WEBVTT - GAVIN DEGRAW: "Face The River" 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:09.160 It is June, my friends, summer is upon us. It's 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:11.920 a month of sunshine, of lemonade, of Kick the Can. 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:15.840 Do kids still play Kick the Can? I don't think so. 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:18.959 Most of them are playing on video games. It's a 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:23.120 month of roses and rhododendrons. It's the month of lawnmowers 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:27.080 still humming at nine PM, or people mowing their lawns 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:30.800 at eight am on the weekend. It's the smell of 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:36.200 barbecue wafting through the neighborhoods across our country. And it's 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:40.800 the month that we celebrate fathers. Just was we dedicated 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:44.000 May to the work of motherhood. Let's spend the month 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:48.760 of June showering dads and all those that filled dad roles, 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:54.600 granddads and stepdads and godfathers and and those people that 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:59.800 filled the role of father. Let's celebrate them with heartfelt appreciation. 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:03.960 My podcast is one place will be sharing the love. 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:07.679 My radio program is another, and I'll be looking for 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:12.080 good dad based content from my social media pages too. 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:17.480 Today's guest uses his writing talents, putting into words and 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:21.639 then into songs the type of emotions that are only 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:25.600 felt when one loves on a deep and profound level. 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:30.360 His latest album, Face the River, was born out of 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:33.560 love for his father, who was nearing the end of 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:39.480 his life. It's real and raw and powerful and a 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:44.679 beautiful testament to exactly what kind of impact the love 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:49.800 of a father has on his children. Multi Platinum singer 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:54.560 and songwriter Gavin degra joins US today, will be talking 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:58.360 about his seventh full length album, Face the River, which 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:02.560 was released in May. It's fusion of rock, pop, soul, 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:06.360 and funk. Will be talking about his parents, who inspired 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:09.800 much of its material. And I'm sure we'll take some 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:14.079 detours too, like I'm prone to do. Before we get 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.519 into all that, I'm going to share a little bit 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:20.640 about a podcast sponsor that I'm so grateful to for 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:26.080 their support on this platform. 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Science backed solutions to that 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:09.480 constant feeling of being stressed and overwhelmed are provided, and 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:13.919 proven strategies and self help methods are shared to equip 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:19.720 you to reclaim your energies and live fierce. Reclaim your 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:24.799 power and your optimism today for a better tomorrow. Find 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:30.760 Live Fierce episodes wherever you listen to your podcast. Hello, 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:34.680 I'm nice to meet you, Hi, Gavin, I'm Delilah, nice 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:38.600 to meet you. Hey. The first time I listened to 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:40.680 Face the River, I'm glad my sister sent it to me. 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:44.240 Uh And I was home in my bedroom because I 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:48.480 was in the pillow, standing there facing that river. I 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:56.080 couldn't cross. Wow. That's heavy. It's beautiful, heavy, but beautiful. Wow. 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.520 Thank you. So I was told that when you were 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:00.600 writing this album, you knew that you were going to 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:04.000 lose your dad. I was pretty sure, you know, I 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:07.240 was hoping for a miracle, but you know, the miracle 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:09.840 never came with my mother, so I was less uh 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:12.720 less sure that a miracle would come from my dad, 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:17.240 you know. And he kept asking me to hear the 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:20.960 record that I was working on and I just knew 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.080 I had this thing had to be finished. I had 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:26.760 to finish this thing. I had to play it for him. Um. 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:30.400 And he had heard three songs when he was hospitalized. 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:33.880 At one point I had gotten ahold of three songs 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:36.200 to play for him and we had a good cry 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:38.920 in the hospital and that he was very moved and 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:42.320 he said, Uh, I wish your mother could heard this. 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:45.719 And I said to him, I said, she wrote the record. 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.520 That you know, she wrote the record And he said 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:51.680 she did, She did write the record. And when he 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:55.359 came home, Um, it was home for weeks and weeks, 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:59.080 and uh, the album was finally completed, you know, mixed, mastered, 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:03.920 I said him. I said, hey, records done. You want 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:07.479 to hear it? It's like yeah, yeah, yeah, played for me, 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:12.840 played for me. So we sat there playing the album. 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:15.599 We got through the end of the record. My brother 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:17.840 and I hopped in the car to go for a 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:23.040 drive out to Kentucky and uh we got a half 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:26.000 hour and the phone rang and there was a big 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.320 medical emergency and my dad had to be taken to 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:32.839 the hospital and uh put on heavy, heavy paint killers. 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:36.000 And that was the last That was the last real 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:39.040 cognizant time we got to have with him, you know, 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:42.200 because the next day and a half was basically that 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:47.400 you know, that slow boat out. So I, I, without exaggeration, 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.560 had the opportunity to play him the album and its 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:54.120 entirety a half hour before. I wouldn't have been able 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:57.159 to do that, and so that it may not seem 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.680 like a big deal to people who weren't in my shoes, 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:03.960 but me, it provided some semblance of closure with my 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:08.679 dad that we got to share that experience together because 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.400 he'd been asking me for the music for so long, 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:15.720 and and I was a race against time to play 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.279 it for him, and I got to complete it rather 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:22.120 than rather than me finishing after losing him, you know, 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:26.039 that would have been even more devastating. I would venture 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:27.960 to say that that was one of the things he 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:33.119 was hanging on for. Maybe maybe you're right, Yeah, maybe 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.680 you're right. I don't know. I'll find out when I 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.880 see him again. You know everything I've read, your folks 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:42.920 were your were your cheerleaders, were always in your corner, 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:47.960 big time, big time. Even more than that, I mean 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:52.599 they were they were the coaching staff, you know that 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:55.840 was the head coach and that's what they were. They 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:59.960 were they were they were the head coach together and mama, 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:06.440 anivational team, my tactical squad, you name it. And they 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:09.000 were the encouragement. You know, there wasn't money to fall 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:12.280 back on there. It was only the gold and silver 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:17.000 of that household was them encouraging me and encouraging they 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:20.320 encourage their kids. You know. They they they were dreamers 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:25.320 and they weren't living their dreams for their careers and 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:29.360 their passions. But they wanted us to, Um, they wanted 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:32.520 us to have the opportunity to do that. And it 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:40.080 was constant, constant motivation, constant inspiration and challenge and you know, 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:44.560 don't take no foreign answer kind of thing, um unless 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:48.000 they know came from that of course. But you know, 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:50.720 so so so, I've read a little bit of their 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:54.679 love story. Can you share just a tiny bit because 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.520 it's so sweet, it's so tender. I mean, this is 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:00.400 a kind of story I share on the radio every night, 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:04.680 that their love stories one of those those classic love stories. 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:07.520 It's a beautiful love story. Yeah, I mean they were 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:12.040 high school sweethearts. I mean to the point where high 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:15.120 school sweethearts, at the point where remember in high school. 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:18.160 I was. I was after school. I was walking down 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:21.160 the hallway. I was grabbing some things from my locker 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:25.160 late after school. My father can't pick me up, and 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.400 he said, come down here. I said where it should 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:30.720 come down here? Come down here? And I walked down 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:33.880 the hallway and he said, you see this water fountain 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:37.679 right here. I said yeah. He said, the first time 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.400 I ever saw your mother. She's getting to sit out 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:43.480 of this water fountain right here. So they were high 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:46.280 school sweethearts, and you know, I went to the problem together. 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:50.679 They went to Woodstock together, and as my father told it, 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:53.360 he went to Woodstock with his draft papers in his 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.960 back pocket for Vietnam because he had to go to 0:08:57.240 --> 0:09:03.480 uh Texas for basic after the weekend and fortunately was 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:07.640 not sent into combat, was sent to Germany instead. And 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.160 then he got sent home to take care of my 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:13.440 granddad because my granddad had other issues from the War 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:15.959 two combat. There's a lot of people who have been 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:21.320 in military and my family so um. But anyway, he 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:23.959 came home. She had already gone off to college and 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:28.720 got married, and then when she came back, she saw 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:32.320 my dad land pavement on the road doing black you know, 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:36.800 black top work and uh, psalm said hello and went 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:39.400 home and got divorced, and uh then they got married. 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:44.680 You know, it's just a long, complex but beautiful, real 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:48.559 life love story. You know, I saw him and realize 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:51.800 she had taken a wrong turn and missed out on 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:55.559 her true love. That's it. Yeah, that's right, that's right. 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:59.480 And uh, you know they got back together and that 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:04.760 that was they're married for, you know, forty seven years 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.959 before my mom passed. I think it was did your 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:10.600 dad know when he saw her at the drinking fountain? Like, 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:12.920 was it love at first sight? Did he say, I 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.840 knew she was going to be my girl. He's probably like, 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:23.600 she's taking a really long time. I'm thirsty kidding. Uh, 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:25.880 I don't know. I didn't ask him that specifically, but 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:27.880 he didn't remember the first time he saw her. And 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.600 he used to play, uh, playing bands, you know, as 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.360 a young man, I always thought he was the greatest singer. 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.040 Um she played music as well, but he was out 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:38.640 playing music for a living, and uh, he said, you know, 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.600 I was real shy, and he said, where my baseball 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:43.920 cap over top of my face like this? Because I 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:47.680 had states right. Sometimes i'd peek up and see people 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:50.280 and girls will be going like this, trying to look 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:55.840 underneath the brim of my hat he's singing. He said, Uh, 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:59.400 sometimes there are real pretty girls out there. But if 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:01.560 I ever pick my head up and I saw your mom, 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:04.880 it was like there was nobody in the room but her, 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:07.240 And I said, how nice is this? Is a nice 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:09.760 stories here? You know when you're when you're a kid, 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:13.400 it's like a fairy tailed kind of kind of affection, 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:17.040 which is nice. But we're from an area in upstate 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:21.360 New York, in the Catskill Mountains that if you've ever 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:23.520 seen the movie Dirty Dancing, I'm sure you have, right 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:27.240 many times. I saw it when it first came out. 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:31.000 I saw it with my kids, and I don't let 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:34.640 my kids watch the remake. They gotta watch the real thing. Yeah, 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:37.440 the real thing, right, I agree. So the place i'm 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:42.520 I'm from. The area I'm from is the area that 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:46.400 the film Dirty Dancing is based off of. So in 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:49.520 the Catskill Mountains in New York State, which is you know, 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:51.800 we were about an hour and forty minutes out, forty 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:55.280 five minutes and from Manhattan. That's where a lot of 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:59.040 people would go to vacation in the summertimes to escape 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:02.440 the New York City right, particularly in like the forties 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.680 and fifties and sixties, So that was the big industry 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:10.400 up there was entertainment and uh you know, resort living, 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:13.679 golf courses and stuff like that, and it was a 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:16.800 real reflection of U of the time. You know. I 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:20.040 guess air conditioning wasn't as popular yet, and air travel 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:22.840 wasn't as easy. It wasn't as easy to be the 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.920 heat back then. It was only a short drive. So 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:29.400 all the big entertainers would come up there and perform 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:34.240 at those hotels. Jerry Lewis, Dean Martin. Uh I have 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:38.160 pictures of my my great grandfather who was actually just 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:40.520 like there to dance, and he was a dance instructor 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:43.520 at a resort hotel and he made his kids teach 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:45.679 the guests to teach him how to dance, teach him 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.440 how to mambo and all that stuff. And he was 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:53.920 an MC at a hotel called the Laurels. And uh, 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:56.440 I got these great old photos of my great granddad 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:59.960 with Sam Cook and That'll Fitzgerald and all these great 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.200 stars of the of the time, you know. But the 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:09.880 hotel industry um for whatever reason, political or just the 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:13.440 changing of the times, the hotel industry died off in 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:18.080 the cat Skills, and with that the economy tapered off, 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.760 and then the state built prisons in the area. So 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:24.520 I grew up in the prison town era of the 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:28.319 dirty dancing area, right. And then my dad, who was 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:31.600 a musician playing at those hotels as a kid, became 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:34.079 a prison guard as a you know, as a motive 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:38.640 survival in the area, picking up odd jobs and stuff 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:42.160 along the way on his days off, building houses and 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:46.440 cleaning chimneys and and momon lawns and stuff like that. 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:50.360 And my mother was a nurse who was putting in 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.640 you know, tons of o t and she decided she 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:56.000 needed to get her masters w hoping to make more money. 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:59.560 She joined the Army reserves. She's commuting an hour each 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.840 way for work. She's going to school full time, work 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:07.640 full time doing the army thing. And it was just 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:12.240 really heavy to watch them working so so much and 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.719 not complaining to us about it. And they just they 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.640 had their you know, their head to the grindstone and 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:22.200 there they were just trying to make our lives, our 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:25.720 lives better. And we were a big time Churchill hallics, 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:29.080 you know, I say, we we went to church at 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:32.760 least once a week twice when God didn't listen, you know, 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:36.760 so he goes Sunday. If nothing changed on Monday, go 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:42.520 back on Wednesday. And that's it. That's it. Gotta be 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:46.400 there on Wednesday for youth group. That's it. That's it. 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:54.160 I wanna and all that stuff. I think that all 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:57.320 the good things that happened ultimately were a direct result 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:02.440 of my mother's prayers and that tenacity and that belief 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:06.440 in us and that constant, that constant motivation. You can 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.080 do it, and you just need to commit more than 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:13.680 everybody else. Um. And that's uh. And that's really that's 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:18.160 really it. You know how proud they must be. You know. 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:22.760 I I got syndicated out of upstate New York, Rochester. 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:29.480 That's where my syndication started about six months after. Yeah, 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:33.560 I loved Rochester. I love the frozen custard and upstate 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:37.560 New York. No place else in the world has frozen custard. 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.960 That's the thing. It's true, right, Why is it? I 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:43.720 don't understand. I don't know. I don't know what it is. 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:46.000 The cows make better milk, I don't know what it is. 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:51.120 But I used to drive the catskills every week, uh 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:54.040 for almost a year, except when it was snowing so 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:58.560 hard I couldn't um. But my mom passed in September, 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.840 And like you, my mom was my biggest cheerleader. Like 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.880 when she passed, I found a notebook filled with every 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:08.760 magazine article, newspaper article that I had ever sent her, 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:13.040 you know, pictures of me at a at a used 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:19.160 car shop doing a remote. And she passed in September, 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:25.120 and then my syndication started the following February, and I 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:28.240 was so sad, and I was I was telling my 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:30.600 best friend, I said, gosh, you know, Mom, leave to 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:33.280 me so much, and and I just I wish she 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:36.040 could see that I'm finally you know, I'm finally making 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:39.000 that happen. My dreams are finally coming true. And Janey said, 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:41.800 what do you mean you wish you could see? She goes, 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:44.520 why the hell do you think this happened. This happened 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:48.800 because she's with the Lord nagging him. God, please give 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:53.600 my daughter a break. She can't get fired again. And 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:57.920 I said, you're right, that's right, you're right, that's right. Yeah, 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.560 she went, that's right. She went from being a member 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:05.800 of the band to the conductor. Yeah, yeah, she she 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:10.520 had his undivided attention. Now she's orchestrating. That's right. Now, 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:14.520 she's orchestrating. That's right. That that's the beauty of it. 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:18.840 And uh and and also you know, just all of 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:23.040 the things that were we're happening, We're already that we're 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.640 going to happen. We're already set in motion due to 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:29.399 her participation in your life and her her dedication in 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:32.600 your life and lessons that you know, she'd already instilled 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:36.800 into you. And almost as if people go and they 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:40.840 feel like you're ready for it. I just feel like, however, 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:43.280 that may have happened for you, even though you think 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:47.040 you may have thought, you know, initially, I wish she 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:50.320 could have seen it. She knew what was happening. He 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:53.760 was already in motion. The pieces were just all coming together. 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:58.040 That's the beauty of it. So your your siblings, how 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:02.000 many kids did your folks raise in the skills? There 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:06.160 are three of us. There were three of us, and 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:08.880 and my sister, she lives in Nashville. We all moved 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:12.400 to Nashville together, and we all all of us other 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:14.840 than my sister and her kids. It was my sister 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:16.520 and my brother and I said, there were three of us, 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:23.520 and my sister moved into a house south of Nashville, 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:26.439 just south of Nashville, but the rest of us, my 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:29.320 brother and I and my parents, we all had apartments 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.439 on the same floor in the same building in downtown. 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:36.119 So we're like a condo tribe once we relocated, you know, 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:38.359 because we wanted to be around each other when I 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:39.680 was off the road. I want to be able to 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:41.520 see them without having to hop in the car and 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:45.200 go visit. And so it was a really great way 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:50.399 to be able to participate in normal life when you know, 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:54.000 when I wasn't being a musician. 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No, there were there 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:30.680 were a couple of Because can you imagine that being 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:34.880 the people in the other apartments, Like I can imagine 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:37.240 if I was a person in the other apartment, I 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:39.199 would be like, I would just go over to buy 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:40.840 a cup of sugar every day so I could be 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:44.919 a part of your family. I'd want to be in 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:47.879 on the laughter and the music and the fun. I'd 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:50.760 want to be a part of that. Well that Dolly 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:54.520 Parton had an apartment down the hall, and and ironically 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:59.440 I never I never saw her one. I'm not um. 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:01.760 I would have loved if Dolly would have came over 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:05.160 and said hey, and no had coffee with Yeah. If I, 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:07.919 if I had an apartment there, Gavin, I would be knocking. 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:09.760 I wouldn't be knocking at your door and be knocking 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:12.280 on your mama's door, because she would be the one 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:17.440 with the stories. She would be the one with the stories. Oh. Absolutely. 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:19.520 And it's funny that you say that because my mother 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:24.119 was the living encyclopedia of the family, you know, every 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:28.159 single memory. Every time we couldn't recall an exact story, 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:31.439 it would always be, hey, mom, what was the section? Sucker, 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:36.800 that's my sister. I'm the storyteller, and I don't I 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:38.960 don't like it when facts get in the way, you know, 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:42.480 I just like making up stories. And Deanna is like, no, 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:44.680 that's not the way it happened, that's not the year 0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:48.320 it happened, that's not the person that was there. Like, gosh, 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:51.680 she sure can ruin a good story with the facts. 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:54.800 You can't bring her around the campfire when you're telling 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:59.919 the tall tales. Yeah, and the older I get, the 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:02.639 holler they get because I truly don't remember. It's not 0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:04.960 like I'm trying to make stuff up. I just don't remember. 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:09.320 Like I have an impression of the memory. Like I 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:11.919 used to write a lot of poems. I used to 0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:14.320 whenever I was in love or whenever I was not 0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:16.760 in love, I would write a poem. Now that'd be 0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:19.879 really good because they're all kind of all those experiences 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:25.560 are kind of meshed into one, you know. Yes, yes, 0:22:26.280 --> 0:22:31.080 one great story, one great story. So your tour, if 0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:33.719 folks want to come and see you, You're you're performing 0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:39.520 again this spring and summer. Yeah, just go to Gavin. Yeah, 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:42.960 just Gavindie Grow. So you know, if they're interested, come 0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:46.160 on out. Hopefully they'll like what they what they see 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:50.320 here experience, they will. Can I just say I got 0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:55.639 a sneak preview before you released Across the River your record. 0:22:55.640 --> 0:23:00.359 Folks got it to me. They are going to love. Wow, 0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:03.760 thank you love this album. Thank you. I appreciate that. 0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:05.560 I mean, you know, I just wanted to do my 0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:09.280 best to uh, you know, make a real life record. 0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:12.000 That's all I wanted to I wanted to make a 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:17.800 real life record, a zero bullshit record, and I was 0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:19.920 permitted to do that. I was giving a very long 0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:25.240 leash and worked with the the producer of My Dreams 0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:27.840 on the record, and he let me write it alone, 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:30.479 which is what I wanted because my first few records 0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:33.760 I wrote alone, and I had a lot to say, 0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:37.720 and I think the world went through a lot. I 0:23:37.760 --> 0:23:40.919 went through a lot with it, and I didn't wanna 0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:44.800 pretending like nothing happened. I wanted to acknowledge that ship 0:23:44.840 --> 0:23:49.160 went down and document it, make it rhyme, be honest 0:23:49.440 --> 0:23:54.879 and and give people um at least my perspective of things, 0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:58.760 and uh, hopefully they like it. Well. I love it. 0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:04.760 I love it. That's nice. Thank you. You know. My 0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:08.240 father just he had a way of keeping it simple 0:24:08.280 --> 0:24:11.320 and effective. And you know, I asked him one day 0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:13.359 after my mom passed. I said, Dad, do you have 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:17.879 any advice for me? And all he said was enjoy 0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:22.639 your life. I said, that's it. He said, yep, just 0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:26.439 enjoy your life. And you're gonna usee that enjoyment on 0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:29.520 other people anyway. You know, you're gonna they're gonna feel that, 0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:32.359 and he also told me one other lesson I always 0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:36.040 stuck with me, which was run to the line. And 0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:38.359 I said, what, what what do you mean? He said, 0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:41.200 don't waste your energy trying to get away from something 0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:46.680 that's that you're fearful of. Whatever it is that you're 0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:50.920 worried about. You attack it. That's what you need to do. 0:24:52.320 --> 0:24:54.760 You're not going to get away from it. And I 0:24:54.800 --> 0:24:58.399