WEBVTT - 2025 U.S. Open Preview with Geoff Ogilvy 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.520 I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:04.920 When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:05.880 And when I find my. 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:08.720 Ball in a fried egg Friday Egg, the dreaded Frida 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:11.880 Egg Friday, Frida Egg, Brian Egg, fridagg Bride Egg Lie, 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:14.080 I'm about ready to run off of the hump course. 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:40.279 Welcome back to the Friday Egg Golf Podcast. I am 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:43.120 your host, Andy Johnson, and we are here. We are 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:46.159 at the US Open week. It will be the one 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:50.240 hundred and twenty fifth US Open at Oakmond. It's the 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:52.640 one hundred and twenty fifth US Open, not the one 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:57.040 hundred and twenty fifth at Oakmont. This is I think 0:00:57.080 --> 0:01:01.280 one of the more probably probably the most anticipated event 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:05.679 in golf post Masters win by Rory, which we didn't 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:07.880 know he was going to win the Masters, So I 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:10.240 would say this was the one you kind of circled 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:15.680 on the calendar as they tossed around. The quintessential US 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:19.200 Open course. I like the term that Garrett Morrison came 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:23.160 up with that for the phrase. Oakmont created his own 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:27.120 genre and it remains the only example of that type 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:29.080 of golf course. So we've got a big week ahead 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:33.120 today I'm I'm excited to be joined by Jeff Ogilvie, 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:37.600 the six US Open champion. We're going to preview the 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:45.039 championship ahead. You know, obviously Jeff won at wingfoot. He 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:49.200 was actually in the seven US Open at Oakmont as 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:53.880 the defending champion, so unique perspective, and he was a 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:56.440 part of our Oakmont video that if you haven't watched, 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:58.680 go check it out on YouTube. It's one of the 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:02.360 best things that we've ever made. Big thanks to our 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:05.960 team that put that together. Cameron heard us, Matt Rush's 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:09.519 really put a lot of work into that. Go check 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:12.800 that out. Week of for anybody in the area. I 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:18.240 will I am Brendan Poorath the Shotgun start. PJ. Clark 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.240 will be at Local Remedy as well as some other 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:25.000 members of our team. Joseph Lamania will be there. We 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:27.720 will be at Local Remedy Brewing, which is right down 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:32.359 the road from Oakmont. We will be doing things on Wednesday, Thursday, 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:36.720 and Friday and Saturday of the US Open, So if 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:39.520 you're in, if you're going, if you're in the neighborhood, 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:43.080 feel free to swing by. Those will mostly be nighttime 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:46.359 after play. I think Wednesday night We're doing just a 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:50.920 very casual thing, so come check us out, come meet, 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:56.440 come meet there if you're in the neighborhood. But before 0:02:56.520 --> 0:03:02.120 we get to Jeff and the US Open, big thanks 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:04.160 to our partner for the week of the US Open. 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:07.800 They're sponsoring kind of the whole, the whole shebang of 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:10.960 us of the US Open. 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I wasn't didn't even put this together 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:22.000 when we when when I reached out, But you were 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:27.960 the defending champion at the seven Oakmont US Open. What uh, 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:30.800 what's it like being a defending champion? This is an 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:33.760 hunter that you know I will never feel. What's it 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.000 like being the defending champion at a major? 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:41.400 It feels pretty good. I mean, obviously it's a little 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:43.159 bit different than defending a normal tournament. 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:43.800 I think. 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.279 Because it's such a big deal. It's just amplified. It's 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:50.640 it's a big deal. And what made it better, I 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:53.919 guess was better or more memorable as I played with 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:56.960 Tiger first two rounds because he I think it was 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:01.799 he'd won Hoylake six Open, and we played with Richie 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:04.560 Ramsey who was the US Amateur champ, so it was 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:09.760 it was a cool group. Any time you played with 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:12.080 Tiger was memorable. I mean I remember all of those times. 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:16.520 So one of my favorite things was, you know, before 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:20.279 you guys did the or the Medina Project, the Redal, 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:22.839 I was like, what do you remember of Medana And 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:25.440 you're like, well, I couldn't really see the chorus because 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:28.599 I played with Phil and Tiger, and it's pretty much 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:30.560 when you're playing with them, it's the worst way to 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:31.480 see the golf course. 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:35.159 That was so many people. Yeah, that was a memorable 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:39.520 one too. Like that was there was three hundred people 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:41.920 inside the ropes at that one. Whenever you played with Tiger, 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:44.280 there were so many people inside the ropes because it's 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:46.360 the only time anyone in the media center actually left 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.719 the buffet and went out and actually watched golf, and 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:51.600 they walked inside the ropes with Tiger. I felt bad 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:53.720 for the fans because they could never see past all 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:57.000 these photographers and writers and stuff who were watching on 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:58.200 the inside. 0:06:59.000 --> 0:06:59.400 Memorable. 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.760 That was great play with talking, I mean like just 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:05.520 a good I was. I was the right age to 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:07.240 play with a guy like that in times like that 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:08.960 at a place like Goakmont. It was fun and I 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.679 don't think either of us played great, but I think 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:14.720 he probably ended up finishing better than me, but we 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:15.800 were both finished on. 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.760 A second or third. He was like sneaky in the mix, 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:20.120 but wasn't really in the mix. 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:22.760 Yeah, we were kind of doing okay. After the thirty 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:25.000 six solls we played together. I was probably thirtieth or 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:26.520 something and he was tenth or something like that. 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:30.440 Yeah, the uh, the the O seven, you know, besides 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:34.000 Zelpato was the coming out party of Bubba Watson. That's 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:37.800 the thing that I forgot. We did rewatch a few 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:40.000 years ago and I was like, oh my god, this 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:44.000 is like the this is Bubba Watson's like opening act 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:46.600 where and it's funny because he played you know, it's 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.000 this first major. They played really well, and then he 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:51.240 never played well in the US Open after that. It's 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:54.120 like and it made me actually think, like, you know, 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:58.560 Okama gets this. I had this narrative of like, it's 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:05.400 so hard after being there, and I wonder what you 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:08.920 think about this. It feels like it's actually it's hard, 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:13.000 but it does require some level of creativity. 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:20.200 Oh absolutely. I mean it's probably the hardest course if 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:23.680 all the weather is neutral, if everyone has seventy if 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:27.360 it's seventy degrees, then there's no wind. Oakland's the hardest 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:29.000 course that we ever play in the US Hope. I mean, 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:35.839 Wingfoot's close, but Wingfoot's more of about the greens. I 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:37.760 think you can get out of Fairway bunkers a little 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:42.760 bit at wing Foot. It feels I don't know, Winfot's 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:44.920 really hard to but just on a just a basic 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:50.199 like normal day, Oakmont is really hard, but it takes 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:52.040 creativity because every hole is different. 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:54.840 Most courses have a theme. 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:56.120 I mean, wing foot is if you hit it to 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:57.400 the front edge of the green all day, you're going 0:08:57.440 --> 0:08:59.280 to do okay because you're always under the hole. But 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:01.560 that doesn't work because six or seven other greens go 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:06.640 the other way. It's it takes all the shots. And 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:08.600 I mean, I guess it makes sense that Bubba would 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:10.360 play well there. You wouldn't think at first that he 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:11.959 would play well there because would think it would be 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:14.400 awful for Bubba. But he was a really elite ball striker. 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:16.800 Really even though he got the ball to the spot 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.800 in a different way to everyone else, he was a 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:21.440 great driver of the ball because he could hit that 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.120 little chip cut three hundred yards and it was a 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:31.080 very safe shot. Yeah, it's it's just you have to 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:32.880 be creative because you see shots at Oakmont that you 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:35.400 don't see anywhere else. You know, you get especially around 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:37.240 the greens, you just get faced with stuff that you 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:40.080 just don't see anywhere else, and so you kind of 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:44.120 have to have that ability to adapt, you know, and 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:46.959 that you if you sum up Bubba Watson, it's adaptability, 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:47.280 you know. 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:55.160 Yeah, Also, like the the ability to hit chaps can 0:09:55.320 --> 0:10:00.520 counter some of the movement. The severity sure. 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:02.880 I mean like if you think of a green like 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:07.040 ten or a whole like twelve, twelve is sort of 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:09.240 a right hand as nightmare, if you like, because it's 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:11.800 all falling away to the right, like for six hundred 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:14.240 yards and you have to sort of hug it up 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:15.920 the left hand side the fairway and hopes it hangs 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:19.360 on bubble. Can hit that big right to left slice 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.480 if you like, and it's gonna bounce straight. You know, 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:25.200 there's a lot of tilt sideways tilt at Oakmont, and 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:27.920 I guess shape He's shaped it more than anyone else, 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:29.760 and when it lands on the green, it spins and 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:32.079 so on ten. He's hitting a big drawer in there 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:33.960 with a wedge and it's spinning against the hill and 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:36.040 it probably helps it stop going over the back. 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:42.360 I was thinking about just getting if I was getting 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:45.680 ready for Oakmart and the stuff I would be thinking 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:48.480 about in practice rounds. And I feel like if you 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:52.880 go to like a tour stop, often you know, majors, 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.800 even they somebody hits a bad drive, you don't see 0:10:55.800 --> 0:11:00.280 guys like hit approach shots into greens from broth right, 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:04.480 like they pull it into the fairway or but to me, 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:06.280 like I was thinking about, it's like maybe like the 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:10.240 most important shot to practice is like the hitting into 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:13.720 one green from the rough, just to see how a 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:17.040 ball like scoots in there? Where approximately do I need 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.840 to even land this because it's such a unique shot. 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:24.640 It's funny you say that because most of the caddies. 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.160 I always felt like my caddy, especially Squirrel, for the 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.959 longest time through those majors. He's like what I'd always 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:31.280 drive on in the rough and then just flick it 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:32.760 out the fairway and hit it because I just wanted 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:34.560 to hit it off the fairway because it's more fun. 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:37.520 And he used to be mad because I wouldn't try 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:39.240 any of these shots out of the raft. And I 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:40.920 think there's some players who do hit shots out of 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:42.520 the rough, but most of us just flip it out 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:45.520 with the fairway and hit it. And you're right, you're 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:48.520 not to wear yourself out and hurt yourself. I think 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.880 it was O seven seven that Phil hurt his wrist. 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:54.440 He said it was unsafe. The ruff was unsafe. 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:57.600 The ruff was unsafe. Always won for a bold statement, 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:02.679 but it was very long and falling over, falling over itself. 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:04.480 But you should. 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.000 You've definitely got to in a US, especially the US Open, 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.320 hit some that you hit out of the raff like 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:14.720 that you hit into the roff, to work out what 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.600 you can and can't achieve out of the raf, because 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:20.199 sometimes ruff looks tough, but you can actually move it 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:23.920 a long way. Sometimes ruff doesn't look that bad and 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:27.199 you can't move it. You've got to have a sense 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:29.120 for what you can get away with and how much 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:31.000 you can take it on. But like you said, the 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:32.360 first hole, if you're coming out of the rough, you 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:32.880 can't hit. 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:35.439 The green, can you? I don't know. I mean maybe 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:36.000 if you're. 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:38.560 In the left rouff, maybe and you sort of have 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:40.800 one tumbling up the right ruff. 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:41.920 And it dribbles on the front of the green. 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:48.760 Maybe, But you definitely should sort of assess how aggressive 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:51.520 or conservative you should be out of the rough, because 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:53.160 the number one thing is to just get it out 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:54.480 of the rough. You don't want to be you don't 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:55.640 want to drive it in the rough and then have 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:56.959 your next one in the rouff. You know. 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:00.440 It is one of the things that I think that 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:07.920 particularly in US opens, that the adage of if you 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:11.400 hit a poor drive, the next shot has to be 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:15.800 like it's a different calculus in golf typically, especially at 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:19.920 one at Oakmont, where you're you're kind of thinking about 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:23.120 getting the ball back into a position to possibly make 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:27.160 par as opposed to you know, this week in Canada, 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:29.080 it's going to be like, oh, a hit and the rough, 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:32.520 Like can I still make birdie? Possibly? Can I still 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:34.319 you know, can I still hit it? Hit the green 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:37.480 and have a putt at birdie? And when you get 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.520 in this type of golf, it does feel like it 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:44.839 becomes like a you know, it's like a decision tree, 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:49.880 where like if this happens, then this becomes like and 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:52.520 and so much of it is taking medicine and getting 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:56.079 into back into a position where you can take a 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:57.160 big number out of play. 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:02.960 Yeah, I think more than anything at a place like Gokmont, 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.760 you've got to play every single shot on its merits 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:09.080 and not have like a score that you're supposed to 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:12.600 make in your head, Like you say on too, you 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:15.320 just hit it as far as we can basically and 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:17.079 work it out as we go, And like this is 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:18.520 a birdie hole. Even if you're in the rough, you 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:22.360 can make birdies. But if you drive in the ruff 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:25.600 at Oakmont, you've got to all of a sudden you're 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:29.920 sort of looking at the Okay, now it's I want 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.400 to average four and a half from here, as opposed. 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:35.720 To you know, you don't want to make six. You know, 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:36.760 you drive it the first raff. 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:40.760 It's like the rouff on the first the decision is, okay, 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:43.200 I just have to make sure I don't make six. 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:47.160 So how do I make my decision from there? That Okay, 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:50.560 I want to make four. But let's take sick, Let's 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:52.280 take double bog out of the equation. And that's the 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:55.680 same on every shot at Oakmont. I mean putting. You're 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:57.680 going to have some parts, some long parts and some 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:00.600 really not long parts on some holes where Okay, I 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:03.600 want to make this, But how do I hit this 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:05.400 pot to make sure if I don't make it, I 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:06.240 make the next one. 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:11.800 You know, it is like you know, the analytics say 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:15.560 like there they get to and you obviously have worked 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:19.040 with analytics with your experience with the President's Cup, and 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:22.960 they make these defiant statements about you should hit driver 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:28.560 every time here, or it is better to be closer 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:31.320 and above the hole than the below the hole. But 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:34.480 I think when you get to a golf course as 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:42.320 severely punishing as Oakmont, analytics and the severity on the greens, 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:46.400 for example, like that five footer downhill is not better 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:49.480 than the eight footer uphill, even though the analytics say 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:53.360 is better everywhere else, like because of the way you 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:56.200 just can't confidently stroke the putt. One thing I was 0:15:56.200 --> 0:16:01.080 thinking about off the team, particular at Oakmont is if 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:05.880 they say driver but it just doesn't look right. You 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:09.320 have to approach every shot at Oakmont with like a 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:16.400 very aggressively confident swing. Otherwise that's when it can go 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:17.920 off the reels and then it can go off the 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:21.560 reels quick. So there's like almost a strokes gained of 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:26.400 comfort and ability to play with some aggression that bucks 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:31.240 the a lot of the modern analytical trends in my mind. 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:35.400 Yeah, I mean, I totally agree. I think analytics they 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:39.720 would disagree with me, but you've got to throw it 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:42.040 out at Oakmont. I think it is definitely more about 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.280 a headspace than a freedom. I mean, Augusta does the 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.280 same thing to you. It makes you hit shots that 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:48.960 you don't want to hit. But the only way you 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:52.560 can hit it well is if you're swinging it with freedom. 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:55.720 You know, like Oakmont's going to have some shots that 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:58.560 you would never normally take on in a seventy two hole, 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:00.320 but you have to take it on. Is If you 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:03.280 don't take it on, the alternative is worse. So you 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:05.560 have to be confident doing something you don't want to do. 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:08.879 And that's probably why it's such a great tournament course. 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:12.280 I don't think you could analyze. I don't think you 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:14.400 could use I mean all these guys will have analytics 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:18.520 from O seven, they'll have analytics from sixteen where players 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:20.840 had success from around the course. Do you want to 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:22.679 be back left edge on the first? You want to 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.040 be the front edge on the second? You where to 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.880 miss it and where not to miss it? That's over 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:30.840 a hole, But the analytics takes in every player in 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:35.240 the field over seventy two holes, and it's just sort 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:38.600 of giving you an insight into where players had the 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.360 success from on the course and where the bad spots were. 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:46.080 That doesn't mean that's true for you, because everybody puts 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.560 different and it hits different shots. And some guys might 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:50.520 like fifty yard pitch shots when they lay it up. 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:52.040 If they drive it, they're rough on the first they 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:54.639 might be better to lay it up. Then they added 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:56.719 to hit it over the back and try to get 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:58.600 it up and down. But like over a collective one 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:01.080 hundred and fifty people, then maybe over the backs better, 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:03.560 but over what for one individual case, it might be 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:04.280 better to lay it up. 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:07.320 So I think you're right, Hope. 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:10.320 Month's about trying to find yourself, get yourself comfortable on 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:11.800 a very uncomfortable golf course. 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:14.960 That's that's what I felt, you know, my one time 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:17.720 playing it was like, I do feel like the thing 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:22.959 that makes it makes it great and not gimmicky, is 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:25.200 that I do feel like if you like get going, 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:29.680 you can go like there's no you don't like, there's 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:32.520 no reason you can't make birdies there because if you 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:34.679 hit it into the right spots, you're like, okay, And 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:37.679 there's now with the expansions on some of these holes, 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:40.359 like there's enough space to like, oh, if I hit 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:42.960 a good T shot here, I can you know, but 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:46.800 the second that you get off is very bad. So 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:51.840 it's where that calm, aggressive swing really works out there. 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:55.119 Sounds like you're describing Scott Scheffler a little bit. At 0:18:55.160 --> 0:19:01.720 the moment. It it definitely doable I think that's why 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:06.000 it gets away with it somehow. It Most courses this 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:09.159 hard are just players don't want to go back and 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:12.000 play again. But Oakmont somehow because you know that the 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:15.199 good score is there. I'm sure we won't see it. 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:18.520 We might see another sixty three or something like that. 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:21.520 But if you can hit most fairways and most greens 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:26.359 at Oakmont, if you hit every shot great, and you 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:28.680 can leave yourself puts straight up the hill and every hole, 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:30.439 you know, and if you do that like you can 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:32.719 be pretty aggressive. We've seen some low scores around Oakmont 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:35.679 over the years. But if you miss one shot in 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:39.600 the wrong spot, like it's it's just carnage, you know. 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:41.840 And that's sort of the pressure it puts on you 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:45.040 all days. And there's no let up really, every even 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:48.440 the simple holes can go really wrong with a bad shot. 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:52.679 I was thinking about this about let up like where, 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:55.960 and I think this is like so many people are 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:58.200 going to talk about the eighth being three hundred plus 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:03.560 yards in a way, it's maybe the most docile surrounds. 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:08.280 I think that might actually be like the hole that 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:11.840 you take a deep breath and you say, okay, you know, 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:14.600 and we've seen it it's actually like the hole with 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:17.320 the least amount of variability in it. It's you kind 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:18.639 of stand on the tee and you know, if I 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:20.160 hit a good shot, it'll probably going to make a three. 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:21.600 If I had a bad shot and probably gonna make 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:25.439 a four. In a way, playing it, did it feel 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:29.520 like actually one of the more compared to the other 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:31.800 par threes where I think like there's a lot of 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:35.720 chaos potential where you could make a big number. Does 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:38.439 that feel like a place you could take a deep breath? 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:40.000 Yeah, for sure. 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:42.439 I mean I think when we talked about it a 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:45.000 few like a few weeks ago, I thought eight was 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:48.080 a letup hole if I run through them in my head. 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:50.199 I mean, four is a little bit of a let up, 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:51.840 but it's only a let up if you hit the fairway, 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:54.240 Like eight is a relaxed hole. I mean then not. 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:56.760 Oh seven. 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:58.880 They had the three hundred tea, but they only played 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:02.600 at once. Maybe so we probably played two fifty a 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:04.600 couple of times. Maybe you're two to twenty and a 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:11.400 three hundred eight is like you say, it's a three 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:13.080 or four. I mean, maybe you make a two with 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:15.240 an amazing shot, but you're not really like focused on 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:16.560 a two, but yeah, it's a three or four. 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:17.080 If you miss the. 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:20.080 Green, you hit it out, you're going to have a 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:22.040 reasonable chance to make it, and if you miss, you 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:24.880 just tap it in. Like there's not many other lead 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:28.119 up holes out there. And it's funny that it's the 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:32.560