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Speaker 1: The most interesting defense show, and by that I just

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Speaker 1: mean a defense you want to talk about. It's not

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Speaker 1: are not just ones that we find fascinating. In the

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Speaker 1: year twenty twenty five, partly inspired by a great piece

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Speaker 1: you wrote about on your sub stack that everyone should

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Speaker 1: back doing the podcast also with John Ledyard. You wrote

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Speaker 1: about the influence that Rex Ryan has had over this

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Speaker 2: I don't think they've quite seen the I think everyone

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Speaker 2: is well aware of the blit centric stuff in the league,

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Speaker 2: maybe some of the more granular stuff around similar depressions

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Speaker 2: and all these kind of buzzwords people use, and that

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Speaker 2: was all Rex's creation. Even Sabam will go and say

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Speaker 2: all of them have someone with an association to Rex.

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Speaker 2: Down to all the mad cap stuff Brian Flores is doing.

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Speaker 2: Jim Lennard, a guy who played under Rex, and will

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Speaker 2: Even guys like Fanjo as the league kind of moved

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Speaker 2: So when you get these unusual and orthodox guys bringing

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Speaker 3: All their playmakers.

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Speaker 2: Storm Duck is the one that makes me really cackle.

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Speaker 2: He's like getting a lot of hype and I truly

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Speaker 2: This is an undrafted pH agent from a year ago

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Speaker 2: No. I think one of the only reasons he's there

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Speaker 2: That was supposed to be kind of like zone based

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Speaker 1: And yet I hear all that and you're and you're right,

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Speaker 1: And I love hearing that what you're saying about Jack Jones,

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Speaker 3: Well, what about that? What about that play against the Chargers?

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Speaker 1: That was a play that was him making a play

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Speaker 1: like he's had some big time plays, but his strength

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Speaker 1: And yet, you know, just for people that are kind

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Speaker 1: Don't think you can expect him to be at his peak,

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Speaker 1: And you have Jordan Brooks at linebacker who's good for them,

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Speaker 1: and in Tyrold Dots and they brought in like there

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Speaker 1: are players here, So I like you picking them as interesting.

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Speaker 1: They were not on my long list, but you're right

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Speaker 1: they are. I don't want to just pick the best defense.

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Speaker 2: I just think they're too smart, too savvy. Now they've

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Speaker 3: I still have on Jeff.

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Speaker 2: No no, I am going down. My island is sinking.

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Speaker 1: Of Mina is the only one that I also have heard.

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Speaker 1: And if anyone's got to turn his career around, maybe

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Speaker 2: I have been a beloved believer for a long time.

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Speaker 2: This does happen with him and Nefri Camp he goes

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Speaker 2: Brian Floris, you go, Okay, Brian does way more football

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Speaker 1: the front. It's just so deep and I'm trying not

435
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Speaker 1: to fall for the thing of just like man, I

436
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Speaker 1: just like a lot of names. I like, how can

437
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Speaker 1: you not like a defense with DeMarcus Lawrence and Leonard

438
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Speaker 1: Williams on the same team. And then you do have

439
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Speaker 1: some younger players like like boy Mafe and we'll see

440
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Speaker 1: if a Chennon Nuoso gets healthy in terms of the

441
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Speaker 1: edge guys. But there's a lot of like really smart

442
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Speaker 1: football players. And yeah, you hope it's that combination of

443
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Speaker 1: continuity and talent that arrive in in year two, kind

444
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Speaker 1: of like you know they did in Baltimore for Mike McDonald,

445
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Speaker 1: because it took a little while for it to get

446
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Speaker 1: going there too.

447
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a weird one because I understand what you're

448
00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,800
Speaker 2: saying about that the guys couldn't pick up a linebacker,

449
00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,960
Speaker 2: but the system is purposely built to be kind of

450
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Speaker 2: idiot proof. That's how Mike McDonald does what he does.

451
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Speaker 2: He approaches defensive football the same way the offensive guys do,

452
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Speaker 2: where it's I've run the same stuff over and over again,

453
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Speaker 2: we just package it slightly different, so everything is really

454
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Speaker 2: easy to teach. And I don't have, you know, like

455
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Speaker 2: Spagnolo or Evans Joys have fifteen twenty different pressures for

456
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Speaker 2: every single front and everything that could get thrown at them.

457
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Speaker 2: McDonald isn't built that way. He's like, these are the

458
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Speaker 2: three for the week. We'll dress it up eight different

459
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Speaker 2: ways so it looks different to everyone else, so it's

460
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Speaker 2: really easy to get across. They just had no communication

461
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Speaker 2: between linebacker level and the front, even when Ernist, Joe

462
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Speaker 2: and Scott there. I actually thought that it was kind

463
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Speaker 2: of an easy out for everyone to write during the

464
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Speaker 2: season like, well he arrived, they got better, Whereas if

465
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Speaker 2: you watch them play, he was constantly all over the place,

466
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Speaker 2: communicating poorly, particularly to the front. He was really good

467
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Speaker 2: on the ball and impacting the game, particularly in coverage,

468
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Speaker 2: but actually getting people lined up was a real issue.

469
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Speaker 2: For them last season, So just being able to be

470
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Speaker 2: in the right spots, maybe being able to roll up

471
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Speaker 2: more of the of the old Baltimore system I think

472
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Speaker 2: will help. But they would they finish fourth in pressure

473
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Speaker 2: rate anyway, and they weren't running an awful lot of

474
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Speaker 2: the mcdonald' stuff back the end of the season. So

475
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Speaker 2: I think they can just go out and play base

476
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Speaker 2: football and hammer people, honestly, and then if they can

477
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Speaker 2: sprinkle some some new stuff on, that's maybe where they

478
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Speaker 2: get to that Mora league level.

479
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the biggest question to me is kind of the secondary,

480
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Speaker 1: the boomer bus nature of it. I think we know

481
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Speaker 1: who Devin Witherspoon is. You know, he's a great young player.

482
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Speaker 1: But you think of Rieke Wollen, and you think of

483
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Speaker 1: their draft pick Nick Emnwari, who they drafted to kind

484
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Speaker 1: of be a you know, safety, linebacker hybrid whatever he

485
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Speaker 1: is going to be. And those two guys have a

486
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Speaker 1: very high ceiling and they might have a low floor,

487
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Speaker 1: and then the depth behind them kind of at the

488
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Speaker 1: other outside corner spot, like right now it's Josh Job

489
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Speaker 1: in training camp and they're kind of searching a little

490
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Speaker 1: bit there. That the secondary just feels like a little

491
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Speaker 1: boomer bust potentially for me, Like, what do you think

492
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Speaker 1: about that?

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Speaker 3: That group in general?

494
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Speaker 2: I agree with you. I do think that the way

495
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Speaker 2: they play is really just like Sea bull get, which

496
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Speaker 2: should make it easier for everyone else. And having Witherspoon

497
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Speaker 2: means you can do some funky coverage stuff that can

498
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Speaker 2: kind of correct an awful lot of issues for you

499
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 2: and em and Warry just feels perfect to me. For

500
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Speaker 2: the first year. You may not be where we need

501
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Speaker 2: you to be in terms of all the different stuff

502
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Speaker 2: we want to do, but as a guy who is

503
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Speaker 2: just like head down, charge ahead, you know, I think

504
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Speaker 2: that he can have an impact for him. So there's

505
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Speaker 2: some concerns there. But if you just go throughout the league,

506
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Speaker 2: every single depth shot you look at you go out,

507
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 2: the cornerback room does not look so strong. I've been

508
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Speaker 2: trying to find who are the back in the roster,

509
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Speaker 2: guys you've maybe traded for, you'd you know, who are

510
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Speaker 2: going to get cut and it's worth giving them a shot.

511
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Speaker 2: A draft bussman that flamed out. It's really difficult to find.

512
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Speaker 2: All these teams feel one or two guys.

513
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Speaker 1: Shit, yeah, you're reminding me of a point I was

514
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Speaker 1: listening to a team specific podcast, I always want to

515
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Speaker 1: give a shout out to who I'm like getting some

516
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Speaker 1: of this information from. It's called Blue fifty eight and

517
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Speaker 1: the host of it does a great job. Is just

518
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Speaker 1: one guy talking about the Packers, and they were talking

519
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Speaker 1: about possible concerns of you know, what could be their

520
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Speaker 1: problem this year, and he was talking about the kind

521
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Speaker 1: of offensive line depth you know, betually County on. These

522
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Speaker 1: guys like Belton and Jordan Morgan are their first guys

523
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Speaker 1: off the bench, but they really don't know if they're

524
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Speaker 1: good or not in some of the depth in the

525
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Speaker 1: secondary too. And I'm just thinking that's every team, actually,

526
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Speaker 1: the Packers to be have like literally, there's not a

527
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Speaker 1: team that feels good. I was like, you've got high

528
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Speaker 1: drafted picks with a little bit of experience in as

529
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Speaker 1: your backups. That's actually a plus because there is no

530
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Speaker 1: team out there that feels good. And you're absolutely right

531
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Speaker 1: at the cornerback position. We went along a little bit there.

532
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Speaker 1: We've only had three teams so far. We're going to

533
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Speaker 1: take a quick break. It's why I don't think I'm

534
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Speaker 1: getting that job on first take. They don't want to

535
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Speaker 1: do like nine minutes on why Brian Flores is the

536
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Speaker 1: new Rex Ryan. But that's fine, We'll be back right

537
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Speaker 1: after this back on NFL Daily. And yeah, you mentioned

538
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Speaker 1: like the Brian Klores Rex Ryan influence. I was thinking, well, maybe,

539
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Speaker 1: I mean, not to be reductive, but in terms of

540
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Speaker 1: changing game plans week to week and showing up with

541
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Speaker 1: some crazy stuff, I mean, he's he's still showing the

542
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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick legacy. He is the next generation of Bill

543
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Speaker 1: Belichick on some level. I mean that was Belichick's advantage too,

544
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Speaker 1: back in the Yachts, the ability to change the game

545
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Speaker 1: plan that much on a week to week basis in

546
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Speaker 1: a way the other teams could not.

547
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Speaker 3: So Flores is maybe like the new generation Belichick.

548
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Speaker 2: Too, would that game a second job? Can Bill make

549
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Speaker 2: the call? Give him into a crack as a head

550
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Speaker 2: goat somewhere?

551
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Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think that's gonna help. I

552
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Speaker 3: don't think.

553
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Speaker 1: I don't think Bill can get a job in the

554
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Speaker 1: NFL anymore. Which is a crazy world we're living in.

555
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Speaker 1: But time comes for everyone, all right, Who should I

556
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Speaker 1: go with next? I'm going to choose a team, okay,

557
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Speaker 1: in the Packers that are interesting to me in a

558
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Speaker 1: way because they're not that interesting, like every year they

559
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Speaker 1: are the team for years, like where we looked at

560
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Speaker 1: and I thought, like, man, this is a top ten

561
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Speaker 1: talented defense, this is the defense. This is the year

562
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Speaker 1: it's finally going to happen for them, and then it

563
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Speaker 1: never happened. They're less than the some of their parts.

564
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Speaker 1: Everyone just blames Joe Berry. Well, Joe Berry has now

565
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Speaker 1: been gone for eighteen months, blames Joe Barry, and I

566
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Speaker 1: wanted to talk about him and see what you thought too, Olie,

567
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Speaker 1: because they just seem really important and I don't think

568
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Speaker 1: we've talked about them almost at all on this show,

569
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Speaker 1: like all off season. The Packers defense, they're just there.

570
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Speaker 1: And I don't know how many other defenses in the

571
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Speaker 1: NFL are literally starting four first round picks on the

572
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Speaker 1: defensive line, but the Packers are. And yet the expectations

573
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Speaker 1: are a little lower than they should be. To me,

574
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Speaker 1: you watched everything they did last year. Obviously some disappointing

575
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Speaker 1: play by like the personnel up front, But what did

576
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Speaker 1: you think about Jeff Hafley's influence coming from Boston College

577
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Speaker 1: back you know, into the NFL and coaching up this

578
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Speaker 1: Packers team and kind of what it means for where

579
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Speaker 1: they're at, because this is a team that some people

580
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Speaker 1: think will be in the Super Bowl, and I'm like,

581
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Speaker 1: is this a defense I can imagine in the Super Bowl?

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Speaker 2: That's the tricky thing. I was really down on the

583
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Speaker 2: Jeff Halfley high to begin with, and he impressed me

584
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Speaker 2: way more than my expectations were going into it. He

585
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Speaker 2: was way more innovative and creative than I'd given him

586
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Speaker 2: credit for coming to the team. It was a lot

587
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Speaker 2: of the best of of what we're talking about with

588
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Speaker 2: Minter McDonald and that style of system where it's pressure

589
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Speaker 2: in disguise and marrying pressure with disguise, and now I

590
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Speaker 2: think in game arounds from the fact they don't have

591
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Speaker 2: as many dynamic one on one winners as they should do.

592
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Speaker 2: Given they invested for first round picks in the defensive line,

593
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Speaker 2: given that their starting linebacking corps a first round pick

594
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Speaker 2: and a second round pick, you think it would just

595
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Speaker 2: be filled with dynamic one on one winners. They to

596
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Speaker 2: me to scream, as they have to be a takeaway

597
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 2: defense that they're not going to be able to pressure

598
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Speaker 2: quite consistently enough without it being a game plan based

599
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Speaker 2: pressure to be able to just take over a game

600
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Speaker 2: in the postseason. So relying on takeaways is like a

601
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Speaker 2: fun thing in theory. But even last year they're takeaways

602
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Speaker 2: where they started the season really hot. That was a

603
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Speaker 2: lot of like individually great place. It wasn't so much

604
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Speaker 2: like disguising and freaking out quarterbacks by scheme. So it's

605
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Speaker 2: tricky just bank on was Zavian McKinney is gonna have

606
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Speaker 2: two of the wildest interceptions you are ever going to

607
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Speaker 2: see in pro football, just as back to back weeks.

608
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Speaker 2: It's just difficult to bank on that the only thing

609
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Speaker 2: they really have that's like, okay, where there's the development

610
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Speaker 2: come from. I thought Nate Hobbs was a really smart,

611
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: savvy pickup in FRASI. And then it's Edge Cooper, who

612
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Speaker 2: I truly believe has a chance talent wise to be

613
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Speaker 2: the best linebacker in the NFL. Now whether that comes

614
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Speaker 2: along early enough is a real question. He is way

615
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Speaker 2: behind where you wanting to be. I know he got

616
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Speaker 2: an All Pro vote or whatever, but his eyes are

617
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 2: all over the place. He just is the quickest player

618
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Speaker 2: in the league from basically any level, like pound for pound,

619
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Speaker 2: the most explosive player in the league, and they've messaged

620
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Speaker 2: all off season. We've got this edge Cooper package, You've

621
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Speaker 2: got a Quie walk up package. You got to get

622
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Speaker 2: those guys way more involved in the pass rush. And

623
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Speaker 2: that's kind of a tell to me that one he

624
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 2: still can't do all just the fundamental things. So you

625
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 2: got to build a specific package and then two our

626
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 2: pastors isn't quite good enough that we have to build

627
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Speaker 2: a separate thing to get maybe our most impactful behind

628
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Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage player on the field. More.

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Speaker 1: That is fascinating on Cooper, and that linebacker group is

630
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Speaker 1: like a wild boom or bust group because you're saying

631
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Speaker 1: you think Edrin Cooper can be the best line in football.

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Speaker 1: Do you think he is a guy that's going to

633
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Speaker 1: be able to stay on the field every down and

634
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Speaker 1: like survive on passing downs?

635
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Speaker 3: You think he can become that player.

636
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Speaker 2: I think he'd become that play. The main thing for

637
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: the passing down is now all these guys thinking coverage

638
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 2: go through the best linebackers in the NFL. There's like

639
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: six good ones. That's basically it. So all to stay

640
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: on the field. Now, the most effective thing you can

641
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 2: do is be an effective blitzer and I think he's

642
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: going to become, if not this season, the following year,

643
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Speaker 2: the best blitzing linebacker in the NFL. So that is

644
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 2: already a wash that that works for us. We'll figure

645
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Speaker 2: the rest out in the back end. If we can

646
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Speaker 2: just get a coverage body on the field or we

647
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: put an extra defensive backfield, that's what we'll do. Being

648
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 2: able to blitz and drop is the name of the

649
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 2: game and just fall to the right spot and we'll

650
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: figure the rest out. That I think is should be

651
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: EASi and on the cards to him this season. It's

652
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: more of the subtleties and the wrong game and the communication.

653
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: No way, that's where he is just like pretty clueless. Still,

654
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: he is a straight line, you know, if the gap

655
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: is open, charged through the thing, and he does it

656
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: at frightening speed. It's more than the mechanics of the

657
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: position that I mean, it takes all these guys now

658
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: three years. It's why the linebackers fall so far in

659
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 2: the draft because they draw it as draft agay and

660
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 2: developed them over three seasons.

661
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: Right, And so for him to show you that and

662
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: show the Packers that first step and the explosive ability

663
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: just jumps.

664
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 3: Off the screen.

665
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: That they could have something really special in three or four,

666
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: but it might be the toughest position in the entire

667
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: NFL to adapt quickly. So I mentioned the four first

668
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: round picks just to name him. Rashan Gary, who's now

669
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: another year removed from another serious injury, and so maybe

670
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: he's got a little more juice. They kind of need

671
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: him to. Kenny Clark is coming off one of his

672
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: worst seasons. He was actually drafted by the Packers before

673
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: Brian Gooden Kutz. I believe he has been there a

674
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: long time. That was twenty sixteen. And then DeVante Wyatt

675
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: and Lucas van Ness and they could really use you know,

676
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,719
Speaker 1: Wyatt had improved play I think last year, and they

677
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: could really use him to keep progressing. And then they

678
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: could really use to get to something out of Lucas

679
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: van Ness and to help that pass rush. Kind of

680
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: this big, strong guy who hasn't really come through for

681
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: them so far. So that's up front, I guess if

682
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: you're looking at the upside, and I'm not as worried

683
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: about the cornerback position as some Packers fan. The safety

684
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: group of McKinney and Evan Williams is frisky and a

685
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: lot of fun. I mean, mckinnie's an All Pro and

686
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: Evan Williams I think was really interesting as a rookie.

687
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: And so that's maybe where this group could have a

688
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: little higher ceiling. How did you see how healthily kind

689
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: of used that group last year.

690
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not in any way concerned about the secondary. Honestly,

691
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 2: I think they'll be able to piece it together. We

692
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: just talked about the Vikings, who maybe the best events

693
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: in football are going to start, Jeff Akuda, who could

694
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 2: have been out the league at this point in his career.

695
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 2: The thing they lack is just speed off the ball

696
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: up from It's as simple that they don't have enough

697
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: explosive dip and rip speed. It's all power rushes, it

698
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: all takes an extra step that it needs to. It's

699
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: all f Lucas van ness or design pressure. I don't

700
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: know why they wouln't involved in the hassomritic thing over then,

701
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: like an organizational philosophical thing that we don't throw cash

702
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 2: it kind of want away for agents that that to

703
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: me is what they truly need. This secondary stuff is

704
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: it's all kind of coverage in disguise base and then

705
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: McKinney solves all our problems. That's kind of how they

706
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,479
Speaker 2: built the thing on the back end. And I think

707
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: McKinney is so talented that's not going to go away.

708
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: So long as they get they can up the quick

709
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: pressure rate, which is just really really poor last season.

710
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: For all the grief that the Giants' front office and

711
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: Joe Shane took for hard knocks and letting Saquon Barkley go,

712
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: they really didn't take enough grief for the Xavier McKinney

713
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: just let you walk and not.

714
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 3: Be interested total like that would have been a good

715
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 3: guy to heap too. They could really use him. All right,

716
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 3: you go, give me another defense that you find interested.

717
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: The Niners is the one for me where they are

718
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: the prototypical example in the off season of we write

719
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 2: down they have problem X, they address problem X with resources,

720
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 2: we assume that it's been solved. And I just don't

721
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: buy that this idea that they can stay in this

722
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: this base defense they have, which is to me now

723
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: just three years out of date with the rest of

724
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: the league. That they did back into the family tree

725
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 2: and they say, Bob Salah, please come back. And I

726
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: think Robert Sala's a good coach, but it just felt

727
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 2: like keeping everything within the family Robin trying to iterate

728
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: and try something different, and they want to still play

729
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: with a wide four down front, even on rundowns. And

730
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: they've just been cooked year after year. And so their

731
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 2: solution is, understandably, let's get younger and more athletic, and

732
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 2: we're going to draft all these guys, but those guys

733
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 2: are all going to play heavy snaps in year one.

734
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 2: And you just don't solve such a critical issue, which

735
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: is both structural based and personnel based, by saying we'll

736
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 2: throw three rookies on the field, they'll solve it for us.

737
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 2: It never works that way. The Rams were able to

738
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: get away with it slightly last season, but that's just

739
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 2: an anomaly. I just don't think you can bank on

740
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: our run defense, which triggers everything for us defensively, will

741
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: be fixed by three rookies.

742
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: Right, Michael Williams, you know great Edgesetter that take they

743
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: take top fifteen, and they're hoping that the young defensive

744
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: tackles Alfred Colin, CJ.

745
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 3: West.

746
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: We talked about CJ. West the forties and free agents

747
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: with Daniel Jeremiah. Everyone subscribed by the way this week

748
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: that he's had a good camp, but you're right, it's risky.

749
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: And I want to go back to what you said

750
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: about Robert Salah and you thinking that maybe that scheme

751
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: is a little out of date and isn't gonna bring

752
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: about the old, the good old days for the forty

753
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: nine ers, Like I think a lot of the fans,

754
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: why do you think.

755
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: That is playing in a four to five defense right

756
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: now in the league which other teams are doing. People

757
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 2: still take the Robert Salad influence. Not being involved in

758
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: kind of the blitz heavy or blitz in disguise world

759
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: where it basically all the other defenses we talked about

760
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: just feels like you're way too static for the modern

761
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 2: game and to do it. If you look at the

762
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: teams who are doing that, the Texans unbelievable defense, the

763
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: Eagles unbelievable defense, they're a bit more disguise based. In

764
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 2: the Niners. The thing they have is a lynch pin

765
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: maybe best player in our defense, Nickel Corner, who's offered

766
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: like a safety hybrid Cooper digit Jalen Petrie. Both of

767
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 2: them can truly play week sidelinebacker for you. So the

768
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 2: four to five can just blend into a four to

769
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 2: three whenever you need it to fixes the run game

770
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: element for you. You go through the Niners defense, they let

771
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: Telenoo Hafang go. I like j Brown, but he is

772
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: not just like a can play linebacker for you. They're

773
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 2: really excited about Upton Stout, a player I really really

774
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 2: like coming out of the draft, but he's five eight.

775
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: He's not gonna walk down for you and play linebackers.

776
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: So to just say you're going to play for an

777
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: even front in an era where all these offenses are

778
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 2: saying we are going to play two back power football,

779
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: We're going to pull a move everyone all the time.

780
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 2: We're it's not going to put the extra back on

781
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 2: the field, so we're going to overwhelm you up from

782
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: and you're saying we'll put four big guys down there

783
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: and try and match up with that. That's a reason

784
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: why no one else is doing that. Vic's not doing that,

785
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 2: none of these other teams are doing that. It works

786
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: for them in the passwish element. Structurally, I think it's

787
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: a real issue for them in the wrong game because

788
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: of the marriage of the safety to the front. And

789
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 2: I just don't believe Robert Sal's the kind of guy

790
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: who's going to have like a personality transplant overnight and

791
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 2: change the system. I could be wrong, and I hope

792
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: I'm wrong on that, and that he can change the

793
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 2: front on early downs and then switch it to the

794
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: traditional one for the passwhish. I just don't buy it

795
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: because they've kept it so in house now for so long.

796
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: Right it is, it's a crazy just changing of the guard.

797
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: If the forty nine ers of all teams like not

798
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: that they're not mentally and physically tough, but ultimately if

799
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: they can't hold up like up front, because to me,

800
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: when I think of them at their best, that that

801
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: that is what they're so great at. Is this just

802
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: like team of absolute beasts that will, you know, just

803
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: destroy you upfront. But the league is changing, I won't

804
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: throw out the Texans. Then I was thinking about the

805
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: Texans because just watching them on a week the week

806
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: basis like they are they are the most interesting, but

807
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: it's mostly just like their players are awesome.

808
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 3: All right, let's talk a little Texans. Their players are

809
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 3: just so awesome.

810
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: And then the combination of the like talent and just

811
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: the full field aggression that they play with is just

812
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 1: a treat to watch.

813
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean only the Eagles like that. It's just

814
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 2: so strange to watch a pro game and see like

815
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: a different level of speed of physicality. Like I always

816
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 2: think back to the Eagles versus the pack is in

817
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: the playoffs, and it's like they look so much quicker,

818
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 2: more athletic. This is the pros that shouldn't happen, and

819
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 2: you see that way. I think the Texans all time

820
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: that secondary is outrageous. I don't know how they've been

821
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 2: able to get away with that. That could be like

822
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: the best position group of any in the league that's

823
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 2: not quarterback to Kayleb Bullock is going to become a

824
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 2: super duper star. I think this season Petree is probably

825
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 2: the most impactful nickel corner in the league for a

826
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,919
Speaker 2: team who's running that same system as the Niners. He's

827
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: the most impactful player. And that's on the defense that

828
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: has Derek Stingley, that has Kamari Luster, that now has

829
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: Chauncey Gardner Johnson, that's got the two edge rushes who

830
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,959
Speaker 2: are probably the two most famous names that they haven't

831
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 2: are both really impactful too. So it's just whya to why.

832
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 2: It's like just talent everyone.

833
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: And they have the thing which this is where I'm basic,

834
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: and I don't know if this translates as much on film.

835
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: Maybe it doesn't. I do think with defenses, you can

836
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: see there is a real quality of which defense is

837
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: just playing faster and harder. It was one of the

838
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: reasons why I wasn't totally shocked by the run of

839
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: the Bengals a few years ago, because even early in

840
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: that season they weren't a perfect defense, but they just

841
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: played with such an aggression and speed that even though

842
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: they were average, like that makes up for like below

843
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: average talent, and the Texans are enviable. They have the

844
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: best of both worlds where I think they have that

845
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: in spades, and they have like the best players too

846
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: that if we were ranking the teams, I think ultimately

847
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 1: I would have to go with Texans.

848
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 3: It's just like my favorite to be number one.

849
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the two deep is maybe a little rough

850
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 2: and it's a It's another team that kind of rattles

851
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: through players outside the secondary. The TD doesn't look quite

852
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 2: as strong as it did do last year, but just

853
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 2: like the front line starts as it would be impossible

854
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: to come up with a group that has a better

855
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: fall down as they do in a better secondary group.

856
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: Okay, one group I would say is close at least

857
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: up front is the Steelers, So I'll throw out them

858
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: as my next one. The Texans were We'll throw them

859
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: into so because to me, this is a big season

860
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: for Tomlin, because it's like, okay, like let's go you.

861
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: You you do have everything I think that you really

862
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: would want. You have that this older group of great

863
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: players like Cam Hayward and Jalen Ramsey, and I'd even

864
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: throw TJ.

865
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 3: Watt at this point.

866
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: He's obviously getting paid a lot of money, but you

867
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: know he has less great years ahead of him than

868
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: he has behind him. Darius Slay is there, and then

869
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: you do have a nice younger group like you you

870
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: want Nick Herbrigg and Joey Porter Junior.

871
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 3: To step up.

872
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 1: Keanu Benton's a fun player. They're talking up Peyton Wilson,

873
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: this second year linebacker a lot, and so you have

874
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: like this nice mix. High Smith is right in the

875
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 1: middle of his peak to me, got everything you want.

876
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: If Mike Tomlin is, is that dude right now? Like

877
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: they kind of they need to be great, I think

878
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: because of their offense, and they do have the potential

879
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 1: to be great, like I'm not totally buying that it's

880
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: going to happen, but they kind of have to be

881
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 1: great and the and the potential is absolutely there.

882
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 3: So I am fascinated to watch this defense this year.

883
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 2: I mean, they should be dominant. You put that front

884
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: four on the field, and as you mentioned, you can

885
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 2: roll in Nick Herbig, who may be the most on

886
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 2: the rate to play in all football. It's just like

887
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 2: get off the ball, bounce, dip and rib sub rusher,

888
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: probably as good as it gets in the league. You

889
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: mentioned high Smith too, Benton. So the front four is unbelievable.

890
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 2: And that's before you get to Harmon who they take

891
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 2: in the first round, and we'll see if he can

892
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 2: give some in out versatility. The thing I've always putted

893
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 2: heads with them about is that it's just not creative

894
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 2: enough with the personnel you have. It really is, we

895
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 2: roll out the same guys doing the same stuff and

896
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: will out talent you and they keep getting away with

897
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: it because they have an unbelievable amount of talent. It

898
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: just feels like they're leaving stuff on the table. They

899
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 2: were just a little bit more chaotic, a little bit

900
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: more interesting in stuff like moving TJ. Watter around. We

901
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: watch how many of these defenses where Miles Garrett is

902
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 2: lining up doing the basketball crossover over the center, that

903
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 2: these teams go and hunt matchups and the steels like no.

904
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: TJ does his thing over and over again, lines up

905
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: in the same spot, hits the same move, and if

906
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 2: it hits, it hits. If it doesn't, it doesn't. I

907
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 2: just wish they were more forceful in trying different, more

908
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: creative things. And when you get a guy like Jayalen

909
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 2: Ramsey who is like, we can put him anywhere on

910
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 2: the field at any time. He's in LA, he's playing

911
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 2: dime lineback, you can play in and Nicola can play

912
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: at safety. They have every opportunity to be as creative

913
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 2: as they want in the front and the secondary, and

914
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: I just know in my bones they will roll out

915
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: the same system over and over again.

916
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey is one of those guys that I buy

917
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: camp Pipe. I do buy that they're gonna get the

918
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: last like great year from Jalen Ramsey because he is

919
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: just an all time great but also gonna be as

920
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: excited and ready to make it count.

921
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 3: He is just one of those players.

922
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: It is what it is that like we've seen some

923
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: players like this in NFL history that are in the

924
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, that their first year in a new

925
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: spot every time is awesome. And I know he's getting older,

926
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: but I think they'll know how to use him. When

927
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: you say you butted heads with the Steelers, is that

928
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,959
Speaker 1: like in your own head or you actually getting grief

929
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: from them?

930
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: Like getting grief. I've written about Tera lost in a

931
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: couple of times, and one of them was complimentary, and

932
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 2: he was more upset with the complimentary one than he

933
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: was the one where I tried to go in at him.

934
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 2: They've done stuff, which is all the stuff I wrote

935
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: about in that rexpiece she mentioned of kind of the

936
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: trends of defensive football. They've tried to keep up with

937
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: some parts of that, which I think is good and admirable,

938
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: mostly in like when you call stuff essentially, but the

939
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 2: under the hood things, the changing the design and the

940
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 2: defense is just the exact same as it's been now

941
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 2: for ten to eleven, twelve seasons. And I'm more pleading

942
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: with them. And that's where Tara Lustin got upset. It's like,

943
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: I think you can be even better. You're excellent, but

944
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: there's more hit and they just refuse to do it.

945
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 3: Now, do they ever get personal with you? Like, who

946
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 3: do you think you are?

947
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, oh yeah, I love that.

948
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: But you know why they're responding because they know you

949
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: know ball and it does hit, and they obviously know

950
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: an incredible amount about football and have the reasons for

951
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 1: doing what they're doing. But I think it's because you're

952
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: hitting a nerve that they have to think about these

953
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: things and that's why they're respunny. All Right, we were

954
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: getting towards the end, So let's do a team from

955
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: you that you just need to have in this show.

956
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 2: Interesting is the Bengals okay, because their entire approach to

957
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 2: the off season it was lose full. It was Louke

958
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 2: but not gonna do anything. We'll draft Shamas to you it.

959
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: Then we'll we'll mess around with bring him into camp.

960
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 2: We're not gonna give Trey Hendrickson an extension. Everything that

961
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 2: went wrong last year was Lunarumo and I'll go them

962
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: we'll fix it. And I don't buy that premise in

963
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: the slightest.

964
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: I I I guess I'm hoping for like the old

965
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: lu an Arumo not fixed, but like I was talking

966
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: about that, just not trying harder, but something new, like

967
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: they're doing things in a different way. There is some

968
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: new blood. They're saying Jamar Stewart's having a great camp.

969
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 1: But is that because the tackles for the Bengals protect

970
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: We don't know. We will see they do have. It

971
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: is a young defense. But yeah, I'm hoping just for

972
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: the sake of like the entertainment of the NFL. I

973
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: like the Bengals being good and I want the Wesleyan

974
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 1: brothers to be happy that that is the way it happens.

975
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: But maybe that's not convincing enough. It certainly isn't for

976
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: you that you don't think the talent's there.

977
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 2: No, I don't think the talent said. It's just frustrating

978
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: when you are so clearly in a championship window and

979
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: it's just like, can we get something to support Borrow

980
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: in the passing game? Well, it's not going to be

981
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: the wrong game. Well it's not gonna be the offensive line.

982
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: Can you at least get some kind of complimentary defense.

983
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 2: Either we have a loaded secondary that takes the ball

984
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: away so we can go into Arrowhead and beat them

985
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 2: in a postseason game, or our secondary is cut, but

986
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 2: we at least have a front and it's just there's

987
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 2: nothing there, and to not even try and make some

988
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 2: aggressive moves that I just find so frustrating. And I'm

989
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: a big al Golden fan. I think he's a fantastic coach.

990
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 2: But even as like Great Defenses has been, I have

991
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: so many players I go package by package throughout the game,

992
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 2: and that's kind of my special source. You can't do

993
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: that in the Pros. It's stuff to just roll package

994
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 2: by package because you don't take Trey Hendrickson off the

995
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 2: field in the Pros. He's just better than everyone else

996
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 2: on your team. So even the thing that makes him

997
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: a really great coach is just difficult to replicate at

998
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 2: this level and even more difficult to replicate with that

999
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: roster when it's just pretty clear who should be on

1000
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 2: the field and who shouldn't.

1001
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: Be, and they're really counting on their rookies, like they

1002
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: need some mar Stewart to hit, And he was the

1003
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: guy that you looked at that thought that you thought

1004
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,919
Speaker 1: immediately like, oh that's gonna work day one. Demetrius Knight

1005
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: is a second round linebacker that they really need to hit.

1006
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: I know you have your your doubts on him, all right,

1007
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 1: we're gonna We're gonna jam in at least one more team.

1008
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 3: It should it be the Ravens or the Cardinals? Who

1009
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:15,879
Speaker 3: do you want to talk about more?

1010
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 2: The Cardinals like my most fun beloved team in the league.

1011
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: I think why is but the fascinating element of them?

1012
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 2: And I wrote a long piece people who read about

1013
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 2: Jonathan Gannon is this weird headspace he now exists in

1014
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 2: between the Jonathan Gannon I think he is like at

1015
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 2: hop and the Jonathan Gannon he had to be last

1016
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 2: season to get through a season in which he had

1017
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: zero talent on his defense outside of Buddha Baca, and

1018
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 2: he's rolling out a CFL roster and him and the

1019
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 2: staff again together for we've being like, how on earth

1020
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 2: do we couple all the way through this? And they

1021
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: run the wackiest defense, including Brian Flores, in the league

1022
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 2: probably that we've seen in like a good six seven,

1023
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 2: eight years in terms of just the different stuff that're

1024
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 2: throwing at every week, really really creative. And then they

1025
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 2: put all the investment in the front of this offseason

1026
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: and the greatiff stuff was really successful for them. Last year.

1027
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 2: It was different. People couldn't keep up with it. They

1028
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 2: confused some of the best quarterbacks in the game over

1029
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 2: and over again without having talent. And my thought the

1030
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: season is, well, is it better to persist with that

1031
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 2: stuff with more talent. You're confusing people, you're wrecking shop

1032
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 2: by design, and you have better players executing. Or does

1033
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 2: he revert back to seeing because they ran in Philadelphia

1034
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 2: the most passive Monday defense in football and it was

1035
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: we have eight dominant pass rushes and we'll just roll

1036
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 2: for him and no one can keep up, and we'll

1037
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 2: break the sack record. Is he just going to having

1038
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 2: put all that investment in the roll back to the blandest,

1039
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: most boring Jonathan Gannon defense ever? Or is he had

1040
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 2: this kind of like ayahuasca trip and now he's kind

1041
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 2: of into the cool creative events Joseph Brian Flores Bold Well,

1042
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 2: it's got.

1043
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 3: To be a mix of both.

1044
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: But I think the talent's not good enough to just

1045
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: rely on it, and you're leaning a little more heavily

1046
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: on that on the creativity, and I think it's a

1047
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: great way to think about great coaching and great defenses.

1048
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: It's is not being able to be creative and just

1049
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: do the most with least like one time it's all right,

1050
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: how can you adapt the next season your plan to

1051
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: your new players? How can you do it season after

1052
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: season after season. It's a young staff too, so I

1053
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: think of them in their third season, and I think

1054
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: what they've done has been impressive overall. Nick Ralis their

1055
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator who named his son, you know, after Kaiser White,

1056
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: and Kaiser White doesn't have a job right now, I mean.

1057
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 3: What's happened? First of all? Can we get Kaiser White

1058
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 3: a job? What's happening, Holly?

1059
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: We should get can he not be? Like? Can you

1060
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: not be on the coaching staff?

1061
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: Nick Glo's always been one of my sneaky favorite players.

1062
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure why. I just like the way

1063
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: he played. I'm confused why he doesn't have a job.

1064
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's that, it's that maturation. I think it's

1065
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: it's such a fascinating team, I think on both sides

1066
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: of the ball, but especially defense, of like where they

1067
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: go in the year three. All right, let's wrap with

1068
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: the Ravens then, because like Zach Orr in his first

1069
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: year with the Ravens takes over as defensive coordinator and

1070
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: there was this narrative Dean Pce shows up and you know,

1071
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: I think the bigger thing was Kyle Hamilton, you know,

1072
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: kind of changes where he's at it on the defense

1073
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: and helps to prevent some of the mistakes that were happening.

1074
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 1: And it was interesting this offseason I noticed Chuck Smith,

1075
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: another one of their assistants, almost unprompted, was kind of like,

1076
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: stop giving Dean Priest so much credit more or less

1077
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: said it without saying it to be fair, like these

1078
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: are coaches that are smart about it. He was like,

1079
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: Zach's the dude, Zach is you know the reason why

1080
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: it turned around? Like he kind of was saying, everyone's

1081
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: giving Dean piece of credit. Now you get that, you

1082
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: gotta be careful Dean. I went and checked. Dean P's

1083
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: is not employed by the Ravens officially anymore. He is

1084
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: like a consultant. He might like help a little, but

1085
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: he's not. He's not part of their coaching staff. But

1086
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: his son is Matt Peace, which is just very NFL.

1087
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: But Zach Orr's back there, Chuck Bogano's back there, and

1088
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: more importantly, I do think it's the best defensive.

1089
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 3: Back room around Kyle Hamilton.

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00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: I kind of think of Hamilton as the f It's

1091
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 1: the best room around him since he's been in the NFL,

1092
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: and we're just waiting, Like what Ravens fans, I know

1093
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: they're thinking, why is this gonna You're gonna be any

1094
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: different than any other? To me, the reason would would

1095
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: maybe be year two of Zach Orr. Tell me if

1096
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: you think this can happen, and the defensive backs kind

1097
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: of having that year two lead maybe like Mike McDonald

1098
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: did as the coordinator for the Ravens too.

1099
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: The defensive bag field I'm a little bit more worried

1100
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 2: about than you. I think I'm not quite sure all

1101
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 2: the pieces fit together cohesively. It's really fun to think

1102
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 2: of always we're very versatile. Kyle Hamilton could play anyway

1103
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: and Malic I star his complaining It's like, well it's

1104
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: third down, what's gonna line up? Who has stood wet?

1105
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 2: It's like really fun to off the flexpiece until you

1106
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 2: just gotta play for a game to beat the Bills

1107
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 2: in Buffalo, So okay, who stood wet? And they feel

1108
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 2: more versatile than they do, like we just have great

1109
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 2: plays in each spot. To me, I'm sold on jyr

1110
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 2: Alexander getting through the entire season and being anywhere near

1111
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 2: the player of old and.

1112
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: Now I'm buying the Jalen Ramsey thing for him too.

1113
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: But that it's a their point. There's a reason why

1114
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: he only got a four million dollar contract.

1115
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 3: It's a huge, huge risk. That's fair to point out.

1116
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 2: They're big turnaround last season. I don't want to bore

1117
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: people on this show with the talk of communication systems

1118
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 2: on defense. Trust me, I understand how boring that is.

1119
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 2: But that is what happened last season is they move

1120
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 2: Kyle Hamilton, bag completely remade the communication system. They couldn't

1121
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 2: line up last season. That was like the main issue

1122
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: Zach All was running someone else's defense incorrectly. They move

1123
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 2: Kyle Hamilton back, they stripped it to the bare bones.

1124
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 2: They switch how they communicate, they put it into three

1125
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: phases rather than two phases. All of a sudden, they

1126
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 2: press of the defense is really good. So that to

1127
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 2: me is just done and you can you can roll

1128
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 2: forward with the end of the season being a true

1129
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 2: representation of what it will be going forward, and they

1130
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 2: can I think just out talent people. I think that's

1131
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 2: so explosive in the front. What they can do with

1132
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 2: moving Hamilton stocks around is exciting. Even if I've got

1133
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 2: some some like man coverage reservations on third down, probably

1134
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 2: more so than the most other people. So I don't

1135
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 2: see any reason why it wouldn't again be one of

1136
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 2: the top ten defense in the NFL. I just wonder

1137
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: quite where the ceiling isn't exactly who is going to

1138
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 2: be on the field, where in the key spots.

1139
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Madam Weeke, who was was good last year, but

1140
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: maybe not as good as he was the year before.

1141
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 1: Travis Jones, like how they play upfront is obviously massive

1142
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: for this team. A Dafeoa who's in a free agent year.

1143
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: Kyle van Noy is still there, one of the most

1144
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: underpaid players in football. And you know, when you think

1145
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: about that Bill's game, I'm glad you point out like

1146
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 1: they will just have to stop them. They did give

1147
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: up what was it, I think three touchdowns in their

1148
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: first four drives. One was a short ish field, but

1149
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: the defense was the bigger reason they lost that game.

1150
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think them improving this year is the

1151
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: best hope they have. I think they're going to be

1152
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: my Super Bowl pick. So I was hoping you would

1153
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: support me in that, and it didn't really feel like it.

1154
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 2: I think they can be very good. The most interesting

1155
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 2: part of them to me is Roquon. Roquon was pretty

1156
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 2: terrible for almost all of last season, honestly, and you've

1157
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 2: got a maiden name on being just like fining it down.

1158
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 2: Yet No, he was like fla out for most of

1159
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 2: the season. The communication issues were his issues. They had

1160
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 2: to take a lot of the calls off him because

1161
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 2: they couldn't get lined up properly. So if they fixed

1162
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 2: some of that towards the back off season, he can

1163
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 2: get back to even eight percent of the play he

1164
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: was at the true peak of his powers, then that

1165
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 2: would be pretty transformational for him.

1166
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: And I you know, I'm open about it, and Okay,

1167
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: that makes me feel good in a way that to me,

1168
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: I'll view positively that like there is a ceiling for

1169
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: Rokan Smith to be the best version of himself, which

1170
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: makes this defense way better. And yeah, I like to root.

1171
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 1: I like to pick something that I'm gonna want to

1172
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: be rooting for too. So last year it was the

1173
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: Bills to win the Super Bowl, which I felt like

1174
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: I had a pretty good shot, didn't didn't quite get

1175
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: there in the end. But this year it's like I

1176
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: don't need I don't need another Eagles, Chiefs.

1177
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 3: Eagles are fun to watch, but I.

1178
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 2: Don't even I think I've picked the Ravens. Four yers

1179
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 2: in a row. I want to get so really.

1180
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: I've ever picked the Ravens. So that's why I feel

1181
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: like this is going to be my year. It's going

1182
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: to be your year too. I'llie Connolly putting out some

1183
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:01,080
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1184
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,560
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1185
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:05,719
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1186
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 3: Thank you Allie, appreciate you.

1187
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 2: Thanks Bob.

1188
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: All Right, we will be back. It's a little different

1189
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: this week. Forties and free agents will be dropping in

1190
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: your feed. We're gonna be talking some AFC West, me

1191
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 1: and Daniel Jeremiah. That's on Friday, and then we got

1192
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: a little extra episode. We're gonna go talk to some

1193
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: of the players, talk NFC South and talk with the

1194
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: Saints and yeah, like when we're working for an entirely

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Speaker 1: new company, Football's back.