WEBVTT - We Invented Ghosting with Sarah Wynter… 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:04.880 Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:11.480 you a Charlotte the first face you see in the 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:15.400 pilot of Sex and the City Sarah Winters. Here you guys, 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:16.440 it's so exciting. 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:21.160 I'm so excited to be here. It's it's it's I'm thrilled. 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:23.400 I'm so so happy you were my first guest. 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:26.720 Well, it's very fitting. Yes, I was the first. 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:30.360 I know, and you're so adorable. I watched it last night. 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:32.560 Oh my god, you in the back of that cab 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:33.360 with your Louis. 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:36.760 And the hat and the gloves in a cab. 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:40.920 Okay, it was a very interesting group of things. You 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:45.800 look incredible and I really was so like pulled into 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:48.879 your storyline. And then I'm like, what happened to her? 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:51.560 Where did she go? And what happened? We should have 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:55.760 had you like continue line and make sure you were okay. Yes, 0:00:56.240 --> 0:01:01.120 it's not too late the check she'd run into you 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:01.640 on the street. 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:03.360 But she's doing so well. 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:07.320 Now tell you well, maybe she runs a company, maybe 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:10.920 she has a CEO. But yeah, it ended in such 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:13.039 a it was. This was the best meet cute I 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:15.959 think any show I've ever seen. I'm not saying that 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:18.600 just because I was the cutie. No you didn't, and 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:20.679 I was pretty darnk cute you really years. 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:22.760 Ago and you still are, come on, you still are. 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:24.679 But I thank you. 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:25.280 I left. 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:27.759 You know, she's a journalist and she's got ye Louis 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:31.520 m I was so impressed, and we shot I think 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:34.399 it was the Brooklyn Bridge and I remember Susan Seidelman 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:38.039 was in the taxi crouched on the floor while we're actually. 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:38.760 Moving, remember that. 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:42.200 And uh, it was my first job. It was like 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:45.479 my first I think it got me into the union. Yeah, 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:48.640 I had no idea, No, how did you get the job? 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:52.560 So I auditioned and it's so funny. Remember this was like, 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:56.720 you know, the mid to late nineties, right ninety seven, 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:58.880 it was. I was very excited to audition for a show, 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:02.240 but it was people. And the dreams was to get 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:05.280 on a network show, right like HBO. 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:07.960 Was not when it became not by a long show. 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:11.760 Now Sarah Jessica Park had already mean Car, so I thought, well, 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:13.800 it can't be that bad, right, and maybe I'll get 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:16.080 a network show after this. Now I would kill to 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:17.440 be on an HBO show. 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:23.400 But yes, yes, but that yeah, I. 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:26.680 Auditioned, and I was very excited to meet Susan Sidelman 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:29.680 because she had directed desperately and Susan so she had 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:31.760 done him a Donna movie and it was all very 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:35.120 razzle dazzle, and I remember in the audition she said, now, 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:38.120 how do you feel there might be a nude scene? 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:45.120 And I was like, oh, like yeah, yeah, whatever. 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:47.360 She said, there's going to be like a bathtub. 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:48.959 You'll be covered, but you know, there might be a 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:51.840 little bathtub. I think we ran out of time. They 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:53.519 had were going to do a scene in a bathtub. 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:55.680 We ended up like just you know, having this like 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:57.960 very it was very tasteful. It was like in Cellowet. 0:02:57.960 --> 0:02:59.120 It was really just my top half. 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:05.320 And again thirty years ago, I look pretty good, incredible, incredible, 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:08.720 but I remember it's so weird. I don't remember a 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:10.840 lot in my life. I don't remember what my last 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:14.280 job was, but I remember so much about this pilot. 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:18.600 Tell me the read through, the table read okay. 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:19.800 Yes, tell me, tell me, so we do it because 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:20.520 I don't remember the. 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:22.320 Read I remember the read through. 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:26.560 I remember seeing you and I didn't even know really 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:28.640 who had been cast, Like no one's keeping me up 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.000 to date, Like, so I knew Sarah Jessica Parker was 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:33.000 going to be and I knew Darren Starr. 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:36.640 Because of Melury Hill. And when I saw you, I 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:38.600 was like, oh my god, that's Brook from Laura's place. 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:40.200 Oh my god, she's so gorgeous. 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:41.960 Be cool, be cool, be cool, be cool, be cool, 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:42.480 be cool. 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:44.680 Be cool. That is definitely how I was sitting, like like, 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:46.720 be cool, try to be cool, and I was very unstick. 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:49.720 You stood up when he walked in the room, and you, 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:52.480 you and Darren hugged, and I thought, oh, yes, of 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:54.960 course they know each other because of because she was 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:58.400 Brook and Sarah Jessica was And I remember we started 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:02.160 reading and Sarah was cross out anything that said Carrie 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:06.119 walks in with a sexy, gorgeous hot and it wasn't 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:09.080 It was not a disrespectful to the writer kind of 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:11.320 thing that she kept crossing it out like people were laughing, 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:17.279 but she was just like And I remember the person 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.440 that they had cast to play the boyfriend was not 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.039 the person that wound up getting the job on set. 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:25.120 I was surprised when I got on set. 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:30.840 They had cast Christopher Lawford, who was John Kennedy Junior's cousin. Yes, 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:34.120 he was at the read through, and I remember thinking, yes, 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:39.080 I remember thinking that's perfect to have like this Kennedy, Yes, Kennedy. 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:41.880 Yes, I understood Kennedy. What the heck? Yes? And he 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:42.880 had been an actor. 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:44.000 What happened? 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:44.719 What happened? 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:48.800 I want to know, did he become unavailable? 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:49.800 Maybe he did? 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:53.720 Did something happen maybe yes? Because none of us knew. 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:56.279 He didn't know what this show was, I mean, and 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:59.479 I remember Kim at the end of the read through 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.400 went teen more and I was like, what is. 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:04.720 That even mean? Like what is thirteen? 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:07.840 And I realized contract TV and TV yeah, and that's 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:09.840 a contract, you know, and that's and I was. 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:11.440 Like, yeah, thirteen more. 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:15.719 And even though I knew my character ended and I 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:23.240 wasn't gonna you know, but uh yeah, And I wound 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:27.039 up kind of being the first person to have sex 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:27.680 on sex. 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:28.359 In the city, I know. 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.039 And this this is what I remember of that, right. 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:34.080 So when we so we we did this show. Obviously, 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:36.240 we were all very excited and I really really desperately 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:39.720 wanted my part, but we were nervous because do you 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:42.440 remember the show dream On that had been on HBO 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:45.600 and like every week some girl would just for some 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:48.200 reason take her dive off, like just randomly kind of 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:50.920 like we were like, is this what we're supposed to do? 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:53.600 Like please know? Like even though we were scared, right, 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.560 we didn't really know. As I was telling everyone before too, 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:59.680 we didn't know how people would respond to kind of 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.440 the very upfront way that we were talking about sexuality 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:04.839 because at that point it hadn't really been done on 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:08.080 TA right, yeah, and cable was a weird thing, Like 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:10.799 it was all very unknown, and so I remember being 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:14.120 really nervous, and we didn't have clauses in our contract 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:15.640 at that point that we had to be new or 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:17.919 that we did whatever we because we were all panicked, 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:20.279 like we don't work, scared, right. And the day that 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:21.680 you had to do that news scene, I was in 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:24.840 the hair and makeup trailer getting ready for whatever, like 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.440 talking on the phone or something boring, and they came in. 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:29.440 One of the makeup artists came running. 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:32.520 Like, we need cups of ice for Sarah Winter. Go, 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:39.680 oh my god, right, I for my nipples? Like I 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:40.760 who knew that that. 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:41.360 Was the thing. 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:42.640 I did not know either. 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:47.000 I was trying to be so cool you did, and collected. 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:48.680 You did, but they needed ice. 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:50.279 I know, we were really impressed. 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:52.560 We were panicked. But also maybe that's why they look 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:56.000 so good. They look fantastic ice. I know it worked, 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:58.000 it worked of ice, it worked us. 0:06:58.120 --> 0:06:59.760 But all of this said, and then they ran back 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:01.839 ot with like, what is going on? 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:04.800 Oh my gosh, it's like a thing. 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:05.960 Yeah, it's like. 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:10.920 No one's ever offered me I since and no one 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:13.160 offers me I. You know, I don't do those kinds 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:16.480 of scenes anymore. But yeah, you did it well. Well 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:18.800 you really see like you were fine. 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:20.680 You know I was. 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.600 I think Susan, you know, having a female director obviously 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:26.480 was really helpful. And I didn't realize at that point, 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:29.600 this being my first like TV experience, that that's quite rare. 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:34.000 That was rare, certainly definitely, you know, in nineteen ninety seven, 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:38.360 I think it was, and uh, yeah it was. 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:39.559 It was wild. 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:41.400 I remember you came into the makeup trailer once and 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:44.880 we had no scenes together, and they cut your hair 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:47.480 like you had like it was like a lob and 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:49.120 you and you came into the makeup rool and you're like, 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:51.560 well it's sporty. 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:56.000 Kind of sporty. 0:07:56.840 --> 0:08:00.800 I hated so good, but I could tell you it 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:02.800 was like not they made me do it? 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:04.920 Yeah, and it was so like did she need to 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:06.520 have like a bob? 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:07.280 I know. 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:11.000 It all worked out, I mean, but the pilot was 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:14.800 so very different to the how it all looked. I 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:17.240 mean it was dark, so dark, you all talked to 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:21.760 the camera all it was nothing about fashion. 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:23.080 In fact, I had all the fashion. 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:24.920 I didn't have Pat yet I had. 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.480 You didn't have Pat, right, but you had I had 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:28.800 some I had. 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:34.600 Remember they put me in my first pair of Manolo blonde. 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:39.800 And another funny thing I remember is there's a brief 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:41.559 scene with a real estate agent. 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:44.040 In the yeah, walking to Do you know who she was? Yes? 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:50.120 I do. She was married to Rudy Giuliani at the time. 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:50.400 I know. 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:51.800 It was weird, right, it was. 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:53.240 We had security onset. 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:57.960 We later did a play and she was like, do 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:01.400 you remember when I came on the pilot? Yeah, yeah, 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:02.960 that was herzar. 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:05.240 It was bizarre, right, Yeah it was. And I knew 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:05.640 she was. 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:08.240 I lived in New York and she was actually co 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.000 host of a like good Morning New York one of 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:14.520 those yeah and wow, and. 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:18.280 Yeah that was like trippy, trippy, very trippy. 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:19.040 Yeah. 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:21.520 And so let me ask you, how, so you have good, 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:23.840 good memories of the pilot. Do you have memories of 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:25.880 because we waited a long time for the show to 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:27.280 be picked up, do you remember that. 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:30.840 I remembered like, oh, maybe it's not gonna happen. You know, 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:33.119 I had at that point done. 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:35.720 Like a movie. I had moved to Los Angeles. 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:39.120 And then I heard it, Actually, it's they've made it's 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:44.719 it's becoming a series. You haven't been cut, Yeah, I 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:48.080 haven't been cut. Yes, it would have been a lot 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:49.800 cutting a lot of scenes and even though it was short, 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.240 like we shop for a week, you know. 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:55.280 There were a lot of little pieces. Yeah, and that 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:58.520 was the thing. The really we we filmed crazy hours. 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:00.480 I don't know if you remember this, Ye the pilot, 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:03.400 Ye hours. And everyone would be like why. It's because 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:06.679 all those little scenes had to be connected by the 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:10.560 voiceover later, not so much in the pilot, but to 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:13.120 make it to tell a story. We were trying to 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.800 tell a story through tiny little scenes. That's hard to 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:17.319 shoot right because you have to go to the different 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:20.920 locations and set up. But that's what's so great about 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:23.920 your part of the thing, but also frustrating because we 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:25.000 don't continue with you. 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:29.440 It's so sad, I know, and I think, you know, 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:30.600 when I was reminded like. 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:32.360 Hey, you're the first person to have sex and sixty c. 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:33.160 I'm like, yes, I was. 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:36.280 I was also the first person to be ghosted before 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:37.760 ghosting was. 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.040 I know, we didn't have the name, right, we didn't 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:40.840 have a name. 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.520 But we've all you know, we know what it is. 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:46.960 And it was so kind of sad. And over the years, 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:50.760 you know, through I mean, the show went for such 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.520 a long time. It's such an incredible part of you know, culture, 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.840 then the movies and now you know what you're doing 0:10:56.880 --> 0:11:01.760 now and just like that it you know, I've wondered, 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.839 like you know, and there's been such triumph. But the women, 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:07.920 you know, it's such like we're not beaten down by 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:10.200 these women that it doesn't end our lives. 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:11.000 You know, you move on. 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:14.280 I'm like, but I feel like my character had all 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:17.559 her you know triumphs off camera. 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:23.880 Yes, she found love, she found a great guy. Thank god, thank. 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:25.559 God, thank God helps me not one of the guys 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:27.080 in the pilot, because they're all. 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.960 They're all horrible people, and they're out there with how 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:30.720 horrible they are. 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:34.880 Then pretending totally, which I guess is something like people 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:35.920 to be said for. 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:37.120 That's something to be said. 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.240 For just putting out how what a rotten human being 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:43.200 you are instead of pretending like you're you know, because 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:44.520 that I come into. 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:46.560 That, Well, that's what's annoying about your guy is that 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.840 he's all like kind of glamorous prince churning and then 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:53.000 he's just like gone, so frustrating, And it's funny that 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:55.400 we didn't have the term ghosting. And then I mean, 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:58.480 in my little notes, they they want me to say 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:00.800 if I've ever been ghosted or have I ever ghosted anyone? 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.600 Which I think is a hysterical question. And my manager 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:06.560 was like Christen's date was like Christin never been ghosted? No, 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:08.760 I did have to think back a long time ago 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:10.360 I was ghosted, though it was I don't know. I 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:12.880 don't know exactly. I mean, it's hard to define ghosting exactly. 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:15.120 I do think it was when there were cell phones, 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:18.200 because obviously now ghosting is more a text thing, right, 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:20.480 and back then it was cell phones were neat. But 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:24.960 I did one time date this at work actor. I 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:28.319 think this was before Sex and the City, maybe between 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:30.199 Melrose and Sex and City or maybe when I was 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:33.520 on Melrose. I don't know. He's now very successful. He 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.320 was very talented, but at the time I had money 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:38.480 because I'd been working, and I was at his house 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:41.480 and he had all of these like you're like, Tristy's 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:43.240 going to be turned off, like all those notices that 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:45.600 you get when, like, you know, you can't pay your bills. 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:48.280 They were all just all over his house, right, And 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:51.480 I was like, uh, you know what's happening. And then 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:54.200 I think he wrecked his motorcycle, which is like how 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:56.640 he got around town to his auditions. And I was like, 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:58.800 you know, can I lend you some money? 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:01.120 Horrible kiss of death? 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:05.120 Right, yes, so, and anyone listening, do not lend any 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:10.079 money that you are dating, Okay, do not do it. No, 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:13.520 you never get the money back right there. And it 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:17.400 really irked me. So then I lent him money. You know. 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:20.440 It changed the dynamic in a horrible way. And it 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:22.280 was a kind of a casual thing, right, So I 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:25.319 probably should have known better, you know what I'm saying, 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.720 But I just thought, like I can help I should 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:31.400 help this guy. He's so talented, which he is, lend 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:33.079 him money. I think it was all of five thousand 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:34.920 dollars a lot of money. Well, thank you, thank you 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:37.360 very nice. Yes, So I lent him this money and 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:39.480 then you know, he stopped stopped calling, and I'm like, 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.800 what the heck. So I remember going over to his apartment, 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.679 like banging on the door, and his dog was in there, 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:47.560 and I loved his dog and I could hear his dog, 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:49.719 but I was like, is he in there? And pretending 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:52.840 that he is not in there Jordan's saying, and I 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:55.559 was like And then later on he did call me. 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:57.120 He's like, did you come to my house and bang 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:01.120 on my door? And I was like, well, yes, yeah, yeah. 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:06.000 He was like I know right. I felt so embarrassed, 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.000 like being messy, Like I was like messy. But then 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:11.320 I was like, well you remember how the money, No 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:11.800 I haven't. 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:13.920 You had every right to know. I want to see that. 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:15.760 That's like a movie, that's a show. 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:17.680 So this is a successful actor. 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:21.440 Well I think what let's add up? Like what with interest? 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:22.680 With interest? 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:28.160 I ever, I just would love some acknowledgment arrivor, which 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:30.680 is like kind of a fantasy or whatnot. But you know, 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:33.320 it is funny, but that was the best story. 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:35.840 Store again, would let's. 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.080 Store a country, and he's married with some children, so 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:39.200 I don't think I want to show up. 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:40.720 He probably doesn't the dog anymore. 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:42.720 No, I think he has numerous animals. 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:44.920 All right, Well, you know, you live and learn, but 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:45.800 you do you do. 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:49.080 I can't say that's the last time that I did well. 0:14:49.360 --> 0:15:03.200 I think the next time was the last time. What 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:04.360 about you ghosting? 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:08.160 Well, I let's see, I don't think. I don't think 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:09.360 I could ever go someone. 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:09.600 You know. 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:12.240 I can't picture you, and I didn't really date as 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:14.479 a young person. I was always in relationships. 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.440 I've been married and I have kids now and I'm divorced, 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:20.880 so I'm dating like now, which is very weird. 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:24.360 I like to think it's a bit more grown up. 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:26.680 If I meet someone or we go on a date 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:28.880 or two and I don't feel something, I just say, like, 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.160 it's lovely to meet you. 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:32.320 You're a great guy. 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:34.120 I don't feel a connection, but I wish you all 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:37.120 the best, you know, and that's sort of my thing. 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:37.680 That's good. 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:41.080 I don't think I've been ghosted in the traditional sense. 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:45.040 I would never go thank you, and I can take it, 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:47.040 you know. I mean, if someone says you know, I 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:48.480 think you're great, but I you know, you have young 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:50.600 kids or you have you know, you live on the 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:54.440 other side of the country. I'm like, thank you for 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:54.800 telling me. 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:56.040 That's good luck. 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:58.280 You know what I want to be as grown ups? 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:00.320 Right? Evil? 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:04.040 No, I agree, I agree, but it is I think 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:07.840 it is such a good and interesting thing to talk 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:11.320 about because I do think that young people are often 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:14.840 going through this, you know, men and women, right, And 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:16.600 I think it's such a hard thing because you're just 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:18.040 left there wondering. 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:20.520 Like with the three dots, right, like are they awful? 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:21.240 Awful? 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:23.960 Are they going to awful? Just say it right, like 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:24.960 how bad can it be? 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:27.360 Totally? But now we do have social media so you 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:29.840 can go try to, you know, investigate what's happening, right, 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:30.520 but which. 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:32.600 Is then it's a way of yours And I had 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:35.640 to take I took Instagram off my phone a couple 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:37.640 of years ago, and it was one of the best 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:38.680 things I ever did. 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:40.840 Have it on my iPad, But I keep my iPad 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:41.960 in my bedroom. 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:44.360 Smart limit that realize how much. 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.320 Time I was spending looking at things that made me 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:49.280 feel like like why. 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:49.760 Am I doing this? 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.000 My Instagram feed is all dogs? 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:54.360 Well that's the way to go. Yeah, I know you. 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.280 Yeah, yes, and the puppies. I want to see the 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:00.560 puppies get adopted. It's really nice, you know what I mean. 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:04.160 And also I'm using it for good right right, because there. 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:06.560 Are there are such positive things, you know, on there, 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:09.200 but there's also such toxic things and you know, you 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:10.480 got to protect the kids from. 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:13.840 That and the grown ass women who are good good 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:17.439 point the point from feeling yeah, like crap, but no, 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:18.439 that's not worth it. 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:20.159 Yeah, nothing's worth it. 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:22.479 You're writing now, I'm writing. 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:27.080 Yes, I'm developing a limited series with my writing partner, 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:30.679 and who knows where it will land. You know, I 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.120 would like if anyone's out there listening and they want 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:37.760 to read an incredible chow for women that's basically a 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:41.440 delicious revenge tale of beautiful people doing bad things. 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:45.280 Wow, hit me up. Yeah. So I'm excited about that. 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:47.600 And I wrote an article that got published Infanity Fair, 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:49.560 which I was really proud of, Yeah, because I've never 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:52.679 written anything before and yeah, that was I was really. 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:53.040 Proud of that. 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:54.120 So it's amazing. 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:55.920 And it produced a movie sort of based on. 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.960 That topic with Amanda Seifried, and yeah, I just but 0:17:59.000 --> 0:17:59.760