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Speaker 1: my name is Ben, my name is Noel, and Ben,

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Speaker 1: to you on this, Ben, because many listeners may know,

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Speaker 1: these days. In general, in the sixties, motor racing was

432
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: absurdly violent, death was commonplace. Um. The nineteen fifty five

433
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: Lament had one of the most horrific crashes in racing history.

434
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 1: UH A car exploded, killing around ninety people when flaming

435
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: debris rocketed into the packed seats. People didn't typically wear

436
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: seat belts because part of the thing at Lament is

437
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: you have to run from across the track and hop

438
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: into your car and then get going. A lot of

439
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: times they didn't feel like taking the time to put

440
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: on their seatbelts. Um. And not to mention that fires

441
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: and explosions were so common that they wanted to be

442
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: able to escape, right, That's why they because the seatbelt

443
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: might be as dangerous to you in their view as

444
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: not wearing one. Yeah, the Laman disaster didn't just change Lament,

445
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: it changed motor sports entirely. And it actually the catastrophe.

446
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: I think we mentioned around ninety people died, eighty three

447
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: spectators definitely, some driver died as well. There were almost

448
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: two hundred injuries. Eighty people at least got injured, and

449
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: this actually led Mercedes Bings to retire from racing until

450
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: nineteen nine. In ninety seven, there was another race called

451
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: the Meal Miglia Road Race, and there were five Ferraris

452
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: in that race. Uh. One of them that was driven

453
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: by a racer over the name of Alfonso de Portago,

454
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: had a tire blowout careemed into the crowd of spectators.

455
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: He was killed, his co driver was killed, and a

456
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: number of spectators, including five children, were killed. Um. And

457
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: and this comes from the twenty four hour War. Uh.

458
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: This is really fascinating to me. An Italian law, when

459
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: someone is killed in a car, the manufacturer was held

460
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: accountable in those days, so in Zo Ferrari himself was

461
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: called before the law and had to plead his case.

462
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: He was investigated, but ultimately found innocent because it was

463
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: a racing accident and everyone knew what they were signing

464
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: up for when they stand on the sidelines and watch

465
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: these crazy things. And if you see the old footage

466
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: of these kinds of races, you'll notice that the spectators

467
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: are right next to these vehicles. Then they're going at

468
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: insane curves and sane speeds over two d and fifty

469
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: miles I think top speeds in those days. Nowadays it's

470
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: mandated that they can't go that fast. Yeah, that's true,

471
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: and it depends upon the race. But most races now

472
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: will have pretty stringent safety requirements and things still go

473
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: horribly wrong at times. But when we look at Ferrari

474
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: and Lament, despite the despite the dangers, despite the court case,

475
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: despite the deaths and the injuries and the catastrophic accidents,

476
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: Ferrari is dominating, and they're dominating the most important race

477
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: in the world. We should also say that that track

478
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: they're driving on for twenty four hours was at the

479
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: time eight point four miles long. From the fifties to

480
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: the mid sixties, Ferrari cars were dominating the event. Between

481
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty eight and nineteen sixty five, Ferrari vehicles and

482
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: drivers won seven of the eight races, which you know

483
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: makes them the equivalent for sports fans. Their winning streak

484
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: is is similar to the winning streak of the New

485
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: England Patriots or the New York Yankees, irritating, irritating to

486
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: everyone else. Right, Okay, so we're in nineteen sixty four now,

487
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: are Ford makes its debut of the g T forty

488
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: at Lament. Millions are tuning in. This is like the

489
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: Battle of the Titans of Industry. Like we described at

490
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: the top of the show, crowds were bigger than they

491
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: had ever been. Uh. There were three GT forties in

492
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: the race and they were by far the lowest cars.

493
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: It was like a design that was not as common. Right, yeah,

494
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: these things look like space aliens, Like are they suppose

495
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: to be there? Is this? Is this a race? How

496
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: the heck are these vehicles going to perform against all

497
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: these tried and true racing teams that perfected art over

498
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: decades and spoiler alert, not well yeah, not well, not

499
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: well at all, including a fiery explosion. Unluckily no one

500
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: was killed, but not a single Ford got anywhere near

501
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: the finish line. No, not at all. It was for

502
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: a first swing out. It was pretty disastrous and it

503
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: proved a lot of the skepticism that racing fans had

504
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: about Ford entering in for the first time. Everybody was thinking, Ah,

505
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,479
Speaker 1: there's no way, this is too new, they don't have

506
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: experience and this is a dangerous endeavor. So to Ford

507
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,719
Speaker 1: two was understandably livid, and he was like, We're going

508
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: to make whatever changes we have to make to beat

509
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: that sexy, sexy Italian man, and so those are my

510
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: words this well, it's I think it's a good paraphrase.

511
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: That quote was based on a true story. So so

512
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: here we go. There's you know again such anger and

513
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: vim from for two and he says, you know what,

514
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: I need more experts. I need more people to help

515
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: me in my vendetta. So he finds, uh, some more

516
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: folks to help them, and one of them is the

517
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,479
Speaker 1: legendary Carol Shelby. He's probably the most important other player

518
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: in this story. Shelby drove and some of the first

519
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: races in American history in Watkins Glen, New York. There's

520
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: a story in that he tells himself in the Twenty

521
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: four Hour War. He says he got his license when

522
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: he was fourteen and immediately got pulled over by the police.

523
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: Were driving his father's thirty four Dodge eighty five min,

524
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: which would have been an insane speed for for that car.

525
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: Right then, Yes, absolutely well, and you can find a

526
00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: pretty interesting argument for this in another another book called

527
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: Go Like hell Ford Ferrari in their Battle for Speed

528
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: and Glory at Lament, when they got Carol Shelby on

529
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: the team, it was kind of like when the Avengers

530
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: got thor or something, someone with honest, honest superpowers, and

531
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: they began working with him. Don Fries still in the mix,

532
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: as was Leo Biebe, and they said, you know what,

533
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: Shelby is going to take the lessons from our less

534
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: than awesome performance and show us how to make this

535
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: something that isn't dismal. So they handed the program over

536
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: to Shelby. After a nineteen sixty four Nassau race, they

537
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: sent the cars directly to Shelby, like they didn't even

538
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: wash them, dude, they were still dirty. And they were like,

539
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: all right, he's in, just send him, now, send him,

540
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: Send him. Shelby was a really punchy character too. He

541
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: actually won lament as a racer in despite having serious

542
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: health problems. He had a heart condition and is said

543
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: to have raced with a nitro glycer and tap under

544
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: his tongue. Uh. And then he went on and actually

545
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: got support from Ford to build his own after he

546
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: retired from racing, to build his own sports cars. So

547
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: he went to Lee I A Coca who was a

548
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: big time executive, and pitched him on this idea of

549
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: making American sports cars. I Coca. It sounded like he

550
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: wanted to get rid of him. So he gave him

551
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: a few engines and some money and said, do your thing.

552
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: And they made this car called the Cobra with this

553
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: team of kind of rag tag team of folks from

554
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: across all over the place, like he had experts, hot

555
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: rod experts from all over the world, and it performed.

556
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: They did well at all of the big races, and

557
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: they won Lament in nineteen sixty four with the model

558
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: of this Cobrad. They called the Daytona Coup because they

559
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: had made it specifically for Daytona. But that is when

560
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: Ford was like, Okay, I like this kid. I like

561
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: the cut of his jib. I like the cut of

562
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: his bib overalls, which he apparently wore a lot. And

563
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: and a dream team was born. Yes, the dream team

564
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: was born. And he also had a common villain in

565
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: Enzo Ferrari, because Shelby, you see, also was not a

566
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: fan of Ferrari, or at least Ferrari hated him because

567
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: Ferrari had been beaten by Shelby at Lament in nineteen

568
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: fifty nine. When Shelby was driving for Aston, Martin tried

569
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: to recruit him as well to drive for him. Yeah,

570
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: and Shelby said, Nah, again, this is another contankerous guy.

571
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: Shelby often complained before that the cars were terribly maintained.

572
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: Sort of what am I supposed to do with this situation?

573
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: So in nineteen sixty five they were there at Lamont

574
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: driving a new version of the g T forty called

575
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: the Mark two, and they started out doing really well.

576
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: People thought, hey, this might change the racing game. But again,

577
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 1: over that twenty four hour period, all of their cars

578
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: were forced out of the race by mechanical bugs. They

579
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: there was even a story where one of the racers

580
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: had to push his car for a few miles. And

581
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: I think there was even a thing where for the

582
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: last minute insisted they switch out the engines to like

583
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,959
Speaker 1: a newer engine that they had done, and that last

584
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: minute shuffle kind of screwed them over a little bit,

585
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: and um maybe caused some of those mechanical failure. I

586
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: think there was an issue of bolts that had expanded

587
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: and cracked and just caused some problems because of that

588
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: last minute switch. Right. And we should also say nine

589
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: it's the same year that Ford showed off these gts

590
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: that they would later use in Lamon, and even the

591
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: Ford Company wasn't able to estimate how much they cost.

592
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: They like didn't know. And I saw an article on

593
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: thrill lists that that used the phrase a budget of

594
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: roughly infinity. Yeah, yeah, say, which will about Ford too.

595
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:55,919
Speaker 1: He was serious when he was beefed up. So they

596
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,959
Speaker 1: don't take this punch on the chin lightly. They come

597
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: back the very next next year and they have fixed

598
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: these various problems. They've taken the lessons learned, and they

599
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: come back with even better cars. And nineteen sixty six

600
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 1: is when everything changes for Ford, Lament, Ferrari and the world. Yeah,

601
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: because they decided they had to kind of think about

602
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: the problem differently, and they abandoned the smaller engines in

603
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: favor of what has become termed as big block cars

604
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: um because they needed more horsepower and that was how

605
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: they would get the edge on the zippy light smaller

606
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: engined set of thing. Ferraris, Yeah, so they did institute

607
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: the big block That's absolutely correct, And they had some

608
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 1: experience leading up to nineteen sixty six, Lament, because they

609
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 1: won the twenty four hours of Daytona and the twelve

610
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: Hours of Spring before with this big block forward that

611
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: Nol just mentioned. They also sent a lot of cars.

612
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: They sent eight g t O Mark two's with three teams,

613
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: three teams by Shelby American, three teams by Homan and Moody,

614
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 1: and two by Alan Man Racing. So again we're seeing

615
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: that Ford is pulling in the expertise of these pre

616
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: existing racing geniuses. Ferrari, in contrast, only sent I think

617
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: too Ferrari three th P three's to compete, and that

618
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: was sent by them directly. There was not a fit

619
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: called an art that entered another P three And then

620
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: there were four cars entered by Ferrari's private partners. They

621
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: were going to have John Surtees racing with them, but surprise,

622
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: he had a I'm doing air quotes here. No, he

623
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: had a falling out with Ferrari management. So it sounds

624
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:52,919
Speaker 1: like inso got in another argument of some sort. So

625
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: this race is insane, and behind the scenes, Ford is

626
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: so certain that they're going to win that they tell

627
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: two of their drivers that they think are going to

628
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: be in the front lines. They tell them that they

629
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: want them to finish at the same time. And that's

630
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: to drive home the fact that it was the car

631
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: and not necessarily the drivers that accounted for the victory right,

632
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 1: because drivers, as you could imagine, might have a bit

633
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 1: of ego. So they said, yeah, we want to show

634
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 1: that it is the superiority of us as manufacturers, not

635
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: just the individuals behind the wheel. Should we play a

636
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: clip from that stunning conclusion? Fantastic? And here they come

637
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: for the finish first place, the number two for GT

638
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: second place, the number one for GT third place, the

639
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: number five for GT an authoritative win for the American Challengers.

640
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 1: So not only does Ford take first place in this event,

641
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: but they also take second and right second and third.

642
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: The number two, UH four g T forty takes first place,

643
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: the number one takes second place, and the number five

644
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: takes third place. And this is one of those moments

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Speaker 1: in history where you have to wonder what Enzo Ferrari's

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Speaker 1: face looked like. It's probably like a bit of a scowl, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but probably wasn't a big cheese eaten grin. He always

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Speaker 1: looked a little DeMier. I wonder if you ever changed

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Speaker 1: his expression much. Yeah. You know, he's a guy who

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Speaker 1: had a lot on his mind, and I know we're

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Speaker 1: dinging him a little bit, but we we want to

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Speaker 1: again highlight that there's not really a bad guy in

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Speaker 1: this story, it's just two people who really hated each

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Speaker 1: other and because of their mmity, because they were so

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Speaker 1: beefed up, they managed to make a beautiful car that

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Speaker 1: changed the world. And in the documentary, Ferrari's son Um

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Speaker 1: has a pretty chill attitude about the whole thing and

658
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: has some really nice things to say about Ford and

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Speaker 1: very even handled with this thing about this Um. So

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Speaker 1: then the next year, of course, Ford returns to Lament

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Speaker 1: and adding insult to injury, uh wipes the floor with

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Speaker 1: Ferrari yet again, with wins In in for a second

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Speaker 1: and third place once again. Yeah, yep, absolutely they mop

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Speaker 1: up once again. And this changes the concept of who

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00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: can win a race globally. Also, it creates a new model.

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Speaker 1: So the same kind of innovation in terms of assembly

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00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: and distribution and output that the original Ford company had

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00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: building the Model T in the Model A is still

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00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: going strong in Ford in the sixties here because they

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00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: have unveiled a new model for manufacturers and the model

671
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: is providing money and internal research and design while farming

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00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: out the actual racing to the profect channels. This didn't

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00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: just change the operations at Laman, but also changed the

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Speaker 1: operations in Formula one, NASCAR other other world famous racing events.

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Speaker 1: And additionally, this is something that stayed with Ford as

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Speaker 1: a manufacturer because in two thousand and sixteen, to celebrate

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00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 1: the fiftieth anniversary, they attempted to execute the same sort

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Speaker 1: of coup and they're more or less dead, they're more

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Speaker 1: or lested. They didn't win uh Porshaw one that year

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00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: and portsche has been dominating a lot of lamon so

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00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: they didn't win, but they did come back and they

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00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: they tried to take some of the innovations that they

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Speaker 1: have in their street level cars and make a racing

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00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: car out of them. So these an eco boost engine

685
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: which was a little bit smaller too, and well, you know, well,

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Speaker 1: and I would say the takeaway here for me is

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Speaker 1: that Ford was kind of a big fat baby honestly,

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00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: you know, because Ferrari was doing them all since the

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Speaker 1: beginning and continue doing it in that fifty year uh span,

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Speaker 1: where Ford was not, and they only came back to

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Speaker 1: kind of thumb their nose at their old rivals again.

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Speaker 1: So it was like, you know, Ford too wanted to

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Speaker 1: make a point and he did it and then he

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Speaker 1: was kind of I'm out, So I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: would argue it's it's a little childish. He's just not

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Speaker 1: the kind of guy I would want to play Monopoly

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Speaker 1: or cards with. You know what I mean? I think

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Speaker 1: you have a Ruca Saul kind of figure. He could

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Speaker 1: take you no real hard. But this, this concludes one

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Speaker 1: of the one of the most ridiculous stories of pettiness

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Speaker 1: is spitefulness in racing. And I would argue that it

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Speaker 1: has a happy ending because the four g T is

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00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: a beautiful vehicle. Cool car, cool car, cool car, and

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Speaker 1: Ferraris are still too expensive for anyone to right. Right,

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Speaker 1: we do have someone in our building who owns a Ferrari.

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00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: I used to sneak up and look at it. Quick story.

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Speaker 1: I was on an emotional ruler coaster. Noal. I couldn't

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Speaker 1: decide if I liked the guy because one time I

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Speaker 1: went up there and he was double parked in a

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Speaker 1: parking spot and I thought, I get it, man, but

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Speaker 1: don't you know, don't don't buy the car. So I

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Speaker 1: did some investigation and Scott car Stuff co host did

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Speaker 1: some as well, and it turns out the guys paying

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Speaker 1: for both parking spots, So he's an ethical double Parker. Oh,

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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, that's that is a we got a

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Speaker 1: double happy ending here, he did. We did. Let us

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Speaker 1: know your position on double parking. Uh, let us know

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Speaker 1: if there are any particular car brands that when you

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Speaker 1: see them on the road, you immediately despise the owner. Ben,

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Speaker 1: I believe for you that is the Odyssey, Honda Odyssey, right,

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Speaker 1: that still hold true. Well, the thing about Honda Odyssey is,

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Speaker 1: I think when you buy it, the dealers give you

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Speaker 1: a discount if you agree to have a sensor installed

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Speaker 1: that makes your car go twenty miles an hour whenever

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Speaker 1: I'm in traffic with it. Yep, yeah, that's probably true.

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Speaker 1: Ridiculous a house to works dot com, social media, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter,

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Speaker 1: ridiculous history blasting through these because this was a long one,

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Speaker 1: but um thanks to super producer Casey Yeah, thanks to

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Speaker 1: Alex Williams who composed the track. Thanks to Henry Ford

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Speaker 1: too and Enzo Ferrari, and most importantly, thanks to you, folks,

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Speaker 1: and we hope you join us next time when Noel

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Speaker 1: and I are using our world famous time machine to

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Speaker 1: travel to the Wild West. Get along, little doggies,