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Speaker 2: Still kind of reeling from lead.
Speaker 3: To lap our executive producers hot dog count from yesterday
Speaker 3: on National hot Dog Day, revolting the five hot dogs
Speaker 3: Lee had yesterday in a four to five hour span
Speaker 3: because it was Hot Dog Day?
Speaker 2: Is that more than you've had in your entire life?
Speaker 4: Brady? Like that?
Speaker 5: I'd have to go back so far to think about
Speaker 5: the last time. I mean, I haven't ate many hot dogs.
Speaker 5: I threw him up once I was a kid, and
Speaker 5: that was kind of it. Once you see, like what
Speaker 5: you eat thrown back up, it's hard to then eat
Speaker 5: that again.
Speaker 6: At least that's that's not his for me. I don't
Speaker 6: know if it is for you guys, I mean, is
Speaker 6: that is that too much?
Speaker 4: That?
Speaker 6: Tm?
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 4: I just have a weak stomach. Man, It's all good.
Speaker 5: You If you could have seen the way I threw
Speaker 5: up all over this little like back patio. It was
Speaker 5: covered and it was a combination of hot dogs, orange.
Speaker 6: Juice, and chips.
Speaker 5: At like six in the morning, my dad, Chopper came
Speaker 5: out and just goes, what the hell. He just he
Speaker 5: gets the hose out, He sprang down the back patio.
Speaker 6: He sprang me down.
Speaker 5: At the same time, I'm like, in my pajamas is
Speaker 5: soaking wet with puke and everything on me.
Speaker 6: It was, oh, not good.
Speaker 4: You know, it brings up a fond memory of throwing
Speaker 4: up for for me as well.
Speaker 6: You know New Orleans.
Speaker 4: No not, I didn't throw up in New Orleans. In
Speaker 4: New Orleans, no, no, I did it. I did it.
Speaker 4: But my daughter, she didn't want to go to school
Speaker 4: this one day in particular, the one that just celebrated
Speaker 4: her tenth birthday. And she's like, oh, you know, my
Speaker 4: stomach is hurting, like, my stomach hurts. And you know,
Speaker 4: you's an eight year old kid, You're like, your stomach
Speaker 4: doesn't hurt. Your stomach is going to be just fine.
Speaker 4: You gotta go to school. We're driving to school. We
Speaker 4: almost are to school. She's like, Dad, my stomach hurts.
Speaker 4: And I was like, I was like, it's just odd
Speaker 4: that the closer we're getting to school. And before I
Speaker 4: could even finish my sentence, she I mean she hit
Speaker 4: the back seat up, she hit my arm, the arm rest,
Speaker 4: the foot. Oh, you wasn't lying. And it looked like it.
Speaker 4: It looked like kepto bismal. I had no idea why
Speaker 4: it came out that the color that it did, and
Speaker 4: like the texture of what it was. It was bad.
Speaker 4: But I turned around and took her home.
Speaker 3: Well, what's the old adage, you know, just listen to
Speaker 3: your body. It'll tell you everything you need to know.
Speaker 3: If something hurts, don't do it, if if if something
Speaker 3: comes back.
Speaker 4: What if you think somebody's given you an excuse? I
Speaker 4: felt bad?
Speaker 2: Only one way to prove you wrong.
Speaker 4: Well, I've never questioned her again. She was telling the truth.
Speaker 4: He got an honest kid, there, I guess. So I
Speaker 4: gave it up all love it too.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know if Russell Wilson's ready
Speaker 3: to give it up yet clearly he's not uh. This
Speaker 3: was in speaking with Connor Or of Sports Illustrated, Russell
Speaker 3: Wilson spoke about how much longer he wants to play
Speaker 3: quote five plus years. I can still throw the ball
Speaker 3: sixty five seventy yards, I can still move, and I
Speaker 3: think I'm capable of doing a lot. It's funny because
Speaker 3: to me, being in Denver in my first year, I
Speaker 3: was hurt most of the time and battled through it.
Speaker 3: The second year, I felt like myself again. Then going
Speaker 3: to Pittsburgh, obviously, unfortunately I got injured early in the season,
Speaker 3: didn't end up the way we wanted it to, but
Speaker 3: it just rejuvenated everything. And then being here in New
Speaker 3: York with the Giants, it's like playing at the stadium
Speaker 3: again knowing that I've held the trophy here before. So
Speaker 3: that was Russell Wilson talking with Connor Orr about his
Speaker 3: desire to keep playing four or five more years. This
Speaker 3: is his fourth team in five years. Hasn't the market
Speaker 3: kind of already spoken on him? And they just drafted
Speaker 3: a quarterback in the first round, So it feels like
Speaker 3: it's more likely that if.
Speaker 4: He brought in a backup that could beat him out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just feels like it's more likely that if
Speaker 3: he does want to play four or five more years,
Speaker 3: it's going to be in situations like this where yeah,
Speaker 3: he's the starter for the time being until the rookie
Speaker 3: or the younger quarterback gets developed. That's what it feels
Speaker 3: like at this point in his career.
Speaker 4: God Cue, you got it.
Speaker 5: I think it's hard for every athlete. It doesn't matter,
Speaker 5: by the way, like at what level, but in particular
Speaker 5: when you're at the professional level, and even for someone
Speaker 5: who has won a Super Bowl, has been to two,
Speaker 5: has you know, played at an MVP level, I think
Speaker 5: to feel like they're not able to get the job
Speaker 5: done right. I think we all like to some degree.
Speaker 5: I mean, again, LeVar, I'm sure there's times when you see, man, man,
Speaker 5: you're like, I could take them. Like, if I find
Speaker 5: you need to go in for a few plays, I
Speaker 5: could do it. Now can you do it consistently for
Speaker 5: the entirety of a game, for the entirety of a season.
Speaker 5: That's where it gets a lot more difficult, not only
Speaker 5: for your level of performance, but just to stay healthy.
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 5: One of the things that he admitted to you when
Speaker 5: he's saying this too, is the injuries that have crept
Speaker 5: up more and more. You remember how durable Russell Wilson
Speaker 5: was at the beginning of his career, despite the fact
Speaker 5: that he put himself in harm's way all the time.
Speaker 5: I mean, dude, how often did we see him in
Speaker 5: his rookie and even second, third, fourth seas There'd be
Speaker 5: these players where you like, holy cow, is Houdini? How
Speaker 5: do you find his way out of that? How did
Speaker 5: you make that throw? How did you make that player
Speaker 5: get out of you know, and scrambled it to run
Speaker 5: and pick up the first down. Now, at times, you know,
Speaker 5: he never took the big shot for the most part,
Speaker 5: but I think as it wore on and as he
Speaker 5: kind of realized that that's harder and harder to do.
Speaker 5: As you age and you're not quite as fast or explosive,
Speaker 5: your game has to change as well. And I think
Speaker 5: that's one of the things that not just for him,
Speaker 5: it's difficult for any professional athlete to be able to
Speaker 5: see that because the game mentally is slown down, like
Speaker 5: what you see out there is like in slow mow.
Speaker 5: You know where everyone's supposed to be, you know what
Speaker 5: the responsibilities are. Then it becomes more of a battle
Speaker 5: of the physical and your ability to actually do it
Speaker 5: and get your body to do what you wanted to
Speaker 5: do when you need it to be done. And that's
Speaker 5: where I feel like there's a bit of a disconnect
Speaker 5: probably between you know, how how he's feeling, how he's played,
Speaker 5: but what he thinks about, you know, everything mentally, because
Speaker 5: he's like, dude, this game's never felt easier in my
Speaker 5: mind watching it and seeing it. So it's it's just
Speaker 5: kind of interesting to me when you hear these words
Speaker 5: because at times, you know they might come off it
Speaker 5: sound like Uncle Rico from Napoleon Dynamite.
Speaker 6: You know, it comes off a little bit like that.
Speaker 6: But how much you want to make a bet I
Speaker 6: can throw a football over.
Speaker 7: The mountain, I'll just say, like, at times it feels
Speaker 7: like that, but then at other times you go, okay,
Speaker 7: like he just feels like he's healthy.
Speaker 5: Now, he's in a better spot to go and perform.
Speaker 5: But time will tell. I mean the draft pick two
Speaker 5: behind him that you know the fans are gonna be
Speaker 5: clamoring for him. The organization is eventually gonna want to
Speaker 5: see what they have in Jackson Dart. He's obviously a
Speaker 5: first rund draft pick for a reason. So the running
Speaker 5: is not kind of already on the wall. And I
Speaker 5: think that's what makes it difficult for Russell Wilson. The
Speaker 5: spot he has to.
Speaker 6: Hit the ground running.
Speaker 5: There can't be any lag or stall or anything in
Speaker 5: his performance. And the injuries like he had last year
Speaker 5: starting off in Pittsburgh where he couldn't get into the
Speaker 5: season healthy, none of that can take place. He's got
Speaker 5: a very very slim margin for air to start this thing,
Speaker 5: get off on a hot start to maintain being the
Speaker 5: starting quarterback.
Speaker 3: By the way, to your point, he didn't miss a
Speaker 3: start until his last year in Seattle, and I think
Speaker 3: that was the mallet finger he suffered. He suffered the
Speaker 3: mallet finger his final year in Seattle, and then he
Speaker 3: missed a couple of games, But before that, never missed
Speaker 3: a game, never missed a start his entire career.
Speaker 5: And by the way, and I've told you this because
Speaker 5: I to this day, i'd male finger my my index
Speaker 5: fingers on my throng hands.
Speaker 6: Never never felt the same after that.
Speaker 5: And you know, again, I don't know exactly what he
Speaker 5: went through from the procedure everything else, And it sounds
Speaker 5: like something so small like LeVar.
Speaker 6: Is probably like, oh, like what are you your index finger?
Speaker 5: No, but it's like for a throw, it's important, right
Speaker 5: like that, that's like a little thing where you see
Speaker 5: like a major league baseball pitcher, he's like on the
Speaker 5: il for like a hangnail, but like it's kind of
Speaker 5: important if they can't throw the way they need to.
Speaker 5: And I don't know that he's ever been the same
Speaker 5: throwing the football in his career after that, and again
Speaker 5: something small, but those injuries add up and it changes
Speaker 5: the way you play.
Speaker 4: Let me throw this out at you, guys. We talked
Speaker 4: about Bill Belichick or excuse me, Robert Kraft and what
Speaker 4: he had to say and taking the risk in hiring
Speaker 4: Bill Belichick, which to me was a flex to remind
Speaker 4: people like, let's slow down here. Let's not get carried
Speaker 4: away about talking about Bill Belichick because he's going to
Speaker 4: be a Hall of Fame coach. Let's not get carried
Speaker 4: away about who he was a part of making a
Speaker 4: legendary player. And Tom Brady because I'm the one that
Speaker 4: made it all possible with what I did. He's searching
Speaker 4: for that validation, he's searching for that appreciation. I look
Speaker 4: at Russell Wilson, and I think he's searching for the validation.
Speaker 4: I think he's still searching for or the appreciation. He's
Speaker 4: going to two Super Bowls, as you've mentioned, he's won
Speaker 4: one Super Bowl, as we've mentioned. I don't know what
Speaker 4: the ten Pro Bowls are. I don't know if they
Speaker 4: are first first ballot Pro Bowlers or if they're alternate
Speaker 4: Pro Bowlers, which it does. I mean at some point,
Speaker 4: I don't know if it still matters, but at some
Speaker 4: point it mattered if you were an alternate versus if
Speaker 4: you were a starter to the Pro Bowl. So I
Speaker 4: don't know how many of those ten are one or
Speaker 4: the other. But outside of that, he's never been a
Speaker 4: first team All Pro. And if you look at his
Speaker 4: body of work, if he's not as appreciated as he
Speaker 4: needs to be going into retirement or possibly ending up
Speaker 4: being a career backup for the rest of his time
Speaker 4: as an NFL player, is he at risk of not
Speaker 4: being a Hall of Famer. And I wonder if that
Speaker 4: is what's circulating in his mind within this five year
Speaker 4: period of time. I'm in a great market. It's a
Speaker 4: really good situation to be in. I know New York
Speaker 4: has struggled, but I'm kind of high on this Giants
Speaker 4: team this year. I think they're going to surprise some people.
Speaker 4: And if he can be the catalyst at the quarterback's
Speaker 4: position in that that type of a season doing it
Speaker 4: in New York, is one year enough depending on what
Speaker 4: type of success they have to solidify his career, or
Speaker 4: does it take one. I think at this point I
Speaker 4: throw it out at you, guys, and you could take
Speaker 4: it however, you know where you want to take it.
Speaker 4: But I think he still needs more more than one
Speaker 4: good season to solidify being at least a first ballot
Speaker 4: Hall of Famer let alone, possibly could miss being a
Speaker 4: Hall of Famer if he doesn't have critical years in
Speaker 4: these last few years that he has in the league
Speaker 4: as a starter.
Speaker 3: Which is kind of crazy considering if you were to say,
Speaker 3: second to last year in Seattle, all right, guys in
Speaker 3: the NFL, that are you think are going to be
Speaker 3: Hall of Famers? He would have been one that I
Speaker 3: would have thought had been a Hall of Famer. But
Speaker 3: the post Seattle era has been so up and down
Speaker 3: and played out so poorly publicly that I do wonder
Speaker 3: if now the perception of him has changed from people
Speaker 3: around the league because it feels I mean even J C.
Speaker 3: Trettor was you know, throwing him under the bus, you
Speaker 3: know for not you know, not getting the contract that
Speaker 3: he was looking.
Speaker 2: For and all that.
Speaker 3: It just feels like there's a well, when the discussion
Speaker 3: happens around Russell Wilson, it's never positive anymore. And that
Speaker 3: was never the case in Seattle until the end.
Speaker 4: Until the end.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I felt like last year got positive. I mean,
Speaker 5: he came in and gave Pittsburgh a spark on offense.
Speaker 5: I know the season didn't end the way they wanted
Speaker 5: it to, and he probably wasn't playing his best towards
Speaker 5: the end, but you know, you factor in the picking,
Speaker 5: you know, sometimes deciding he wants to be out there.
Speaker 6: Maybe he doesn't. I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean there was a compilation I saw in social
Speaker 5: media last season when I was like I could only imagine,
Speaker 5: like I was fortunate enough to play with so many
Speaker 5: receivers that you know, you knew when they were upset,
Speaker 5: you knew when they wanted the ball, and maybe they
Speaker 5: weren't getting the ball either because the defense was taking
Speaker 5: them away or they weren't the number one read on
Speaker 5: a certain progression. You know, there were sometimes guys where
Speaker 5: they're just having bad days or they get too emotional
Speaker 5: about it, and you would see that from time to time,
Speaker 5: but I never had anyone who I felt like just
Speaker 5: wasn't going to participate in the play. I mean there's
Speaker 5: times where I felt like that watching him last year,
Speaker 5: So that played a role as well.
Speaker 6: I just.
Speaker 5: I had a former head coach tell me one time,
Speaker 5: when you start moving around to teams, He's like, it's
Speaker 5: really really hard to gain traction again.
Speaker 6: And he told me this at this point when.
Speaker 5: I was a backup, and you know, really they were
Speaker 5: offering me an opportunity to come back as a backup,
Speaker 5: and I just I wanted to take a chance to
Speaker 5: go see if I can compete to start, or be
Speaker 5: in a situation where if I was a backup, I'd
Speaker 5: have a better chance of playing. Like to me, I
Speaker 5: hated holding a clipboard, I hated sitting in meeting rooms
Speaker 5: and baskey being an insurance agent, Like that's what you
Speaker 5: are as a backup quarterback. You're the insurance policy where
Speaker 5: you go in and all of a sudden you've got
Speaker 5: to feel in the void like a starter, not getting
Speaker 5: the preparation, not getting the practice as far as the
Speaker 5: same as a starter.
Speaker 6: But that's the expectation.
Speaker 5: And I was always like, MANI stinks like I always
Speaker 5: needed reps. You know, I was slow to learn how
Speaker 5: to read when I was young. I was I was
Speaker 5: always kind of slower to develop in that regard. So
Speaker 5: I was always someone who wanted to have, you know, more,
Speaker 5: more of an opportunity to play and to actually learn
Speaker 5: from experience. And I think that's the tough part for
Speaker 5: Russell Wilson, is you get to this point where you
Speaker 5: can't find traction.
Speaker 4: How long did it take?
Speaker 6: I don't know how long it took.
Speaker 5: I'd have to go back and talk to my mom,
Speaker 5: but I just remember, you know, her needing to take
Speaker 5: extra time, meaning need to take a little extra time
Speaker 5: in school as well.
Speaker 4: But again I digress. Ye, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: I think one of the things is when you get
Speaker 5: to a point like you're saying, Jonas, what four teams
Speaker 5: in five years? It gets hard to find traction because
Speaker 5: everyone that's there around you hasn't experienced the success you
Speaker 5: had in Seattle. They don't know you that credibility. No, no,
Speaker 5: I mean, think about think about this, like think about
Speaker 5: how long US three now have worked together. We were
Speaker 5: together for years now, so we know when we see
Speaker 5: each other at Super Bowl whatever, we like, we know
Speaker 5: what to expect. We know, like even if hey, one
Speaker 5: of us goes out with Lee, you know, Lee's a
Speaker 5: wild time. Like we know we're still we know we're
Speaker 5: US three with Lee. We know US three is still
Speaker 5: going to show up and perform. Now we don't know
Speaker 5: if Lee will be there, but we know US three
Speaker 5: will show up and perform. But like that's not the case. Now,
Speaker 5: he's got to build that back up. You know, he's
Speaker 5: only one Chili Cheese National Chili Cheese Dog. Hot Dog
Speaker 5: did away from you know, gassing up. Christopher Fetter's not
Speaker 5: gonna be able to produce this show anymore.
Speaker 4: That man could have shown up with chip teeth, He
Speaker 4: could have been hit ran over by a mac truck.
Speaker 4: I mean, there were several different scenarios that could have
Speaker 4: played out where I mean he didn't want to show
Speaker 4: up to one event because all of the cuts and
Speaker 4: scrapes on it on his face. I mean, it's just
Speaker 4: it's bad Lee. It's a it's a it's a very
Speaker 4: stressful time to wonder if we're going to roll with
Speaker 4: Lee when it's a week long trip. That's that's It's
Speaker 4: a great it's a great example, and in comparison, it's
Speaker 4: a great compre And.
Speaker 2: Then I step up as the d H in the
Speaker 2: on Friday when you guys were hurting.
Speaker 4: No, we weren't hurting. We we were we I mean,
Speaker 4: we were tired. It was the end of the week.
Speaker 6: You only didn't go out because you face planted. That's
Speaker 6: why you didn't go out.
Speaker 4: Still showed up.
Speaker 5: The next day. Yeah, but I'm saying you didn't go
Speaker 5: out that night like we did. Your nose, that's why
Speaker 5: we were hurting so bad on Friday.
Speaker 6: You were on I R. You're in your hotel.
Speaker 4: Definitely, But we're a team, baby.
Speaker 6: Basketball.
Speaker 2: I was trying.
Speaker 3: I was feeding him drinks Thursday night before and he
Speaker 3: was not saying shock, he was not saying.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying you were bold enough to actually go
Speaker 4: on the journey into you know, downtown, into to uh
Speaker 4: what's the street called Bourbon Street. Yeah, you guys, I
Speaker 4: just can't believe that you would do it, like, of
Speaker 4: all places to go with Lee where you knew it
Speaker 4: was the wrong place where he would be Bourbon Street
Speaker 4: would be tops on.
Speaker 8: That he was.
Speaker 3: He had like a three hour head start. I said, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'll go check it out. And the best part is
Speaker 3: I called Brady and because you were like you just
Speaker 3: like staying in the hotel, And I called Brady.
Speaker 6: He's like, all, what do you think?
Speaker 2: And do you want to get dinner?
Speaker 3: I was like, I kind of want to check out
Speaker 3: Bourbon Street and Brady's like, yeah, I'm definitely not doing that, Like, okay, oh,
Speaker 3: I've never been, so I want to go check it out.
Speaker 2: And I get there.
Speaker 5: By the way, in my defense, this is also after
Speaker 5: a dude got killed.
Speaker 6: I'm pretty sure he got drugged and killed.
Speaker 5: Not saying that situation would play out for me, but
Speaker 5: you know, it's not the safest place and it's like,
Speaker 5: you know, we had one more night here, you know,
Speaker 5: why put that at risk?
Speaker 4: Right? Yeah, we were safe in the hotel.
Speaker 6: Why would we leave a good time with Avar to
Speaker 6: go find a good time?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean we have a good time, we make
Speaker 4: the party. But Lee apparently he has to have more
Speaker 4: he has and so I went and found that hand
Speaker 4: grenade that I was on assignment. I was on assignment.
Speaker 5: We did see our entire Fox crew. To Jonas, you
Speaker 5: were like leaving at the worst possible time for your
Speaker 5: professional career.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was some dead man walking and that now
Speaker 4: that you look back on it.
Speaker 2: To so so it's.
Speaker 4: A great point.
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Speaker 3: Good Thursday morning too.
Speaker 8: Yeah, what's up, guys? I can actually see you. I
Speaker 8: know it's been get that all worked out like where
Speaker 8: we get actually passed it through, right, but we're working
Speaker 8: towards it sounds like.
Speaker 6: This is unfortunate though, Albert.
Speaker 5: Now we don't get your uh, your wife, you don't
Speaker 5: get your kids ask you you're getting to the van
Speaker 5: to head up for a hockey tournament.
Speaker 8: Though, that's right, not in the on the front porch
Speaker 8: where like I'm at risk for like the blue stooth
Speaker 8: kicking off the tahoe yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, or the or the dog in the background or
Speaker 5: any of the other many things that have tried to
Speaker 5: interrupt our interview with you.
Speaker 8: We have we have two dogs here now, so like
Speaker 8: there's even more risk because it's just kind of puppy
Speaker 8: and he's also an Aussie. Anybody who's had one of
Speaker 8: those notes out loud, they are so uh so yeah,
Speaker 8: Archie might be making uh making a debut of here's
Speaker 8: here in the next few weeks.
Speaker 6: Why did you get Why did you get an Aussie?
Speaker 8: Because that's our first time get if we have an
Speaker 8: ostie alreadyn getting another one because my wife likes to breathe.
Speaker 8: It's easy answer and I'm not gonna win.
Speaker 4: The argument is the after Archie Griffith. Was that the compromise?
Speaker 8: That's right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there you go, figure figure that's what it was.
Speaker 8: How able everybody's gonna think it's after Archie Manning or
Speaker 8: if we start calling him Art to be after arch Manning.
Speaker 8: So anyway, that's the real life. Yeah, I will say
Speaker 8: this though, we went from like this wasn't on my
Speaker 8: radar two weeks ago. So now we have a puppy
Speaker 8: living here, so it shows you how much control I
Speaker 8: have over my own house.
Speaker 3: Are you surprised Albert and obviously covering the team? Uh,
Speaker 3: in covering the team and being around the situation for
Speaker 3: as long as you were up in the New England area.
Speaker 3: Are you surprised to see Belichick pushback the way he
Speaker 3: did on ESPN when Robert Kraft talked about the big
Speaker 3: risk he took in hiring him.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: The crazy thing about it is like the Craft said
Speaker 8: this a million times. There's you could if you google
Speaker 8: the keywords in there, I'm sure you could find fifty
Speaker 8: times that Robert Craft has said that. And clearly it's
Speaker 8: something that Bill's got a problem with. Like wait a minute,
Speaker 8: Like you were the one that took the risk, like
Speaker 8: I came into a situation that was broken and had
Speaker 8: to rebuild it, right, like, so clearly he had a
Speaker 8: problem with it. And I find it, like I'm not
Speaker 8: source guessing here or whatever, but I find it hard
Speaker 8: to believe that Don van Natta was listening to like
Speaker 8: the Dudes on Dudes podcasts and thought to call Bill.
Speaker 8: So my guess is that Bill was the one that
Speaker 8: prompted that conversation, which means that Bill felt strongly enough
Speaker 8: to reach out to a reporter on it. And Don
Speaker 8: van Natta, of course, is the reporter who's done some
Speaker 8: of the work on some of the discord and the
Speaker 8: Patriots organization over the last twenty years, and so picking
Speaker 8: that specific reporter to talk to I think has context too.
Speaker 8: So you know, my main takeaway is Bill's got a
Speaker 8: hair across ass about Robert vice versa. Is this becoming
Speaker 8: Jimmy Jerry?
Speaker 4: Guys? It has those type types of characteristics. Oh that's
Speaker 4: a hot Yeah, it's sort.
Speaker 8: Of like it doesn't it? Well, did you accomplished so
Speaker 8: much together and you can't leave ball enough alone? You
Speaker 8: know what I mean? Like, And it's interesting too, because
Speaker 8: the third figure in all of this is Tom Brady.
Speaker 8: And you know what I think is really fascinating about
Speaker 8: that if you look at how these things come about, Well,
Speaker 8: Bill posts Tom, you know, makes the playoffs of one
Speaker 8: and the team circle with the drain. Robert pat posts
Speaker 8: Tom is with Bill for that, then hires girod Mao,
Speaker 8: fires him after a year and has to fall in
Speaker 8: the sort of thing he was wrong about a bunch
Speaker 8: of things. And so now those two are going at it,
Speaker 8: and you got Tom sitting back, and you know why
Speaker 8: he doesn't have to say a thing is because he
Speaker 8: went to Tampa, made the playoffs four years or three
Speaker 8: years in a row, and got a rent. So you know,
Speaker 8: it's just interesting how kind of the post stretch to
Speaker 8: the to the to the dynasty is to one guy
Speaker 8: who had a ton of success right after is the
Speaker 8: one who could just kind of sit back and let
Speaker 8: the other two sight.
Speaker 6: So so this is why.
Speaker 5: And we talked about this a little bit earlier, and
Speaker 5: I said that I don't have a problem with Robert
Speaker 5: Craft saying it took a risk to hire Bill Belichick.
Speaker 5: But if someone asks you, what's your biggest risk, I
Speaker 5: don't know that Bill Belichick was at the top of
Speaker 5: the list, he had close to a five hundred record
Speaker 5: as far as being adage. Prior to that, he was
Speaker 5: already hired by another team. So clearly they were okay
Speaker 5: with that five hundred record, as was Robert Kraft. And
Speaker 5: yes they had to give up a first round pick,
Speaker 5: but it's it's not as if Robert Craft was necessarily
Speaker 5: great before that point in time as an owner in
Speaker 5: drafting first round pick. So it leads me to say,
Speaker 5: in your mind, was was this the biggest risk really
Speaker 5: Robert Craft took? I mean, Jonas brought up ages of
Speaker 5: orchid orchids, sports of AGAs.
Speaker 3: Geez, guys, guys trying to blow some steam off for
Speaker 3: God's sake.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I don't know.
Speaker 8: Let's move that one to the side for a minute.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, ab answer the question, abe, question aside, honestly, honestly.
Speaker 6: Say flip over, is that what you said?
Speaker 8: My gosh, don't get me in trouble here, Like I
Speaker 8: don't need to. I don't taking right now. Here's what
Speaker 8: I like, Like I would say the bigger risks, like
Speaker 8: I think the decision to do what he did with
Speaker 8: Bill Parcells the very beginning, as much success as they
Speaker 8: were having, like taking power away from Bill Parcells after
Speaker 8: Bill Parcells had and I I mean I was a
Speaker 8: kid then growing up in this region, and Bill Parcells
Speaker 8: was like the messiah, like no one that franchise was
Speaker 8: a laughing stuck and Bill Parcells the one who's got it,
Speaker 8: who dragged it out of the ditch and gave it credibility.
Speaker 8: So I think taking power away from Bill Parcell's and
Speaker 8: eventually driving them away was probably the biggest risk that
Speaker 8: Robert Kraft ever took at the time when he hired Belichick.
Speaker 8: I mean, he's sort of in this position where he
Speaker 8: like his like his reputation wasn't in a great spot,
Speaker 8: so he didn't have as much to lose like when
Speaker 8: he did that with Parcels. He had a lot to lose.
Speaker 8: When he made the decision to go with Bill over
Speaker 8: Brady right in twenty twenty and the years leading up
Speaker 8: to that, that was a massive risks. He had ton
Speaker 8: to lose. So I tend to think, like when you're
Speaker 8: assessing risks, a lot of like a lot of what
Speaker 8: risk is is how much do you have to lose?
Speaker 8: And I think in nineteen ninety six and in two
Speaker 8: thy and twenty Robert katsaid way more to losing those
Speaker 8: decisions that he made versus you know where he was
Speaker 8: in the year two thousands.
Speaker 4: Listen, we're having the conversation as it applies to Robert
Speaker 4: Kraft and ultimately the comparisons or or the back and
Speaker 4: floor between him and Belichick. How much does this put
Speaker 4: a almost a target on on Mike Rabel coming in.
Speaker 4: Mike was a part of these teams as well. And
Speaker 4: maybe that's something that maybe Robert Kraft isn't thinking about,
Speaker 4: is by doing these these having these conversations, I mean,
Speaker 4: you're putting seemingly a whole lot of pressure on Mike
Speaker 4: Rabel to have to do something with this team where
Speaker 4: they're at right now.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a weird spot to be in for sure.
Speaker 8: Like I don't know, I mean, Mike would probably want
Speaker 8: to smack me in the back of the head. I
Speaker 8: feel like if you heard me say that, it's almost
Speaker 8: like a kid with his divorced parents who are in court,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. It's just because I mean,
Speaker 8: Mike was a player here, you know, and you can't
Speaker 8: take that context out of it. So like he's one
Speaker 8: of these guys like an Edelman who had that interview
Speaker 8: with Kraft and like so many guys that went through
Speaker 8: the place that you know, like you're going to be
Speaker 8: asked about it, you know what I mean, Like and
Speaker 8: at some point like it's going to come up, and
Speaker 8: it's a topic that hovers over things. That said, I
Speaker 8: think if anybody equipped to deal with it and has
Speaker 8: the right kind of approach towards these things and be
Speaker 8: Mike Rabel, because I just don't think I think Brabel
Speaker 8: is as the type of guy who can say I
Speaker 8: don't give a damn about that, that's not my problem
Speaker 8: and get away with it. You know, Like there are
Speaker 8: a lot of people who say that you wouldn't believe them,
Speaker 8: like I think Mike can make that believable. So like,
Speaker 8: I think in one sense, there's the former player Mice
Speaker 8: right like, who like so many of these guys, it's
Speaker 8: like two people that were so central to what was
Speaker 8: going on when you were having your greatest professional success
Speaker 8: are fighting and it's weird to be asked questions about
Speaker 8: those two people while they're fighting. So that's the former
Speaker 8: player Mike. But I think Mike right now would be
Speaker 8: more focused on being the coach and you know, having
Speaker 8: that thing go focus, saying like that's not our problem
Speaker 8: to his team, like that's something I think that he's
Speaker 8: an equal position to sell.
Speaker 3: Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. It's
Speaker 3: two pros and a cup of Joe filling in for
Speaker 3: Dan Patrick and the guys. Is there the potential we
Speaker 3: see any sort of crazy blockbuster trade take place with
Speaker 3: these guys looking for extensions and not able to get
Speaker 3: them done, whether it be Hendrickson, McLaurin, TJ.
Speaker 2: Watt, et cetera.
Speaker 8: I just think it's too many in the case is
Speaker 8: there's like too much much interest in getting something done.
Speaker 8: Like with what the reason you the reason you acquire
Speaker 8: Aaron Rodgers in the first place is to serve TJ. Watt, right,
Speaker 8: Like it's to serve the core that you had in play.
Speaker 8: And so like what you're doing getting Aaron Rodgers and
Speaker 8: leading into the guys that we're already there and saying, okay,
Speaker 8: we only have one or two swing fluff with this
Speaker 8: crew with your TJ. Watts If you're Cam Hayward, so
Speaker 8: so like, how would it make sense to go out
Speaker 8: and get Aaron Rodgers and get DK Metcalf and get
Speaker 8: Jalen Ramsey and get Darius play and then move off
Speaker 8: the best player from the core that you're trying to serve.
Speaker 8: And if your t GA want, is there a situation
Speaker 8: that you could go to that would be better than
Speaker 8: the one that you're already in, or would you look
Speaker 8: at it and say, this is what I've been waiting
Speaker 8: for since Ben Roethlisberger retired. It's having an answer like this.
Speaker 8: At the quarterback position. With McLaurin, it's like, I know
Speaker 8: Terry values being like a one team guy and being
Speaker 8: a guy who wrote out gig Rudin, Ron Rivera, the
Speaker 8: Salo team, the nickname change, all that different stuff, and
Speaker 8: being kind of a belt weather for the entire franchise.
Speaker 8: I know he really values that. And for dan Quinn,
Speaker 8: like Harry represents everything they're looking for. So I'd say
Speaker 8: like in most of these situations, you're looking at it
Speaker 8: like there's too much usual interest in getting something done.
Speaker 8: There's a lot of cage rattling going on now, but
Speaker 8: when the deadlines come, you think they're going to get
Speaker 8: something done. So Hendrickson thing is the one that I
Speaker 8: look at and it's a little less predictable because that
Speaker 8: one's played out over multiple off seasons, and that one
Speaker 8: there are just some moving parts as to how you
Speaker 8: pay pass rushers, and then the structure of the deal.
Speaker 8: Does he do a deal like the structure like the
Speaker 8: one Burrow and Chase it? Does he do a deal
Speaker 8: that structured like the one that Higgins did. There are
Speaker 8: a lot of moving parts that the Henderson one and
Speaker 8: a lot of history there that would say there's no
Speaker 8: way he's taking any sort of hometown discount, and so
Speaker 8: where is the comper might come? That would be the.
Speaker 5: Question, Albert, I want to ask you about these second
Speaker 5: round draft picks. Two have signed fully guaranteed deals. There
Speaker 5: were thirty unsigned. However, it looks like Alfred Collins has
Speaker 5: to side with the forty nine ers to sign a
Speaker 5: deal that is not fully guaranteed only about eighty percent,
Speaker 5: give or take.
Speaker 6: A couple of questions. We don't have a ton of
Speaker 6: time left.
Speaker 5: Why now, Why has either the NFLPA or the agents
Speaker 5: who have been involved pushed for this to get these
Speaker 5: contracts fully guaranteed? And I guess furthermore, when you're looking
Speaker 5: at the Alfred Collins deal, I would assume you think
Speaker 5: the rest are probably gonna fall suit. There's not gonna
Speaker 5: be a lot of guys getting fully guaranteed deals, or
Speaker 5: is there a mark in the draft where they're staying, like, hey,
Speaker 5: top fifty or you know those, all those guys will
Speaker 5: be fully guaranteed.
Speaker 6: But then after that probably not.
Speaker 8: I don't think. I don't have an infirm of me.
Speaker 8: I think Brady did, like he was. I think forty
Speaker 8: third overall, is that right? Yeah? Yeah, correct, yeah, forty
Speaker 8: three Okay. So the way this happened, so the Texans
Speaker 8: really wanted to get like a certain structure with their
Speaker 8: contracts and were and wanted to get it done early
Speaker 8: with Jayden Higgins. So they agreed to do the fully
Speaker 8: guaranteed deal and then Higgins Higgins agrees to the Texans structure,
Speaker 8: and so they're able to get that done early taking
Speaker 8: care of fully guaranteed. Then the next day, the very
Speaker 8: next day, this is two months ago, Carson Swussinger, who
Speaker 8: is a thirty third pick, kickers with thirty four. He
Speaker 8: does the deal, so now he's got a fully guaranteed deal.
Speaker 8: So you have the top two guys having a fully
Speaker 8: guaranteed deal. The thirty fifth pick is Nick Emon Worri
Speaker 8: the South Carolina staty who went to Seattle and like
Speaker 8: he was widely projected by a lot of people to
Speaker 8: be at least a fringe first round pick. So he's
Speaker 8: got his head. Now here's people having his head. Well,
Speaker 8: we need to get a full guaranteed deal. Then the
Speaker 8: thirty six pick is punched on Judkins, who obviously is
Speaker 8: going through the offfield stuff now, but even before that,
Speaker 8: it was like, well, Nick, you just gave Carson Swssinger
Speaker 8: three picks before me a fully guaranteed deal, so I
Speaker 8: need to get one. So now, if you're looking at
Speaker 8: this and you think at thirty five to thirty six,
Speaker 8: are pushing for it. If you're the agent for the
Speaker 8: thirty seventh picks, the thirty eight picks, the thirty nine pick,
Speaker 8: you're not going to do anything until that gets done.
Speaker 8: Then you have the fortieth pick, which is a quarterback. Right,
Speaker 8: the quarterbacks have always done deals a little bit differently.
Speaker 8: So the Shocks in New Orleans says he get a
Speaker 8: bully guaranteed deal there at forty, because if he doesn't
Speaker 8: bully guarantee deal at forty and you're thirty nine, thirty eight,
Speaker 8: thirty seven, it's gonna make you look bad as an
Speaker 8: agent as a player if you don't get one. So
Speaker 8: this thing has been complicated, and I think it's going
Speaker 8: to sort of tinge on what happens with Eamon Wori,
Speaker 8: you know, then potentially what happens with Juckins. We'll see
Speaker 8: what happens with the Arizona Guard that when you know
Speaker 8: Jonas Abaya who went thirty seventh overall, Trevan Henderson thirty eight.
Speaker 8: Like I it's just I think it's going to have
Speaker 8: to almost have it would almost have to be in order,
Speaker 8: like there has to be a Domino exect or the
Speaker 8: quarterback gets done earlier. It's it's complicated. I do think
Speaker 8: Collins deal can help with players behind him, right, so
Speaker 8: after forty three, maybe that helps move the needle on
Speaker 8: guys that were drafted behind Alfred Collins, But as far
Speaker 8: as the guys that were drafted in front of them,
Speaker 8: I still say think you're kind of at that sale
Speaker 8: name where you're waiting for either Seattle and even Worri
Speaker 8: or New Orleans and Tyler Stock to get something done.
Speaker 3: He is Albert Breer, Senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist
Speaker 3: at the MMQB. You see his work on Amazon's NFL
Speaker 3: on prime coverage. You can get him on x at
Speaker 3: Albert Breer AB. We appreciate it. Good luck with the
Speaker 3: puppy and we'll talk next week.
Speaker 8: All right, Thank Bett.
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Speaker 3: at the top of your screen. So we were talking
Speaker 3: with Albert about the second round picks, and we were
Speaker 3: talking about some of the other movement potentially in the NFL.
Speaker 3: What is the best guess you guys have as to
Speaker 3: how this whole Shamar Stewart fiasco in Cincinnati plays out,
Speaker 3: Cause I can't figure out why they're in the place
Speaker 3: they are, especially knowing that it's not like it's an
Speaker 3: outrageous demand. He's asking for what was done previously by
Speaker 3: the organization with other draft picks taken in the first round.
Speaker 2: How's this whole thing going to finish up?
Speaker 5: He'll end up joining the team and playing I mean
Speaker 5: deadlines do deals. We aren't at that point of the
Speaker 5: summer yet where we're getting close to the start of
Speaker 5: the season. You know, when there are sixteen games, there's
Speaker 5: a sense of urgency, right, you had four preseason games,
Speaker 5: teams would feel a bit more of a sense of
Speaker 5: urgency as you got into some of those preseason games.
Speaker 5: Now they don't really value those quite as much, so
Speaker 5: I think with an additional regular season game. He's a
Speaker 5: rookie anyway, If there's not more progress made with Trey Hendrickson,
Speaker 5: you know, maybe there's a little more sense of urgency
Speaker 5: from the Bengals to concede and go back to the
Speaker 5: language they used previously. But I think if Shamar Stewart
Speaker 5: holds strong, which good for him and his agent for
Speaker 5: doing so for the entirety of the offseason. Bengals fans
Speaker 5: may be upset with me saying that, but I always
Speaker 5: look back at fans and say, you do the same
Speaker 5: thing too, if you're in his shoes, and you're not
Speaker 5: asking for anything different than guys who are already on
Speaker 5: the team that have been drafted that same exact position.
Speaker 5: So this is a Bengals change, and this is something
Speaker 5: that they're trying to change moving forward, and they're trying
Speaker 5: to take advantage of Schmoor Stewart and his agent to
Speaker 5: do so, which, to be quite honest, is unfair. Now
Speaker 5: I haven't looked through every new contract they've done this offseason.
Speaker 5: Maybe they're trying to make this language more standard in
Speaker 5: other capacities, but I would imagine that this seems a
Speaker 5: bit unfair based on the president they have set in
Speaker 5: prior years.
Speaker 4: I think it's pretty simple. They get it done. Regardless
Speaker 4: of what the language ends up being, they're going to
Speaker 4: settle on something. Again, if you look at it from
Speaker 4: the standpoint of if he sits out, he's not going
Speaker 4: to make more money coming back and petitioning to try
Speaker 4: to be able to play another season in college. If
Speaker 4: he sits out and doesn't participate, he's not going to
Speaker 4: make more money. And while he won't get fined, I
Speaker 4: can't see how he would get fined because he's not
Speaker 4: an employee officially to the Cincinnati Bengals. He would just
Speaker 4: be basically like almost in no man's leg no man's land,
Speaker 4: so to speak, in and what his situation is. So
Speaker 4: then he's not making any money that way. So I
Speaker 4: just I think the deal gets done, and I think
Speaker 4: it's in the best interest of his representation to make
Speaker 4: sure he gets him the best deal that he can
Speaker 4: possibly get him while making sure he gets him into
Speaker 4: training camp and get him active on the team.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine where this organization would be at if
Speaker 3: they didn't have Joe Burrow, Like just the outlook of
Speaker 3: the organization, not just from a win standpoint, But you know,
Speaker 3: I think people forget how bad they were before he
Speaker 3: got there.
Speaker 4: I think Zach.
Speaker 3: Taylor had won six games in a couple of years,
Speaker 3: and they've got all these contract disputes. But hey, Cincinnati, baby,
Speaker 3: that's the way they operate. Nickel and dime all the way.
Speaker 2: Are they the dollar tree of the NFL? Would you
Speaker 2: say fair enough?
Speaker 6: Dollar tree of dollar general?
Speaker 4: Dang? I mean both of them bad.
Speaker 6: It's bad. They're they're cheaper lee.
Speaker 2: What do you prefer?
Speaker 6: Maybe not bad?
Speaker 4: I mean they're all a dollar dollar tree.