1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. 3 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 2: It's The Dan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio. 4 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 3: LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here in 5 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 3: for Dan and the guys. You can hear us weekday 6 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 3: mornings on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Monday 7 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 3: through Friday, six am Eastern time, three o'clock Pacific. But 8 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 3: we are in for the boys here on this three 9 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 3: hour extravaganza taking you all the way up until noon 10 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 3: Eastern time, nine o'clock Pacific. 11 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 2: Still kind of reeling from lead. 12 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 3: To lap our executive producers hot dog count from yesterday 13 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 3: on National hot Dog Day, revolting the five hot dogs 14 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 3: Lee had yesterday in a four to five hour span 15 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 3: because it was Hot Dog Day? 16 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: Is that more than you've had in your entire life? 17 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 4: Brady? Like that? 18 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 5: I'd have to go back so far to think about 19 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 5: the last time. I mean, I haven't ate many hot dogs. 20 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 5: I threw him up once I was a kid, and 21 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 5: that was kind of it. Once you see, like what 22 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 5: you eat thrown back up, it's hard to then eat 23 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 5: that again. 24 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 6: At least that's that's not his for me. I don't 25 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 6: know if it is for you guys, I mean, is 26 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 6: that is that too much? 27 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 4: That? 28 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 6: Tm? 29 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 3: Huh. 30 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 4: I just have a weak stomach. Man, It's all good. 31 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 5: You If you could have seen the way I threw 32 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 5: up all over this little like back patio. It was 33 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 5: covered and it was a combination of hot dogs, orange. 34 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 6: Juice, and chips. 35 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 5: At like six in the morning, my dad, Chopper came 36 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 5: out and just goes, what the hell. He just he 37 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 5: gets the hose out, He sprang down the back patio. 38 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 6: He sprang me down. 39 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 5: At the same time, I'm like, in my pajamas is 40 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 5: soaking wet with puke and everything on me. 41 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 6: It was, oh, not good. 42 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 4: You know, it brings up a fond memory of throwing 43 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 4: up for for me as well. 44 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 6: You know New Orleans. 45 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 4: No not, I didn't throw up in New Orleans. In 46 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 4: New Orleans, no, no, I did it. I did it. 47 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 4: But my daughter, she didn't want to go to school 48 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 4: this one day in particular, the one that just celebrated 49 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 4: her tenth birthday. And she's like, oh, you know, my 50 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 4: stomach is hurting, like, my stomach hurts. And you know, 51 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 4: you's an eight year old kid, You're like, your stomach 52 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 4: doesn't hurt. Your stomach is going to be just fine. 53 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 4: You gotta go to school. We're driving to school. We 54 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 4: almost are to school. She's like, Dad, my stomach hurts. 55 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 4: And I was like, I was like, it's just odd 56 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 4: that the closer we're getting to school. And before I 57 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 4: could even finish my sentence, she I mean she hit 58 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 4: the back seat up, she hit my arm, the arm rest, 59 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 4: the foot. Oh, you wasn't lying. And it looked like it. 60 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 4: It looked like kepto bismal. I had no idea why 61 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 4: it came out that the color that it did, and 62 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 4: like the texture of what it was. It was bad. 63 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 4: But I turned around and took her home. 64 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 3: Well, what's the old adage, you know, just listen to 65 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 3: your body. It'll tell you everything you need to know. 66 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 3: If something hurts, don't do it, if if if something 67 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 3: comes back. 68 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 4: What if you think somebody's given you an excuse? I 69 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 4: felt bad? 70 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 2: Only one way to prove you wrong. 71 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 4: Well, I've never questioned her again. She was telling the truth. 72 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 4: He got an honest kid, there, I guess. So I 73 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 4: gave it up all love it too. 74 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 2: Well. 75 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 3: I don't know if you know if Russell Wilson's ready 76 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 3: to give it up yet clearly he's not uh. This 77 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 3: was in speaking with Connor Or of Sports Illustrated, Russell 78 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 3: Wilson spoke about how much longer he wants to play 79 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 3: quote five plus years. I can still throw the ball 80 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 3: sixty five seventy yards, I can still move, and I 81 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 3: think I'm capable of doing a lot. It's funny because 82 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 3: to me, being in Denver in my first year, I 83 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 3: was hurt most of the time and battled through it. 84 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 3: The second year, I felt like myself again. Then going 85 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 3: to Pittsburgh, obviously, unfortunately I got injured early in the season, 86 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 3: didn't end up the way we wanted it to, but 87 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 3: it just rejuvenated everything. And then being here in New 88 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 3: York with the Giants, it's like playing at the stadium 89 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 3: again knowing that I've held the trophy here before. So 90 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 3: that was Russell Wilson talking with Connor Orr about his 91 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 3: desire to keep playing four or five more years. This 92 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 3: is his fourth team in five years. Hasn't the market 93 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 3: kind of already spoken on him? And they just drafted 94 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 3: a quarterback in the first round, So it feels like 95 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 3: it's more likely that if. 96 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 4: He brought in a backup that could beat him out. 97 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it just feels like it's more likely that if 98 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 3: he does want to play four or five more years, 99 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 3: it's going to be in situations like this where yeah, 100 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 3: he's the starter for the time being until the rookie 101 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 3: or the younger quarterback gets developed. That's what it feels 102 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 3: like at this point in his career. 103 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 4: God Cue, you got it. 104 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 5: I think it's hard for every athlete. It doesn't matter, 105 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 5: by the way, like at what level, but in particular 106 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 5: when you're at the professional level, and even for someone 107 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 5: who has won a Super Bowl, has been to two, 108 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 5: has you know, played at an MVP level, I think 109 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 5: to feel like they're not able to get the job 110 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 5: done right. I think we all like to some degree. 111 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 5: I mean, again, LeVar, I'm sure there's times when you see, man, man, 112 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 5: you're like, I could take them. Like, if I find 113 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 5: you need to go in for a few plays, I 114 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 5: could do it. Now can you do it consistently for 115 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 5: the entirety of a game, for the entirety of a season. 116 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 5: That's where it gets a lot more difficult, not only 117 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 5: for your level of performance, but just to stay healthy. 118 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 4: I mean. 119 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 5: One of the things that he admitted to you when 120 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 5: he's saying this too, is the injuries that have crept 121 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 5: up more and more. You remember how durable Russell Wilson 122 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 5: was at the beginning of his career, despite the fact 123 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 5: that he put himself in harm's way all the time. 124 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 5: I mean, dude, how often did we see him in 125 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 5: his rookie and even second, third, fourth seas There'd be 126 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 5: these players where you like, holy cow, is Houdini? How 127 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 5: do you find his way out of that? How did 128 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 5: you make that throw? How did you make that player 129 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 5: get out of you know, and scrambled it to run 130 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 5: and pick up the first down. Now, at times, you know, 131 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,239 Speaker 5: he never took the big shot for the most part, 132 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 5: but I think as it wore on and as he 133 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 5: kind of realized that that's harder and harder to do. 134 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 5: As you age and you're not quite as fast or explosive, 135 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 5: your game has to change as well. And I think 136 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 5: that's one of the things that not just for him, 137 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 5: it's difficult for any professional athlete to be able to 138 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 5: see that because the game mentally is slown down, like 139 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 5: what you see out there is like in slow mow. 140 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 5: You know where everyone's supposed to be, you know what 141 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 5: the responsibilities are. Then it becomes more of a battle 142 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 5: of the physical and your ability to actually do it 143 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 5: and get your body to do what you wanted to 144 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 5: do when you need it to be done. And that's 145 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 5: where I feel like there's a bit of a disconnect 146 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 5: probably between you know, how how he's feeling, how he's played, 147 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 5: but what he thinks about, you know, everything mentally, because 148 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 5: he's like, dude, this game's never felt easier in my 149 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 5: mind watching it and seeing it. So it's it's just 150 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 5: kind of interesting to me when you hear these words 151 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 5: because at times, you know they might come off it 152 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 5: sound like Uncle Rico from Napoleon Dynamite. 153 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 6: You know, it comes off a little bit like that. 154 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 6: But how much you want to make a bet I 155 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 6: can throw a football over. 156 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 7: The mountain, I'll just say, like, at times it feels 157 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 7: like that, but then at other times you go, okay, 158 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 7: like he just feels like he's healthy. 159 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 5: Now, he's in a better spot to go and perform. 160 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 5: But time will tell. I mean the draft pick two 161 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 5: behind him that you know the fans are gonna be 162 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 5: clamoring for him. The organization is eventually gonna want to 163 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 5: see what they have in Jackson Dart. He's obviously a 164 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 5: first rund draft pick for a reason. So the running 165 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 5: is not kind of already on the wall. And I 166 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 5: think that's what makes it difficult for Russell Wilson. The 167 00:07:58,440 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 5: spot he has to. 168 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 6: Hit the ground running. 169 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 5: There can't be any lag or stall or anything in 170 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 5: his performance. And the injuries like he had last year 171 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 5: starting off in Pittsburgh where he couldn't get into the 172 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 5: season healthy, none of that can take place. He's got 173 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 5: a very very slim margin for air to start this thing, 174 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 5: get off on a hot start to maintain being the 175 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 5: starting quarterback. 176 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 3: By the way, to your point, he didn't miss a 177 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 3: start until his last year in Seattle, and I think 178 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 3: that was the mallet finger he suffered. He suffered the 179 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 3: mallet finger his final year in Seattle, and then he 180 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 3: missed a couple of games, But before that, never missed 181 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 3: a game, never missed a start his entire career. 182 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 5: And by the way, and I've told you this because 183 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 5: I to this day, i'd male finger my my index 184 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 5: fingers on my throng hands. 185 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 6: Never never felt the same after that. 186 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 5: And you know, again, I don't know exactly what he 187 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 5: went through from the procedure everything else, And it sounds 188 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 5: like something so small like LeVar. 189 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 6: Is probably like, oh, like what are you your index finger? 190 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 5: No, but it's like for a throw, it's important, right 191 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 5: like that, that's like a little thing where you see 192 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 5: like a major league baseball pitcher, he's like on the 193 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 5: il for like a hangnail, but like it's kind of 194 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 5: important if they can't throw the way they need to. 195 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 5: And I don't know that he's ever been the same 196 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 5: throwing the football in his career after that, and again 197 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 5: something small, but those injuries add up and it changes 198 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 5: the way you play. 199 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 4: Let me throw this out at you, guys. We talked 200 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 4: about Bill Belichick or excuse me, Robert Kraft and what 201 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 4: he had to say and taking the risk in hiring 202 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 4: Bill Belichick, which to me was a flex to remind 203 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 4: people like, let's slow down here. Let's not get carried 204 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 4: away about talking about Bill Belichick because he's going to 205 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 4: be a Hall of Fame coach. Let's not get carried 206 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 4: away about who he was a part of making a 207 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 4: legendary player. And Tom Brady because I'm the one that 208 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 4: made it all possible with what I did. He's searching 209 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 4: for that validation, he's searching for that appreciation. I look 210 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:57,359 Speaker 4: at Russell Wilson, and I think he's searching for the validation. 211 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 4: I think he's still searching for or the appreciation. He's 212 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 4: going to two Super Bowls, as you've mentioned, he's won 213 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 4: one Super Bowl, as we've mentioned. I don't know what 214 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 4: the ten Pro Bowls are. I don't know if they 215 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 4: are first first ballot Pro Bowlers or if they're alternate 216 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 4: Pro Bowlers, which it does. I mean at some point, 217 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 4: I don't know if it still matters, but at some 218 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 4: point it mattered if you were an alternate versus if 219 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 4: you were a starter to the Pro Bowl. So I 220 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 4: don't know how many of those ten are one or 221 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 4: the other. But outside of that, he's never been a 222 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 4: first team All Pro. And if you look at his 223 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 4: body of work, if he's not as appreciated as he 224 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 4: needs to be going into retirement or possibly ending up 225 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 4: being a career backup for the rest of his time 226 00:10:55,679 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 4: as an NFL player, is he at risk of not 227 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 4: being a Hall of Famer. And I wonder if that 228 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 4: is what's circulating in his mind within this five year 229 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 4: period of time. I'm in a great market. It's a 230 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 4: really good situation to be in. I know New York 231 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 4: has struggled, but I'm kind of high on this Giants 232 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 4: team this year. I think they're going to surprise some people. 233 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 4: And if he can be the catalyst at the quarterback's 234 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 4: position in that that type of a season doing it 235 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 4: in New York, is one year enough depending on what 236 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 4: type of success they have to solidify his career, or 237 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 4: does it take one. I think at this point I 238 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 4: throw it out at you, guys, and you could take 239 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 4: it however, you know where you want to take it. 240 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 4: But I think he still needs more more than one 241 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 4: good season to solidify being at least a first ballot 242 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 4: Hall of Famer let alone, possibly could miss being a 243 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 4: Hall of Famer if he doesn't have critical years in 244 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 4: these last few years that he has in the league 245 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 4: as a starter. 246 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 3: Which is kind of crazy considering if you were to say, 247 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 3: second to last year in Seattle, all right, guys in 248 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 3: the NFL, that are you think are going to be 249 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 3: Hall of Famers? He would have been one that I 250 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 3: would have thought had been a Hall of Famer. But 251 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 3: the post Seattle era has been so up and down 252 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 3: and played out so poorly publicly that I do wonder 253 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 3: if now the perception of him has changed from people 254 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,599 Speaker 3: around the league because it feels I mean even J C. 255 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 3: Trettor was you know, throwing him under the bus, you 256 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 3: know for not you know, not getting the contract that 257 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:37,719 Speaker 3: he was looking. 258 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 2: For and all that. 259 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 3: It just feels like there's a well, when the discussion 260 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 3: happens around Russell Wilson, it's never positive anymore. And that 261 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 3: was never the case in Seattle until the end. 262 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 4: Until the end. 263 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I felt like last year got positive. I mean, 264 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 5: he came in and gave Pittsburgh a spark on offense. 265 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,839 Speaker 5: I know the season didn't end the way they wanted 266 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 5: it to, and he probably wasn't playing his best towards 267 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 5: the end, but you know, you factor in the picking, 268 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 5: you know, sometimes deciding he wants to be out there. 269 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 6: Maybe he doesn't. I don't know. 270 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 5: I mean there was a compilation I saw in social 271 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,239 Speaker 5: media last season when I was like I could only imagine, 272 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 5: like I was fortunate enough to play with so many 273 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 5: receivers that you know, you knew when they were upset, 274 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 5: you knew when they wanted the ball, and maybe they 275 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 5: weren't getting the ball either because the defense was taking 276 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 5: them away or they weren't the number one read on 277 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 5: a certain progression. You know, there were sometimes guys where 278 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 5: they're just having bad days or they get too emotional 279 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 5: about it, and you would see that from time to time, 280 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 5: but I never had anyone who I felt like just 281 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 5: wasn't going to participate in the play. I mean there's 282 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 5: times where I felt like that watching him last year, 283 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 5: So that played a role as well. 284 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 6: I just. 285 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 5: I had a former head coach tell me one time, 286 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 5: when you start moving around to teams, He's like, it's 287 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 5: really really hard to gain traction again. 288 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 6: And he told me this at this point when. 289 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 5: I was a backup, and you know, really they were 290 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 5: offering me an opportunity to come back as a backup, 291 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 5: and I just I wanted to take a chance to 292 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 5: go see if I can compete to start, or be 293 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 5: in a situation where if I was a backup, I'd 294 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 5: have a better chance of playing. Like to me, I 295 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 5: hated holding a clipboard, I hated sitting in meeting rooms 296 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 5: and baskey being an insurance agent, Like that's what you 297 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 5: are as a backup quarterback. You're the insurance policy where 298 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 5: you go in and all of a sudden you've got 299 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 5: to feel in the void like a starter, not getting 300 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 5: the preparation, not getting the practice as far as the 301 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 5: same as a starter. 302 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 6: But that's the expectation. 303 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 5: And I was always like, MANI stinks like I always 304 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 5: needed reps. You know, I was slow to learn how 305 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 5: to read when I was young. I was I was 306 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 5: always kind of slower to develop in that regard. So 307 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 5: I was always someone who wanted to have, you know, more, 308 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 5: more of an opportunity to play and to actually learn 309 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 5: from experience. And I think that's the tough part for 310 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 5: Russell Wilson, is you get to this point where you 311 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 5: can't find traction. 312 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 4: How long did it take? 313 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 6: I don't know how long it took. 314 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 5: I'd have to go back and talk to my mom, 315 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 5: but I just remember, you know, her needing to take 316 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 5: extra time, meaning need to take a little extra time 317 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 5: in school as well. 318 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 4: But again I digress. Ye, I'm sorry. 319 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 5: I think one of the things is when you get 320 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 5: to a point like you're saying, Jonas, what four teams 321 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 5: in five years? It gets hard to find traction because 322 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 5: everyone that's there around you hasn't experienced the success you 323 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 5: had in Seattle. They don't know you that credibility. No, no, 324 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 5: I mean, think about think about this, like think about 325 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 5: how long US three now have worked together. We were 326 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 5: together for years now, so we know when we see 327 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 5: each other at Super Bowl whatever, we like, we know 328 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 5: what to expect. We know, like even if hey, one 329 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 5: of us goes out with Lee, you know, Lee's a 330 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 5: wild time. Like we know we're still we know we're 331 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 5: US three with Lee. We know US three is still 332 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 5: going to show up and perform. Now we don't know 333 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 5: if Lee will be there, but we know US three 334 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 5: will show up and perform. But like that's not the case. Now, 335 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 5: he's got to build that back up. You know, he's 336 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 5: only one Chili Cheese National Chili Cheese Dog. Hot Dog 337 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 5: did away from you know, gassing up. Christopher Fetter's not 338 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 5: gonna be able to produce this show anymore. 339 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 4: That man could have shown up with chip teeth, He 340 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 4: could have been hit ran over by a mac truck. 341 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 4: I mean, there were several different scenarios that could have 342 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 4: played out where I mean he didn't want to show 343 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 4: up to one event because all of the cuts and 344 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 4: scrapes on it on his face. I mean, it's just 345 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 4: it's bad Lee. It's a it's a it's a very 346 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 4: stressful time to wonder if we're going to roll with 347 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 4: Lee when it's a week long trip. That's that's It's 348 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 4: a great it's a great example, and in comparison, it's 349 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 4: a great compre And. 350 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: Then I step up as the d H in the 351 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 2: on Friday when you guys were hurting. 352 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 4: No, we weren't hurting. We we were we I mean, 353 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 4: we were tired. It was the end of the week. 354 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 6: You only didn't go out because you face planted. That's 355 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 6: why you didn't go out. 356 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 4: Still showed up. 357 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 5: The next day. Yeah, but I'm saying you didn't go 358 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 5: out that night like we did. Your nose, that's why 359 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 5: we were hurting so bad on Friday. 360 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 6: You were on I R. You're in your hotel. 361 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 4: Definitely, But we're a team, baby. 362 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 6: Basketball. 363 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 2: I was trying. 364 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 3: I was feeding him drinks Thursday night before and he 365 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 3: was not saying shock, he was not saying. 366 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 4: I'm just saying you were bold enough to actually go 367 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 4: on the journey into you know, downtown, into to uh 368 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 4: what's the street called Bourbon Street. Yeah, you guys, I 369 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 4: just can't believe that you would do it, like, of 370 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 4: all places to go with Lee where you knew it 371 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 4: was the wrong place where he would be Bourbon Street 372 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 4: would be tops on. 373 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 8: That he was. 374 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 3: He had like a three hour head start. I said, yeah, 375 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 3: I'll go check it out. And the best part is 376 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 3: I called Brady and because you were like you just 377 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 3: like staying in the hotel, And I called Brady. 378 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 6: He's like, all, what do you think? 379 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 2: And do you want to get dinner? 380 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 3: I was like, I kind of want to check out 381 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 3: Bourbon Street and Brady's like, yeah, I'm definitely not doing that, Like, okay, oh, 382 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 3: I've never been, so I want to go check it out. 383 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 2: And I get there. 384 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 5: By the way, in my defense, this is also after 385 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 5: a dude got killed. 386 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 6: I'm pretty sure he got drugged and killed. 387 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 5: Not saying that situation would play out for me, but 388 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 5: you know, it's not the safest place and it's like, 389 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 5: you know, we had one more night here, you know, 390 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 5: why put that at risk? 391 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 4: Right? Yeah, we were safe in the hotel. 392 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 6: Why would we leave a good time with Avar to 393 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 6: go find a good time? 394 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean we have a good time, we make 395 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 4: the party. But Lee apparently he has to have more 396 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 4: he has and so I went and found that hand 397 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 4: grenade that I was on assignment. I was on assignment. 398 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 5: We did see our entire Fox crew. To Jonas, you 399 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 5: were like leaving at the worst possible time for your 400 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 5: professional career. 401 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, there was some dead man walking and that now 402 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 4: that you look back on it. 403 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 2: To so so it's. 404 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 4: A great point. 405 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 3: I how you think about it. Well, listen to lead 406 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 3: the lap Is. You know, he's like our trust the 407 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 3: old ride. And if you're still driving your trust the 408 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 3: old ride, keep it looking sharp with Maco from DNSE 409 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 3: to faded Paint, We've got you covered. Get a free 410 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 3: estmate today. 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But right now we 439 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 3: turn it over to the man himself, senior NFL reporter, 440 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 3: lead content strategists at the MMQB. You see him on Amazon, 441 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 3: NFL on Primes coverage during the year, and you can 442 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 3: get him on ex at Albert Breer AB what's happening 443 00:20:59,040 --> 00:20:59,959 Speaker 3: Good Thursday morning too. 444 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 8: Yeah, what's up, guys? I can actually see you. I 445 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 8: know it's been get that all worked out like where 446 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 8: we get actually passed it through, right, but we're working 447 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 8: towards it sounds like. 448 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 6: This is unfortunate though, Albert. 449 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 5: Now we don't get your uh, your wife, you don't 450 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 5: get your kids ask you you're getting to the van 451 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 5: to head up for a hockey tournament. 452 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 8: Though, that's right, not in the on the front porch 453 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 8: where like I'm at risk for like the blue stooth 454 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 8: kicking off the tahoe yeah. 455 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 5: Yeah, or the or the dog in the background or 456 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 5: any of the other many things that have tried to 457 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 5: interrupt our interview with you. 458 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 8: We have we have two dogs here now, so like 459 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 8: there's even more risk because it's just kind of puppy 460 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 8: and he's also an Aussie. Anybody who's had one of 461 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 8: those notes out loud, they are so uh so yeah, 462 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 8: Archie might be making uh making a debut of here's 463 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 8: here in the next few weeks. 464 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 6: Why did you get Why did you get an Aussie? 465 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 8: Because that's our first time get if we have an 466 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 8: ostie alreadyn getting another one because my wife likes to breathe. 467 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 8: It's easy answer and I'm not gonna win. 468 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 4: The argument is the after Archie Griffith. Was that the compromise? 469 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 8: That's right? 470 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there you go, figure figure that's what it was. 471 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 8: How able everybody's gonna think it's after Archie Manning or 472 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 8: if we start calling him Art to be after arch Manning. 473 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 8: So anyway, that's the real life. Yeah, I will say 474 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 8: this though, we went from like this wasn't on my 475 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 8: radar two weeks ago. So now we have a puppy 476 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 8: living here, so it shows you how much control I 477 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 8: have over my own house. 478 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 3: Are you surprised Albert and obviously covering the team? Uh, 479 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 3: in covering the team and being around the situation for 480 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 3: as long as you were up in the New England area. 481 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 3: Are you surprised to see Belichick pushback the way he 482 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 3: did on ESPN when Robert Kraft talked about the big 483 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 3: risk he took in hiring him. 484 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 5: Yeah. 485 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 8: The crazy thing about it is like the Craft said 486 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 8: this a million times. There's you could if you google 487 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,719 Speaker 8: the keywords in there, I'm sure you could find fifty 488 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 8: times that Robert Craft has said that. And clearly it's 489 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 8: something that Bill's got a problem with. Like wait a minute, 490 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 8: Like you were the one that took the risk, like 491 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,239 Speaker 8: I came into a situation that was broken and had 492 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 8: to rebuild it, right, like, so clearly he had a 493 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 8: problem with it. And I find it, like I'm not 494 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 8: source guessing here or whatever, but I find it hard 495 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 8: to believe that Don van Natta was listening to like 496 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 8: the Dudes on Dudes podcasts and thought to call Bill. 497 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 8: So my guess is that Bill was the one that 498 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 8: prompted that conversation, which means that Bill felt strongly enough 499 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 8: to reach out to a reporter on it. And Don 500 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 8: van Natta, of course, is the reporter who's done some 501 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 8: of the work on some of the discord and the 502 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 8: Patriots organization over the last twenty years, and so picking 503 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 8: that specific reporter to talk to I think has context too. 504 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 8: So you know, my main takeaway is Bill's got a 505 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 8: hair across ass about Robert vice versa. Is this becoming 506 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 8: Jimmy Jerry? 507 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 4: Guys? It has those type types of characteristics. Oh that's 508 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 4: a hot Yeah, it's sort. 509 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 8: Of like it doesn't it? Well, did you accomplished so 510 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 8: much together and you can't leave ball enough alone? You 511 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 8: know what I mean? Like, And it's interesting too, because 512 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 8: the third figure in all of this is Tom Brady. 513 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 8: And you know what I think is really fascinating about 514 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 8: that if you look at how these things come about, Well, 515 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 8: Bill posts Tom, you know, makes the playoffs of one 516 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 8: and the team circle with the drain. Robert pat posts 517 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 8: Tom is with Bill for that, then hires girod Mao, 518 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 8: fires him after a year and has to fall in 519 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 8: the sort of thing he was wrong about a bunch 520 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 8: of things. And so now those two are going at it, 521 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 8: and you got Tom sitting back, and you know why 522 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 8: he doesn't have to say a thing is because he 523 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 8: went to Tampa, made the playoffs four years or three 524 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 8: years in a row, and got a rent. So you know, 525 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 8: it's just interesting how kind of the post stretch to 526 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 8: the to the to the dynasty is to one guy 527 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 8: who had a ton of success right after is the 528 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 8: one who could just kind of sit back and let 529 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 8: the other two sight. 530 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 6: So so this is why. 531 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,479 Speaker 5: And we talked about this a little bit earlier, and 532 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 5: I said that I don't have a problem with Robert 533 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 5: Craft saying it took a risk to hire Bill Belichick. 534 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 5: But if someone asks you, what's your biggest risk, I 535 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 5: don't know that Bill Belichick was at the top of 536 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 5: the list, he had close to a five hundred record 537 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 5: as far as being adage. Prior to that, he was 538 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 5: already hired by another team. So clearly they were okay 539 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 5: with that five hundred record, as was Robert Kraft. And 540 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 5: yes they had to give up a first round pick, 541 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 5: but it's it's not as if Robert Craft was necessarily 542 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 5: great before that point in time as an owner in 543 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 5: drafting first round pick. So it leads me to say, 544 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 5: in your mind, was was this the biggest risk really 545 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 5: Robert Craft took? I mean, Jonas brought up ages of 546 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 5: orchid orchids, sports of AGAs. 547 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 3: Geez, guys, guys trying to blow some steam off for 548 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 3: God's sake. 549 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I don't know. 550 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 8: Let's move that one to the side for a minute. 551 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, ab answer the question, abe, question aside, honestly, honestly. 552 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 6: Say flip over, is that what you said? 553 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 8: My gosh, don't get me in trouble here, Like I 554 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 8: don't need to. I don't taking right now. Here's what 555 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 8: I like, Like I would say the bigger risks, like 556 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 8: I think the decision to do what he did with 557 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 8: Bill Parcells the very beginning, as much success as they 558 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 8: were having, like taking power away from Bill Parcells after 559 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 8: Bill Parcells had and I I mean I was a 560 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 8: kid then growing up in this region, and Bill Parcells 561 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 8: was like the messiah, like no one that franchise was 562 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 8: a laughing stuck and Bill Parcells the one who's got it, 563 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 8: who dragged it out of the ditch and gave it credibility. 564 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 8: So I think taking power away from Bill Parcell's and 565 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 8: eventually driving them away was probably the biggest risk that 566 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 8: Robert Kraft ever took at the time when he hired Belichick. 567 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 8: I mean, he's sort of in this position where he 568 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 8: like his like his reputation wasn't in a great spot, 569 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 8: so he didn't have as much to lose like when 570 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 8: he did that with Parcels. He had a lot to lose. 571 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 8: When he made the decision to go with Bill over 572 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 8: Brady right in twenty twenty and the years leading up 573 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 8: to that, that was a massive risks. He had ton 574 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 8: to lose. So I tend to think, like when you're 575 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 8: assessing risks, a lot of like a lot of what 576 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 8: risk is is how much do you have to lose? 577 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 8: And I think in nineteen ninety six and in two 578 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 8: thy and twenty Robert katsaid way more to losing those 579 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 8: decisions that he made versus you know where he was 580 00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 8: in the year two thousands. 581 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 4: Listen, we're having the conversation as it applies to Robert 582 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 4: Kraft and ultimately the comparisons or or the back and 583 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 4: floor between him and Belichick. How much does this put 584 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 4: a almost a target on on Mike Rabel coming in. 585 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 4: Mike was a part of these teams as well. And 586 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 4: maybe that's something that maybe Robert Kraft isn't thinking about, 587 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 4: is by doing these these having these conversations, I mean, 588 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 4: you're putting seemingly a whole lot of pressure on Mike 589 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 4: Rabel to have to do something with this team where 590 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 4: they're at right now. 591 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a weird spot to be in for sure. 592 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 8: Like I don't know, I mean, Mike would probably want 593 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 8: to smack me in the back of the head. I 594 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 8: feel like if you heard me say that, it's almost 595 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 8: like a kid with his divorced parents who are in court, 596 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 8: you know what I mean. It's just because I mean, 597 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 8: Mike was a player here, you know, and you can't 598 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 8: take that context out of it. So like he's one 599 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 8: of these guys like an Edelman who had that interview 600 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 8: with Kraft and like so many guys that went through 601 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 8: the place that you know, like you're going to be 602 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 8: asked about it, you know what I mean, Like and 603 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 8: at some point like it's going to come up, and 604 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 8: it's a topic that hovers over things. That said, I 605 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 8: think if anybody equipped to deal with it and has 606 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 8: the right kind of approach towards these things and be 607 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 8: Mike Rabel, because I just don't think I think Brabel 608 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 8: is as the type of guy who can say I 609 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 8: don't give a damn about that, that's not my problem 610 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 8: and get away with it. You know, Like there are 611 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 8: a lot of people who say that you wouldn't believe them, 612 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 8: like I think Mike can make that believable. So like, 613 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 8: I think in one sense, there's the former player Mice 614 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 8: right like, who like so many of these guys, it's 615 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 8: like two people that were so central to what was 616 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 8: going on when you were having your greatest professional success 617 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 8: are fighting and it's weird to be asked questions about 618 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 8: those two people while they're fighting. So that's the former 619 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 8: player Mike. But I think Mike right now would be 620 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 8: more focused on being the coach and you know, having 621 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 8: that thing go focus, saying like that's not our problem 622 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 8: to his team, like that's something I think that he's 623 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 8: an equal position to sell. 624 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 3: Albert Brier joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. It's 625 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 3: two pros and a cup of Joe filling in for 626 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 3: Dan Patrick and the guys. Is there the potential we 627 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 3: see any sort of crazy blockbuster trade take place with 628 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 3: these guys looking for extensions and not able to get 629 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 3: them done, whether it be Hendrickson, McLaurin, TJ. 630 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 2: Watt, et cetera. 631 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 8: I just think it's too many in the case is 632 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 8: there's like too much much interest in getting something done. 633 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 8: Like with what the reason you the reason you acquire 634 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 8: Aaron Rodgers in the first place is to serve TJ. Watt, right, 635 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 8: Like it's to serve the core that you had in play. 636 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 8: And so like what you're doing getting Aaron Rodgers and 637 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 8: leading into the guys that we're already there and saying, okay, 638 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 8: we only have one or two swing fluff with this 639 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 8: crew with your TJ. Watts If you're Cam Hayward, so 640 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 8: so like, how would it make sense to go out 641 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 8: and get Aaron Rodgers and get DK Metcalf and get 642 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 8: Jalen Ramsey and get Darius play and then move off 643 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 8: the best player from the core that you're trying to serve. 644 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 8: And if your t GA want, is there a situation 645 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 8: that you could go to that would be better than 646 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 8: the one that you're already in, or would you look 647 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 8: at it and say, this is what I've been waiting 648 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 8: for since Ben Roethlisberger retired. It's having an answer like this. 649 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 8: At the quarterback position. With McLaurin, it's like, I know 650 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 8: Terry values being like a one team guy and being 651 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 8: a guy who wrote out gig Rudin, Ron Rivera, the 652 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 8: Salo team, the nickname change, all that different stuff, and 653 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 8: being kind of a belt weather for the entire franchise. 654 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 8: I know he really values that. And for dan Quinn, 655 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 8: like Harry represents everything they're looking for. So I'd say 656 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 8: like in most of these situations, you're looking at it 657 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 8: like there's too much usual interest in getting something done. 658 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 8: There's a lot of cage rattling going on now, but 659 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 8: when the deadlines come, you think they're going to get 660 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 8: something done. So Hendrickson thing is the one that I 661 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 8: look at and it's a little less predictable because that 662 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 8: one's played out over multiple off seasons, and that one 663 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 8: there are just some moving parts as to how you 664 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 8: pay pass rushers, and then the structure of the deal. 665 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 8: Does he do a deal like the structure like the 666 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 8: one Burrow and Chase it? Does he do a deal 667 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,959 Speaker 8: that structured like the one that Higgins did. There are 668 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 8: a lot of moving parts that the Henderson one and 669 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 8: a lot of history there that would say there's no 670 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 8: way he's taking any sort of hometown discount, and so 671 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 8: where is the comper might come? That would be the. 672 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 5: Question, Albert, I want to ask you about these second 673 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 5: round draft picks. Two have signed fully guaranteed deals. There 674 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 5: were thirty unsigned. However, it looks like Alfred Collins has 675 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 5: to side with the forty nine ers to sign a 676 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 5: deal that is not fully guaranteed only about eighty percent, 677 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 5: give or take. 678 00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 6: A couple of questions. We don't have a ton of 679 00:32:59,240 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 6: time left. 680 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 5: Why now, Why has either the NFLPA or the agents 681 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 5: who have been involved pushed for this to get these 682 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 5: contracts fully guaranteed? And I guess furthermore, when you're looking 683 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 5: at the Alfred Collins deal, I would assume you think 684 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 5: the rest are probably gonna fall suit. There's not gonna 685 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 5: be a lot of guys getting fully guaranteed deals, or 686 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 5: is there a mark in the draft where they're staying, like, hey, 687 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 5: top fifty or you know those, all those guys will 688 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 5: be fully guaranteed. 689 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 6: But then after that probably not. 690 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 8: I don't think. I don't have an infirm of me. 691 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 8: I think Brady did, like he was. I think forty 692 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 8: third overall, is that right? Yeah? Yeah, correct, yeah, forty 693 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 8: three Okay. So the way this happened, so the Texans 694 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 8: really wanted to get like a certain structure with their 695 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 8: contracts and were and wanted to get it done early 696 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 8: with Jayden Higgins. So they agreed to do the fully 697 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 8: guaranteed deal and then Higgins Higgins agrees to the Texans structure, 698 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 8: and so they're able to get that done early taking 699 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 8: care of fully guaranteed. Then the next day, the very 700 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 8: next day, this is two months ago, Carson Swussinger, who 701 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 8: is a thirty third pick, kickers with thirty four. He 702 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 8: does the deal, so now he's got a fully guaranteed deal. 703 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 8: So you have the top two guys having a fully 704 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 8: guaranteed deal. The thirty fifth pick is Nick Emon Worri 705 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 8: the South Carolina staty who went to Seattle and like 706 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 8: he was widely projected by a lot of people to 707 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 8: be at least a fringe first round pick. So he's 708 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 8: got his head. Now here's people having his head. Well, 709 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 8: we need to get a full guaranteed deal. Then the 710 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 8: thirty six pick is punched on Judkins, who obviously is 711 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,359 Speaker 8: going through the offfield stuff now, but even before that, 712 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 8: it was like, well, Nick, you just gave Carson Swssinger 713 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 8: three picks before me a fully guaranteed deal, so I 714 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 8: need to get one. So now, if you're looking at 715 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 8: this and you think at thirty five to thirty six, 716 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 8: are pushing for it. If you're the agent for the 717 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 8: thirty seventh picks, the thirty eight picks, the thirty nine pick, 718 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 8: you're not going to do anything until that gets done. 719 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,879 Speaker 8: Then you have the fortieth pick, which is a quarterback. Right, 720 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,240 Speaker 8: the quarterbacks have always done deals a little bit differently. 721 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 8: So the Shocks in New Orleans says he get a 722 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 8: bully guaranteed deal there at forty, because if he doesn't 723 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 8: bully guarantee deal at forty and you're thirty nine, thirty eight, 724 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 8: thirty seven, it's gonna make you look bad as an 725 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 8: agent as a player if you don't get one. So 726 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 8: this thing has been complicated, and I think it's going 727 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 8: to sort of tinge on what happens with Eamon Wori, 728 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 8: you know, then potentially what happens with Juckins. We'll see 729 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 8: what happens with the Arizona Guard that when you know 730 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 8: Jonas Abaya who went thirty seventh overall, Trevan Henderson thirty eight. 731 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 8: Like I it's just I think it's going to have 732 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 8: to almost have it would almost have to be in order, 733 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 8: like there has to be a Domino exect or the 734 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,399 Speaker 8: quarterback gets done earlier. It's it's complicated. I do think 735 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 8: Collins deal can help with players behind him, right, so 736 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 8: after forty three, maybe that helps move the needle on 737 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 8: guys that were drafted behind Alfred Collins, But as far 738 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 8: as the guys that were drafted in front of them, 739 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 8: I still say think you're kind of at that sale 740 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 8: name where you're waiting for either Seattle and even Worri 741 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 8: or New Orleans and Tyler Stock to get something done. 742 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,320 Speaker 3: He is Albert Breer, Senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist 743 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 3: at the MMQB. You see his work on Amazon's NFL 744 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 3: on prime coverage. You can get him on x at 745 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 3: Albert Breer AB. We appreciate it. Good luck with the 746 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 3: puppy and we'll talk next week. 747 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 8: All right, Thank Bett. 748 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 3: There, he is, the great Albert Breer with us here 749 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,359 Speaker 3: on Fox Sports Radio. It is the Dan Patrick Show 750 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,439 Speaker 3: here on FSR. Two Pros and a cup of Joe 751 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 3: filling in for Dan and the guys, and up next, 752 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 3: an interesting situation to monitor in the NFL. We've got 753 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 3: it for you right here on FSR. 754 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan 755 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern, six am Pacific 756 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio w APP. 757 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 3: Two pros and a cup of Joe in for the 758 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 3: Dan Patrick Show Here on Fox Sports Radio. It's LeVar Arrington, 759 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 3: Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox in for the guys. Coming off 760 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,439 Speaker 3: top of next hour, a little over ten minutes from now, 761 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 3: we are going to tell you about some conflicting reports 762 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 3: on a hot time in the NFL. 763 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 2: That'll be yours here on Fox Sports Radio. 764 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 3: I want to remind you that you can stream this 765 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 3: show and all of our Fox Sports Radio shows live. 766 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 3: Twenty four to seven In the new and improved iHeart 767 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 3: Radio app, just search Fox Sports Radio and the app 768 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 3: to streams live. 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So we were talking 774 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 3: with Albert about the second round picks, and we were 775 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 3: talking about some of the other movement potentially in the NFL. 776 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 3: What is the best guess you guys have as to 777 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,439 Speaker 3: how this whole Shamar Stewart fiasco in Cincinnati plays out, 778 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 3: Cause I can't figure out why they're in the place 779 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 3: they are, especially knowing that it's not like it's an 780 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 3: outrageous demand. He's asking for what was done previously by 781 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 3: the organization with other draft picks taken in the first round. 782 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 2: How's this whole thing going to finish up? 783 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,839 Speaker 5: He'll end up joining the team and playing I mean 784 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 5: deadlines do deals. We aren't at that point of the 785 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 5: summer yet where we're getting close to the start of 786 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 5: the season. You know, when there are sixteen games, there's 787 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,800 Speaker 5: a sense of urgency, right, you had four preseason games, 788 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 5: teams would feel a bit more of a sense of 789 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 5: urgency as you got into some of those preseason games. 790 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 5: Now they don't really value those quite as much, so 791 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 5: I think with an additional regular season game. He's a 792 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 5: rookie anyway, If there's not more progress made with Trey Hendrickson, 793 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 5: you know, maybe there's a little more sense of urgency 794 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 5: from the Bengals to concede and go back to the 795 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 5: language they used previously. But I think if Shamar Stewart 796 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 5: holds strong, which good for him and his agent for 797 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 5: doing so for the entirety of the offseason. Bengals fans 798 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,280 Speaker 5: may be upset with me saying that, but I always 799 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 5: look back at fans and say, you do the same 800 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 5: thing too, if you're in his shoes, and you're not 801 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 5: asking for anything different than guys who are already on 802 00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 5: the team that have been drafted that same exact position. 803 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 5: So this is a Bengals change, and this is something 804 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 5: that they're trying to change moving forward, and they're trying 805 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 5: to take advantage of Schmoor Stewart and his agent to 806 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 5: do so, which, to be quite honest, is unfair. Now 807 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,239 Speaker 5: I haven't looked through every new contract they've done this offseason. 808 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 5: Maybe they're trying to make this language more standard in 809 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,319 Speaker 5: other capacities, but I would imagine that this seems a 810 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 5: bit unfair based on the president they have set in 811 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 5: prior years. 812 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:29,359 Speaker 4: I think it's pretty simple. They get it done. Regardless 813 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 4: of what the language ends up being, they're going to 814 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,359 Speaker 4: settle on something. Again, if you look at it from 815 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 4: the standpoint of if he sits out, he's not going 816 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,839 Speaker 4: to make more money coming back and petitioning to try 817 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 4: to be able to play another season in college. If 818 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 4: he sits out and doesn't participate, he's not going to 819 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 4: make more money. And while he won't get fined, I 820 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 4: can't see how he would get fined because he's not 821 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 4: an employee officially to the Cincinnati Bengals. He would just 822 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 4: be basically like almost in no man's leg no man's land, 823 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 4: so to speak, in and what his situation is. So 824 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 4: then he's not making any money that way. So I 825 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 4: just I think the deal gets done, and I think 826 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 4: it's in the best interest of his representation to make 827 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 4: sure he gets him the best deal that he can 828 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 4: possibly get him while making sure he gets him into 829 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 4: training camp and get him active on the team. 830 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,719 Speaker 3: Can you imagine where this organization would be at if 831 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,320 Speaker 3: they didn't have Joe Burrow, Like just the outlook of 832 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:40,279 Speaker 3: the organization, not just from a win standpoint, But you know, 833 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 3: I think people forget how bad they were before he 834 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 3: got there. 835 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 4: I think Zach. 836 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 3: Taylor had won six games in a couple of years, 837 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 3: and they've got all these contract disputes. But hey, Cincinnati, baby, 838 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 3: that's the way they operate. Nickel and dime all the way. 839 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,719 Speaker 2: Are they the dollar tree of the NFL? Would you 840 00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 2: say fair enough? 841 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,720 Speaker 6: Dollar tree of dollar general? 842 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,399 Speaker 4: Dang? I mean both of them bad. 843 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 6: It's bad. They're they're cheaper lee. 844 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 2: What do you prefer? 845 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 6: Maybe not bad? 846 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:12,799 Speaker 4: I mean they're all a dollar dollar tree.