WEBVTT - Tab 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:12.600 R and B Money, than take valati. We are the 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:18.480 authorities on all R and B. Ladies and gentlemen, my 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:21.439 name is Tank and this come on. 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:25.400 This is the R and B Money Podcast, the authority 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:29.160 on all things. 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:29.680 R and B. 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:35.280 You only know it if you can do it. You 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:39.640 can only curate it if you have the experience and 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:42.280 has been a part of this thing. 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:46.520 Have you done it? Have you had? Do you have? Number? Ones? 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:47.640 On? 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:48.199 Ones on one? 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:50.200 Don't tell me how to make a record if you've 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:53.479 never made a record. Don't talk to me about your 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:57.760 relationships if you don't have relationships. 0:00:57.840 --> 0:00:58.600 Returning to. 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:05.040 That's picture, that's that, that's big ship, that's pure ship, 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:05.880 big ship. 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:12.319 That's a great song. I want say big things popping, 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:19.800 he little things stopping, not even jer Our friend is here. 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:26.840 He goes about one name. When his name everybody knows 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:33.600 his motherfucking name. Notes and gentlemen, our guy, your guy, yay, 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:40.080 the godfather right here, two feet away, he's right here. 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:42.160 What's up? Are you feeling? Vab blessed man? 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:45.600 Glad to have y'all in Atlanta's good y'all here? 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:48.680 Yeah, yeah, I'm so happy to be here. 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:51.080 Glad you're here. We're glad. We're glad to have you. 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:52.720 If I can say that, I'm glad to have you 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:54.560 more importantly, glad to have you in this building. 0:01:54.840 --> 0:02:00.160 Man, Yeah, yeah building, Yes, sir, Sessions Atlanta. 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:05.240 Out the Tricky Steward red Zone, Mark Stewart, Yes, sir, Man, yeah, 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:07.160 Lane Stewart. 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:10.680 Come on now, come on all, start with all the Stewart. 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:14.639 Absolutely, all the Steward who have done it at a 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:20.280 high level absolutely are receiving their flowers. And this building 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:24.480 tells you what the fuck it is. Yes, yes, we 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:24.920 started it. 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:29.040 We started here ninety six the building next door, yes, 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:33.040 ninety six thirty seven. Man, we uh packed up a car, 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:37.200 signed the pub deal with Hicco. And there was a 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:38.840 little line because you know when you sign the pub 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:40.880 del you always pay attention to the pop number with 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:43.720 the money. And I said, okay, okay, that's how much 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:46.359 I get. And then there's a little bottom section down 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:48.880 there somewhere said you have to move to Atlanta. And 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:52.840 I said, oh, I said where's Atlanta? I said where? 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:57.639 That's crazy? Where's that at Trick? Trick was like, yeah, 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:00.440 I got a building out there. LA had just deal 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:04.119 with Trick and so we Uh, we packed up, drove 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:07.480 across the country and uh, yeah me tricker Mark drove 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:10.120 across the country. It's funny because my section of the 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:15.000 drive as we're driving furniture and stuff. I was coming 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:18.960 through Mississippi and Atlanta, and I crossed the Georgia state line. 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:21.720 And I'll never get this. I could tell you to 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.320 this day. My when I it was like six o'clock 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:26.520 in the morning, I was driving when I saw this 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:29.000 bumper sticker. It said, if I knew it was going 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:30.640 to turn out like this, I had to pick my 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:34.600 own damn cotton. And I said, hey, y'all, wake up, 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:37.360 We're going back to La. I'm not gonna turn this. 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:41.640 I'm turning this bitch around. I'm not staying here. My damn. 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:44.920 That said that, and then uh but yeah, man turned 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:47.520 out to be the best move ever. Turned out to 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:51.280 be the best decision. I mean, yeah, I haven't made 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.320 thirty years later. Thirty years later, we here, we're here, 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:57.400 and we uh moved into that building across and then 0:03:57.560 --> 0:03:59.760 wrote a lot of records, made a lot of hits. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:03.240 Back to that listen, yeahs before you even go back 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:05.880 to his Yeah yeah, because I want to put this 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:08.080 out there. Yeah, my brother is also from San Francisco. 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:11.120 Talk to him, you know what I mean, Like, you 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:13.360 know they guy talk to him. 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:15.280 You know what I mean. He went to high school 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:22.040 day like yeah, he ain't even know Yo. No, that's 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:24.039 you big homies in Laomis. You know what it is? 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:24.400 They know? 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:27.440 Ta, Yeah, you know they be trying to say that. 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:30.560 You know, y'all got y'all got some rappers, Yeah we 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:32.039 got those, but it's. 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:33.160 Some real R and B music. 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:39.720 You know Cindy from in Vogue, you know, Bible high school, 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:42.440 her and I not at the same time. 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:46.320 But you know that's a big thing. I like it, 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:52.520 you know what I mean, Ta Roosevelt Junior High, Come on, man, 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:54.200 like you know what it is. 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:58.840 But I say that, you know boastfully right because obviously 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:00.560 as your friend and your brother, I'm proud of you. 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:02.320 Thank you, which I also want to say to you. 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:07.840 But I say that too because I want the youth 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:11.000 from where we're from to know that you can do 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:12.960 this too, you know what I mean, Instead of it 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:17.120 just which is cool, listen, rapid school, but it's a 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:19.880 different thing in R and B. And it's also a 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:25.000 different thing as a kid trying to write songs or 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:30.279 sing songs in places where really nobody does it. Interestingly enough, 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:34.839 it's close as we're from our closest we are to Oakland, 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:38.240 we're still not Oakland, right like Oakland, Sam Suo two 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:41.760 different cities. I think obviously we get grouped barrier for sure, 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:45.560 we love Oakland, but Oakland just has has had more 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:51.040 success in the arts, in the sports, and you know, 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:54.719 San Francisco just we get caught up. We do like 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:58.320 we really it's a lot of talented people in all 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:02.800 aspects of the city that that never really get their 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:04.880 shot for whatever reason, right, you know what I mean? 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:08.720 So are you know, maybe fucked shut up to Sometimes 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:09.640 it happens. 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:11.240 It's funny. I was on the phone the other day 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:16.279 shooting ship with our brother Larry Jackson. Yeas, and Larry 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.880 didn't know this. I reminded him a funny story. My 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:24.039 very first ever ever ever record business meeting was with 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:29.560 Larry Jackson at camel Oh. So funny shit is that 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:33.080 I was writing songs and doing groups and shit like that, 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:34.760 and I was like, Yo, I'm trying to get my 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:36.920 song on the radio. And I remember I said, okay, cool, 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:38.440 I call came here they said, okay, cool, we do 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:40.120 these like listening meetings and you got to meet with 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:41.320 the program directors. 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:41.720 Yeah. 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:44.480 I was like okay, cool, I said, right, walked in 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:47.720 the cameo, sat in the little space area, and then 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:52.000 they brought me into this room and incomes some kids 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:57.800 literally literally, and he was like, okay, play me your music. 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:01.600 And I was like, well, where's your boss at Why? 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:05.560 Why am I playing a few? He's like no, you 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:07.799 got to play it for me. And I'm like, okay, cool, 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.600 And I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, yo, he's got 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:13.120 to be younger than me, Like why am I fare 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:18.320 funny enough? Larry Jackson was the young music director that 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:19.080 came here. 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:22.000 Fourteen fifteen years old steen years old. 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:28.760 Man, Absolutely absolutely, yes, Larry is Larry wonder Kid called 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:30.160 himself Dugie Houses the other day. 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:31.800 It's funny, It's like he was. 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:35.559 But yeah, Larry Larry Jackson was my very first ever 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:38.120 official record business meeting in the Bay. 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:38.480 Yeah. 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:39.720 I was like, yo, that's crazy. 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:41.400 He was a program as a teenager. 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:43.960 He sure was, because by I think nineteen he was 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:46.679 at at Ariston. 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.160 Yeah, Larry was uh with Clyde. He played the record 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:53.040 he didn't tell my ship was terrible, and he did, 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:55.520 Yeah he did. They didn't say it like that. He's 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:57.960 much more political now and it was shout out to that, 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:00.080 but yeah, it was. It was funny, yeah, Larry. It 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:04.320 was my very first meeting in the Bay Woweah as 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:07.360 a kid. And then I kind of moved to La 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:12.000 Algiero was my uncle and what yeah, well not by blood, 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:17.920 but Algiero is my family. And you know, that summer, 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:19.880 I was just trying to get off and get things going, 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:21.160 and he's like, well, what are you gonna do with 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:22.840 your life? And I was like, man, I gotta want 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:23.760 to be a song writer. I want to be in 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:25.680 the record. He said, we can't do that from here, 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.760 and I was like, you're right. He said, well, come down, 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:32.640 come come stay with me for a little while. And 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:34.680 so I went down, told my mom. My mom said 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:36.880 you got a summer. If not, you're going to school. 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.040 I was like, okay, cool. This is right after high school. 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:42.440 It's like maybe two years after that, and so I 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:44.200 was like all right, cool, And so I drove down, 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:49.680 took the Greyhound to l Yeah, and I remember I 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:53.560 got there and I went to our's house and I 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:55.800 said Oh my god, this is it. I said, I'm 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:58.880 never leaving. Yeah, yeah, I'm not. I'm not going back 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:00.600 to the bay. I was like. I was like, this 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:10.480 is all yours, gates and stuff. 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:11.600 Yeah, and. 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:16.120 I had a pool house. I stayed in the poolhouse 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:18.000 up there, and I was just like, okay, I got 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.080 to figure out how to make it because I can't 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.640 go back to the bay. So, you know, and I remember, 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:24.600 it's funny thing. He's like, Yo, there's a petty cash 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:26.520 drawer if you ever need cats. I was like, there's 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:29.079 a drawer full of cash if you need. I was like, yo, man, 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:33.880 I'm never leaving. Let me tell you something. Man, don't 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:36.199 don't don't let that fool out. Did I did big things. 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:40.040 My drawer was an immense talent. And you know, I 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:41.640 wouldn't be sitting here if it was a for hour 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:45.439 and uh So from then I was like, all right, cool, 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:48.800 I got to figure out how to stay here. Let 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.520 you stay with him. I probably stayed with Oh, to 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:53.400 be honest with you, I probably overstayed my walk. I 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:59.000 was probably was there like two three years. Say oh no, no, no, 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:02.320 that was that was your house? Yeah, who house was 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:06.000 your house? One thousand percent, like I gave my uncle. 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:10.000 Oh yeah, I lived there. I lived there and uh 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.920 and what are you doing during that time? I'm gonna 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:15.760 I'll tell you. So probably the first second weekend I 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:19.720 was there, I went to the Pladium. My brother worked 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.520 to Pladium, so my brother was there, Manti, he just 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:26.440 worked Pladium, got me tickets still see Digital Underground was 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:29.600 there that week and I'm like, oh, I said yeah, okay. 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:34.800 I said, okay, hey, you know the money yeah, to 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.679 put the set on your panties. I had to go 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:40.160 see that. And so I was there. I went to 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:43.800 go see Digital Underground and I saw a park and 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:45.480 I was like, oh, I got to go talk to 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:46.920 the park. I was like, yo, you're from the Bay, 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:47.480 You're from the pay. 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:47.800 I was like. 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:49.439 I walked up the park and I was like, man, 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:50.800 you know from the Bay. I'm just trying to figure 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:53.400 out how to make it. And he's like kind of 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:54.960 gave me some nuggets or whatever. You know, just what you 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:56.000 do is what you do. And I was like, that's 0:10:56.000 --> 0:11:00.439 what's up. And so ten minute conversations, this kid comes 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:02.079 up to me. He's like, you know two podcast said no, 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:04.680 I just I just met him I just met him today. 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:06.200 I'm just trying to figure out how to make it. 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:07.240 He said, what do you do? I said, I'm a 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:12.800 songwriter trying to hustle whatever, whatever, And it's Robin Thick and. 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:16.080 So man, no way, just Robin. 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:19.400 They just random and walks to you. You know, but 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:22.480 this was this was this was pre Robin Thick, of course, 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:26.160 and and you know, we started just trying. He was 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:29.880 still Alan yeah Lott. Funny story because he and he 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:32.240 had uh, he had invited me over to the crib 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:34.120 and he's like, yo, let's I write songs or whatever whatever, 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:36.040 and like, all right, cool, let's figure this out. I 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.640 stopped by it. He never said who his dad was. 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.760 And you know, I remember pulling up to the house 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:43.880 and I was like, oh ship, this this was this 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:46.640 white can't live. I was like, god, damn living like 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:51.320 I'm living bigger, bigger than I'm living, bigger than I'm living. 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:55.720 He had multiple gates, and I remember coming to the 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:59.440 house and and there was a lady was cooking food 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:01.040 for us, and bah blah blah. And then I heard 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:04.320 his voice say, Robin, who are your friends? And I 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:07.280 was like yoo, I said, wait a minute, that's Jason Seaver. 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:14.559 I said, that's your dad, and so Al comes walking 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:19.520 downstairs and we literally spent the next couple of years 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:23.199 just partying, acting like we wanted to be in a 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:26.839 record business, writing songs, throwing parties. Robin on the piano 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:28.359 used to calling Brian mc white. 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:34.360 Race that is. 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:39.840 And then it's funny enough he gets signed by Brian 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:43.400 McKnight a few years later, and uh so, you know, 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:45.640 we started writing songs and Robin goes off to go 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:49.800 do his thing and write songs, and uh then I 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:51.480 got to figure out, okay, cool, I gotta I gotta 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:54.640 stay in this. I meet a kid named Sam Salter 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:56.640 hm hmm, rest in peace. 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:56.920 Sam. 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:00.640 Sam was h We wrote songs again, and Sam was 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:04.160 an immense, crazy talent man. He was. He was the 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:08.280 guy that that got me to Atlanta because I started 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:11.680 writing songs with Sam, and I think that's where we 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:18.360 met Landy Stewart and Madlyn Randolph actually Madelyn Randolph. She 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:23.520 connected me with Tricky and Tricky's partner Sean at the time, 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:27.600 and we, uh we did a session. We started writing songs, 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:29.920 working and doing doing stuff, and I was trying to 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:31.800 be in a group at the time we. 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:34.520 Heard about you don't don't just try to don't glance 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:36.600 over that brother I. 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:42.000 Am because funny story after that was my first our 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:47.400 group's first session was with Ko Correll, the greatest vocal 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:50.160 producer in the game right now. And Coop was like, yo, 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:51.880 we started saying. Coop was like, yo, that guy, he 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:56.760 don't he's not that good talk about me. Coop was like, yo, 0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:03.240 he these other guys, thank god it to you. Yeah, 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:06.240 And I was like and I was like, oh, you 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:10.439 know what time for a pivot and the shifted life 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:14.839 and so were you self aware before that? You know 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:17.319 what it was? I felt like I was Michael bevens 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:20.840 mm hmm. I felt like I played a role. He 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:23.440 was putting the place together. I'm not I'm not rough 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:27.280 and Johnny I wanted to be in the group, and 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.600 so I had vocalists, which was actually Robin think was 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:32.080 in the group with us at the time. This is 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:34.840 so Robinson, I'm backtracking. So it was like we was like, 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:36.280 you know, fake color me bad. 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:41.360 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, we were together, yeah yeah. 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:43.680 Right around that time. So we were we were that 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:47.160 and so rob went on to do his things. I said, 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:50.280 Sam got me and Sam trying to write songs, and 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:54.080 we got our first placement with the kid named Jesse Powell. 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:58.680 He's just you Yeah, yeah, yeah. We actually wrote his 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.600 first single and that was my first placement. My first 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:04.000 time getting a stone place was with Jesse Powell. Yeah, 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:05.080 it was the first thing. 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.680 He was on Solace, Yeah, Louis Solace, who was also 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:09.840 from San Francisco. 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:11.520 I didn't know that. You didn't know that. 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:16.000 I know Louis from Yeah, yeah, Louis originally from San Francisco. 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:19.920 Man, Louis very few better than him. So Louis gave 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:23.360 me my first placement and that's when my career sort 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:26.120 of took off. And then uh got a pub deal 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.880 and uh again that little fine print in a pub 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.160 deal said you got to move to Atlanta. 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:34.040 And so why did you say that? 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:38.240 Because La I signed a hicco and La and Lorondo 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:41.560 Sutton they built it here, so they were like, you 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:44.200 got to come to Atlanta. So they weren't signing writers 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:46.920 to stay in the No. No, they were signing people 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:51.120 to to build something here in Atlanta and turned out 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.120 to be the smartest thing they ever did. We ever 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:57.680 didn't in moving here because shout out the legend. Yes, 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:01.720 indeed the legend. Aronda Sutton. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, you 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:07.920 know what I'm I'm just we're goin to figure this out. Yeah, 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:12.119 all of a sudden, that was all of a sudden, Loronda, 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:16.320 Yeah yeah yeah. So we uh we we came here, 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:19.480 we did our deal, I moved. We had a little 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:22.760 apartment up the street, Trick had the studio, and we 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:23.440 went to work. 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:23.600 Man. 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:26.160 We came to work every day, just a bunch of kids, 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:27.400 man in this building. Man. We didn't know what we 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:30.520 was doing at the time. Honestly, we had Tricky's brother, 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:35.000 Mark did an amazing deal and when he signed to 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:37.080 when he did the deal with a face, he bought 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:38.880 a build. He made l a you know, most people's 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:40.800 getting cars and doing shit, were like, now we want 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:45.840 a space and yeah. That was that That really turned 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:48.280 everything around, was when we bought a building and Mark 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:50.480 brought the building. Ty got the building here and we 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:52.440 had our own studio. We never had our own studio, 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:54.120 and it was like, yo, so we was here, man, 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:57.080 We're just writing songs every day, just trying to hustle 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:00.760 and figure it out, man. And you know that sort 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:06.879 of turned into writing songs for B two K and right, 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:08.880 we were all huh and uh. 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:11.520 No. 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:13.600 We didn't write little bit. I wish I did too, 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:20.440 from eighteen what I Need with a wife? Come on? Yeah, 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:22.360 yeah yeah we did. We did. I didn't write that part, 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:24.439 but we wrote huh. Man. I was like, I remember, 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:27.240 I gotta, I gotta going back to B two K. 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:30.199 I got a vc R tape. That's how all that was. 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:34.240 David McPherson sent us a tape of them then rehearsal 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:37.080 or something it was, then performing uh at a at 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:39.199 a fair or something like that in the in the 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:41.320 I E. And I was like, I told Trick, I said, man, 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:43.040 I've been watching this video tape. You got to see 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:45.480 these kids. Man, these kids is dope. And Trick was 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:47.400 like whatever, whatever, man whatever. I said, no, no, you got 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:47.960 to see these kids. 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:48.119 Man. 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:49.840 We need And I called Dave McPherson and I said, man, 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:52.160 we don't want to work with bring him down here. 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:54.520 And and that's kind of how it started. Man, We 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:55.840 brought him down here. 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:56.679 Uh you know. 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:58.840 I started writing songs for B two K. Yeah, I 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:02.800 was like and that that jumped it off. And from 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:08.280 there we wrote songs for I mean, everybody man, my Cisco, everybody. 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:10.919 We just we built something down here, man, and it 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.639 was a beautiful thing. Yeah, being here in Atlanta, we 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.800 planted our flag here. You know, do people really know 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:19.600 you have that much of a catalog under your belt. No, 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:21.639 It's funny because I talked to the writers that I 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:25.639 signed now and they have no idea. You know, somebody 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:27.120 in the room, you know, he tab you to write 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:30.639 songs and I'm like, you did, right, And that's how 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:34.000 it goes. Yeah. You know, sometimes you know, become Dominique Wilkins. 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:37.120 It's like Nigga, I won that. I beat Michael Jordan's 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:40.480 I did that. I did. 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:44.560 Like it's broke. I've experienced it as well, you know 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:46.240 what I mean. You meet, you meet, you meet the 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:48.359 writer and they're like, oh yeah, hey man, I love 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:49.960 your show. Bro the show is dope. 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:55.600 Man, Like, oh, you're right, yeah Nigga for real? 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:04.000 Yeah yeah, he's so slappy with this catalog. 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:04.640 You know what I'm saying. 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:17.439 What was the song for you that you felt like 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:20.679 it wasn't a rival moment where you felt like, I 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:23.760 mean sure there was okay. Then the music business, I 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:26.560 got this deal. This is this is you know these 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:28.760 things are happening, we're working in the studio. But what 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:32.280 is the song that that that says to you, Oh yeah, 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:34.000 I'm really in. 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:37.320 I think it was case of the Ax for my hmmm, 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:41.840 because that's the one when you really realize that you 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:44.480 can really really make a living at this. That was 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:46.680 the first one for you. That Yeah, that's that's that's 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:48.879 the one where you kept going to the mailbox and 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:50.840 you would open up their mail by the mailbox and 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:52.920 you and you and you would see that ass cap 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:56.080 check come in and it's the mailbox, the mailbox story, 0:19:56.119 --> 0:19:59.119 and the mailbox was a beautiful thing. You would just 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:01.000 be like, wow, this is beautiful. 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:03.080 Yeah I like that. 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.360 Yeah, yeah that that those those performance checks and you know. 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:13.720 You know, getting into it, I had never experienced, you know, 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:14.280 that's go. 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:16.359 I haven't experienced it. 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:19.080 As I'm signing up and I'm doing my songs and 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:20.520 working on my album and all this stuff I had 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:23.840 worked on stuff before. They probably stole that. Yeah, I 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:27.080 think I think that's the thing. I think that's the thing. 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:29.080 Say it right. 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:38.760 My previous works some fraudulent things, but that maybe I deserve. 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:44.520 And and one day I just go to the mailbox 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:50.240 and I'm looking at Okay, what is this? What is this? 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:58.000 And it's six figures you go. I'm like, he's like. 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:06.840 Just declaring, how like this yes, yes in D yes 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:12.840 to d strip Club for everybody, And that's what it becomes, 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:15.800 and that's what it becomes a real thing. And that's 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:18.000 the moment that it clicks. It's funny you said something 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:21.920 about being stolen because I remember one time when I 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:24.080 was in there early in the game, living with my 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:26.199 uncle Il at the time, and I was telling you 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:27.800 I'm in a recomend I'm in a record business. And 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:30.400 he said to me, he said, has anybody stole something 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:32.840 from you yet? And I said, and I said, n 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:35.240 ain't nobody. Still he said, then you're not a recommended 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:42.480 and I said, nugget So until somebody stolen something from you, 0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:47.040 you haven't a arrived oh man. And I was like, damn, 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:49.080 that was harsh, but yeah, because. 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:51.960 It is true. It's all of it. This business is 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:52.560 all of it. 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:55.880 Absolutely. Until you have something stolen from. 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:59.480 Then you have an experience for full and then absolutely 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:00.520 then you arived. 0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:04.400 Then a minute now now a record fighting for. 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:07.679 My life, I've got there. Yeah, but they didn't put 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:11.080 my name on that song. Wait what wait what? Oh 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:16.200 that album that's doing it, that's doing that? Yeah yeah yeah, 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:18.520 Writings on the Wall Dusky's Child. I wrote a song 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:23.000 called if He Leaves You with r L. Yeah, and 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:26.879 I was like, wait a minute, I'm not on there. 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:30.360 You weren't on the credit at all, not at all. Yeah, 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:34.399 I wrote that, Yeah exactly. Was it ever rectified? It 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:37.800 was rectified, Okay. I said, wait a minute, that's this album, Diamond, 0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:41.119 this this ten minutes. I'm like, oh, I'm gonna need that. 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:41.760 Yeah. 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:45.880 So then did that's when you arrived you on some jinks? Yeah? Yeah, 0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:48.680 we went to work, bro, We went to work. I 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:52.120 always tell people, Man, we didn't do much. We we 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:54.879 we watched football, we played video games, and we wrote songs. 0:22:54.720 --> 0:22:56.600 That's what we did, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, 0:22:56.720 --> 0:22:58.639 we came to work every day and we just wrote records, 0:22:58.720 --> 0:23:00.600 you know. And that's what it was. 0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:00.879 You know. 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:03.560 We approached it like Nashville. 0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:03.720 You know. 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:06.920 We came to work every day and we wrote songs. 0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:07.440 You know. 0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:10.040 We just when you were a kid, though, was this 0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:14.240 like was this the dream or were you No? 0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:16.280 I wasn't the dream. I think the dream for me 0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:19.840 was I wanted to be a sports broadcaster really at 0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:21.960 Brian Gumble. Yeah, I wanted to be Brian Gumble. 0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:22.280 Yeah. 0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:24.199 I wanted to do money in that football and I 0:23:24.200 --> 0:23:26.879 felt like I should. That was that was my dream. 0:23:26.960 --> 0:23:29.320 I always wanted to do sports broadcasting. 0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:32.960 Yeah, so what made you pivot from that or even 0:23:33.040 --> 0:23:33.480 just you know what? 0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:35.800 It was? Music was always a part of my my love. 0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:39.240 My brother was a DJ at UCS University set Santa Cruz, 0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:41.840 so he was doing DJ set and stuff like that. 0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:44.000 So I always be like, you know, play this record, 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:45.920 play this record. You know, I was reading credits and 0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:48.720 you should play this, play this whatever. And then, honestly, 0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:52.680 for me, when kind of in the Bay, just music 0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:54.560 just became kind of my thing. I was writing poetry, 0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:57.200 writing lyrics and stuff like that. And then when I 0:23:57.240 --> 0:23:58.320 was like, what are you gonna do with your life, 0:23:58.359 --> 0:23:59.400 and I was like, I want to be in music, 0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:03.320 and then he said come down here, and uh, that's 0:24:03.320 --> 0:24:06.560 when it shifted. Yeah, yeah, that's definitely when it shifted. 0:24:06.680 --> 0:24:08.399 It's funny, I'm looking at you like that. 0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:10.080 That may could be introducing. 0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:11.639 Yeah, man, it could have been. Man, I should have 0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:16.639 been Stephen Tree baby is Williams. What out of you 0:24:16.720 --> 0:24:18.720 take something Florida State? You take him? 0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:22.320 What did you say? 0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:27.040 Just see the NFL drafts, you know, wow, come on. 0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:30.240 Absolutely, a lot of a whole bunch of Davante's and 0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:32.280 tyres is now. So you know that R and B 0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:34.760 has done really well in the hood. 0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:38.640 Is a lot of necklace that play football and basketball 0:24:38.720 --> 0:24:44.200 named Davonte Tyres and they did not exist. 0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:48.480 Before the r V version. There's some tepping's out there too. Yeah, yeah, 0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:49.600 you're right, you're right. 0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:53.520 So you're having so much success writing songs and how 0:24:53.520 --> 0:24:56.560 long does that period last for you to when you 0:24:56.600 --> 0:25:01.119 say maybe I can curate now, it's. 0:25:01.000 --> 0:25:04.920 About about twelve and a half thirteen years writing. I 0:25:05.000 --> 0:25:08.679 was really engulfed in the songwriting absolutely. 0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:11.400 And then I think the shift kind of came two 0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:14.520 years and two things happened that made me kind of shift. 0:25:14.640 --> 0:25:15.080 That was. 0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:18.560 I woke up on it and I was just kind 0:25:18.560 --> 0:25:20.600 of burnt well you know what it was. I had 0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:23.280 that I wanted to get on Britney Spearit so bad 0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:25.280 and I was like, I was like, I know we 0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:30.240 could do this. And there was an an R Steve Lunt. 0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:32.840 I would bug him all the time, man, and I 0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:34.240 really would spend a lot of time just kind of 0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:36.000 hanging out with him. I kept saying, just give us 0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:40.080 a shot, Just give us a shot. And I kind 0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:41.080 of got to know him and I was like, man, 0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:42.480 I want to do what he does, you know what 0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:46.680 I'm saying. And so anyways, I think that was kind 0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:49.119 of the last project. And then I met this kid 0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:53.880 who was kind of a better writer than me named 0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:58.760 Lonnie bro And and I was like, it turned out 0:25:58.760 --> 0:26:03.040 to be AKA Frank ocean m And I was like, 0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:06.560 you know, I'm gonna use a sports equivalent. It's like 0:26:06.640 --> 0:26:08.800 I couldn't run as fast as him anymore, you know 0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:10.840 what I'm saying. I lost the step. I was like, 0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:12.960 you know what, I'm not that good. I can't jump 0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:17.120 that high anymore. When I when I watched him write 0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:21.240 songs when I met him, I was like, I'm honest 0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:24.119 with myself, I'm not I'm not as good as him. 0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:26.480 And I said, you know what, but I want to 0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:29.200 be in business with him. And so I think those 0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:31.439 two moments, I think kind of made me say, you 0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:34.520 know what, yeah, I'm kind of done. Yeah let me, 0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:37.480 let me, let me pivot, let me transition, and fortunately 0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:41.960 enough I was able to. I started consulting with the 0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:44.959 company I worked at, which was when Bug went swept 0:26:44.960 --> 0:26:50.320 with Leo. Leo Williams shot out, Leo WILLI yeah, and 0:26:50.440 --> 0:26:54.240 so I signed. The first thing I signed was KP 0:26:54.400 --> 0:26:59.480 and Malay, my brother KP and which who actually ended 0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:01.320 up playing a song which with Frank on it with 0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:03.000 a song called Quickly and I was that's when I 0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:04.880 first heard Frank. When I heard, I was like, yo, 0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:07.640 it played me just John Legend record, but they played 0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:09.120 me in the demo and then that's when the first 0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:10.800 time I heard Frank, and I was like, yo, who 0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:13.040 is that? And then that's when I got started working 0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:15.560 with He was singing the demo. He was singing a demo. Okay, 0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:18.199 he was singing a demo. And then I was like, 0:27:18.200 --> 0:27:20.880 I got to meet this kid. And then I had him. 0:27:21.160 --> 0:27:22.520 I went to La to go meet with him. He 0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:26.359 started sending me some records and funny story because I 0:27:26.440 --> 0:27:29.520 had the songs in my CDs in my car and 0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:30.880 I just was like, and I'll get to the I'll 0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:34.399 get to him. I'll get to him. And I was 0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:36.960 married at the time. My asked wife she had she 0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:38.600 was on a girl strip, but she took my car 0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:42.240 and she was driving on a girl's trip somewhere. I 0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:43.560 think it was going to Florida or whatever, and she 0:27:43.640 --> 0:27:47.159 kept saying, man, these songs you wrote are amazing. And 0:27:47.200 --> 0:27:49.280 I was like, yeah, that's what I do, what you 0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:53.760 talk about. Yeah, I'm like that. I'm like that. Yeah. 0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:56.920 Somebody says I still got her, but I was like, yeah, 0:27:57.080 --> 0:28:00.879 that's what's up. And I remember her. They heard their 0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:03.000 girls kept calling it, like Yo, these songs are incredible. 0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:04.600 They was on the background sticking. I was like, yeah, 0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:07.280 that's what because it was a full trip to yeah 0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:11.720 is deep into the into the demos. And I was like, yeah, 0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:14.440 you know, it's nice. I'm nice like that. And then 0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:16.359 she called me and she's like, man, what made you 0:28:16.359 --> 0:28:20.080 write this song about getting married quickly in Vegas and 0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:22.280 ship like that? And I was like, or getting a 0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:24.199 tattoo of a song called blasted? He wrote a by 0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:26.119 getting a tattoo And. 0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:28.159 I was like, wait, a, man, I didn't write I 0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:30.000 didn't write that. 0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:34.760 That ain't muscle. That's that kid, and they're like to Louisiana, 0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:36.720 I was like, I need to really go spends some 0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:42.080 time with this kid, and uh yeah. So that trip, 0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:44.000 when her girl's trip, made me say, okay, you know, 0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:45.480 let me let me go see this, see what this 0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:48.000 kid is really about. And he would he would send 0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:51.840 me records daily and they just kept getting better and 0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:57.080 better and better. And I'm like, this, motherfuckers, he's musician. 0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:03.120 He is it and got him a check for one 0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:06.280 hundred and sixty two thousand dollars. Oh, I won sixty two. 0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:08.400 That's the most random number eever. That's what I said. 0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:10.280 But that's that's the deal. That's what he asked, that's 0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:12.840 what he asked for. I said, absolutely, he asked for 0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:15.880 one hundred and sixty two thousand dollars. I'll never know that. 0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:18.080 That what it was. And I was like, yeah, let's 0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:20.880 do this. And I was publishing, publishing and I was 0:29:20.880 --> 0:29:22.720 working here out of Atlanta. This was when I was 0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:25.320 consulting for Winswept and so I said, yeah, let's do it. 0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:27.280 The deal one hundred percent. But at the time I 0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:28.520 was like, I was nervous. I said, yeah, I got 0:29:28.600 --> 0:29:29.760 to get him wreck. I said, I got to get 0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:32.680 this money back, right. So, because he had no placements, 0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:35.920 he had zero placements yet nothing, he still gave me 0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:38.400 one hundred and sixty two one thousand percent because I 0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:39.520 just believed on what I heard. 0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:40.960 Yeah, I knew what I heard. 0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:42.480 And I was like, okay, cool, let me go find 0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:44.120 this kid a deal, you know what I'm saying. So 0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:46.640 I remember I was taking around. I took him to 0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:50.880 some one particular label and this one guy and he 0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:52.400 left him and he left us in the lobby for 0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:55.640 two hours, two hours, and if you know Frank, Frank 0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:57.440 don't play that kind of stuff. He's like, get worriedy, 0:29:57.520 --> 0:29:59.160 let's go. I was like, all right, cool, let's go. 0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:03.000 And then Tricky had just started working at Death Cham 0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:05.600 and I said, Trick Man, I said, I signed this 0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:07.440 kid man, and I really need to get him a 0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:09.440 record deal. He's an artist, I promise you he is. 0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:12.920 And Trick was like, okay, just give me the music. 0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:17.040 And Trick was driving to Vegas and to go work 0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:21.560 with Dream on Dream's album, and Trick didn't call me 0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:23.680 for three weeks, and I was like, yo, man, I'm 0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:24.920 gonna need you to listen to this kid man. I 0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:26.360 got to get this money back. You know what I'm saying. 0:30:26.360 --> 0:30:28.080 At the time, I'm the type of executive he was like, yo, 0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:30.040 you know, I got to help the kid recoup this deal. 0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:33.200 And Trick called me and was like, yo, I finally 0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:35.680 listened to the music. Where is he? He said? Trick 0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:37.360 said he's an artist. I said, yes, he's an artist. 0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:41.000 I promise you he's an artist. And that's when Trick 0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:44.480 signed him and started working on him making the music. 0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:47.240 And I'll never get Frank hit me. He said, ma, 0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:49.080 I'm about to put a mixtape out. And I was like, 0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:53.040 that's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. How would you 0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:56.760 put a mixtape out you got a record deal? Obous, 0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:59.440 it's probably not moving. Yeah. Well, they was just you know, 0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:01.680 he was just working. He was young or as nobody 0:31:01.720 --> 0:31:04.600 was paying attention to them. And he said and I 0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:07.480 was like, that's why would you do that? Obviously he 0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:10.440 was right. I was wrong because the mixtape came out 0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:13.720 and you know, changed the game, and and that's when 0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:17.920 everything just slokes started putting out mixtapes and that's what 0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:20.440 Frank was the first to do it. And he put 0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:22.200 that out and I'll never forget. I was at the 0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:24.240 airport so some reason, I had a newspaper in the 0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:26.120 car and the cars picking it up and I was 0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:28.320 opening up the paper and I saw this whole spread 0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:32.760 in the La Times about this mixtape, and I was like, Oh, 0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:35.400 this ship is working. I was like, I was like, 0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:42.080 oh yeah. I was like, oh you famous. I was like, Okay, 0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:45.400 this is it? So yeah, we uh And that's that's 0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:47.240 what's funny part about this. I was telling Jay just 0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:49.280 a little while ago, was like, yuh said, everybody was 0:31:49.320 --> 0:31:51.360 trying to sign it. Everybod's trying to look for They 0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:52.840 didn't know. It was like where is he at? How 0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:55.200 can we find it? How can we find it? Including 0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:59.360 death Jam not knowing he was signed. Yeah, they were like, 0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:02.959 we gotta find it. Where is he at? He's on 0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:06.920 your roster? You cracked him off. Wow, he's already signed 0:32:06.920 --> 0:32:12.800 there man. They were like, oh oh look at god man, 0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:15.560 he's he's on our roster. 0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:16.600 Yeah. 0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:18.920 So yeah, that was that was That was a funny 0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:21.640 one of the moments. 0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:21.320 Like the bar is high. 0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:25.960 Now at this point you find Frank, you know, in 0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:28.840 terms of a song writer, you're already working with tricky, 0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:34.880 crazy producer and you know the stewarts at this point, 0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:39.400 like as a taste maker and understanding the level in 0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:44.920 which music is supposed to be played on. How does 0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:47.440 that really play? How does that play a part? And 0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:53.000 now how you're curating like projects? I mean, because it's different, 0:32:53.040 --> 0:32:56.000 Like you want singles, but then you want you know, 0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:59.320 you want body, you want things that are you know, 0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:01.480 because a lot of times people are putting bodies of 0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:04.520 work together and they're just single, single, single, single, s right, 0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:10.280 But a lot of times an album or project is 0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:15.800 about a journey and not every record is a single, 0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:19.080 but it's part of the story. Yeah, you know what 0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:22.360 I mean, Like, how does all of that How do 0:33:22.440 --> 0:33:24.320 all of these things play into you now? 0:33:25.080 --> 0:33:25.680 Curating? 0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:29.840 If we fast forward to when I started working at 0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:33.520 a label and I went to death Jam, No Idea 0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:35.800 brought me over there. I just left another company and 0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:37.160 I went over there, and then I was like, yo, 0:33:37.320 --> 0:33:39.280 me and hot about to go work at death Jam. 0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:41.440 And it was funny because I was two hours away 0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:44.360 from signing a deal extending my contract at another company. 0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:47.080 And I went to this luncheon and Dan was sitting 0:33:47.080 --> 0:33:48.240 at the table and he was like, Yo, man, what 0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:49.280 are you about to do? I was about to go 0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:51.160 to my attorney's office to go sign this contract to 0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:53.480 go stay at this other label, and he was like, 0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:56.280 hold on, he said, because me and Hop about to 0:33:56.320 --> 0:33:58.200 go to Death Jam, and I was like, you are, 0:33:58.640 --> 0:34:01.400 and I said, okay, I'm coming with y'all because I 0:34:01.400 --> 0:34:03.200 didn't sign my contract at the time because they had 0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:06.560 what I'd gotten out of an extension window. So I 0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:09.279 was like, okay, I'll come with y'all. And so when 0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:12.720 I finally eventually ended up in Death Jam working with Dion, 0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:16.800 I had found this girl somebody play me a demo 0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:20.480 about a year six months earlier, and they played me 0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:23.440 a demo they were playing they had this artist they 0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:24.680 were working on them. I was like, who's the girl 0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:28.600 singing the hook and then it was oh, it's Tony, 0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:30.800 my brother, Tony Perez and Robbio shout out my brothers. 0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:33.360 They played me this song and I was like, I 0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:35.560 want this girl. It was like, oh my my daughter 0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:39.440 found on YouTube and I'm like, okay, cool, but I 0:34:39.480 --> 0:34:40.200 need to meet this girl. 0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:41.080 Yeah, I don't get to her. 0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:44.040 Yeah. And so when I got to Death Jam the 0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:46.440 very first day, I got to death Jam because if 0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:48.880 you in that building at the time, when in Santa Monica, 0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:51.000 you make her left to go to Republic, where I 0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:53.319 had worked at before and you make a right to 0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:56.640 go to death jam. This is my very first day 0:34:57.040 --> 0:34:59.200 at death Jam. I got off the elevator at ten thirty, 0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:02.240 first day at the job at the new company. Because 0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:03.759 when you work at the Republic, you didn't make you 0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:06.000 didn't go to death jail. You stayed on that side. 0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:08.000 You know what I'm saying. You didn't mess with that side. 0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:10.719 And so I was like, damn, this is weird, like 0:35:10.719 --> 0:35:12.640 my first day at school. But you know I used 0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:15.560 to go to that school. Yeah, yeah, in school, and 0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:17.440 I was like, okay, cool. And coming out of my 0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:21.319 old school was the girl who I was trying to 0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:24.760 sign and it was a Lessian car. She just happened 0:35:24.760 --> 0:35:26.320 to be at the office. She just happened to be 0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:29.720 a getting off the elevator at Republic and at the time, 0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:33.080 because when I left Republic, I was saying, you know you, 0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:34.520 you say, hey, these are all the things that I 0:35:34.560 --> 0:35:37.719 was looking at transparency. I'm not hiding nothing. Yeah, this 0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:39.279 is a girl that I was thinking, here's her info, 0:35:39.320 --> 0:35:40.880 blah blah blah. When she came up to the elevator, 0:35:40.880 --> 0:35:42.200 I was like, oh, they must have signed you. And 0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:44.960 then I said, oh, they signed you. And they were like, no, no, 0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:46.799 we just took a meeting. We just flew out there. 0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:48.719 I was like, wait, you're not signed, and I said 0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:51.560 hold on. I said wait, I said, Danne, I noticed 0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:54.919 my first day here. It's my first day on the job. Dog. 0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:57.600 But there is this girl right here that that I 0:35:57.640 --> 0:35:58.160 need to sign. 0:35:59.000 --> 0:35:59.399 And so. 0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:03.480 He let me sign her. And he's like, oh, let's 0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:05.560 go ahead and do it. If you caring, you know 0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:07.279 about it, you're that passionate about it, go ahead and 0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:09.320 sign her. I said, bet. You said she got to 0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:10.680 go to fight in New York to go see Bartles 0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:12.399 and all that stuff. I was like, cool, my first 0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:14.120 damn job. I said, okay, cool, I said this. I 0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:15.640 know this is gonna sound crazy, but I said, man, 0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:18.719 it was her and her mom and I said, let 0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:21.600 me let me sign y'all over here. Yeah, And they 0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:23.640 were like all right, cool. So we ended up signing her. 0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:27.560 And that's how I learned to create and curate an 0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:31.160 album truly working on that project, you know what I mean, 0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:34.400 that was the first project I really felt like, you know, 0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:41.920 I everything that I learned writing songs, signing writers, everything 0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:45.560 I was able to pour into that from I mean, 0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:48.840 I picked. You know, I picked the writers. I picked 0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:52.600 shout out to open pop m M. I picked the manager. 0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:57.279 When the album was finished, mastered, it mixed it, you 0:36:57.320 --> 0:36:59.279 know everything. You know what I'm saying, it's that that 0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:04.080 whole project and went on to have you know, four 0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:08.319 number ones. I mean just for twelve billion streams. It's 0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:12.400 just twelve billion Best New Artists, Best New Artist Grammy. 0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:16.200 You know we you know we had number one Dance 0:37:16.280 --> 0:37:19.279 with the Pop for Z and Stay Logic one eight 0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:24.000 hundred here Scars to your Beautiful Mawana which had a 0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:27.239 billion streams. You know we did the thing on that. Yeah, 0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:28.799 that was it. That was a big one for me. 0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:30.919 Like you said, your new first day on the job 0:37:31.560 --> 0:37:33.839 and you go in and you say, hey, I want 0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:34.520 to sign. 0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:38.160 Yes, yeah, where's that trust coming from from? 0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:39.239 From the higher. 0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:41.680 Ups who are like you know what I say this, 0:37:41.920 --> 0:37:43.560 It's like one of the things I've learned in this 0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:45.279 game is like you got to work with people. You 0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:47.759 gotta work with your friends. It's not the company you 0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:50.720 gotta work with. You work with people. And the reason 0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:52.040 why I was able to do this because I worked 0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:54.920 with Diana. What I'm saying, who's my brother so working 0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:56.880 with no idea with that's where the trust come. You 0:37:56.920 --> 0:37:59.000 know what I'm saying. He let me, he said, go rock, 0:37:59.120 --> 0:38:01.200 go do your thing. And you know it's funny because 0:38:01.200 --> 0:38:03.319 he never bothered me. I was making a record maybe 0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:05.400 eight months, just doing a thing, and I remember he 0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:06.719 came in my office one day he said, where's that 0:38:06.760 --> 0:38:10.480 girl you saw? And I said, I'm mixing at Maxinon 0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:13.120 and I need that ship tomorrow. And we literally said, yah, 0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:15.720 I need it. We got to put it out, and 0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:17.560 we came up with a plan. We put it out 0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:20.879 and we dropped here and it's funny because people didn't 0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:25.680 know that she was white. And our first placement, Rodney Sheeley. 0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:29.280 Our first play was that skip cheating. 0:38:29.920 --> 0:38:30.840 Oh my god. 0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:33.200 Yeah, And so that was the first and I remember 0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:36.400 they called me that this record is happening, and they 0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:38.160 were like and it was like in Dallas or something 0:38:38.160 --> 0:38:40.319 like that. Dallas. It was like they got spins and 0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:42.080 it was just blowing up in Dallas. And I was like, damn, 0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:45.279 that's crazy. You know what I'm saying. It was the 0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:47.719 record took off from there and then you know, they 0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:49.360 were like, well, you know, where's the black girl that 0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:50.839 we want to do some things with her, blah blah 0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:55.719 blah blah. I was like, hold on, there's this thing 0:38:55.719 --> 0:38:59.839 we might want to tell you. Here's the thing, here's 0:38:59.880 --> 0:39:05.400 the thinking. She's a white girl from Toronto. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:09.040 and uh yeah man, and so we uh number one 0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:11.560 R and B record by the way, Wow, Yeah, ain't 0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:15.680 that crazy? It was the top Army radio record. Rodney 0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:18.120 wrote that record, and then from that it went on 0:39:18.200 --> 0:39:21.600 to go become pop record. You know what I'm saying. 0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:23.319 It was just yeah, it was all genres, man, and 0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:24.840 then from then we was off to the races. 0:39:25.400 --> 0:39:39.920 Yeah, that's. 0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:36.000 So. 0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:39.640 Was your intention to make an R and B album 0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:42.000 with her in the beginning, No, man, it was it 0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:47.960 was my intention to Sebastian cole charm Yeah man, incredible, man, 0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:52.399 incredible that boy that boy tapped in yeah to who 0:39:52.480 --> 0:39:56.680 she was. And for me, you know, I've always an 0:39:56.800 --> 0:39:59.960 R from a genre list perspective, and I take that 0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:02.640 probably to we grew up in the Bay, and if 0:40:02.680 --> 0:40:04.719 you grew up in the Bay, it's a melting pop. 0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:07.840 I mean, we listened to everything from we listen to 0:40:07.840 --> 0:40:10.320 the news, the Journey to Frankie Beverley. We listened to everything. 0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:12.719 And that's the beautiful thing about being in a bay 0:40:12.719 --> 0:40:15.400 We listened to confunction. We listen to everything, and so 0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:17.640 I an r from that perspective, you know what I'm saying. 0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:20.000 So it's like, it's just about the songs, right, and 0:40:20.040 --> 0:40:24.840 so you know, we made great songs, and so it 0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:27.719 was never about trying to go to a specific genre, 0:40:27.760 --> 0:40:30.720 which I think is which is why she had pop hits, 0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:33.720 number one pop songs and number one R and B songs, 0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:36.440 you know what I'm saying, because we just we approached 0:40:36.440 --> 0:40:38.880 it from let's just make the best records. 0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:43.640 The difficult side of that though, with when you have 0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:46.080 you know, these big pop artists. 0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:51.480 As a black executive, you touching on some things, you know, 0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:52.320 you touch. 0:40:52.160 --> 0:40:56.400 It on because we know that it's just not a normalcy. 0:40:56.760 --> 0:40:59.719 No, it wasn't. And I think the other thing about 0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:02.760 it was we were at death Jam, which is historic, 0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:07.600 which was a lack urban black label, and you know, 0:41:07.960 --> 0:41:11.319 luckily we had there were some justin Bieber's of the 0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:12.120 world that were there. 0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:15.239 But for us, it was also worked that we you know, 0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:18.680 you know, we start because we're gonna pour this champagne. 0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:21.440 I appreciate that let's get to it. But it was. 0:41:21.480 --> 0:41:23.440 It was a situation for me. It was like I 0:41:23.440 --> 0:41:25.560 think as a black executive, because no one was paying 0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:27.400 attention to the girl I signed. The deal was for 0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:30.520 five hundred and seventy thousand dollars. We made her advance. 0:41:31.040 --> 0:41:33.560 I made a nob for five hundred and seventy thousand dollars. 0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:36.000 No one expected it to go. For her to go 0:41:36.040 --> 0:41:41.719 on tour hundred city tour cold Play, shit open up 0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:44.400 for cold Play. No one expected her to do Saturday 0:41:44.440 --> 0:41:47.080 Our Live. Yeah, we was all over the world, man, 0:41:47.120 --> 0:41:49.759 we was. We was everywhere. No one expected us to 0:41:50.239 --> 0:41:52.799 for her to do shows with tail Us with no 0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:54.480 one expected her. You know, we just showed tail Us 0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:57.800 when we've been John Mayor. It wasn't it turned into 0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:00.239 a pop thing, you know what I'm saying, And to 0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:02.279 do Saturday Our Live and all those things. But when 0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:04.799 you again, when we make records, you're just making the 0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:07.520 best songs you possibly can make. And that's kind of 0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:09.239 how I was raised in this game. 0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:09.400 Man. 0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:11.680 You know, you just gonna make the best songs that 0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:14.560 you could possibly make. Genrealists, you know what I'm saying. 0:42:14.600 --> 0:42:17.120 And where they land and where how they arrived. It's 0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:21.200 what it was. But as a black executive, to your point, 0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:24.720 I think at some point, you know, when she became 0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:29.200 a global priority. You know, it's like, what do they say, 0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:32.520 success has a lot of fathers and failures, an orphan, 0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:36.200 you know. I think when when success came, you know, 0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:38.000 there was a lot of people that weren't there in 0:42:38.040 --> 0:42:41.440 the beginning. And they weren't there when it was just me, 0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:47.200 Oak Pop, Sebastian and Alessia sitting in Glenwood making the album. 0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:50.320 You know what I'm saying, And it was just nobody's 0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:53.360 paying attention to us, right, and then come out in 0:42:53.440 --> 0:42:56.719 two that's when everybody's paying Yeah, that's when that's when 0:42:56.760 --> 0:42:57.279 things change. 0:42:57.280 --> 0:42:58.959 Everybody's involved, I think. 0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:04.480 Yeah, And that's when that's when I and after winning 0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:08.279 the Grammy, that's when I was off the project. I'm 0:43:08.320 --> 0:43:11.680 no longer yet and no longer at de jail. 0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:13.640 Yeah, how was that even possible? 0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:17.960 Well, I didn't let me go, so you'd have to 0:43:18.000 --> 0:43:22.200 ask the people that that that that made that decision happened. 0:43:22.960 --> 0:43:26.280 So you know what, No, No, I remember, I remember 0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:28.360 somebody called me and said to me, he said to me, 0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:30.640 after that happened, that day, you realize what happened to 0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:32.600 you has never happened before in the history of the 0:43:32.600 --> 0:43:34.920 record business. And I was like, God, damn you right, 0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:38.600 And I was like, but what happened was and I've 0:43:38.600 --> 0:43:40.600 never talked about this, so I guess we'll touch on it. 0:43:41.719 --> 0:43:44.839 What happened was it was time for album too, right, 0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:49.359 and she wanted to write her album. And I believe 0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:52.440 she earned the right to go take your swings. 0:43:52.480 --> 0:43:52.799 You did it. 0:43:52.880 --> 0:43:55.239 You you you put in two years, you grind it, 0:43:56.320 --> 0:44:00.160 you have you're older now, you know, you're dating. We've 0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:04.240 got stories, You've seen the world three times over. Go 0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:10.080 go right. And when she came back, I remember it 0:44:10.120 --> 0:44:12.400 was like about six seven months later. You know, we 0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:14.840 had rented out Jungle, you know, in New York studio. 0:44:14.920 --> 0:44:16.200 Was like, you know, that was gonna be our listening things. 0:44:16.280 --> 0:44:16.840 We got we got the. 0:44:16.800 --> 0:44:20.680 Studio and I remember I had pulled up. I said, 0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:22.120 I'll never forget this. I had pulled up to the 0:44:22.120 --> 0:44:27.120 studio that day and on Z one hundred, biggest station 0:44:27.200 --> 0:44:28.799 in the country, I said, her records. I said, your 0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:29.480 record is playing. 0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:29.799 You know. 0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:31.600 Literally when I got out the studio, I mean I 0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:33.800 got out of the car her records on the radio. 0:44:35.200 --> 0:44:38.239 Five PM Drivetime pulled up the studio, biggest station in 0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:40.759 the world, in the country, your record's still planning from 0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:46.719 the previous album. That that for me, that album two 0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:51.160 has to elevate, right. And it's funny because I think 0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:52.800 about it like this, I'm gonna come back around. I 0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:54.600 probably go sound well, it won't be long winded. But 0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:58.160 Tricky and I found this artist in Blue Cantrail. We 0:44:58.239 --> 0:45:00.520 signed her. We had a big success first first album 0:45:01.280 --> 0:45:04.919 and album two. We got stupid we we we went 0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:07.760 and we started renting cars, you know. Trick got Ferrari 0:45:07.920 --> 0:45:09.960 and I got the new Bends, I mean, the new 0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:13.160 big body of BMW. And we went down to Miami. 0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:15.160 We got Circle House. We you know, we rented out 0:45:15.200 --> 0:45:17.600 the whole Circle House, shot out bb in Circle House. 0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:20.680 We just we was wild. We had rooms. We had 0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:23.440 rooms in New York, we had rooms in LA We 0:45:23.480 --> 0:45:25.640 had room We had all the Circle House. We were 0:45:26.440 --> 0:45:28.239 We did all the things. Cars was being ship I 0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:31.719 remember when when there was trailers of cars being shipped. Yeah, yeah, 0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:35.600 we cars is coming off right outside. Yeah we yeah, 0:45:35.640 --> 0:45:40.120 we we we was. We had chefs, we had homes, 0:45:40.160 --> 0:45:44.120 we were in Miami. We were and I remember La 0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:45.719 Reid said to us one day, he said to us, 0:45:45.760 --> 0:45:48.960 and I'll never get to this, said, what are y'all doing? 0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:54.080 And he said, go back to the same studio that 0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:57.280 she went to on the first album, wear the same clothes, 0:45:57.760 --> 0:46:01.200 eat the same food. Now he meant that metaphorically. What 0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:04.480 he was saying is it wasn't broke, so what are 0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:11.440 you doing? And he was right and knowing that after 0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:14.400 she did that, I come back to Alessia. I was like, 0:46:15.160 --> 0:46:20.279 it wasn't broke. Let's go back to Oak, to Pop 0:46:21.120 --> 0:46:25.880 to Sebastian and let's continue this. Let's put we had 0:46:25.880 --> 0:46:27.799 our foot on their neck, Let's go put let's go 0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:29.759 put our foot on their neck. You know what I'm saying, 0:46:29.840 --> 0:46:32.440 like we we are, we are killing right now. And 0:46:32.800 --> 0:46:36.160 I think what ended up happening is is, you know, 0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:41.680 again things elevated. There are a lot more people around, 0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:44.239 and we didn't go back to what was what it was. 0:46:44.320 --> 0:46:48.080 So then I as the A and R at the time, 0:46:48.120 --> 0:46:51.360 I said there, you know, it became known that the 0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:56.959 A n R didn't like the new music and opened 0:46:57.160 --> 0:47:00.560 the door, and then there was it was never forget 0:47:01.320 --> 0:47:05.480 because my contract was up too, and my contract was up. 0:47:07.160 --> 0:47:11.759 We won the Grammy twenty eighteen in February, and my 0:47:11.800 --> 0:47:15.120 contract was up like a week after, like a week later, 0:47:15.680 --> 0:47:17.400 and so I'm thinking like, okay, it's up. 0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:17.600 Oh. 0:47:17.640 --> 0:47:20.400 I'm like, okay, cool, I'm about to free ag No, no, no, 0:47:20.440 --> 0:47:23.400 I'm about to I'm about to re up. Yeah. I 0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:25.120 think of the extension because I remember they had just 0:47:25.800 --> 0:47:28.600 my man no oppressed to shout out no oppressing an amazing, 0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:32.600 amazing love Noah. Noah just got quote unquote an an 0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:34.480 ore Maxie. They just maxed out. No. I was like, 0:47:35.640 --> 0:47:38.719 I was like, oh no, we're just getting maxed out. 0:47:38.760 --> 0:47:40.480 I was like, okay, I remember walking into the office. 0:47:40.480 --> 0:47:42.560 I'll never forget this. I walked to the office and 0:47:42.680 --> 0:47:44.080 they said I got a call. 0:47:45.200 --> 0:47:45.759 I swear to got. 0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:46.840 I think I walked to that because there was a 0:47:46.880 --> 0:47:48.759 new Bottles was going there was a new guy in there, 0:47:49.160 --> 0:47:50.560 and I mean I think I probably walked into the 0:47:50.560 --> 0:47:51.920 office like okay, cool. You know, I think I was 0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:55.200 rubbing my hands. I was like okay, I said, okay, 0:47:55.440 --> 0:47:58.279 it's time. It's time for that deal. I was like, okay, cool, 0:47:58.320 --> 0:47:59.960 where that money I played? I was like here we go, 0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:01.880 my deal, and you couldn't have tied this out of 0:48:01.920 --> 0:48:03.879 any better. I was like, I just averaged twenty and ten. 0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:07.360 You know what, you know what I'm saying, Let's go, baby, 0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:10.600 Let's go, and then I'll never forget he said to me. 0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:14.400 He said, uh, he said, man, you know this is 0:48:14.440 --> 0:48:17.440 the hardest part of my new job. Thinking myself, what 0:48:17.440 --> 0:48:20.719 what's hard about cutting the check? I was like, he said, man, 0:48:20.719 --> 0:48:24.280 but we gotta let you go. And I was like, oh, 0:48:25.200 --> 0:48:31.680 like how I just I just y'all y'all to see 0:48:31.680 --> 0:48:34.799 that that and the winner is and then get y'all 0:48:34.840 --> 0:48:39.439 to hear that why I'm leaving. I was like, wait 0:48:39.440 --> 0:48:41.799 a minute, and this is two weeks a week after 0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:44.160 the week after granted, man, and I had just come 0:48:44.200 --> 0:48:45.759 off with you, and we had just just an r 0:48:46.080 --> 0:48:48.719 Jesu's album, the number one album jeszuz just beat like 0:48:48.760 --> 0:48:51.200 Kenny Chesney. So I had a number one j Z album, 0:48:51.520 --> 0:48:53.759 I had a number one saw twenty bracts as long 0:48:53.800 --> 0:48:56.240 as I live, and I just had a Celestian project. 0:48:56.280 --> 0:49:00.239 And I'm like, im so, how y'all me I swear 0:49:00.280 --> 0:49:02.480 of guy the moment he said, and we gotta let 0:49:02.480 --> 0:49:04.040 you go. I didn't hear nothing else. I don't think 0:49:04.040 --> 0:49:05.960 I heard nothing else In like two weeks, I didn't 0:49:05.960 --> 0:49:08.760 hear I was in a funk. I was like wow. 0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:11.799 I was like, you do everything right, and I was like, 0:49:12.239 --> 0:49:16.359 how y'all let me go. But again it came back 0:49:16.360 --> 0:49:21.839 to I think me saying initially that the music that 0:49:23.200 --> 0:49:24.920 she had started working on the second project, I just 0:49:25.040 --> 0:49:26.880 I felt like we had we could go better. And 0:49:26.920 --> 0:49:29.319 so but then you listen to the artist, you're about 0:49:29.360 --> 0:49:31.880 to rock the boat. Yeah, you know. Unfortunately it was 0:49:32.400 --> 0:49:35.680 unless he's an amazing artist man, that I just believe 0:49:35.800 --> 0:49:38.720 that I thought we could do take it to another level. 0:49:38.880 --> 0:49:42.920 You mentioned something, you said you couldn't hear nothing for 0:49:42.960 --> 0:49:46.359 two weeks. No, after that, I hear right, because you know, 0:49:46.680 --> 0:49:51.560 we don't have a lot of executives, especially current executives 0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:55.759 come on the show, and I like to know that 0:49:55.880 --> 0:49:57.960 feeling right because people are just. 0:49:57.920 --> 0:49:58.359 Like, oh yeah. 0:49:58.400 --> 0:49:59.680 And then I went to this company, and then I 0:49:59.760 --> 0:50:03.640 wasn't what you know, because we talked to the artists, 0:50:04.160 --> 0:50:07.600 and the artists obviously tell how it feels to get 0:50:07.680 --> 0:50:10.439 dropped to this have to bounce back. 0:50:10.880 --> 0:50:13.480 But there's a thing in this industry too. 0:50:13.520 --> 0:50:16.000 I was talking to you know, another one of our counterparts, 0:50:16.400 --> 0:50:18.000 and he was saying like, yeah, when you know, when 0:50:18.000 --> 0:50:21.920 I got fired from such and such, certain niggas wouldn't 0:50:21.960 --> 0:50:24.800 call me back. Who had I had just done? 0:50:24.960 --> 0:50:27.960 It was for yeah, yeah, I'll never forget. There was 0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:30.040 a few people that reached out. Barry whis had called 0:50:30.040 --> 0:50:32.279 me in and gave me some words of encouragement, a 0:50:32.280 --> 0:50:34.719 man Josh from Posts, and my brother Walter Jones. I 0:50:34.760 --> 0:50:36.560 remember those calls. I mean, there was a few people 0:50:36.600 --> 0:50:39.400 called me, but those specifically those stuck out to me, 0:50:39.719 --> 0:50:42.040 stot out to me. I literally was like it was 0:50:42.160 --> 0:50:44.560 it was like what maybe I think the next time 0:50:44.600 --> 0:50:47.200 I really woke up, because that was February was eight 0:50:47.239 --> 0:50:48.680 and April I went to Coachella for some reason, I 0:50:48.719 --> 0:50:50.040 think I don't know that year and I was just 0:50:50.120 --> 0:50:52.680 kind of like then I stood away from the business 0:50:52.680 --> 0:50:54.759 for a little while, and then I was like, okay, cool, 0:50:54.800 --> 0:50:56.120 let me let me just get back out here and 0:50:56.160 --> 0:50:57.680 just kind of see what it was. But I ended 0:50:57.800 --> 0:51:01.080 up taking a couple of years off. I found Queen Nija. 0:51:01.320 --> 0:51:03.440 Somebody brought me Queen Naje. I got Queen Nija signed. 0:51:03.800 --> 0:51:05.960 I remember you introduced me to her. We're at a restaurant. 0:51:06.000 --> 0:51:09.000 I want to say. It was like me and you, 0:51:09.040 --> 0:51:12.480 no id, we were at some kind of dinner, I 0:51:12.520 --> 0:51:16.600 don't know what it was. And you were like, she's it. Yeah, 0:51:17.160 --> 0:51:19.480 the girlfriend the internet. Yeah, and I've seen a couple 0:51:19.480 --> 0:51:20.279 of clips. 0:51:19.960 --> 0:51:20.920 And it's like she could sing. 0:51:21.000 --> 0:51:23.520 No, yeah, You're like, nah, Jay, I'm telling you, she 0:51:24.040 --> 0:51:26.480 she got it. She can write, she can sing, like 0:51:26.520 --> 0:51:28.799 she got a story. You give me the whole. 0:51:29.719 --> 0:51:33.160 I'm like, well, if you said, yeah, so I was 0:51:33.200 --> 0:51:35.040 moving you and you weren't at it. You didn't have 0:51:35.239 --> 0:51:37.839 a gig at that point. No, absolutely not. I was unemployed. 0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:40.799 I was I was moving Queen around and then big 0:51:40.840 --> 0:51:43.239 bidding war for Queen and then obviously I took it 0:51:43.239 --> 0:51:45.879 to my brother now Idea Capital, and damn that did 0:51:46.000 --> 0:51:48.719 deal over there, you know that. But for the most part, Dog, 0:51:48.760 --> 0:51:50.960 I just took time off and I just was like, 0:51:51.320 --> 0:51:53.120 I didn't want to be at a gig again. You 0:51:53.160 --> 0:51:54.200 know what I'm saying. I was like, cause that was 0:51:54.239 --> 0:51:56.680 such a weird kind of thing for me. Man, that 0:51:56.920 --> 0:51:58.560 shook me to the core. I ain't gonna lie to you, 0:51:58.640 --> 0:52:00.719 because you know, when you go to work every day. 0:52:00.719 --> 0:52:03.279 You work for those moments, you know what I'm saying. 0:52:03.360 --> 0:52:05.960 Yeah, you work for success, right, and then you get them, 0:52:05.960 --> 0:52:07.239 and then you're not rewarded, and then. 0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:09.279 You get it and then that happens to you, you 0:52:09.320 --> 0:52:12.360 know what I'm saying. And it sort of, you know, 0:52:12.520 --> 0:52:15.239 shifted me a little bit. You know, that was a 0:52:15.320 --> 0:52:17.520 that was a rough period, and so I was like, 0:52:17.520 --> 0:52:19.080 all right, cool, I'm just gonna take some time off. 0:52:19.320 --> 0:52:21.919 Travel kicked. It just got away. A couple of people 0:52:21.920 --> 0:52:23.080 had called me and said did you want to do this? 0:52:23.200 --> 0:52:24.400 Come do that? But I was like, nah, I'm just 0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:27.319 not in the right headspace. And then I got a 0:52:27.360 --> 0:52:31.080 call from my brother, manty Olsen to come work at BMG. 0:52:31.160 --> 0:52:33.280 And again I go back to you don't work at companies, 0:52:33.280 --> 0:52:35.480 you work with people. And so I went to go 0:52:35.520 --> 0:52:37.880 work with somebody that I knew, you know what I'm saying, 0:52:37.880 --> 0:52:40.640 And I'm still here six seven years later at BMG. 0:52:40.960 --> 0:52:41.520 Yeah. 0:52:41.600 --> 0:52:44.760 Yeah, having a good time, and that's why we're at BMG. 0:52:45.800 --> 0:52:49.520 That's right, that's right, that's right, that's right. You called 0:52:49.520 --> 0:52:50.640 me one day. I called you up. 0:52:50.719 --> 0:52:54.840 Yeah, you said, hey man, And actually we were still 0:52:55.120 --> 0:52:59.880 at that time. I think it was before maybe at 0:52:59.880 --> 0:53:02.840 the tell end of the R and B Money album, 0:53:03.560 --> 0:53:04.279 and like. 0:53:04.239 --> 0:53:07.440 You know what you going to do? Yeah, I don't know. 0:53:07.520 --> 0:53:12.080 Yeah, let me ask you, right, And obviously you know 0:53:12.360 --> 0:53:14.239 it took it took a little while to just kind 0:53:14.239 --> 0:53:16.920 of figure it out obviously at the last place what 0:53:17.040 --> 0:53:18.320 was going on there in the transition. 0:53:19.000 --> 0:53:21.080 But I just remember you just being like, hey, Bro, 0:53:21.200 --> 0:53:23.719 like you should think about BMG. You should talk to 0:53:23.760 --> 0:53:26.280 Bro and see what he thinks about BMG, because it's 0:53:26.800 --> 0:53:29.880 it's getting real over here. It's turning into something you 0:53:29.920 --> 0:53:30.440 know what I mean. 0:53:30.640 --> 0:53:33.200 And kudos y'all, because it's one thing to do business 0:53:33.239 --> 0:53:35.160 with your friends. It's another thing to your friends to 0:53:35.239 --> 0:53:40.000 make you look good. Number one record, magic, Yeah, come on, 0:53:40.160 --> 0:53:43.000 come on, control, Come on control. So you know what 0:53:43.000 --> 0:53:49.120 I'm saying. Your baby got some number one baby. You 0:53:49.160 --> 0:53:49.720 know what I'm saying. 0:53:50.480 --> 0:53:51.880 We got a monster coming. 0:53:51.600 --> 0:53:54.160 And you got some more records coming. I heard, I've heard, 0:53:54.280 --> 0:53:57.560 I've heard. So yeah. Man, it's it's those moments when 0:53:57.560 --> 0:53:58.840 you say, you know what, you can do business with 0:53:58.880 --> 0:54:00.640 your friends and yeah, you call, I mean we talked. 0:54:00.680 --> 0:54:02.520 I remember I was in New York. I remember that call. 0:54:02.800 --> 0:54:04.880 A conversation and I was like, yeah, man, like why not, 0:54:05.120 --> 0:54:07.000 Like you know, to be in business with y'all would 0:54:07.040 --> 0:54:09.560 be amazing. And it's funny because you don't remember because 0:54:09.560 --> 0:54:12.600 I worked at ATV and you gave me a dope 0:54:12.640 --> 0:54:14.200 compliment one time and I was, this is my early 0:54:14.200 --> 0:54:17.520 publishing day and I had just placed like two or 0:54:17.520 --> 0:54:20.360 three year old records in a day on other people, 0:54:21.120 --> 0:54:22.520 and you call me one day you said, man, you 0:54:22.560 --> 0:54:23.719 know what, man, he said, I don't even know why 0:54:23.719 --> 0:54:25.359 I need a manager. I said, if you're gonna hustle 0:54:25.440 --> 0:54:26.719 my records like that, you said, I don't even know 0:54:26.719 --> 0:54:28.440 I need a manager. And I said. It was on 0:54:28.480 --> 0:54:30.319 a Friday, And I remember that day leaving office. I 0:54:30.320 --> 0:54:32.200 was like, yeah, I placed I placed a bunch of 0:54:32.239 --> 0:54:35.719 tanks records. I was slanging records and I was like 0:54:36.000 --> 0:54:38.799 I was and I got taken about two or three 0:54:38.800 --> 0:54:39.719 records place of the day. 0:54:39.760 --> 0:54:39.880 Man. 0:54:39.920 --> 0:54:40.160 It was. 0:54:40.239 --> 0:54:41.759 It was a good feeling. I remember you seld me that. 0:54:41.840 --> 0:54:44.520 But again it goes back to just work with people 0:54:44.520 --> 0:54:46.759 you fuck with, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, So 0:54:46.840 --> 0:54:48.880 that's what it was, man. So it was it was 0:54:49.160 --> 0:54:51.600 to be in business with y'all. And watch what y'all 0:54:51.640 --> 0:54:54.000 was building. You know, at the time, I was like, yeah, man, 0:54:54.000 --> 0:54:56.000 why not? Why not be in business with them? 0:54:56.360 --> 0:54:58.080 You know what I'm saying is you make all these 0:54:58.120 --> 0:55:02.000 different leaps and bounds, like you know, then these pivots, 0:55:02.719 --> 0:55:07.480 lots of pivots, and and and going to high levels 0:55:08.360 --> 0:55:09.360 within these pivots. 0:55:09.920 --> 0:55:10.919 What's the driving force? 0:55:11.040 --> 0:55:14.640 Is it just truly just a love for just the 0:55:14.760 --> 0:55:19.520 music itself and and and because for me, I want 0:55:19.560 --> 0:55:25.320 to be involved in music in any way, in any capacity, 0:55:26.000 --> 0:55:31.560 like with no no ego of how much or how 0:55:31.600 --> 0:55:35.800 little I'm involved. You know, if I'm just playing the keyboard, 0:55:36.920 --> 0:55:41.200 I'm with it. If I'm just singing backgrounds, I'm with it. 0:55:41.400 --> 0:55:46.120 If I'm just giving advice, I'm with it. Just to 0:55:46.239 --> 0:55:49.759 be a part of the thing that I love. And 0:55:49.880 --> 0:55:51.440 I'm asking is that the same for you? 0:55:52.040 --> 0:55:57.279 It's it's multifaceted because it's I love like what we did. 0:55:58.160 --> 0:56:00.799 I love being able to do that come through for 0:56:00.840 --> 0:56:06.160 your people, deliver for your people. I love when I 0:56:06.239 --> 0:56:09.120 when I first listen to a record and it makes 0:56:09.160 --> 0:56:11.480 me feel because I still do it for that, you 0:56:11.520 --> 0:56:13.359 know what I'm saying, I still do it for a 0:56:13.400 --> 0:56:15.400 melody of verse and a hook. You know what I'm saying. 0:56:15.880 --> 0:56:17.839 I love going to see an artist performed that you 0:56:17.880 --> 0:56:20.080 sign live and you see them and you get to 0:56:20.120 --> 0:56:23.319 see it, and you watch the growth, and you watch 0:56:23.400 --> 0:56:25.239 people say okay, wow. You know what I'm saying. You 0:56:25.239 --> 0:56:28.719 watch the crowd go from you know, one thousand or 0:56:28.719 --> 0:56:31.560 two hundred people to in the cap room to stadium. 0:56:31.920 --> 0:56:35.560 You do it for that too, right, And I'm competitive, man, 0:56:35.600 --> 0:56:37.759 You know you still want to let me taste something 0:56:37.840 --> 0:56:39.759 when you when you when you taste that drink of 0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:44.680 a number one record, when you taste it, it's it's 0:56:44.400 --> 0:56:47.440 it's the best extra in Yahoe. You could have a hass, 0:56:47.719 --> 0:56:51.680 you know what I'm saying. It and you aug it's 0:56:51.680 --> 0:56:54.120 a drug and you chase it. You wake up every 0:56:54.160 --> 0:56:56.719 Monday and you get on them flights and you get 0:56:56.719 --> 0:56:58.799 on them planes and you pray. Man, it's just going 0:56:58.880 --> 0:57:00.319 to be turning into something. But that's what that's what 0:57:00.400 --> 0:57:02.680 keeps me going. Man. You want to you still want it, 0:57:02.680 --> 0:57:04.319 you know I still you know what I'm saying, You're 0:57:04.360 --> 0:57:06.200 still adding to the legacy of it, all right, you know, 0:57:06.239 --> 0:57:07.880 and I don't you don't think about legacy. But you 0:57:07.920 --> 0:57:11.279 think about just just building you know what I'm saying. 0:57:11.280 --> 0:57:13.640 It's like and it kind of goes back to what 0:57:13.680 --> 0:57:15.719 we're doing here in Atlanta with BMG. You know what 0:57:15.719 --> 0:57:18.400 I'm saying. It's like, I feel like this is another 0:57:18.480 --> 0:57:21.160 chapter in my life. You know, we're building something dope here, 0:57:21.240 --> 0:57:25.880 like you know, just Sign Tricky Sign Dream a few 0:57:25.960 --> 0:57:27.840 years ago, you know what I'm saying, And watching them 0:57:27.840 --> 0:57:30.160 get back together, it's like a beautiful thing. 0:57:30.440 --> 0:57:31.080 You know what I'm saying. 0:57:31.240 --> 0:57:32.800 I don't want to call it there together, but you 0:57:32.840 --> 0:57:35.840 know they're working right. So you know, Sign Tricky Signed 0:57:35.920 --> 0:57:39.439 Dream Sign, Brian Michael Cox, you know, sign a Little 0:57:39.520 --> 0:57:43.560 Ronnie Sign sign my young boy pop Lord was popping. 0:57:44.240 --> 0:57:45.920 And you know, I really feel like, you know, I 0:57:45.960 --> 0:57:49.800 just signed a deal to deal with a berry in 0:57:49.880 --> 0:57:50.560 since the eighties. 0:57:50.600 --> 0:57:51.160 You know what I'm saying. 0:57:51.440 --> 0:57:53.320 I feel like we're planning a flag here in Atlanta, right, 0:57:53.360 --> 0:57:55.040 So it's like that's another thing for me, Like you 0:57:55.040 --> 0:57:55.560 know what I'm saying. 0:57:55.560 --> 0:57:57.400 So it's like I feel like, and to be clear, 0:57:57.960 --> 0:58:00.320 now you're on the publishing side, Yes, I'm sorry, I'm 0:58:00.360 --> 0:58:01.760 on the publish you know, people like. 0:58:01.760 --> 0:58:04.160 So when is this Brian my cocks out. You're right, 0:58:04.200 --> 0:58:08.600 You're right that part yeah, BMG, music publishing, music publishing, yes, 0:58:08.680 --> 0:58:12.240 so yeah, just stay let me just kind of rock here. 0:58:12.280 --> 0:58:14.040 You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I came out here 0:58:14.080 --> 0:58:15.760 and just planning the flag in Atlanta and said that 0:58:15.760 --> 0:58:18.080 I want to build something here in Atlanta on behalf 0:58:18.080 --> 0:58:19.920 of the company. You to start putting that in the 0:58:19.960 --> 0:58:22.440 contracts too, You gott to move to Atlanta. Yeah, right. 0:58:22.920 --> 0:58:24.439 You know it's funny, man. I just told a writer 0:58:24.520 --> 0:58:25.640 that the other day. I was like, yeah, you know, 0:58:25.680 --> 0:58:27.560 I just signed a kid and you know, he was like, 0:58:27.680 --> 0:58:29.360 I'm gonna move to New York and moved to L's Like, 0:58:29.360 --> 0:58:31.360 why would you do that? And I said, your money 0:58:31.440 --> 0:58:33.680 is going to run out, I said, I said, come 0:58:33.720 --> 0:58:37.040 to Atlanta. I said, you know it's it's it's it'll 0:58:37.120 --> 0:58:39.480 last longer here. I said, you know what I'm saying, 0:58:39.480 --> 0:58:42.640 And I said, there's as many studios here, there's infrastructure here, 0:58:42.680 --> 0:58:45.400 there's people here. Yeah, get your hits off here. And 0:58:45.440 --> 0:58:47.600 by the way, you could weather the hard times here. 0:58:48.040 --> 0:58:50.800 Take from me, as a writer, I had some some 0:58:50.920 --> 0:58:54.600 down moments, but bro, it's just the music business. But 0:58:54.920 --> 0:58:58.479 as a writer, down moments in Atlanta way different. Don't 0:58:58.560 --> 0:59:00.520 hurt that they don't. 0:59:02.160 --> 0:59:04.360 The other day he's like, he say, man, in La 0:59:05.120 --> 0:59:07.240 broke us right around the corner, looking at. 0:59:08.000 --> 0:59:12.600 One thousand percent. I'm coming for you, Tricky said. Tricky 0:59:12.600 --> 0:59:13.920 has to stay. And he always says, he said, man, 0:59:13.920 --> 0:59:15.600 I made all my money in Atlanta, and I spent 0:59:15.640 --> 0:59:18.280 it all in l A. And you know what I'm saying, 0:59:18.680 --> 0:59:21.480 And so, and that's kind of what Atlanta is like. 0:59:21.520 --> 0:59:23.280 When I you know, we used to have this thing 0:59:23.320 --> 0:59:27.640 in them terrible m DRC deals and we used to you, man, 0:59:27.800 --> 0:59:30.080 come on the slave deal, them slave deal, you called 0:59:30.080 --> 0:59:32.480 them slave deal. And then you would you would go 0:59:32.560 --> 0:59:40.520 into suspension. What I know all about, man, let me 0:59:40.520 --> 0:59:43.080 tell you something. And then check stopped coming. Man. But 0:59:43.120 --> 0:59:45.160 the thing about it is when when the checks stopped 0:59:45.160 --> 0:59:47.560 coming here, it didn't hurt that bad. You know what 0:59:47.600 --> 0:59:49.320 I'm saying. You still had your home, you still had 0:59:49.360 --> 0:59:54.080 your card, I was suspension, I had courtside seats I 0:59:54.160 --> 0:59:56.360 had I was still with every Hawks game, courtside seats 0:59:56.360 --> 0:59:58.440 and suspension, you know what I'm saying. So like you 0:59:58.440 --> 1:00:02.280 could mentioned and Atlanta didn't feel so bad, you know 1:00:02.320 --> 1:00:04.960 what I'm saying, so it was like it was, it was, 1:00:05.040 --> 1:00:07.480 it was different. And I and I and I and 1:00:07.600 --> 1:00:10.640 I love what Atlanta is and what it's been. You know, 1:00:10.680 --> 1:00:12.959 I tell people, man, it's is black Nashville. Man, and 1:00:13.000 --> 1:00:15.800 we don't we don't respect what it is the way 1:00:15.840 --> 1:00:17.680 we should. You know when I say we, I say, 1:00:17.720 --> 1:00:20.760 people on the coast don't really understand how important this 1:00:20.880 --> 1:00:22.320 city is for us. 1:00:22.320 --> 1:00:22.480 Man. 1:00:22.520 --> 1:00:25.320 And it's like for me coming back here and getting 1:00:25.320 --> 1:00:29.440 a chance to just kind of spend money with these 1:00:29.480 --> 1:00:31.280 writers help you know, Like I signed, I signed a 1:00:31.320 --> 1:00:34.600 kid named nash Being Man. And Na's got a studio. 1:00:34.960 --> 1:00:36.760 You know, he's building, He's building one of these you 1:00:36.800 --> 1:00:38.600 know what I'm saying. It's like, it's a beautiful thing. 1:00:38.640 --> 1:00:38.800 Man. 1:00:39.160 --> 1:00:41.920 You can't you know, listen, it's it's hard. It's hard 1:00:41.960 --> 1:00:43.920 to do that off Ave los Enega. You know what 1:00:43.960 --> 1:00:50.800 I'm saying, it's just just keep it a buck. It's 1:00:50.880 --> 1:00:52.200 hard to do that. It's hard to do that in 1:00:52.200 --> 1:00:53.680 the valley. It's hard to do that. At will and Hill. 1:00:53.720 --> 1:00:55.360 It's hard, you know what I'm saying. But you could 1:00:55.400 --> 1:00:57.320 do that here, you could you could get you look 1:00:57.360 --> 1:00:58.720 at Trick, Look at Trick did man. You know what 1:00:58.720 --> 1:01:01.920 I'm saying, like, uh, what's the man in the studio? 1:01:02.680 --> 1:01:03.000 Q C? 1:01:03.520 --> 1:01:07.920 Oh oh yeah, come on, come on, funny about q C? 1:01:08.880 --> 1:01:11.240 Is that back in the day. I'll never get this. 1:01:11.640 --> 1:01:15.640 Coach called me about three four o'clock in the mornings. Man, 1:01:15.640 --> 1:01:18.880 I got this kid and it uh and I said, 1:01:18.920 --> 1:01:21.040 now tell you about he's from the Bay. I said, okay, 1:01:21.040 --> 1:01:23.080 I'm about to do the deal already. But it was 1:01:23.080 --> 1:01:25.760 Adrian marcel Man. So you know, I signed, I signed. 1:01:25.760 --> 1:01:29.439 He brought me Adrian marcel Man and coach Coach brought 1:01:29.440 --> 1:01:32.040 me Adrian marcel Yeah. Yeah, care and then he and 1:01:32.040 --> 1:01:34.480 then he left and then it was like it was 1:01:34.520 --> 1:01:37.520 just me and Yancy, but it was but Coach went 1:01:37.560 --> 1:01:39.320 on to go do his thing. But yeah, but it's 1:01:39.360 --> 1:01:42.200 like that I think that you know, that kind of 1:01:42.200 --> 1:01:43.600 helped Coach and he was doing this thing and now 1:01:43.640 --> 1:01:45.160 look with it, you know, but that you you get 1:01:45.240 --> 1:01:49.680 that in atlant you know, you get facilities, you get built. 1:01:50.040 --> 1:01:52.640 You know what I'm saying, and that that's hard to 1:01:52.640 --> 1:01:58.360 do as a black creator. Yeah, it just it just 1:01:58.960 --> 1:02:10.480 doesn't happen. Shout out to La and bank face. Oh 1:02:10.600 --> 1:02:13.640 let me tell you kicking off. Yeah, let me say 1:02:14.160 --> 1:02:16.400 they're the reason why we're all here. I signed it. 1:02:16.440 --> 1:02:17.880 I signed to l A. You know what I'm saying. 1:02:17.960 --> 1:02:21.640 LA gave my first check, bought a house. You know 1:02:21.680 --> 1:02:24.440 what I'm saying. I moved here. And you know, LA 1:02:24.520 --> 1:02:26.439 tells the story. One time I heard him telling the story. 1:02:26.440 --> 1:02:30.640 He said when he first when when the Face first 1:02:30.640 --> 1:02:32.920 got here, there was a company called Green Limousine. He 1:02:32.960 --> 1:02:36.080 said they had two cars. He said at the height 1:02:36.120 --> 1:02:37.800 of the face, he said, they had one hundred and 1:02:37.800 --> 1:02:42.720 twenty cars. And that's and that's infrastructure, right, that's what 1:02:42.840 --> 1:02:45.800 That's what LA built. That's what signing. Tony bracts and 1:02:45.840 --> 1:02:49.280 that's what's signing. You know what I'm saying, Tony Ridge 1:02:49.320 --> 1:02:53.520 outcast all that, that's what that brought. He brought Usher Usher, 1:02:53.600 --> 1:02:57.000 He brought a whole industry to a town. How many 1:02:57.040 --> 1:03:00.960 people say that outside of Barry Gordon, especially when he was. 1:03:00.960 --> 1:03:03.320 From but he was also from there too though, like 1:03:03.640 --> 1:03:04.920 they weren't even from allat. 1:03:05.480 --> 1:03:06.480 L A brought us all here. 1:03:06.760 --> 1:03:06.960 Yeah. 1:03:07.200 --> 1:03:09.880 L A gave us the money. The builders get these levels, 1:03:11.080 --> 1:03:11.960 shout of Perry. 1:03:12.240 --> 1:03:13.320 Yeah, who's from the bank. 1:03:15.440 --> 1:03:17.439 Come on, we're gonna get them all in. We gonna 1:03:17.440 --> 1:03:20.439 get them all in any bay repence know all of them, 1:03:20.480 --> 1:03:25.720 we know, baby, Yeah, Larry Jackson, Larry Jackson, Gazi. Yeah, 1:03:28.240 --> 1:03:30.280 you know. Friends know that's close enough. 1:03:30.840 --> 1:03:31.560 Y'all got a bunch. 1:03:33.640 --> 1:03:35.560 We got him, We got it, and we're forgetting something. 1:03:35.560 --> 1:03:38.680 They gonna probably call me to Yeah, y'all did y'all base? 1:03:38.760 --> 1:03:44.400 Shout out bad dog my bad got bad clean up. 1:03:44.640 --> 1:03:49.680 Chris, Chris Sicks. Yes, rest in peace, my brother the 1:03:49.720 --> 1:03:52.680 one on one secure Stewart Steward, no time, yealy. 1:03:52.760 --> 1:03:53.360 You know what I'm saying. 1:03:53.560 --> 1:03:55.240 The Bay the Bay is. You know what I'm saying. 1:03:55.600 --> 1:03:58.560 I think we kind of claimed Ethiopia a little bit, right. Absolutely, 1:03:58.600 --> 1:04:00.640 she was born in she was born, she was born 1:04:00.680 --> 1:04:02.680 to Bay right. Yeah, she was raising that at all, 1:04:02.800 --> 1:04:04.080 but exactly that's why we got to claim her a 1:04:04.120 --> 1:04:06.160 little bit. But we claim her, you know what I'm saying. 1:04:06.240 --> 1:04:09.600 But yeah, the Bay, the Bay definitely had his footprint 1:04:09.640 --> 1:04:11.640 on this game, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, for sure. 1:04:12.880 --> 1:04:14.640 Let's get to some of these records too, though, because 1:04:14.640 --> 1:04:18.040 we we we glossed over early and the things that 1:04:18.120 --> 1:04:20.320 you were being a part of. Man, that to me, 1:04:20.640 --> 1:04:22.200 you know this is this is the day that to 1:04:22.960 --> 1:04:25.080 poor the champagne and for you to have some champagne. 1:04:25.120 --> 1:04:28.000 You know what I mean? Bro, you were in the 1:04:28.040 --> 1:04:29.520 beginning of Justin Bieber. 1:04:30.440 --> 1:04:34.760 I was, yeah, very because that like this kid that 1:04:34.800 --> 1:04:38.600 obviously was on the internet and another in the sense 1:04:38.760 --> 1:04:41.000 kid that worked for Jermaine Dupris. 1:04:41.040 --> 1:04:45.520 At one point Scooter Scooter Scooter called me and Scooter said, man, 1:04:45.600 --> 1:04:49.120 billionaire the billionaire. Yeah, the billionaire, Yeah, shout out Scooter 1:04:49.160 --> 1:04:52.280 bron Scooter called me and said, uh, I got this 1:04:52.360 --> 1:04:55.800 kid and kept sending me this video on YouTube clip 1:04:55.960 --> 1:04:58.920 and he was playing his guitar in Stratford on thetarier 1:04:58.960 --> 1:05:00.400 and I was like, and he said, just take a 1:05:00.440 --> 1:05:02.800 list to this kid. And I listened to it and 1:05:02.840 --> 1:05:04.840 I called Scooter. I said, Yo, he's incredible. What are 1:05:04.840 --> 1:05:07.000 we doing? And I just kept maing He's like, we 1:05:07.000 --> 1:05:09.240 got to figure this out. And so Scooter brought him 1:05:09.240 --> 1:05:15.040 to Atlanta and I ended up obviously writing his first 1:05:15.040 --> 1:05:18.160 single one time, but I ended up placing and I 1:05:18.200 --> 1:05:20.080 was like, Scooter would just be like, it's so funny, 1:05:20.120 --> 1:05:22.920 cause Scooter. I always say this about Scooter the Billionaire. 1:05:22.920 --> 1:05:27.200 Scooter was he was already there because at that point 1:05:27.200 --> 1:05:29.000 he just let me place whatever songs on the album 1:05:29.000 --> 1:05:30.920 I wanted. He was like, yeah, I was just I 1:05:30.960 --> 1:05:32.439 was like, yeo, okay, I found this record. I found 1:05:32.480 --> 1:05:36.680 this record. I foind this record absolutely, so he we cut. 1:05:36.800 --> 1:05:38.320 Like I think I had five six songs on the 1:05:38.360 --> 1:05:40.840 first project that I brought or whatever. Actually one of 1:05:40.840 --> 1:05:43.360 the first songs I brought was written by Frank because 1:05:43.400 --> 1:05:46.640 I had to recoup Frank's deal. Everything goes back to 1:05:46.800 --> 1:05:50.760 getting that honed. I got to get that money back, 1:05:51.320 --> 1:05:52.800 and I was like, okay, I said, okay, I got 1:05:52.800 --> 1:05:54.840 this one song called Bigger. I remember, I sid I'm 1:05:54.840 --> 1:05:56.720 about to put this on the project. Scooter said, dope, 1:05:56.760 --> 1:05:58.640 let's do it. I was literally just placing a bunch 1:05:58.680 --> 1:06:02.280 of songs on the project, and you know, it just 1:06:02.320 --> 1:06:02.760 took off. 1:06:02.800 --> 1:06:02.960 Man. 1:06:03.040 --> 1:06:06.000 But I knew it was two things. Because it's funny 1:06:06.000 --> 1:06:07.600 because I was I think about this when I think 1:06:07.600 --> 1:06:10.160 about Scooter Scooter, because there's music and there's the music business. 1:06:11.320 --> 1:06:15.120 Scooter was I cared about the music. Scooter was amazingly 1:06:15.200 --> 1:06:17.680 about the business. You know what I'm saying that Obviously 1:06:17.880 --> 1:06:20.880 it turned out that way, and Scooter was great partner 1:06:20.920 --> 1:06:22.280 them in the beginning, he just was like, yoh, man, 1:06:22.360 --> 1:06:24.040 just send me records. Man, just I need records for 1:06:24.080 --> 1:06:25.680 this kid. And I said, I got you because he 1:06:25.760 --> 1:06:27.760 knew that in the beginning, I believed in it. He 1:06:27.760 --> 1:06:29.520 played me the kid early and I was like, yeah, 1:06:29.600 --> 1:06:32.120 let's do it whatever, and so the kid was amazing, 1:06:32.600 --> 1:06:34.560 and so yeah, we did that, and then the second 1:06:34.560 --> 1:06:37.160 project probably placed like two or three other four records 1:06:37.160 --> 1:06:38.920 on it. My World two point zero. 1:06:39.000 --> 1:06:41.160 Yeah, did you write on the second one? 1:06:41.280 --> 1:06:42.760 I did not write on the second one and second one. 1:06:42.760 --> 1:06:45.880 By the time second got here, I was fully an executive. 1:06:46.840 --> 1:06:47.720 I was at Tony. 1:06:47.720 --> 1:06:52.760 He met Frank and Frank told him without saying anything, yeah, man, yeah. 1:06:52.720 --> 1:06:55.840 I write the songs around here now. Yeah. Man, Frank 1:06:55.840 --> 1:07:00.200 crossed me up The Girl, The Girls, The Girls Trip. Yeah. 1:07:00.280 --> 1:07:00.520 Yeah. 1:07:00.640 --> 1:07:03.520 And so yeah, that I was early early Beaver definitely 1:07:03.600 --> 1:07:04.160 A yeah. 1:07:04.800 --> 1:07:07.120 It's funny because now that I'm like thinking of your catalog, 1:07:07.120 --> 1:07:08.800 you work on a lot of young artists. 1:07:09.200 --> 1:07:13.760 Was B two K Beaver Sammy Sammy Little Sammy? Yeah, 1:07:13.880 --> 1:07:17.479 I wrote us sam My bad My Bad. I wrote 1:07:17.480 --> 1:07:19.400 his very first single, crazy Things I Do for Love? 1:07:19.720 --> 1:07:22.320 Yeah, Yeah, that's crazy. 1:07:23.200 --> 1:07:25.840 What was it that was a driver for like you 1:07:26.040 --> 1:07:28.880 working with new artists, was it because really you didn't 1:07:28.880 --> 1:07:29.680 have a whole bunch. 1:07:29.560 --> 1:07:31.640 Of placements on people at one point and you were 1:07:31.680 --> 1:07:33.200 just trying to get it. You know, it's a good question. 1:07:33.280 --> 1:07:35.120 You got to think about. When we was writing songs, 1:07:35.200 --> 1:07:38.000 we was, we was competing. That meant it was still 1:07:38.720 --> 1:07:42.320 Jammy Lewis. It was still Babyface, it was still Teddy Riley, 1:07:43.080 --> 1:07:45.560 it was still Rodney, it was still was taking what 1:07:45.600 --> 1:07:48.360 you could get. Yeah, it was still Jamaine. So if 1:07:48.360 --> 1:07:50.880 you got if you got a single back then I mean, 1:07:51.000 --> 1:07:53.320 come on, it was it was. It was different. It 1:07:53.360 --> 1:07:55.240 was different. It was different. It was really tough to get. 1:07:55.360 --> 1:07:58.680 Everybody was getting album cut. What we was just you know, 1:07:58.760 --> 1:08:00.200 we was, We was just trying to get on on 1:08:00.320 --> 1:08:02.400 project that you know, that that were coming out, that 1:08:02.480 --> 1:08:04.480 were coming out, and so you were competing with the 1:08:04.480 --> 1:08:06.680 back of the M D r C. Yes, absolutely, back 1:08:06.680 --> 1:08:08.320 in the r C. Which is funny because this is 1:08:08.360 --> 1:08:11.320 why I would sign artists. I found Blue Cant Trail. 1:08:12.000 --> 1:08:13.600 I found her at the place cause the state they 1:08:13.920 --> 1:08:15.840 called for sisters only, and I was like, you know what, 1:08:15.880 --> 1:08:19.040 I'm absolutely I was a fist only. And I found 1:08:19.040 --> 1:08:24.840 this girl we we deal with hilarious. There was one here. 1:08:25.320 --> 1:08:27.559 There was one here in Atlanta, and I met her 1:08:27.600 --> 1:08:29.280 and she's like, I sing, and I'm like you do, 1:08:30.240 --> 1:08:32.160 and so she sang for me writing for sisters only, 1:08:32.280 --> 1:08:35.760 and I was like, hold on, I called trick. I said, yo, 1:08:36.160 --> 1:08:38.880 I found this girl. And honestly, two weeks later she 1:08:38.920 --> 1:08:43.400 was signed Arriston and in a huge deal. But the 1:08:43.439 --> 1:08:45.320 reason why I was doing that is because I could 1:08:45.320 --> 1:08:47.639 write all my songs and put them on the project. 1:08:48.360 --> 1:08:51.200 I said, Okay, I'm a trick to system. I'm gonna 1:08:51.200 --> 1:08:52.960 get I'm gonna get my my m DR. I'm gonna 1:08:52.960 --> 1:08:56.719 get my two. Absolutely, I'm gonna keep my course seat. 1:09:00.240 --> 1:09:02.840 Absolutely not. I mean, you know what it was. I'm 1:09:02.960 --> 1:09:04.720 from the Bay. I'm a worrifare threw it through. But 1:09:04.920 --> 1:09:06.000 you know it was fun to have, you know what 1:09:06.000 --> 1:09:07.719 I'm saying at the time. So it's like but again, 1:09:07.760 --> 1:09:11.599 it's like I used write out find artists to get 1:09:11.640 --> 1:09:14.320 write my songs, which I did with Sam Salter. I 1:09:14.360 --> 1:09:16.519 found sign this girl so late, and you know I 1:09:16.560 --> 1:09:18.920 wrote some songs on that project too, and I would 1:09:18.960 --> 1:09:21.960 just write these songs and to get among the projects, 1:09:21.960 --> 1:09:23.479 you know what I'm saying. I love it. 1:09:23.479 --> 1:09:27.120 He's quick. What well, he's quick, so what you're doing? 1:09:27.640 --> 1:09:28.000 All right? 1:09:28.040 --> 1:09:33.000 Cool? Let's sign what one thousand percent? And I guess 1:09:33.000 --> 1:09:35.599 that I got four songs right now, man, five or six. 1:09:35.840 --> 1:09:38.160 But it's funny because remember when we signed her shout 1:09:38.160 --> 1:09:39.719 Out Down Sous and he wrote hit Him Up Style, 1:09:40.880 --> 1:09:43.639 and then the songs that we didn't write. I remember 1:09:44.760 --> 1:09:46.240 Ellie said, well, who you want to work on the album? 1:09:46.240 --> 1:09:48.479 And I said, Jamy lewiscause that's my favorite producers of 1:09:48.479 --> 1:09:50.720 all time. Yeah, Llia said Jammer Lewis. He said, no, 1:09:50.880 --> 1:09:52.880 the song these songs, and I say, I don't care. 1:09:54.160 --> 1:09:56.160 I don't care. We went up to Mini Apples. I 1:09:56.200 --> 1:09:58.439 went the flight time and I think Jama Louis was 1:09:58.439 --> 1:10:00.559 trying like one hundred fifty thousand dollars. I had no 1:10:00.600 --> 1:10:02.240 idea what it but I had no idea what the 1:10:02.240 --> 1:10:03.880 budget was. You know what I'm saying. We didn't care. 1:10:03.920 --> 1:10:05.360 We was like, you know, we just went up there. 1:10:05.479 --> 1:10:07.120 For me, that was just an opportunity to just go 1:10:07.160 --> 1:10:10.439 be around Jammin. I sat up there and I was like, man, 1:10:10.479 --> 1:10:15.200 I'm just work like paying exactly. That was That was 1:10:15.280 --> 1:10:17.200 That was tuition for me. You know what I'm saying, 1:10:17.240 --> 1:10:19.640 to just be around Jam and Lewis and even go 1:10:19.680 --> 1:10:21.599 up the flight time and work with them. But yeah, man, 1:10:21.600 --> 1:10:23.880 it was like I would usually I would sign artists 1:10:23.880 --> 1:10:26.760 to just put my song, put your songs on absolutely. 1:10:26.960 --> 1:10:29.599 Then you had another song which you kind of just 1:10:29.880 --> 1:10:34.439 randomly had a smash in your retirement with Mary J. 1:10:34.520 --> 1:10:36.880 Blige. Oh well that was with the Clutch. Let me 1:10:37.160 --> 1:10:39.559 let me go back that that was with the Clutch. 1:10:39.800 --> 1:10:43.320 It was it was an idea that I had. I 1:10:43.320 --> 1:10:45.920 remember I was in South Africa. Funny story. I was 1:10:45.920 --> 1:10:47.799 in South Africa, and back in the day in South Africa, 1:10:48.880 --> 1:10:51.559 on the chirons, we would see videos. They would put 1:10:51.760 --> 1:10:54.360 the video director and they would put the songwriters mhmm. 1:10:54.520 --> 1:10:56.000 And I was like, man, we don't do that in America. 1:10:56.040 --> 1:10:57.439 When the video come on here in America, they don't 1:10:57.439 --> 1:11:00.360 put song. I don't listen. And so I felt as 1:11:00.400 --> 1:11:01.920 a songwriter, we didn't. We never got the love that 1:11:01.960 --> 1:11:05.200 we deserved. And I remember I called JQ and Carry 1:11:05.280 --> 1:11:08.439 Hillson and and I called Mark Stewart and I said, yo, 1:11:08.560 --> 1:11:11.000 I said, let's let's come up with a collective. Let's 1:11:11.080 --> 1:11:13.200 let it be something because we would write songs together 1:11:13.560 --> 1:11:16.360 together apart whatever, and I said, let's let's develop something. 1:11:16.400 --> 1:11:18.240 It wasn't called the Clutch. Zeke named it the Clutch, 1:11:18.240 --> 1:11:20.439 I think, but it was like we were a songwriter 1:11:20.560 --> 1:11:24.559 collective and I was like, we gotta just you know, 1:11:24.640 --> 1:11:26.920 as a crew. We started writing songs together and then 1:11:27.360 --> 1:11:31.040 they added Balewa and Candice Yeah, and then uh and 1:11:31.040 --> 1:11:34.559 then they kicked me out? How y'all kick me out 1:11:34.560 --> 1:11:36.160 of something I came up with? I was like, I 1:11:36.160 --> 1:11:37.880 felt like Steve Jobs, like, how y'all gonna kick me 1:11:37.880 --> 1:11:40.040 out of Apple? But but it was funny as hell. 1:11:41.760 --> 1:11:44.639 But it was funny, but it's uh. Zeke's my brother 1:11:44.720 --> 1:11:46.400 is one of my best friends in life to this day. 1:11:46.479 --> 1:11:49.880 But yeah, so with with with that, I ended up 1:11:49.880 --> 1:11:52.000 writing a song, yeah with with the Clutch, he road 1:11:53.080 --> 1:11:55.200 take Me as Me as I Am? Yeah, man and 1:11:55.240 --> 1:11:56.920 me and JQ are a lot of records. We wrote 1:11:57.000 --> 1:11:58.160 records for beat k Road. 1:11:58.240 --> 1:11:58.400 Uh. 1:11:58.640 --> 1:12:03.160 We wrote Fantasia's Uh Yeah Man, Me and Q did that. 1:12:03.200 --> 1:12:06.120 We wrote a lot of records. How did you get 1:12:06.200 --> 1:12:07.000 kicked out of the clutch? 1:12:07.040 --> 1:12:08.200 But what you do? 1:12:08.240 --> 1:12:10.680 You know what it was, but you know what it 1:12:10.760 --> 1:12:12.760 was it was. It was. It was one of those 1:12:12.760 --> 1:12:15.840 things that when you when you got six people, five 1:12:15.840 --> 1:12:18.519 people write on the record and splits started that math 1:12:18.600 --> 1:12:23.840 on math Man the window dwindle hap and a half percent. Yeah, 1:12:23.880 --> 1:12:25.240 you start looking at that and then don't get a 1:12:25.320 --> 1:12:26.680 don't get an artist. He wants the piece of the 1:12:26.680 --> 1:12:28.920 publishing to you know what I'm saying. At that point, 1:12:28.920 --> 1:12:31.439 it's like, you know, so it became it became a 1:12:31.439 --> 1:12:33.880 math problem. And at that point then I started becoming 1:12:33.920 --> 1:12:35.920 closer and becoming an executive more and I was doing 1:12:35.960 --> 1:12:38.200 other things. So I was like, okay, cool, it's the 1:12:38.240 --> 1:12:42.320 transition out of it right, right, right, right right transitions. 1:12:42.400 --> 1:12:46.760 What do you see now how publishing works in this 1:12:47.040 --> 1:12:55.720 new age of you know, streaming in that whole thing, 1:12:55.760 --> 1:12:58.879 and how the money breaks down a little bit different, 1:12:59.000 --> 1:13:03.760 and if if it's if it's still advantageous for you know, 1:13:03.840 --> 1:13:06.280 writers and producers and artists to even do it. 1:13:06.439 --> 1:13:08.960 Absolutely it is, because I'll tell these deals have changed. 1:13:09.120 --> 1:13:12.120 You know what I'm saying, The structure of a publishing deals 1:13:12.200 --> 1:13:16.320 has changed. Like you know, I'll say this, like you 1:13:16.320 --> 1:13:20.960 could ask dream Dream the split dream gets he's earned it, 1:13:21.280 --> 1:13:24.840 of course he's earned it, you know, we do. You know, 1:13:25.160 --> 1:13:28.920 dream Dream will get through a significant amount of money 1:13:29.400 --> 1:13:34.160 quickly because he writes and you know, and they're they're 1:13:35.880 --> 1:13:37.919 pretty much admin deals. But a lot of the structure 1:13:37.960 --> 1:13:41.440 for deals that we do now are you know, advantageous 1:13:41.439 --> 1:13:43.320 to writers. You know, I think attorneys have gotten smarter 1:13:43.720 --> 1:13:47.000 publishing and you know, publishing deals have kind of they're 1:13:47.000 --> 1:13:48.600 not antiquated like they used to be, you know what 1:13:48.600 --> 1:13:50.680 I'm saying, So they caught up to the times. So 1:13:50.800 --> 1:13:53.760 I would suggest if if you're a writer coming up 1:13:53.800 --> 1:13:55.439 in the game and you get it, you know, and 1:13:55.479 --> 1:13:58.360 you're worthy of a deal, to do a publishing deal. 1:13:58.400 --> 1:14:00.800 I mean, you know, it's it's alone. You never have 1:14:00.840 --> 1:14:03.040 to pay back, you know what I'm saying, Like if 1:14:03.040 --> 1:14:05.840 you don't, if it doesn't work, then there's no there's 1:14:05.840 --> 1:14:07.719 no recourse. Nobody's coming to get your house. 1:14:07.800 --> 1:14:08.400 You know what I'm saying. 1:14:08.520 --> 1:14:11.240 It's like, Okay, well we lost as the publishing company helpful. 1:14:11.240 --> 1:14:12.960 We we don't do that that often. We try to 1:14:12.960 --> 1:14:15.200 make great, great deals. But for the most part, it's 1:14:15.240 --> 1:14:18.080 an amazing opportunity for a writer. And now the deals 1:14:18.080 --> 1:14:21.160 are structured, there's no MDRC, they're all recoupment based. You know, 1:14:21.640 --> 1:14:24.000 back in the day, you could recoup a publishing deal 1:14:24.439 --> 1:14:26.880 off of one song, right, but still be stuck in 1:14:26.920 --> 1:14:29.920 the MDRC. And so you know, if then that money 1:14:30.040 --> 1:14:31.920 just goes in, you know it doesn't benefit you. So 1:14:32.000 --> 1:14:34.120 you know, the deals are a lot a lot better now, 1:14:34.160 --> 1:14:36.919 and you know not coming. Being a writer who signs 1:14:37.160 --> 1:14:39.599 form a writer who signs writers, you know, I try 1:14:39.680 --> 1:14:42.400 to educate writers on how to do deals and what 1:14:42.520 --> 1:14:44.360 to do deals. And it's not always about you know, 1:14:44.360 --> 1:14:47.160 everybody wants a million dollars, not everybody deserves a million offs. 1:14:47.200 --> 1:14:49.320 But you know, I'm like, man, take this amount of money, 1:14:49.800 --> 1:14:52.040 get through this, and let's get through here. Let's get 1:14:52.040 --> 1:14:54.320 through here. So I try to educate writers about how 1:14:54.360 --> 1:14:57.000 to do smart deals. It's it's better to have that 1:14:57.080 --> 1:14:59.639 money coming than than to stop, you know what I'm saying, 1:15:00.479 --> 1:15:02.679 because a lot of times you'll take a big advance 1:15:03.280 --> 1:15:05.840 and you pay your commissions, you pay your taxes, and 1:15:05.880 --> 1:15:07.559 you might not see you might not see another check 1:15:07.600 --> 1:15:08.599 for three four years. 1:15:08.680 --> 1:15:11.880 I definitely enjoyed doing my publishing deal. 1:15:12.560 --> 1:15:17.320 Are you ready to do another one? You're still a TV? 1:15:17.439 --> 1:15:18.160 Right? No? 1:15:18.200 --> 1:15:22.599 I met a couple Okay, that's what's up. Competing over there. 1:15:22.600 --> 1:15:24.160 You got a good adm Miss, I'm. 1:15:24.000 --> 1:15:26.559 Sure, but that was the difference. 1:15:26.800 --> 1:15:29.200 That was the change for me, doing that pub deal 1:15:29.600 --> 1:15:31.120 and being able to get that equipment. 1:15:31.280 --> 1:15:33.040 Yeah, there you go, you know what I mean. 1:15:33.240 --> 1:15:35.559 And then now now I can work. 1:15:35.760 --> 1:15:37.360 Yeah yeah, and. 1:15:37.320 --> 1:15:39.679 It's freedom too. He could have a building. 1:15:40.200 --> 1:15:43.439 Come on now, I was in my mama's basement, basement 1:15:44.400 --> 1:15:49.720 help still in Maryland. 1:15:50.439 --> 1:15:52.680 You could have got thirty two thousand square thirty two 1:15:52.680 --> 1:15:56.200 thousand dollars in ninety six. Nobody told me. 1:15:57.920 --> 1:16:00.840 That money gave me, you know, it allowed me to 1:16:00.840 --> 1:16:04.960 get the resources and allowed me the freedom to create 1:16:05.040 --> 1:16:05.519 and grow. 1:16:05.920 --> 1:16:08.160 Keep the light so keep the lights on the Wi FI. 1:16:09.360 --> 1:16:12.400 I don't see nothing. I never saw nothing wrong with that. 1:16:12.520 --> 1:16:15.880 Absolutely, But and I got I got a great deal, 1:16:16.680 --> 1:16:19.639 you know, with some great people, you know what I. 1:16:19.560 --> 1:16:22.000 Mean, They weren't as good a publisher as I was. 1:16:21.800 --> 1:16:24.400 Who's slaying your records? I got you two three cuts 1:16:24.439 --> 1:16:26.519 in the day. Baby. You know what's crazy? 1:16:26.560 --> 1:16:26.760 Yeah? 1:16:26.880 --> 1:16:28.160 No, I wasn't. 1:16:28.720 --> 1:16:30.880 I was just you know what I'm saying. I was 1:16:30.880 --> 1:16:34.000 beating streets myself in the beginning. You know what I'm 1:16:34.000 --> 1:16:37.519 saying but the trick was, you know, I had I 1:16:37.520 --> 1:16:40.200 had albums there you go, that's right, and that was 1:16:40.240 --> 1:16:40.719 my trick. 1:16:41.160 --> 1:16:41.640 That was it. 1:16:42.200 --> 1:16:49.280 And they and once once they saw that happen, they say. 1:16:47.560 --> 1:16:49.360 Yeah, right, you're moving through these too quick. 1:16:49.479 --> 1:16:52.200 We gotta switch this up. We got to create some 1:16:52.640 --> 1:16:57.080 thresholds for you, Pardner. I got kind of me and 1:16:57.280 --> 1:16:59.120 Kelly kind of messed up the business and that I 1:16:59.120 --> 1:17:03.880 can see that that way. Yeah, three songs, like because 1:17:03.920 --> 1:17:07.080 I was, I had a five songs, M D R C. 1:17:09.200 --> 1:17:14.200 I'm one hundred percenter. Still doesn't I didn't know it's time. Yes, 1:17:14.640 --> 1:17:16.479 that's so. But when I hear it as from a 1:17:16.520 --> 1:17:19.200 storright perspective, that's a lot of one hundred percent people, 1:17:19.760 --> 1:17:22.439 of course, but I'm one hundred percenter this is true 1:17:22.720 --> 1:17:24.360 or fifty percent. Yeah, that's true. 1:17:24.520 --> 1:17:25.719 And I got my own album. 1:17:25.760 --> 1:17:28.400 You can get through that quickly. It were mad at me, 1:17:28.560 --> 1:17:29.080 I know they. 1:17:28.960 --> 1:17:31.320 Were, because it was upside down the other way. Yeah, 1:17:31.520 --> 1:17:32.840 they had to give me a bunch of money and 1:17:32.880 --> 1:17:35.080 I just keep moving through terms every time I turn 1:17:35.120 --> 1:17:38.280 an album, and they was like, no, sir, we're done 1:17:38.320 --> 1:17:43.120 with this. We're gonna fix you, you guys. Two songs count. 1:17:43.479 --> 1:17:45.719 Only three songs count when you sell this many four 1:17:45.800 --> 1:17:46.920 songs count when you sell. 1:17:46.760 --> 1:17:51.439 This absolutely yeah yeah publishing business. 1:17:51.479 --> 1:17:53.840 Yeah yeah. 1:17:54.040 --> 1:17:55.519 Listen, man, I would do a deal with you now. 1:17:55.560 --> 1:17:57.680 You know what I'm saying. I do that deal to 1:17:57.680 --> 1:18:03.840 the heartbeat because fast, let's have come on. Let me 1:18:03.880 --> 1:18:06.960 know you're ready. I'll do a deal with you. 1:18:07.000 --> 1:18:07.120 Bro. 1:18:07.200 --> 1:18:08.760 You might as well. You want to make record size, 1:18:08.760 --> 1:18:10.439 you wanted to come on home? May just have everything 1:18:10.439 --> 1:18:17.240 a BMG. Baby you go. I like the way you're talking. Pants, 1:18:17.280 --> 1:18:20.160 come on, come on you. I like the way you're talking. Baby. 1:18:20.320 --> 1:18:21.360 To use a couple of dollars. 1:18:21.320 --> 1:18:23.360 I can't use a couple of more dollars. 1:18:24.000 --> 1:18:27.400 Call me, buy me something at let ye there you go. 1:18:29.320 --> 1:18:30.960 There's a lot of things out here to buy. Baby, 1:18:31.040 --> 1:18:42.000 Let's go. What's now for you? Brother? I mean you still? 1:18:42.120 --> 1:18:42.280 You know? 1:18:42.479 --> 1:18:45.920 I mean listen, man, I'm I'm here building it at BMG. Man, 1:18:46.120 --> 1:18:48.160 I'm trying to try to grow it, build it. And 1:18:48.680 --> 1:18:50.120 you know I'm between here in Atlanta and l A. 1:18:50.200 --> 1:18:51.800 So I spent my time between both. So you know, 1:18:51.880 --> 1:18:53.800 I have a great team, great staff that I have there, 1:18:54.400 --> 1:18:55.479 and we're just trying to build it. 1:18:55.520 --> 1:18:55.720 Man. 1:18:55.800 --> 1:18:57.639 We're trying to grow it. We gotta we gotta compete 1:18:57.680 --> 1:18:59.439 with with a small gun a block, but we try 1:18:59.479 --> 1:19:01.439 to punch above our way. Mm hmmm. 1:19:02.000 --> 1:19:05.960 So if you're in Atlanta, you're looking to get cracking. 1:19:06.080 --> 1:19:09.639 Oh yeah, are you looking to move to Atlanta? Yeah? 1:19:09.880 --> 1:19:12.559 I know some realtors, I know some bankers. I got 1:19:12.560 --> 1:19:14.800 some studios. Let's go. You know what I'm saying, this 1:19:14.840 --> 1:19:19.240 guy right here, you know, absolutely, I get you out 1:19:19.280 --> 1:19:19.640 of here. 1:19:20.000 --> 1:19:23.720 It's like, wait, is that is that a judge? 1:19:24.880 --> 1:19:25.280 You got that? 1:19:25.800 --> 1:19:26.080 You got? 1:19:27.880 --> 1:19:28.479 Shut up? 1:19:29.200 --> 1:19:31.240 Use Atlanta for real? You know we got a more 1:19:31.280 --> 1:19:34.720 speed down baby, what you need you home loans? We 1:19:34.800 --> 1:19:37.720 got the more speed down? What you bankers? 1:19:39.200 --> 1:19:39.840 Super dope? 1:19:39.880 --> 1:19:40.040 Man? 1:19:40.120 --> 1:19:42.800 Yeah? Man, come on, what you got over there? Baby? 1:19:42.840 --> 1:19:59.800 What you got over there? Let's do this. 1:20:05.120 --> 1:20:06.160 I like this, park man. 1:20:06.240 --> 1:20:11.240 This is just we get to get the information from you. Man. 1:20:11.320 --> 1:20:15.840 Let's go. Because a former artist, you are not quite 1:20:15.920 --> 1:20:17.080 close if. 1:20:17.000 --> 1:20:21.040 You were there, former songwriter, I'm gonna say, still. 1:20:20.880 --> 1:20:25.640 Songwriter, wet every songwriter, forever song star and. 1:20:25.840 --> 1:20:32.560 One star executive star publisher, star publisher. 1:20:32.800 --> 1:20:37.519 Yeah, thank you. We like to know who. We want 1:20:37.560 --> 1:20:50.439 to know. You're five your top five. Yeah, I'm taking time. 1:20:51.040 --> 1:20:52.840 Top five. 1:20:55.720 --> 1:21:02.120 You're too five R and B say said R and 1:21:02.240 --> 1:21:09.479 B songs. We got to know before you go, Gere 1:21:09.640 --> 1:21:16.679 on this show. Everybody was to know about your Yes, 1:21:23.240 --> 1:21:25.320 come come on. 1:21:27.360 --> 1:21:31.200 You five. 1:21:35.680 --> 1:21:51.880 Yes, let's do it, babe, Let's go for the tab sir. 1:21:52.040 --> 1:21:56.000 Yeah, your Top five R and B. 1:21:56.080 --> 1:22:02.320 Singers, Top five R and B Singers, Stevie Wonder. Yes, 1:22:03.320 --> 1:22:04.559 if you ever hear all that, if you ever in 1:22:04.560 --> 1:22:07.360 a bad move, just play all I do and it 1:22:07.520 --> 1:22:09.960 just it just bring you back to life. It'll bring 1:22:10.040 --> 1:22:13.559 you back to life. Its just literally will somebody got 1:22:13.600 --> 1:22:16.040 a chance to work with, which which was an amazing thing. 1:22:16.200 --> 1:22:16.839 Was uh. 1:22:17.479 --> 1:22:20.719 I wrote actually number one record called What's Out Without 1:22:20.760 --> 1:22:24.360 You with Charlie Wilson. Comes for your letter? 1:22:26.600 --> 1:22:28.280 You said you wrote that record. 1:22:28.120 --> 1:22:31.000 Me and Lady Stewart Tracy Hall. Yeah, number one, number 1:22:31.000 --> 1:22:34.439 one Adult contemporary. Yeah, if you ever get fired, if 1:22:34.439 --> 1:22:35.760 I get married, I might play it at that one 1:22:36.080 --> 1:22:36.759 might play yeah. 1:22:36.640 --> 1:22:37.320 Play your song. 1:22:37.400 --> 1:22:38.160 Yeah, I might do that. 1:22:38.200 --> 1:22:38.880 I might do that. 1:22:39.200 --> 1:22:44.800 Charlie Wilson. I'm gonna say, Whinney Houston, come on. When 1:22:44.880 --> 1:22:47.160 when you hear Whitney's voice, it's just it's just like 1:22:47.200 --> 1:22:50.559 that the voice that can't be real, voice that can't 1:22:50.560 --> 1:22:53.840 be real. Who else is on that list? 1:22:54.920 --> 1:22:59.439 Joe? Yeah, come on, Yeah, he's one of my favorite people. 1:22:59.479 --> 1:23:01.599 Just don't really, I mean for me, I mean listening 1:23:01.600 --> 1:23:02.479 if you if you get. 1:23:02.360 --> 1:23:05.439 Him going, my car is Joe's a singer, singer. 1:23:05.720 --> 1:23:06.960 Joe is Joe. 1:23:07.000 --> 1:23:07.840 He's a singer. Singer. 1:23:08.400 --> 1:23:13.080 That's four. Five is Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson. His tone, 1:23:13.479 --> 1:23:18.040 energy is feel, it's it's it's here, it's here, it's there, 1:23:18.040 --> 1:23:18.439 it's there. 1:23:18.520 --> 1:23:22.800 It's two people that have been vocal instruments. 1:23:22.479 --> 1:23:26.599 Yeah, and that would be James Brown Jackson. 1:23:26.640 --> 1:23:30.560 Yes, he became instruments. He became instrumentation. 1:23:30.920 --> 1:23:36.920 Absolutely, And Michael Jackson is also one of very few 1:23:37.520 --> 1:23:44.000 who have been a great as a child and as 1:23:44.040 --> 1:23:45.839 an adult as a vocalist. 1:23:46.080 --> 1:23:48.880 Absolutely. Yeah. 1:23:49.040 --> 1:23:52.280 Some would argue he was a better vocalist as a child, yes, 1:23:52.800 --> 1:23:55.160 because he became a stylist as an adult. 1:23:55.720 --> 1:23:58.479 As a child, it's just flat foot vocal you go. 1:24:00.640 --> 1:24:05.720 I know, I'm not, but soon as I finished this 1:24:05.760 --> 1:24:13.640 Caprice Yeah yeah, kulid Hey, yeah, but I know what 1:24:13.680 --> 1:24:16.160 you mean. He was that man, He was that kid, 1:24:16.240 --> 1:24:17.160 and he was that dude. 1:24:17.200 --> 1:24:25.320 He created like, I just think it's very incredible that 1:24:26.000 --> 1:24:30.280 when artists are are able to create a thing that 1:24:30.439 --> 1:24:35.760 is now trademark trademarked without the legal thing. But but 1:24:36.200 --> 1:24:42.240 it's Michael's a trademark. There are certain things Tradek's sonic trademark. 1:24:42.360 --> 1:24:50.400 You pursue that thing like m J ship right now? Yeah, 1:24:50.720 --> 1:24:57.000 is Charlie Wilson, Oh yeah, it is joy k C 1:24:57.360 --> 1:25:01.760 Like m hm, those types of things. Man, I think 1:25:01.760 --> 1:25:07.400 I just yeah, ah, yeah, that's genuine Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:25:07.439 --> 1:25:07.840 that's right. 1:25:08.360 --> 1:25:10.880 Imber Harvey was in the studio like why do you 1:25:10.960 --> 1:25:11.320 do that? 1:25:12.080 --> 1:25:16.240 And genuine thought it was shade and I just do 1:25:16.280 --> 1:25:19.160 my thing And I said, gee, no, No, He's asking 1:25:19.200 --> 1:25:22.360 you genuinely like where does that come from? 1:25:22.600 --> 1:25:24.920 Like he's like he thinks it's dope. 1:25:24.920 --> 1:25:25.439 He said yeah. 1:25:25.479 --> 1:25:29.080 I was like, yeah, Harvey's liked. 1:25:28.479 --> 1:25:28.960 Him do that. 1:25:29.000 --> 1:25:32.120 What's making that do it? How do you just come 1:25:32.200 --> 1:25:32.720 up with that? 1:25:34.000 --> 1:25:36.639 Said, I've been here. He was perplexed since ninety six? 1:25:38.360 --> 1:25:40.840 What is that? Is your tongue in the way of 1:25:41.560 --> 1:25:42.320 what is going on? 1:25:43.320 --> 1:25:45.879 But those things, you know what I'm saying, I've always 1:25:45.960 --> 1:25:47.320 been in search of a thing. 1:25:48.800 --> 1:25:52.120 I don't have the thing. I still everybody else's still well, 1:25:52.200 --> 1:25:57.080 you're a good thing. I steal all their things. You're 1:25:57.080 --> 1:25:58.240 a good thing. Your own. 1:25:58.439 --> 1:26:01.880 Okay, okay, your top five R and B songs. 1:26:02.160 --> 1:26:06.360 I said one, it was all I do. Yeah, it's 1:26:06.400 --> 1:26:09.719 my Sunday music. Can you say it right? Jammy Lewis, 1:26:10.200 --> 1:26:11.880 you know a lot of my things would be Jammy Lewis. 1:26:11.920 --> 1:26:16.200 I know jam I think I know Jimmy, jam and 1:26:16.280 --> 1:26:20.000 Terry Lewi's catalog probably better than anybody else other than them. 1:26:20.200 --> 1:26:24.439 Like I literally studied their catalog. I mean, I am 1:26:24.439 --> 1:26:27.600 a I am a jam of Lewis fanatic. Just that 1:26:27.720 --> 1:26:31.960 anybody who really knows me knows that I genuinely like 1:26:32.200 --> 1:26:34.479 love Jimmy Terry. The other day, Terry Lewis gave me 1:26:34.520 --> 1:26:36.640 a phone number a couple of months ago. I just 1:26:36.640 --> 1:26:38.439 put it my fault. I just I'm never gonna call it. 1:26:39.640 --> 1:26:41.000 But I was like, I just had to have it. 1:26:41.320 --> 1:26:42.160 He gave me his number. 1:26:44.280 --> 1:26:46.559 Cloudy is a day, but cloudy was a day when 1:26:46.560 --> 1:26:49.559 sunshine came into my life and made it brighter. I said, 1:26:49.560 --> 1:26:51.680 that man gave me his phone number, That man who 1:26:51.720 --> 1:26:53.519 wrote that lyric gave me his number, Like you know what, 1:26:53.520 --> 1:26:55.559 I'm saying. You know what I'm saying, because when I 1:26:55.640 --> 1:26:59.439 need somebody, you know what I'm saying, What's what's what's well, what's. 1:26:59.240 --> 1:27:02.040 My somebody who will stand by me? 1:27:03.640 --> 1:27:05.920 Say that's he I got to it's rough, you know 1:27:05.920 --> 1:27:09.360 what I'm saying. Like literally, anyways. 1:27:09.439 --> 1:27:11.800 I look at them, I'm the same way I look 1:27:11.840 --> 1:27:15.479 at them guys, and I'm like, those are the guys 1:27:15.520 --> 1:27:16.080 that did that. 1:27:16.439 --> 1:27:17.080 Guys. 1:27:17.479 --> 1:27:22.200 Those are the like another another, guys who trademarked something. 1:27:23.120 --> 1:27:26.000 Yeah, those are the guys that wrote a sonic. Yeah, 1:27:26.680 --> 1:27:28.320 tell me if you still care, those are the guys 1:27:28.320 --> 1:27:28.879 that wrote. 1:27:28.720 --> 1:27:36.800 On course, come moment, Jesus Christ. When you think about that. 1:27:37.720 --> 1:27:42.400 When you think about when you think about that, it's 1:27:42.560 --> 1:27:46.439 just not No, it's not normal, not normal, it's not normal. 1:27:46.760 --> 1:27:49.960 No what those what those guys are. But yes, can't 1:27:50.040 --> 1:27:55.080 stand the rain. All I do, all I do. I'm 1:27:55.080 --> 1:27:57.519 gonna go back, Charlie Wilson. You feel love? 1:27:57.600 --> 1:28:00.120 Why not feel love? Why not? 1:28:00.360 --> 1:28:03.840 Just it's just a feeling. If you don't want to 1:28:03.840 --> 1:28:10.400 hold somebody, something wrong when that, come on? If you're still. 1:28:12.880 --> 1:28:15.760 Come on, come on minute, if that ain't should do 1:28:15.760 --> 1:28:25.160 that with niggas exactly, we're good, We're good. 1:28:25.960 --> 1:28:30.000 Were good? Uh God, what's what's what's another song? Oh, 1:28:30.439 --> 1:28:34.400 I'm gonna say, Prince, what's my song? Thinking about if 1:28:34.400 --> 1:28:36.880 I was your girlfriend? I'm gonna tell you why that 1:28:36.920 --> 1:28:42.040 man wrote a song about being a girl, but if 1:28:42.080 --> 1:28:45.479 I was from a man's perspective, he said, I want 1:28:45.520 --> 1:28:46.720 to be so close to you that I wish I 1:28:46.800 --> 1:28:49.080 was your girlfriend. M hm. I want you to think 1:28:49.120 --> 1:28:50.720 about what that where he had to go. 1:28:51.040 --> 1:28:51.400 I don't. 1:28:51.479 --> 1:28:53.800 I don't do drugs, but if I did, I would 1:28:53.800 --> 1:28:55.479 hope that I be able to tap in some ship 1:28:55.560 --> 1:28:57.840 like that because he had to go there. To go there, 1:28:57.880 --> 1:29:00.240 he had to switch genders because I want to be 1:29:00.240 --> 1:29:02.040 so close to you that I want to be your girlfriend. 1:29:02.080 --> 1:29:03.599 I mean, come on, could write that? 1:29:03.840 --> 1:29:04.120 Come on? 1:29:04.200 --> 1:29:06.759 You can tell by his pants and. 1:29:06.240 --> 1:29:09.639 You know I'm just saying, but still take but still 1:29:09.640 --> 1:29:10.599 take your chick, you know what I'm saying. 1:29:10.680 --> 1:29:12.479 So at the end of the day, he's got he's 1:29:12.520 --> 1:29:14.240 got perspective. 1:29:14.040 --> 1:29:16.240 That that he had to go to me. 1:29:16.400 --> 1:29:19.080 He's like women talk to him differently. 1:29:19.240 --> 1:29:22.640 Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, yep, yeah they do. 1:29:23.000 --> 1:29:26.479 They're sharing the inner working yes, yeah, with Prince. 1:29:26.800 --> 1:29:30.000 That's why you could write that, you know, what I'm saying. 1:29:30.920 --> 1:29:34.960 Probably lastly, oh would be this is a song. Yeah, 1:29:35.120 --> 1:29:40.240 love Ballad LTD. Come on, Jeffrey, and what we have 1:29:40.960 --> 1:29:42.880 is much more than they can see. Come on what 1:29:43.000 --> 1:29:45.599 we talk about and keep saying it and keep saying, 1:29:46.760 --> 1:29:50.800 just keep saying this much more, come on, come on, 1:29:52.880 --> 1:29:54.760 just keep saying. That is that is that is the 1:29:54.880 --> 1:29:57.840 that is the R and B black love song. You 1:29:57.920 --> 1:30:00.439 can't write a better love song than that. 1:30:01.160 --> 1:30:02.679 Oh my god. Yeah. 1:30:02.760 --> 1:30:05.120 If that don't make you feel, I got something else 1:30:05.160 --> 1:30:07.519 for him, chief something something, something different, fro him man 1:30:08.479 --> 1:30:13.479 for the executive, for the executive, not your top five executives. 1:30:15.720 --> 1:30:21.439 Got you? That's good, that's good, top five executives. I'm 1:30:21.439 --> 1:30:25.200 gonna okay, I'm gonna start like here Jermaine du Prix 1:30:29.200 --> 1:30:33.080 because I know I'm gonna say this because j D 1:30:33.240 --> 1:30:35.160 does not get the love j D. J D's is 1:30:35.800 --> 1:30:37.640 is incredible. I've I've been spending some time with j 1:30:37.720 --> 1:30:39.240 D lately a lot of time just hanging out with 1:30:39.320 --> 1:30:43.840 him sometimes Jamaine. When Jamaine talks to Jamaine's Jamaine don't 1:30:43.880 --> 1:30:46.639 talk enough about himself. So I want to just give 1:30:46.760 --> 1:30:49.760 Jamaine his shot out. Jamaine is incredible Jamaine incredible and 1:30:49.960 --> 1:30:53.160 our producer whatever and genius. JAMAINEA. Pree is one of 1:30:53.200 --> 1:30:57.360 the best and our executives in our in our game. 1:30:58.479 --> 1:31:00.559 I'm gonna give you one another one that people think about. 1:31:01.280 --> 1:31:02.040 Michael Bivens. 1:31:02.479 --> 1:31:06.480 Oh, come on, because SAI yesterday. 1:31:06.720 --> 1:31:16.320 Because if you don't understand he did ABC BBD, just 1:31:16.680 --> 1:31:18.920 stop right there and then and then you go around 1:31:18.920 --> 1:31:22.519 and then you find these four guys from Philly who 1:31:22.600 --> 1:31:26.080 starts selling fourteen fifteen million records like it's nothing. And 1:31:26.960 --> 1:31:30.360 in Boys and Men. I mean, if if there was 1:31:30.400 --> 1:31:33.280 somebody today or whatever you want to say, whoever was 1:31:33.560 --> 1:31:37.800 that founded a group that did ten to fifteen million 1:31:37.840 --> 1:31:41.519 dollars sales, I was more than one billion dollars. That's 1:31:41.520 --> 1:31:43.679 a billion dollars. He's a billionaire in this day and age. 1:31:44.160 --> 1:31:47.960 He's a billionaire. We don't give Michael Bivins the credit 1:31:48.040 --> 1:31:54.160 Michael Bivens deserves. Yes, Michael Bivens. Oh, My number three 1:31:54.160 --> 1:31:57.160 would be Mark Pitts. Come on, you see the tour 1:31:57.240 --> 1:31:59.519 that's I think. I think, I think we got it. 1:31:59.520 --> 1:32:01.280 We gotta we got a salute Mark Pitch. We got 1:32:01.360 --> 1:32:03.599 got to got we gotta get Mark with Mark Pitch 1:32:03.760 --> 1:32:06.360 is done in this game, does not again, does not 1:32:06.400 --> 1:32:09.280 get talked about enough. And he's god level. He is 1:32:09.680 --> 1:32:13.960 executive absolutely man like his layers in the story, like 1:32:14.040 --> 1:32:15.000 that is that is? 1:32:15.040 --> 1:32:19.680 That is different, Chris Brown, come on, Miguel Usher, come 1:32:19.720 --> 1:32:20.439 on different. 1:32:20.600 --> 1:32:24.280 Absolutely, Well, we'll all be chasing. We'll be chasing in 1:32:24.360 --> 1:32:27.400 his shadow. Mark Mark Pitches is incredible and so I 1:32:27.400 --> 1:32:28.960 want to say Mark Pitch is one of my top 1:32:29.000 --> 1:32:32.599 five executives all time. Oh and then I'm gonna say 1:32:32.640 --> 1:32:33.760 I'm gonna say one another one. 1:32:33.960 --> 1:32:38.519 Rested Stewart talk about it my god to me the 1:32:38.560 --> 1:32:43.519 first superstar and are first superstar. Like he's known for 1:32:43.640 --> 1:32:46.200 his music, but he was known for his lifestyle. 1:32:46.840 --> 1:32:50.040 Like niggas was like Shake, Yeah, come on, you know 1:32:50.080 --> 1:32:54.000 what I'm saying. That is new Shake. They knew Shake. 1:32:54.040 --> 1:32:55.599 And you know the thing about Shake, I mean Shak 1:32:55.760 --> 1:32:59.320 was from the Bay. From the Bay. Shake was such 1:32:59.360 --> 1:33:01.880 an important person in my career because he was like, 1:33:02.840 --> 1:33:04.800 as a writer, you know, I'd be going through ship 1:33:04.800 --> 1:33:06.280 SAKEE would always just be like, come on, man, I 1:33:06.320 --> 1:33:06.640 got you. 1:33:06.640 --> 1:33:06.800 You know. 1:33:07.000 --> 1:33:08.240 He said, come to New York, Come fuck with me 1:33:08.280 --> 1:33:10.040 New York. Whenever I was like going through ship as 1:33:10.040 --> 1:33:11.960 a writer. Come fuck with me, come down to Miami, 1:33:12.000 --> 1:33:13.519 come fuck with me. You know what I'm saying. We had, 1:33:13.680 --> 1:33:16.200 we had, we come to Vegas. Shake Shake used to do. 1:33:16.800 --> 1:33:17.120 He was. 1:33:17.400 --> 1:33:20.080 He was truly one of thee Shake would be like 1:33:20.120 --> 1:33:21.920 funk the corporate card. We for the spending, we for 1:33:22.040 --> 1:33:23.680 the methist, corporate card up. We would just have a 1:33:23.720 --> 1:33:27.120 good time. But he knew what you needed, you know 1:33:27.120 --> 1:33:28.879 what I'm saying, And he would do that for everybody. 1:33:29.560 --> 1:33:33.320 That's my guy. The Goat number five is l A. 1:33:33.360 --> 1:33:35.640 Red. That's it. That's it. 1:33:35.720 --> 1:33:40.280 That's that's it, the Goat. He's the He's the greatest. 1:33:41.000 --> 1:33:44.519 He's the outside. I mean, listen, no disrespect to the Clives, 1:33:44.520 --> 1:33:45.960 to armored ear to get into the Barry Gorgers of 1:33:46.000 --> 1:33:48.160 the world. You know what I'm saying. But from my 1:33:48.280 --> 1:33:53.559 generation l A. Re Antonio readers, every genre of me, 1:33:53.720 --> 1:33:56.880 come on, come on, he is he is. He's also 1:33:57.160 --> 1:34:00.680 written and produced it. Absolutely he is it. He is. 1:34:01.200 --> 1:34:04.800 He is, he is, he is, he is the guy man. 1:34:04.920 --> 1:34:06.920 He did it, and I mean we could sit here 1:34:06.920 --> 1:34:08.360 and talk for hours about what he did. I saw 1:34:08.439 --> 1:34:10.000 this episode with y'all, which was great, man, but it's 1:34:10.040 --> 1:34:12.400 like Eli. He's they said he coming back to do 1:34:12.600 --> 1:34:15.080 part two. Come on, he has to. That's not one one. 1:34:15.080 --> 1:34:17.360 It's not enough just to go. So those are my 1:34:17.400 --> 1:34:17.840 top five. 1:34:18.200 --> 1:34:20.000 Good job. I like what you did. 1:34:20.560 --> 1:34:22.800 But what else is there that that that you know 1:34:22.960 --> 1:34:26.040 your your thing? We gotta his his votron, We need that, 1:34:26.120 --> 1:34:26.680 We need that. 1:34:27.120 --> 1:34:30.320 See your votron, buddy, you're super R and B artists. 1:34:30.320 --> 1:34:32.320 We're going to build them. So where you're gonna get 1:34:32.320 --> 1:34:36.400 the vocal from or build her or build something your 1:34:36.479 --> 1:34:40.080 vocal from performance style, styling, passion of the artist, and 1:34:40.160 --> 1:34:45.599 who's going to exect this product, this this artist pro 1:34:47.080 --> 1:34:49.360 where you get the one vocal from for you're super 1:34:49.600 --> 1:34:50.519 super R and B artist. 1:34:50.800 --> 1:34:52.960 I'm gonna get my vocal from Michael because we said 1:34:53.040 --> 1:34:56.120 he can. He had all that, all of it all. 1:34:56.560 --> 1:35:00.400 You ain't gonna explain it, You're right, Michael Jackson performing style. 1:35:00.720 --> 1:35:08.520 I gotta go Beyonce, who yeah, because she wears heels 1:35:09.640 --> 1:35:12.800 and she danced like she wears sneakers, you know what 1:35:12.840 --> 1:35:17.200 I'm saying. And she does it across stadiums, you know 1:35:17.200 --> 1:35:19.240 what I'm saying. And by the way, and I've seen 1:35:19.400 --> 1:35:22.320 many shows, you could you could catch a show in 1:35:22.560 --> 1:35:26.080 LA or you can catch a show at fucking Saint Louis. 1:35:26.560 --> 1:35:29.559 You're gonna get the same energy. She's not gonna cheat 1:35:29.600 --> 1:35:33.040 you out of your expensive dance ticket. You're gonna get. 1:35:33.280 --> 1:35:35.520 You're gonna get your money's worth wherever. 1:35:35.240 --> 1:35:36.120 You see her excellent. 1:35:36.200 --> 1:35:40.360 Yeah, yes, the styling. Listen, man, I'll probably keep it 1:35:40.360 --> 1:35:43.400 the same and the keeping the same household. I love hope. 1:35:44.280 --> 1:35:44.960 You know what I'm saying. 1:35:45.040 --> 1:35:48.439 I love I love you know the man. The man 1:35:48.560 --> 1:35:50.280 is decides to wake up and say I'm about to 1:35:50.320 --> 1:35:52.880 go do Yankee Stadium, and everybody want to be there 1:35:53.439 --> 1:35:56.120 and no one's gonna miss it because it's it's his aura, 1:35:56.640 --> 1:36:00.160 and we're all gonna be there. It's clothes, absolutely, it's 1:36:00.200 --> 1:36:07.320 it's it's it's an essence. J gonna bring out CEO's hood, niggas, models, 1:36:08.160 --> 1:36:10.800 everybody gonna be at a Jay show and you want 1:36:10.800 --> 1:36:13.040 to be there, and you want to say I was there. Yeah, 1:36:13.160 --> 1:36:15.160 I'll be at Ruth's picnic, I'll be in Yankee Stadium. 1:36:15.200 --> 1:36:18.920 Might be there at all. Listen, I got I had 1:36:18.960 --> 1:36:20.800 a bunch of rock away in my time there. You got, 1:36:21.479 --> 1:36:23.439 But even from a style perspective. He just he's just 1:36:23.479 --> 1:36:24.040 that dude to. 1:36:24.000 --> 1:36:26.720 Me telling you, I had a rock a bunch of 1:36:27.520 --> 1:36:30.360 his sister gave me a bunch of and I loved it. 1:36:31.439 --> 1:36:32.719 The passion of the artist. 1:36:33.360 --> 1:36:39.000 Chris Brown, Man, he really don't getting more passionate, really 1:36:39.160 --> 1:36:45.400 don't get more passionate, and than the three Browns, James Brown, 1:36:45.880 --> 1:36:49.200 Bobby Brown, Christy come on something. 1:36:49.880 --> 1:36:53.280 Something something in the brown I find me young this 1:36:53.439 --> 1:36:57.120 last day is Brown. I'm like, yeah, it's gonna be 1:36:57.120 --> 1:37:00.439 some young nigga. Yeah, it's something brown out. 1:37:00.720 --> 1:37:01.959 But you better be passionate. 1:37:01.960 --> 1:37:04.599 We're going to time when we getting done because because 1:37:05.720 --> 1:37:06.280 get to deal with that. 1:37:06.920 --> 1:37:09.920 I like it in quick. That man man perform for 1:37:09.960 --> 1:37:12.680 three hours. Yeah, they stop, he's not playing, and then 1:37:12.840 --> 1:37:15.200 want to just sitio. Ain't gonna, ain't gonna go to the club, 1:37:15.360 --> 1:37:17.320 absolutely like what what? 1:37:17.320 --> 1:37:20.160 What? All in the same night, same night, and he's gonna 1:37:20.160 --> 1:37:23.280 plays eighty records in the same night they already did 1:37:23.320 --> 1:37:27.320 and didn't do another movie treatments for all of them 1:37:27.640 --> 1:37:30.200 in the same night, and then do it again the 1:37:30.280 --> 1:37:32.720 same the next night. Yes, and then paint the side 1:37:32.720 --> 1:37:36.479 of his bus all in the same night. Come on, man, Yeah, 1:37:36.720 --> 1:37:39.040 twenty four hours are not the same, and everyone. 1:37:38.680 --> 1:37:42.880 Else we don't get themselves. Oh yeah, no, that to 1:37:42.920 --> 1:37:45.760 what's gonna be crazy by the I'm not an usher too. Yeah, 1:37:46.120 --> 1:37:47.439 we will absolutely be there. 1:37:47.600 --> 1:37:48.360 Who's he paying this? 1:37:50.080 --> 1:37:56.880 Who's he paying this? I'd like to do it. I'd 1:37:57.000 --> 1:37:59.640 like to do it. Let me get it, let me 1:37:59.680 --> 1:38:03.080 get it the beginning. You know what I'm gonna do, 1:38:03.120 --> 1:38:08.160 and I'll bring it into the budget slightly. You might 1:38:08.200 --> 1:38:10.200 have to for forecast a little bit, but I got it. 1:38:10.960 --> 1:38:15.200 Talk that executive talk for a good call. Absolutely. 1:38:15.880 --> 1:38:16.080 See. 1:38:16.960 --> 1:38:22.639 Yeah, I ain't saying no nick. 1:38:23.120 --> 1:38:25.960 I ain't saying no nicks. I ain't saying no names. 1:38:26.240 --> 1:38:27.320 I ain't saying no name. 1:38:30.439 --> 1:38:37.400 What you did, don't say she, I ain't saying no names. 1:38:44.439 --> 1:38:47.920 Yeah, appreciate you'all, My brothers. We at the very important 1:38:47.920 --> 1:38:50.000 part of the show. Brother talk to her. Will you 1:38:50.040 --> 1:38:50.759 tell us a story? 1:38:51.800 --> 1:38:56.040 Funny? You're fucked up? Are funny and fucked up? The 1:38:56.080 --> 1:38:59.280 only rule to the game, tap can't say no name. 1:39:00.560 --> 1:39:03.840 You already tells us about you getting fired. Oh that 1:39:03.960 --> 1:39:07.320 was a fun up story. That was then it happened. 1:39:07.400 --> 1:39:08.000 That happens. 1:39:08.040 --> 1:39:11.120 Part of the story though funny and fucked up? Are 1:39:11.160 --> 1:39:15.400 funny and fucked up or just sucked it? Mm hmm, Man, 1:39:15.400 --> 1:39:16.120 I got so many. 1:39:16.360 --> 1:39:20.440 I'm sure it comes along with the pivot. 1:39:20.200 --> 1:39:23.080 Absolutely, you know. And I ain't got no n DA here, 1:39:23.080 --> 1:39:26.120 so I gotta be careful. So let's see funny fucked up. 1:39:26.520 --> 1:39:33.040 This particular person got caught stealing and I was like, 1:39:33.080 --> 1:39:36.320 what are you doing stealing? And it was young, a 1:39:36.320 --> 1:39:40.559 young person, and he called me and said, hey, I 1:39:40.600 --> 1:39:43.880 need you to come tell these people that you're mine. 1:39:44.240 --> 1:39:45.720 What was what you say? I need you to tell 1:39:45.760 --> 1:39:48.920 them that you're like my fucking guardian. I'm like wow. 1:39:50.160 --> 1:39:55.639 I said, okay, I guess and okay, if it's gonna work, 1:39:55.680 --> 1:39:58.720 i'll do it. Yeah, And I said, okay, cool, y'all, Hey, 1:39:58.720 --> 1:40:02.760 i'm his guardian. He was at a music store. It's 1:40:03.120 --> 1:40:05.519 dated myself right there because we don't have those, and 1:40:06.920 --> 1:40:11.280 so I was stealing CDs and I was like, all right, yeah. 1:40:11.080 --> 1:40:11.839 I'm his guardian. 1:40:12.680 --> 1:40:17.880 That's okay, cool, let them go. And then when I 1:40:17.920 --> 1:40:20.920 saw this person where this person lived, and I'm like, 1:40:22.520 --> 1:40:28.280 how are you stealing CDs? And you live here? Ain't 1:40:28.320 --> 1:40:32.360 none of us had none? This this is your house? Yeah, 1:40:32.640 --> 1:40:34.920 and you was trying to steal some CDs and you 1:40:35.000 --> 1:40:37.720 live here. Yeah, that's what it is. I'll leave it there. 1:40:37.840 --> 1:40:40.600 Some people like to find me and I was like, 1:40:41.680 --> 1:40:46.439 this is your house. Yeah, and you were stealing the CDs. 1:40:47.080 --> 1:40:50.560 That's what got the rush. Yeah, yeah, look at it. 1:40:50.600 --> 1:40:51.320 I guess. 1:40:52.640 --> 1:40:54.559 That person's going to hear this story. He's gonna laugh 1:40:54.640 --> 1:40:56.439 and he's gonna text me and be like, oh my god, 1:40:56.439 --> 1:40:58.479 that's hilarious. Yeah, he probably forgot it. But yeah, I 1:40:58.520 --> 1:41:01.040 remember that one you with the Guardian. I was the 1:41:01.080 --> 1:41:05.479 guardian hilarious and they believed it. And I was like, wow, okay, 1:41:06.000 --> 1:41:07.240 y'all off anything. 1:41:07.240 --> 1:41:10.479 Elder doctor tab Yes, sir. We appreciate you, brother, I 1:41:10.520 --> 1:41:11.360 appreciate y'all. 1:41:11.400 --> 1:41:14.960 Thank you, bro. We appreciate your overdue. 1:41:14.800 --> 1:41:16.400 Talk about doing this for a minute, and I'm glad 1:41:16.400 --> 1:41:18.360 we finally did it. We waited till we had a 1:41:18.400 --> 1:41:19.080 number one together. 1:41:19.400 --> 1:41:20.360 Yeah, there it is. 1:41:20.560 --> 1:41:21.519 Now we have a reason to do it. 1:41:21.560 --> 1:41:24.080 You've done a lot of great work, brow you continue 1:41:24.120 --> 1:41:28.840 to do great work, man, and we just appreciate you, brother. 1:41:28.920 --> 1:41:32.880 Thank you for having the friendship, the brotherhood, the business, 1:41:32.960 --> 1:41:33.400 all of it. 1:41:33.560 --> 1:41:35.360 And I thank y'all for what y'all do for army music. 1:41:35.680 --> 1:41:38.639 It's important, sir. You you keep it alive, you keep 1:41:38.640 --> 1:41:41.040 it at the forefront. Now y'all make it cool, y'all 1:41:41.080 --> 1:41:43.440 and now everybody that we were back armies. 1:41:43.160 --> 1:41:46.120 Back right kicking that taking good thing. 1:41:46.000 --> 1:41:47.960 To do it. So I appreciate what y'all do this 1:41:48.200 --> 1:41:50.439 for the genre. You know what I'm saying. It's important. 1:41:50.920 --> 1:41:53.840 And yeah, because when y'all started this, it wasn't always 1:41:53.840 --> 1:41:55.080 you know what I'm saying. We was We was coming 1:41:55.120 --> 1:41:57.240 out of some things. People you know, they weren't. They 1:41:57.240 --> 1:41:58.800 weren't too keen on what he was always doing. 1:41:59.640 --> 1:42:00.439 And we go R and B. 1:42:00.520 --> 1:42:01.280 So glad y'all doing. 1:42:02.840 --> 1:42:04.360 Appreciate, ladies and gentlemen. 1:42:04.400 --> 1:42:07.360 My name is Tank Valentine and this is the R 1:42:07.400 --> 1:42:11.760 and B Money Podcast, the authority on all things R 1:42:11.840 --> 1:42:16.479 and B. And this is a man who is all things. 1:42:18.200 --> 1:42:24.439 Brother star E said Cliff, It's not that