Speaker 1: On this episode of this League, we are going to
Speaker 1: respond to the first wild forty eight hours of NBA
Speaker 1: free agency. Cannot wait until Friday. Things are moving all
Speaker 1: over the place and it has been a fun ride.
Speaker 2: So let's get into it.
Speaker 1: Lots to go over, winners and losers, drop the beat
Speaker 1: to take care and I said, you'll be waiting for.
Speaker 3: Clean never stop.
Speaker 4: We got the grand.
Speaker 2: NiFe go, let me go, there we go, cap going.
Speaker 3: Everybody knows.
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty one free agency has been wild. I covered
Speaker 2: first hour of it on TikTok Live.
Speaker 1: It was just a slew of information coming at me
Speaker 1: from Shams and woj and fucking Chris Haynes and random
Speaker 1: guys like Henry Abbotts.
Speaker 2: Every single minute felt like.
Speaker 1: Something new was going on and deal terms and boom
Speaker 1: boom boom, boom boom. At this point, before we get
Speaker 1: into winners and losers, few free agent issues and still
Speaker 1: need to be solved. We still don't have any word
Speaker 1: about what Kawhi is doing, despite the fact that everyone
Speaker 1: has said he expects to come back to the Clippers.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure why it is.
Speaker 1: Wednesday, at twelve thirty pm, Chris Paul signed his huge deal,
Speaker 1: which we will get into. Of course, Marty should be happy.
Speaker 1: Four years, one hundred and twenty million dollars. The rumor
Speaker 1: was that the Hornets were trying to pry him away
Speaker 1: for one hundred million, which is just fucking or not
Speaker 1: Hornets Pelicans, excuse me, which is you see the Hornets
Speaker 1: his former team.
Speaker 2: As if a fucked up sort of, it's sort of
Speaker 2: his former team.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the Browns and the and the
Speaker 1: Ravens and like the franchises.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, no, I think technically he's still part of
Speaker 3: the Charlotte Hornets, like franchise history. But still yeah, now
Speaker 3: former team, and it's always great news when GM's leak
Speaker 3: moves they tried to make. That means the state of
Speaker 3: the Pelicans is very.
Speaker 1: Good, very very We almost had Chris Paul if the
Speaker 1: Suns didn't end up going and paying them. So they
Speaker 1: paid Chris Paul, which was inevitable we thought. But I
Speaker 1: still know Khy still no Kuhi, very weird, Dinwittie. I
Speaker 1: think he's going to the Wizards, but that's very complicated
Speaker 1: because it's a sign and trade situation. They don't have
Speaker 1: enough money to just pay him out right and he's
Speaker 1: probably going to the Wizards via the scrap Heap aka
Speaker 1: the Oklahoma City Thunder, probably taking Kuzma's contract on and
Speaker 1: probably having to give them a twenty twenty five pick
Speaker 1: because they owe the twenty twenty three first round pick,
Speaker 1: and the only way that it can't be unprotected is
Speaker 1: if Sam Presty says is actually doing the deal to
Speaker 1: because they'll get twenty twenty five and twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: so it'll be like they're like trickle down, hard to explain,
Speaker 1: very complicated.
Speaker 3: Kruzma and Okac would be so beautiful.
Speaker 2: I kind of love that.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's exactly what I've said forever, Like if
Speaker 3: he played on any other team, no one would know
Speaker 3: his name, and he's just going to fade so beautifully
Speaker 3: into obscurity and I never have to hear his name again.
Speaker 3: It's going to be so lovely.
Speaker 2: Reggie Jackson, we still don't know.
Speaker 1: The Bulls need to move Lori Markanen or they need
Speaker 1: to let him go for free. That's like a big
Speaker 1: free agent that no one's really talking about. And Kelly Ubre,
Speaker 1: who knows what's gonna happen with him, And then obviously
Speaker 1: Dennis Shuter just eroding into dust, just eroding into dust.
Speaker 1: Somebody on Twitter was like, took my old take and
Speaker 1: they quote tweeted it and like white woman telling black
Speaker 1: man what his worth is and it's like, I'm not
Speaker 1: doing anything. Yeah, all I'm doing is really illuminating what
Speaker 1: the market looks like for Dennis Shooter.
Speaker 2: And it's not good. I think he gets like ten million.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean no, it's looking very bad. I mean
Speaker 3: we talked about it in the preview episode where it
Speaker 3: was just this point guard like Russian Roulette, and the
Speaker 3: two guys like left at the end of it are
Speaker 3: Dennis Shreuter and Reggie Jackson. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think Reggie Jackson might just come back
Speaker 1: first scraps to the Clippers.
Speaker 2: And that's fine, but like what is Yeah anyway, anyway.
Speaker 1: Here's the winners and losers CP three Biggest Winner just
Speaker 1: just thirty seven, right, thirty seven, thirty six about to
Speaker 1: be thirty seven started the next season, and by the
Speaker 1: time this deal is up, he'll be fucking Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: He'll be forty one at the at the expiration day
Speaker 1: to this deal. He's getting one hundred and twenty million
Speaker 1: dollars just like we thought in the middle of I
Speaker 1: think it came out.
Speaker 2: Right before the playoffs, maybe.
Speaker 1: When he said he was going to turn down The
Speaker 1: rumors were he was going to turn down that forty
Speaker 1: million dollars maybe the first round.
Speaker 3: Or something like that. But the fourth year is a
Speaker 3: team option, which people haven't been broadcasting as much as
Speaker 3: they should.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Three, so it's really a three year deal.
Speaker 1: Jared Allen five years, one hundred million, shitload of money. Also,
Speaker 1: what are the Cavs doing Evan Mobley and him?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Lonzo Ball paid four years eighty five million to the Bulls. Uh,
Speaker 1: then DeRozan three years eighty five What did I say
Speaker 1: he should not take less because if he takes less
Speaker 1: now he's never getting money again.
Speaker 2: And he did exactly what he should have done, is.
Speaker 1: Find the highest bidder with the best situation for him
Speaker 1: to put up lots of minutes, lots of bucket buckets.
Speaker 2: They also then.
Speaker 1: Signed Alex Caruso the Chicago Bulls to four years thirty seven.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that sounds about right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, four years thirty seven. Wow, I can't believe I
Speaker 1: remember that. So four years thirty seven. So now it's
Speaker 1: Alice Caruso.
Speaker 3: They're doing my philosophy of like just a score million points.
Speaker 1: Score million points, but also have a contingency plan in
Speaker 1: place to still have guys that can get you a bucket.
Speaker 1: When your number one bucket has to go, which is
Speaker 1: Zach Colvine.
Speaker 2: Zack Levine has to go.
Speaker 1: They're not going to pay him the supermax, which is
Speaker 1: what Zach Clovine wants, so he's probably gonna get end
Speaker 1: up getting traded for more pieces. So Lourie Mark and
Speaker 1: I think we'll obviously get moved for something of value.
Speaker 1: So I like what the Chicago Bulls are doing. Karnisovas
Speaker 1: is making moves, So that's a winner. Duncan Robinson five years,
Speaker 1: ninety million to stay.
Speaker 2: With the Heat.
Speaker 3: Wow, what a success story.
Speaker 2: What is success story? Where did he go to Wesleyan?
Speaker 2: What was his first college?
Speaker 1: He went to seventy three tiny ass liberal arts school
Speaker 1: in the middle of bumfuck New England and then transferred
Speaker 1: to Michigan and fucking made a run in the tournament
Speaker 1: and then ended up in a great situation and plays
Speaker 1: his role very well. And now he's just worth one
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. Put that in the bank invest that
Speaker 1: in some Doache cooin and off you go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fella.
Speaker 1: Podcaster fellow podcaster broke it on the podcast, which I
Speaker 1: thought was tremendous. Norm Powell staying with the Blazers for
Speaker 1: five years ninety million dollars. A lot of guys signing
Speaker 1: five year, ninety million dollar deals. Everybody says, oh, well,
Speaker 1: when you see six guys get paid all five years
Speaker 1: for ninety what you know what that is is GM's
Speaker 1: all getting on a group chat and saying that's what
Speaker 1: the market for these guys is.
Speaker 2: Eighteen million. Derreck Rose stays with the Knicks three years,
Speaker 2: forty three million. Love that for him.
Speaker 1: Gary Trent three years fifty four million, same deal, eighteen
Speaker 1: extensions for Curry extensions.
Speaker 3: Man, the Curry extension. That Curry extension fifty two million
Speaker 3: a year.
Speaker 1: Wow, five years, four and one cause he's got one
Speaker 1: year left, four years, two hundred and fifteen million dollars. Wow,
Speaker 1: Shay gets his bag five years, one hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: two million. That was shocking to me. Not shocking from
Speaker 1: like a make sense standpoint, but a shocking from did
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City actually like I didn't know Oklahoma City would
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, it was I guess. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 3: you gotta like having Shay on your team, and right
Speaker 3: like maybe all that shit was just like smoke.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Trey Young five years, two hundred and eight million.
Speaker 1: These guys all getting their their bags. Also, John Collins,
Speaker 1: I just was reading it. John Collins gets twenty five
Speaker 1: million dollars a year?
Speaker 3: Did he sign it?
Speaker 1: He just it just happened, like maybe an hour ago.
Speaker 1: It happens, So we're good. So then the winners, in
Speaker 1: terms of I think for teams, I think the Heat
Speaker 1: are huge winners.
Speaker 2: Kyle Lowry getting Kyle Lowry makes sense.
Speaker 1: Then they give Butler the Brinks truck for what is it,
Speaker 1: four years, one eighty five.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a lot of money.
Speaker 1: Kyle Lowry so joins him Duncan Robinson then and then
Speaker 1: they get him on an extension, which they had to
Speaker 1: do because of the they have his Berg rights and
Speaker 1: they weren't gonna be able to sign anyone else.
Speaker 2: And then you've got PJ. Tucker, which the world.
Speaker 1: If anyone watched, listen to this pod religiously, I am
Speaker 1: the biggest PJ. Tucker fan, like to get him for
Speaker 1: two years and fifteen million dollars. He's gonna be the
Speaker 1: guy that will straight up punch Jimmy Butler in the
Speaker 1: mouth like he.
Speaker 2: Will in practice just tell him to shut the fuck up.
Speaker 3: Did you see his ig post man?
Speaker 1: Yeah? That I have that uh in here too, let's
Speaker 1: find that. So he said this because PJ. Tucker thought
Speaker 1: he was going to come back to the Bucks. And
Speaker 1: I think I thought he was going to come back
Speaker 1: to the Bucks, did you?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Pretty much everyone everyone thought he was going to
Speaker 3: come back. And Bobby.
Speaker 1: Opposite, Well, Bobby Ports took less money. He took two
Speaker 1: years for nine h PJ. Tucker quote, Wow, he puts
Speaker 1: this on ig. I'm still a little loss for words,
Speaker 1: to be honest, still shook, but it is what it
Speaker 1: is today. Took a hard turn on the road of
Speaker 1: my career. But like my grandma used to tell me,
Speaker 1: all you can control is what you can control without
Speaker 1: being said Milwaukee, and then he makes sure to say
Speaker 1: the city of Milwaukee, not the Milwaukee Buck, because fucked
Speaker 1: the Bucks right now is what he's on. You will
Speaker 1: never fully understand what the city means to me. Our
Speaker 1: time together, however, short will hold some of the best
Speaker 1: memories of my life forever. You took me in, had
Speaker 1: my back throughout our journey, and I will for always
Speaker 1: be grateful and hold you near to my heart. Can't
Speaker 1: thank y'all enough. We will always be dogs. Yeah that
Speaker 1: was sad, but I love that For the Heat, love yeah,
Speaker 1: love it. They get a guy who's gonna be rough
Speaker 1: and tough, get you with the defense, get you with
Speaker 1: the three pointer. The question that I have. They also
Speaker 1: got Mark if Morris. They signed Dwayne Deadman. Uh yeah, trash.
Speaker 1: They subtract Goran Dragig Kendrick Nunn Oladipo, which trash, trash, trash.
Speaker 2: Okay, So to me, who is gonna guard?
Speaker 1: Do they have a player right now that can actually
Speaker 1: check Joe lmbeat.
Speaker 2: Or check yohness.
Speaker 3: No, I mean the answer is no.
Speaker 2: What do you do at that point?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I don't know, So I think that they still have
Speaker 2: some work to do.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're maybe it's team defense, like maybe it's BAM
Speaker 1: with PJ.
Speaker 2: Tucker kind of like going back and forth.
Speaker 3: But I mean there's gonna be a lot put on BAM.
Speaker 1: Law unnecessary pressure on BAM like the Heat success.
Speaker 2: Are the Heat a top three team in the East,
Speaker 2: right now this is the.
Speaker 3: Top of my head. I mean, okay, Brooklyn Bucks.
Speaker 2: But yeah, then for sure three But like they're flirting,
Speaker 2: are they they're top five?
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be interesting the Knicks.
Speaker 1: For a while, I thought to myself, what the fuck
Speaker 1: are the Knicks up to? This is not making sense.
Speaker 1: You get rid of Reggie Bullock, which is fine. You
Speaker 1: picked up the Frenchman for four years, seventy eight million dollars,
Speaker 1: which is absurd, contract absurd. He was not good for
Speaker 1: the Boston Celtics. He was so not good for the
Speaker 1: Boston Celtics that they wouldn't resign him and they would
Speaker 1: rather have Josh Richardson. Okay, and then you signed he
Speaker 1: rose love the signing sign Alec Brooks didn't know what
Speaker 1: that was about.
Speaker 2: Did not know because I think he got ten million.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he played well.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a lot of money though for just a guy,
Speaker 2: just a guy. Neurlans know what I like.
Speaker 1: But nothing really moved me until today, until the Oklahoma
Speaker 1: City Thunder pulled what I would consider to be a
Speaker 1: mench move in buying out Kemba Walker and letting.
Speaker 2: Him go back home to New York City. I love that.
Speaker 1: I think, no matter what, because we know that Kemba
Speaker 1: Walker's washed, right, like we know that he's not healthy.
Speaker 2: We know that he's not healthy.
Speaker 3: I think he and d Rose kind of spelling each
Speaker 3: other could work. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2: I think when he has those spurts. I think he
Speaker 2: averaged like nineteen and a half points a game last year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he didn't forget how to score. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he knows how to score. It's just like he doesn't
Speaker 1: know how to stay on the court. And as long
Speaker 1: as he and d Rose kind of play ham and egg,
Speaker 1: like you sit these three games, I sit that those
Speaker 1: three games, I think they're going to be fine.
Speaker 2: I love that move me too, I love that move.
Speaker 1: Lakers, ah Man, I don't know. It's hard for me
Speaker 1: to figure out what this. Are they winners or are
Speaker 1: they losers? TV continued.
Speaker 3: I mean so many people are talking about now that
Speaker 3: they're like instant like favorites to come out of the West,
Speaker 3: and they may be like in Vegas at the start
Speaker 3: of the year, but I don't really look at it
Speaker 3: that way. I think they're probably favorites to get the
Speaker 3: one seed. But again, like we've seen the problems Westbrook
Speaker 3: poses in the playoffs, and yeah, no, I I think
Speaker 3: if I had to like make a prediction right now,
Speaker 3: this Lakers team is the one seed and they lose
Speaker 3: in either the second round or conference.
Speaker 1: Finals, they're like a they're like the Jazz. They're basically
Speaker 1: like the New Jazz in the fact that like they'll
Speaker 1: be the one seed and they'll flame out. I saw
Speaker 1: this that the Lakers went full sickle mode. I might
Speaker 1: take all my exes and all put them in a group.
Speaker 1: That was like basically basically.
Speaker 2: What they did.
Speaker 1: They brought Wayne Ellington back, they brought Trevor Ariza Beck,
Speaker 1: they brought Dwight Howard Beck, they brought marcasol Beck, Baysmore
Speaker 1: Baysmore Beck.
Speaker 2: It's just it's a wild wild turn event.
Speaker 1: So they have now Russell Westbrook for forty, Trevor for
Speaker 1: two point six. Everybody's taking minimums two point six, two
Speaker 1: point six, two point six, two point six, one point
Speaker 1: eight for Malik Monk. Wow, Malik Monk got UNDERPAIDA did
Speaker 1: he not?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Wow, Portland couldn't have gotten Elik Monk for fucking more
Speaker 1: money than that.
Speaker 3: I mean, we'll never know what he was thinking. Maybe
Speaker 3: he just like really wanted to go there, but that's
Speaker 3: wild at that point in your career. Yeah, Like, I
Speaker 3: mean maybe the market was just nothing for him, which
Speaker 3: is weird. Yeah, I don't know that surprised me.
Speaker 2: Warnants were like he was way too inconsistent. We're not
Speaker 2: keeping that guy.
Speaker 1: So remember I said, I think they're gonna let him go,
Speaker 1: and you're like, I think maybe Michael Jordan wants to
Speaker 1: keep the guy that he picked.
Speaker 3: But yeah, but he basically got a minimum contract like that.
Speaker 1: Why, I guess they just want book Knight to have
Speaker 1: more touches and more ability to not feel pressure from
Speaker 1: this guy that he drafted and and him kind of
Speaker 1: putting pressure on them to get mints.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the thing that's interesting about the Lakers is this,
Speaker 1: they did everything that they needed to do with Westbrook,
Speaker 1: and I'm still not satisfied. Like they they went out
Speaker 1: and got all those shooters they did, Like Mellow shot
Speaker 1: forty thirty and forty percent the last two.
Speaker 2: Seasons in Portland from three.
Speaker 1: Uh, then you've got Baysmore shot forty one percent on threes,
Speaker 1: Monk shot forty percent on threes, Ellington forty two percent
Speaker 1: on threes. Kendrick Nunn thirty eight percent on a high
Speaker 1: volume of threes, Gossaw forty one percent on threes.
Speaker 2: And yet when you've.
Speaker 1: Got a d Braun Westbrook and Taylor Horton Tucker who
Speaker 1: came back for a lot of money, you're only gonna
Speaker 1: have one shooter, one real shooter on the floor at
Speaker 1: a time.
Speaker 3: I think we could see some interesting lineups, but at
Speaker 3: the same time it's Vogel, so maybe not.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 1: That is exactly where my mind went, was, like, they
Speaker 1: have a lot of shooters.
Speaker 2: The second unit could be really fun. The second unit
Speaker 2: could actually be in some ways.
Speaker 1: More potent offensively, probably a SIEV defensively. But okay, you
Speaker 1: put Russell Westbrook out there, Mark Gasol and a bunch
Speaker 1: of shooters and like.
Speaker 2: He's just kicking out. He's driving and kicking out to
Speaker 2: like three.
Speaker 1: I don't hate that. But it all falls on Vogel.
Speaker 1: Jason Kidd is gone. He's gone either the real coach
Speaker 1: Daddy's gone, and now the substitute teacher's in there, and
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how much I trust
Speaker 1: Vogel because this is a very complicated set. This is
Speaker 1: a roster that's very complex to me, the rotations are
Speaker 1: going to be key. Who are you putting together? How
Speaker 1: does that all fit defensively and offensively?
Speaker 2: This could be a fucking mess.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And one of my thoughts was like, I mean,
Speaker 3: you know how Ad like never wants to be like
Speaker 3: a pure five. He wants to like have another besides it.
Speaker 3: But like Peleika was kind of like, well, you're gonna
Speaker 3: have to look at some points like because who else?
Speaker 3: Who else?
Speaker 1: Otherwise the spacing is going to be totally fucked Well,
Speaker 1: there's just no one else to play with that.
Speaker 3: I mean, Marcus all can't play the entire time and Dwight, Yeah,
Speaker 3: we can't start.
Speaker 2: We know that Dwight's not starting.
Speaker 1: No, they have no ability to start anyone else but
Speaker 1: Ad at the five. It's like starting at the five, Ad,
Speaker 1: and he's like fuck. So I'm really interested to see
Speaker 1: this because I think they've got so many shooters and
Speaker 1: yet are still going to be a below average three
Speaker 1: point shooting team by mid season. That's what's crazy, because
Speaker 1: there's only gonna be one good shooter on the team
Speaker 1: at a time.
Speaker 3: I think the games it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be They're finally gonna be fun. But
Speaker 1: it's also gonna be like high highs lo los, Like
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some some nights where Russell Westbrook shoots
Speaker 1: four for twenty four. Lebron is like putting a team
Speaker 1: on his back. He's maybe ice in his ankle, like
Speaker 1: you got Waynellington getting a huge minutes.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be really interesting.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be the year of the Lebron subtweet correct.
Speaker 1: Correct where he's like talking about Championship DNA. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: all old, they're all old as fuck. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: really really fun again. Chicago Bulls, I think they're they're fun,
Speaker 1: they're interesting. Uh, Zach Lavine, I think he leaves just because,
Speaker 1: like I love the fact Caruso and Damar and Lonzo
Speaker 1: on the floor, Like you could play Lonzo at two,
Speaker 1: or you could play Lonzo one and Alex Kruce off
Speaker 1: the bench.
Speaker 2: So they've got no depth, zero depth.
Speaker 1: At this point, it's Lonzo, Levine, Damar, Patrick Williams, Vooch
Speaker 1: and then Caruso, Kobe White, Lori Markin and who's gone
Speaker 1: and some newbies and Denzel Valentine. So this is this
Speaker 1: is a fun ass starting five, and once the starting
Speaker 1: five is gassed, you've got a bunch of like schmos
Speaker 1: shmos to me, losers, let's go into it. God damn,
Speaker 1: what is going on with Golden State.
Speaker 2: I knew it was bad. I knew.
Speaker 1: First of all, congratulations to Steph getting his money well deserved.
Speaker 1: Big filating article from Marcus Thompson today in The Athletic
Speaker 1: that basically Steph is saying, Hey, if I didn't sign
Speaker 1: off and like what the Warriors were doing, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have signed this long term deal for two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars. I would have just gone and lost
Speaker 1: sixty million dollars go elsewhere. That's a lie, folks, That's
Speaker 1: a lie. One hundred percent of lie. He needs to
Speaker 1: say this, that's like probably what was a part of
Speaker 1: the rider of the deal getting done, like this one
Speaker 1: on one with Marcus Thompson to say I have complete
Speaker 1: confidence in Rob or in Joe lacub and Bob Myers.
Speaker 2: You don't. You just don't, so, okay, that's fine.
Speaker 1: When I knew it was bad was when Kent Basmore
Speaker 1: took less money to play for the Lakers. Camp Basmore
Speaker 1: and Steph Curry are friends. Camp Basemore shot forty one
Speaker 1: percent from three camp Besmore got high high lows in
Speaker 1: terms of his minutes, like he had a lot of
Speaker 1: roller coaster moments and he was.
Speaker 2: Like, fuck that, I am gone.
Speaker 1: This Lakers team with guys that were in their primes
Speaker 1: in twenty twelve, they have a better shot than doing
Speaker 1: anything than Steph Curry and Klay Thompson.
Speaker 2: So that was a problem.
Speaker 1: I think losing out on Nick Patoom another sign that
Speaker 1: warned that kind of like set alarm bells a little bit.
Speaker 1: You've got guy who should go there that decided they
Speaker 1: will not be going there. They lost out on trading
Speaker 1: Kelly Uber during the season, and now it looks like
Speaker 1: they're not gonna get shipped for him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah, who's taking them.
Speaker 1: They lost that on Patty Mills. Patty Mill said no,
Speaker 1: he went to the nets to me, to me, it's
Speaker 1: not good. Now they're trying to do a Joe Ingles
Speaker 1: sign and trade with Kelly Ubra.
Speaker 2: I don't think. So where is this team in your opinion?
Speaker 3: I mean it's unless there's like trades come in. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be ugly. It's gonna be ugly. There's gonna
Speaker 3: be a lot of infighting, which I mean there has
Speaker 3: been a lot of infighting, you know for the last
Speaker 3: two seasons since KD left. So yeah, no, it's gonna
Speaker 3: be ugly season, I think unless they figure out a
Speaker 3: way to move some of their young guys.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and they don't seem committed to doing that
Speaker 2: in any way.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, they don't. And yeah no I don't see
Speaker 3: it happening.
Speaker 1: I'm just very curious why more people don't see this disaster,
Speaker 1: like right in front of them. People just love Steph,
Speaker 1: they just love stuff. They just want to see him
Speaker 1: be Batman, and like he can't do that. He's so
Speaker 1: sloppy with the rock in crunch time when he doesn't
Speaker 1: have anyone around him. Like if you think Klay Thompson
Speaker 1: is going to be exactly who he was without before
Speaker 1: acl and Achilles tears, I just are on opposite legs.
Speaker 2: Like I just don't know what to tell ya.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, I mean he's not gonna be able to
Speaker 3: do it. And like Andy Luce said the other day,
Speaker 3: I mean he may be like the Clay Thompson of old,
Speaker 3: but he's not gonna be the Clay Thompson bold for
Speaker 3: thirty five minutes a game.
Speaker 2: Absolutely not, And he's not going to be a Clamps
Speaker 2: defender on the ball.
Speaker 3: Hell no on that.
Speaker 1: So that is kind of what Clay was making his
Speaker 1: money on. He got paid big money and hasn't played
Speaker 1: for two years and maybe it won't be back until January,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of like, man, I just see this
Speaker 1: being if there was one team that I could bet on,
Speaker 1: if Vegas had like the disaster team of.
Speaker 2: The year, I would bet on the Warriors.
Speaker 3: I wonder what their win told.
Speaker 2: Is going to be forty. I think they sit the
Speaker 2: line at forty. Yeah, forty three, maybe forty three.
Speaker 3: I like the under.
Speaker 2: I like the under. Forty is a tough, tough line,
Speaker 2: and forty is the line that makes me say.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 3: Forty three, I'll hop on the under, but forty forty
Speaker 3: is a tough line.
Speaker 1: That's why I think that's what it would be, all right,
Speaker 1: Milwaukee Bucks losers. Really, I just think like they should
Speaker 1: have done everything that they could to to break bring
Speaker 1: back PJ.
Speaker 2: Tucker.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think like, if you say, okay, who.
Speaker 1: Is more impactful the net series, Bobby Portis was getting
Speaker 1: DMPs and PJ was locking down Katie locking down quote unquote,
Speaker 1: he still put up fifty piece.
Speaker 2: But like without PJ on that team, they don't get
Speaker 2: past the nets. They just do not.
Speaker 1: So I think losing him will be a much bigger
Speaker 1: deal than we think. But like the Bucks are still great,
Speaker 1: they're still doing well that they didn't lose anyone really
Speaker 1: of value. They're gonna get Dante Vincenzo back from me, like,
Speaker 1: they're still going to be the favorites to go to
Speaker 1: the finals.
Speaker 2: I think again, I.
Speaker 3: Think getting Bobby back for nothing it's huge.
Speaker 2: I just like PJ a lot.
Speaker 1: I don't know whether the Portland Trailblazers care about Damian Lillard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like yeah, yeah, tough moves, no moves.
Speaker 2: Bad moves. I said this on Twitter.
Speaker 1: I said, well, they really don't give a fuck, because
Speaker 1: when you when Damian Lillard says we need to upgrade
Speaker 1: this roster to make it a championship roster, and your
Speaker 1: response is picking up Cody Zeller and Ben Macklemore and
Speaker 1: the big the big pickup being Tony Snell.
Speaker 3: These were all twenty thirteen draft class members. I think
Speaker 3: I don't know about Snell, but Zeller and mackilmore were
Speaker 3: and that's one of the noted worst draft classes of
Speaker 3: the laws in.
Speaker 1: My mouth and swallow it back in Like that's where
Speaker 1: I was, like, I'm so angry and the only way
Speaker 1: this makes sense, Like these are all pieces that you
Speaker 1: put around a championship team as role players, Like these
Speaker 1: are all guys that you're like, Oh, if the Bucks
Speaker 1: signed Tony Snell, you'd be like, oh, he could be
Speaker 1: like a Bobby Portis, Like Bobby Portas doesn't move the
Speaker 1: needle unless Bobby Portas is on a championship team, right,
Speaker 1: Like Cody Zeller, great backup guy to get you better
Speaker 1: defense than Enis Kanter. Okay, cool, cool, cool cool. Ben
Speaker 1: mcilmore can shoot corner threes.
Speaker 2: Cool cool cool? But like, what are we doing with
Speaker 2: the shooting guard position because you have CJ.
Speaker 1: McCollum and Norm Powell that both plays shooting guard one
Speaker 1: guy six y five, one guy sixty three.
Speaker 3: I know who I want to who do you want
Speaker 3: playing shooting guard?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean is it not CJ?
Speaker 1: No? I want Norm Powell, and I want CJ gone.
Speaker 1: I want CJ fucking gone. Now I want Pascal Siakam Yesterday.
Speaker 1: Like that's the move that everybody is saying that the
Speaker 1: Blazers are trying to do because Norm Powell doesn't want
Speaker 1: to play three, he doesn't want to play small forward.
Speaker 1: His natural position is shooting guard. CJ's natural position is
Speaker 1: shooting guard. Yeah, And truthfully, one guy's making eighteen million,
Speaker 1: the other guy's making thirty million, and I don't really
Speaker 1: give a fuck about the friendship anymore.
Speaker 2: I want him gone. Like until he's gone, this team
Speaker 2: is not going anywhere.
Speaker 1: This team is in eight seed, six seed, like they're
Speaker 1: gone their first on exit, Like Damian Lillard.
Speaker 2: Is gonna be so mad.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be so bad through the trade deadline and
Speaker 1: Nurkic deal that hasn't gotten done.
Speaker 2: So I'm so mad at what the Portlandreia Blazers are doing.
Speaker 2: They're doing fucking nothing.
Speaker 1: They're doing about as much as the Dallas Mavericks, which
Speaker 1: signing Reggie buck Gross fine, fine, fine, fine, fine, resigning
Speaker 1: Tim Hardaway, fine, Willie Cally signed, Fine, Bulban fine, Moses
Speaker 1: Brown whatever.
Speaker 3: Fine, it's gonna be the same team.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the same ass team. So what are
Speaker 1: they doing is Luca Luca doesn't care. He doesn't care
Speaker 1: he's gonna get gore and dragic and they're gonna be
Speaker 1: like get just catching Slovenian vibes, just Slovenian vibes on
Speaker 1: the team, playing playing whatever Slovenian music they love and
Speaker 1: just chilling.
Speaker 2: Gross. Boston Celtics also very gross.
Speaker 1: They've just done They've just done nothing pretty much, like
Speaker 1: they're just like, yeah, we know we were terrible and
Speaker 1: we just barely made the eight seed and we got
Speaker 1: bounced in what it was a gentleman's sweep.
Speaker 2: Five what right or five so so long.
Speaker 3: Ago at this point, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yea yeah, five, And they're like, you know, you know
Speaker 1: who's gonna be a game changer for us is getting
Speaker 1: Enus cancer back and like picking up Josh Richardson instead
Speaker 1: of Evan Fournier, Like the beginning of the Brad Stevens
Speaker 1: GM legacy is off to a hot start.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Chris done. I don't hate I liked him. I mean,
Speaker 3: I mean I've kind of liked him most of his career,
Speaker 3: and going into last year, I thought he had a
Speaker 3: chance to like take a step, you know with a
Speaker 3: new team, but like he got COVID and like all that,
Speaker 3: So like I I haven't given up completely on Chris
Speaker 3: Done yet.
Speaker 1: I think he's gone. Think he's not even gonna be
Speaker 1: on the roster by the beginning of the year. That's
Speaker 1: what they're saying.
Speaker 2: You know, they're saying that they're in for another trade
Speaker 2: due to like the cap situation. So you've got a.
Speaker 1: Lineup of of Marcus Smart, Josh Richardson, Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum,
Speaker 1: and time Lord.
Speaker 2: I think that's like a six seed at best.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, it's not looking great.
Speaker 2: This is not good.
Speaker 1: No, So does anyone really can concede or think that
Speaker 1: this team can contend with the Bucks or the Nets,
Speaker 1: or with the Sixers or with the Heat like they're
Speaker 1: gonna get pounded. Talk about infighting, talk about the type
Speaker 1: of infighting that we saw with the Celtics last year.
Speaker 1: If they don't trade Marcus Smart for something now, like
Speaker 1: they're talking about Brad Stevens is being frustrated with Marcus Smart,
Speaker 1: like he needs to go. Like they do not have
Speaker 1: a real point guard on this team. No, that's probably
Speaker 1: the guy that needs to ye get bound. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: they have no point guard. They have no point guards
Speaker 1: on then, But like you said, maybe gone so but yeah,
Speaker 1: this is not a.
Speaker 2: Starting point guard. Gross, this is this is literally maybe
Speaker 2: one of the worst.
Speaker 1: Like this is low key one of the worst, because
Speaker 1: like Portland it's obvious, Dallas it's obvious sixers obvious, but
Speaker 1: like you have Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum and Jaylen
Speaker 1: Brown's coming off of injury. You've got two guys, legit
Speaker 1: all stars, and like there, you can't be a six
Speaker 1: seed when you have that in the East and getting
Speaker 1: worse and like you're and you have less good players
Speaker 1: like losing Kemba, losing Fournier and and losing Moses Brown,
Speaker 1: who you got like at the end of the year
Speaker 1: on that trade.
Speaker 2: I mean, at least they have aut Horford. I guess,
Speaker 2: I guess, I don't even know. I don't even know.
Speaker 2: That's not propelling you in any way in anyway, but people,
Speaker 2: you know, Celtics fans, they you know, how they feel
Speaker 2: about him. It's uh, it's.
Speaker 1: I'm I think they're really betting on getting bal and
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be very disappointed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like, I guess everyone just assumed that
Speaker 3: Bradley Beal wants out, but it just seems like he's like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't care. Yeah, why does everybody keep thinking
Speaker 1: I'm leaving and like, I like it here?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I like DC. Yeah, he's like in the vein
Speaker 3: of the nineties early two thousand superstars that were just like,
Speaker 3: you know, I'll stay with my old team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fine. Jared Weiss, I think said this best.
Speaker 1: He said Boston is in an absolutely precarious situation with
Speaker 1: no strong course correction after last season was such a
Speaker 1: mess that the organization had to be overhauled.
Speaker 2: The one thing that it does have is a player.
Speaker 1: In Tatum who can legally tamper with Bale more effectively
Speaker 1: than anyone in the NBA, which I think matters none.
Speaker 1: They're intel informing the Beal strategy should be as on
Speaker 1: point as it gets. The Celtics sink or swim with Beale,
Speaker 1: and it remains to be seen if that works out
Speaker 1: or not. It's not gonna work.
Speaker 3: What does that even mean? Why can Tatum legally tampered?
Speaker 1: They're like best friends from Saint Louis. Oh okay, so
Speaker 1: basically they're like super tight, so he can.
Speaker 3: But they're like kind of far apart in age. But
Speaker 3: I guess that doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Beel, what like babysat or something for Tatum.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's like some crazy five years apart. Yeah, yeah, Sixers.
Speaker 1: They couldn't trade Ben Simmons, which is a PR nightmare.
Speaker 1: This is a PR nightmare. With Ben Simmons is on
Speaker 1: the roster and they play a game in Philly, it's
Speaker 1: gonna get like, I don't I don't know how I
Speaker 1: can state this clearly enough. If you care about Ben Simmons'
Speaker 1: mental health, you have to think about trading him like
Speaker 1: for less, if you care about them like, you would
Speaker 1: trade him to anywhere that would do their very best
Speaker 1: to help him because he you can't stay at Philly.
Speaker 3: No, Philly is absolutely brutal. Yeah no, And like his
Speaker 3: camp has like said, like we understand the relationship is over.
Speaker 3: We're looking to move elsewhere, like, which is not shocking.
Speaker 3: And I think what's happening right now is Maury is
Speaker 3: so used to like, oh, we'll wait it out, We'll
Speaker 3: wait it out. I'll figure out a way to get
Speaker 3: the right deal. But in this situation, I think I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna pretend I'm smarter than Daryl Moury. But in
Speaker 3: this situation, I think with every passing day, the return
Speaker 3: on Ben Simmons gets worse and worse, so it could
Speaker 3: end up just being an awful, awful offseason to the Sixers.
Speaker 1: Part of me that loves chaos wants to see him
Speaker 1: stay on the roster because there's gonna be headlines of
Speaker 1: like a revolt, like there will be things thrown at him.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying what it is now, like just put
Speaker 1: yourself in the mind of an insane Philadelphia sports fan
Speaker 1: and what they did to Al Horford and what they've
Speaker 1: done to players in the past, and then magnify that
Speaker 1: to a thousand because he basically was the reason that
Speaker 1: they didn't go to the Eastern Conference finals.
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be so so bad. They also signed Andre.
Speaker 1: Drummond to a veteran minimum, which is hilarious. Hilarious because
Speaker 1: he thought he was getting the max. Andre Drummond told
Speaker 1: the world, I'm getting the max from the Lakers, And
Speaker 1: now you take the veteran minimum on a team where
Speaker 1: the starting center fucking hate your DUTs and thinks you
Speaker 1: were a fucking bomb. This is what in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: Joellenbid said about Andre Drummond. I own a lot of
Speaker 1: real estate in Andre Drummond's head and I'm on my
Speaker 1: way to build more. I think those are mushroom emojis,
Speaker 1: hashtag bomb, hashtag the process, hashtag bomb is in Philly.
Speaker 3: Uh uh uh?
Speaker 1: Folks, do they not scrub Twitter before they make these
Speaker 1: moves or call.
Speaker 2: Like did Joellen be sign off on this move?
Speaker 1: No chance? Right?
Speaker 3: I mean no chance? Yeah, I don't think he's consultant
Speaker 3: for things like that.
Speaker 2: Hashtag bomb veteran minimum.
Speaker 1: They wave George Hill, which is wild because I think
Speaker 1: George Hill was the only like adult presence in the room.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that one was kind of a head scratch. I
Speaker 3: don't really know what the motivation was there, Like that
Speaker 3: could have been a money thing, but yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: really know.
Speaker 1: To me, a catastrophic offseason so far for the Sixers,
Speaker 1: Like if you're starting, you're gonna start Tyrese Maxey at
Speaker 1: the one and you're gonna probably put Ben Simmons to another.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's gonna happen, but I'm intrigued to
Speaker 2: watch so far.
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