Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Waken Jake. It's Tearless season and
Speaker 1: we're going out to the Left Coast left field. I
Speaker 1: liked the left field position. There is more quality than
Speaker 1: I thought. The tops a little ugly, but there's a
Speaker 1: lot of beef and a lot of potential. Speaking of
Speaker 1: both of those words, Jolly Olive is here. How are you, Jolly?
Speaker 2: I'm good, Jake. It's been a minute we've been gabbin today, though.
Speaker 1: We have been gabin uh talking baseball. We pre recorded
Speaker 1: a couple tierlests, so it's been a minute since we've
Speaker 1: actually been in the lab. So I'm excited to grind
Speaker 1: it out with you and King Beebes today and as
Speaker 1: our tier list, we like to start off with some
Speaker 1: tears and I think we've done good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think well to that.
Speaker 1: I think we've done well so far. And thank you
Speaker 1: to everyone that's been tuning in and listening. People like
Speaker 1: the Tearless Man, Oh yeah, how about that? And everyone
Speaker 1: said they like Carabas more than you. I don't know
Speaker 1: what that's about. Fair, it's fair.
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Speaker 3: and the sorry it's okay.
Speaker 1: At the top of the tier list we currently have
Speaker 1: moving stage left doesn't feel like an S tier, but
Speaker 1: I don't know what that even means. Ran out of
Speaker 1: hands in there? Is that about carrying groceries? Can you
Speaker 1: play left field? Its interesting third tier for the position.
Speaker 1: Thank you, sir, may I have another twenty twenty six
Speaker 1: S tiers young studs. It feels like what's left in
Speaker 1: the tank might have been a jolly one. And then
Speaker 1: at the bottom I put this maybe the bottom because
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be the bottom. We'll see if
Speaker 1: we need to separate those guys anymore. Happy Grape. We
Speaker 1: discussed the top of the list, and I think there's
Speaker 1: two names that are unequivocally on top of the left
Speaker 1: field position.
Speaker 2: Yeah. He came to a pretty mutual agreement pretty quick
Speaker 2: on the two names that we thought should be up here.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting because you think of the S tiers
Speaker 2: and some of our other tierless and their names of
Speaker 2: the game faces of franchise, this type thing. But when
Speaker 2: you look at these two guys in the al and
Speaker 2: they are very very clearly at the pinnacle of left
Speaker 2: field player right now. In leftfield's a funky position. We're
Speaker 2: going to get into it. But there is no real
Speaker 2: funk when it comes to Riley Green, who was just
Speaker 2: absolutely fantastic, very clearly the best position player on the
Speaker 2: Detroit Tigers, a team that was one went away from
Speaker 2: the Alcs. Last year. He fully broke out the former
Speaker 2: fifth overall pick with a five war year, twenty four
Speaker 2: home runs, was playing a lot of center field last year.
Speaker 2: Looks like he's going to be the primary left fielder,
Speaker 2: even though he was the primary left fielder last year.
Speaker 2: So that war number may tick up, but I'm expecting
Speaker 2: big things. He's only going to be twenty four years old.
Speaker 2: The future is very bright in Detroit with him and
Speaker 2: Trek Scoogle, and yeah, when you look at cross the
Speaker 2: field in terms of guys that bring everything to the
Speaker 2: table in terms of glove speed, contact power, Riley Green
Speaker 2: has it all going for him.
Speaker 1: Riley Green five and a half be war last year,
Speaker 1: twenty four years old. It seems like the light bulb
Speaker 1: is on. I this is a dumb little thing. You
Speaker 1: don't see a lot of baseball references that are just
Speaker 1: like an upward trajectory. Yeah, he came up as a
Speaker 1: twenty one year old, played ninety three games, six eighty
Speaker 1: two ops. He then as a twenty two year old,
Speaker 1: he played ninety nine games, seven ninety six ops. That's
Speaker 1: really good. Last year one hundred and thirty seven. It
Speaker 1: all comes together eight twenty seven. It feels like there's
Speaker 1: more to that trajectory. And like you said, shifting over
Speaker 1: to left field, it's a big outfield. Then, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: people forget that Riley Green is prime. I don't know,
Speaker 1: thirty homer season and good defense. Is that enough to
Speaker 1: be an S tier left fielder? I think so.
Speaker 2: I think it is too. And I mean you can
Speaker 2: look at his month by month and a lot of
Speaker 2: his down months were when Parker Meadows wasn't really in
Speaker 2: the picture for the Tigers because he got sent down,
Speaker 2: had to fix his approach a little bit. And when
Speaker 2: Parker Meadows was down, Riley Green is playing more centerfield.
Speaker 2: Meadows comes up, he's the center fielder because he's a
Speaker 2: great defender. Green moves to left and I think that
Speaker 2: might have had a positive impact on his offense, because
Speaker 2: he finished the year really strong, with an eight thirty
Speaker 2: seven OPS in September when they were winning basically every
Speaker 2: day the Tigers were, so that extrapolated over a full season.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty excited for Riley Green in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: Extrapolate that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Riley Green really bad numbers as a DH last year,
Speaker 1: so Tigers don't do that. That's my advice. He also
Speaker 1: the numbers were a little they fell right under a
Speaker 1: seven hundred ops vers lefties. He is in the position
Speaker 1: that he plays every day in the best way to
Speaker 1: get better at that is see more of it. So
Speaker 1: let's see his evolution there. And then there's an easy
Speaker 1: guy that joins him. I will introduce him because he
Speaker 1: plays for my favorite team.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 1: Jared Duran had an insane season last year that got
Speaker 1: overshadowed by three four other freak seasons in the AL.
Speaker 1: Last year, Bobby wit Gunner, Judgie and Soto. Jared Duran
Speaker 1: put up an eight point seven b war. That's some years,
Speaker 1: that's MVP level. He ended up eighth in the MVP.
Speaker 1: Cora called him out a little bit before the season.
Speaker 1: We need you to be our leadoff hitter. We need
Speaker 1: you to be a guy on this team. And he did.
Speaker 1: He led the American League and I think all of
Speaker 1: baseball and played appearances at bats and triples thirty four
Speaker 1: stolen bases, an eight thirty four ohps with that kind
Speaker 1: of speed, another guy that's wrestled a little bit of center.
Speaker 1: It feels like the Socks are going to try to
Speaker 1: have him settle in left field. And I will say
Speaker 1: with all these outfield lists, and I saw some of
Speaker 1: the comments when we did right field, oh field gets
Speaker 1: a little tricky. We got a lot of guys hopping
Speaker 1: around these days. Who's gonna be here, who's gonna be there?
Speaker 1: So we're doing our best people, you.
Speaker 3: Know, getting ahead of the future controversy. Trout moved to
Speaker 3: right field after we did that one, so he might
Speaker 3: just not end up on teerless this year.
Speaker 1: I like that for him. That's the current state of
Speaker 1: Mike Trout.
Speaker 2: No pressure, Yeah, Jaron Duran eighth and MVP voting, which
Speaker 2: is nuts. I mean, I think it's like you have
Speaker 2: to compete with Vladdie and Wan Soto and Judge and
Speaker 2: Bobby Wit and Gunner. It's like you lose this in
Speaker 2: the cards of what was a terrific season. Something about
Speaker 2: this might just be me being a nerd. I love
Speaker 2: seeing the number seven in play appearances. When it gets
Speaker 2: to that seven hundred.
Speaker 1: Mm that means you play a lot, means you.
Speaker 2: Were out there every day, And like, I love that
Speaker 2: you bring up the core thing whenever we talk about him,
Speaker 2: because I do think that had a pretty decent effect
Speaker 2: on Duran kind of stepping into the player. He became
Speaker 2: at age twenty seventh the former seventh round pick, a
Speaker 2: little different than the fifth overall pick for Riley Green.
Speaker 2: Jared Duran makes it. He makes me excited for the
Speaker 2: Red Sox man. I mean he he starts that engine
Speaker 2: a little bit. Everyone's talking about the infield right now
Speaker 2: with Bregman coming in and whereas ever's gonna play. You
Speaker 2: forget that this is a pretty talented outfield unit and
Speaker 2: the headliner is Jared Durant, who's coming off one of
Speaker 2: the better seasons of the twenty twenties. Just overall, it's
Speaker 2: tough when you compete in that Al East division with
Speaker 2: a ton of talented outfielders, but Jared Duran fully deserving
Speaker 2: to be in that S tier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in twenty twenty three, well, this is been Jared
Speaker 1: Duran was incredible. Last year twenty twenty four, he had
Speaker 1: the fifth best war It was uh show Hay, it
Speaker 1: was Judge wit Gunner in the AL and then show
Speaker 1: Hay was the only one in the NL. So it
Speaker 1: was the fifth best war on all of baseball, which
Speaker 1: is pretty nuts. And I just to try to make
Speaker 1: the scope a little better. It would have been the
Speaker 1: second best in twenty twenty three. Only show Hey would
Speaker 1: have beaten him. So I mean Red Sox fans, if
Speaker 1: they really wanted, they could even make a push to
Speaker 1: put Jaron Duran alone on the S tier. If Riley
Speaker 1: Green out plays Jaron Duran this year, I don't think
Speaker 1: anyone would be surprised. Jared Duran has a little more
Speaker 1: help from his ballpark. Oh yeah, and his lineup, which
Speaker 1: I know some people still don't believe in that, but
Speaker 1: I think it's a nice topping for these two. Moving
Speaker 1: stage left, let's put center field in our rearview, let's
Speaker 1: go out to left, let's make the plays, and let's
Speaker 1: hit a lot. Duran sets the tone for that lineup.
Speaker 1: And if I was corny, I would say the Tigers
Speaker 1: go as far as Riley Green takes them. But it's
Speaker 1: probably the five basically rookies they're starting, Yeah, and if
Speaker 1: they're good or not, So that's for your that's for
Speaker 1: talking Tigers. Please don't apply for that job position after them. Jolly,
Speaker 1: I guess who's if you got one name next? Because
Speaker 1: I actually this is a pairing, so I don't know
Speaker 1: in the ran out of hands category, I well, no,
Speaker 1: I will, I will start over. You get one name,
Speaker 1: I say, Jared Duran, Riley Green. Okay, whatever your team needs,
Speaker 1: you need speed, you need power. Do you believe in
Speaker 1: Riley Green going to the next step? You can debate
Speaker 1: that all you want the next guy for left field? Oh,
Speaker 1: because I don't know if you believe in it.
Speaker 2: My number three left fielders when you're asking me, I
Speaker 2: think it's Stephen Kwan, I think, but I'm I'm torn
Speaker 2: because Kwan does a lot, and he's also kind of
Speaker 2: my favorite kind of baseball player to watch. I really
Speaker 2: like watching contact hitors.
Speaker 1: I just think you see him at spring training.
Speaker 2: I saw him. I didn't get a chat with him.
Speaker 2: Rosie kind of hogged him a little bit. I didn't
Speaker 2: want to say anything because he was like a kid
Speaker 2: in a Candy Star Guardians camp, but he did HOGQN
Speaker 2: a little bit. Me and Will Brennan are tight. That's fine.
Speaker 2: Four war season last year, three straight gold gloves to
Speaker 2: start his career good, which might be the first time
Speaker 2: that ever happened. I don't know made that up that stat.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you believe it, that's up to you.
Speaker 2: The slug was up last year, which has me excited
Speaker 2: moving forward. He had eleven home runs going into the year.
Speaker 2: He hit fourteen last year, which is pretty neat. So
Speaker 2: if he's adding that dimension to his game, there's a
Speaker 2: very distinct possibility that Kwan even nudges his way to
Speaker 2: the top tier.
Speaker 1: Also, if I tuned you out, my apologies, but for
Speaker 1: war in one hundred and twenty two games.
Speaker 2: Which puts him on six war Or which.
Speaker 1: That was essentially his rookie year, yeah, that's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: real good.
Speaker 2: That's Riley Green Jared durn tyket building, which by yeah,
Speaker 2: he did that his rookie season. So the reason I
Speaker 2: put Kwan three and the other guy who I'll let
Speaker 2: you talk about, four is because I think we don't
Speaker 2: exactly know how good it can get for Steven Kwan, which,
Speaker 2: by the way, Cleveland Guardians extend the man like now
Speaker 2: because you just got a bunch of money off your books.
Speaker 1: Lock him sadly already a Yankee, and I can't believe you would.
Speaker 2: You you don't even believe that. You don't believe that
Speaker 2: want to.
Speaker 3: Kwan.
Speaker 2: He's just a really fun player to watch him. A
Speaker 2: little bit biased towards him, for sure, but I think
Speaker 2: he among left fielders, I would put him in my
Speaker 2: top three.
Speaker 1: Seeing Kwan's rookie year and seeing that he did miss
Speaker 1: action last year, it raises the eyebrow a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean it's also it's a high risk. I know
Speaker 1: he upped his power numbers, but offensively, he's banking on
Speaker 1: being a contact bat, which is very hard in modern baseball.
Speaker 1: But he has the tool, and some of his numbers
Speaker 1: are so sick seeing his wrike out to walk numbers
Speaker 1: are insane. I mean, kind of kind of a dream
Speaker 1: leadoff hitter. I know baseball's gotten away from that a
Speaker 1: little bit, but i'd obviously you want the show, Hayes
Speaker 1: or Judge or whoever. I'd like to see those guys
Speaker 1: with Stephen Kwan in front of that.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: This is the ark, get a hit, get on base.
Speaker 2: I mean you mentioned the walk to strike out rate.
Speaker 2: Two of his three years more walks than shrekouts career
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty five walks to one hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty six strikeouts. That's just nice. They don't go defense
Speaker 2: and gold glove defense on top of all that.
Speaker 1: And like we probably if the Guardians didn't value run
Speaker 1: prevention over everything, like for a lot of teams, Stephen
Speaker 1: Kwan probably would have been their center fielder, right and
Speaker 1: we'd be talking about is he one of the best
Speaker 1: center fielders in baseball? So I'm glad Stephen Kwan's up here.
Speaker 1: I was wondering if I would have any question marks
Speaker 1: that popped up with him. I don't know. I love
Speaker 1: the way he plays. Excited to see him on the Yankees.
Speaker 1: I do want to pair him with uh if you
Speaker 1: go look at the gold Glove winners for left field
Speaker 1: for the past three years, Kwan Kwan, Kwan Hap hap hap.
Speaker 1: Are we too close to the situation? I don't think so,
Speaker 1: because I'm getting a switch hitting left fielder three straight
Speaker 1: gold gloves. His past three years are a one to
Speaker 1: eighteen ops plus. It is technically slightly ticked up each
Speaker 1: year one seventeen, one, eighteen one, twenty. Ian Happ will
Speaker 1: be thirty this year. And man, hey, for everything we
Speaker 1: said about Riley Green being in the S tier like,
Speaker 1: can he get to thirty homers and play that elite defense?
Speaker 1: Ian Happ is switch hitting. He hit twenty five homers
Speaker 1: last year, and man switch hitting is still undervalued in baseball. Yes,
Speaker 1: and it just doesn't happen a lot that Ian Happ.
Speaker 2: Jolly.
Speaker 1: We play a lot of out of the park baseball,
Speaker 1: we do. I think if we came up to a
Speaker 1: Kwan Ian Hap draft pick selection, Kwan's a little younger,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe that's it. It's also depending how you want
Speaker 1: to build your team. These guys are so set it
Speaker 1: and forget it on any team, and I think that's
Speaker 1: why they ended up on this tier above a couple
Speaker 1: other names we really like. But I think if you're
Speaker 1: being honest, if everything's neutral, these guys are better all
Speaker 1: around ballplayers.
Speaker 2: I mean, a big barometer we use for teerless is
Speaker 2: the last three years. It's last year and then the
Speaker 2: last three And the gold glove thing kind of fell
Speaker 2: into our lap, which is why we named it right
Speaker 2: out of hands, Right out of hands for your cold gloves.
Speaker 2: Hap in a different way to Kwan, where I said,
Speaker 2: like how good can Kwan get? We know how good
Speaker 2: happens because he's been literally the same dude. For the
Speaker 2: past three years. He's been a four war player. He
Speaker 2: plays one hundred and fifty games, hits twenty home runs,
Speaker 2: and he's a switch hitter that is good on both sides.
Speaker 2: Like switch hitters are fairly uncommon in the game right now.
Speaker 2: What's even less common is a switch that's actually like
Speaker 2: a true switch hitter right that like doesn't have a
Speaker 2: weakness on one side. Happ is one of those guys.
Speaker 2: I think his contract is one of the best in baseball.
Speaker 2: Cups did a great job locking him up to that number,
Speaker 2: and you just know exactly what you're gonna get. It's
Speaker 2: exactly what you said before in terms of like what
Speaker 2: can you set in your lineup and just kind of
Speaker 2: forget about Hap's been that way for a very long
Speaker 2: time now. I just think he gets discredited a little
Speaker 2: bit because even at Hap's best, Riley Green and Gerender
Speaker 2: and have outdone him, like in their recent season, which
Speaker 2: I think that's what we're banking on with the s here.
Speaker 2: It's like who who's the truly elite of this category?
Speaker 2: Not saying that Hap can't be an elite player, but
Speaker 2: I do think that, like you probably know more or
Speaker 2: less what you're gonna get with Ian happ at this point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess if we were, if we did rude Tierless,
Speaker 1: which is not our brand, it's coming up next. Three
Speaker 1: nice guys here, that's not really a John Boy media thing.
Speaker 1: Assholes stand out, that's one of our companies inside things,
Speaker 1: not about the actual body. I guess for me, if
Speaker 1: we were Rude happen, Kwan kind of have a ceiling cap.
Speaker 1: Cap find Kwan offensively. I mean, I hope, I hope
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, and we're talking about him hitting three eighty
Speaker 1: or something like that, but the power is just not
Speaker 1: going to be there in Hap. As much as I
Speaker 1: very much like the guy, it doesn't feel like there's
Speaker 1: a forty homer season in the tank or something like
Speaker 1: that that Riley Green in different stadium, I think we'd
Speaker 1: be talking about that. And Jared Duran the whole nine
Speaker 1: war thing. You don't see a lot of players with
Speaker 1: his speed be able to play baseball that good. So
Speaker 1: I like where it landed, and I think it did
Speaker 1: open up the next tier of can you play left field? Which, jolly,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna expose you a little bit. My favorite thing
Speaker 1: to do. Of course, when we were initially talking about
Speaker 1: how do we think this sorts out? What names are
Speaker 1: you thinking of? You throw out one of my favorite players,
Speaker 1: one of my mom's favorite players, as you mentioned Anthony Santander.
Speaker 2: It did.
Speaker 1: As we talk about forty homer potential, throw potential out
Speaker 1: did it. I guess for him, he's never racked up
Speaker 1: a big war season because his defense is lacking. And
Speaker 1: this is a guy he feels like he's on a
Speaker 1: track towards d h that can you play left field.
Speaker 1: I'm very interesting to see how the Blue Jays handled
Speaker 1: the team that's valued outfield defense the most of the
Speaker 1: past few years. This was their big free agent splash Santander.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting offensive profile too. It's not perfect, it's
Speaker 1: very good. I don't know what he can do in
Speaker 1: left field, so.
Speaker 2: He's been a primary right fielder for most of his career.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie to you. I don't know the
Speaker 2: park factors of corner outfields and Camden and Toronto. I
Speaker 2: don't have that in my book. I apologize. What I
Speaker 2: do know is that forty homers as a switch hitter
Speaker 2: is sick like. That's really valuable. And I said it
Speaker 2: earlier in the off season that I feel like so
Speaker 2: many people said that Santander was an overrated free agent
Speaker 2: that I feel like, by proxy he became an underrated
Speaker 2: free agent. I still think that he's going to have really.
Speaker 1: Good proxy a lot.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm on like a dictionary kick today,
Speaker 2: feel I'm whipping on all on new terms. I had
Speaker 2: two coffees today. I'm jazz doe with Santander. It is
Speaker 2: a little bit of like, how is your team constructed?
Speaker 2: And like if Santander is in an outfield with a
Speaker 2: lesser defensive center fielder that can't pick up some of
Speaker 2: the slack or shift over and help, then like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you view it a little bit differently. In the same way,
Speaker 2: he has the best home run potential of anyone on
Speaker 2: this list. I think that's a pretty fair statement. I
Speaker 2: don't think anybody else is sniffing. You know, the forty
Speaker 2: four mark that he set last year. He said one
Speaker 2: hundred over the last three years, which is pretty bonkers
Speaker 2: when you think about it. So I don't know which
Speaker 2: to leftfield gonna kick things into gear for him the
Speaker 2: last three Yeah, it's my math right there. Let's say
Speaker 2: I think so one hundred and five babes.
Speaker 1: Can you get me the one hundred over three list?
Speaker 3: Basisball just baseball players over one hundred home runs last time?
Speaker 1: Probably? So, so we'll see who else.
Speaker 2: But would you say? Probably?
Speaker 3: And I think it is I'm not great with his
Speaker 3: home No, I'm lost.
Speaker 2: I'm sure every day next year. Point is Santan Derek
Speaker 2: gets a little bit discounted because war doesn't love him
Speaker 2: as much because of the defense. But that is why
Speaker 2: this teers named this. Can you play left field? Because
Speaker 2: if you can maintain that same level approach hitting, uh,
Speaker 2: then yeah, things are gonna tick up for you in
Speaker 2: a big way entering his age thirty season. For a
Speaker 2: lot of guys, that's a good thing. For some guys,
Speaker 2: that's not such a good thing. We will see he's
Speaker 2: one of the more intriguing free agents going into this
Speaker 2: first season of a new deal.
Speaker 1: For me, well, I've got something more intriguing because this
Speaker 1: was a laid ad that we didn't know if was
Speaker 1: going to be on this list. I didn't even this morning.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know if we.
Speaker 3: I felt good about my insight on should he be there,
Speaker 3: but like I was nervous that it was just gonna
Speaker 3: be a whole thing.
Speaker 1: Because there was no way the Houston Astros are going
Speaker 1: to move Joseale to Bay to left field. Right question
Speaker 1: mark is here, but it seems like they are. He
Speaker 1: gave his infield glove to a kid. That was the
Speaker 1: tweet this morning, which that feels.
Speaker 3: A little over the top either way you might like,
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure he's going to play some second past.
Speaker 1: It feels like you'd want to keep that gve. I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: One of nine hitters with one hundred home runs the
Speaker 2: last three years. One so no on the list one
Speaker 2: O three, see it was.
Speaker 1: Closer than the experience on the.
Speaker 3: Nine players have hit one hundred homers over the last
Speaker 3: three seasons.
Speaker 1: Aaron Judge.
Speaker 3: Aaron Judge is number one.
Speaker 1: You don't joke about that, Jollie. That's not a place
Speaker 1: for jokes. Any surprises on the list.
Speaker 2: I was surprised by this is perfect. None of these names.
Speaker 1: Okay, mos surprising name on the list.
Speaker 2: I'll try again. Kyle Schwarber. I guess I don't know.
Speaker 3: Santander. The whole conversation in order Judge show Hey Schwerber,
Speaker 3: Alonzo Medals and Santander Alvarez soto O Zuna.
Speaker 2: Kind of makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Ozuna, I mean I know, I know he's
Speaker 1: great last year, but okay, can you play left field?
Speaker 1: Jose L Tuvey will join him. I was very nervous
Speaker 1: to click on Josel Tuovey's page because I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: does he have nine hundred ops potential in him? Because
Speaker 1: in twenty two and twenty three he did. I was
Speaker 1: interested to see where the stats landed last year to
Speaker 1: nine fifty seven ninety ops. He won the Silver Slugger
Speaker 1: at second base. He did at age thirty four. Uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is just a little bit of a wildcard, man.
Speaker 1: It's the tidiest left field to play along with Fenway
Speaker 1: Park for mister Duran and mister L. Tuvey.
Speaker 2: Weird.
Speaker 1: I just started talking like that. Yeah, I just I
Speaker 1: a little bit of a hands up situation here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I mean I wasn't mentally prepared to talk
Speaker 2: about L twove and left field until like fifteen minutes
Speaker 2: ago when we found out it was actually happening. It
Speaker 2: makes sense because the Astros outfield it's kind of in
Speaker 2: a really weird spot. I mean that I love the guy,
Speaker 2: but Ben Gamble was the opening day left fielder for them.
Speaker 2: It was a great met last year, but it was
Speaker 2: shocking to see that now Al two bays in leftield.
Speaker 2: I think Dubond's gonna play second, And this is kind
Speaker 2: of a it's a it's a giving respect to the
Speaker 2: kind of thing because I think the second base tier
Speaker 2: list he's going to be near the top. It makes
Speaker 2: sense that he's kind of near the top here because
Speaker 2: I just kind of believe that al Tuove the baseball guy,
Speaker 2: will be able to do this really well. And maybe
Speaker 2: that's that's unfounded because we've literally never seen it, but
Speaker 2: he's just kind of good at everything he does, and
Speaker 2: he's one of the most fun players in baseball to watch.
Speaker 2: Even at the age of thirty five going into this year,
Speaker 2: I still have all the expectation that he'll be a
Speaker 2: plus offensive player and be able to man left field
Speaker 2: because they've stuck out a bunch of guys at that.
Speaker 2: I mean, they stick your down out there for eighty
Speaker 2: one games every year and it seems to go just fine.
Speaker 2: So I don't see why Altuve won't be able to
Speaker 2: do it. It'll be an adjustment period, for sure. I'm
Speaker 2: sure the first month will get some highlights or something,
Speaker 2: and people will be talking about it, and then I'll
Speaker 2: settle in and I'll be Jose Altuve. But I don't
Speaker 2: know if you can put him any higher because he's
Speaker 2: never played the position. And I do think there is
Speaker 2: some conversation of should some guys go over him and
Speaker 2: Santandre potentially who can do both sides of the ball?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and I you know al two, I did.
Speaker 1: He landed at a three point four last year. I
Speaker 1: think he might have got actually ding defensively. He did,
Speaker 1: but I don't expect him. I don't expect him to
Speaker 1: be a plus defensively like I.
Speaker 2: I don't think the either.
Speaker 1: How many guys turn thirty five move to the outfield
Speaker 1: and start to thrive like I. That might be a zero.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't know how to search that.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people know how my body
Speaker 1: is structured to that. You don't see a lot of
Speaker 1: guys built like us that are playing the outfield at
Speaker 1: a very high level, not really at age thirty five.
Speaker 2: I'm saying that you and L two they are built
Speaker 2: the same way.
Speaker 1: In a way, it's built different, and that's kind of
Speaker 1: the whole thing that. Yeah, I guess I was very
Speaker 1: nervous that it was going to be like, Okay, here
Speaker 1: come the Houston comments. How is L two ve not higher?
Speaker 1: I think this is a fair for him to be
Speaker 1: plays with Anthony Santander.
Speaker 2: I think that's why I think this is more than
Speaker 2: or that change.
Speaker 3: On the defensive end hasn't played this in real games yet,
Speaker 3: and offensively, like last year at thirty four, is a
Speaker 3: step down from still MVP level, So I think it's
Speaker 3: I think he's landed in the right place here.
Speaker 1: Does anyone deserve to be with these cats?
Speaker 2: By the name of the tier, no right, which is
Speaker 2: always adjustable. The question I have more so is will
Speaker 2: this tier move down, which we have to talk about
Speaker 2: whoa potentially because there's a lot of guys who had
Speaker 2: good to great years last year who definitely can do
Speaker 2: it on both sides of the ball, some with deeper
Speaker 2: resumes than others, some with injury concerns that I think
Speaker 2: warrant a conversation, and that kind of leads into our
Speaker 2: next tier. Thank you, sir, Can I have another Now?
Speaker 2: I'm viewing this tier as any of the guys that
Speaker 2: land here had a great year at some point recently,
Speaker 2: whether it was twenty twenty four or the year before that, Okay,
Speaker 2: because we see goodyear down here all the time. Sure,
Speaker 2: I think the easiest layup for this conversation is Jerks
Speaker 2: and Profar, who was after a ten year odyssey, former
Speaker 2: top prospect in the game, came to San Diego in
Speaker 2: a one million dollar deal and started the All Star
Speaker 2: Game and was the answer in the outfield for them.
Speaker 2: Had a four more season, twenty four home runs. At
Speaker 2: a basis, he was incredible. He just got a new
Speaker 2: deal with the Braves. I like that fit a lot from.
Speaker 1: Start to finish. He was one of the best outfielders
Speaker 1: in the National League.
Speaker 2: Last year, and we talk about we like switch hitters,
Speaker 2: and like he's another example of that. Profar is interesting
Speaker 2: because how much can you trust it? Age thirty one?
Speaker 2: Breakout season doesn't happen very often, especially after ten years
Speaker 2: in the league where everyone kind of thought they knew
Speaker 2: what you were. So what exactly is json Profar? We're
Speaker 2: gonna find this out in a pretty deep Braves lineup
Speaker 2: where he gets protected. Whether you believe in that or not,
Speaker 2: but he is the textbook definition of profar. Can we
Speaker 2: see it again? Because that was really fun to watch.
Speaker 1: Profar is a weird mental exercise for a lot of reasons.
Speaker 1: I'm as the list currently looks, I'm okay with it
Speaker 1: because in my in my heart of hearts, because this
Speaker 1: isn't supposed to be building a dynasty, Like we're gonna
Speaker 1: get to some of the young studs coming up, like
Speaker 1: James Wood, and if you do, who would you rather
Speaker 1: have on your team? Like, well, yeah, it can mean
Speaker 1: James Wood over Jerickson Profar for the twenty twenty five season.
Speaker 1: As I look at Santander Altuve and Jerkson Profar, I'm
Speaker 1: Santander in Altuve, I like, you know, I Profar was
Speaker 1: better than them last year. But also, if Jerkson Profar
Speaker 1: has like a one war season this year, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna be shocked at all.
Speaker 2: I'd be disappointed, but I'd be like, well, yeah, that
Speaker 2: kind of make sense. That's who he was for ten years.
Speaker 1: And then you'd start crafting up that video so quickly.
Speaker 2: I made a positive Profar videos here.
Speaker 3: I told you, I.
Speaker 2: Sung his praises page looks real. All of it was
Speaker 2: very Realize when AA gives a guy money, yeah, got shit,
Speaker 2: you knows something.
Speaker 1: It's Jerkson Profar was very much. The if he signed
Speaker 1: with team you don't believe in, like, oh, that's gonna
Speaker 1: be ugly signed with the Braves and everyone's like, shoot
Speaker 1: the damn the Rockets.
Speaker 2: Brought him back, Like, let's hear Pirates is what I
Speaker 2: thought for a little bit too.
Speaker 1: If he's good the Pirates, never mind, they should be
Speaker 1: shipped never mind. H yes, thank you, sir. Can I
Speaker 1: have another that's easily Jerkson Profar? Jolly, I'm I don't
Speaker 1: know this list inside out. I think the man with
Speaker 1: the second most homers on this list is Tyler O'Neill,
Speaker 1: who hit thirty one last year in one hundred and
Speaker 1: thirteen games.
Speaker 2: Didn't he like take over in April?
Speaker 1: By the way, got more money than Profar he did
Speaker 1: the Orioles. It was kind of there, like move. They
Speaker 1: brought him in to replace Santander. Essentially, it's a weird
Speaker 1: Baseball Reference has a six war season in the bag.
Speaker 1: What would we have been saying in twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: when Tyler O'Neill, at age twenty six, had six war Uh.
Speaker 1: He's dealt with injuries his whole career. He has two
Speaker 1: goal gloves. One's twenty twenty he counts, that's in his count.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty gloveless is nasty, but it's just nasty. That.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tyler O'Neill might may surprise people. I guess if
Speaker 1: you're a Socks fan and you got to watch his
Speaker 1: games last year, it doesn't but that it was a
Speaker 1: massive season. But I he has more not massive seasons
Speaker 1: under his resume than good ones.
Speaker 2: First of all twenty twenty a gold Glove winner, ikf
Speaker 2: wants your attention.
Speaker 1: Second of all, third baseman, Yes, yep.
Speaker 2: Do you want to expand on that.
Speaker 1: Or a very different position.
Speaker 2: I've heard that conversation many times.
Speaker 1: But the Yankees didn't play him at third base until
Speaker 1: was it late September something?
Speaker 3: He got like four games His goal glove position.
Speaker 2: Tyler O'Neill is interesting because I mean, the one dot
Speaker 2: one two seven ops in April last year was pretty
Speaker 2: Neat nine home runs in the first month, I thought,
Speaker 2: oh shit. Twenty twenty one, O'Neil is back, dealt with
Speaker 2: some injuries, dealt with some ups and downs. And that's
Speaker 2: kind of a little bit of the story with Tyler O'Neil.
Speaker 2: Can you keep him healthy? The Orioles took a pretty
Speaker 2: big bet. You know, hey, we're losing a switch hitter
Speaker 2: who gave us forty four home runs last year. We're
Speaker 2: gonna pay you sixteen point five milli a year to
Speaker 2: replace him in value. And the biggest way he can
Speaker 2: do that is playing a full season, which he has
Speaker 2: only done once in his seven year career, which was
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, and that was one hundred and thirty
Speaker 2: eight games. Yeah, so by some metrics, it's not even
Speaker 2: a whole season. So that's the biggest thing for O'Neil.
Speaker 2: I think if he plays one hundred and fifty games,
Speaker 2: then is the same guy that he is. You're talking
Speaker 2: about a guy that moves up into the second tier
Speaker 2: because he is athletic, he's fast, he can hit you
Speaker 2: thirty home runs. He is that caliber of player. He's
Speaker 2: worth the money if you can just keep him healthy.
Speaker 2: But like profar How, he kind of counted him out
Speaker 2: a little bit because of career resume, the same way
Speaker 2: we're counting out O'Neil because of injury history and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. And each of the guys in this category
Speaker 2: I think is going to have some sort of caveat
Speaker 2: with that. So O'Neill is. He's kind of a head
Speaker 2: scratcher to me, because I really thought twenty twenty one
Speaker 2: was the beginning of an ascension. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: a former top prospect in the Cardinals system, one of
Speaker 2: the outfielders they kept because they let a lot of
Speaker 2: outfielders go to other teams. At at least Garcia and
Speaker 2: Rose Arena, we'll see O'Neal and Baltimore. They're moving the
Speaker 2: wall back in for their pole hitter, kind of like
Speaker 2: that makes playing defense in left field easier too. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of things going his way. Can you just
Speaker 2: say on.
Speaker 1: The field, yeah, I the only the only other caveat which, hey,
Speaker 1: this may be some player player hater ball stuff is
Speaker 1: I'm I don't fully know who he is as a hitter.
Speaker 1: Fenway this again, maybe this could be a jolly alla video.
Speaker 1: I think there's there's a history that, almost like clockwork,
Speaker 1: Boston has a right handed hitter play out of their
Speaker 1: dome almost every year, which Fenway Park obviously twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: If I click on twenty twenty one, let's see who
Speaker 1: comes up. Bolgarchies would just be really good hunter renfro
Speaker 1: Kadi and Martinez, Kevin Plaweki stop, I'm gonna stop. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna stop that. Yeah, I just the exact opposite is Baltimore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm I'm interested to see where that lands. Power
Speaker 1: isn't the problem with him? Go check out the instagram beefy.
Speaker 2: Kind of that's yeah, that's too much beef.
Speaker 1: There's a discussion for another.
Speaker 2: Day, like ball players look a certain way.
Speaker 1: I think his dad was like mister Canada or something.
Speaker 2: Sure, my dad was Hulkkan, So I think they fought
Speaker 2: at some point.
Speaker 1: Jerkson, Profar Tyler O'Neill share the stage. I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 1: throw out a guy that gets me kind of jazz
Speaker 1: that we're looking for another and maybe we're treating this
Speaker 1: guy wrong altogether.
Speaker 2: But Elliott Ramos, Yeah, he's interesting.
Speaker 1: Because he does have the credentials. He was a top
Speaker 1: first round pick, He got his first full season of play,
Speaker 1: he did good. I also, we went to the All
Speaker 1: Star Game last year and guys were hitting. Don't want
Speaker 1: to be old school scout. That sounded different.
Speaker 2: Cracking the bad was just different with Disney.
Speaker 1: It sounded different that I don't know if this guy
Speaker 1: wasn't tucked away in the Bay and we didn't hate
Speaker 1: hate on the Giants for being the Giants the past
Speaker 1: couple of years. Would we be talking about him differently?
Speaker 2: I found something crazy. Uh wow, I've never seen a
Speaker 2: split this large ops against lefties Elliott Ramos one point
Speaker 2: two one ops against righties six fifty six, seven to three.
Speaker 2: That's a near six hundred point difference. I don't love
Speaker 2: it either. I really don't love it. Slipped there's no
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no secret for a month's span. He
Speaker 2: really he took over for the Giants and he really
Speaker 2: got them back. On the conversation at the Wildcard Race
Speaker 2: in June three or four average nine to forty six ops.
Speaker 2: Everything else was kind of okay around that month, which
Speaker 2: you know, you shouldn't discredit one good month as nothing.
Speaker 2: That's really hard to g need month. So what I'm
Speaker 2: saying so with Ramos's he's the biggest wildcard in the
Speaker 2: list for me, to be honest, age twenty five season
Speaker 2: fully broke out at age twenty four, former high draft pick,
Speaker 2: like the Giants were expecting this out of him, but
Speaker 2: a long road to get here. Twenty seventeen draft. I
Speaker 2: like guys that spend a lot of time in the
Speaker 2: minors and like got that seasoning because I do think
Speaker 2: that they just may usually pan out better unless there
Speaker 2: are these generational talents that come up. But twenty one
Speaker 2: or whatever. So Ramos, I would not be surprised if
Speaker 2: he comes out and does it again this year. And
Speaker 2: I think the Giants are expecting that of him. He's
Speaker 2: supposed to be a big part of their lineup. So
Speaker 2: I think I'm okay with the placing. It feels a
Speaker 2: little weird because O'Neill's gotten MVP votes. Profar was MVP
Speaker 2: vo get her last year. Is Ramos quite at their
Speaker 2: caliber yet? I don't know that right, But we could
Speaker 2: revisit this conversation in New Year's time and think, why
Speaker 2: was there any question to not put him in this year?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm on the savant right now. There's there's a
Speaker 1: lot of red, there's a bit of blue. God, this
Speaker 1: feels like a guy that if he played in Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: we'd be like, oh, yeah, excited, what is he gonna
Speaker 1: do this year? And that that feels unfair to a degree.
Speaker 1: Oh actually, I always forget they have that that's available
Speaker 1: on this page. So he hit twenty two homers, last year,
Speaker 1: it said he would have hit nineteen in Kansas City,
Speaker 1: So we don't like that. It said he would have
Speaker 1: hit thirty three in Cincinnati. There you go, How crazy
Speaker 1: is that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, since he said was the highest number, right, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 1: A different ballplayer. But yeah, Giants fans, you often let
Speaker 1: us know. But please, is this guy the truth? Are
Speaker 1: we gonna We're gonna find out this year? Because he's
Speaker 1: roped up, he's kind of his body kind of reminds
Speaker 1: me of a dolely scar see you a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah again, baseball happens fast, both wrong. I think five's
Speaker 1: ways like diesel.
Speaker 3: Muscles heavy, hang on.
Speaker 2: A big boy. He's given me a little sand of all. Hey,
Speaker 2: you care well not send about red soxcent of all Giants.
Speaker 2: I mean that's still not come on, you don't see
Speaker 2: that at all? I say it a little bit comment dumblow.
Speaker 1: He joins the list. Anyone else you would like to
Speaker 1: see another that you think talent wise deserves to be here?
Speaker 1: You're gonna make me say it, Jaz.
Speaker 2: I think Brandon Nemo deserves a conversation in here.
Speaker 1: I'll talk about him.
Speaker 2: Nemo did not a good year last year. I'll be
Speaker 2: the first one to say it very streaky, very up
Speaker 2: and down. Often looked very lost at the plate even
Speaker 2: when the team was going. But we are talking about
Speaker 2: a guy that the prior to years was a five
Speaker 2: War and four War centerfielder. So I do still feel
Speaker 2: like that players in the tank for Brandon Nemo still
Speaker 2: hit twenty homers last year, set a career hind, stolen bases,
Speaker 2: the slug was decent. I think with him it was
Speaker 2: the plate discipline fell off a little bit because a
Speaker 2: lot was asked of him as the cleanup hitter a
Speaker 2: lot last year. And I do think the Juan Soto
Speaker 2: factor does equate into this dynamic of I think he's
Speaker 2: going to lift up everybody in that lineup, and Nimo,
Speaker 2: I think can be a benefactor of that. So in
Speaker 2: the same way that we're putting Ramos in this tier
Speaker 2: despite not having the career resume, I almost want to
Speaker 2: put Nimo in this year because he has the career resume,
Speaker 2: even though he was definitely a lesser player than all
Speaker 2: these guys last year.
Speaker 1: How's his defense? How does it feel? Fan wise?
Speaker 2: It's much better? So he had a great defensive year
Speaker 2: in centerfield in twenty two took a massive step back
Speaker 2: in twenty three, so they moved him, and then last
Speaker 2: year it was league average and everyone knows about Brandon
Speaker 2: Nemo's arm. It's not good. So yeah, there is liability
Speaker 2: when it comes to Nemo as a defender.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, no, I I have no qualms with it.
Speaker 1: I you watched a lot more Nemo than me last year.
Speaker 1: I mean Nemo's Nimo's twenty twenty to twenty twenty three
Speaker 1: is it's a nice butter knife, very impressive, and it
Speaker 1: hit the conversation would deserve to be much higher on
Speaker 1: the list that. Yeah, I can't fully ding him for
Speaker 1: last year. I just think it's Nimo gets interesting because yeah.
Speaker 2: There's him and like a rose arena, they feel like
Speaker 2: a similar conversation.
Speaker 3: That's the next guy.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, like it like our mules, like
Speaker 2: they should be a pair or something.
Speaker 3: Judged similarly based on resume.
Speaker 2: And I want to.
Speaker 1: I think we found our hiccup that I want to
Speaker 1: check boxes that we can check and come back because
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna have to add a tier. I
Speaker 1: think I think, so let's do twenty twenty six s
Speaker 1: tiers because this is going to be the most fun
Speaker 1: is whyat Langford. I can't believe where the stats landed
Speaker 1: last year, massive final month, fourth overall pick in the draft,
Speaker 1: felt like the light bulb went on and I didn't
Speaker 1: think it was a good season, and it was for
Speaker 1: War that we could very easily anything we've said about
Speaker 1: Riley Green could be said about him soon that he
Speaker 1: could be dominating this anything there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he called me off guard. I had
Speaker 2: a conversation with Dalton Pheley a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 2: about this exact list about who we think might be
Speaker 2: at the top. He mentioned Langford. I kind of did
Speaker 2: like a little scoff because I was thinking of his
Speaker 2: first half stats where I stopped checking in on the
Speaker 2: Rangers altogether, and I took a look and I said,
Speaker 2: oh my god, right, so four War, twenty two year
Speaker 2: old dude, that doesn't that doesn't happen very often. So
Speaker 2: with him and a collective Rangers bounce back, we're going
Speaker 2: to get a shot at seeing White Langford in a
Speaker 2: much bigger spotlight in twenty twenty five, which is pretty exciting.
Speaker 2: And it was so funny because the whole story of
Speaker 2: the Rangers postseason run for a while was the kids
Speaker 2: sensation of Evan Carter, who came out, played ten games
Speaker 2: and then was just a dog on their postseason run.
Speaker 2: I think if you ask a Rangers fan, the guy
Speaker 2: they're much more excited about is White Langford now, and
Speaker 2: I think they expect things from both of them. But
Speaker 2: Langford has entered a different conversation in terms of doing
Speaker 2: it over a full season, and I getting people hyped
Speaker 2: up for what's going to be a very interesting sophomore campaign.
Speaker 1: The other guy links to Juan Soto. Oh big James
Speaker 1: Wood Man. He came up, he mauled ops plus nine homers,
Speaker 1: fourteen stolen bases, eight cot stealings, having fun in the Capitol,
Speaker 1: seventy nine games, so half a season. So I think
Speaker 1: the interesting part. Defensively, he graded out very poorly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so what does that look like and feel like for
Speaker 1: a six to seven guy? Do we need to make
Speaker 1: alternate James Wood plans coming up? I think we'll find
Speaker 1: out about that the offensive profile. If big men are
Speaker 1: taking over baseball, god damn it, just one more thing
Speaker 1: for them. James Wood has the potential to be very special.
Speaker 1: His breakout season whenever that comes, could be silly numbers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a as an n only s guy. I'm
Speaker 2: prepping for this potential takeover. There's a couple things that
Speaker 2: stand out to me about James Wood. One is the
Speaker 2: freak athleticism. He's like eighty eightieth percentiles prints eighty fifth,
Speaker 2: so he's six seventies lightning fast. His field hitting numbers
Speaker 2: or nuts, they're even across the board. He was thirty
Speaker 2: two pole, thirty six straight, thirty one OPO. So he's
Speaker 2: a pure hitter. Hit it hard, and he hits it hard,
Speaker 2: and he hits the fastball. At a young age of
Speaker 2: what twenty one, twenty one years old, he was raking
Speaker 2: against fastball. This big thing was hitting the breaking pitch.
Speaker 2: So once he gets over that hump, which I'm sure
Speaker 2: he will because he was a top prospect and they
Speaker 2: expect him to, uh, he's going to be very, very dangerous.
Speaker 2: While he doesn't have that full season catalog that Langford
Speaker 2: put together, these two guys, I would not be shocked
Speaker 2: at all if we come back next year and they're
Speaker 2: the maybe the best two players on this list.
Speaker 1: Does anyone deserve to be with them? I'm trying to
Speaker 1: be honest with myself because I think there's only one.
Speaker 1: Maybe I think it's my guy Domingaz and I I truly,
Speaker 1: I truly don't does he In my head, I think
Speaker 1: there could be a James Wood conversation with Domingez that
Speaker 1: I think that would be fair. I think, whya Langford,
Speaker 1: he's he's shown me a season. Yeah, that that feels
Speaker 1: a little unfair. It feels like it feels like James
Speaker 1: Wood is equidistant. Whyat Langford over here, here's James Wood,
Speaker 1: here's Dominguez. That it's fine to pair him with him.
Speaker 1: It's fine a pair Wood with Domingez. I don't think
Speaker 1: you can. Well, maybe my Yankee showing he gave me your.
Speaker 2: De facto rating there kind of by accident, you were
Speaker 2: honest with me. You gave him a one two three.
Speaker 2: Don't like that at all. Get an old two jazzed up.
Speaker 2: I wish that twenty twenty three sample is more than
Speaker 2: eight games, because he came up and he had lander
Speaker 2: and it was like, oh shit, he's here. So last year.
Speaker 2: What do we all remember about Domingez the most? You
Speaker 2: can't catch a fly ball. That's not great for the
Speaker 2: left field tierless act. And it's just I think sample
Speaker 2: works against them a little bit.
Speaker 3: So you want him and can you play left field?
Speaker 2: There's a conversation for that, can you play left field?
Speaker 2: Derogatory version? I would vote no, but there is three
Speaker 2: of us, so BBD, do you want to be your tiebreaker?
Speaker 2: And then you guys can fend off the comments when
Speaker 2: they go.
Speaker 3: I think for this moment I would put him there
Speaker 3: and be very open to adjusting as we clear out
Speaker 3: this list and see what feels.
Speaker 2: Because he feels more like a pairing with someone like MJ.
Speaker 2: Melendez in my opinion, who has been to put it
Speaker 2: bluntly bad, but people expect to be better. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: guess for different equation.
Speaker 1: For me, that's tough because Melendez, it's.
Speaker 2: How bad did it get?
Speaker 1: Melendez has not been good.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of sample too where Jason de ming is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm leaving doming Is off the board for now.
Speaker 1: Let's check off the bottom of the list. There's a
Speaker 1: cursed picture of Connor Joe and Jason Hayward face mash.
Speaker 1: I think that is bb d's love making. Who are
Speaker 1: who are the a's there?
Speaker 3: That's Seth Brown, Seth Brown and Miguel and do Hard.
Speaker 1: I can't look at that ever again. Set that on fire.
Speaker 1: Ben and Tende's.
Speaker 3: I'd probably left in the tank him just because.
Speaker 1: On another team, like to se him on another team.
Speaker 1: Whatever marlin that is and on the bottom, it's just
Speaker 1: who is that.
Speaker 3: This one? And I totally know this marlin is Kyle
Speaker 3: Stowers Stowers at least it's supposed to be. I've gotten
Speaker 3: tricked by the ESPN p Andez before stars.
Speaker 1: You're down there. Melendez is on the bottom.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I.
Speaker 1: Okay. So I've got my guy Chris Morele. I have
Speaker 1: some belief that also got pretty ugly last year too.
Speaker 2: But he's also like raised machine. They might just fix him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the place.
Speaker 2: I mean he came over to the rais and got worse.
Speaker 2: What's the thing? Strikeout numbers are really bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's leave it for now. Let's do left in
Speaker 1: the tank. I do think Benny I was shocked he
Speaker 1: hit twenty homers last year.
Speaker 3: I think he had like a legit good second half.
Speaker 1: Like if if Benny got traded to the Phillies this offseason,
Speaker 1: how many times did you hear like kind of like
Speaker 1: Benny there, Yeah, slap it around, catch some balls, it's
Speaker 1: gotten ugly, and maybe he doesn't deserve this credit, but
Speaker 1: the White Sox also deserve so much bad credit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, eight thirty ops in the second half, Like he
Speaker 3: put together a good Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, I feel like it's just hard
Speaker 2: to have a good season when you're in that situation
Speaker 2: for anyone, Like, no matter who you are, why don't
Speaker 2: we talk about the guy that did go to the Phillies.
Speaker 2: I feel like Max Kepler kind of fixed fits there too.
Speaker 1: We left in the tank.
Speaker 2: Yeah, replacement level player last year six't eighty two ops.
Speaker 2: The year before one twenty ops plus twenty four homers.
Speaker 2: But ever since the end of the twenty tens, it's
Speaker 2: been kind of a similar story for Kepler, Whereas you know,
Speaker 2: if you put him in this situation in the Phillies lineup,
Speaker 2: where maybe the vibes are a little higher, different environment
Speaker 2: for the first time in ten years, Right, what's left
Speaker 2: in the tank?
Speaker 1: I don't know how many platoon guys do we have here?
Speaker 1: Like when I when I see Hayes kind of Kepler
Speaker 1: land Jones, I don't know, I don't know what to do.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you do with that free looks
Speaker 1: out there to play defense. Morell, who are you? Larnak?
Speaker 3: Don't don't look that.
Speaker 2: Somehow?
Speaker 3: The why why don't doesn't that team work?
Speaker 1: Maybe? Okay, Matt Walter, here's what I'm gonna do. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna add a row below twenty twenty six s tier,
Speaker 1: and I think I'm gonna call it every Twins player ever,
Speaker 1: because Trevor Larnac is every Twins player ever.
Speaker 2: You're putting Kepler there too.
Speaker 1: Kepler is every Twins player ever. Austin Hayes is every
Speaker 1: Twins player ever. Okay, Conford Brendon Donovan, is that who
Speaker 1: that is?
Speaker 3: Yes, he's penciled in for left.
Speaker 1: He's every Twins player every to see the vision a
Speaker 1: little bit like some they kind of hit and you're
Speaker 1: like what was that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like this can't be what the problem is.
Speaker 1: But Nolan Jones sure he had a freak season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's He's a Twin.
Speaker 1: Every Twin player ever, you had a really good year.
Speaker 1: Morel's freaking me out right now.
Speaker 2: He's I think he's bottom for me, sal.
Speaker 1: Freelicks thrown me up. We could put Morel on the bottom.
Speaker 3: He's got to prove it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he hasn't had a position.
Speaker 3: No position. He's left field because they just had to
Speaker 3: put him somewhere, and his offense is basically all just
Speaker 3: hitting homers, which is cool. There's one thing to do.
Speaker 1: I'm still I'm gonna root for Chris Morel, but I'm
Speaker 1: okay with him being in the bottom and he doesn't
Speaker 1: he doesn't give.
Speaker 2: Me Twin vibes all, which is.
Speaker 1: Kind of hurting him right now. Sal freelicks every Twins
Speaker 1: player ever.
Speaker 3: Fine with that. And for the people watching, I know
Speaker 3: you can see and you're done. They're on a future
Speaker 3: DH list. Yeah, they just don't worry about that. They're
Speaker 3: down there.
Speaker 2: Don't even sweat it.
Speaker 1: That. I think Lord is Gariel Confordo, Randy Ward, Nemo.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. I'm trying to genuinely think, like
Speaker 1: who I'd rather have? I guess Nemo and Confordo. I
Speaker 1: don't have strong opinions on yeah right.
Speaker 2: Because I think, thank you, sir, can I have another?
Speaker 2: It really should be the guys that did well last
Speaker 2: year and Nimo he didn't. Okay, so I think it's
Speaker 2: a row, but those five or a tier and it's
Speaker 2: like the twenty twenty one All Star team or.
Speaker 1: Something okay, So a row after that is okay, So
Speaker 1: thank you, sir. Can I have another profile O'Neil and Ramos,
Speaker 1: you guys are great last year. Need to replicate it, right, Ramos,
Speaker 1: you can maybe even be better Mimo Confordo, Guriel and Randy.
Speaker 2: Because they were all in ward, because they were all
Speaker 2: kind of two war players that you know can play
Speaker 2: the position and hit above league average, but like they've
Speaker 2: been better players before and you suspect that they can
Speaker 2: still be that player.
Speaker 1: I mean, Michael Confordo just got seventeen mil from the
Speaker 1: Dodgers to be on that team in play.
Speaker 2: And he's gonna be a platoonitor, which means this numbers
Speaker 2: are probably to go way up.
Speaker 3: Is there like a report card type comment that's like
Speaker 3: like there's more in there, trying to think, trying to
Speaker 3: think what the teachers would tell me, like not achieving.
Speaker 2: This kind of helpful to everyone in the class.
Speaker 1: Underachieving seeks new challenge. Those guys underachieved last.
Speaker 2: Year kind of collectively does it mean to call it
Speaker 2: just underachievers.
Speaker 1: Underachieve but believe.
Speaker 3: Needs improvement, needs work?
Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's good report card Lingo horrible flashbacks right now.
Speaker 1: My god, ooh you like that? Nice?
Speaker 2: But I know you have that in your book.
Speaker 1: Underachieve, but believe.
Speaker 2: And underachievers is too long of awards, so it splits
Speaker 2: into two rows, and I hate that.
Speaker 3: So we can't achievers.
Speaker 2: Believe they achieve, believe they can achieve.
Speaker 3: Want more? But this is fine?
Speaker 2: Oh I kind of like want more, but this is
Speaker 2: fine because it is fine.
Speaker 3: Like if you have this level of production or better
Speaker 3: is kind of where you're like, because the guys below
Speaker 3: could be up in a bad place.
Speaker 2: Besides, ward, all these guys were on winning teams and
Speaker 2: they weren't the best player on their team, but they
Speaker 2: were still contributors.
Speaker 1: Just like amazing six hole hitters. Yeah, do you have
Speaker 1: one of these guys in your The two ideas that
Speaker 1: ran through my head were that or and again, I
Speaker 1: know we've already hammered this, but like would be amazing
Speaker 1: on the reds.
Speaker 2: Oh, can we can we do White Sox best Player?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: White Sox best Player?
Speaker 1: I mean easily, right there, you go, easily.
Speaker 2: White Sox best player.
Speaker 1: Socks best player.
Speaker 2: People might not like that, so mean that's okay, Okay?
Speaker 1: Do we like Benny on a row on his own
Speaker 1: I think maybe just put him in Every Twins player ever.
Speaker 2: That's that's fine with me, even if he doesn't quite fit.
Speaker 1: There's part of me that liked, a part of me
Speaker 1: that didn't. Okay, let's do a run through. See where
Speaker 1: we're at, See where we have to juggle at the top,
Speaker 1: moving stage left your s tier, it is Riley Green
Speaker 1: as Jared Durant ran out of hands, three time consecutive
Speaker 1: Gold Glove winner, Stephen Kwan and Ian Happ. Can you
Speaker 1: play left field? Important for left field? So I might say,
Speaker 1: Santan Darren Altuve, Thank you, sir? Can I have another profar?
Speaker 1: Who's Who's my beefy guy? Tyler Tyler, O'Neill, Elliott Ramos
Speaker 1: named fart there White Sox best Player, Taylor Ward, Randia Rose, Arena,
Speaker 1: Lordis Gariel, Brandon Neimo and Michael Confoicho Queens twenty twenty
Speaker 1: six s Tiers, Langford and Wood. I think that's Canage. Well,
Speaker 1: sometimes I don't feel great about that. Every Twins player
Speaker 1: ever we have Benny Larnak, Kepler, Hayes, Donovan Jones and
Speaker 1: free Ley.
Speaker 2: Twins player ever really are?
Speaker 1: This is maybe the bottom I've got two face mashes
Speaker 1: for your a's and your padres A Marlins player who
Speaker 1: I know an MJ. Melendez and Chris Morel.
Speaker 2: So that leaves Jason Dimgez. Does Jason Dimingez get his
Speaker 2: own tier like right above the bottom?
Speaker 3: What if he's good? Because rather you'd rather take your
Speaker 3: chance on Domingos than all those twins? Right?
Speaker 1: Ask a question? What if Domingas is good?
Speaker 2: Right? What if he's good? What if he's bad?
Speaker 1: What if it's how many good players come out of
Speaker 1: the Dominican Republican, how many get the nickname the Martian?
Speaker 3: What if it's he's in S tier and I finagle
Speaker 3: the graph for it to be like a gap between
Speaker 3: him and.
Speaker 2: Would What if I'm interested in the ear me out?
Speaker 1: I'm interested in the gap.
Speaker 2: A tier below twenty twenty six S tier is twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six B tier and it's Domingos.
Speaker 3: You're so mid twenty twenty seven s.
Speaker 2: T twenty seven.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the answer.
Speaker 2: That's the answer.
Speaker 1: That's the answer. Below twenty twenty six S tier is
Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven S tier with Jason Demingez.
Speaker 2: Because I think he needs time. It's not gonna happen
Speaker 2: in his first full season.
Speaker 1: Things I feel uncomfortable with, okay, but I don't think
Speaker 1: there's changes. Sex said for some reason, I think Max
Speaker 1: Kepler is gonna be really good. I think Philly is
Speaker 1: that ballpark.
Speaker 2: I see the best player in the White Sox.
Speaker 1: Where did his numbers land?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: Because unfortunately he's.
Speaker 2: A replacement level player is one point oh.
Speaker 3: War better verse left. He's in righties, which is weird.
Speaker 2: I hate that.
Speaker 1: I'm good on that. He's a twin Jack, He's got
Speaker 1: he's every Twins player ever. Okay, I just it's this
Speaker 1: is just instinct. I think he's going to be good.
Speaker 3: Do I get head shot just on there?
Speaker 1: In there, I don't think I think Chris Morel is
Speaker 1: good at baseball that I think this could end up
Speaker 1: looking weird. But I don't even know if he's a
Speaker 1: left fielder, So I feel okay.
Speaker 2: With that everywhere.
Speaker 1: If South Freelich hits at an average level, he's gonna
Speaker 1: fly up this list next year. Otherwise I'm okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm okay to Benny, I feel a
Speaker 2: little funny about but I don't think you can put
Speaker 2: him any higher. I mean, we could put him in
Speaker 2: White Sox best player because he is their best pay.
Speaker 1: Any if anything, I think Benny's supposed to go down.
Speaker 1: He's done pretty bad. I think I think we gave
Speaker 1: him the benefit of knowing his name pretty good.
Speaker 3: Good last two months and he'pe.
Speaker 1: Traded somewhere, Get traded somewhere.
Speaker 3: Repeat that in the first half and you can get
Speaker 3: flipped to somewhere. Fun.
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