Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte the first face you see in the
Speaker 1: pilot of Sex and the City Sarah Winters. Here you guys,
Speaker 1: it's so exciting.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to be here. It's it's it's I'm thrilled.
Speaker 1: I'm so so happy you were my first guest.
Speaker 3: Well, it's very fitting. Yes, I was the first.
Speaker 1: I know, and you're so adorable. I watched it last night.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you in the back of that cab
Speaker 1: with your Louis.
Speaker 3: And the hat and the gloves in a cab.
Speaker 1: Okay, it was a very interesting group of things. You
Speaker 1: look incredible and I really was so like pulled into
Speaker 1: your storyline. And then I'm like, what happened to her?
Speaker 1: Where did she go? And what happened? We should have
Speaker 1: had you like continue line and make sure you were okay. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's not too late the check she'd run into you
Speaker 1: on the street.
Speaker 3: But she's doing so well.
Speaker 2: Now tell you well, maybe she runs a company, maybe
Speaker 2: she has a CEO. But yeah, it ended in such
Speaker 2: a it was. This was the best meet cute I
Speaker 2: think any show I've ever seen. I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: just because I was the cutie. No you didn't, and
Speaker 2: I was pretty darnk cute you really years.
Speaker 1: Ago and you still are, come on, you still are.
Speaker 3: But I thank you.
Speaker 1: I left.
Speaker 2: You know, she's a journalist and she's got ye Louis
Speaker 2: m I was so impressed, and we shot I think
Speaker 2: it was the Brooklyn Bridge and I remember Susan Seidelman
Speaker 2: was in the taxi crouched on the floor while we're actually.
Speaker 3: Moving, remember that.
Speaker 2: And uh, it was my first job. It was like
Speaker 2: my first I think it got me into the union. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I had no idea, No, how did you get the job?
Speaker 2: So I auditioned and it's so funny. Remember this was like,
Speaker 2: you know, the mid to late nineties, right ninety seven,
Speaker 2: it was. I was very excited to audition for a show,
Speaker 2: but it was people. And the dreams was to get
Speaker 2: on a network show, right like HBO.
Speaker 3: Was not when it became not by a long show.
Speaker 2: Now Sarah Jessica Park had already mean Car, so I thought, well,
Speaker 2: it can't be that bad, right, and maybe I'll get
Speaker 2: a network show after this. Now I would kill to
Speaker 2: be on an HBO show.
Speaker 3: But yes, yes, but that yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Auditioned, and I was very excited to meet Susan Sidelman
Speaker 2: because she had directed desperately and Susan so she had
Speaker 2: done him a Donna movie and it was all very
Speaker 2: razzle dazzle, and I remember in the audition she said, now,
Speaker 2: how do you feel there might be a nude scene?
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, like yeah, yeah, whatever.
Speaker 3: She said, there's going to be like a bathtub.
Speaker 2: You'll be covered, but you know, there might be a
Speaker 2: little bathtub. I think we ran out of time. They
Speaker 2: had were going to do a scene in a bathtub.
Speaker 3: We ended up like just you know, having this like
Speaker 3: very it was very tasteful. It was like in Cellowet.
Speaker 3: It was really just my top half.
Speaker 2: And again thirty years ago, I look pretty good, incredible, incredible,
Speaker 2: but I remember it's so weird. I don't remember a
Speaker 2: lot in my life. I don't remember what my last
Speaker 2: job was, but I remember so much about this pilot.
Speaker 2: Tell me the read through, the table read okay.
Speaker 1: Yes, tell me, tell me, so we do it because
Speaker 1: I don't remember the.
Speaker 3: Read I remember the read through.
Speaker 2: I remember seeing you and I didn't even know really
Speaker 2: who had been cast, Like no one's keeping me up
Speaker 2: to date, Like, so I knew Sarah Jessica Parker was
Speaker 2: going to be and I knew Darren Starr.
Speaker 3: Because of Melury Hill. And when I saw you, I
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, that's Brook from Laura's place.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, she's so gorgeous.
Speaker 3: Be cool, be cool, be cool, be cool, be cool,
Speaker 3: be cool.
Speaker 1: Be cool. That is definitely how I was sitting, like like,
Speaker 1: be cool, try to be cool, and I was very unstick.
Speaker 2: You stood up when he walked in the room, and you,
Speaker 2: you and Darren hugged, and I thought, oh, yes, of
Speaker 2: course they know each other because of because she was
Speaker 2: Brook and Sarah Jessica was And I remember we started
Speaker 2: reading and Sarah was cross out anything that said Carrie
Speaker 2: walks in with a sexy, gorgeous hot and it wasn't
Speaker 2: It was not a disrespectful to the writer kind of
Speaker 2: thing that she kept crossing it out like people were laughing,
Speaker 2: but she was just like And I remember the person
Speaker 2: that they had cast to play the boyfriend was not
Speaker 2: the person that wound up getting the job on set.
Speaker 3: I was surprised when I got on set.
Speaker 2: They had cast Christopher Lawford, who was John Kennedy Junior's cousin. Yes,
Speaker 2: he was at the read through, and I remember thinking, yes,
Speaker 2: I remember thinking that's perfect to have like this Kennedy, Yes, Kennedy.
Speaker 3: Yes, I understood Kennedy. What the heck? Yes? And he
Speaker 3: had been an actor.
Speaker 1: What happened?
Speaker 3: What happened?
Speaker 2: I want to know, did he become unavailable?
Speaker 1: Maybe he did?
Speaker 3: Did something happen maybe yes? Because none of us knew.
Speaker 2: He didn't know what this show was, I mean, and
Speaker 2: I remember Kim at the end of the read through
Speaker 2: went teen more and I was like, what is.
Speaker 1: That even mean? Like what is thirteen?
Speaker 2: And I realized contract TV and TV yeah, and that's
Speaker 2: a contract, you know, and that's and I was.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, thirteen more.
Speaker 2: And even though I knew my character ended and I
Speaker 2: wasn't gonna you know, but uh yeah, And I wound
Speaker 2: up kind of being the first person to have sex
Speaker 2: on sex.
Speaker 3: In the city, I know.
Speaker 1: And this this is what I remember of that, right.
Speaker 1: So when we so we we did this show. Obviously,
Speaker 1: we were all very excited and I really really desperately
Speaker 1: wanted my part, but we were nervous because do you
Speaker 1: remember the show dream On that had been on HBO
Speaker 1: and like every week some girl would just for some
Speaker 1: reason take her dive off, like just randomly kind of
Speaker 1: like we were like, is this what we're supposed to do?
Speaker 1: Like please know? Like even though we were scared, right,
Speaker 1: we didn't really know. As I was telling everyone before too,
Speaker 1: we didn't know how people would respond to kind of
Speaker 1: the very upfront way that we were talking about sexuality
Speaker 1: because at that point it hadn't really been done on
Speaker 1: TA right, yeah, and cable was a weird thing, Like
Speaker 1: it was all very unknown, and so I remember being
Speaker 1: really nervous, and we didn't have clauses in our contract
Speaker 1: at that point that we had to be new or
Speaker 1: that we did whatever we because we were all panicked,
Speaker 1: like we don't work, scared, right. And the day that
Speaker 1: you had to do that news scene, I was in
Speaker 1: the hair and makeup trailer getting ready for whatever, like
Speaker 1: talking on the phone or something boring, and they came in.
Speaker 1: One of the makeup artists came running.
Speaker 4: Like, we need cups of ice for Sarah Winter. Go,
Speaker 4: oh my god, right, I for my nipples? Like I
Speaker 4: who knew that that.
Speaker 3: Was the thing.
Speaker 1: I did not know either.
Speaker 3: I was trying to be so cool you did, and collected.
Speaker 3: You did, but they needed ice.
Speaker 1: I know, we were really impressed.
Speaker 3: We were panicked. But also maybe that's why they look
Speaker 3: so good. They look fantastic ice. I know it worked,
Speaker 3: it worked of ice, it worked us.
Speaker 1: But all of this said, and then they ran back
Speaker 1: ot with like, what is going on?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, it's like a thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 2: No one's ever offered me I since and no one
Speaker 2: offers me I. You know, I don't do those kinds
Speaker 2: of scenes anymore. But yeah, you did it well. Well
Speaker 2: you really see like you were fine.
Speaker 3: You know I was.
Speaker 2: I think Susan, you know, having a female director obviously
Speaker 2: was really helpful. And I didn't realize at that point,
Speaker 2: this being my first like TV experience, that that's quite rare.
Speaker 2: That was rare, certainly definitely, you know, in nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 2: I think it was, and uh, yeah it was.
Speaker 3: It was wild.
Speaker 2: I remember you came into the makeup trailer once and
Speaker 2: we had no scenes together, and they cut your hair
Speaker 2: like you had like it was like a lob and
Speaker 2: you and you came into the makeup rool and you're like,
Speaker 2: well it's sporty.
Speaker 1: Kind of sporty.
Speaker 2: I hated so good, but I could tell you it
Speaker 2: was like not they made me do it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was so like did she need to
Speaker 3: have like a bob?
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: It all worked out, I mean, but the pilot was
Speaker 2: so very different to the how it all looked. I
Speaker 2: mean it was dark, so dark, you all talked to
Speaker 2: the camera all it was nothing about fashion.
Speaker 3: In fact, I had all the fashion.
Speaker 1: I didn't have Pat yet I had.
Speaker 3: You didn't have Pat, right, but you had I had
Speaker 3: some I had.
Speaker 2: Remember they put me in my first pair of Manolo blonde.
Speaker 2: And another funny thing I remember is there's a brief
Speaker 2: scene with a real estate agent.
Speaker 1: In the yeah, walking to Do you know who she was? Yes?
Speaker 3: I do. She was married to Rudy Giuliani at the time.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: It was weird, right, it was.
Speaker 3: We had security onset.
Speaker 1: We later did a play and she was like, do
Speaker 1: you remember when I came on the pilot? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was herzar.
Speaker 3: It was bizarre, right, Yeah it was. And I knew
Speaker 3: she was.
Speaker 2: I lived in New York and she was actually co
Speaker 2: host of a like good Morning New York one of
Speaker 2: those yeah and wow, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah that was like trippy, trippy, very trippy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so let me ask you, how, so you have good,
Speaker 1: good memories of the pilot. Do you have memories of
Speaker 1: because we waited a long time for the show to
Speaker 1: be picked up, do you remember that.
Speaker 2: I remembered like, oh, maybe it's not gonna happen. You know,
Speaker 2: I had at that point done.
Speaker 3: Like a movie. I had moved to Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: And then I heard it, Actually, it's they've made it's
Speaker 2: it's becoming a series. You haven't been cut, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: haven't been cut. Yes, it would have been a lot
Speaker 2: cutting a lot of scenes and even though it was short,
Speaker 2: like we shop for a week, you know.
Speaker 1: There were a lot of little pieces. Yeah, and that
Speaker 1: was the thing. The really we we filmed crazy hours.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this, Ye the pilot,
Speaker 1: Ye hours. And everyone would be like why. It's because
Speaker 1: all those little scenes had to be connected by the
Speaker 1: voiceover later, not so much in the pilot, but to
Speaker 1: make it to tell a story. We were trying to
Speaker 1: tell a story through tiny little scenes. That's hard to
Speaker 1: shoot right because you have to go to the different
Speaker 1: locations and set up. But that's what's so great about
Speaker 1: your part of the thing, but also frustrating because we
Speaker 1: don't continue with you.
Speaker 2: It's so sad, I know, and I think, you know,
Speaker 2: when I was reminded like.
Speaker 3: Hey, you're the first person to have sex and sixty c.
Speaker 3: I'm like, yes, I was.
Speaker 2: I was also the first person to be ghosted before
Speaker 2: ghosting was.
Speaker 1: I know, we didn't have the name, right, we didn't
Speaker 1: have a name.
Speaker 2: But we've all you know, we know what it is.
Speaker 2: And it was so kind of sad. And over the years,
Speaker 2: you know, through I mean, the show went for such
Speaker 2: a long time. It's such an incredible part of you know, culture,
Speaker 2: then the movies and now you know what you're doing
Speaker 2: now and just like that it you know, I've wondered,
Speaker 2: like you know, and there's been such triumph. But the women,
Speaker 2: you know, it's such like we're not beaten down by
Speaker 2: these women that it doesn't end our lives.
Speaker 3: You know, you move on.
Speaker 2: I'm like, but I feel like my character had all
Speaker 2: her you know triumphs off camera.
Speaker 3: Yes, she found love, she found a great guy. Thank god, thank.
Speaker 1: God, thank God helps me not one of the guys
Speaker 1: in the pilot, because they're all.
Speaker 2: They're all horrible people, and they're out there with how
Speaker 2: horrible they are.
Speaker 3: Then pretending totally, which I guess is something like people
Speaker 3: to be said for.
Speaker 1: That's something to be said.
Speaker 2: For just putting out how what a rotten human being
Speaker 2: you are instead of pretending like you're you know, because
Speaker 2: that I come into.
Speaker 1: That, Well, that's what's annoying about your guy is that
Speaker 1: he's all like kind of glamorous prince churning and then
Speaker 1: he's just like gone, so frustrating, And it's funny that
Speaker 1: we didn't have the term ghosting. And then I mean,
Speaker 1: in my little notes, they they want me to say
Speaker 1: if I've ever been ghosted or have I ever ghosted anyone?
Speaker 1: Which I think is a hysterical question. And my manager
Speaker 1: was like Christen's date was like Christin never been ghosted? No,
Speaker 1: I did have to think back a long time ago
Speaker 1: I was ghosted, though it was I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly. I mean, it's hard to define ghosting exactly.
Speaker 1: I do think it was when there were cell phones,
Speaker 1: because obviously now ghosting is more a text thing, right,
Speaker 1: and back then it was cell phones were neat. But
Speaker 1: I did one time date this at work actor. I
Speaker 1: think this was before Sex and the City, maybe between
Speaker 1: Melrose and Sex and City or maybe when I was
Speaker 1: on Melrose. I don't know. He's now very successful. He
Speaker 1: was very talented, but at the time I had money
Speaker 1: because I'd been working, and I was at his house
Speaker 1: and he had all of these like you're like, Tristy's
Speaker 1: going to be turned off, like all those notices that
Speaker 1: you get when, like, you know, you can't pay your bills.
Speaker 1: They were all just all over his house, right, And
Speaker 1: I was like, uh, you know what's happening. And then
Speaker 1: I think he wrecked his motorcycle, which is like how
Speaker 1: he got around town to his auditions. And I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, can I lend you some money?
Speaker 3: Horrible kiss of death?
Speaker 1: Right, yes, so, and anyone listening, do not lend any
Speaker 1: money that you are dating, Okay, do not do it. No,
Speaker 1: you never get the money back right there. And it
Speaker 1: really irked me. So then I lent him money. You know.
Speaker 1: It changed the dynamic in a horrible way. And it
Speaker 1: was a kind of a casual thing, right, So I
Speaker 1: probably should have known better, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: But I just thought, like I can help I should
Speaker 1: help this guy. He's so talented, which he is, lend
Speaker 1: him money. I think it was all of five thousand
Speaker 1: dollars a lot of money. Well, thank you, thank you
Speaker 1: very nice. Yes, So I lent him this money and
Speaker 1: then you know, he stopped stopped calling, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the heck. So I remember going over to his apartment,
Speaker 1: like banging on the door, and his dog was in there,
Speaker 1: and I loved his dog and I could hear his dog,
Speaker 1: but I was like, is he in there? And pretending
Speaker 1: that he is not in there Jordan's saying, and I
Speaker 1: was like And then later on he did call me.
Speaker 1: He's like, did you come to my house and bang
Speaker 1: on my door? And I was like, well, yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: He was like I know right. I felt so embarrassed,
Speaker 1: like being messy, Like I was like messy. But then
Speaker 1: I was like, well you remember how the money, No
Speaker 1: I haven't.
Speaker 3: You had every right to know. I want to see that.
Speaker 3: That's like a movie, that's a show.
Speaker 1: So this is a successful actor.
Speaker 3: Well I think what let's add up? Like what with interest?
Speaker 3: With interest?
Speaker 1: I ever, I just would love some acknowledgment arrivor, which
Speaker 1: is like kind of a fantasy or whatnot. But you know,
Speaker 1: it is funny, but that was the best story.
Speaker 3: Store again, would let's.
Speaker 1: Store a country, and he's married with some children, so
Speaker 1: I don't think I want to show up.
Speaker 3: He probably doesn't the dog anymore.
Speaker 1: No, I think he has numerous animals.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, you know, you live and learn, but
Speaker 3: you do you do.
Speaker 1: I can't say that's the last time that I did well.
Speaker 1: I think the next time was the last time. What
Speaker 1: about you ghosting?
Speaker 3: Well, I let's see, I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 3: I could ever go someone.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I can't picture you, and I didn't really date as
Speaker 3: a young person. I was always in relationships.
Speaker 2: I've been married and I have kids now and I'm divorced,
Speaker 2: so I'm dating like now, which is very weird.
Speaker 3: I like to think it's a bit more grown up.
Speaker 2: If I meet someone or we go on a date
Speaker 2: or two and I don't feel something, I just say, like,
Speaker 2: it's lovely to meet you.
Speaker 3: You're a great guy.
Speaker 2: I don't feel a connection, but I wish you all
Speaker 2: the best, you know, and that's sort of my thing.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've been ghosted in the traditional sense.
Speaker 2: I would never go thank you, and I can take it,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, if someone says you know, I
Speaker 2: think you're great, but I you know, you have young
Speaker 2: kids or you have you know, you live on the
Speaker 2: other side of the country. I'm like, thank you for
Speaker 2: telling me.
Speaker 3: That's good luck.
Speaker 1: You know what I want to be as grown ups?
Speaker 3: Right? Evil?
Speaker 1: No, I agree, I agree, but it is I think
Speaker 1: it is such a good and interesting thing to talk
Speaker 1: about because I do think that young people are often
Speaker 1: going through this, you know, men and women, right, And
Speaker 1: I think it's such a hard thing because you're just
Speaker 1: left there wondering.
Speaker 3: Like with the three dots, right, like are they awful?
Speaker 1: Awful?
Speaker 3: Are they going to awful? Just say it right, like
Speaker 3: how bad can it be?
Speaker 1: Totally? But now we do have social media so you
Speaker 1: can go try to, you know, investigate what's happening, right,
Speaker 1: but which.
Speaker 2: Is then it's a way of yours And I had
Speaker 2: to take I took Instagram off my phone a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago, and it was one of the best
Speaker 2: things I ever did.
Speaker 3: Have it on my iPad, But I keep my iPad
Speaker 3: in my bedroom.
Speaker 1: Smart limit that realize how much.
Speaker 2: Time I was spending looking at things that made me
Speaker 2: feel like like why.
Speaker 3: Am I doing this?
Speaker 1: My Instagram feed is all dogs?
Speaker 3: Well that's the way to go. Yeah, I know you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, and the puppies. I want to see the
Speaker 1: puppies get adopted. It's really nice, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And also I'm using it for good right right, because there.
Speaker 1: Are there are such positive things, you know, on there,
Speaker 1: but there's also such toxic things and you know, you
Speaker 1: got to protect the kids from.
Speaker 2: That and the grown ass women who are good good
Speaker 2: point the point from feeling yeah, like crap, but no,
Speaker 2: that's not worth it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, nothing's worth it.
Speaker 1: You're writing now, I'm writing.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm developing a limited series with my writing partner,
Speaker 2: and who knows where it will land. You know, I
Speaker 2: would like if anyone's out there listening and they want
Speaker 2: to read an incredible chow for women that's basically a
Speaker 2: delicious revenge tale of beautiful people doing bad things.
Speaker 3: Wow, hit me up. Yeah. So I'm excited about that.
Speaker 2: And I wrote an article that got published Infanity Fair,
Speaker 2: which I was really proud of, Yeah, because I've never
Speaker 2: written anything before and yeah, that was I was really.
Speaker 3: Proud of that.
Speaker 1: So it's amazing.
Speaker 3: And it produced a movie sort of based on.
Speaker 2: That topic with Amanda Seifried, and yeah, I just but
Speaker 2: I miss acting.
Speaker 3: I do. I do miss acting, Yeah, I want to.
Speaker 2: I miss telling stories from that perspective, you know, writing
Speaker 2: writing my own stories is fun, but and I'd like
Speaker 2: to continue to do that. But I do want to
Speaker 2: get back in front of the camera and and you know,
Speaker 2: not not in a leading role, not in a you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not in that part of my career anymore, but
Speaker 2: just you know, pop in here and.
Speaker 3: There, you know, Yeah, I would love I'd love to
Speaker 3: do more of that.
Speaker 1: It's so interesting because like, for the longest time, I
Speaker 1: didn't really miss acting. I didn't go that long without acting,
Speaker 1: but like sometimes I was like, you know, when I
Speaker 1: was young, I needed I needed to be acting in
Speaker 1: some form, right, like on camera, in theater, whatever it was.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it was having kids, and
Speaker 1: that kind of takes on a whole creative side of
Speaker 1: you in a different way, yes, like an emotional side,
Speaker 1: but like I didn't need it as much. But then
Speaker 1: the funny thing is when we did go back to
Speaker 1: do and just like that, because we're with Michael p
Speaker 1: and you know everybody, you know, we've been together so long,
Speaker 1: I had all this pent up emotion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't really realize.
Speaker 1: Wow, it was interesting. Interesting.
Speaker 3: Then you had an outlet I did.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, this right, why we love it?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: It is that great?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we you know, when you step away, you know,
Speaker 2: you become a parent, you are fulfilled in other ways
Speaker 2: and you and you don't.
Speaker 3: Crave that creative like.
Speaker 2: Also, it's like a family being on set, and if
Speaker 2: you have a family at home, you know, it's different,
Speaker 2: it's a different you know, things shift. But yeah, stepping
Speaker 2: back into it having stepped away is so sweet.
Speaker 1: It is it is. It's fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also you've had Charlotte in your life for
Speaker 2: so long now and to be able to watch you,
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine like playing the.
Speaker 3: Role, and you play her so beautifully with such a heart.
Speaker 3: You uh, you're.
Speaker 2: You've given us hope, like Charlotte has always had hope.
Speaker 3: The eternal optimist, so true. And I feel like.
Speaker 2: She got knocked down, she got back up, and she
Speaker 2: believed she would meet her husband, she believed she would
Speaker 2: have her children.
Speaker 3: It didn't look the way she thought.
Speaker 2: You know, I think you know, for people, for myself
Speaker 2: that watch it, it's really that sense of hope that
Speaker 2: was so beautiful and poignant to watch and to see
Speaker 2: you have loss and pain and get back up and
Speaker 2: was really, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Think, ask you, yeah, are you a Charlotte?
Speaker 3: Am I a Charlotte?
Speaker 2: I'm going to say yes, But it has changed for me.
Speaker 2: I think back in the day, you know, when we
Speaker 2: first met Charlotte, I felt like I was a Charlotte
Speaker 2: because I kind of modeled myself along being a bit
Speaker 2: of a rule follower, having a protocol with dating and
Speaker 2: men and being a lady and that was always very
Speaker 2: important to me, and being buttoned up, having boundaries.
Speaker 3: And I think now.
Speaker 2: I'm as Charlotte in the way that you know, we've
Speaker 2: got to know Charlotte in what I just sort of
Speaker 2: referenced her eternal optimism and not losing hope. And also
Speaker 2: something really important that you portrayed and your storyline, at
Speaker 2: least for me, was that happiness doesn't have to be
Speaker 2: what you think it's going to look like. You know,
Speaker 2: we imagine it's going to be a certain guy, you know,
Speaker 2: or you're gonna have kids a certain way in that
Speaker 2: and you check off all those and what was amazing,
Speaker 2: And I've had this in my own life and sometimes
Speaker 2: the guy is right in front of you.
Speaker 3: You know, you don't realize it's going.
Speaker 2: You know, someone you look at this abstract idea of
Speaker 2: like a Wall Street guy or you know, a tray,
Speaker 2: you know, having biological truth. You know, you got your Harry,
Speaker 2: you got your Baby's doesn't look the way, you know,
Speaker 2: And I think that is a really nice thing to
Speaker 2: remember that sometimes they'll happen in a way that's unexpected.
Speaker 2: To stay open hearted, you know, And I think that's
Speaker 2: what I want to maintain as the Charlotte in me,
Speaker 2: like not losing hope.
Speaker 3: I'm going to get that role. I'm going to make
Speaker 3: that guy.
Speaker 2: It's all gonna work out, and it does, you know
Speaker 2: it all you know in life, you know, of course
Speaker 2: ups and downs, and you know you can have many
Speaker 2: happy endings and happy you know episodes, you know, chapters
Speaker 2: in your in your life.
Speaker 3: So it was a very long winded way of saying,
Speaker 3: I'm a Charlotte. I love it, I'm Charlotte.
Speaker 1: That was a good, deep way because you're right, we
Speaker 1: have known her a long time and it means different
Speaker 1: things at different times, right, And that's what's great about
Speaker 1: playing a character for so long, obviously, but also like
Speaker 1: in something where people can relate, and that's kind of
Speaker 1: why I wanted to do this podcast, just to be
Speaker 1: able to, like, I love to hear the fans stories,
Speaker 1: you know, when I'm out in the world, and they
Speaker 1: always have something really interesting that they can pull from it.
Speaker 1: And you know, maybe you know, obviously every character has
Speaker 1: something super important to pull from. It's not like Charlotte
Speaker 1: is different or special or whatever. I just happen to
Speaker 1: play her, I mean, so, but like for me, I'm
Speaker 1: Parlot Charlotte Park Carrie, you know, because I feel like
Speaker 1: Carrie's always kind of searching and digging and you know,
Speaker 1: who am I How do I fit into this this
Speaker 1: scenario or who do I want to be in this scenario?
Speaker 1: And I'm more of that in certain ways in my
Speaker 1: real life than I am of a Charlotte where she
Speaker 1: had so many goals. You know, she really did have
Speaker 1: these goals, and I think that also is why she
Speaker 1: fell down a lot, because the goals were so specific, right,
Speaker 1: But then she was able to learn from them, you know,
Speaker 1: to learn from the things that didn't go how she
Speaker 1: expected to be more open to the other things that
Speaker 1: might have been there all along, which I think is
Speaker 1: so important. I mean, I have to tell myself this too,
Speaker 1: you know, ongoingly never ends, really it ends. But it's
Speaker 1: so interesting to think about.
Speaker 3: The purity though of you.
Speaker 2: And that character was like we all we root for
Speaker 2: all of you, you know, to get what you want.
Speaker 2: But you had such a pure it's a pure heart,
Speaker 2: you know, and when you got hurt, we all felt
Speaker 2: hurt for you. Thank you, And that's it made the
Speaker 2: triumph so much more sweet good.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: When I watched that pilot last night, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I was like, how crazy. I'm like a little child.
Speaker 2: We're babyfaces, really babies.
Speaker 1: And I said earlier, I'm like a puppy, like a
Speaker 1: baby puppy, right right, Yeah, this is what I was thinking.
Speaker 1: I was like, my god, I'm glad it worked out,
Speaker 1: like oh yeah, yeah me for her.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, because like I was like, wow, the nineties
Speaker 2: in New York was it was a different time.
Speaker 1: It looks so different in the pilot, so different seventies.
Speaker 3: Yes, I will yeah, I was there.
Speaker 1: I would go to visit. My parents would take me
Speaker 1: to Like I saw Sarah and Annie when we.
Speaker 3: Were Oh my god, what wonderful sous.
Speaker 1: I didn't know her. I saw her, and I mean
Speaker 1: I remember Times Square in the seventies was like you.
Speaker 2: Would never got her, right no, And in the nineties
Speaker 2: you wouldn't have gone there sounds like land right yeah.
Speaker 1: And also like the village like at the end, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know where we actually shot that final scene
Speaker 1: with she and Bigue so great obviously, but like when
Speaker 1: she gets out of the car, I'm like, where is she?
Speaker 1: Because that doesn't look anything like the village right now.
Speaker 1: It's literally you would have to go I don't know,
Speaker 1: thirty miles outside of New York to find that. Yeah, yeah, warehouse.
Speaker 1: You looking thing going on in the dark. I don't
Speaker 1: know what's happening. There's no light, there's no dark, there's
Speaker 1: no streakoreyahut door dying like it. It's just night and day.
Speaker 1: But that is kind of what you love about the cities,
Speaker 1: that it's always evolved.
Speaker 3: It's evolving.
Speaker 2: But I think it was like a time capsule, you know,
Speaker 2: the pilots, Oh, big time New York was like, and
Speaker 2: how it looked and and what it was like to
Speaker 2: be young, you know, And I know we weren't there.
Speaker 3: Young and we you know what I mean that young?
Speaker 2: What do you say?
Speaker 1: No, we weren't no, I was.
Speaker 3: I see what we were.
Speaker 1: I was like thirty something.
Speaker 3: I think I was in my twenties, like twenties.
Speaker 1: Oh how adorable.
Speaker 3: Oh I don't even know how old you are.
Speaker 1: And we were older because I remember early exactly, and
Speaker 1: we all were. And that was a big thing because remember,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you went through this, but when
Speaker 1: I was first auditioning whatever, the part said, oh, you
Speaker 1: said you're that eight. Oh yeah, you did not say
Speaker 1: you you were your real eight. If I was older,
Speaker 1: you said you're older. If it was younger, you were
Speaker 1: twenty two, whatever it was, you were like, yes, I'm
Speaker 1: twenty two, you know what I mean. And then the
Speaker 1: freedom of playing a woman in her thirties, we were
Speaker 1: like what I heard of? But this is also when
Speaker 1: you thought your career was over at forty. Yes, like
Speaker 1: we really did not ever perceive that we would have
Speaker 1: bigger success.
Speaker 3: Yeah, crazy longevity, a magic god.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, And it's so nice for other for actors
Speaker 2: to say that for you know, and actually it's different
Speaker 2: now and the world is and our stories are interesting,
Speaker 2: you know, Well that's why.
Speaker 1: We wanted to do it, just like that, like, why
Speaker 1: why would our stories be over?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: They're not over richer, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and just as interesting. And I can't wait for
Speaker 3: the for the next season.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's a it's it's a it's a good one.
Speaker 3: It's a big one's look at the eyebrows, you know.
Speaker 1: It's all we just finished. I'm still recovering intense. So
Speaker 1: it's intense. It is intense, But we're just so lucky
Speaker 1: to still be doing it.
Speaker 2: You are, and I'm sorry, and you can tell that
Speaker 2: you really, it's genuine feel lucky because I heard.
Speaker 1: Of it's really to have and you know, so lucky.
Speaker 2: Stay with these characters and evolve with them and keep
Speaker 2: telling the stories. And it's so generous to the audience
Speaker 2: and to the.
Speaker 1: Us, like the support, you know. For not the audience,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't be able to do it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's a it's a cycle, it's a circuit.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's important. But it's also funny because I when I
Speaker 1: watched yours, I was like, we don't even know what
Speaker 1: happened to her.
Speaker 3: Right to know what happened to her? Is we do?
Speaker 2: I think there's a whole company episode that we could
Speaker 2: go back. Stick with me, okay, and just see the trajectory.
Speaker 2: There was Elizabeth maybe she won a Pulitzer or something.
Speaker 3: I don't know. She was a journalist. I love it.
Speaker 3: Maybe she does a cover story on Carrie Charlotte, Carrie,
Speaker 3: you know, the whole bit. Yeah, you know, like whatever
Speaker 3: happened to her.
Speaker 2: She's on the cover of Forbes something, you know. But
Speaker 2: it was just such a and you know, it's it's interesting.
Speaker 2: I had friends that didn't even know I had done
Speaker 2: Sex in the City. And then I think the pandemic
Speaker 2: when when the series came back, people wanted to go
Speaker 2: back to the beginning. So I had so many people
Speaker 2: at one point saying, you're.
Speaker 1: Sex and the City in the city.
Speaker 2: Yeah. A friend of mine just texted me from an airplane.
Speaker 2: I'm like, look, the lad in front of me is
Speaker 2: watching you on Sex and the City.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2: So it kind of is. It's given me a boost,
Speaker 2: you know, and I was only in you know a
Speaker 2: little bit, but you're so good.
Speaker 3: Oh well, who knew.
Speaker 1: It's like not complete, but it's like a really like
Speaker 1: you get the story, like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like we don't even really follow the rest of us
Speaker 1: well that much.
Speaker 2: But it's the premise of the show that it's really
Speaker 2: set up, like what can happen when this wide eyed,
Speaker 2: you know a person comes to me. I was that
Speaker 2: wide eyed person coming from Australia. Oh that's another thing.
Speaker 2: The accent was dodgy as hell because no one asked
Speaker 2: me if I was really British, Like you said with
Speaker 2: the auditions, if you're thirty.
Speaker 3: Three, thirty three, if you're twenty four twenty four, are
Speaker 3: you British?
Speaker 2: Yeah, hell yeah, And no one at that point like
Speaker 2: say anything about my you know.
Speaker 1: It's okay. We were paying attention to so many other things,
Speaker 1: but to go like there's one word where I'm like.
Speaker 3: Wait what But that's okay?
Speaker 2: But I mean yeah, like you know, British Australian, that's foreign. Yeah,
Speaker 2: for a holiday Australians with your Louis d and my hair,
Speaker 2: your yellow.
Speaker 1: Cat and in your hat and my check is just amazing,
Speaker 1: so amazing.
Speaker 3: What a what a beginning?
Speaker 1: What a beginning? Yeah? Well, the thing that I think
Speaker 1: is interesting is like there's two main points, right, So
Speaker 1: one is the ghosting, which we don't call it obviously
Speaker 1: the ghostings. We don't have that word yet. But the other,
Speaker 1: which I remember more so personally as being The super
Speaker 1: fascinating part is can women go around and casually have
Speaker 1: sex like a man and not have emotions right? And
Speaker 1: that's what we debate at the one scene we all
Speaker 1: have together at Miranda's birthday and I'm Charlotte's like, what
Speaker 1: about romance? You know? And they're all like, you know right,
Speaker 1: and you know, Samantha is very powerful about it all.
Speaker 1: And then Carrie goes and tries to do research with
Speaker 1: the Bill Sage character. He's so beautiful. Oh my jesus,
Speaker 1: go I know, I know, and I remember having a
Speaker 1: little like Bill Sage crush run into him and I'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh that Bill Stage is here. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, not my type. I don't know. He didn't
Speaker 1: seem to you know what I'm saying. He was like
Speaker 1: quite fabulous, stunning, and she goes. Sarah goes up. You know,
Speaker 1: she's got her eyes because she's got her brown hair,
Speaker 1: and she's like, you know, how about you know your place?
Speaker 1: And he's like three o'clock and she's like, I'm just
Speaker 1: like whoa. She's like incredible, and then she goes and
Speaker 1: they're in bed and it shows her enjoying it. And
Speaker 1: then he comes up from the covers and there's some
Speaker 1: stain on the sheet, which I'm just like, what ear Okay,
Speaker 1: it's probably makeup. I don't know what's going on. Everything's
Speaker 1: like kind of messy in the pilot, you know. And
Speaker 1: then he's like, what about my turn? And she's like, no, sorry,
Speaker 1: gotta go. I'm like, oh my god, it's incredible. You
Speaker 1: don't see this on television now.
Speaker 3: No, thirty years Dark. No, that was bold, right, it
Speaker 3: was really bold.
Speaker 1: And then she goes out on the sidewalk and runs
Speaker 1: into big and drops the condos.
Speaker 3: No, it's incredible.
Speaker 2: It was, and it needed to be seen and it
Speaker 2: needed to happen. And the fact that that was the
Speaker 2: show that did it, yeah.
Speaker 1: Remarkable, But also like, think about it now, I do
Speaker 1: feel saying earlier, I do feel like in terms of women,
Speaker 1: like we are, we do have this ability to be
Speaker 1: casual and have hookups and you know, in an equal
Speaker 1: manner to men then back then. But I still don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, can women have sex without feeling?
Speaker 3: And I don't know. I can't. I mean, I'm not.
Speaker 2: I just my feelings are in everything, you know, So
Speaker 2: I don't even know that I want to have sex
Speaker 2: like a man, Like I'm quite happy happy having sex
Speaker 2: like a woman, you.
Speaker 1: Know, and sometimes I would like because I well, but.
Speaker 2: If you're not feeling it, then you still want to
Speaker 2: feel it, yes, right, if you're going to feel it,
Speaker 2: you feel it in.
Speaker 1: A way where when you're gone, you're up, I'm going.
Speaker 3: To cry it's over. And I think just and also
Speaker 3: being open.
Speaker 2: I think just being a creative person, you have to
Speaker 2: be been herded all the time, so it's it's valid
Speaker 2: points feelings, you know, it's hard to sort of leave
Speaker 2: feelings behind. But yeah, it's interesting. You know, they have
Speaker 2: sex like a man, and I love that she did that.
Speaker 2: I thought it was so empowering and so awesome.
Speaker 3: I agree it was, it was great. But yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 2: It's so interesting that Yeah, like you said, not even now,
Speaker 2: are people really doing that or feeling bold enough to
Speaker 2: to cavalier with men and sex?
Speaker 1: And I mean, I feel like there might be because of
Speaker 1: the apps and everything, like the dating.
Speaker 2: Apps like hinge, you can be more anonymous as the one, right,
Speaker 2: I don't know, right, never been on them.
Speaker 3: I have been on and off them.
Speaker 2: Really, I kind of go on them and then it's like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I can't do and starting for someone
Speaker 2: to like meet me on my sofa at home, like
Speaker 2: just walk in the door, and which is just not
Speaker 2: gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that that's bold.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it's going to happen. I just
Speaker 3: I'm not good at dating. I'm just not want to.
Speaker 3: I just but I don't go to bas I don't
Speaker 3: go dad.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that's where people meet people,
Speaker 1: because is it anyway?
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess I'm on the train sometimes, but
Speaker 2: like I don't look up, you know, I'm just hoping
Speaker 2: like one of my friends will just introduce me to
Speaker 2: a great guy.
Speaker 3: That's nice. I live with three great men as it is,
Speaker 3: you know, and that you know, I feel like they're.
Speaker 1: That's a lot that I'm not still looking for someone.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Wow. But it's just like I feel very fulfilled, you.
Speaker 1: Know, which is great, right. I think we should do
Speaker 1: some kind of a poll with everyone we have on
Speaker 1: of all ages to find out and maybe in our
Speaker 1: socials someone can tell us, like, are these younger women, yes,
Speaker 1: who've come up with the age of like apps and
Speaker 1: social media and whatnot? Are they able to go have
Speaker 1: casual sex if they want to? What's it like if
Speaker 1: they want to, and what's it like? We need to know.
Speaker 3: I would love that because that's just not how I grew.
Speaker 3: You just wouldn't know. It was a lady for us.
Speaker 2: She wasn't you know, it wasn't uh feminine, you know,
Speaker 2: but why why do wea but why not? Yeah?
Speaker 3: No, it's so misogynistic. Don't even think that, right, And
Speaker 3: I'm the woman.
Speaker 1: What we were grand?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and to.
Speaker 2: Be you didn't want to be aggressive, you know. And
Speaker 2: it's like you just so you want to be asked out.
Speaker 3: You want to You don't want to be the one
Speaker 3: boo boo boo.
Speaker 2: Like I like it's okay to ask someone out or
Speaker 2: I like you definitely.
Speaker 3: I remember the first time I told Hi man I
Speaker 3: liked him before he said he liked me. Was he shocked? No,
Speaker 3: He's like, I like you too, you know, And then
Speaker 3: we kissed. That was nice.
Speaker 2: But I felt like this was just like the old
Speaker 2: Sarah would never have done that. I would have waited
Speaker 2: for him to call and say.
Speaker 1: I know the things we go through, my.
Speaker 2: Godmure and you know you can still make Charlotte femininity guy,
Speaker 2: Oh my guy, and all the guys.
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm impressed. I'm way impressed. You're the perfect first guest.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you're more Charlotte than me. I think, okay,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the men, because you know the men
Speaker 1: in the pilot, like she does say that great line
Speaker 1: where they show all the people walking down the street
Speaker 1: and she says like, you know, these women pay taxes
Speaker 1: and they wear strapping manolo's and yet they are alone.
Speaker 1: There's like a little beat before she goes alone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you know every man who talks to the camera.
Speaker 1: First of all, they're horrific. Second of all, they say
Speaker 1: toxic bachelor.
Speaker 2: Toxically in yes print yes, and it's true fail up, like.
Speaker 3: Why are we struggling?
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of you know, chat about how
Speaker 2: you know things have become more equal and things, you know,
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 3: Of have they.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I really feel like.
Speaker 2: You know, the cream of the crop of women are
Speaker 2: out there in a single and these men. I diated
Speaker 2: a man, well, we went out to who ate baby food?
Speaker 1: Like what?
Speaker 3: And I went out on a second and third date
Speaker 3: with him? He ate babyfood?
Speaker 1: Why I don't know. Was he trying to diet.
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: But he took me to really good restaurants and would
Speaker 2: order boiled rice and he had like a container of
Speaker 2: apple sauce and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I.
Speaker 3: Like boiled rice. Can I tell you what?
Speaker 1: This guy also an actor? He would he I would
Speaker 1: order regular food, and he would order like vegetables or
Speaker 1: whatever with like steamed vegetables, like like kind of like
Speaker 1: you would think of actress, I know. And then I
Speaker 1: would regular food. He'd be like, let me smell it,
Speaker 1: so we would like, oh god.
Speaker 3: I'd be like, oh that's so weird.
Speaker 1: I know, and he'd be like, oh, I feel better now.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, all right, what.
Speaker 3: You do to stop dating actors?
Speaker 1: I know, giving them money? I love us, but I know,
Speaker 1: I know, I know. I yeah, I don't get me
Speaker 1: started on my taste. But but I wait here, what happened?
Speaker 1: Did you ask the man why he was eating baby food?
Speaker 3: He said he's not. He said he had simple tastes.
Speaker 3: He had.
Speaker 2: He said he has a simple like you know, he's
Speaker 2: not into like really complicated food. I'm like, that is
Speaker 2: not someone that eats like you could eat uncomplicated.
Speaker 3: But still order off the menu. It was really really fast.
Speaker 1: It's weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, mashed potatoes and the little thing at apple sauce
Speaker 2: like and I thought, God, does he have like a
Speaker 2: mummy fantasy?
Speaker 3: Does he want me to like give him a bottle later?
Speaker 3: Like before bed? It didn't get that far.
Speaker 1: I'm glad, But what these are?
Speaker 2: The guy I also met, I had another blind date.
Speaker 2: We were set up by a mutual friend too. We
Speaker 2: had a really nice dinner in New York City. But
Speaker 2: I sat down with tall, handsome, gorgeous, good family I'd
Speaker 2: heard from. I googled him and he we said, hadn't
Speaker 2: even ordered cocktails. And he was like, wait there, Like
Speaker 2: I was gonna go anywhere. He goes back to the end,
Speaker 2: back at the kitchen.
Speaker 1: Basically, Okay, it's the bar.
Speaker 2: Are all the diners into the kit comes back a
Speaker 2: few minutes later with a guitar, sits down and start singing.
Speaker 2: The whole restaurant stops and looks, and people have their
Speaker 2: phones and their feeling because I guess they figure he's
Speaker 2: about to propose or something. I don't why he started
Speaker 2: singing Kiss the Girl from a Little Mermaid in the
Speaker 2: Jamaican accent and I remember my face was so frozen
Speaker 2: in a smile that it started to hurt. And I
Speaker 2: remember thinking he kept singing, and he kept singing, and
Speaker 2: I wanted to die.
Speaker 3: I wanted someone. I think he was trying to impress me.
Speaker 2: I wanted someone to have a heart attack so we
Speaker 2: could like talk about that instead. I wanted to know
Speaker 2: that'd be a crash on Madison Avenue, like a car crash,
Speaker 2: so we could go, oh my god, there's a car crash.
Speaker 3: And he would put his guitar down.
Speaker 1: That is really embarrassing.
Speaker 3: And you know what else is embarrassing? I went out
Speaker 3: on a second date with him. You did because I
Speaker 3: think you want to know is there something wrong with me?
Speaker 3: My friends? I was like, is there something wrong with me?
Speaker 1: That?
Speaker 3: Doesn't every woman want to be serenaded?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's that was like, no, no, because you
Speaker 2: didn't put that out there.
Speaker 3: Did you tell him your dream is to be serenaded?
Speaker 1: Like you might not know.
Speaker 3: I didn't know, Sam, I wanted to die.
Speaker 1: Sorry if you're listening.
Speaker 2: And it takes a lot to embarrass me, like you know,
Speaker 2: as an actor, I was dying in all not the
Speaker 2: good ways, and he was so pleased with this.
Speaker 3: He said, can you believe I did that? And it's like, no,
Speaker 3: I really can't.
Speaker 1: This is my theory Sarah on this, Okay, because this
Speaker 1: is a very unusual story. I think he had seen
Speaker 1: you on twenty four and or Sex and City and
Speaker 1: he was like, I'm going out with this glamorous, beautiful actress.
Speaker 1: What's a musical exactly, I'm going to knock her socks off.
Speaker 1: I'm going to surprise her. I'm going to go big,
Speaker 1: like a big gesture, you know what I mean. I mean,
Speaker 1: which you should wait maybe later in the relationship for.
Speaker 3: It figure out what I mean.
Speaker 1: You like, it came from a good place, so deep,
Speaker 1: but it's so strange that he would pick like a
Speaker 1: kid's song.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Also, the entire is.
Speaker 1: A broad swing. Okay, it was really big thing.
Speaker 2: But I think I agree with you. I think that like,
Speaker 2: he came from all the right places. It just it
Speaker 2: was it was a lot, and and that's why I
Speaker 2: went out.
Speaker 3: That's why I went out with him, and he ultimately,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Did you find someone?
Speaker 3: We went for each other. I think he I think
Speaker 3: he might have found some hope. So yeah, and she
Speaker 3: likes to Yah.
Speaker 1: They can go to Disneyland, they can go on the Rock,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, the Little Mermaid. My kids
Speaker 1: love it.
Speaker 3: Yes, Frozen and all of them. Totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good one. Wow. So in general, this
Speaker 1: is my question when I was watching the pilot, do
Speaker 1: we feel like it's different than it was in the pilot?
Speaker 1: Because here she is saying, they are all these incredible
Speaker 1: successful women in Manhattan, but also in the world, and
Speaker 1: where are all the great guys? Like, do we feel
Speaker 1: like that's different?
Speaker 3: God, I'd love to say it's different.
Speaker 2: I think there are so many I mean, I'm a woman,
Speaker 2: so obviously I can only speak to the you know,
Speaker 2: female perspective on things. And I'm middle aged, like, I'm
Speaker 2: not a young person dating in the city.
Speaker 3: I have no idea what that is like totally, but
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 2: The playing field has evened out a little and that
Speaker 2: we don't put up with that kind of good good call,
Speaker 2: and we pick We're smarter, you know, we can pick toxicity.
Speaker 3: You know, we know what ghosting is, we know what
Speaker 3: being rear windowed? What is it?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: No white light, black lights?
Speaker 1: What ges light? Window?
Speaker 3: You don't want to be real windows?
Speaker 1: No? I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't think I do.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was totally. I know you're saying
Speaker 1: there's more, there's more we can yes.
Speaker 2: And and we look out for each other. And social media,
Speaker 2: you know, you can bring things back to the golfriend.
Speaker 2: Oh I saw him, I saw him out at that
Speaker 2: other place. Wait, you know on snap and there's the
Speaker 2: snap map. And I'm learning this from my kids. You
Speaker 2: can you can see someone's location on the snap. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what the heck? Yeah in real time? Yeah, in real time.
Speaker 2: So it's like, oh, she's not at the movies with
Speaker 2: her friends, she's like them all with someone else.
Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, well I didn't know this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I do think so, I think we're there's tools.
Speaker 2: But I do think with that comes like a sense
Speaker 2: of like we're harder, you know, like harder, like I think,
Speaker 2: you know, when you're expecting someone to to to mess
Speaker 2: up or not be truthful, or to gaslight you, or
Speaker 2: to not be honest, right, you're kind of guarded, and
Speaker 2: you should be guarded. But I think it's also important
Speaker 2: to keep that part that's soft, that we'll find love
Speaker 2: that will be open and not everyone's perfect and not and.
Speaker 3: Everyone's going to break up, and everyone's gonna.
Speaker 2: Like, maybe tell a white lie, maybe maybe you know,
Speaker 2: or try and protect themselves in the beginning, and we
Speaker 2: all want to put our best face forward. I think
Speaker 2: that's what I used to do. I used to sort of,
Speaker 2: you know, want people to think I was perfect and
Speaker 2: this is me. Now I just put it out there
Speaker 2: right away. So to Charlotte, now, I'm just like, look,
Speaker 2: I have three kids. My life is messy. You know
Speaker 2: that's great.
Speaker 1: Yes, be who you are, Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: But I didn't even know if I want to live
Speaker 2: with someone anymore. But if you want to, like, you know,
Speaker 2: have two different places, that would be good. I have
Speaker 2: two different says.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the part of the Pilot where someone
Speaker 1: I think it must be Carrie says, wait, maybe I
Speaker 1: don't know who it is, but someone says that we're
Speaker 1: self selecting down to a smaller and smaller group.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's clever. Yeah, yeah we are me.
Speaker 1: No, well cool, it's something like that. That is so true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's just so many things that are still so true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I can't believe it.
Speaker 3: You know, it's okay to have like, you know, your people, okay.
Speaker 1: But it's also like you're saying, if you're not open
Speaker 1: to being surprised, then you're probably not going to be
Speaker 1: surprised because you're not open to it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So there's that yes, right.
Speaker 3: So you have to find a balance.
Speaker 1: I guess, right, But I think the question and I
Speaker 1: don't know the answer. Definitely. The question is are there
Speaker 1: great guys out there? And I mean there must be,
Speaker 1: but like my feeling is they're all in relationship.
Speaker 2: They're all in relationships. There are plenty of great guys
Speaker 2: out there, they're just not single right right, And you know,
Speaker 2: it's timing is everything, and you know, oftentimes I'll meet
Speaker 2: someone and then I'd.
Speaker 3: Like, do I really want to be in a relationship?
Speaker 2: It's very time consuming, you know, sharing a life with somebody,
Speaker 2: and I kind of want like a sometime roommate sometimes.
Speaker 2: But then I guess that makes me sound casual and
Speaker 2: I'm not right, Well that can you have sex like
Speaker 2: a man like I want? I guess I just want
Speaker 2: the cuddle. I kind of like, you know, the cuddle,
Speaker 2: the you know, someone to put there. I was flew
Speaker 2: out here from New York and I was, you know,
Speaker 2: waiting to get on my plane and I saw this couple,
Speaker 2: and he was taller than her, and she literally just
Speaker 2: just kind of rested.
Speaker 3: Her head on his shoulder and like held onto.
Speaker 2: His arm, and I kind of it kind of took
Speaker 2: my breath away because I was like, that's what I miss. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I like, you know, not the not the fireworks,
Speaker 2: you know, fancy you know stuff, the movie stuff.
Speaker 3: It's that like.
Speaker 2: Being able to lean on someone while you're in line
Speaker 2: to do something really you know, basic and yeah, you
Speaker 2: know boring.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know, that's very profound. It's very profound.
Speaker 2: I mean that's intimacy at a really beautiful level.
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, I agree. Yes, I mean, so well,
Speaker 1: let's just end that there's there there's hope.
Speaker 3: There is hope.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is hope.
Speaker 2: Yes, they're absolutely just got goosebumps and uh and Charlotte
Speaker 2: and your portrayal of her.
Speaker 3: So pure and so thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: I'm lucky to play her so wonderful for Babe, for
Speaker 2: us all to watch.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I still get to do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we get to watch it, you know, I know.
Speaker 1: It's super super mind blowing to think of the pilot
Speaker 1: being all that time ago. Oh, I can't even really
Speaker 1: say the number out low because I don't really know.
Speaker 1: I you know what I mean, it's more than twenty
Speaker 1: five years, That's what I know, because we had like
Speaker 1: a celebration that it was twenty five years and that
Speaker 1: was like two years ago, So I guess it's like
Speaker 1: twenty seven years ago.
Speaker 3: That's like what century?
Speaker 1: Like how could that be true?
Speaker 2: Like so much as to the carriage and also you know,
Speaker 2: in the world, in the world and the cast like marriage, lived, life,
Speaker 2: you know, death.
Speaker 3: I don't can't, okay, I yes.
Speaker 1: Yes, life is and life is intense. It's intense, I know.
Speaker 1: But we've been on the wildest, wildest ride, you know,
Speaker 1: We've been all over the world. Oh, I don't think
Speaker 1: we want to get off if they'll let us continue,
Speaker 1: which I don't know, but you know, I mean, we
Speaker 1: love what we do so much, so much, and we're
Speaker 1: so lucky, and it's so I'm so grateful, you know,
Speaker 1: for all of it, for every phase and everyone who
Speaker 1: has allowed us to find ourselves. You know, because if
Speaker 1: you think about how the show has changed and then
Speaker 1: beginning to do the movies and then getting to do
Speaker 1: the new show, like we have had this every single time,
Speaker 1: we have to prove ourselves again, Like it seems from
Speaker 1: the outside like it must be easy. No, no, we
Speaker 1: had to go pitch and just like that's harder.
Speaker 3: I'm sure each time.
Speaker 1: There's the previous thing that that they want to live
Speaker 1: up to, right, But then you also have to let
Speaker 1: go of that in a certain way because life changes
Speaker 1: and people change and the stories evolve, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's all very fascinating. I'm just very very grateful.
Speaker 3: It's incredible. It's magic. He guys, magic capture magic.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for your partner. Well you started remember
Speaker 1: of course, how can I forget? Like I said, I
Speaker 1: want to know what happens to her Elizabeth?
Speaker 3: Well maybe in the next uh, I know, does she still?
Speaker 1: Does she still?
Speaker 3: You know what she could have of the vintage?
Speaker 1: She could with that money?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, maybe that's that's.
Speaker 3: That's full circle. I was like, there you go had
Speaker 3: the hat box?
Speaker 1: Oh of it?
Speaker 3: I know?
Speaker 1: And is that, sir Jessica's because like, how could we
Speaker 1: have afforded that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I don't know what That's a good that's a good
Speaker 2: trivia question. Yeah, she has it, she has it, of
Speaker 2: course she does.
Speaker 3: She'd have the hat box.
Speaker 1: Made me carry a hat box all over Morocco.
Speaker 3: Isn't that funny?
Speaker 1: Yes, it was awkward. It was always like these things
Speaker 1: are not And I had a massive hat Michael Patrick
Speaker 1: Haye is so beautiful. I'm sorry that, oh we put
Speaker 1: a lot of sunscreen onto but yes, uh you know, yes,
Speaker 1: I guess this the has helped. That has help. But yeah,
Speaker 1: hat boxes are kind of a special thing. I very
Speaker 1: call back, go back old Hollywood. Yeah, I do love
Speaker 1: them too, but I mean I.
Speaker 2: Remember wanting to have one in high school and I
Speaker 2: think I ended up getting like a codboard.
Speaker 3: One thing that that was how it was going to travel.
Speaker 3: I didn't have any hats.
Speaker 1: Listen, I've got the Vyton makeup case, and I did
Speaker 1: you one time when it's sitting on the top of
Speaker 1: your pile in the back of the cabin, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I got one time. I was working in South Africa
Speaker 1: and I wanted my character to have it, but I
Speaker 1: had to bring it because they definitely could afford it.
Speaker 1: And I was I had adopted my son, who's who's
Speaker 1: my youngest child, and he was six months old and
Speaker 1: I was taking him to South Africa with me to
Speaker 1: do this movie with a baby nurse and in the
Speaker 1: Louis Vutant, I packed his formula bottles because a picture
Speaker 1: of that, but I did not because you don't think
Speaker 1: you're just so stressed. Yeah, oh my god, what do
Speaker 1: I have to take it for this more than travel six?
Speaker 1: He did so great. I had bought like this, we're
Speaker 1: so off topic, but I bought Starbucks card for everybody
Speaker 1: because we were in the first class lounge, the first
Speaker 1: class cabin of Everts. I was like, these people are
Speaker 1: going to be so upset with me because I have
Speaker 1: this tiny baby. You thought I was going to be mad, Well,
Speaker 1: my baby nurse did. Yeah, so we bought Starbucks card
Speaker 1: for everyone. He did not make up, but I handed
Speaker 1: them out anyway.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I.
Speaker 1: Mean he was like a little angel, a little angel
Speaker 1: the planes.
Speaker 2: Actually, I took my son to go further off topic
Speaker 2: when he was three months old to Australia and.
Speaker 3: That was a long and I remember everyone.
Speaker 2: Looked at me in I was in business class and
Speaker 2: he had a little crib and the.
Speaker 3: Woman sitting next to me, I just sat down.
Speaker 2: I'm like, sorry, I'm a nurse.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I was like nursing and stuff because I was saying,
Speaker 2: what if I sit next to it? And that's a
Speaker 2: long time to you know, he slept the entire, the
Speaker 2: entire It's amazing. I was like, I'll hold him whatever
Speaker 2: you need.
Speaker 1: This is when that's when you need watching this or
Speaker 1: listening or whatever. Who has a baby fly with them
Speaker 1: when they're kind three to six months you think you shouldn't.
Speaker 3: But when they're not so bad, no, no, then you need.
Speaker 2: Then you need more than a stuff you need give
Speaker 2: card tifinator.
Speaker 1: Everybody, totally totally anyway, we have definitely gone off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was really fun. You're so fun to talk
Speaker 1: to you.
Speaker 3: Oh I love you. You're amazing.
Speaker 2: It's just like I love this. It's just are you
Speaker 2: watching going on? Is that how you're gonna like you'll
Speaker 2: cover the.
Speaker 1: Well, that's how we can over the themes, right, And
Speaker 1: I mean we're recapping, but not in the way like
Speaker 1: some people recap and talk about like lines, scenes, whatever.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh my god, I don't even know
Speaker 1: if I can do that. But like, just to watch
Speaker 1: the pilot because I haven't watched it in at least
Speaker 1: twenty years, I mean a very long time. Right, you know,
Speaker 1: you're reminded of so much. So it's like, I want
Speaker 1: to tell you about what it was like to be there,
Speaker 1: what I remember, you know, different things stick out obviously,
Speaker 1: and then some things you're like, I don't even remember that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's just behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: But also the thing that I love the most about
Speaker 1: it is that the themes that we talked about then
Speaker 1: are still so relevant, you know, it's still so interesting.
Speaker 1: And that's why I like to hold them up now
Speaker 1: and say like, is this still true?
Speaker 3: Is this not still true?
Speaker 1: It's super interesting, you know, and I'm sure each guest
Speaker 1: will have their own.
Speaker 3: It's fascinating and it's and we still don't know.
Speaker 2: We're still asking the questions, which keeps us curious, which
Speaker 2: keeps things interesting.
Speaker 3: Which is great.
Speaker 1: That's a great and that's what I think carrying bodies right,
Speaker 1: She's always like what if? Or what's your things? I
Speaker 1: wonder if? Or you know, like that these are good
Speaker 1: questions to be as.
Speaker 2: Curiosity is something so lacking. People are really good at
Speaker 2: talking and they're not good at listening. And I think
Speaker 2: when you're curious, you inherently want to listen, and not
Speaker 2: everyone can host a podcast, so you.
Speaker 3: Obviously you're a really good.
Speaker 2: Listener, My first guest, we'll find out, that's my of
Speaker 2: all the podcasts.
Speaker 3: I've been on. No, You're You're You're great.
Speaker 1: You darling, thank you for being here for my first
Speaker 1: guest for Charlotte, my first sure and she was in
Speaker 1: fact to Charlotte more than me, which is quite amazing.
Speaker 3: You know, I was inspired.
Speaker 1: Ah, so we hope you guys will be back next week. Yeah,