WEBVTT - From the Vault: Another Enigmatic Underwater Image 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:08.799 Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind. This is 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:11.840 Robert Lamb and it is Saturday. So again we're going 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:14.320 to the Vault once more, this time for the episode 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:18.520 another Enigmatic underwater Image. This is a continuation on the 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:24.200 last Vault episode we did, where we're looking at difficult 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:28.600 to analyze images from the deep ocean and how they 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:32.200 can spin off them in the minds of onlookers into 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:36.320 paranormal intrigue. This one originally published eight fifteen, twenty twenty three. 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:37.960 Here we go, let's dive in. 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:45.440 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:53.519 Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind. My name 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:54.640 is Robert Lamb. 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:58.760 And I'm Joe McCormick. And hey, we're back to anomalous imagery. 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.080 In the pre episode of Stuff to Blow Your Mind, 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:08.440 we were looking at some photographs that people have wanted 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:11.880 to sort into the proof of Aliens Confirmed column, and 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:15.600 we ended up talking about reasons why that's not necessarily 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:20.000 a wise or well informed move, and we thought we 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.399 might come back to talk about more images of this sort. 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:24.880 And you know what, here we are, Yeah, in the 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:27.560 last episode, and this is this is a situation where 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:29.760 it's probably helpful if you listen to that last episode, 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.720 but it's not necessarily a part one in part two, 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:36.479 so I don't know do what you will regarding these episodes. 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:38.960 But in the last episode, we discussed the so called 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:44.119 el tennan antenna, a deep sea photograph of something taken 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:47.440 in nineteen sixty four that ultimately led to a positive 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:51.360 identification of a specific species of deep sea sponge, but 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:55.960 also fed a great deal of paranormal and ufology speculation 0:01:56.080 --> 0:02:00.880 about alien technology and global energy grids and the like. 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:04.880 We discussed how images and data like this that dwell 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:08.280 in a kind of low res realm of evidence often 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:13.960 play into arguments for supernatural or other worldly explanations instead 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:16.360 of mundane natural world explanations. 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:19.519 That's right. So we were developing an idea somewhat jumping 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:23.760 off of some offhand terminology use in comments I've heard 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:27.640 in interviews with a science writer and skeptical UFO researcher 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:31.520 named Mick West, and I think the phrase I had 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:35.120 heard him use at some point was the low information zone. 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:37.120 But we were also talking about the idea of the 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:41.840 low resolution zone, and so the idea we were developing 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:47.040 was that it's in cases of evidence containing less information 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:52.000 or existing in a space of lower resolution that supernatural 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:56.560 or alien explanations tend to retain the aura of viability. 0:02:56.960 --> 0:02:59.040 They seem to some people like this might be a 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:03.239 good explanation, And it's in cases of high resolution or 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:06.480 high information where the photo, if it's a photo where 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:09.240 it's like really sharp and taken from multiple angles, and 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:11.120 we have a good idea exactly where and when it 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.840 was taken, maybe other people can go check up on it, 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.640 people with relevant knowledge have had a look at it. 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:20.360 These are the cases that end up very very often 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:24.359 having pretty clear explanations from within the known range of 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:27.280 natural causes. In other words, there seems to be a 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:32.680 pattern where a fuzzy photo creates way more mythology than 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:36.279 a sharp one. And I think this is applical, applicable 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.760 in the broader sense, not just in pure resolution of photos, 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:43.000 but in the general sense of information like evidence, this 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:46.640 kind of vague and fuzzy and not well situated within 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:51.080 an informational context seems oh yeah, maybe that is aliens. 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.240 And the further you turn up the resolution, the more 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:57.680 accurate information and context you have, the more often it 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:00.560 seems like, oh yeah, that's a plastic bag, or that's 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:03.400 an airplane, or that's a constellation of stars. 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:06.280 Yeah. And as we discussed in the last episode, and 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:09.080 we'll continue to discuss here, to whatever extent, you can 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:14.200 also cut out the context for the image, or ignore 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:20.000 the context and or ignore the expertise in a given 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:23.679 field that could be vital to understanding what you're looking 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:25.080 at exactly. 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:28.920 Yeah. So the background knowledge of the observer can also 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:30.920 be one of the information states, and that can be 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:32.200 high information or low. 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:36.000 Yeah. And it's not necessarily a situation either where someone 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.719 is like willfully, I refuse to listen to the experts 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:43.760 because because you know, I know what I see. You know, 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:47.000 sometimes it's maybe a little more nuanced than that. So 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.200 I do want to acknowledge that. But just throwing that 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.080 out there as well. We'll come back to the idea 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:51.960 as we roll farward. 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:52.719 Now. 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:55.000 Another one of the ideas we talked about in the 0:04:55.080 --> 0:05:00.680 last episode was how popular it seems underwater images in 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:05.760 particular are in the UFO slash UAP and general fringe 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:10.400 explanation idea space. Of course, the Eltannan object was an 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:13.800 underwater photo, and I mentioned in the last episode the 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:20.640 idea that apparently anomalous. Underwater images are especially useful nucleation 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:24.960 points for these types of narratives because they're sort of 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:30.440 inherently low resolution or low information. The details are often obscured. 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:34.560 Images of things underwater often look weird, but you can't 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:37.279 tell exactly what they are, which means you can start 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:41.040 making up whatever explanation you find the most exciting. And 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:45.120 I was thinking about how underwater imagery often qualifies as 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:48.760 low information evidence in multiple dimensions at once, So like 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:53.320 the original image is usually grainy and indistinct if it's 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:57.280 taken in visible light, like it's a photograph taken invisible light, 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:01.440 light conditions are usually low, and sometimes they're is you know, 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:04.680 is something obscuring the image in the water. Maybe the 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:08.360 water is cloudy, maybe not. Sometimes the image is not 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:10.840 even based on visible light. Maybe we're looking at a 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:14.800 sonar image or something like that, which further complicates your 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:17.800 ability to identify what it is you're looking at. And 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:20.800 sometimes things are even obscured in other ways, like partially 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:23.560 buried or have things on top of them. Beyond all this, 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:27.159 objects and formations that may be common underwater do not 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:30.400 seem common to people who spend their lives on land 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:32.960 and on the surface. Think of the sponge we talked 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.840 about last time. If you lived on the ocean floor, 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.279 you'd probably recognize that. You would be like a tree 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:40.560 to you. You know, you've seen lots of these before, 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:44.120 but not living on the ocean floor. That's totally weird. 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.159 You've never seen anything like it. You have no idea 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:46.760 what it could be. 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:50.160 Yeah, as we touched on in that one, the so 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:56.719 called antenna occurred as a singular object without any fellow 0:06:56.800 --> 0:07:02.240 antenna around it in this one photograph. Previous dredges in 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:04.600 the deep ocean had revealed places where they seem to 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:05.880 be quite numerous. 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:07.800 That's right. Sometimes they're kind of a forest, but in 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:09.920 this case it wasn't. It was just one standing alone 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:11.600 in the image. So that I don't know, that mean 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:15.760 to seem more monolithic and kind of strange and dangerous 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:22.679 and inviting of calling out for some kind of otherworldly explanation. Finally, 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:24.880 I was thinking about one more thing about the low 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:28.320 information nature of underwater images, especially in the case of 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:33.880 deep sea objects. It's difficult, expensive, and sometimes impossible for 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:37.440 other people to check the object for themselves because it's 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:40.360 on the bottom of the ocean, So you are unlikely 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:43.480 to get somebody else imaging the same thing with different 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.920 equipment in different conditions to get more context and clarity. 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:50.680 Unless it's like a really famous and valuable thing and 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:53.520 you've you know, published coordinates of exactly where it is, 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:56.120 there's like huge interest in it. Maybe, but like for 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:57.640 the most part, if you're talking about something on the 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:01.440 bottom of the ocean, whatever imagery you release of it 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:04.320 that you initially produce, it's that you know that that's 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:05.280 going to be all there is. 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:09.080 Yeah, Yeah, Because I mean, ultimately, whether your idea is 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:13.520 based in just pure scientific inquiry or if it's based 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:16.720 in some sort of paranormal interest or some sort of 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.320 fringe theory, you're still going to have to somehow get 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:23.440 that funding together to pay for an expedition to an 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:27.280 extreme environment. And you know, are the numbers going to 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:28.320 add up at the end of the day. 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:30.800 And in some cases, I think it might be more 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:33.640 financially lucrative for an object to remain in the low 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:37.880 information zone than it would be to increase the information 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:42.400 because that might well dispel the mystique surrounding it. 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:46.959 Exactly. Yes, Because as we touched on in the first episode. 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:50.160 You know, these images become kind of articles of faith 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:55.960 within a given belief system, within a given worldview, and yeah, 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:58.800 you go down there, there's you've got to admit, okay, 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:01.080 you know, lining up with your hopes and dreams. Maybe 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:04.080 you'll get that high res image of this thing and 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:08.160 it will literally change the way we think about ourselves 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:10.599 and we think about the world. But what are the 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.720 chances that you'll just know it'll be that face on 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.320 Mars scenario, you know where Oh well, you realize that 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:20.000 once you have some different imagery, some different information to 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.600 go on, the face is not there at all, and 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:23.720 then how are you going to feel? 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.839 So this brings us to the particular underwater image that 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:28.960 you dug up, Rob that we're going to talk about today. 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:34.040 This image is the so called Baltic Sea anomaly. Would 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:35.000 you like to introduce it? 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:39.079 Sure? Yeah. I found this the way probably I think 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.120 a lot of people find it is that you find 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:45.840 these various lists of strange, unexplained things beneath the ocean, 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:51.760 and they're generally they're generally a weird array of objects 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:56.240 and alleged objects, some of which are verified realities, some 0:09:56.320 --> 0:10:00.840 are you know, blurry, low res images. But yeah, this 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:04.440 and this sonar image was taken by Swedish Ocean X 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:08.240 on the floor of the Northern Baltic Sea at the 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:13.160 center of the Gulf of Bothnia in June twenty eleven 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:17.200 during a hunt for I believe possible sunken treasure. So 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:20.280 they were on the lookout with their imagery for you know, 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:22.440 things that might be ships, things that might be man 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:27.400 made objects on the bottom. Now, the image that came 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:30.240 out of all of this, the sonar image, has captured 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:35.440 the imagination of ufologists because it does look roundish and 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:40.440 many illustrations and I want to stress that illustrations based 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:43.720 on this imagery readily, and these will readily come up 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:45.160 and search for you. Don't worry. You don't have to 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:47.680 look hard for them. In fact, it's harder to sort 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.400 of wean them out and just focus on the sonar 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:54.679 data they lean into. This kind of interpretation of this 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:59.679 roundish object is perhaps a millennium Falcon s spaceship, or 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:03.480 perhaps something akin to the ship that the engineers have 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:05.120 in the Alien franchise. 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:09.679 I was thinking something that, yeah, from Prometheus. It looks 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:11.400 like that technology style. 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:16.160 Yeah, which is an iconic derelict spaceship that has mysteries 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:20.200 aboard that we absolutely should on Earth, We actually absolutely 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.880 should get in there and get some of that right. 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:24.480 But I guess for now we're just going to focus 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:27.240 on this original sonar image that was released to the 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:31.360 media back in the summer of twenty eleven by again 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:35.360 Ocean X, which is this Swedish treasure hunting and salvage 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:36.240 diving operation. 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:41.360 Yeah, the actual image here is definitely in the low 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:44.800 information zone, and various critics have pointed this out as 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.439 a reason that not much can be made out of it, 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:51.360 aside from the consensus that we're almost certainly looking at 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:56.959 a geologic formation here and not a spaceship, not part 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:00.000 of a lost city on the bottom of the ocean, 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:02.560 some part of a lot of civilization. Their whole article 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.040 speculating that as well. And you know, it's it's worth 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:08.040 driving home that like these ideas, just as pure ideas, 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:11.360 are very exciting, Like who wouldn't want to learn more 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:14.120 about a possible alien spaceship on the bottom of the ocean. 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:16.720 Who would want to hear more about a lost city 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:21.240 that was you know, Atlantis style that was swallowed up 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:25.800 by the waves in ancient times, but more likely than anything, 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:29.559 this is just geology down there, and if you're into geology, 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:33.120 it's pretty exciting. But I guess we have to sort 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:34.679 of look at the at the end of the day, 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:39.520 perhaps geology doesn't have necessarily as much of an excitement 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:44.760 value in the mainstream or certainly in the in the fringe. 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:48.520 So if you're if you're given two possibilities, even though 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.040 one is far more likely, some people are just going 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:54.080 to go for the the sexier answer, and of course 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:59.080 the answer that confirms or seems to confirm some ideas 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:02.640 and aspirations one has for the universe. 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:06.679 Interpretations I've come across in addition to saying this is 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:09.520 an alien spacecraft. Oh and by the way, I should say, 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.839 early articles about this from around the time it was 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:18.320 first released often like would draw outlines around parts of 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:22.800 this sonar image, like asking you to lean into certain 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:26.960 shape interpretations, And one of the outlines that was often 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:33.240 drawn was essentially the millennium falcon. So they there's a 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:35.280 weird kind of space where they can almost like if 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:37.840 you're a journalist doing an article and drawing an outline 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:39.800 like that, you can be like, oh, it's just funny. 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:43.319 You know, it's a funny joke, but also you probably 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:47.120 know that you are getting some traffic from like playing 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:49.320 into the hand of UFO interpretations. 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:52.240 Yeah, I've also seen some where they're like, okay, these 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:54.920 are stairs and then this is you know, pointing out 0:13:54.960 --> 0:14:01.160 like architectural supposed architectural details on this object. And you know, again, 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:04.040 you're you're a lot of people they're seeing this image 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.080 for the first time. You're giving them all the interpretation, 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.560 given the full script for interpreting this low res image. 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.000 Right, But anyway to come back to so, there are 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:13.520 a lot of people who say, yeah, this is a 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:20.240 crashed alien flying saucer, or crashed alien spacecraft or crashed 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:24.160 ancient human spacecraft from lost you know, lost technology from 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:26.880 an ancient civilization. There are also people who say it 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:30.640 was a monument built by the Atlantean civilization, So they 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:34.080 say Atlantis built this, it was like a temple. There 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:38.200 are various flavors of secret Nazi interpretations. It's a it's 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:40.840 a U boat model we've never seen before, some kind 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:42.480 of underwater Nazi bunker. 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:46.840 Oh yeah, yeah, obviously there's a great deal of Nazi stuff. 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:51.320 Once you get into the paranormal in fringe movements. 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:53.600 But what does it actually look like? I mean, if 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:56.160 you take away the outlines and everything, what we can 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:58.920 see in this image is that it is a kind 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:03.680 of roughly sur killer looking texture on the ocean floor 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:07.560 that has some parallel lines kind of running across it that, 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:11.320 you know, you could well want to interprets as I 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:14.320 don't know something they're like grooves or tracks or walkways, 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:18.520 but also they could just be like layers of rock. 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:22.040 You know. One of these images you included where it's 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:24.400 been traced. It looks kind of like I'm going to 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:26.640 I'm gonna throw this out there. It looks kind of 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.720 like one of the helmets of the giant warriors from 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.920 Nausacaa the Valley of the Wind like on its side. 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:37.040 So perhaps this is a remnant from that time before 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:38.280 the Seven Days of Fire. 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:42.600 Oh well, we certainly wouldn't want to awake it then, 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:47.480 but meddlesome men and their war machines they want to anyway. 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:51.240 So other claims about this image, So they say the 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:53.440 people who discovered it say that the disc part of 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:57.320 the object is roughly sixty meters wide or about two 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:01.120 hundred feet wide in diameter. It was found on the 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:04.080 ocean floor at a depth of about ninety meters or 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:07.600 three hundred feet. Okay, so actually not that deep when 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:11.080 it comes to ocean or seafloor. And again this is 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:14.000 in the Gulf of Bothnia, which is the northern part 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:18.480 of the Baltic Sea between Sweden and Finland. Peter Lindberg, 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:22.240 one of the explorers behind the original image, claimed that 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:27.160 the object was perfectly round, and there is a sort 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:31.880 of light colored area on the seafloor extending away from 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:35.920 the disc shaped object that people say could be a 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:39.040 runway or a streak cut in the seafloor from a 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:42.360 crash landing. And then the next thing, this one starts 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:45.440 being a real red flag for me. At some point, 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:49.080 ocean X started saying that they tried to return to 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:53.840 the object and get more information about it and imagery 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:57.160 of it, and they said that proximity to the object 0:16:57.240 --> 0:17:01.240 was causing all of their electronic equipment to function, and 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:04.280 they couldn't come within I think they said two hundred 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:09.320 meters of the object without all of their electronics failing. Hmm. 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:14.600 I'm a little doubtful of that kind of story. 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.560 You know, given that this is near Finland. I would 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:19.680 be shocked if no one has suggested that it might 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:23.760 be the lost Sampo, which of course is this object 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:28.600 from Finnish mythology that was essentially like it brought riches 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:34.240 and good fortune and treasures. It was this font of wealth, 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:37.359 and if memory serves like the myth is that it 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:41.520 was lost at sea during a battle. So I don't know, 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:43.240 it sounds like it could be the Sampo. If I'm 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.920 going to lean into mythology for my. 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:48.439 Interpretations, do they say what the Sampo looks like. 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:52.719 I've seen some illustrations where it is actually kind of 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:56.240 kind of round, Yeah, but I think maybe smaller. I 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:56.639 don't know. 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.640 Okay, Wiki at least mentions a bunch of different ways 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.280 it's been depicted, and they are wide ranging, so I 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:04.520 would guess in the original they don't say the shape 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:08.440 it takes, but it says here it could be anything 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:11.919 from a world pillar to a compass or astrolabe, or 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:14.840 a bunch of other things, a coin, dye, a shield. 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:19.720 So why not a giant disc at the bottom of 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:20.199 the ocean. 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:21.400 Now. 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:23.840 One of the reasons that people say this must be 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:26.520 a spaceship or some other piece of out of place 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:31.439 technology is I think, essentially an intuitive reaction to certain 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:35.520 patterns of geometry. When you look at this sonar image, 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:40.760 it appears to be a large circular disc. In some versions, 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:44.360 the circular disc appears to be made out of smaller 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:50.119 rectangles or squares, and a circle filled in with rectangles 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:53.000 or squares. That doesn't sound like any natural object I've 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:56.040 ever seen, so it just looks like it could not 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:59.040 be natural. It had to be made. Now regarding the 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:05.000 square tile or rectangular tiles appearance in this particular sonar image, 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:07.359 the one we've been looking at here, there are different 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:09.240 versions of it you can find on the Internet. But 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:12.879 even the fact that it appears to be made of 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:16.920 the rectangular blocks or tiles, I think is actually somewhat 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:20.800 influenced by the fact that the image has some sort 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:24.840 of digital artifact lines running parallel from top to bottom 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:29.800 across the image. And these parallel bars crossing the image 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:32.560 are not just on the object, but they're covering the 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:35.720 whole bitmap, and thus they are obviously a byproduct of 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:39.000 the imaging process, not a reflection of the object itself. 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:43.080 The image is also lined up so that these parallel 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:48.520 lines are exactly perpendicular to some ridges or lines that 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:51.359 seem to actually be on the object whatever it is, 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:54.159 that seem to sort of run parallel across it. So 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:59.080 I think these digital imaging artifacts create a false impression 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:02.520 of a kind of right angled brickwork pattern that is 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:05.600 not actually present on the object itself. That's just a 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:09.760 byproduct of the way the image looks with these lines 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:12.119 running up and down on it. On the images we see. 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:16.480 Second thing is, Rob, you already mentioned this, but the illustrations. 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:19.440 This is another case, just like we talked about last time, 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:23.360 of what was originally a low resolution or low information 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:29.359 piece of evidence being subject to mythologizing in grandiose elaborations 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:32.760 in artworks. So if you Google image search this object, 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:37.639 results containing the actual sonar image will be vastly outnumbered 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:41.159 by full on fictional illustrations. I've included a few for 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:43.320 you to look at here, Rob, Folks at home, you 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:46.879 can look them up yourself, just type in Baltic Sea anomaly. 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:50.000 To be clear, these are not photos of the actual object. 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:54.640 They are imaginative artworks. All of the interesting and provocative 0:20:54.720 --> 0:20:58.760 sharp detail shown in them is made up. But articles 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:03.880 and videos about the object seem to use things like this. Nonetheless, 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:07.760 it's kind of like, look, here's one way of imagining 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:10.240 what this could look like up close if you could 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:13.479 see it sharply. And for some people this seems to 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:17.399 suggest it's legitimate to assume that's the way it actually is. 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:20.639 Yeah, and be clear, this can also take place at 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:26.040 kind of a subliminal consumer level where you just you 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:28.400 pull up a bunch of images of this thing, and yeah, 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:30.520 most of the ones on your page are going to 0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:34.240 be perhaps leaning into some sort of fantastic illustration, and 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:36.680 the illustrations are cool, Like you can't help but look 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:38.880 at this and feel a certain kind of way. 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:41.320 Yeah, don't want to knock the artists, but I mean 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:44.720 just like to emphasize these are not images of a 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:49.560 thing in the world. These are essentially fictional artworks that 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:53.600 are based on a grainy, indistinct original image. 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:58.360 Now I want to throw out another wild speculation. What 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:02.439 if this is a tetromino or a tetris block, And really, 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:05.040 instead of trying to get down there to it, what 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:10.120 we need to do is construct a tetromino to interlock 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:13.720 with it and drop it down and make sure that 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:16.680 we have lined it up appropriately so that it will 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:18.040 fill in the space next to it. 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:20.720 Well, that's a great point, but it would have to 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:25.119 be a kind of hybrid game piece because it like 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:28.280 one half of it seems to be a tetronomo. It's 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:30.560 got the blocky parts that seem like they could interlock, 0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:33.720 and then the other half is rounded like a connect 0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:36.840 four piece. So maybe it is for a hybrid type 0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:38.639 game something we haven't seen yet. 0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:41.840 I mean, this does touch on the rea. It's like 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:45.440 it's not square enough. It's not it doesn't have enough 0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:51.440 right angles that it really shouts unnatural object as loudly 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:55.520 as some would perhaps insist that it does. It's also 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:58.919 not round enough, it doesn't have the end. Would not 0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:02.919 in either case necessarily mean that it is not of 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:05.480 this world, but certainly like those are the sorts of 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:08.359 shapes one would want to see in their spaceship. You 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:11.359 would want to see a more perfect circle, You would 0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:14.640 want to see a lot of angles that we usually 0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:17.200 don't think of as occurring naturally in nature. 0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:29.399 We will come back to in a minute commentary on 0:23:29.440 --> 0:23:31.840