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Speaker 3: get your podcasts and I have a new show coming

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Speaker 4: And you know, the thing I'm praying for and wanting

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Speaker 4: But number two is black Americans our tax dollars fund

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Speaker 3: Now, let me ask you this, Mark, because you know,

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Speaker 4: And I've said that on off front that I agree

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's a price to be paid for speaking

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Speaker 1: You know, we already get criminalized.

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Speaker 4: And when you start adding layers of activism to it,

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Speaker 4: there's lots of reasons why black folk will be like, well,

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Speaker 4: you know what, I can't worry about this because I

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Speaker 4: So I never want to shame black people for now.

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Speaker 4: Do I believe we should be out there?

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Speaker 4: I literally just came back from a Palestine rally in

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Speaker 4: And honestly, there is an urgency to the now right

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Speaker 2: But two questions.

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Speaker 4: I think though there and I tell us the power

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Speaker 4: I will always pay a higher price for defending Palestine

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Speaker 1: This is undermine our freedom struggle? What can we do?

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Speaker 4: is Blackfoot will go balls to the wall for everybody

433
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,480
Speaker 4: but themselves, and we'll end up marching for everybody, getting

434
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,800
Speaker 4: shot for everybody, and then when it's time to march

435
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,119
Speaker 4: for us, everybody's say, well, yeah, nah, we were busy.

436
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:45,960
Speaker 1: So I feel you on that.

437
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,320
Speaker 4: The other question you asked was a really interesting one,

438
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,159
Speaker 4: and it's I won't I won't give a stupid.

439
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,639
Speaker 1: Long answer, but I'll give it.

440
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:59,879
Speaker 4: I'll be as efficient as I can. The country that

441
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 4: is known as Israel's isn't that old, right, You know,

442
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,919
Speaker 4: it's a seventy five year old country. But there have

443
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:11,919
Speaker 4: been people and nations and ties to that land for

444
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:16,200
Speaker 4: a very very long time. Since the end of the

445
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 4: nineteenth century. By eighteen eighty two, there have been Jewish

446
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 4: people who have attempted to and successfully attempted to move

447
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 4: into this region it's now called Israel and Palestine. And

448
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 4: they did so for lots of reasons, but the biggest

449
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,919
Speaker 4: one is that Jews have been unsafe in lots of places.

450
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 4: Everywhere they've been, Jews have been unsafe when they're in

451
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 4: the minority, whether it's Spain in the fifteenth century, you know,

452
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,640
Speaker 4: the Inquisition, and I mean you could go on around.

453
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 4: You can look at Eastern Europe, which is what happened

454
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 4: when they made the move at Poland Russia. Whatever Jews are,

455
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 4: there's been so much anti Semitism, so much jew hate,

456
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 4: that has been important for them to sometimes create protections

457
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 4: for themselves. And so they started to come to this

458
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 4: area that is now known as Israel Palestine. It was

459
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 4: known as Palestine then but Israel now. And they came

460
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,640
Speaker 4: looking for protection. Here's the one catch. There were already

461
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 4: people there there. There were there were indigenous Arabs there.

462
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,920
Speaker 4: Now that's not to say that in those those Arabs

463
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 4: were Jewish, they were Christian, they were Muslim. Israel that

464
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 4: the region has been Jewish for a long time. That

465
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 4: always has the Jewish ties, and the temple that was

466
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 4: built that was torn down by the Romans.

467
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: It's in that place.

468
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 4: The birth of Juda is in that place, Uh, the

469
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 4: whaling wall in that place. Christian the same thing, the

470
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Speaker 4: Via dela Rosa to the stations of the Cross, all

471
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 4: this stuff is in this areas, in this region, So Bethlehem,

472
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 4: Nazareth of view a Christian these things mad if you Muslim,

473
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 4: Uh puts Moscas the first kibla, it is the first

474
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,919
Speaker 4: praying point for Muslims. Before it was Mecca, it was

475
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,719
Speaker 4: Oxa in Jerusalem. So there's a lot of reasons for

476
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 4: everybody to be invested in this place. But when when

477
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,400
Speaker 4: When When When the Zionist movement began and said we're

478
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Speaker 4: going here to this to create a homeland. They were,

479
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 4: there were people already here. Now when after World War one?

480
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 4: Fast forward a little bit, the Ottomans where already first

481
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 4: got there after World War One? Basically the Europeans were

482
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 4: still controlling this region, and the Europeans they wanted to

483
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 4: colonize everything, right, and they were still they'd been colonizing

484
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 4: for years. After the British took over in nineteen seventeen.

485
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 4: Ish they took over the whole Middle East, the British,

486
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 4: the French, the Dutch took over Africa.

487
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 1: All these people are taking over shit, right.

488
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 4: But what the British did with this land is they

489
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 4: basically said, look, we want to control it, but we

490
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 4: don't want to live there. And so they were totally

491
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 4: willing to grant you know, Jews a homeland in historic Palestine.

492
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Speaker 1: They said, y'all can be here.

493
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Speaker 4: There's a Balfour Declaration and there's other stuff that says basically,

494
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Speaker 4: you can.

495
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Speaker 1: Make a Jewish national home here, but the Jewish national

496
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: home wasn't supposed to affect the civil rights or the

497
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: religious rights of the people already there. And so suddenly

498
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Speaker 1: what you began to see from this moment in the

499
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Speaker 1: late nineteenth centuries, World War One ends in nineteen eighteen.

500
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Speaker 1: From nineteen eighteen to nineteen forty.

501
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 4: Eight is a struggle between Jewish immigrants who are continuing

502
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 4: to come back to this land to make a Jewish homeland,

503
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 4: and the indigenous Arabs who were already there who were

504
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 4: or the indigenous Palaciti and people who were already there.

505
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 4: The struggles were not over religion. The primary reason people

506
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 4: were beefing was not religion. They're not mad over religion.

507
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 4: Religion plays a part, but that's not the primary thing.

508
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 4: This was about a population of people coming into this region,

509
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 4: and there's a struggle over land, over resources, over money,

510
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 4: over jobs, and all of these things are part of

511
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 4: the battles that you saw, and the British were letting

512
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 4: it happen. The British wanted what they called empire on

513
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 4: the cheap. The British wanted to be able to run

514
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 4: this country, but let the indigenous people work it out

515
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 4: and fight, let the people who came over work it

516
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 4: out and fight. And so there's a way that the

517
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 4: anger that you see is building up partly because of

518
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 4: all of this, and then the nineteen team forty eight

519
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 4: it kind of came to a head with the foundation

520
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 4: of Israel from nineteen forty seven to nineteen forty nine,

521
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 4: when the battles happened when they were when at war.

522
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 4: Effectively over seven hundred thousand Palestinians were kicked out. They

523
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 4: were evacuated, evicted from their homes. Villages like Darias Scene

524
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 4: were burned down to the ground, no trace of it.

525
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 4: Dozens of kids in villages like Darias Scene were made

526
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 4: into orphans. Palaestinians were kicked out in nineteen forty eight

527
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 4: and not allowed to return to their homes. And you

528
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 4: see a Palestinian with a key around their neck that

529
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 4: is not just a symbol, that is oftentimes literally the

530
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 4: key that their parents or grandparents, or if they're old enough,

531
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Speaker 4: they themselves had to the home that they always wanted

532
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 4: to go back to. And so Palastinians are mad because

533
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 4: they were kicked out of their home. Palaestines are mad

534
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 4: because they weren't allowed to return. Palstians are mad because

535
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 4: because all of their traditions are being uprooted. And so

536
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 4: they continued to resist, and they continued to fight. And

537
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 4: I understand the UN stepped in forty seven and said, look,

538
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Speaker 4: we're going to a partition the land for you.

539
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 1: We're gonna divide this up.

540
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Speaker 4: But the problem is that the dividing came, they say, well,

541
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Speaker 4: we'll give We'll give the Desionists the issue that the

542
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 4: Jewish kind of the pre Israeli state. We're gonna give

543
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 4: them forty five percent. We'll give y'all, I mean, you're

544
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 4: fifty five percent. We'll get Arabs forty five percent. Here's

545
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 4: the problem, though Jews only made a thirty percent of

546
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 4: the people then, and it only made a five percent

547
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 4: of the landowners. But they were offering fifty five percent

548
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 4: of land. So of course the Palca said no, oh,

549
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,959
Speaker 4: we take that. And so that also starts this narrative

550
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 4: that every time that the Arabs don't want peace, that

551
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 4: the Palestanians don't want peace, because whenever we try to

552
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 4: make a two state solution or a peace deal, they

553
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 4: say no. The reason they make they say that is

554
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 4: because they're a bad deal. If I'll go on to

555
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 4: Teslim's home and say, look, I'm here. Now you got

556
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 4: the roll and Tesslants, I ain't going nowhere. You probably

557
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 4: got a shotgun. So now we're fighting. Now we're battling out.

558
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 4: And then imagine my neighbor coming and say, look, long, Nossembles,

559
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 4: what's We'll split the house in half. You can be like,

560
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:02,959
Speaker 4: how are we splitting this house in half?

561
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: Is my house?

562
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 4: And as we're fighting over how to split the house up,

563
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 4: I keep putting moving furniture in. And that's what's happened

564
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 4: since nineteen forty eight is settlement. Even in the land

565
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 4: that Palastinians were given, and more was taken in the

566
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 4: course of war, from twenty five percent to seventy percent.

567
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 4: Israel has also expanded by building more settlements in areas

568
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 4: that are supposed to be for Palestinians. In nineteen sixty

569
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 4: is last thing I was. In nineteen sixty seven, there

570
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 4: was another war called the Sixth Day War. At the

571
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 4: end of that war, which was between Israel and Jordan, Syria,

572
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 4: Egypt and the Palestinians, they took more land, so Daza,

573
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 4: which we're now talking about all in the news was

574
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 4: taken from Egypt in nineteen sixty seven. The Sign that

575
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 4: desert was taking in nineteen sixty seven. The Golden Heights

576
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 4: was taken from Syria in nineteen sixty seven. Eas Jerusalem

577
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 4: was taken from Jordan in nineteen sixty seven. E Strusalum

578
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 4: is where all the religious sights are. And so now

579
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 4: Israel controls all this land. But guess what after World

580
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 4: War After World War One, we decided, guess what, you

581
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 4: can't take people's land by force. That's against international law.

582
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 4: You can't win a war and take everybody's land. We

583
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 4: can't conquer anymore. We don't do empires. We do countries,

584
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 4: and countries have to be respected. So what Israel did

585
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 4: is they occupied the same way the United States occupied Iraq.

586
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 4: We occupied, They occupate giant Israel. Israel occupied these lands.

587
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 4: I just talked about Gaza, Sinai, East Jerusalem, and most

588
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 4: of it, some of it they got back, they gave

589
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 4: back when they lost in seventy three, but a lot

590
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 4: of it they held onto. And so Palestinians who live

591
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 4: in say the West Bank, it's been under occupation since

592
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 4: the nineteen sixty seven war. That means that they live

593
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 4: under israel military control. They have to have they have

594
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 4: past books, they have called how we they have ID cars,

595
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 4: they got to go through checkpoints they don't have. They

596
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 4: can't govern themselves. But they can never be a citizen

597
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 4: of Israel. The person who gets who got kicked out

598
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 4: of Jerusalem in nineteen forty eight, they made. As you

599
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 4: go to the graveyard, you'll see their great great great

600
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 4: grandparents seventeen times over.

601
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: But they can never live in Jerusalem again. They can

602
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: never be citizens of Israel.

603
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 4: But somebody can come from Brooklyn right now as a

604
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 4: settler and move right into their house and get citizenship immediately.

605
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 4: They can marry somebody and move them in, whereas where

606
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 4: as somebody from Bethlehem can never get married into Israeli

607
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 4: citizenship in the same way. And so this is why

608
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 4: they're mad. Let me say one more thing. Jewish people

609
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 4: who are in israelis in particular, because there's not just

610
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 4: Jewish Relis arabage Raelies, but Jewish Israelis feel like I

611
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 4: think what they would say is we have an ancestral

612
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 4: tie here. This was a Jewish land, and we've always

613
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 4: said we wanted to come back every year at Easter.

614
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 4: Every year when we you know, we say next year

615
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 4: in Jerusalem, and we've always wanted to come back here.

616
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 4: This is always our homeland, and we need a safe

617
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 4: space because whenever we've been in the minority, they've killed us,

618
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 4: they've tortured, they've made programs. So we need a Jewish

619
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 4: state to make sure that we're safe. The problem with

620
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 4: the Jewish state is everybody who's not Jewish doesn't have

621
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 4: the same rights.

622
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: And that's what makes it a part your part, your partner.

623
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Speaker 3: Now, I was watching one of the commentators say, you know,

624
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Speaker 3: because just in real simple terms, you know, they said,

625
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Speaker 3: if this is about freedom and the question of freedom,

626
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 3: you know why our innocent lives being killed? Why are

627
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 3: babies you know, being killed and beheaded? And basically what

628
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 3: the narrative they were saying is out of all the

629
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 3: stuff that you said about land, occupation and being free,

630
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 3: that knows this is homos is just a terrorist group.

631
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Speaker 2: What is your that's not so.

632
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: So.

633
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Speaker 4: The first thing is and I don't support from us,

634
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Speaker 4: and I believe that the acts that they committed last

635
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 4: week were acts of terrorism.

636
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: It's a complicated story.

637
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 4: First of all, again, terrorism didn't start history didn't begin

638
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 4: last week. Israeli terrorism has been a part of the

639
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 4: struggle over this land or Zionis terrorism has been a

640
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 4: part of the struggle over this land for seventy five years,

641
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 4: if not longer. Look at the bombing of the King

642
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 4: David Hotel, and then look at the Ira Gun and

643
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 4: the Lahy. These are the sort of right wing extremist groups,

644
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 4: some of whom became of the ir Room became I'm sorry,

645
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 4: the Haganah anyway, I don't want to get too far off,

646
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 4: but there was a major army, the Haganah right, and

647
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 4: then there are these other armies that became sort of

648
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 4: extreme groups, and some of them were responsible for acts

649
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 4: of terrorism, of bombings, of all sorts of stuff.

650
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: This has happened for a long time.

651
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:52,719
Speaker 4: Even now, Palestinians die every day by acts of violence

652
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 4: that will be considered illegal under international law. So the

653
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 4: violence and civilian killings, all of it is evil. All

654
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 4: of it is wrong, and it happens on both sides.

655
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 4: But this ain't a both sides thing. Hamas was democratically

656
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 4: elected in two thousand and six. People, don't we have

657
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 4: to remember that right Hamas was democratically elected in two

658
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 4: thousand and six, and not this isn't dish, This isn't isis.

659
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 4: They were elected in two thousand and six by the

660
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 4: Palestinian people by a close margin, but they won.

661
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: It was a fair election. Nobody disputes that it was

662
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: a fair election.

663
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 4: Since two thousand and six, the Gaza strip has been

664
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 4: controlled by Israel. Though even though all the Jewish people

665
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 4: left in two thousand and five, and even though there's

666
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 4: no Israeli troops inside of Gaza, they controlled it by land,

667
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 4: by air, by sea, by the electric magnetic sphere that

668
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 4: they can control every dollar that goes in, every morsel

669
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 4: of food that goes in, They control the population registry.

670
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: They have controlled it in every single way.

671
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 4: Palace Standians have not had a moment of self determination

672
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 4: even in Gaza since nine, since two thousand and six,

673
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 4: and so that has created what is effectively called an

674
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 4: open air prison.

675
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: And and they don't have it.

676
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 4: They don't have enough unemployment is through the roof, they

677
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 4: don't have putable water, they don't have sufficient energy, and

678
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 4: all of that comes from Israel. So even though So's

679
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 4: people say Israel is not occupying Gaza, oh, Israel is

680
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 4: occupying Gaza through effective control. Just because you don't have

681
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 4: boots on the ground, it doesn't matter. It would be

682
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 4: like saying I'm not incarcerated because there's no prison guards. Right,

683
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 4: If I can't leave, I'm in prison. And so this

684
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 4: becomes the dynamic here. Hamas Is is a religious party, right,

685
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 4: it's uh Hamas stands for head capulism and this Lam

686
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 4: media meaning like uh the uh the the Islamic resistance movement.

687
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: So that's true.

688
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 4: Again, I don't believe in religious movements as I don't.

689
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: I don't.

690
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 4: I think you should be secular movement's not religious movements

691
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 4: to leave people. So again I get why people are

692
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 4: frustrated with hamass Ha mass has not done effective leading,

693
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 4: but they haven't had a moment of felt self governance.

694
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 4: They're beginning that Israel has refused to recognize and negotiate

695
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 4: with them, and so they haven't given people an alternative out.

696
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 4: They've undermined the ability to have free and fair elections.

697
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 4: So again I'm not defending him out. Again I don't

698
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 4: support him ask, but it's too simple to just say

699
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 4: Hamas are terrorists. And part of why they want the

700
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 4: terrorists label on hamass Is so that then they don't

701
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 4: have to negotiate with them. They did the same thing

702
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 4: with the PLO in the nineteen sixties and the nineteen seventies,

703
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 4: and in the nineteen eighties they refused to acknowledge the PLO,

704
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 4: and they refuse to allow to negotiate with the PLO

705
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 4: all the way up them there until nineteen ninety three

706
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 4: with the Oslow course. And what's messed up about it

707
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 4: is they always have a reason for it, a pretext

708
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 4: for it that really isn't the case. And let's remember

709
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 4: Hamas only controls Gaza. The West Bank is controlled by FATA,

710
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 4: it's controlled by a different party. And Israeli negotiating with them.

711
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 4: They not someone up with a piece with a real

712
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 4: peace solution for them. Palacins gave up all, gave up

713
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 4: so much nineteen ninety three to come up with the

714
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 4: so called two state solutions plan with the Allslow course.

715
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 4: They gave them so much. And now nineteen ninety three,

716
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 4: I'm a bad math. Thirty years later, they still don't

717
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 4: have a state, they still don't have contiguous land, they

718
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 4: still don't have a human rights, they still have the

719
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 4: right to return. They're still under the foot in the

720
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 4: boot of Israel. So when you look at what Hamas

721
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 4: did with this awful killing, there's awful killing. It's indefensible.

722
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 4: It didn't start here. The boot has been on their

723
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 4: next since nineteen forty eight. And now this generation of people,

724
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 4: this generation of young people, they didn't vote for them,

725
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 4: liketed again in two thousand and six. Forty seven percent

726
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 4: of Godsens are under eighteen. That means that most of

727
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 4: them were either not born or one or two years

728
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 4: old when Hamas was elected, and they've never.

729
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: Been been able to participate in elections.

730
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 4: So this isn't because there's some terrorist people who are barbarics.

731
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: It's that they're tired of being unfree.

732
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 4: They're tired of starving, they're tired of being subjected to

733
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 4: random violence, tired of their babies being killed. They're tired

734
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 4: of being shot out in the street like ducks in

735
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 4: a pond.

736
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: During the Mark of Peace march, like the March of Return.

737
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 4: They're tired of being told just like black folk here,

738
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 4: they're tired of being told, well, if you just don't

739
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 4: be violent, you'll be fine. And then they come up

740
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 4: with the BDS movement, a non violent movement, and they

741
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 4: criminalize that and then they say, well, just tell your

742
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 4: story through media. Then they kill journalists like should he

743
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 4: not block let and they do nothing about it. There's

744
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 4: no justice for her. They say, well, if you just

745
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 4: play by the game, we'll get your justice. They gave

746
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 4: the Oslo a course, and no justice has been achieved

747
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 4: for any Palestinian people. And that's why this goes on.

748
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 4: Hamas is a distraction in a lot of ways. Again,

749
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 4: we need to take seriously what happened. The loss of

750
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 4: life is real. The loss of life is gruesome. The

751
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 4: loss of life is grotesque. I do not defend that

752
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 4: in any way, form or fashion. The solution, though, isn't

753
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 4: to just make Hamas the whole string. The solutions to

754
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 4: come up with a lasting piece to end the Israeli

755
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 4: occupation of the West Bank, the effect of can over gays.

756
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 4: It to end the apartheid state that gives some people

757
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 4: more rights and freedoms than others. It is to It

758
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 4: is to allow Palestinians to have the right to return

759
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 4: to their homelands. We're kicked out in forty eight, and

760
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 4: international law does allow right of return for the children

761
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 4: of refugees as well.

762
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: It's about all of those things.

763
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 4: It's about re establishing the pre nineteen sixty seven borders

764
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 4: so the Palestinians can have an actual.

765
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: A border, because issue doesn't even have to fine borders.

766
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 4: And we need to come up with some solutions for

767
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 4: Jerusalem so that everybody, all the religions, all the people

768
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 4: can have a legitimate and fair of shot at practicing

769
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 4: their faith and having a free society. That's what we need.

770
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 4: And until you do all of that shit, nothing else

771
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 4: is going to work.

772
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: The same.

773
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 4: We're going to keep seeing Fergusons and Minneapolis come up

774
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 4: as long as police keep killing us and we ain't

775
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 4: got no jobs and they keep locking us up, and

776
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 4: we're going to see these same outcomes.

777
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean I defend the violence, but it.

778
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 4: Means I want a solution to the violence, and you

779
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 4: can't get a solution without.

780
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 3: Justice because it just seems to be so you know,

781
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 3: for people who are not foreign police policy experts, I'm

782
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 3: not a thank you again, Mark for breaking all this down.

783
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 3: I know it's late on a Sunday evening, and I

784
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 3: really really appreciate this because I really wanted to have

785
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 3: an understanding. I know most people just probably just don't

786
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 3: understand because then the media just seems very black and white.

787
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 3: You know, people who are pro who are talking about

788
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 3: the things that you're talking about and saying, you know,

789
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 3: free Palestinians, they're being told, you know, you're a terrorists

790
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 3: and you're you know, you must agree with the death.

791
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 3: You know, I'm looking at how they're doing it. I'm

792
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 3: looked at what the New York mayor said, you know,

793
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 3: getting selected elected members of Congress. So it's just been

794
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 3: really confusing. And you know, I know you have a

795
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 3: book out with the name of your bookmark, just in

796
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 3: case people.

797
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 4: Want to accept for Palestine the limits of progressive politics.

798
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 3: Okay, so I'm going to check it out myself. And

799
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 3: it's just been really, really confusing, and so I'm grateful

800
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 3: that you, you know, came around, and I think I'm

801
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 3: glad you answered the main question that I had, and

802
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people like me have, like

803
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 3: what role should black people play, if any and if

804
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 3: they do not want to play a role, you know,

805
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 3: should they be shamed for that? And that's just kind of,

806
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 3: you know, been my main thing.

807
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 4: The only thing I say in ten seconds is even

808
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 4: if you don't want to play a role, y'all, your

809
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 4: tax money is still funding the occupation, so you're not blameless.

810
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 4: At the very least, you need to vote in a

811
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 4: way that they're no longer underwrights, that no longer funds

812
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 4: this occupation.

813
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 3: Is it okay we would say I don't want to

814
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 3: fund any war, you know, does it have to be

815
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 3: this particular occupation or.

816
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: All of them? I think that's the same point.

817
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 4: Is we spend so little time thinking about where our

818
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 4: money goes and how I'm fund and we don't hold

819
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 4: politicians accountable for it. These politicians will do around the stations,

820
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 4: just got hemmed up on a campaign trail, giving them

821
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 4: stupid talking points, and somebody called them out on and said, look,

822
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 4: I was going to vote for you, and now I'm

823
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 4: not because of your response to this guy's thing. It's

824
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 4: like these politicians get elected, to get reelected, they will

825
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 4: do whatever it is to keep their power. We have

826
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 4: to hold them accountable, not just for other people's issues,

827
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 4: for hours too. And you know you've been at the

828
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 4: forefront of telling us that whole people accountable, having an agenda,

829
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 4: leverage our power for our interests. You are one thousand

830
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 4: percent right. I'm just saying we got to add this

831
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 4: to the mix of that. We got to add this

832
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 4: to the list.

833
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 3: But don't you think I list as long as hell though,

834
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 3: you know, I'm just speaking for the for the people

835
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 3: in the bank, like I listened as long as hell.

836
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 3: I mean I and you know, when I say push

837
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 3: the line politics here, something happens. I think everybody has

838
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 3: a role to play and the things that you know

839
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 3: they're passionate about. So, for example, I'm very passionate about

840
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 3: mass incarceration. But I did hear you when you said no,

841
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 3: when we talking about how police departments and who's training

842
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 3: you know, who's training our police officers, and how this

843
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 3: makes a connection, that was a great nugget, you know

844
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 3: that I that I learned, you know, as a result

845
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 3: of this. But at the same time, you know, my

846
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 3: passion leans towards you know, certain areas and I and

847
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 3: I just you know, I'm just being honest. The list

848
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 3: just seeing you know, advocates and those of us that

849
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 3: are in the media and talk all the time. We

850
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 3: can afford to have a long list, but I just

851
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 3: want people to be passionate about something. Mark, And I

852
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 3: just don't know if every person is going to add

853
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 3: this to the list in addition to inflation and add

854
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 3: back of jobs, in addition to the cousins locked up

855
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 3: in the opinion.

856
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: You know, like it's so the list is just so

857
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: damn some.

858
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: Of the stuff. But some of the stuff be rhyming though,

859
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: Like the people who got the best.

860
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 4: From my perspective, people who have the right agenda on

861
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 4: the economy and are the right agenda on mass incarceration

862
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 4: tend to have the right position on this issue too,

863
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 4: more than those who don't.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

865
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Speaker 4: It ain't like when we when we choose in Canadas,

866
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 4: we rarely inster choose a candidate who who believes in

867
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Speaker 4: environmental justice but doesn't believe in education fixing the school.

868
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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like typically they rhyme, you know,

869
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 4: they don't always, but they right. And part of why

870
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 4: I wrote the book except for Palestine, is because a

871
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 4: lot of time, the one exception is Palestine. These people

872
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 4: will be progressing on every issue. But that so my

873
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 4: point is if we just let them know we watching.

874
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 4: We ain't got to become foreign policy experts, We ain't

875
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 4: got to prioritize Palestine over the projects. But what we

876
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 4: can do is say, look, we watching. We're watching y'all,

877
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 4: so we need you all to be acountable on this issue,

878
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 4: just like you are all this other stuff.

879
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 3: But it seems like we'll be watching, and it seems

880
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 3: like a lot of these politicians be silent when it

881
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 3: comes to our issues though, you know, you.

882
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: Know, so I get.

883
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 3: I guess it's just hard for me, Mark, because I

884
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 3: just and again you know, I'm a veteran so again, empathy,

885
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 3: I don't I don't.

886
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 2: I don't want to see war.

887
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 3: I don't want to see young babies getting slaughtered and

888
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 3: killed and all of that. But I'm just gonna need

889
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 3: them just to be a little bit more louder on

890
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 3: the issues that you know, that are concern that that

891
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:29,959
Speaker 3: that are in front of my front door.

892
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just being honest.

893
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: You know.

894
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 4: I think you're right. I think you're right. We got

895
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 4: to leverage that power. And again, I would not tell

896
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 4: any black person in the world to prioritize that over this.

897
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 4: I think you are one thousand percent right. I'm just saying,

898
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 4: if we if we can, let's do it. If we can't,

899
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 4: then must just focus on our stuff. But but I

900
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 4: think there's so much there's a lot of points of

901
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 4: sourdarity where we can work together. And if we're smart

902
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 4: and build those networks are solid thearity, then we ain't

903
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 4: the only ones with the long list, right And if

904
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 4: the and and if their list gets longer, ours can

905
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 4: get shorter. In other words, if if seeing Americans over

906
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 4: here fighting against police terrorism against us, and you know,

907
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 4: black men are out here speaking up for reproductive rights

908
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 4: of women, then everybody's list gets a little shorter.

909
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: And again, these issues start rhyming.

910
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 4: And once they start rhyming, then all of a sudden,

911
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 4: we ain't got to fight in the same way to

912
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 4: get to get hurt.

913
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna need the names, Mark, I'm gonna need

914
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 3: the names. So who's gonna actually I need to know

915
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 3: the name. I need the transactional to one for one.

916
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 3: We're gonna have Mark help y'all fight. Now, who y'all

917
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 3: sitting over? It's just real old school with me, real

918
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 3: dodge dodgeball team. If Mark is gonna talk for y'all issue,

919
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:49,919
Speaker 3: then who's gonna come over and talk for usself?

920
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 2: Let's do it that way. Let's do one for one.

921
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: If I can live with that, that's good.

922
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: Let's do some traits.

923
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 3: Let's let's you know, let's let's talk business. You know,

924
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 3: let's really get and I'm there serious about that, like

925
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 3: cause I just.

926
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: Feel like the way they be kicking, they might have

927
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: to send two.

928
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, send two, two for one. I'll take them two

929
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 2: for one deal. Let's listen to something.

930
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 3: But all of this secret solidarity, I don't know, like

931
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 3: I'm here what you're saying. And I do think again,

932
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 3: everybody shouldn't, I tell you by all the time, just

933
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 3: like on Twitter day, they advocate heavy for reparations all day,

934
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 3: every day, reparation reverend, and I say all the time, hey,

935
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 3: push that line, but don't get mad at other people

936
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 3: who want to talk about Medicare for all, because at

937
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 3: the end of the day, even if everybody got reparations,

938
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 3: you're still not going to build a healthcare industry. There's

939
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 3: still going to be a pharmaceutical company. There's still gonna

940
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 3: be you know, the pharmaceutical industry. There's still You're still

941
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 3: not gonna be a financial institution, no matter how many

942
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 3: banks you black banks, you think you can own whatever.

943
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, unless you plan on

944
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 3: being the US Department of Treasury we're still going to

945
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 3: have to deal with these systems. So I'm always trying

946
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 3: to educate people that there is a role for somebody

947
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 3: and again, reparations, folks.

948
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 2: I'm saying that because I know a lot of y'all.

949
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: I know y'all going crazy listening listening to Mark talk about,

950
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 3: you know, solidarity, because a lot of their argument is,

951
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 3: which is why I'm putting that out. There is no

952
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 3: damn it until they talk about our issues today, talk

953
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 3: about ration. We're gonna talk about that, and and so

954
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 3: I'm speaking, you know for that.

955
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 4: Boy, They're not wrong because we have to prioritize our

956
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 4: justice claims.

957
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: I don't disagree.

958
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 4: I happen to believe in the big picture that our

959
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 4: justice claims will be more fulfilled when we have a bigger,

960
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 4: a wider, a solidarity base. But I think right now,

961
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 4: prioritizing our issues has to be what we do, cancel

962
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 4: every other group does.

963
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: I don't think that's wrong. I don't think that's wrong. Anyway.

964
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 4: I got to run because I got got to make

965
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 4: make some things happen. But I appreciate y'all having me. Man,

966
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 4: it's good talking to you. And uh, I probably I'll

967
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 4: see you soon.

968
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I appreciate you, Mark, thank you so much,

969
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 3: and I get what day are you coming on this week?

970
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: I think I think I think I'm tomorrow.

971
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 3: Okay, great, that's great because we need somebody to break

972
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 3: this down. And I'm gonna make sure to tell the

973
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 3: morning hey, I'm not because he said, well, you could

974
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: break that.

975
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 2: I can't break that down in five minutes.

976
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 3: This is a one hundred history year like this is

977
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 3: a lot, you know, and I don't want to say

978
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 3: the wrong thing and be misinformed.

979
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 2: So I'm trying to stay on top of the best

980
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: I can.

981
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 3: I will read your book. I'll read either the other

982
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 3: opinions on its as well. I think that's important. I

983
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 3: think it's really important to consume as much information as possible,

984
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 3: you know, and formulate your own pinion.

985
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Mark up for joining us. I

986
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 2: will seeing the.

987
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:21,840
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00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,280
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00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,879
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