the same way that other countries are. I think

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Speaker 3: America is defined for most based on the set of

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Speaker 3: ideals that bind all of us together despite our different genetics.

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Speaker 3: That's what makes America special. And one of those ideals

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Speaker 3: is the pursuit of excellence, the idea that you are

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Speaker 3: able to achieve whatever you want without any government or

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Speaker 3: bureaucracy standing in your way, that the best person gets

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Speaker 3: the job, that you get to speak your mind in

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Speaker 3: the open without somebody telling you you can't speak your mind.

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Speaker 3: Those are the ideals that make America itself.

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Speaker 4: We don't live up to that. We don't live up

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Speaker 4: to them often.

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Speaker 1: We often don't live of course not.

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Speaker 3: But I would rather live in a country that has

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Speaker 3: ideals and falls short of them than a country that

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Speaker 3: has no ideals at all.

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Speaker 1: So you could say we're hypocrite. You can only be

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Speaker 1: a hypocrite if you have ideals.

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Speaker 3: So I would rather as as a nation, be hypocritical

561
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Speaker 3: and have ideals rather than not have ideals and therefore

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Speaker 3: not be a hypocrite.

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Speaker 1: Right. And so that's a tough message, and it lands

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Speaker 1: in different directions.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: I would go so far as to call it my

567
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Speaker 3: battle against the woke left four years ago was a

568
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Speaker 3: tough message. In people on the other side had resistance

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Speaker 3: to that message. Of what I still consider to be

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Speaker 3: tough love, but love at the core of it. I'd

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Speaker 3: say the same thing with respect to my more recent commentary.

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Speaker 3: Here comes from a place of love for this country,

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Speaker 3: and I love this country too much, so much as

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Speaker 3: h one to b tweets, Well, I didn't talking about

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Speaker 3: I mean that was talking about American excellence, right, about

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Speaker 3: the idea that I do think we need to light

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Speaker 3: a fire under the feet of our culture, right, I

578
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Speaker 3: do think we need to light a fire and celebrate

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Speaker 3: excellence in every domain, by the way, not just not

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Speaker 3: just academics, sports, music, the arts, but to celebrate winning,

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Speaker 3: to celebrate the person who is a striver. I don't

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Speaker 3: think it should be a bad thing in America to

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Speaker 3: be a striver, right. That word has a negative connotation

584
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Speaker 3: to it a little bit today. Our founding fathers were strivers.

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Speaker 3: Our culture was built by strivers, right, Neil Armstrong and

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Speaker 3: John Glenn, the people from my home state went to

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Speaker 3: outer space at the frontier. We are a culture of strivers,

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Speaker 3: the best athletes. I mean, look at the legacy of

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Speaker 3: Michael Jordan. He was a guy who worked hard and

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Speaker 3: was unapologetic about the fact that he wanted to win

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Speaker 3: and would do whatever is required to work hard to

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Speaker 3: do it, same thing with respect or engineering talent. That's

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Speaker 3: the culture that I think we can revive in this country.

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Speaker 3: I think it's necessary to revive in this country if

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Speaker 3: we're going to compete against China. It's like a parent

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Speaker 3: when you're talking to your kids. Sometimes the message you

597
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Speaker 3: deliver is not well received. When they hear it, you

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Speaker 3: know it comes from a place of love.

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Speaker 4: But Magan conservatives didn't want to hear that at all.

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Speaker 5: And it seems like when you chastise others for cultural concern,

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Speaker 5: it's wildly accepted. But when you attack saved by the

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Speaker 5: Bell and white culture, you got sidelines.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you this is I'm consistent three to sixty degrees.

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Speaker 1: This is what I will what I'll give you all that.

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Speaker 4: You shocked by the response, you know, I like taking

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Speaker 4: it back like.

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Speaker 3: Damn, you know, if I think about it, I've been

608
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Speaker 3: around American politics for a little bit. Did I know

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Speaker 3: the message that I was delivering was going to make

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Speaker 3: some people upset?

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Speaker 1: I did.

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Speaker 3: My goal was not to make people upset for the

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Speaker 3: sake of making people upset. My goal is looking at

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Speaker 3: our country and saying, how do we light a fire

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Speaker 3: under the feet of our nation to be able to

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Speaker 3: aspire to be the very best again and do it

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Speaker 3: consistently as you said. You know, I've talked to the

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Speaker 3: woke left for years, and if I put the word

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Speaker 3: woke in that you know message several times, many of

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Speaker 3: the people say people were cheering for a long time

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Speaker 3: when I delivered the same message in a different way.

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Speaker 3: I'm just against victimhood culture across the board. We're not

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Speaker 3: a nation of victims.

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Speaker 4: Even when the victims are magnet and Conservatives like victims.

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Speaker 4: When you put the.

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Speaker 1: Look that I'm against it, I'm against any kind of

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Speaker 1: victimhood most most of the time.

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Speaker 3: For the last four years, if I'm being honest, I

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Speaker 3: think the dominant strain of victimhood has been a left

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Speaker 3: wing victimhood. But there is I wrote a book called

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Speaker 3: Nation of Victims a few years ago that had chapter

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Speaker 3: called conservative victimhood.

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Speaker 1: We're not a nation of victims. We are victors, not victims.

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Speaker 1: That's who we are at our very best. That's the

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Speaker 1: American way. And I do think that when you think

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Speaker 1: about what are those.

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Speaker 3: American qualities, hard work, self determination, self reliance, not victimhood

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Speaker 3: culture that gives you a greater claim on the government.

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Speaker 3: And you could see this across the political spectrum. I

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Speaker 3: don't think that we win this country back by greater

641
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Speaker 3: dependence on our government. We win this country back by

642
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Speaker 3: greater in dependence from it, through reviving our self confidence

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Speaker 3: to stand on our own two feet. To teach our

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Speaker 3: kids the way you get ahead isn't to see yourself

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Speaker 3: as a victim and to play that as a as

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Speaker 3: a card that gets you ahead, but instead to see

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Speaker 3: yourself as a winner and somebody who isn't going to

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Speaker 3: be bullied by your circumstances. The number one person where

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Speaker 3: would I tell my kids?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: The number one person or the number one factor that

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Speaker 3: determines whether you achieve your goals in life, not saying

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Speaker 3: it's the only one, But the number one factor that

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Speaker 3: determines whether you achieve what you want in.

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Speaker 1: Life is you. Let me no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: And so it's not it's not your race, or your gender,

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Speaker 3: or your sexuality, or the climate or the weather, or

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Speaker 3: somebody from some other country.

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Speaker 1: It is you.

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Speaker 4: All the things won't play apart. But I agree it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, i'd say didn't play a part, But I said,

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Speaker 3: the number one is you, and so that's the culture

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Speaker 3: where whether it's in some ways it was the same

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Speaker 3: message delivered slightly differently and got a very different reaction.

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Speaker 3: But I believe I have been deeply consistent in delivering

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Speaker 3: this message.

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Speaker 1: For a long time. And the reason why is and

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Speaker 1: by the way, on the justtion you brought up one B,

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Speaker 1: H one B is a broken system. Right.

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Speaker 3: So the funny thing about this people say, O, why

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Speaker 3: didn't you criticize H one B and his tweet. I've

672
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Speaker 3: been saying this about a hundred times, maybe for the

673
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Speaker 3: last couple of years, probably hundreds of times. It's broken

674
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Speaker 3: in a bunch of boring ways. They use a lottery

675
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Speaker 3: instead of picking the very best ones. It's got an

676
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Speaker 3: indentured servitude problem where if a company sponsors you and

677
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Speaker 3: you come from another country, you can't leave that company,

678
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 3: so you don't actually have a competitive labor market. All

679
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Speaker 3: those things need to be fixed, and I have been,

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Speaker 3: I would argue, among the biggest proponents, if not the

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Speaker 3: biggest voice, in favor of fixing those things. But that's

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Speaker 3: a technical issue about fixing some H one B system.

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Speaker 3: But the deeper question is are we a country that

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Speaker 3: believes America ought to be number one, that we want

685
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Speaker 3: the best people in this country, cultivated in a homegrown way,

686
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Speaker 3: and then to fill the gaps with the best and

687
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Speaker 3: brightest from the rest of the world as well to

688
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Speaker 3: come here and be Americans and pledge leads ins to

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Speaker 3: this country.

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Speaker 4: That's us.

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Speaker 1: Of course, that's the best.

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Speaker 2: But let me ask you, what were your thoughts on

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Speaker 2: and you claim to be an honest person like that

694
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Speaker 2: when Donald Trump signed off on the people that tried

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Speaker 2: to overdo the.

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Speaker 1: Government signed off. Here's here's my view.

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Speaker 2: And then I want to ask you what did you

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Speaker 2: think when Joe Biden pardoned, you know, his son and

699
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Speaker 2: his family members as well. So let's start wait with Trump.

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Speaker 1: So here's my view.

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Speaker 2: They try to overdo the government, which is totally against law.

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Speaker 3: So let's time. I've turning the page. I'll give I'll

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Speaker 3: give you, I'll give it to you, give it to

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Speaker 3: you straight.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

706
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 3: I think that there were many people there's a rabbit hole.

707
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Speaker 3: We could have an hour on this, and I don't

708
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Speaker 3: really I don't really think it's even all that relevant anymore.

709
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Speaker 3: There were a lot of people who didn't do a

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Speaker 3: thing that was wrong that ended up being ensnared in

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Speaker 3: getting locked up, getting prosecuted for peacefully without any weapons,

712
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 3: exercising their First Amendment rights. And as a country were

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Speaker 3: country that celebrates political dissent and opposition, people who never

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Speaker 3: entered the capitol, people who never hurt anybody, people who

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Speaker 3: were unarmed walking on the Capitol grounds. And it was

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Speaker 3: just sloppy the way the whole thing was. Yeah, And

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Speaker 3: I think that those kind of peaceful protesters, the fact

718
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Speaker 3: that they were ensnared and had their due process rights

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Speaker 3: denied is an affront. And I say that as somebody

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Speaker 3: who I'm a civil libertarian. I believe the same is

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Speaker 3: true for left wing protesters. I think the same thing

722
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Speaker 3: has been true for civil rights protesters sixty years ago.

723
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Speaker 3: I think the same thing was true for peaceful protesters

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Speaker 3: on January sixth. So then when you when you look

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Speaker 3: at it holistically, right, it was so messy in the

726
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Speaker 3: way that it was handled. There were so many also

727
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Speaker 3: unanswered questions and some stuff that didn't smell great.

728
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Speaker 1: Like if you look at the first.

729
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Speaker 3: Thing that came out from the Inspector General's report only

730
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Speaker 3: came out a few weeks a couple weeks before Trump

731
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Speaker 3: took office. How many FBI informants and affiliated people were

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Speaker 3: in that audience.

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Speaker 1: It didn't smell good, and that came out.

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Speaker 3: You said that two years ago that was considered a

735
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Speaker 3: bad conspiracy theory. But now they came out with the

736
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Speaker 3: Inspector General report saying that they weren't transparent with the public.

737
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Speaker 3: There was enough that the government did that smelled rotten

738
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Speaker 3: there that in the interest of just turning the page,

739
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Speaker 3: you know what I think would have been the best

740
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Speaker 3: outcome for the country. Here's here's something that would have

741
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Speaker 3: been the best outcome. But I think we got to

742
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Speaker 3: your second best outcome. I said this before Biden left office.

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Speaker 3: I think if Joe Biden had not pardoned his family member,

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Speaker 3: but had pardoned the January sixth protesters in one of

745
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Speaker 3: his final acts to say that I've been critical of this,

746
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Speaker 3: but in the interest of moving the country forward, as

747
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Speaker 3: I'm leaving the office, I'm turning the page and looking

748
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Speaker 3: into the future. And then Donald Trump takes office and

749
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Speaker 3: pardons the Biden family for any alleged defenses.

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Speaker 1: That would have been I think the best case scenario

751
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Speaker 1: for the country. People we had, we had the.

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Speaker 4: They were some of them were insurrectionists.

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Speaker 5: And I mean there's actual people who are denying pardons

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Speaker 5: because they said, no, we committed a cross.

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Speaker 6: Yes, there was a woman who did a hosted that interview,

756
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Speaker 6: so we did really horrible things. People died.

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Speaker 3: I heard her interview, and so to that, you will

758
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Speaker 3: say there.

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Speaker 1: Were people who were.

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Speaker 2: Decision and peaceful, but then we've seen people that have

761
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Speaker 2: the gates ran up in there, running in people's.

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Speaker 1: Office as well.

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Speaker 4: I think had the best reason.

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Speaker 5: And what jade Van said this before Trump did the part,

765
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Speaker 5: and he said that we're going to look at every

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Speaker 5: We're not going to pardon all the January sixth insurrections.

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Speaker 5: We're going to look at it on a case by case.

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Speaker 5: He's a case by case and see who needs to

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Speaker 5: be part and who doesn't.

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Speaker 3: And that's what I That's what I had said for

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Speaker 3: the last couple of years as well. I do think

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Speaker 3: that when we're also moving quickly with respect to Trump

773
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Speaker 3: talking about a new golden age for the country, that's

774
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Speaker 3: what we all want, right, We want a country where

775
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 3: the issues were focused on is what affects people in

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Speaker 3: their everyday lives. The conversation about lifting people up economically

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Speaker 3: and educationally.

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Speaker 1: I think it is in.

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Speaker 3: That spirit to say that we're just turning the page

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Speaker 3: and moving the nation forward. I understand the decision to

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Speaker 3: do it not on a case by case basis, but

782
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Speaker 3: on a blanket basis.

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Speaker 1: I understand when.

784
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Speaker 4: It's coming up actual criminals. Like one of the guys

785
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Speaker 4: got out and went right.

786
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Speaker 3: Back to just by definition, just so we're talking about

787
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Speaker 3: the same thing. By definition, anybody who gets a pardon

788
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 3: is getting a pardon, many of them. Anybody who gets

789
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 3: a pardon after a conviction means they were convicted, right,

790
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Speaker 3: So there are hundreds of president of pardons. Biden I

791
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Speaker 3: should most more pardon than any president has in his

792
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Speaker 3: final month leaving office. Every president issues pardons. But part

793
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Speaker 3: of the reason the president has a pardon power is

794
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Speaker 3: the job of the president is actually.

795
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Speaker 1: To look after the country.

796
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Speaker 3: The job of a jury and a judge in a

797
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 3: case is to look after that individual case. But a

798
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Speaker 3: president is a steward of a country and to say

799
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Speaker 3: what's in the best overall interest in the country. That's

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Speaker 3: why the president is a pardon power. So everybody who

801
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Speaker 3: a president has ever pardoned is by definition of criminal.

802
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Speaker 3: The question is even in the face of somebody being

803
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Speaker 3: a criminal by definition of having committed some crime, take

804
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 3: a big step back and say, notwithstanding that, is it

805
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 3: in the interest of a nation to be able to

806
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Speaker 3: pardon that person and move forward. That's the judgment that

807
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Speaker 3: belongs on a president's shoulders. And when you look at

808
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Speaker 3: the agenda that President Trump wants to pursue, and he

809
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Speaker 3: wants to be ambitious about that and say I just

810
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Speaker 3: want to turn the page on the past and move forward,

811
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Speaker 3: I understand that decision, and I think that looking at

812
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Speaker 3: a case by case would have been a reasonable approach.

813
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Speaker 3: I think that going blanket pardon and turning the page

814
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 3: is also a reasonable approach. But what I do is

815
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Speaker 3: that we're not going to see. I want to make

816
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Speaker 3: this claim right now, and I think I will be

817
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 3: proven right I certainly hope.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be proven right now. I expect I will.

819
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Speaker 3: There was a lot of fear mongering over the last

820
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 3: couple of years, and some people still have the fear that, Okay,

821
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump is going to go after his political opponents

822
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Speaker 3: and whatever. I can tell you solidly that just ain't

823
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 3: gonna happen, and you can roast me a year from

824
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 3: now if we're wrong about that is not gonna happen.

825
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Speaker 1: And I think that that's that's the spirit of that decision.

826
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Speaker 1: All that fits together.

827
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Speaker 3: Is to say, we've had a kind of a toxic

828
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Speaker 3: chapter over the last four years as a country. You

829
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 3: have a guy who is all kinds of unprecedent things

830
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 3: have happened, right who himself was the subject of four

831
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 3: prosecutions by the government, has been censored before that while

832
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 3: he was leaving office, and the President of the United

833
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 3: States couldn't even speak all that. Let's not really negate it.

834
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 3: Let's turn the page. Let's move forward. And I think

835
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Speaker 3: that is something that if we stay true to that promise,

836
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Speaker 3: everybody can get behind. And I will tell you that

837
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of people earnestly have the fear.

838
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: I could say it's created by the me or whatever.

839
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Speaker 3: But to say that, oh, now Donald Trump's going to

840
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 3: prosecute as political opponents, Now, it's not going to work

841
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 3: that way. The way it's going to work is we're

842
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 3: moving forward to say what actually lifts up all Americans.

843
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 3: It's part of why you had a coalition, which I

844
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Speaker 3: thought was pretty cool.

845
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Speaker 1: This time around.

846
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Speaker 3: You got a lot of former independence black voters, Hispanic voters,

847
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 3: first generation Americans. It was there was a different kind

848
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 3: of coalition. It wasn't yesterday's Republican Party. That I hope

849
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 3: gives us a shot at unifying the country. It gives

850
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Speaker 3: us the best shot I think we've had in a

851
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Speaker 3: long time.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to see it.

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Speaker 5: Let's talk about how do you how do you advocate

854
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 5: for ending birthright citizenship when both your parents were illegal

855
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Speaker 5: and non citizens were legal.

856
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Speaker 1: They were legal. Yeah, that's right, that's right when they

857
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 1: gave the country. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So my view, and I've been pretty consistent on this,

859
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Speaker 3: is that birthright citizenship should not be granted to the

860
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Speaker 3: kids of.

861
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Speaker 1: Illegals in this country.

862
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 3: Therese, birthright citizenship means, just to get everyone on the

863
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 3: same page, it means if you're physically born in the country,

864
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Speaker 3: you're automatically a citizen. And that's been part of the

865
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 3: long standing tradition of the country within certain guardrails. So

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Speaker 3: I'll give you one that nobody contests. Let's say you're

867
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Speaker 3: the kid of a Mexican diplomat. All right, it's a

868
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Speaker 3: guy who's legally physically in the country, but he is

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Speaker 3: the ambassador from Mexico. Or Panama or whatever country to

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Speaker 3: the US. They happen to have a baby while they're here,

871
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Speaker 3: is that baby a citizen of the United States?

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Speaker 1: Nobody thinks. The answer to that is yes.

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Speaker 3: If you're a diplomat from Mexico or a government official

874
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Speaker 3: from another country, but physically the baby happens to be

875
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 3: born here, you're still a citizen out of other country.

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Speaker 3: And goes to the fourteenth Amendment, it says, are you

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Speaker 3: subject to the laws and jurisdiction thereof, then you're a citizen.

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Speaker 1: That's what it says.

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Speaker 3: So by similar analogy, if somebody who's an ambassador from

880
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Speaker 3: Mexico or is in this country legally but doesn't enjoy

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00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 3: birthright citizenship because they're still subject to the laws and

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00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 3: jurisdiction of the other country, then the question is if

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Speaker 3: somebody entered this country illegal, or let's just say it,

884
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Speaker 3: take another one, if somebody is a foreign invader to

885
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 3: the country.

886
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: Right, Let's say you have a foreign invasion of the

887
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: country but includes a pregnant woman and she.

888
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 3: Happens to have a baby here. Nobody thinks that baby

889
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 3: enjoys birthright citizenship. So then the question is if somebody

890
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 3: broke the law when entering the country. Right that they're

891
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 3: active entering the country was a violation of our laws.

892
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 3: Are they really subject to the jurisdiction and law in

893
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 3: the same way if they have their kid in the country,

894
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 3: that kid does not automatically enjoy birthright. That's in my position,

895
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 3: I think it's a reasonable position.

896
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 6: Why is it that moving forward, you would want an

897
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 6: administration to pick and choose, like when they give opportunities.

898
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 6: So for instance, like what if I'm here.

899
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: Illegally, I have my kid here legally.

900
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 6: No, I'm here illegally, Okay, hypothetically if I'm here illegally, right,

901
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 6: I did whatever I had to do to get here

902
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 6: just because of whatever my circumstances are. I'm not committing

903
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 6: crimes while I'm here. I'm working the best I can,

904
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 6: just trying to raise my kid. My kid is doing amazing.

905
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 6: I'm providing a better life. Right, And then all of

906
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 6: a sudden, now because Trump is in office, it's like, no,

907
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 6: my kid has to go back to whatever circumstances we

908
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 6: came from, not too much set up because they're no

909
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 6: longer a citizen.

910
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: So on things.

911
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 3: If you look at President Trump's recent commentary in some

912
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 3: of his interviews even leading up to take an office,

913
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 3: he himself has drawn a distinction between people have been

914
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 3: here for a really long time and established roots versus

915
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 3: people who have come super recently to the country. Right

916
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 3: in the Dreamer's Program, you talked about how people have

917
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 3: been here for a long time. We could have our

918
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 3: own debates about what my own views even are on that,

919
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 3: but let's just take start with the easy.

920
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: Low hanging fruit.

921
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 3: If somebody is a criminal, should they be if somebody

922
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 3: commits a crime while they're here and they entered illegally,

923
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 3: should they.

924
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: Be automatically deporting? I just want to and then we

925
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: just go straight down the way.

926
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're not going to argue that point because that's

927
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 6: that's kind of like a that's an easy point, though.

928
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 6: I know, I think where I'm getting confused with you

929
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 6: as like you, even if.

930
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: It's a few years, I would say the same thing.

931
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 3: So if somebody has come here and it hasn't been

932
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 3: that long, So we're talking about, you know, double digit

933
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 3: millions of people who have come here illegally under Biden's tenure,

934
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 3: those people have not established roots in the United States, right,

935
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 3: those people should have followed a different route and by

936
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 3: the way, there are millions more who didn't come here,

937
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 3: who did not come here illegally because they were trying

938
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 3: to do it the right way. They're the ones we

939
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 3: kept out, and the ones who lied or broke the

940
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 3: rules are the ones who we let in. That's not right, right,

941
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 3: So I think that's sending all of the people who

942
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 3: at least entered ill legally under Biden's tenure just recently.

943
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 3: Even if it's just taking in the last two years,

944
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 3: that is millions of people. So even if we just

945
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 3: said over the last eighteen months, the people who entered

946
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 3: this country illegally have to go back to their country

947
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 3: of origin they haven't established roots in eighteen months, that

948
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 3: alone would be the largest mass deportation in American history.

949
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 3: Now you want to go beyond that, we could argue

950
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 3: the details, but that alone is literally the largest mass

951
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 3: deportation in American history.

952
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: And I think most people are in favor of it

953
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: to say that that's fair.

954
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 5: So why our House Republican is divided on this because

955
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 5: it seems weird that you would want to fight the

956
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 5: in birthright citizenship now, especially when you've made so many

957
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 5: scries or dispanding vodists.

958
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: So I'm not following we necessarily what the House Republicans

959
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: are divided on per se. But what I will tell

960
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,479
Speaker 1: you is I think most people if explained right, because

961
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: I think the problem with this is it can become

962
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: a pretty emotional conversation. If you just objectively look at

963
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: the low hanging fruit that we all agree with, that's

964
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: actually pretty far from where we are today.

965
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 3: If you look at somebody who entered this country illegally,

966
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 3: does their kid automatically get birthright citizenship?

967
00:39:58,880 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: Going forward?

968
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 3: We can't even change the past, right, because those are

969
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 3: the rules of the past, But at least going forward

970
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 3: we will say that anybody knew who entered this country

971
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 3: illegally and their kid's born here doesn't enjoy birthright citizenship

972
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 3: without even a change to the past.

973
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 1: I think most people agree with that. Somebody who entered

974
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,439
Speaker 1: in the last eighteen months, pretty recent.

975
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 4: This is what you're sitting the back.

976
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: It's millions of people illegally should think about.

977
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 5: Illegals abusing birth right citizenship. That's what that's what you're

978
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 5: I mean.

979
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 3: I think I think somebody who comes here illegally and

980
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 3: has a kid here, that kid should not enjoy birthright citizenship,

981
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 3: especially if the government has said so.

982
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: So in the past you could say it was vague.

983
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: That's a separate debate. But going forward, to lay the

984
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: marker down and say, going forward from this date forward,

985
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: somebody who enters the country illegally and has a kid here,

986
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: that kid does not automatically enjoy birthright citizenship, I think

987
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: is a very reasonable position.

988
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 4: So that wouldn't that be you know, since your parents

989
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 4: were not.

990
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 3: Citizens, they were legal So it's one thing if you

991
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 3: you apply to the government, you followed the legal process.

992
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 3: There's a lot of paperwork involved, there's a vetting, and

993
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 3: I'm saying I'm saying in that that's a separate point

994
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 3: in the deportations. So in the deportations, let's just start,

995
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 3: aren't there. Okay, If you look at how many people

996
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 3: came into this country illegally, illegally in the last eighteen months, okay,

997
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 3: the last year and a half of Biden's ten year alone,

998
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 3: that is millions, not a million, millions of people. There's

999
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 3: no argument to be made that those people somehow establish

1000
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 3: roots in the country in eighteen months or in two years.

1001
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 3: If every one of those people were returned to their country,

1002
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 3: of origin respectfully. You're not trying to mistreat anybody or

1003
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 3: anything else, but in a respectful, humane manner, is returned

1004
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 3: to their country of origin. That alone would be the

1005
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 3: largest mass deportation in American history by far. Going forward,

1006
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 3: you send the signal that we're not open for illegal

1007
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 3: immigration anymore.

1008
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: And this is not dehumanizing anybody.

1009
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 3: Frankly, if any of us were in the position of

1010
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 3: somebody sitting in Guatemala or Venezuela or Colombia and the

1011
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 3: US government's given you a wink and a nod, who knows,

1012
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 3: maybe many of us would do the same thing to

1013
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 3: have a better life for our family. So I'm not

1014
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 3: blaming anybody other than the US government. But now the

1015
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 3: US government can be clear to say that no, we're

1016
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 3: not open for illegal entry. We have a sealed border,

1017
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 3: there's no funding for sanctuary cities, there's no welfare or

1018
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 3: benefits for people who enter this country illegally. And if

1019
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 3: you enter illegally, you will be returned to your country

1020
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 3: of origin. What's going to happen is you're going to

1021
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 3: see a lot fewer people even trying to come.

1022
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 2: What if your country's not accepting you back, like we'

1023
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 2: seen you what Mexico we s.

1024
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 3: I think those countries need to start accepting them back.

1025
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 3: And that's where the US has leverage to say that

1026
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 3: we all got to play by the same set of

1027
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: rules here because a lot of those countries, for example,

1028
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 3: in Central America right there's this area called the Dairyan Past.

1029
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 3: It's like a jungle area which used to be closed.

1030
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 3: Now there's a massive north and flow migrants.

1031
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: Many of those countries are recipients of US foreign aid.

1032
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:39,439
Speaker 1: What does that mean.

1033
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,919
Speaker 3: It means we're literally given our taxpayer money as aid

1034
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 3: just as a check to those countries. It's a free check,

1035
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 3: free money to those countries. I don't think we should

1036
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 3: be given free money to those countries unless they're also

1037
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 3: at minimum doing their part to also seal their borders.

1038
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 3: So we have levers to be able to have a

1039
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 3: reasonable discussion with other countries. And I think that that's

1040
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 3: something I mean to be overly partisan about this, but

1041
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 3: I think that was something we're missing under the Biden years,

1042
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 3: which is that we kind of were just jelly spined

1043
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 3: with other countries.

1044
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: Right.

1045
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 3: We let other countries walk all over us agree, and

1046
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 3: I don't think that standing for American interests. And by

1047
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 3: the way, American interest doesn't mean some segment of America

1048
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 3: people agree with me. I'm talking about all Americans interests,

1049
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 3: regardless of skin color, regardless of political affiliation. If you're American,

1050
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 3: we're going to stand for your interests because that's what

1051
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 3: an elected leader of the United States has responsibility to do.

1052
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 3: Not give away your tax payer money when we're thirty

1053
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: six trillion dollars of debt in the whole to some

1054
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 3: other country that isn't even doing what they're supposed to

1055
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 3: do with respect to blocking their own borders on the

1056
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 3: way to the United States.

1057
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense.

1058
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 3: So I think that a lot of this is common sense.

1059
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 3: A restoration of common sense is the path back to

1060
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 3: American greatness.

1061
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 5: I agree with what you said about people being jelly

1062
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 5: spine under the Biden administration, But do you think it's

1063
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 5: smart for Trump to start a trade war on day six?

1064
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 3: So the thing about the thing to understand about Donald

1065
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 3: Trump if you look at his first term, the thing

1066
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 3: I love about the second term is you don't have

1067
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 3: to do a lot of guessing about Donald Trump like

1068
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 3: you would with a new president you had a first term.

1069
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 3: He is a tough negotiator on the international stage, right,

1070
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 3: And so I believe there's there's probably three camps on

1071
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 3: this issue of tariffs. If this gets to uh, we

1072
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 3: don't switch the subject any time, let me know, but

1073
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 3: this is worth probably going into. One is that I

1074
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 3: think a silly view to say it's like the turn

1075
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 3: of the other cheek mentality, which is, even if another

1076
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 3: country is screwing us over by charging tariffs on our

1077
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 3: goods that go to those countries, we're going to pretend

1078
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 3: like they don't and not charge tariffs for them coming

1079
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 3: to their goods coming to our country. That's the turn

1080
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 3: of the other cheek model. And some people favor this

1081
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 3: because they say it still makes the global pie a

1082
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 3: little bit bigger. I don't favor that. The other model

1083
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,959
Speaker 3: is to say that, okay, we're gonna at least have reciprocity,

1084
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 3: which means same standards both ways. If you're another country

1085
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 3: and you're applying tariffs to us, and not just tariffs,

1086
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 3: but maybe you're doing state sponsored subsidies to your businesses,

1087
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 3: but we don't do them here, so it's an uneven

1088
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 3: playing field for those businesses. Then we're going to level

1089
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 3: the playing field. I think that is totally legitimate. In fact,

1090
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 3: I think in most cases that makes sense. Then there's

1091
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 3: a third camp, which says that even if the other

1092
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 3: country isn't really being unfair to us, we're just going

1093
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 3: to put up barriers in a way that I think

1094
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 3: is actually harmful, usually to the United States. So I

1095
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 3: think camp number two is super pragmatic to say that

1096
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,439
Speaker 3: everybody's got to plan a level playing field. You don't

1097
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 3: get two sets of rules, one for the rest of the.

1098
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: World to one for America.

1099
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 3: If we're going to be a trading partner and you're

1100
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Speaker 3: going to be a long run economic partner in the

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00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 3: United States, great, let's play by the same set of rules.

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Speaker 1: That's fair game.

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00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 3: That's different from and I will admit there are a

1104
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 3: lot of people on the left and on the right

1105
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 3: who prefer the other camp to say that, okay, we

1106
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 3: should make sure that only things are ever made in

1107
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 3: the United States, even if it could better advance the

1108
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 3: interests of American citizens to be able to have access

1109
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 3: to broader goods and bring costs down if the other

1110
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 3: country's played by the same set of rules, I don't.

1111
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: Think that we should be we should be.

1112
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 3: Penalizing ourselves and shooting ourselves and notes what the expression

1113
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 3: has cut your nose.

1114
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: Despite your face. I don't think we should do that.

1115
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 3: But if you look at Donald Trump's record, I'm not

1116
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 3: talking about rhetoric on social media or with some supporter

1117
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 3: somewhere of Donald Trump might have an opinion. If it's

1118
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 3: a big coalition here, a lot of people have a

1119
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 3: lot of different opinions. But Donald Trump has been super

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00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 3: pragmatic as a businessman on these trade issues.

1121
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: And sometimes when you're.

1122
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 3: In negotiation, you got to be able to play a

1123
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 3: hard card to be able to get to the place

1124
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 3: where you want to get. So I have no problem

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00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 3: with that as long as the place where we land

1126
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 3: advances the interests of all America.

1127
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 5: Because how are you going to make things more affordable,

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00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 5: like housing when you've got tariffs on everything?

1129
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think. Look, I think the question is

1130
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: if another country I think you probably agree with me

1131
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: on this, If another country applies a tariff to the

1132
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: United States, do you think that we should apply the

1133
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: same tariff in return or not?

1134
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:42,919
Speaker 4: Yes?

1135
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think yes. So's it's that simple.

1136
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 3: The only thing that's a slightly a little more complicated

1137
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 3: was just a slight wrinkle to that is sometimes the

1138
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 3: other country may not be applying a strictly speaking tariff,

1139
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 3: but it functionally is a tariff because their government supports

1140
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 3: their industries, so they may make them state sponsored industries

1141
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 3: with their own taxpair dollars. But we don't do that

1142
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 3: here because we believe in true competitive markets and capitalism.

1143
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: That is like a tariff because effectively it props up

1144
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: the other country's company to make it look like it's

1145
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: better than the US company, when in fact the company

1146
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: isn't actually that much better. It's just using their taxpair

1147
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: dollars to do it.

1148
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 3: Oh and by the way, we're often giving foreign hate

1149
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 3: to that very country, which allows them to have extra

1150
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 3: taxpayer dollars to spend. So that's the only wrinkle. Is

1151
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 3: either a tariff or a tariff like unfairness. That's what

1152
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 3: we've been on the receiving end of for a long

1153
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 3: time to make.

1154
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,760
Speaker 4: Things more affordable for people with are on average.

1155
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 3: So I think what's going to happen, What typically historically

1156
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 3: plays itself out is that that other country then says,

1157
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 3: oh crap, we're actually going to be screwed in a

1158
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 3: lot worse off. Let's now play by the same set

1159
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 3: of rules, because we're not going to be getting away

1160
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 3: with arbitrage in the United States of America anymore. If

1161
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 3: we got away with it for a little while, we're

1162
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 3: not going to get away with it anymore. And then

1163
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 3: both countries are actually able to have a cleaner trading

1164
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 3: relationship than not. There's one wrinkle to this, I think.

1165
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: I think most of that pretty hapen. Most of that

1166
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: happens pretty quickly. If you study the history of these

1167
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: trade deals with.

1168
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 3: The companies quickly with Columbia, ye sure, in history historically,

1169
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 3: and if you look for one hundred years, the way

1170
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 3: these things play out, it happens very I mean it happens.

1171
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: It's relatively instant for correcting itself.

1172
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Speaker 3: The one exception to all of this, which you know,

1173
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 3: I favor, I think is important to us, is with

1174
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 3: respect to China.

1175
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: That's different from other countries.

1176
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 3: Not Japan or South Korea, or India, or the Philippines

1177
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 3: or South America. China is in a different category where

1178
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 3: I don't think we should put ourselves in a position

1179
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 3: to rely on China for anything that is critical to

1180
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 3: our national security.

1181
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: Take our own military. It's crazy.

1182
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 3: The following is crazy fact, the number one supplier to

1183
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 3: our Department of Defense of semiconductors is actually China. Our

1184
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 3: own military industrial base cannot exist without a Chinese dependent

1185
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 3: supply chain. That doesn't make any sense because the whole

1186
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 3: reason you a military industrial base is to potentially protect

1187
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 3: yourself against an adversary. It makes literally no sense if

1188
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 3: you depend on that very adversary for your own military

1189
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 3: industrial base. And I would say the same for the

1190
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Speaker 3: pharmaceutical supply chain, which is a pretty critical supply chain,

1191
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 3: especially in a week where even the CIA has now

1192
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,959
Speaker 3: confirmed that COVID came from a lab in China. Really,

1193
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 3: that's the same country that you want to have ninety

1194
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 3: five percent your ibuprofen coming from, which is what it

1195
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 3: is today. That doesn't make sense, so I put China

1196
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 3: in a different category. But then the irony on this

1197
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 3: is that if you really want to declare economic independence

1198
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 3: from China in those critical sectors, that actually means you

1199
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Speaker 3: need more, not less trade with other countries like Japan

1200
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Speaker 3: and South Korea and Vietnam and India and other countries

1201
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 3: in Brazil. You actually want to bring as much as

1202
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 3: you can to the US, but you've got to supplement

1203
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 3: that with other countries that can also fill those gaps,

1204
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 3: and so it gets more nuanced more quickly and depends

1205
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 3: on what your priorities are. If your priorities are national

1206
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 3: security of the United States and also the economic best

1207
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 3: interests in the United States, I think what that means

1208
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 3: is you don't let other countries exploit us. You play

1209
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 3: by the same set of rules. In the case of China,

1210
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 3: you can't depend on an adversary for critical sectors. That

1211
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 3: means more onshoreing to the United States. But it also

1212
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 3: means more, not less, trade with a lot of our

1213
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 3: allies to fill those gaps. So I think that's a

1214
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 3: rational course forward. And this is a good conversation because

1215
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 3: actually usually people don't get to this level of the conversation.

1216
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 3: It's just you know, is trade war good or bad?

1217
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 3: When in fact it's for what purpose?

1218
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1219
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly if oh yeah, question for you on trade war,

1220
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 6: like why do we even because for instance, with Columbia, right,

1221
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 6: I saw a Boocari Sellers tweeted in response to Tim Scott.

1222
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 6: Tim Scott came out and supported with Trump did with Columbia.

1223
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 6: The car Sellers was like with Biden, we didn't have

1224
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,720
Speaker 6: to do that, like they accepted four hundred and seventy

1225
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 6: five deportation flights under Biden, more than one hundred and

1226
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 6: twenty and twenty twenty four alone. Basically, like, why did

1227
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 6: they even have to go to this extreme? It shows

1228
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 6: how people feel about our new president and what we

1229
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 6: might have the extent that we might have to go

1230
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 6: to and is dangerous, right.

1231
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Speaker 3: Well, I think different countries are to have different relationships, right,

1232
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 3: and so at certain points you want we want a

1233
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 3: president who will play hardball for the United States when necessary. Okay,

1234
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 3: we just that's what we want. We don't want some

1235
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 3: sort of limp spined US president that gets rolled over,

1236
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 3: because the person that's getting rolled over is the president.

1237
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: It's us.

1238
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 3: So if somebody else is trying to stiff us, right,

1239
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 3: trying to roll over us, you gotta double dish say,

1240
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 3: if you're gonna hit me, I'm gonn hit you back

1241
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 3: ten times harder. Metaphorically speaking, I think that's okay for

1242
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 3: the president to take that mentality. And by the way,

1243
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 3: under Biden, part of the reason why is you have

1244
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 3: to way more illegals that were of the kind that

1245
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 3: they actually wanted to get out of their country. That

1246
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 3: we're actually finding their way into ours, and so each

1247
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 3: situation is going to be different. But if you ask me,

1248
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 3: do we want a president if I had to make

1249
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 3: the choice, and I do think that.

1250
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: Often it is a trade off.

1251
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 3: Often it is a trade off between somebody who is

1252
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 3: going to be well liked or well feared.

1253
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: On the global stage.

1254
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 3: I would rather have a president who is well feared

1255
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 3: on the global stage than one who is well liked.

1256
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 3: Where it's possible to do both, that's the best. But

1257
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 3: when you have to make a choice, I want my president.

1258
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 3: I dont care what party he is. I want my

1259
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 3: president to be one who is feared rather than loved

1260
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 3: by adversaries or even allies who are looking after their

1261
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 3: own interests.

1262
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: And that's why elected. I think respect follows somebody who

1263
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: stands for his own interests. Actually, in the short.

1264
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 3: Run, somebody who loves what you do may not actually

1265
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 3: respect you, right, And I think Donald Trump's this way

1266
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 3: with respect to other leaders. He respects other leaders who

1267
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 3: looks after their country's interests, even though he's going to

1268
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 3: play hardball with them along the way. I'm the same

1269
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 3: way is think about the people in a business negotiation

1270
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 3: who roll over versus people who actually will hold the

1271
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 3: line when necessary for their interest. I respect that, even

1272
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 3: if that makes for a tougher negotiation. So I think

1273
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 3: we will automatically be more respected by the world if

1274
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 3: we stand for our own interests.

1275
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: And then here's also one area where the US is

1276
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: different than other countries. It's a little bit.

1277
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Speaker 3: You know, people in other countries may take issue with it,

1278
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 3: but probably not because it's true. What hope to do

1279
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 3: the rest of the free world have if the United

1280
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 3: States the shining city on hill still doesn't shine. And

1281
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 3: I've talked to leaders from other countries over the last year.

1282
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 3: The way they've framed it to me is the US

1283
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 3: has a choice to make. I mean, you guys, decide

1284
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 3: which one you're going to be. Are you actually going

1285
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 3: to remain the leader of the world and proud of

1286
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 3: who you are? And if you're not, just let us know,

1287
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 3: because I think that we will organize our own views differently.

1288
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 3: And I do think that the United States of America

1289
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 3: in particular has an obligation not just to itself but

1290
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,479
Speaker 3: to history to remain the strongest version of itself. Because

1291
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 3: if the United States just goes back to being just

1292
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,439
Speaker 3: like any other ordinary country around the world. In some sense,

1293
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 3: it's a loss of hope, not just for every American

1294
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 3: but for the free world as we know it. And

1295
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 3: I think that too is secretly these other countries were

1296
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 3: in the short term, they might want to exploit the US.

1297
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 3: But if they come back and say, earn know the

1298
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 3: US is back, They're strong, They're a leader, and I

1299
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 3: might not get my little trade agreement exactly what I

1300
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 3: wanted out of it, but I know that that's somebody

1301
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 3: who I can really depend on to be consistent and

1302
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 3: looking after their own interests and for standing for what

1303
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 3: freedom means. I actually think that will win us more

1304
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 3: respect in the long run.

1305
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 5: I got a few more questions, Chucky, you always so

1306
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 5: generous with your time. What did Trump say when you

1307
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 5: told him you wanted to leave.

1308
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: Those It was it was a pretty good mutual discussion.

1309
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 3: He was very supportive, and uh, you know, I think

1310
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 3: Donald Trump and I we built a good relationship since

1311
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:16,919
Speaker 3: I left the race.

1312
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: I think it's for me.

1313
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,800
Speaker 3: I've always been somebody who I need to stand for

1314
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 3: my own vision for the country. I met my best

1315
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Speaker 3: when I'm standing for my vision for the future. And

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Speaker 3: I'm excited for that, and Donald Trump was super supportive

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Speaker 3: of that. We had a good time at the inauguration together,

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Speaker 3: and I think we're gonna be working together informally for

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Speaker 3: a long time to come.

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Speaker 5: One of the executive orders that happened, uh you know,

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Speaker 5: was was DoLS was rebranded as the US Digital Yeah Service,

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Speaker 5: which was an Obama air group, which is basically created

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Speaker 5: to keep the manage the Affordable Care Acts website.

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Speaker 1: Right, That's where it started, okay, but.

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Speaker 5: Now it determines best practices for the government's use of technology.

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Speaker 4: That wasn't your initial vision.

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Speaker 1: So look, there were there were a couple of different

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Speaker 1: visions in approach, and I will say that Elon and

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Speaker 1: taking a technology first approach, he's the best person to

1330
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Speaker 1: take that technology first approach, no doubt about it. You know.

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Speaker 3: My what I've always been drawn to in my books

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Speaker 3: and a lot of the articles I've written. In my

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Speaker 3: own campaign for president, a lot of my focus has

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Speaker 3: been on using the constitutional landscape and using the legislative

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Speaker 3: landscape to bring down spending to curb regulations. I think

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Speaker 3: the best way to do that is from the perch

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Speaker 3: of elected office. And I think that when you think

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Speaker 3: about who's going to drive change through technology in the government.

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Speaker 3: Nobody better than Elon to do that.

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Speaker 5: But it seems like the Trump administration, at least some

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Speaker 5: of them, like Steve Mann and the Susie Wilds of the.

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Speaker 4: World, they don't. They're not fond of him. It seems.

1343
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Speaker 1: Look Steve, Steve Mann is I'm not.

1344
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Speaker 3: I'm not a big palace intrigue, you know, person stuff.

1345
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Speaker 3: I'm an ideas guy. I believe in a vision for

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Speaker 3: the country.

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Speaker 1: I want to think about how we're going to best

1348
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Speaker 1: be able to improve the country. I don't really I don't.

1349
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Speaker 1: I'm not super I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't really think the personality driven stuff is something

1351
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Speaker 3: that's super.

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Speaker 1: Of interested me. But I can tell what I see.

1353
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Speaker 3: What I see, certainly for what I was part of,

1354
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 3: is you gotta coalition here that is unified in wanting

1355
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 3: to restore American greatness, even with a diversity of views

1356
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 3: underneath that coalition, right, because you can't have both a

1357
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 3: big tent coalition while also having everybody having united views

1358
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Speaker 3: on every small question. And so I think that was

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Speaker 3: part of what was cool this last year. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I ran for you as president with slightly different views

1361
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 3: on certain things.

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Speaker 1: And Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: I endorsed him when I left the race. You got

1364
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Speaker 3: the likes of Independence, you got you know, Bobby Kennedy,

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Speaker 3: you got Tolsi. You got a bunch of other people,

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Speaker 3: Elon Musk, a bunch of people who each have our

1367
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 3: own distinctive spins on what the right emphasis should be

1368
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Speaker 3: for the future of the country, but came together in

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Speaker 3: what is a you know, I think, a big tent coalition,

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Speaker 3: which means there's always going to be some levels of

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Speaker 3: diversity of thought and opinion in that coalition.

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Speaker 1: I think it's actually a good thing. I think that

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Speaker 1: makes a movement stronger.

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Speaker 5: And so they only catered to a billionaire class, which issue,

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Speaker 5: which is why it's so interesting.

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Speaker 4: I think got so many working class.

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Speaker 1: People to you know, God, Yeah, I don't think. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's true. I don't think it's a

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Speaker 1: sin to be a billionaire the country. No, I think so.

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Speaker 3: I think that's part of the coalition. I think it

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00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 3: was very different if you look at the stage at inauguration.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I'm a big fan of indoor inaugurations.

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Speaker 1: It was a great it was war. It was good

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you watched it, you know, But

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Speaker 3: if you look at the people who are I was,

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Speaker 3: I was on stage with the diversity of people who

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Speaker 3: are on that.

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Speaker 4: Stage, guys, all the billionaire.

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Speaker 1: And imagine that four years ago, many of those same

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Speaker 1: platforms had censored and silenced the account of that same president.

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Speaker 1: I think that's progress. I don't think that's a bad thing.

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Speaker 3: I think there may be some people across the country

1394
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Speaker 3: who say, well, that's a bad thing and we need

1395
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 3: to we need to go religate country.

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Speaker 1: That's what some people say. But I think Donald trumps

1397
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Speaker 1: around the country. I think that's the hard truth of

1398
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Speaker 1: the matter.

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Speaker 3: And I think that there are things, there are views

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Speaker 3: that everybody in this coalition who supported him may have

1401
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Speaker 3: that may be slightly different what Donald Trump actually does.

1402
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 3: Because he's done a good job of building and melding

1403
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Speaker 3: together a pretty diverse coalition of independence, libertarian minded folks.

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Speaker 3: You have some folks who were certainly got the American

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Speaker 3: working class, union folks, you got minorities, You have people

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00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 3: who have lived the American dream themselves. You have people

1407
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 3: who have not yet lived the American dream but aspire

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Speaker 3: for their children to. It's a pretty big tent and

1409
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 3: so obviously, if you're going to bring together that type

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Speaker 3: of coalition, not everyone is going to agree on one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent of policies. I'd prefer that to one where

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Speaker 3: everybody did uniformly agree on everything. But it was a

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Speaker 3: much more insular, you know, segment of the American population.

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Speaker 1: So I think this is a good thing.

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Speaker 5: The more questions, how you how is the Trump administration

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00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 5: where reduced food prices when they're.

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Speaker 4: Deporting the people who are picking the food.

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Speaker 6: Because he's that first day out and we ain't seen

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00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 6: no prices drop yet.

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Speaker 3: Well, come on, it's been a couple of weeks, right,

1421
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Speaker 3: it's been not even a couple weeks, it's been a week.

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Speaker 3: People who are actually picking the food, well, I mean

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Speaker 3: deporting the people. Well, we maybe we should have a system,

1424
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Speaker 3: and I think you would agree with me on this.

1425
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Speaker 3: Maybe we should have a system where the people who's

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Speaker 3: picking our food or people who are in our food

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Speaker 3: supply chain were not people who entered the country illegally,

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Speaker 3: but actually fostered both American born and a proper legal

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Speaker 3: immigration system to staff that in a way that isn't illegal.

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Speaker 1: That's a separate question.

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00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 5: You want to deport people and there's only fourteen million

1432
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Speaker 5: people live in the country illegally rid of.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's just talk about bringing down food prices for

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Speaker 1: a second, because I think it's an important point.

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Speaker 3: I would also add to the list, by the way,

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Speaker 3: housing prices. I would add to the list energy prices,

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Speaker 3: especially electricity costs. I would add insurance costs. How things

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Speaker 3: going to be tough, Well, here's the number one way

1439
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Speaker 3: to do it. Increase the supply of everything. It's the

1440
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 3: laws of supply and demand. If you have constricted supply,

1441
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 3: you have higher prices. If you have more supply, prices

1442
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Speaker 3: come down. And one of the easiest things that we're

1443
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 3: able to do in all of those areas housing, food, energy,

1444
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Speaker 3: you bring down the regulatory barrier to producing.

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Speaker 1: More of it.

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00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 3: That is automatically going to bring prices down. That's at

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Speaker 3: least the first and easiest step we can take. Some

1448
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,439
Speaker 3: of this is at the federal level, but keep in mind,

1449
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 3: not all of this is stuff that Donald Trump can do.

1450
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 3: Some of this is a lot of this is actually

1451
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 3: at the state level too. I mean, you think about

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Speaker 3: most of the regulations that stop people from producing food,

1453
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 3: most of the regulations that stop people from building new houses,

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01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 3: including manufactured homes, which I think is actually an innovative

1455
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 3: area for the future. You think about even a lot

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Speaker 3: of the restrictions on energy production, it's nuclear energy included.

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Speaker 1: A lot of that is at the state level, which

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Speaker 1: is part.

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Speaker 3: Of why, in my own reflection right, thinking about having

1460
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 3: an impact on the country, you want if you're doing

1461
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 3: this public service thing, you'll tell you there's a lot

1462
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 3: about it that isn't super pleasant at all times. So

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01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 3: if you're going to do it, you might as well

1464
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Speaker 3: have the biggest possible impact.

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Speaker 1: You can have.

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Speaker 3: And the way I look at it is Donald Trump,

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Speaker 3: He's got it covered at the federal level. I'm rooting

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Speaker 3: for success, and I expect success, but it's not gonna

1469
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Speaker 3: be a one man show.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day.

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Speaker 3: He got fifty states that have also have to tackle

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Speaker 3: these very same problems, and especially when it's questions of affordability,

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Speaker 3: questions really into education.

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Speaker 1: Education is all driven by the states. I think the

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Speaker 1: States is where it's.

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Speaker 3: At in terms of actually the need to drive real change.

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Speaker 3: And so at my sites accordingly, and yeah, I've tried

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01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 3: to and I'm going to hopefully stay true to not

1479
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 3: just talking about this stuff but to actually translate it

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Speaker 3: to action. And I do think that this is a

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Speaker 3: lot of the issues. We're talking about bringing down housing costs,

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Speaker 3: that is not a part.

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Speaker 1: Of an issue.

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of Republicans who are pissed off

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Speaker 3: about high housing costs, a lot of Democrats who are

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Speaker 3: pissed off about high housing costs.

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Speaker 1: And it is not a nature made problem. It's not

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Speaker 1: a law physics. It is a man made problem. And

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01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: a man made problem has a man made solution. And

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump can set the tone. But those regulations, most

1491
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Speaker 1: of them are actually at the state level.

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01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 3: Same thing with respect education, determining whether or not that

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01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 3: poor young kid in the inner city, black, Hispanic, or

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01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 3: white can go to an actual good school isn't determined

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Speaker 3: by the federal government. It's determined by actually those state laws.

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Speaker 3: Same thing with respect to food restrictions, the constraints on

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Speaker 3: nuclear energy production, a lot of those are at the

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Speaker 3: state level.

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Speaker 1: And so I'm.

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Speaker 3: Actually excited about making sure that we're not just looking

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01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 3: at this as a one size fits all solution.

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Speaker 1: I supported Donald Trump pretty heavily.

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01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 3: I dedicated a significant part of my last year to

1504
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 3: getting him elected because I thought he would restore that

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01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 3: sense of spine, that sense of greatness to America. But

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01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 3: it's never one man show. It's never one man coming

1507
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 3: down from the White House to save us. It's never

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Speaker 3: been that way. In fact, our founders envisioned this system

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Speaker 3: of federalism to be led by the state's bottom up

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Speaker 3: as well, and so I'm excited for both of those

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Speaker 3: to work in the next couple of years.

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Speaker 5: Do you think you will push out of those because

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01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 5: Trump rolled back the DEI initiatives?

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Speaker 3: No, the contrary, And you know, I would say, just

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01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 3: to be super clear about I have no problem with

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01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 3: you framing or whatever. It was really just an actual

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01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 3: mutual decision where you look at here was one vision

1518
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Speaker 3: on approach, here's a different vision on an approach that's great.

1519
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 3: There's no right or wrong answer with a technology driven

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01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 3: approach and a technology first approach, there's no better person

1521
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 3: than Elon to run with that. With a constitutional law focus,

1522
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 3: with a legislation focus. Some of the areas I was

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01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 3: focused on, probably the right place to do it is

1524
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 3: elected office. And so we all agreed on that, and

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Speaker 3: I think that that's actually a good thing where we're

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Speaker 3: able to where we're actually able to collaborate, divide and

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Speaker 3: conqueror behave.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't believe you.

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Speaker 5: I think you either got pushed out you know that

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Speaker 5: it's going to implode. I think that you know Elon

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Speaker 5: is going crash and burn it. And you're a smart guy,

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Speaker 5: and you said, you know what, let me get out of.

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Speaker 4: Dodge and go do my governor Ohio thing.

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Speaker 1: So look, I know.

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Speaker 3: I knew that the right step for me in the

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01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 3: long run is elected office and to pursue the vision

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Speaker 3: that we're talking about here, to actually translate that to

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Speaker 3: action of my own terms, that's what I've been called

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01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 3: to do. It was clear that I could not do

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Speaker 3: that and serve on Doge at the same time, even

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Speaker 3: for logistical reasons.

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Speaker 1: It came to be in the government rather than an

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Speaker 1: outside body.

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01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 3: I was proud to be able to spend the first

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Speaker 3: couple of months offering my contributions and setting it in

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01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 3: the right direction with its focus now with its digital

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01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 3: technology focus. No better person to do that than Elon

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Speaker 3: in the way that he's going to lead it. And

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Speaker 3: I am hopeful that there's going to be a lot

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Speaker 3: of stream lining of government bureaucracy that comes out of that,

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Speaker 3: and I'm pursuing my next steps.

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Speaker 1: At the state.

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Speaker 3: We're on, we're all on very good terms, and so

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to speak for anybody else, but I

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01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 3: will say that they are very supportive of of the

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Speaker 3: decision that I made to pursue is my next step.

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Speaker 1: All Right, you've been here a long time and.

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Speaker 5: You hit me up every weekend and said, I cannot

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Speaker 5: wait until you unhit your horse from this Maga wagon.

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01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 1: And you can tell me I got my horse hitch

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Speaker 1: to one wagon. And I'm not being corny about it.

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Speaker 1: I really mean it. It is the America Wagon.

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Speaker 3: I love this country and I will you know what,

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01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 3: I would rather fight to this country for the principles

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01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 3: I believe in and stand for and lose than to

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01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 3: win by checking some box along the way. And this

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01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 3: next step for me, I think is going to be

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01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 3: it's going to be really good.

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Speaker 4: You don't want your horse hits to the Maga wagon.

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01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 3: My horse is hitched to the America wagon. And I think,

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01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 3: and I think making America great again, by the way,

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01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 3: I'm all in for that. I'm all in for making

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01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 3: America great again. If we're doing our jobs four years

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01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 3: from now, we won't be saying make America great again,

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01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 3: We'll just say make America greater. That's who we've always been.

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Speaker 3: So I want to turn Maga into mag Okay, so

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Speaker 3: we don't have to make America great again.

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01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: We just have to make America greater.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's good to have the humility to

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01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 3: say make America great again. Acknowledges we're not perfect right now,

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01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 3: and some people just.

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Speaker 4: Great because they've never experienced the greatnesstead.

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01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 3: Of let's make America greater than it's ever been. That's

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Speaker 3: what I'm all in for.

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Speaker 6: You're going to be able to really do that as governor,

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01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 6: you're gonna have that is that just for you to

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01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 6: be there and be quiet until you figure.

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01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: Out, well, I'm not gonna be quiet. I'm not very

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01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: good at that, and uh, you better believe that.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna have a lot to say at every step

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01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 3: of this way. I don't believe in being shackled, and

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01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 3: I think that the ability to lead a state but

1593
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 3: also to be able to revive this culture of victory

1594
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 3: over victimhood in America, that's what I care about. We're victors,

1595
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 3: not victims.

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01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: That's who we are. And I don't care where that

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01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 1: comes from I've been from my first book Woking all

1598
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: the way through everything I've done ever since.

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01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 3: I'm against victimhood culture where victors were exceptional. We believe

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01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 3: in excellence, we believe in we believe in being unconstrained

1601
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 3: as a people and as a country. Well, if I'm

1602
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 3: going to be a leader in that country, I'm going

1603
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 3: to be pretty unconstrained at every step of the way too.

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Speaker 1: So that's why I look at it.

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Speaker 4: Big Grumaswami.

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Speaker 2: Good luck in Ohio, and uh, how are you going

1607
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 2: to take care of our Haitian family over there that

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01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 2: you know?

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Speaker 3: Trump said, Well, I visited a number of them, Uh,

1610
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 3: in Springfield, and I think that I spent a lot

1611
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 3: of time in Springfield growing up.

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Speaker 1: Actually any of them, we didn't. Oh yeah, no we

1613
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 1: did not. We hung out.

1614
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 4: We hung out.

1615
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 3: It was it was the daytime where we hung out.

1616
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 3: But I would say that I will say that it's

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01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:41,439
Speaker 3: understandable where you have a tiny community, that it's really

1618
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 3: small population in Springfield that has had its population dramatically transformed.

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01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 3: I don't blame anybody. That's what I said when I

1620
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 3: went visited Springfield. I don't blame anybody in that community.

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01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 3: I don't blame the people who live in Springfield for

1622
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 3: being upset. I don't blame Haitians who made decisions for

1623
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 3: their own family to end up in Springfield the way

1624
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 3: they are. I do blame a lot of Field government policies.

1625
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 3: And at the end of the day, you could sit

1626
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 3: back and blame the government all you want, and some

1627
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 3: of At a certain point in time, I said, Okay,

1628
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 3: I'm sitting here offering commentary from an armchair.

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Speaker 1: I'm done with that.

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01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 3: I want to go in and actually be through action,

1631
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 3: make a difference that you want to see. The best

1632
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 3: way to do it is from elected office, and I

1633
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 3: prefer an executive office that involves actually being an executive

1634
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 3: rather than just being one among a chorus of one hundred.

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Speaker 4: I'm just ready to see you.

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01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 5: But I think you're a smart dude, and I listened

1637
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 5: to a lot of your interviews and I watch you

1638
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 5: a lot, and I'm like, yo, you know, the VIC

1639
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 5: says some things that I can get with, but I'm just.

1640
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you might, I'm not.

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01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be constrained by anybody. And you

1642
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 3: know what I eve my you can watch me over

1643
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 3: the next year. You know, wining some election. Most politicians

1644
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 3: their goal is to get re elected. I don't need

1645
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 3: to get elected anything. We live a great life, We

1646
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:52,959
Speaker 3: live the American dream. This is my way of giving back.

1647
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 3: What's the point of going through the motions if you're

1648
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 3: just going to be hamstrung by what you say and

1649
01:07:58,360 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 3: do in the first place? And so I think that,

1650
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 3: let me put it this way, running to be the

1651
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 3: chief executive of a state, a governor, short of being

1652
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 3: a president, is the single greatest way to have unshackled

1653
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 3: impact on your country. And I'll look forward to making

1654
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 3: a big announcement about that in a few weeks.

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Speaker 2: All right, it's Vivick Ramaswami. We appreciate you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Continue man, It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, Wake that

1657
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: ass up in the morning.

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Speaker 4: The Breakfast Club.