1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: I want to talk about foreign policy today here from Seapack, 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: and foreign policy is going to, i think will the 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: number one issue of this presidential election cycle. Kat McFarlane, 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: who was the former National Security Advisor to the President 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Night States of America, Donald Trump, is going to join 6 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: me in just a moment to talk about China, Iran, 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: North Korea, Russia and any of the other issues that 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: we may be missing this election. Right now, and what's 9 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: happening in Ukraine and the fact that we are on 10 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: the verge of war three with an escalation is something 11 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: that I believe is going to end up being probably 12 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: the most important issue of the presidential campaign. What's happening 13 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: right now. And I had a very interesting dinner last 14 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: night at Seapack, a very interesting night having some guars 15 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: with some friends, some of them former CIA, some of 16 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: them former intelligence officials through the Pentagon, some are former military. 17 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: And what we have learned is that there are thousands 18 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: now that are dying every day in this war with 19 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: Russian and Ukraine Krane. Let me say it again, there 20 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: are thousands that are now dying in this war between 21 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: Russia and Ukraine. It is escalating. Iran is now giving 22 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:32,199 Speaker 1: drones and significant technology that is being used by the Russians. 23 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: China is now supporting and advocating for Russia and giving 24 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: them things they need. The Ukraine. The uk is obviously 25 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: coalescing behind Ukraine and Zelinski. And we're now talking about 26 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: escalations the point where we're dealing with weapons systems as 27 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: well as military aircraft. This is not getting closer to peace. 28 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: This is getting closer to an all out war. Now 29 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: you have two front runners right now in this race. 30 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: It's clearly Donald Trump and then it's clearly Rnda Santis. 31 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: You also have Nicki Haley, which brings in an interesting 32 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 1: perspective because Nicky Haley, obviously, being at the UN, she 33 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: understands these conflicts and what's going on internationally with all 34 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: of the different players. I do think people should be 35 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: listening very carefully to what Nicky Haley is saying right 36 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: now because she has unique insight. Is there a third rail, 37 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: a third lane for Nicky Haley? Possibly? Could it be 38 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: as the vice president? Possibly? Does she have an important 39 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: voice in this debate that I think will raise the 40 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,839 Speaker 1: level of the debate between Trump and De Santis. Yes? 41 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: Does that mean that, I let me be clear, I'm 42 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: endorsing her, of course not is she my first candidate, No, 43 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: is she my second favorite candidate. No. But I do 44 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: believe she's going to bring something important to the debate. 45 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: And that's why a vig Or Risks debate is so 46 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: vitally important. Having a grand debate in this Republican primary 47 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 1: is not a bad thing. It is a good thing. 48 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: Is having a war a war war three a good 49 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: thing or bad thing. It's a disaster. It's bad for 50 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: American policy. There's something else that we were talking about 51 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 1: last night, and that's this. The sanctions that are being 52 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: put on Russia by the EU and by America are 53 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: actually making Russia richer. It was a complete consensus with 54 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: some of those brilliant minds that I was having dinner 55 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: with last night. The price of oil and gas has 56 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: gone up, and that gives him what he needs. And 57 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: when I say him, I'm talking about Putin. Putin needs 58 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: some leftover excess cash, and the leftover excess Cassid he's 59 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: getting his hands on right now is what is supplying 60 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: him what he needs to fund this war. If we 61 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: want to bankrupt his war efforts, and I think that's 62 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: the only way to we win this war, and to 63 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: have him go back and not take over Ukraine, it 64 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: would be to bankrupt him through one way, in one 65 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: way only lowering energy costs, lowering the price of oil 66 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: and gas. Now we are actually helping Vladimir Putin with 67 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: the sanctions, and so is the UK with sanctions with 68 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: his oil and gas. We are helping the price of 69 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: oil and gas go up, which means he makes more money. 70 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: He makes significantly more money. This is part of the 71 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: conversation for this presidential campaign that must we must have 72 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: and we must have a grand debate about it. My guests, 73 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: let me Katie McFarland, former Deputy National Security Advisor of 74 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: the United States under Donald Trump. I love SEEPAC, kat 75 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: because here is when I get to meet with a 76 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: lot of different people that I worked with, whether it 77 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: was back in the Bush administration days. It's kind of 78 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: like a homecoming. And there's a lot of guys that 79 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: I talked to and ladies here that work in National Security, CIA, FBI, 80 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: you know, Pentagon, and I asked them every year it's 81 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: almost like a check out of the doctor. All right, 82 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: how are we on the world stage this year? Obviously, 83 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: it was a lot to ask. We were having cigars 84 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: last night with some people that I trust, and we 85 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: were chatting about national security and the issue of War three. 86 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that are saying we're getting 87 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: close to World War three. In your opinion, this conflict 88 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: between Russia Ukraine now all of Europe getting in the present, 89 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: sending these blank checks to Ukraine. Now the idea of 90 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: F sixteens and missile defense systems and everything else. Could 91 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: this escalate? And how concern are you about it turning 92 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: into an actual War three? And your assessment of Vladimir 93 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: Putin as well. I do think for the first time 94 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: in my adult lives, time certainly since the Cold War, 95 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: but probably even going back to the sixties worth the 96 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: most dangerous moment. And here's why we You know, a 97 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: year ago at Spack, when Russia invaded Ukraine, Russia thought 98 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: easy Piecy will be in in three days, the Zolensky 99 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: government will be toppled, we'll put a puppet government in, 100 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: we'll control Ukraine. Didn't happen. Why Because it turns out 101 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,559 Speaker 1: the Russian military wasn't that any good despite their major 102 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: military build up. It turned out that the Ukrainian people 103 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: fought back, and it turned out that Europe, which everyone 104 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: thought had been sort of sleeping along and no longer armed, 105 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: no longer worried about a Russian threat, they actually rose 106 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: to the occasion, and so a number of things happened. 107 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 1: Now we are a year later, and what are we in. 108 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: We're in a frozen conflict. It's like World War One 109 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: in the trenches. You know, the Russians are going to 110 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: take a little bit, then Zolensky takes a little bit, 111 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: then the Chinese contribute, then we put stuff in, and 112 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: so it's escalating, but it's still at a stalemate. I 113 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: think when you look down the road, how long is 114 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: this going to take to quote win? And what is winning? Yeah? 115 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: What is the definition? What is winning? I mean, if 116 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: you look at President Biden, who says, well, Putin's got 117 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: to go. If you look at Zelinski, who says unconditional 118 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: surrender on the part of the Russians, if you look 119 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: at Putin who says I'm not going anywhere, and I'll 120 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: do anything I can to stay in power and to 121 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: prevail in my objectives. Then add on top of it 122 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: the most important factor that nobody talks about, which is 123 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: oil and natural gas. Putin could not have invaded When 124 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: you said earlier that Vladimir Putin was kept in check 125 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: by Donald Chump, Yeah, he was kept in check, but 126 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: he was also kept broke Russia. If energy prices are high, Russia, 127 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: which is a world exporter of oil and natural gas, 128 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: they're rich. And what do they do when they're rich 129 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: for the last fifty years, They build a military, they 130 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: invade a neighbor, they have a proxy ward. Under Trump, 131 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: they were broke because we had American oil and natural 132 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: gas fracking, we pushed and low oil prices per barrel, 133 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: lowest oil prices per barrel. Vladimir Putin may have wanted 134 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: to invade the Moon, he couldn't afford to do anything 135 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: because he didn't have the excess money. Biden comes in 136 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: and so we're in America, he starts, So we're in 137 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: American fossil fuels. World production goes way, way, way, way 138 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: way to some pipeline. Everything that Donald Trump did, they 139 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: basically said, undo it when it comes to oil and 140 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: gas and resources here. Yeah, so we're going to reduce 141 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: the world production of oil and natural gas because we're 142 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: going to take America's hands and tie it behind our back. 143 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: As a result, prices go sky high. Vladimir Putin says, 144 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: why not. This is my mom and I've got a 145 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: little extra cash. Let me go after Ukraine. So here 146 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: we are now, Vladimir Putin, despite the sanctions of the 147 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: Biden administration, despite all the things they've thrown against, the 148 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: Russian economy right now is doing better than a lot 149 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,959 Speaker 1: of European economies. So Russia is not feeling. Russia can 150 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: fight forever as they have oil prices. Yes, Bingo, as 151 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: long as oil prices are up, Russia can fight forever. 152 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: So I look at that and say one side once 153 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: on conditional surrender. The other guy side says, I can 154 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: fight forever. I don't have any compunction about destroying Ukraine. 155 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,599 Speaker 1: I think we're now increasingly getting to two alternative outcomes 156 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: of this. One that Putin again fighting forever, all the 157 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: money in the world, completely destroys Ukraine, kills every man, woman, child, 158 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: flattens it. He has a history of doing that in 159 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: Czechnia throughout his career. Yeah, if I rather do that, 160 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: I can't. Yeah. This is like a jealous lover right 161 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: who says, if you, if I can't have her, I'm 162 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: going to shoot him, and so that's what Putin's objective is. Now. 163 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: On the other hand, we have the United States saying 164 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: unconditional surrender. Unconditional surrender, where is an alternative here? So 165 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: on one hand, you got a guy who's willing to 166 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 1: flatten the country, and then unconditional surrender as escalation goes on, 167 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: means of an involvement of NATO in the United States 168 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: World War three. I don't like either of those options. 169 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: And what I learned in the Reagan administration where I 170 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: earned my spurs, was you find a third option, and 171 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: the third option is your bankrupt Russia. So what you 172 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 1: said a second ago, if you could push those prices 173 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: of oil back down to where they were under Trump, 174 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: Russia's broke. They may want to fight forever, but they 175 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: can't fight it can't if art it, they can't even 176 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: if they're out of there. In a couple Charles Wilson 177 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: to this in Afghanistan with the Russian exactly, he basically said, 178 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: we can we can beat them by giving basic fighting 179 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: equipment to the Mujadine, to these guys that were on camels, 180 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: and as long as they can just aim and shoot 181 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: down the helicopters, if you've never watched the movie, it's 182 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: a great movie, Charlie Wilson's War. You should go watch it. 183 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: But it was just being smart enough to realize you 184 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: could bankrupt Russia. Russia pulled out of Afghanistan not because 185 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: they said they were losing it, because they just couldn't 186 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: afford it anymore. There are a lot of ways to 187 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: win a war. You don't have to fight to win 188 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: a war, as we know with the Cold War, we 189 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: won it without firing a shot. You win it economically, 190 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: which is our strong suit. So a new American president 191 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: comes in, stops the war, and fossil fuels energy prices 192 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 1: go back and go back down. Bootin's bankrupt, can't continue 193 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: to fight. Then he negotiates the solution, and then the 194 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: next step, and this is where the important part is. 195 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: Ukraine can't win the war, they can win the piece. 196 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: Russia can't win the war, they can always lose the peace. 197 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: So five years after the wharf stops, fast forward what happens. 198 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: Ukraine is fully integrated into the European economy. Europe is 199 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: in NATO, Europe is so it'll be like being Germany 200 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: or Poland. Nobody Vladimir Putin even if he had the money, 201 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: couldn't invade. On the other hand, worse Vladimir Putin in Russia, 202 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: they're broke, they can't do anything, pariah state, nobody invests 203 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: in them. So then you may not have won the 204 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: unconditional surrender that the Biden administration wants, but you've got 205 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: the outcome you want. Let's talk about you mentioned run 206 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: a Reagan strength through peace without ever firing a shot. 207 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: I worry about Vladimir Putin and the changing of his mindset, 208 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: and I want to talk about his health for a second. 209 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: I may be wrong, and I want your opinion on this, 210 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: but my gut is he's starting to understand, he's getting older, 211 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: he's starting to have some health issues, and he's like, 212 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: I want my man's best estimate, my legacy to be 213 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: that I put the SSR back together. I don't think 214 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: he's rash and in this war with Ukraine. If he was, 215 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: I think he'd be doing it differently. And I think 216 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: he doesn't care for you bankrupts his country. If this 217 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: is his legacy's taking back and putting pieces of the 218 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: pie back together, how much does it concern you with 219 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: nuclear weapons with Viderman Putin, if in fact, it is 220 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: more of a manifest destiny for him, where he's not 221 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: trying to hold onto power for twenty more years. It 222 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: may be a year or two that he has left 223 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: to really do whatever it does he wants to do 224 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: for his legacy. Do you think he is at a 225 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: point now where he would actually use nucrow weapons? Because 226 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: I didn't think he was five years ago, certainly ten 227 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: years ago, fifteen or twenty, because he was younger, he 228 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 1: was more he understood like, if I do that, I'm 229 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: in deep trouble. Now. I don't know if there's enough 230 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: time to hold him accountable and as a human being 231 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: if he does go there are you worried about nuclear 232 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: war with him at all? I'm worried that Vladimir Putin, 233 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: who does have this manifest destiny, has to achieve in 234 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: his lifetime, who understands that if he comes home an 235 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: unconditional surrender and defeat is abundant administration wants. He does 236 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: not stay alive. He gets either pushed out of office 237 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: or a bullet in the head. And for him, there's 238 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: absolutely no restraint. There's all bets are off. If I'm 239 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: going down, I'm not going down alone. And that is 240 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: a worry that I have not had. I've not had 241 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: that since the called war, before the call, Yeah, my 242 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: biggest worry was Post nine to eleven. Certainly was a 243 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: dirty bomb, right, bad actor, And that's what when we 244 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: went to the Middle East, that was the argument, right 245 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: at a dirty bomb, you know, biological chemical weapons. Nuclear 246 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: Iran brings me back to Ran for a moment. We 247 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: know Iran now is aligned with Russia. Iranian drones are 248 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: being used in Russia, and Iran is much much, much 249 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: closer than they've been in my entire lifetime to having 250 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: their own nuclear weapon, and no one seems to be 251 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: covering that in the media. No, it's not the bright 252 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: shiny object. The world is falling into two camps and 253 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: on one hot set. Do you have China, Russia, Iran, 254 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: North Korea. They have nuclear weapons, they have a lot 255 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: of money, they have technology, and they have will. I mean, 256 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: they have a concerted effort that what their job is 257 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: is to control the world, dominate the world. On the 258 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: other hand, we have the United States, we have our 259 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: Asian allies, we have our European allies. We don't have 260 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: an American leadership who says Okay, here's the plan. The 261 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: plan is, let's use what we're really good at technology, economy, trade, 262 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: our economic system or political system, or freedoms. And that's 263 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: where I really worry. We've got a dangerous time in 264 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: the next year and a half until we get a 265 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: new American president who, like Reagan, says this is our time. 266 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: Let's bring everybody together and stand up to the bad 267 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: guys and fight them on the grounds that we choose, 268 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: not on the grounds they want. But nuclear war is 269 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, we used to laugh 270 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, it was not a reality by Vladimir 271 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: Putin faced with a bullet in his head and unconditional 272 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: surrendered demands of the United States. You remind people the 273 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: history of Putin. You mentioned it a moment ago. Now 274 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: I want, I want to fall up on it, and 275 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: then I promise I'm gonna let you go. But this 276 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: is you said something you said, Vladimir Putin has a 277 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: history of going scorched earth. Literally, if he can't have it, 278 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: no one can't. It's an inhabitable No one's gonna want 279 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: to live there. I've decimated, destroyed, it's it's a non 280 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: livable condition for rebuild. In essence, you look at him 281 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: now with Ukraine, and if he did go there and 282 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: you did have a nuclear weapon that went off there, 283 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: it's uninhabitable. That's a victory for him, even if he 284 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: gets isolated, and that is something I don't think he's 285 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: afraid of at all, and the Russian people are behind him. 286 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: The thing that I find just a joke is that 287 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: when they biden administration and people say, well, we'll get 288 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: rid of Ladimirputtin, everything's gonna be fine. No, it's not. 289 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: You probably get somebody worse than Vladimir Putin. And anyway, 290 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: he's quite popular in Russia right now. They think he's 291 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: doing the right thing. They're all for Ukraine, they're all 292 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: for this Ukraine. Were weren't having some kind of a 293 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: victory in Ukraine? What Vladimir Putin came to power so 294 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: a little bit. I've studied him for forty years. He 295 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: came to power so that he was in the KGB. 296 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: The Soviet Union collapse. He thought it was the greatest 297 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: tragedy in the twenty twentieth century that the Soviet Union collapsed. 298 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: He has spent his entire political career after he left 299 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: the KGB rebuilding mother Russia. He thinks this is the 300 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: final jewel in the crown, that's got a Ukraine. The 301 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: way he actually got into the presidency twenty years ago 302 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: was that Afghan that Russia had a war in Chechnia. 303 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: The terrorists wore breakaway province of Chechnia, and nobody could 304 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: seem to win it. The political leadership at the time 305 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: that was it just they weren't winning it. There were 306 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: bombs everywhere. And so Vladimir Putin's strong man. He comes 307 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: to power by saying I'll solve it. And he did. 308 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: And what he did in the little country of Chechnia 309 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: was he killed everybody here was I mean, it was brutal, 310 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: the inhumane type award. There was no rules of engagement 311 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: there were. They targeted civilian targets. And in the capital 312 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: of Chesnia, Grosni that it was said that there were 313 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: not two bricks left on top of each other because 314 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: he leveled the entire city. It was he turned it 315 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: to rubble. Then everyone said, Vladimir Putin, he's a strong man. 316 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: We need to pull Russia back into greatness. He knows 317 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: the template. He knows. If he doesn't win in Ukraine, 318 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: there's some other guy who's gonna say, I'm gonna make 319 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: of Ukraine what we made of Czechia. So I think 320 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin knows how to do it. He knows he 321 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: war always seems to consolidate power for leaders in Russia. 322 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: Russians like strong leaders if you look through it, if 323 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: we're out their history for five hundred years, the Russians 324 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: only got rid of people, only got rid of leaders 325 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: if they had a bad economy and they were weak abroad. 326 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: Now Putin is looking weak abroad. His economy is doing better. 327 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: He cannot afford to be weak abroad and survive. Last 328 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: question for you, what keeps you up at night? And 329 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: I say that with me telling you what keeps me 330 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: up at night? And I want to get your thoughts. 331 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 1: I worry that we're so focused now on Russia Ukraine 332 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: and all of our arry efforts, all of our mind 333 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: is going to this conflict, all of our aids going 334 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: to this conflict. And what keeps me up at night 335 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: now is al Qaeda and ISIS and a nuclear ran. 336 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: Because we have an open border, we have a lot 337 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: of military age men coming across that border. I was 338 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: down at the border when we caught men coming in 339 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: from Turkey. They were released to a Catholic charity after 340 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: we witnessed them coming into America and two of them 341 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: after they were being interrogated by Texas Department of trans Transitation. 342 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: We called it, are you know the guys that basically 343 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: aren't the border of guards? The border said let them go, 344 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: and then we called department you know Texas and said, hey, 345 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 1: they came and got them, took them to Tatholic charities. 346 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: They interrogate him, found out that two of the guys 347 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: were airline pilots from Turkey. They dropped all their papers 348 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: at the border, so they got a clean slate, right, 349 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: a fresh start, so you can't deport them right back 350 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: to Turkey. We knew they were from Turkey because of 351 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 1: the language, and we found out that two of them 352 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: were actual commercial pilots. They taken the Catholic charity. They 353 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,719 Speaker 1: dropped all their papers of the border. They're now in America, 354 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: right now, they're in this country. I am terrified that 355 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: this open border is allowing for another nine eleven to 356 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: be planned by someone in the world. And I'm terrified 357 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: also of a RAM because we're not focusing on those 358 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: two issues. And we're out of Afghanistan, and I think 359 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: intelligence wise, we said we're gonna leave it, and we're 360 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: gonna literally leave it. We don't want to intel. We're 361 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: done with Afghanistan. You guys play there. That's what keeps 362 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: hip at night? Is that? The right or wrong thing 363 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: to keep me up at night? Are you were good thing? 364 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: I had not heard about the Catholic charities, etc. But 365 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:41,959 Speaker 1: that certainly would keep me up at night. I think 366 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: the key thing that keeps me up the most at night, though, 367 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: is that for twenty some years we were focusing on 368 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: the forever wars in the Middle East, trying to build 369 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: democracy in countries that couldn't build it, and we took 370 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: our eye off China and for twenty years the rise 371 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: of China that now we're getting distracted with Russia and 372 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: Ukraine and all of our sources and metal energy are 373 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: going to that again taking our eye off China. If 374 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: the United States is continuing to prosecute a war militarily 375 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: that we could win economically, but we choose not to, 376 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: then I worry that at the end of it all, 377 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: China is Once China's in charge, we never get it back. 378 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: China becomes dominates the world. They'll deal with the nuclear 379 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: weapons in Iran and every other way the way they do. 380 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: But once the United States is no longer the technological superpower, 381 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: the economic superpower, once it's China, we lose our peace 382 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: and prosperity for our children and our grandchildren's generation, and 383 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: we don't ever get it back. We've been talking so 384 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 1: much about Russia. We've been talking so much about China, Ukraine, 385 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: World War Three. Who better to talk about it than 386 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: former debutational security advisor to Donald Trump KT McFarland. I 387 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: love seeing you. It's like every year Sea I see 388 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: people like you're still alive. We're still I see you. 389 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: I'll see you in a year, right like I know 390 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna see my friends every year. You were former 391 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: Deputy National Security Advisor, and under Trump, you guys did 392 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: an amazing job of keeping China in check, keeping a 393 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: Rand in check, keeping Russia in check. That nord Stream 394 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: pipeline was an issue where he said no to that 395 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: and told the world you don't need to do this. 396 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: He warned Germany. You guys are idiots for taking this 397 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: cheap oil. You're propping up Putin. He warned the UK 398 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: that you guys are dependent on them and this is 399 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,959 Speaker 1: gonna bite you in the rear end. All of that 400 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: has become true. Now it's an issue of national security 401 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: on two fronts. We know now from Wuhan and our 402 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: government's admitting it. Okay, it came. COVID nineteen came from 403 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: Wuhan and superology. This wasn't that they lied to us. 404 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: They didn't help protect the world. China took advantage of 405 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: that in many ways and said, hey, if we're going down, 406 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: everybody else in the worlds They knew they had a problem, 407 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: they knew they had an outbreak. They didn't protect the 408 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 1: rest of the world. That's a problem from Ana from 409 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: an accountability standpoint, How shocked are you that our government 410 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: isn't trying to hold China accountable for all of their 411 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: lives just with COVID because it was a national security issue. 412 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: In my opinion, you had an entire world shut down. 413 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: And even now people like, oh, well, okay, fine, it 414 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: happened from Wuhan. Who cares, it's China. We got to 415 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: move on because we need China. Are you shocked by 416 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: the ignorance of that just mindset of its administration? The 417 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: irresponsibility of this administration. You know, China is presenting and 418 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 1: has presented, the only strategic threat to the United States 419 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: probably in our history going back one hundred or so years. 420 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: China is the only country that can replace the United States, 421 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,479 Speaker 1: and it has every intention of doing it. It talks 422 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: openly about it, of shoving the United States aside and 423 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 1: creating a new world order led by China. Now they're 424 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: doing it economically, politically, diplomatically, militarily, technologically, with trade, with everything. 425 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: What I and others were concerned with when COVID started, 426 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: when I was asked, I think when I first saw 427 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: you here at Seapack two years ago or three years ago, 428 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 1: in two thousand and twenty, what was it? It It was 429 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 1: just we didn't know what it was. It was some 430 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 1: kind of kind of plague coming around the world. We're 431 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: not sure from whom we knew that it was from, 432 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 1: or I and others knew that it came out of Wuhan, 433 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: and it was the Chinese Biological weapons lab in Wuhan. 434 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: The United States turns out we had a presence at 435 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: that same lab, maybe in a different building or in 436 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: a different wing. But it was a leak and the Chinese. 437 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: It's not that they deliberately leaked it. What happened was 438 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: they realized once it leaked what they had because they 439 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: were seeing the deaths in the city of Wuhan. They 440 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: had created a virus out of nature. They had supercharged it. 441 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 1: It's called gain a function research. And once they realized 442 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: how lethal it was and how contagious it was, they 443 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: shut down China right away. They did not allow people 444 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 1: from the city of Wuhan to travel anywhere in China. 445 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: They basically shut the country down. What they opened up, however, 446 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: that was travel in and out of Wahan. So Whan 447 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 1: is a city that has a lot to do with 448 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: the garment industry in Italy. So they sent Wuhan residents 449 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: who probably were carrying the plague, and they went to Italy, 450 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: and then from Italy it's spread to Europe, and then 451 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: it came to the United States. So did they employ 452 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 1: and let loose a biological weapon on the world. No, 453 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: But once they knew they had it, they employed it 454 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 1: as such. That should have been our wake up call 455 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: to say, okay, now, let's look at everything else they're 456 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: doing in the light of the fact that they're willing 457 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: to do that to the world you dealt with national 458 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: security issues. I think one of the things, and it's 459 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 1: a question that I don't believe has been answered yet, 460 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: is this president. Since he's become president, Biden has not 461 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 1: so up to China. In my opinion on one major thing, 462 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: once correct, is that do you believe possibly because Joe 463 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: Biden's compromise, the Biden Crime Families compromise, James Biden's compromise, 464 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,959 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden's compromise, and the amount of money and the 465 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: funding and the billions of dollars and loans and the 466 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: CEF I mean, let's be clear, when we were releasing 467 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: our strategical reserves, there was a tanker that was sold 468 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: to CEFE of our old reserves that went straight to China. 469 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: Their filings, financial filings still show Hunter Biden as being 470 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: a part of that company. Even though the White House 471 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: said he had divested all of his foreign investments. There 472 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,479 Speaker 1: would be And now he's an artist, we also know 473 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: that a lot of his arts being bought by people 474 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: in China. From a national security standpoint, being the former 475 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 1: national w security with Trump advisor, when you look at this, 476 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 1: do you think they are compromising? That's why they cannot 477 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 1: stand up to China. I do think they're compromised, but 478 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,479 Speaker 1: I think it's even wider than that. I don't think 479 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 1: it's a bag of money under the suitcase for a 480 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: bribe for a specific incident. The Chinese are all over 481 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 1: the place. The Chinese are major donors to think tanks. 482 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: They penn Biden Center where all those classified documents were found. 483 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 1: That's a center that was paid for by the Chinese. 484 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: Now who was at that center? Who were the scholars? 485 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: These are people who left the Obama administration went to 486 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: a Chinese funded think tank and park themselves there. And 487 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: this is all the senior people who then became secretaries 488 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: of State, etc. And the senior jobs in the Biden administration. Now, 489 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: is that a bribe or is that? Gee, China is 490 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: our friend. China has paid for our salaries. China is 491 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: so close to us. Let's kind of given the benefit 492 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: of the doubt. Again and again and again. And it's 493 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 1: not just those particular individuals, it's the think tanks, it's 494 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: the college campuses. The Chinese have been on a concerted 495 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: effort to infiltrate the United States intellectual community. The thought 496 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: leader of the high at the highest levels for twenty years, 497 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: and they've thrown around a lot of money to do it. 498 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: So it's not just one or two individuals, it's the 499 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: whole gang of them. It's the whole Washington elite, Republicans 500 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: as well as Democrats, but most particularly Biden and the Democrats. 501 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: Let's talk about China, and there's a headline that's not 502 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: gotten a lot of attention which is actually shocked me. 503 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 1: And that's the fact that there's basically Chinese police stations 504 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: in the United States of America to keep track and 505 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: to keep in check people from China and the US. 506 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: How are we even allowing that to happen? Again, it's 507 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: the Chinese of infiltrated so many aspects of our society. 508 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: They do have police stations, Chinese police stations in the 509 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: American cities to track Chinese citizens. That's not a conspiracy theory, 510 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: Like they're there, and like when that story kind of broke, 511 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: like whatever, that's a conspiration, I'm like, no, it's actually real. 512 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: They really are doing this and we're allowing it. In America, 513 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 1: they have think tanks that they pay for in colleges 514 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: and high schools around the country. They're called Confucius institutes. 515 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: Those are spy tracks. I mean they're recruiting spies. They're recruiting, 516 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: they're putting their own people. They're two active spies and 517 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 1: then trying to recruit Americans as spies. There's another example. 518 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: If you want, if you have a company and you 519 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: want to listen on the New York Stock Exchange. In 520 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: order to have that privilege, if you have to show 521 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: all of your paperwork, your books, your account, you know, 522 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: forensic account. They look through every inch of every nickel 523 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: that was spent anywhere. If you're a Chinese company, maybe 524 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: a Chinese military company, what do you think you have 525 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: to do to list on the stock exchange? Those rules 526 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 1: were all waived. China can list on the New York 527 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: Stock Exchange. Pension funds from American government pension funds they're 528 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 1: investing in those companies, so we have basically paid for 529 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: the Chinese military build up. Look the Chinese. The thing 530 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 1: that is so upsetting because it's hard to wrap your 531 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,479 Speaker 1: head around the idea that there is a country that 532 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: is using every aspect of its government and national and 533 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: economic power to replace the United States, kick us on 534 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: the ash heap of history, and then take over the world. 535 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the documents that the president has. He 536 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: admitted in an interview I think was CBS or ABC, 537 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: I can't remember the exclusive interview. It was recently that 538 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: he had classified documents dating back to his first years. 539 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: His timeline he gave the American people in the Senate. 540 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: This is forty plus years of documents, classified documents he's 541 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: has hands on. How concern are you again, former debut 542 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: national security advisor, that a US senator had these documents 543 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: outside of a skiff and is admitting the timeline is 544 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: over his entire fifty year career in Washington, and there 545 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: seems to be really no accountability for this so far. Yeah, 546 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: there's a special prosecutor, I get that, But these documents 547 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: were everywhere, and a lot of them dealt with the 548 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: same exact company. Are countries which the Biden crime family 549 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: was profiting from. Documents were being told from place like Iran, China, 550 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: about China should say about I ran about Ukraine, about Russia. Look, 551 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: the Biden crime family and that the people affiliated and 552 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: on the edges of it are committing an enormous crime 553 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: against the American people. They're getting rich on it. But 554 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,719 Speaker 1: there the thing that I find I guess even more upsetting. 555 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: It's like, I suspect politic as to be to lie, 556 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: sheet steal and get bribed. What really is upsetting is 557 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: that the Justice Department that's supposed to represent the American 558 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: people is treating this very differently. I mean, they created 559 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: the whole Russia Gate spy thing, and then they prosecuted 560 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: President Trump. They now have direct evidence Hunter Biden's laptop, etc. 561 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: And they're not doing a thing to go after those people. 562 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: And then the complicit media, so that the media, even 563 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: some members of the media who do want to do 564 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: their job, people like Ben Ferguson, what are you doing? 565 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: You're shut down. And so it's a really scary time 566 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: in America. I mean, the First Amendment rights, you can't 567 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: even get up and speak about that. The New York 568 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: Posts tried to talk about the Hunter Biden laptop. Right, 569 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: they're kicked off of social media. They're going to be 570 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: prosecuted by the Justice Department. It's to me, the adversaries 571 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: are not Republicans versus Democrats anymore. It's the people of 572 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: the country versus the Washington power elite of both political 573 00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: parties in cahoots with the mainstream media and social media 574 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: and the corrupt influences that they all seem to be 575 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: part of. And hopefully some of our predictions are wrong. 576 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: All right, don't forget to share our podcast. 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