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Speaker 1: because as we get ready for the Final four, we're

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Speaker 1: All right, let me get to this. The final four

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Speaker 1: what's pointed out is, Yes, players are important. Okay, no

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Speaker 1: incredibly successful. Bill selfs won like twenty Big twelve titles

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Speaker 1: me when I said he would be the next head coach.

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Speaker 1: I I didn't know what what happens with Hubert is

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Speaker 1: He's such a nice, genuine, thoughtful human being that there

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Speaker 1: he is with his commentary, Like I don't know, he's

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Speaker 1: a good dude. It's still Carolina. Why wouldn't you go

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Speaker 1: I thought what Bill self did and changing the matchups

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Speaker 1: you know, to learn what it really means to to

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00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,239
Speaker 1: run a program on a on a daily basis, you know,

429
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: whether it's from a planning standpoint, as you said, managing

430
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: a staff, um, you know, dealing with players. Now as

431
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 1: a head coach, um, and really just trying to make

432
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: sure that the program, you know, ran smoothly while around

433
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 1: was was on a medical leave and trying to just

434
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 1: get healthy. What's that like though, to be a I

435
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 1: mean for a period of time you were the head coach?

436
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: What who would you play your first game? Uh? First

437
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 1: game we played Florida A and m okay. So, UM,

438
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 1: what do you remember about the whole process? I'll be honest,

439
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 1: it's kind of a a blur in terms of the

440
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 1: lead up. The thing I'll say is, you know, Hawaii

441
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: is in a unique place because of and you know

442
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: this um, just because of the media presence you know,

443
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: and and um, you know, there is no pro sports

444
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 1: on the island obviously, UM, so they treat their you know,

445
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: whether it's basketball or football or or UM men's or

446
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 1: women's volleyball at the university. I mean that is the

447
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: pro sport. UM. So I'm forever like grateful in UM,

448
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: what an unbelievable experience it was for me in terms

449
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: of like dealing with the media, UM, you know, and

450
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 1: I think that really kind of prepared me and made

451
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 1: me feel at ease for this UM. But what I

452
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: kind of remember to the lead up of the first

453
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: game was just that kind of dealing with the media,

454
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: learning how to you know, handle stuff on that end. UM.

455
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 1: And then the first game, I'll be honest, I do

456
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: not remember a whole lot about it. I know it was,

457
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit ugly in the first half.

458
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: I think we wound up women by like eighteen or

459
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: twenty UM and it was it was a three game

460
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: tournament that we were in. I know we played them

461
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,640
Speaker 1: in the first night. One we played South Dakota who

462
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: had uh A mood A who transferred to Arkansas in

463
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: the in the second game, and then we played Pacific

464
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: out of the w c C and one one a

465
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: crazy game on on uh kind of a last second

466
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: play against Damon Stottemeyer in the third game. That's crazy.

467
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: UM show you come to stam Fancisco this year. What's

468
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 1: Todd like in comparison? What was Todd liking comparison to

469
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 1: everybody else you would work for? UM? Well, Number one, Todd,

470
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 1: Todd and I had an amazing just connection and our

471
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: relationship kind of grew from when I was in insisting

472
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 1: at San Diego. UM. And you know, there's always one

473
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: or two guys in the league that whether it's bouncing

474
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: ideas off of or you know, talking about recruiting or scheduling.

475
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: He was always one of those guys that, um, you know,

476
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 1: it's just a natural kind of connection. And so we

477
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 1: spoke a lot, you know, we we took a few

478
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: trips to Europe at the same time to recruit UM.

479
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: And when you're obviously in a in a foreign country,

480
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 1: you you kind of grab on and gravitate to two

481
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: guys who are from where you're from. UM, So we

482
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time in Europe, you know, just

483
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: talking about the game, talking about philosophies, UM, and uh,

484
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: just the bomb was kind of built there. So when

485
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: we started to have conversation about coming here, it was really,

486
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 1: um a no brainer for for me because I knew

487
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 1: that the way that we viewed the game, I knew

488
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: with him being super analytically driven, that was something that

489
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: I was drawn to and and kind of felt the

490
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: same way. And um again, and our our philosophies just

491
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: kind of aligned, and we were at a strong friendship.

492
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: So I just thought it was something where um, you know,

493
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: maybe I could provide a different perspective, you know, coming

494
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: here and and with a team that we thought could

495
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: be an n c double A tournament team, and UM,

496
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: he was just he He's amazing to work for. I

497
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: can't say enough. How so, how so what what specifically

498
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: makes um? You know, everybody's different and there's a million

499
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: different ways to skin a cat, but UM, you know,

500
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 1: Todd has a unique ability um to really just let people, um,

501
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: you know, kind of shine in the role. You know.

502
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: And and he's not a micromanager. UM. He's just somebody

503
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: that really allows you to be yourself, um, and to

504
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: bring what you bring to the table. And um, there's

505
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: really no ego with him. UM. You know, I felt

506
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: like I was coaching the team with him, um, and

507
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: he was the boss obviously, but um, it just was

508
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: an unbelievable working relationship. UM, something where I just enjoyed,

509
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: you know, stepping foot in the office you know, every

510
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: day and and just being in the fight with them.

511
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: He's he's as down to earth human as you're gonna find, um,

512
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: you know in this profession. Um, what's that like preparing

513
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: for the n c A tournament and knowing that there's

514
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: all these job rumors out there. Yeah, that was that

515
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: was Uh, it was it was interesting, you know, and

516
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,479
Speaker 1: and um, it was a lot to juggle, you know,

517
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,719
Speaker 1: obviously a lot of that stuff, some in speculations, some

518
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: as rumors, some is some of the things that we

519
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: were hearing obviously turned out to be truth. Um. And

520
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: I think he did a really good job of trying

521
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: to kind of kill the noise and and to stay

522
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: focused on on what we were trying to do. Um.

523
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: But he had a he had a long week, you know,

524
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: leading up to that to that Murray State game. Um,

525
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: you know, just for the amount of phone calls he had,

526
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: not only from the media, but with with the job

527
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: inquiries and and the things that he was doing on

528
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: that front. So, um, it was a lot. Um. But

529
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: it obviously that's why you coach, you know, to put

530
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,959
Speaker 1: yourself in those positions. And I thought, um, you know,

531
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,479
Speaker 1: he handled it as well as you can handle it

532
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: being in that situation. So he gets the Florida job.

533
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: What was the process for you, like getting this the

534
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: USF job? Yeah, I mean this is a crazy story,

535
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: probably one that would be a chapter in a book. Um,

536
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: But I knew, I knew he was gonna accept the job,

537
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: had a feeling he was going to accept the job

538
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: before we played the game. So um, after did he

539
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: tell you, like, did he tell you hate Florida. Yeah,

540
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: we had some conversations and which kind of led me

541
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: to believe that that was gonna happen. UM. And you know,

542
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: obviously those kind of things stay you know between us, um,

543
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: between him and I at the time. But UM, so

544
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: the next morning, you know, we lose a game, in

545
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: a unbelievable back and forth game, heartbreaking game to lose

546
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: the way that we did them re state UM. And

547
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: we get on the charter early in the morning and

548
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: it's it's us and our our president, our vice president,

549
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: our athletic director and some donors and our team. UM.

550
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: And we're on the plane and Todd comes back and

551
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: he sits next to me and he says, Hey, I'm

552
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: just giving your heads up. I'm I'm about to go

553
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: sit with the A D and and let her know

554
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: that I've been offered and accepted the job at Florida. UM.

555
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: And it was an emotional conversation because of how much

556
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: I care for him and vice versa, but was extremely

557
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: happy for him. So this started this musical chairs thing

558
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: that went on on the plane for about the next

559
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: al and a half. So he told the a D.

560
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, I'm going up to sit with

561
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: the a D. The a D lets me know that

562
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: she feels really good about trying to keep things in

563
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: the house and wants to, um, you know, offer me

564
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: the job to be the next head coach. She then

565
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: on the plane, so then she we we do. So

566
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: the rumors and the speculation are already going at this point.

567
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: So there, how did how did first? How did how

568
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: did Todd handle with the players? Um? He one by

569
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: one made his way back through the plane, and he

570
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: he didn't plan to do it that way. Um. This

571
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: literally was the first starter that we had been on

572
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: all year that had WiFi on the charter. So UM,

573
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: it made it for a unique experience for sure. I

574
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: think we thought that we would just touched down and

575
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: get back to San Francisco and then everything would be

576
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: out there. UM. But you know, it's kind of unique

577
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: that it wasn't. Some of the players were first to

578
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: see it, then some of the donors, and so it

579
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: just kind of you know, you know how it does

580
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: on a plane. It just it was like whisper down

581
00:31:53,080 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: the lane. Um. So it was super surreal and unique experience. UM.

582
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: And then fast forward our our a d made her

583
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: way to the front of the plane, spoke to the

584
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: Vice president and the president, and within ten minutes, fifteen minutes,

585
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: she's coming back telling me to go get up to

586
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: the front of the plane. So I sat in the

587
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: middle of the president and the Vice president for about

588
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: thirty minutes and we had a really good, really good

589
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: conversation about just the vision of the program going forward. UM.

590
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: And you know, they had basically let me know that

591
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: they had faith and trust in me. And Uh, make

592
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: my way to back to the plane and I've got

593
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: my better half who she's crying now, Todd Golden's wife

594
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: is crying. I didn't know if we're going to a

595
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: funeral or a celebration. It was like the most unique

596
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: claim ride UM that I've ever been on. UM. But

597
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: by the time we had touchdown back in San Francisco, UM,

598
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: it was known that I was going to be the

599
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: next head coach. So what do you do? What's what's

600
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: your first of course of action? I think, UM, you know,

601
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: there are a lot of moving parts obviously with with

602
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: Todd taking the job of you know, who's gonna stay

603
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: on staff, who's gonna who's gonna go with him. Um.

604
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: You know that was kind of the first thing that

605
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: that popped into my mind was just trying to you know,

606
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: get that situation. Um. You know, handled as as quickly

607
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: and as smoothly as we could. Um. But my my

608
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: first thing was just the players in the program. You know,

609
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: there there's no one more important. I don't care whether

610
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: it's a potential staff member or a potential recruit. To me,

611
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: the most important people are the people who are with

612
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,479
Speaker 1: you in the fight in your program. So um, you know,

613
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: the first thing I did was just spend a lot

614
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: of time with the guys in the program, um, and

615
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: just make sure that that they were on solid footing,

616
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: that they understood kind of what the plan was for

617
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: them moving forward. Um, and just how much I believed

618
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: in them. And and you know, one of the have

619
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: a chance to coach him. How do you get it

620
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: to maintain this level? Because this is unique? Right You

621
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: had Mussalski who did not play in the n c

622
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: A tourmain that that's that was a game changer for

623
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: me when you guys played Murray, he had such a

624
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: good year and he's become such a good player. Uh,

625
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: you know, Jamari Boullier. Obviously everybody respects him, but you

626
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: know you have guys like that. Um, you lose a

627
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: bunch from this team. And you know, I mean, Jamar,

628
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: you've been there five years, Like you lose every you know,

629
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: so much of the culture and the scoring. How do

630
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: you maintain it at this level? That's a great question. UM.

631
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: You know, I think the first order of business, and

632
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: to be as transparent as I can be is is

633
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: you know, trying to get Khalil Shabaz here for another year. UM.

634
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 1: And I feel really good about where that's moving. Um.

635
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: He's a guy who I think has a chance to

636
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: be a face of the program, you know, moving for word. UM.

637
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: And I still think there's a lot of room left

638
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: for him to grow as a player. UM. But he

639
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: he's kind of where I start. UM. There's nobody who

640
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: I would want to go into battle with more than him. UM.

641
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: For being five ft nothing, um in a hundred and

642
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: you know, seventy five pounds or whatever he is, he

643
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 1: has the biggest heart of anyone I've been around, uh

644
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: in college basketball. So UM, I think with guys like him,

645
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: guys like Julian Rishwaine who played a lot of a

646
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 1: lot of minutes, um, and other guys in the program

647
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: who are gonna return. I think we have a solid nucleus.

648
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: You know, it's a matter of, as you said, addressing

649
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: the needs upfront. Obviously, Missofsky turned into a beast. And

650
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: it's kind of what I saw when I recruited him

651
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: at San Diego, you know, was that he could develop

652
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: into something like that. And he had a hell of

653
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: a year. Uh. And pat Tepe was kind of sneaky.

654
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: You know. People forget about him in terms of what

655
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: he brought from, especially you from a defensive standpoint. Um.

656
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: You know, so we're gonna we're living in the portal obviously,

657
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: drawing on all our you know, ties and and our

658
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: our relationships that we have to try to stay old

659
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: and stay experienced. Um. And then got to add, you know,

660
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 1: an experienced guy in the backcourt as well. UM, because

661
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: Jamari where he started and where he got to is remarkable.

662
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, that's that. That's the thing. I saw

663
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: some NBA players commenting on how how good, how much

664
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: they liked him, like, yeah, you didn't see him three

665
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: years ago. He was a little different, you know. But

666
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: I think that I think that speaks to in terms of,

667
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 1: you know, everybody does want the quick fix. Unfortunately here, Um,

668
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: the college basketball landscape has changed, and UM, I want

669
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: to be super you know, calculated in terms of how

670
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: we build our team. And I think, you know, peppering

671
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: in and adding guys like Jamari who uh we're relative

672
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: the unknown guys, you know, but they had a chance

673
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: to really grow and prosper in the program over time. Um,

674
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, I think I'd be stupid not to try

675
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: to mix a guy or two like that in where

676
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: you can really cultivate and try to grow their game

677
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: over the course of their Career's your dad, Sola? He is?

678
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: What do you say? Um? I mean he's just super

679
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 1: you know, excited for me and um, you know, happy

680
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: that I have a chance to kind of leave my

681
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: own program. You know, it's been four years of of

682
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: I mean the path that I took is kind of crazy,

683
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: you know, and I think about how how it all

684
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 1: got to this point. But again, everybody kind of gets

685
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: to to their endpoint at a different time, and I

686
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't change anything about it. It's funny, like all these

687
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: Philly guys, you always think you'll coach around Philly and

688
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: then here you end up at at San Francisco. UM.

689
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: Todd told us about how uh living with so you know,

690
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 1: they the living because it's so expensive there. It's always tricky.

691
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: It's it's trickier obviously with assistance in his head coaches.

692
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: But you were assistant. Now you're a head coach. Do

693
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: you move? Does your wife at Jeff to move yet? Um,

694
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: We're we're in the process of figuring that out. Yeah,

695
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: it's it's it's definitely a unique city to live in.

696
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: And and you know, growing up in Philadelphia, I appreciate

697
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: and love everything about being in a metropolitan area. I

698
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: think San Francisco is one of the best cities in

699
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: the world. Um. But the obviously the costs of living

700
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: is high. UM. And so we're in the process of

701
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: figuring out what we're gonna do. UM University has some

702
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: really nice homes that they owe that they own here,

703
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, a block or two from campus, and and

704
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: that's an option. So we're kind of exploring all of

705
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: it at this point. That's not bad, no, no, no

706
00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: house payment sounds really really tasty, really really really really easy. UM.

707
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: When people see your teams play, what do you want

708
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: them to walk away saying or thinking, yeah, I think

709
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: hopefully it's a lot of the same things that they

710
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: walked away saying about this group that we had this year. Um,

711
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: you know that we're ultra connected, UM, that we're tough,

712
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: and that we play extremely extremely hard UM. And I

713
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: would hope that they say that we look like we're

714
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: well coached too. You know. The preparation and being detailed

715
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: is something that you know, I've learned, you know, over

716
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: the course of these on four years, and it's something

717
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: that's super important to me, is just making sure that

718
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: you know, when we step on the floor that we're prepared,

719
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: you know. And if you're prepared, I think that kind

720
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: of allows uh, your natural instincts and your ability to

721
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: kind of take over. Um. And so that that's what

722
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: I hope they'll say, UM. And that's gonna be something

723
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: that that we kind of attack on a on a

724
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: daily basis, just in terms of how we go about

725
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: our business. We to be super competitive and ultra connected.

726
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: Last thing, Um, if you look at these teams that

727
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: are still playing, obviously Duke has gotten better defensively in

728
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: the tournament. The rest of them are just outstanding. You know.

729
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: Caroline has improved as well. Nova is great defensively, super physical. Obviously,

730
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: what Kansas did changing some of the matchups unbelievable. The

731
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: second half you outscore up. Jim lay egote fifth team

732
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: was crazy and their defense was the catalyst. I asked

733
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: you this because my day coach under text Winner at

734
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: Long Beach State, and he used to tell me. I

735
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,479
Speaker 1: remember he always telling a story that text would leave

736
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: after the offense, that they do, go through all the

737
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: warm ups, all fundamentals, then they do offense. He was

738
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: completely running the show. He ran the triple post, which

739
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: is the triangle they wrote defensive drills. He'd leave the building,

740
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: leave the building. He was done, not what he wanted

741
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: to do. You guys handle it. How do you as

742
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: the guy who the offensive guru, the guy with the

743
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: white board in his hands drawing up the a t

744
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 1: O setting up the offense. How do you go from

745
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: offensive quarter to head coach? How? What? What? How do

746
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: you handle that challenge of being so focused on one

747
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: end of the floor. That's a that's a really good question. Um.

748
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: You know, although I was obviously the offensive coordinator at

749
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: the last three schools that I've been at, I think

750
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: I've been fortunate enough to be be around a lot

751
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: of good defensive minds, you know, whether it's Dan Leeviovitz

752
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: at at Hartford, whether it's Lamont Smith who was incredible

753
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: defensive coach um at the University of San Diego, and

754
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: now being around Todd Um So as a coach, I

755
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: think I've kind of put all that into a pot,

756
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: you know, and kind of come up with the things

757
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 1: that are important to me and um, the competitive nature

758
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: and myself. Um, you know, I was actually a way

759
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: better defensive player than I wasn't an offensive player, and

760
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: it was out of the ball that I was drawn

761
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: to more than even the offensive side of the ball.

762
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 1: So UM, I'm not super worried about that. I feel like,

763
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: you know, part of that too is hiring the right staff,

764
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: you know, guys who compliment you. Um, you know, but

765
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: believe me, we'll we'll be locked in and dialed in

766
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: just the same, you know, from a defensive standpoint as

767
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 1: we are from a offensive standpoint. Uh, this is gonna

768
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: drop tomorrow. So and I don't know if you're going

769
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: to the Final four, but I'm sure you're gonna be

770
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: hit up how many just for somebody who'll understands you

771
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: get your first head coaching job. How many texts, emails,

772
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: phone messages in terms of guys wanting a job o. Um,

773
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: text messages within the first probably forty eight hours was

774
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: well over a thousand. Um. And then from a phone

775
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: call standpoint, you know, I'm having you know, people come

776
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: out the woodwork that I didn't even know we're still around.

777
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of it's kind of amazing, UM

778
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 1: who you hear from them when you have a job

779
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 1: or when you get a job. Um. And you know,

780
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: I'm I'm being probably overly anal in terms of trying

781
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: to get back to everyone, sure, because I know how

782
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: that felt as an assistant too. You know, when when

783
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: you you wanted to get involved with something and um

784
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: all you really wanted At times, you're just there to

785
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: be some feedback, whether it's positive or negative. UM. So

786
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: I'm doing my best to to make sure that I,

787
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: you know, circle back and touch base with everyone, because

788
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 1: I do know what it's like to be in those

789
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: spots and you know, just to want opportunity. So I'm

790
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: super thankful for everyone who's reached out, and UM, I

791
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: am doing my best, but it is certainly um overwhelming

792
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: in terms of just you know, the amount of people

793
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 1: who have hit me up. I'm living above a liquor

794
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: store to try to get back to over a thousand

795
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 1: text messages. Uh, it's it's it's it's quite the journey.

796
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 1: I can't wait. You can't wait to catch up more.

797
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: I know you gotta get back in the portal and

798
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: get back to work and putting together, putting the whole

799
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: thing together. No, I appreciate I do too. I like

800
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: I love watching your team's play. It's one of the

801
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 1: reasons that I was drawn to San Francisco's I Sometimes

802
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: I don't like how they play. Love how you guys play.

803
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 1: Cannot wait to cover you guys in the w CC

804
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 1: next year. Thanks so much for joining me. I appreciate

805
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: you having me anytime. I would love to come back on. Ye, well,

806
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: that interesting, I thought so. All right, more pods to

807
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Speaker 1: come this week? Where it final four week? Remember listen

808
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Speaker 1: to the Doug gli Show daily three to six Eastern

809
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,000
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