Speaker 1: Field touchdown, Miami Run. What is up, Dolph Fans And
Speaker 1: welcome to the Drivetime Podcast, part of the Miami Dolphins
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Speaker 1: going everybody? I am your host, Travis Winkfield. And on
Speaker 1: today's show, the draft Preview continues. We're talking to John
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Speaker 1: He's gonna break it down into tears. Tell us who
Speaker 1: the best fits in this defense are. The heaviest hands,
Speaker 1: best lateral agility for stunting in games, best day to value,
Speaker 1: the prototype for playing edge in this defense, all of
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Speaker 1: He is John Ledyard. John from one New Florida Man
Speaker 1: to another New Florida man. Welcome in, Thanks man, I've
Speaker 1: forgot about that. We're both kind of new to the
Speaker 1: lay of the land down here. Man. It is sweet.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I'm in the Tampa Bay area obviously,
Speaker 1: but I can't get enough for right now. Man. I mean,
Speaker 1: I honestly don't know if I'm ever gonna be able
Speaker 1: to convince my wife to leave, and I'm not sure
Speaker 1: i'd ever want to at this point. It's it's a
Speaker 1: great place to live Saturdays before home games when there's well,
Speaker 1: this year I didn't travel, but Saturday's before home games
Speaker 1: are sacred in the NFL because you don't, you know,
Speaker 1: you have that time off to yourself. I would go
Speaker 1: to my pool like around Thanksgiving time and just floating
Speaker 1: for like three hours. I'm like, I can't get enough
Speaker 1: of this. This is like you said, never going back
Speaker 1: to the Pacific Northwest again, because we have like three
Speaker 1: months where I can swim, and now I've got basically
Speaker 1: twelve months where I can get in the pool and
Speaker 1: get my tan on and and all that stuff I
Speaker 1: didn't want to ask you. Is there like one Florida man,
Speaker 1: thing you've seen so far that blew your mind? Because
Speaker 1: I had one early on in my in my time
Speaker 1: down there, I'm wondering what yours might be. I mean,
Speaker 1: one thing is just the roads like blow my mind.
Speaker 1: I cannot believe how just much of a free for
Speaker 1: all it is. I mean, first of all, you never
Speaker 1: see anybody pulled over. Everybody speeds, which everybody speeds and
Speaker 1: p A two where I'm from originally, but here it's
Speaker 1: like there's there's hardly any speed limit signs like a
Speaker 1: p A you got one all over the place. You've
Speaker 1: got speed limit signs everywhere in Florida. You have them
Speaker 1: so spaced out you don't even if you didn't see
Speaker 1: one early. You don't know what speed limit is half
Speaker 1: the time. And most people drive like it. They never
Speaker 1: get in trouble. There's like no intersections or the inter
Speaker 1: I mean sorry, there's intersections. There's no lights at the
Speaker 1: intersections for I mean, so people are literally pulling out
Speaker 1: between the intersections and and just turning whatever they can.
Speaker 1: It's just a mad house on the road. Sometimes even
Speaker 1: when traffic isn't bad. The lack of rules and structure
Speaker 1: is like very Florida man asked to me. Even if
Speaker 1: it isn't center around one individual, it's it's funny it's
Speaker 1: out east because it really is the wild wild West,
Speaker 1: like I call it, wacky races out there. It's basically
Speaker 1: just gun it and pray and see what happens. Because
Speaker 1: turn signals are completely optional down there. I'm back home
Speaker 1: in the Northwest right now, but down in Florida they
Speaker 1: are optional and you just kind of go with it
Speaker 1: and see what happens. And I got hit by someone
Speaker 1: got ranted my first month down there. So welcome to Florida, man.
Speaker 1: I'm we're glad to have you in the state couple
Speaker 1: hours up north. And the reason you are in Florida
Speaker 1: is because you're covering a Super Bowl champion last year.
Speaker 1: What was that like, man, covering a team that went
Speaker 1: all the way and you had the good press box
Speaker 1: flex post on Twitter showing the picture from the press box.
Speaker 1: How was the season covering a Super Bowl team for you?
Speaker 1: It was awesome? Um, for a lot of reasons. Really.
Speaker 1: I covered the Steelers for years and although obviously I
Speaker 1: always love the Steelers and I enjoyed my time covering them.
Speaker 1: It is a lot there are a lot more difficult
Speaker 1: to cover. There was, just there's not the same transparency.
Speaker 1: You know, there's very much this hierarchy in the media realm,
Speaker 1: but also from the team to the media, there's not
Speaker 1: this you know, relationship and it doesn't mean like everything
Speaker 1: we say is in support of the team or anything
Speaker 1: like that. But there's just for so little drama in
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay. And I love that, you know, I love
Speaker 1: the cohesiveness of the media all working together um on
Speaker 1: and just being part of that where you don't feel like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're younger. You know, I'm thirty one now, but you're younger,
Speaker 1: and like you know, you're not you have to do this,
Speaker 1: this and this before we accept the fact that you're
Speaker 1: part of me. Like just to know you're stepping into
Speaker 1: a realm where this team wants to be covered and
Speaker 1: they want a relationship with the media, and they want
Speaker 1: to keep that relationship you know, open door, and and
Speaker 1: they want to keep it in and kind of a
Speaker 1: good place. Not so much that we just write positive
Speaker 1: things about them, because all right, negative stuff too, but
Speaker 1: it's just like that this is not this like superiority
Speaker 1: complex like there is with some other organizations that admittedly
Speaker 1: probably of reason to be on the high horse a
Speaker 1: little bit like Pittsburghi's want lot over the years. So
Speaker 1: that was a fun part of it for me personally,
Speaker 1: but also just covering a great team. I mean to
Speaker 1: watch the transformations that happened. I started in February of
Speaker 1: last year, and Tom Brady was signed like a month later,
Speaker 1: a month and a half later. From after I got
Speaker 1: I was brown Board, and then it was Gronkowski and
Speaker 1: just kind of this whole run of of moves during
Speaker 1: the year, and then this amazing season that was kind
Speaker 1: of up and down a little bit, and then they
Speaker 1: got hot at the end and you knew something special
Speaker 1: could be happening once they started winning in the playoffs
Speaker 1: a little bit, and it was. It was a blast
Speaker 1: to be a part of it. Rarely comes together like
Speaker 1: that that quickly, and so to be a part of
Speaker 1: something like that and to be able to be down here.
Speaker 1: We actually moved down to Tampa Bay during their bye week.
Speaker 1: Remember they haven't lost since that point, so we are
Speaker 1: eight now down here. I've been to three I think
Speaker 1: I covered three or four games live at the stadium
Speaker 1: this year and they want all of them obviously Banana,
Speaker 1: So a lot of pressure on us going into next
Speaker 1: year for sure to keep the streak intact. But right
Speaker 1: now they've all been victory Mondays for the Ledgards in
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay. Yeah, I had, uh Tampa Bay. Trey his
Speaker 1: you know, the same name. He was in the podcast
Speaker 1: earlier this week and and he was I talked to
Speaker 1: him about rooting for a team that won the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: and I told him, you know, I'll be in the
Speaker 1: press box for these Dolphins games. I had a joke
Speaker 1: for a long time that the Dolphins had this program
Speaker 1: where people that wrote for for fans sides could come
Speaker 1: down and cover a couple of games every year, and
Speaker 1: I took advantage of that, and I was I think
Speaker 1: four know at one point in the press box, and
Speaker 1: I was telling Trey one of those games was the
Speaker 1: Miami Miracle, where I couldn't contain it. And I told him,
Speaker 1: if it's a Super Bowl that I'm covering, there's no
Speaker 1: chance I'm gonna be able to follow the press box rule.
Speaker 1: So we will see how that goes. But you mentioned,
Speaker 1: you know, the Bucks last year gave you basically twelve
Speaker 1: months of great content because you signed a player that's
Speaker 1: good content for you have the draft that's obviously great content.
Speaker 1: We saw that here in Miami as well. Boy was
Speaker 1: I busy last offseason with all those free agent acquisitions
Speaker 1: and all those draft picks. And that's where we have
Speaker 1: you on here for this podcast today, John, to talk
Speaker 1: about another position going into this draft that could be
Speaker 1: an area of focus for those Dolphins team, the defensive line,
Speaker 1: particularly at the edge position. You and I spoke offline
Speaker 1: that they loaded up on the interior defensive line and
Speaker 1: have some guys that play a little bit of that
Speaker 1: big heavy edge like you had mentioned to me offline.
Speaker 1: Fans haven't heard that yet. But that's not out here
Speaker 1: nor there. But I do want to get into this
Speaker 1: edge position and maybe just first before we get to
Speaker 1: the Dolphins aspect, establish a baseline for when you're looking
Speaker 1: at edge players on tape, like what is a trait
Speaker 1: or two that you have to see for you to
Speaker 1: get excited about that player? For me, I always start
Speaker 1: with pass rush because if you and that might be
Speaker 1: a little different actually than where Miami starts, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know that they all you know, with all other
Speaker 1: guys that they start there, and that's fine, But for me,
Speaker 1: it's always I start with pass rush. Should I say
Speaker 1: to myself, I look at four pillars. I call them
Speaker 1: the four pillars of pass rush athleticism because I'm a nerd,
Speaker 1: and I call it starts with burst off the ball
Speaker 1: your first two steps. Can you get off the ball quickly,
Speaker 1: timely fashion? And can you do it on a consistent basis?
Speaker 1: Could be snap timing. I don't really care as long
Speaker 1: as you're off the ball quickly and you can do
Speaker 1: it consistently. And so are you explosive? Basically? Are you fast?
Speaker 1: You carry that speed up the arc? Doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be fast over forty yards, but over yeah, that five
Speaker 1: to ten yards that you need to cover. Can you
Speaker 1: maintain your speed? And then can you go to the
Speaker 1: third pillar of athleticism for pass rushers is bend flexibility?
Speaker 1: Can you carry that speed around the outside hip of
Speaker 1: the offensive tackle? And then the last one will be
Speaker 1: change the direction, just because I think you have to
Speaker 1: be able to then alter off of that path. So
Speaker 1: the primary path for pass rushers where I want to
Speaker 1: see them win is around the outside hip of the
Speaker 1: offensive tackle. If you can do that it sets up
Speaker 1: your speed to power game, it sets up your speed
Speaker 1: counter game, and your ability to get inside guys sets
Speaker 1: up the rest of the arsenal as a pass rusher.
Speaker 1: But I gotta know that you can do that burst
Speaker 1: off the ball, speed up the arc, bend and flexibility
Speaker 1: at the top of the arc, and then change the direction.
Speaker 1: Which of those traits are you strong and or you're
Speaker 1: strong and all of them, You're probably gonna be a
Speaker 1: really good prospect. If you're only strong and one of
Speaker 1: them can do. What other things do you have in
Speaker 1: your game to make it work? And you still make
Speaker 1: it work with that skill set. If you're explosive but
Speaker 1: you can't band, well that's good, that's okay. You can
Speaker 1: still wins speed to power, You can definitely counter inside
Speaker 1: because you still threaten up the arc even if you're
Speaker 1: not the bendiest dude. So explosiveness is the most important
Speaker 1: thing because of that. If you're bendy but not explosive,
Speaker 1: it's a little bit harder because you're not going to
Speaker 1: be at the edge and be at that point where
Speaker 1: you need to bend very often unless a guy is
Speaker 1: a bad pass set. So it really kind of depends
Speaker 1: on what traits you offer and then how well you
Speaker 1: can work around them with the additional skills that you
Speaker 1: might have as a rusher. Well, I'm glad you mentioned
Speaker 1: the Dolphins might have some different preferences in terms of
Speaker 1: the type of player they look at. And that's I'm
Speaker 1: sure it can be, you know, accounted four across all
Speaker 1: thirty two organizations. But we've seen this defense and I've
Speaker 1: talked about on the podcast many many times. You know,
Speaker 1: William McGinnis, you know, left the Patriots and his prime
Speaker 1: Richard Seymour left the Patriots and his prime Chandler Jones,
Speaker 1: Trey Flowers went to the Lions and free agency. They
Speaker 1: just didn't always place that priority on the guy that
Speaker 1: could consistently win the one on one pass rush situations.
Speaker 1: And we saw last year list offense defense created pressure
Speaker 1: through the scheme en route to a top ten sack defense,
Speaker 1: the number one takeaway defense, number one third down defense,
Speaker 1: and number six scoring defense in the National Football League.
Speaker 1: And to continue that, John, in terms of what the
Speaker 1: Dolphins defense does, I mean, they loaded up on the
Speaker 1: defensive tackle position. You know, Zack Steeler and Christian Wilkins
Speaker 1: can both play some of that heavy end uh in
Speaker 1: this defense, Adam Butler has that explosive explosiveness on the
Speaker 1: interior off the line you talked about shack loss and
Speaker 1: gets traded to Houston. Emmanuel Ogbas still here and we
Speaker 1: had him on a podcast a while back talking about
Speaker 1: some of the things that you just mentioned with the
Speaker 1: pass rush game. And so this is a defense that
Speaker 1: calls a lot of dime defense. It's very linebacker influenced
Speaker 1: and guys that can play multiple spots. So when you
Speaker 1: think about that, how much different do you view this
Speaker 1: class in terms of guys that might fit the mold
Speaker 1: of the big heavy edge, the guy with the heavy hands,
Speaker 1: the guy that maybe can condense inside but also maybe
Speaker 1: work outside stand up as a linebacker. Is this a
Speaker 1: good class? But the versatile multiple guys like that that
Speaker 1: Miami might covet actually is a pretty good class for that,
Speaker 1: especially because when you're talking about Miami, just with what
Speaker 1: you described the Sills, skill sets that Miami typically looks
Speaker 1: for are often not They don't have to be first
Speaker 1: round guys for them to be interested in. In fact,
Speaker 1: I would say that they're probably less likely to take
Speaker 1: those types of players earlier than some other teams maybe
Speaker 1: that rely on pass rush, for formative pass rush or
Speaker 1: things like that to get home, where individuals guys that
Speaker 1: can win one on one teams that really rely on that,
Speaker 1: they're going to prioritize those positions early, whereas Miami they
Speaker 1: can wait kind of get in the sweet spot right
Speaker 1: and like get guys who other people might not have
Speaker 1: that high on the board but fit exactly what Miami
Speaker 1: wants to do. And So there are players like that
Speaker 1: in this class, both in my edge rankings but also
Speaker 1: in my interior defensive line rankings that are kind of
Speaker 1: like hybrid types of players or could be hybrid types
Speaker 1: of players. I'll mention two of them quickly in terms
Speaker 1: of the heavy edge type of role. One of them
Speaker 1: is Peyton Turner from Houston, who actually just worked out
Speaker 1: on Friday at his pro day. Had an unbelievable workout.
Speaker 1: He's too almost two seventy pounds, is over thirty five
Speaker 1: inch arms, and he still managed to get a six
Speaker 1: seven three cone, which three cone just denotes bend and flexibility.
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the most important um it's
Speaker 1: one of the most important workout results for edge defenders
Speaker 1: because it directly translates to tape, right, can you turn
Speaker 1: in space basically like that? UM like that you have
Speaker 1: to do running a loop or things like that. So
Speaker 1: UM so I love that, um that he's able to
Speaker 1: bring those things to the table. You see him on
Speaker 1: tape too, very physical, very violent. He does play with
Speaker 1: a little bit of high pads. He's not quite as
Speaker 1: technically clean as you might see some guys that that
Speaker 1: that those Patriots style defenses. You know that the that
Speaker 1: Belichick umbrella has kind of prioritized over the years. But
Speaker 1: he is very violent and he's very physical. And the
Speaker 1: other unique thing about him, as he's played inside of
Speaker 1: Houston early on in his career, still kicks inside occasionally
Speaker 1: for Houston, but he plays from a two point stance
Speaker 1: and a three point stance outside the tackle, which is
Speaker 1: kind of another thing for a guy his size. You've
Speaker 1: even seen him drop a little bit, not a ton,
Speaker 1: but a little bit, and I think he's way more
Speaker 1: explosive from a three point stance. But if you can
Speaker 1: correct his balance and some of his things pre snap,
Speaker 1: he's just kind of like leaning all over the place
Speaker 1: a little bit, kind of very Marcus Davenport like, if
Speaker 1: you remember Davenport from a few years ago. It just
Speaker 1: couldn't get quite comfortable, like ants and his pants before
Speaker 1: the stat from a two point stance, but from a
Speaker 1: three point stance with his hand down. He's really explosive.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that people have talked enough about
Speaker 1: how quick he is off the ball because a lot
Speaker 1: of time he's in that two point stand. So he's
Speaker 1: one of those players you can just do a lot
Speaker 1: of different stuff with him. I think he could play
Speaker 1: the heavy edge, but also late in games if you
Speaker 1: needed a pass rusher, if you needed a guy to
Speaker 1: kick inside, if you need another guy on the edge,
Speaker 1: and you were just looking at who's my two best
Speaker 1: pass rushers, I just need them right now. Scheme scheme
Speaker 1: be damned like, I don't care about that right now.
Speaker 1: I just want my two best pass rushers. He's able
Speaker 1: to be on the field in those situations too, so
Speaker 1: fun guy that gives you a little bit of everything.
Speaker 1: I think it could be a fit the other guys also.
Speaker 1: Digazoola from u c L A more of an interior
Speaker 1: player at u c L. A played four, I played three,
Speaker 1: played zero, played one. I mean all over the place
Speaker 1: and there, Yes, you'd see him outside the tackle at
Speaker 1: times too. Tested pretty well to inter and eighty two pounds,
Speaker 1: so he is definitely more in the heavy edge and
Speaker 1: could kick inside type of role for a team, but
Speaker 1: definitely a fit for that style defense. I think another guy,
Speaker 1: like you said, they don't prioritize a second contract, so
Speaker 1: like if Manuel Aga goes out the door, eventually it's
Speaker 1: some point and you know, OsO dig A Zoo is
Speaker 1: a guy that could back him up and then eventually
Speaker 1: replaced him at some point whenever if he would ever
Speaker 1: move on. And so those are kind of a couple
Speaker 1: of guys that I would say that I would have
Speaker 1: my eye on that I think could be good fits
Speaker 1: for the Dolphins at the edge spot slash interior spot.
Speaker 1: Those are great points. And I'm glad you mentioned Peyton
Speaker 1: Turner because he gives me two kind of avenues to
Speaker 1: do kind of follow up questions with you here and one,
Speaker 1: I'm curious how you evaluate a player that maybe you
Speaker 1: think could have been used differently. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that Peyton Turner wasn't used correctly Houston, but it reminds
Speaker 1: me of at Oliver back at Houston when folks were
Speaker 1: not thrilled about the fact that he was maybe rushing
Speaker 1: from the zero technique. Sometimes, like when you're on a
Speaker 1: third down call on defense and he's at the zero technique,
Speaker 1: maybe they kind of limits his ability there. I know
Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah thinks that Quitty Pays usage was awful at
Speaker 1: Chigan this year. When you consider watching college tape and
Speaker 1: how these guys are used, how much do you have
Speaker 1: to kind of separate the usage what he can do
Speaker 1: compared to what he actually produced and what he did
Speaker 1: do in college. Yeah, really tough, really difficult. I'm completely
Speaker 1: with Daniel Jeremiah on Quety Pay. He was his usage
Speaker 1: just really bad, and it's kept me. I said this
Speaker 1: on a show the other day that I said to
Speaker 1: the host, I don't know whether Quiti Pay is good
Speaker 1: or not. I watched a lot of games of him
Speaker 1: of the last two years, and I am really not sure.
Speaker 1: You know what he can be um And yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a good example of they try to do just way
Speaker 1: too much for them too soon. So it depends on
Speaker 1: the issue too. Like so with with Quity Pay, they're
Speaker 1: trying to play him inside, they're playing him head up
Speaker 1: on the tackle, they're asking him to playing a square stance,
Speaker 1: which was an issue with that Oliver two. So you
Speaker 1: don't always get the most explosiveness you can get from him. Um.
Speaker 1: So that's very much a usage thing with with a
Speaker 1: guy like Payton Turner, it's like, Okay, I think he
Speaker 1: can do all these different things. I'm not sure it's
Speaker 1: techniques quite where it needs to be to do all
Speaker 1: these different things. But I get I get why they're
Speaker 1: trying to to do all these different things with him
Speaker 1: because he might have that versatility the NFL, where somebody
Speaker 1: like pay he just might be an edge rusher, like
Speaker 1: that's it, and they're trying to do all this different
Speaker 1: stuff with them, and it just didn't make sense. It
Speaker 1: wasn't wasn't his skill set, wasn't who he was as
Speaker 1: a player. So you do have to look past that sometimes. Um.
Speaker 1: I also think it's an excuse sometimes for value, and
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, I hate the way they use them,
Speaker 1: but I love the fact that he tested well, um
Speaker 1: and he looks great on the hoof, so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give him a high grade. Well, usually, even if you're
Speaker 1: used not quite to the best of your ability, you
Speaker 1: can produce. And so that's where production does matter and
Speaker 1: does come in for these edge defenders, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that a little bit. And when we
Speaker 1: get to more of the speed rushing type that could
Speaker 1: also play maybe off the ball, a Calvinnoy type player.
Speaker 1: But that that the production matters, and what you did
Speaker 1: on the edge in terms of production in college matters too.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you figure out where you want to plant
Speaker 1: your flags on outliers and things like that. But I
Speaker 1: really do think it starts with looking at those traits.
Speaker 1: If you have those traits, that's a great place to start.
Speaker 1: If you have those pastors athleticism pillars, that's a great
Speaker 1: place to start. If you didn't produce in college, I
Speaker 1: need to figure out why you didn't. Especially if you
Speaker 1: have those traits and then you didn't produce in college,
Speaker 1: why was that the case? Um That gets tricky for
Speaker 1: an evaluator, I think, but that's where I starts looking
Speaker 1: for those really important traits at the position. So Peyton,
Speaker 1: Turner Quitty Pay we cover the idea of if you
Speaker 1: didn't produce in college, what can you do in the pros?
Speaker 1: That reminds me of Jason away from Penn State. So
Speaker 1: I want to get your kind of tier ranking here
Speaker 1: with all these guys and include you know, Jalen Phillips,
Speaker 1: greg Or so all these guys. I want to hear
Speaker 1: you know, how you rank them by tier? Like who
Speaker 1: falls into your first tier of guys that you feel
Speaker 1: comfortable in the first round of these edge players? And
Speaker 1: where does that drop off a curb where it's like, well,
Speaker 1: maybe we circle back because there's more value at another
Speaker 1: position and we can come back in round two or
Speaker 1: three and scoop up someone later on. Like, where's the
Speaker 1: tier ranking for you at the edge position. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: definitely Jalen Phillips at the top and an edge tier
Speaker 1: by himself. Now, I only rank based on ability on tape,
Speaker 1: athletic testing, and production, you know, I only that's the
Speaker 1: only things I used to buy it. So injuries, I'm
Speaker 1: not a dog. He has had injury histories in his past.
Speaker 1: I don't know they didn't affect him his past season
Speaker 1: he played as far as I know, anyway, I don't.
Speaker 1: I just don't know the details. I don't know how
Speaker 1: many concussions he said, how serious they are. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know, I think it's the three that are recorded. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know there is risk how you
Speaker 1: know U c l A. They were like, oh, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you can play with this risk. That's
Speaker 1: what I've heard. And then he goes to Miami. He's dominant.
Speaker 1: So I I don't know. It's hard for me to
Speaker 1: speak to all that because I just don't know the situation.
Speaker 1: So I don't really talk about injuries, and I don't
Speaker 1: really do the character thing either. There's some questions there
Speaker 1: with Phillips. Teams will have to vet all that stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't know where he's at right now, so I
Speaker 1: don't know the kid well enough to save to those things.
Speaker 1: But I do know on tape he's clearly the dominant
Speaker 1: number one AD dresher in this class. I don't think
Speaker 1: anyone else belongs in his tier in this class on tape.
Speaker 1: On the field, uh, and athletic testing too, he was
Speaker 1: he was terrific. There's some other really athletic guys that
Speaker 1: next bucket you have really are kind of there's four
Speaker 1: upside guys really, and then there's one in Peyton Turners
Speaker 1: be will be the one guy who I who I
Speaker 1: was curious what is Seal was now that I've seen
Speaker 1: his athletic testing. I've got to go back to my
Speaker 1: grading scale and actually decide where he's gonna be. Right now,
Speaker 1: he's my edge five, but there's a chance that I
Speaker 1: can move him up my board for me, and that
Speaker 1: second tier would be Ogillary from Georgia, Away from Penn State,
Speaker 1: Pay from Michigan, Turner from Houston, and then Joseph Asai
Speaker 1: from Texas, who, by the way, as somebody will probably
Speaker 1: come back to in that galvanoid type of role you
Speaker 1: mentioned Jason Away to both pretty good fits, but those
Speaker 1: guys all are like really exciting athletes. Will Away and
Speaker 1: pay an Osai tested like unbelievable athletes. We've talked about
Speaker 1: Turner at length. He's a little bit more of a
Speaker 1: of a ready guy. I think he's just pro ready,
Speaker 1: ready to go. Um Ogillary did not test really well,
Speaker 1: but is the best pass restaurant tape out of all
Speaker 1: those guys. I just said. He has a go to
Speaker 1: move with the cross shop and he's a speed bend
Speaker 1: type of pass rusher. I don't know that he's going
Speaker 1: to be of great interest to to Miami their prototype.
Speaker 1: He is physical and tough, He's just small for an
Speaker 1: edge defender. He does have pretty good length. There are
Speaker 1: some things that you like about him, but he's not
Speaker 1: the type of player that's gonna jump and move in space.
Speaker 1: He reminds me very much of Yannick and got Way.
Speaker 1: You can like Yannicking Gockway, but at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, he is what he is. He's a press
Speaker 1: rusher first and foremost. He might not win every snap
Speaker 1: or win with the dominance of great pass rushers in
Speaker 1: the NFL, but he'll win enough times to get U
Speaker 1: ten sacks a game, and he'll get a couple of
Speaker 1: strip sacks in there, and that can change a game.
Speaker 1: That's o gelarr to me. Man like he They are
Speaker 1: such similar players. They aren't really benders in the hips,
Speaker 1: but they're tilters. They like tilt the edge. They lean
Speaker 1: into guys and keep that speed while running at an angle.
Speaker 1: It's pretty impressive stuff. I like, Oh Glary a good bit,
Speaker 1: but there are questions to you know, namely with athleticism.
Speaker 1: You would have liked to see a lot better testing
Speaker 1: considering his style of play. Jason Away, Joseph Asai, those
Speaker 1: are guys that I think I could see being potential,
Speaker 1: and now it depends where they are coming off the board.
Speaker 1: I don't think my aim he's gonna prioritize the guy
Speaker 1: that in the first round. So if some team gets
Speaker 1: crazy and they're like, wow, we want these guys in
Speaker 1: round one, despite the fact that they hardly produced in college.
Speaker 1: Away only had seven sacks, and he played in seven
Speaker 1: games last year and did not have a sack. That's
Speaker 1: pretty crazy, Travis, Like, we're talking about an edge rusher
Speaker 1: a Penn State, Like you couldn't get one sack. But
Speaker 1: he's also going to enter the NFL one years old
Speaker 1: as one of the most athletic human beings in the
Speaker 1: game period. That's kind of testing that he did um.
Speaker 1: A lot of people have floated the idea around what
Speaker 1: if we played him a tight end? So he's just
Speaker 1: he's a special tier athlete. Does he love football? I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to know that with a Way, But I
Speaker 1: have to know that with Quitty Pay and I have
Speaker 1: to know that with Joseph Acade, they have all the
Speaker 1: traits that you want. They're extremely exciting athletes. I don't
Speaker 1: know that you'll see Pay dropped like you would with
Speaker 1: Away or a SI. I don't know that you'll see
Speaker 1: him play off the ball at all like you would
Speaker 1: with those guys, but Away and Asia especially as potential
Speaker 1: Van Noy types, especially Aside he played off the ball
Speaker 1: the Texas and then I'll moved to the edge more
Speaker 1: his last year. But he's a guy that you can
Speaker 1: move around and probably better as a chess piece move
Speaker 1: player than he is at any one specific role right now.
Speaker 1: I saw a highlight clip on Twitter this morning of
Speaker 1: Jason Away catching like a sixty yard touchdown pass at
Speaker 1: tight end in high school. So I think some of
Speaker 1: some folks had that idea back in those days as well.
Speaker 1: And we'll see what happens to him, and he's he's
Speaker 1: definitely intriguing prospect. And you mentioned a couple of things.
Speaker 1: They're just based on your tier system. I'm sitting here
Speaker 1: thinking that thirty six pick in the draft might be
Speaker 1: where you look at that edge position for this Dolphins
Speaker 1: team because of the things you mentioned in terms of
Speaker 1: the value, And you mentioned you know a zz Oglari,
Speaker 1: who I think is a really good player, but like
Speaker 1: you mentioned, is someone else gonna have him higher than
Speaker 1: Miami might because of the pro type, because of the
Speaker 1: fits and all that stuff. So that thirty six maybe
Speaker 1: fiftieth in the draft could be a great spot to
Speaker 1: come around, scoop up on some of these edge prospects
Speaker 1: who fall a little bit maybe because someone else doesn't
Speaker 1: value them the way that we do. And also, you
Speaker 1: made a comment John about how you don't you don't
Speaker 1: look at the injury history or the character stuff, which
Speaker 1: bravo to you for that, because there's so many prognosis
Speaker 1: is out there that are taking in incomplete information and
Speaker 1: applying that. I mean, shoot, Facebook is full of eptomologists
Speaker 1: these days, right to like you know, that's just how
Speaker 1: the world works these days. But so kudos to you
Speaker 1: for that. I want to get into a few of
Speaker 1: these traits that I'm looking at and kind of if
Speaker 1: you've already named the player, go ahead and do it
Speaker 1: again and repeat it and kind of home and emphasize that.
Speaker 1: But I want to check off a few of these
Speaker 1: traits I think are highly important in this defense. And
Speaker 1: you can tell me a couple of guys that fit
Speaker 1: that bill the best. Does that work for you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That sounds great. Who do you think has the loosest
Speaker 1: hips in terms of who has the best lateral side
Speaker 1: decide agility? And I'm talking about the ability to come
Speaker 1: in and twist and stunt and run all the games
Speaker 1: this Dolphins defense runs who's loosen the hips and has
Speaker 1: lateral agility like nobody else in this class. I think
Speaker 1: that really does describe Jason Away pretty well. I mean,
Speaker 1: you would have to get the things you'd have to
Speaker 1: get down with the way would be the more technical
Speaker 1: of the timing aspects of it. Those kind of the
Speaker 1: hands when you're getting through the gap, guards leaning over,
Speaker 1: he catches you and he wants to hit you last second,
Speaker 1: get that hand ready to ward off a blow like
Speaker 1: those are the things to me you'd have to work
Speaker 1: on with him. But in terms of speed and change
Speaker 1: of direction, explosiveness, if you could teach him the timing
Speaker 1: and the intricacies like that, he is just again like
Speaker 1: he you knows I would this will qualify for two.
Speaker 1: Like they are really just great movement players. They just
Speaker 1: they move at a special level um even laterally or
Speaker 1: or vertically. You know, that's kind of how they're built.
Speaker 1: So both those guys, but Phillips also, I mean Jalen
Speaker 1: Phillips again, for everything you mentioned, I bet Phillips will
Speaker 1: will be noteworthy. There really isn't any weaknesses in Jalen
Speaker 1: Phillips game. I don't think many people expect him to
Speaker 1: be in Miami Dolphin um at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: but I mean it could happen, I guess, but he
Speaker 1: would be probably a deviation. Assuming he's gonna go high,
Speaker 1: I guess I should say, um, But yeah, he he
Speaker 1: doesn't really have a lot of weaknesses in his game,
Speaker 1: so most things you mentioned, I bet he'll be pretty
Speaker 1: high on that list as well. You mentioned looking for
Speaker 1: pass rushers, but what about who's the guy that you
Speaker 1: watch at the edge that just does not allow the
Speaker 1: run game to get going, whether it's on the outside,
Speaker 1: set in the edge or working back inside. Who's your
Speaker 1: favorite run defending edge in this class? A couple of
Speaker 1: different types. So there's like point of attack run defense,
Speaker 1: which that that was really lacking in this group. You know,
Speaker 1: there wasn't really a dominant point of attack guy among
Speaker 1: the top tier guys. Somebody I like later on the
Speaker 1: board on that point of attack run defense is camp
Speaker 1: sample from two lane? What's he gonna away? How heavy's
Speaker 1: gonna be? Is gonna be an inside guy in the
Speaker 1: NFL Situationally right now, he's definitely an edge with what
Speaker 1: he's weighing in at in the two sixties, I think, Um,
Speaker 1: but he is. He is the definition of playing with
Speaker 1: leverage and intensity and good hand placement in the trenches.
Speaker 1: He's just very technically hard to move him in two lane.
Speaker 1: He stacked and shed really well. Very physical dude. Um,
Speaker 1: I've really really I'm a huge camp Sample fan. I
Speaker 1: might be the biggest Caam Sample fan out there. Not
Speaker 1: to say that his ceiling is really high. I just
Speaker 1: love the way that he plays. I think you're gonna
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna go in the middle rounds and
Speaker 1: you're going to get a good NFL player. And I'm
Speaker 1: part of me still likes the assurance of kind of
Speaker 1: knowing what you're getting, you know, as much as I
Speaker 1: get excited about the ways and the size and what
Speaker 1: they could be, at the end of the day, Like, no,
Speaker 1: when you're getting a good football player, when you take
Speaker 1: somebody in round three, I really value that too. So
Speaker 1: I like that about camp Sample. Um. Then I would
Speaker 1: say in terms of just their potential as a run defender,
Speaker 1: Jason Away again, he improved his run defense a lot
Speaker 1: of pense date this past year. Um, you know, part
Speaker 1: of it that he has all these tools in his toolbox,
Speaker 1: but also he kind of got it technically too, and
Speaker 1: I was really impressed with that with him. You know,
Speaker 1: he was really able. He would step down, he would
Speaker 1: take on polars um, you know, he would dip underneath
Speaker 1: polars and he would recognize concepts and that growth actually
Speaker 1: really encouraged me with the way, even though he's very
Speaker 1: far away as a pass rusher, the fact that the
Speaker 1: whole aspect of his game took this huge leap told
Speaker 1: me that maybe we've got a quick learner and a
Speaker 1: guy who can figure things out on the fly, and
Speaker 1: maybe the next step is his pass rush game. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's where he improves next. So I like those guys honestly,
Speaker 1: even though he wasn't, I don't know how his projection
Speaker 1: in the NFL is going to go. Oh, Gilry also
Speaker 1: played pretty good run defense despite being a smaller guy
Speaker 1: this past season. I don't know if teams will project
Speaker 1: him to being a great run defender in the NFL
Speaker 1: due to his size, but um on tape it definitely
Speaker 1: he had some impressive moments as well. I love how
Speaker 1: sort of hashing this out live on the air here,
Speaker 1: like you have the Angel on the Devil on your
Speaker 1: should are gonna comes to Jason away and you're kind
Speaker 1: of like trying to figure out which one you want
Speaker 1: to listen to more because it's it sounds super intriguing.
Speaker 1: But like you mentioned, like, what's the finished product gonna
Speaker 1: look like? And do you have the coaching staff to
Speaker 1: get your hands on them and get him right? That's
Speaker 1: obviously one of the most important things in this whole process,
Speaker 1: and I think it's overlooked so often. But let's continue
Speaker 1: on here. And you know, I've heard this term from
Speaker 1: being around the Dolphins for the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: You know, in camp around players and coaches. Heavy hands
Speaker 1: be be heavy handed when you're at that position. Who
Speaker 1: do you watch on TAPA and say that dude's got
Speaker 1: some heavy f and hands. Payton Turner for sure, no
Speaker 1: question about that. Um. You know, I've kind of talked
Speaker 1: about him a little bit already. Despite not playing with
Speaker 1: great leverage, he's able to use that length, lock guys
Speaker 1: out and throw people around. B y U is the
Speaker 1: best offensive line he faced. I always go to the
Speaker 1: best offensive line, right, There's no reason to mess around, Like,
Speaker 1: let's watch him against the best if they can't play
Speaker 1: against the best, then you watch the other tape. Sure,
Speaker 1: but you know there's there's gonna be some level of
Speaker 1: concern right there if they can't play against the best.
Speaker 1: And he was really good I thought against b y
Speaker 1: U and so um yeah, he tossed her other right
Speaker 1: tackle a few times in one RAPPI through Brady Christensen,
Speaker 1: who's gonna be a probably top sixty pick, top sixty
Speaker 1: four pick in the draft, has a chance to be anyway,
Speaker 1: and he tossed him around in sack. Zack Wilson so real,
Speaker 1: heavy hands, very violent and one of those rare types
Speaker 1: I think that might be able to just because of
Speaker 1: his length and physicality. He might not have to play
Speaker 1: with leverage all the time. He can still get away
Speaker 1: with it on the on the inside. That's hard to do.
Speaker 1: You have to be a special, the forced Buckner type
Speaker 1: player to be able to do that on the inside
Speaker 1: and still be able to be consistently consistent of your
Speaker 1: position on the outside. Though you don't always need that
Speaker 1: leverage if you have the length and the strength, and
Speaker 1: he does. The other guy I would say in terms
Speaker 1: of just heavy handedness sample I'll mention and throwing his
Speaker 1: name out of there again, perfect example of what he
Speaker 1: is and why I really like him. Um. And the
Speaker 1: other one Rashad Weaver from pitt Uh. Really interesting player,
Speaker 1: kind of has the athletic testing of like a bendy,
Speaker 1: smaller guy, but he's just not explosive and anything that
Speaker 1: he does, um, it's very steady. But I do think
Speaker 1: you really need explosiveness to be great in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He's crafty enough, good enough with his hands, great lang,
Speaker 1: you know, plays good point of attacker on defense. Never
Speaker 1: gonna be a great space player. Um, but he's you know,
Speaker 1: he's the kind of guy that I think will carve
Speaker 1: out a role for himself in the NFL if he
Speaker 1: can stay healthy. That's that's gonna be the big question
Speaker 1: with Weaver. But I'd say those guys are probably the
Speaker 1: ones that stand out the most in terms of those traits.
Speaker 1: John Ludyard Peter Report here on the Drivetime podcast, breaking
Speaker 1: down the edge and defensive line class in this year's draft,
Speaker 1: this draft coming up later this month. I should say
Speaker 1: one more category here for you. We've you've kind of
Speaker 1: hinted at a few times. You've mentioned the name Kyle
Speaker 1: van Noy. That's a player that took a lot of reps,
Speaker 1: did a lot of things in those defense last season,
Speaker 1: but they're gonna have to find a way to replace
Speaker 1: those reps. In one who is your ideal two way
Speaker 1: kind of hybrid guy. I know we talked about Joseph Aside,
Speaker 1: a guy that played off the ball his first couple
Speaker 1: of years of Texas. Now he comes down off the edge.
Speaker 1: I think that's probably easy one, but you've got to
Speaker 1: have some more other than Joseph Aside. Who are some
Speaker 1: of your top two way type of hybrid guys that
Speaker 1: can give you the edge rushing but also play off
Speaker 1: the ball. Yeah, I mean there's it's like a hypothetical
Speaker 1: for guys like Away in a side like I think
Speaker 1: they could, but you have to teach him. They're not
Speaker 1: like they didn't like do that necessarily in college. You know.
Speaker 1: I mentioned Asia a little bit he did, but Vannoy
Speaker 1: definitely brought unique things to the table. The closest guy
Speaker 1: to that, honestly might be a linebacker in Zaven Collins
Speaker 1: because he had rushes situationally, which my understanding of vanois,
Speaker 1: you know, it's more like a situational edge rush and
Speaker 1: then a lot of off the ball work, especially coverage.
Speaker 1: What could he give you? You know, Collins made a
Speaker 1: lot of plays in coverage this past season. He definitely
Speaker 1: has a great feeling zone kind of of where to
Speaker 1: be and I appreciate that about his game. He is
Speaker 1: like a huge version of Van Noy. I mean he's
Speaker 1: like two hundred sixty pounds. I mean he's massive for
Speaker 1: a linebacker. That's very rare, and he's very smooth. He
Speaker 1: is fast enough. The biggest question with Collins is he's
Speaker 1: not physical enough to play on the edge in the NFL.
Speaker 1: So you have to figure out situationally, can you make
Speaker 1: him work and how much do you want to play
Speaker 1: him on the line of scrimmage, Because if you're on
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, I really need to know that
Speaker 1: you're explosive in your first couple of steps, that you
Speaker 1: are physically like willing to go. I mean, you go
Speaker 1: to war every snap on the online of scrimmage and linebacker,
Speaker 1: you might at some point get hit by somebody you know,
Speaker 1: or you may make a tackle, you may have to
Speaker 1: work through a block. It's more what I'm talking about, um,
Speaker 1: you know, and the line of scrimmage. That's every play
Speaker 1: I mean basically every play you've got to do that.
Speaker 1: So does he have that kind of mentality you know,
Speaker 1: a player when you're projecting to that kind of a role,
Speaker 1: you know. So the physicality and the and the explosiveness
Speaker 1: are big, and I don't think that really describes this
Speaker 1: game as much. So you have to use them on
Speaker 1: the edge situationally, I think. But in terms of off
Speaker 1: the ball stuff, yeah, I mean ability to play in
Speaker 1: space for sure, his own coverage for sure. Uh. You
Speaker 1: never may never be the tone center for your team,
Speaker 1: which you'd love a six three two or sixty pound
Speaker 1: linebacker to be the tone center for your team. So
Speaker 1: there will be some disappointment that he is not. His
Speaker 1: physical frame does not match play style at all. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, I still think there's a good
Speaker 1: player in there. If you can get them with one
Speaker 1: of those second round picks that you're talking about, I
Speaker 1: think that's where you really kind of could help yourself.
Speaker 1: As a defense. I've always wondered, like, why isn't this
Speaker 1: guy beat blocks more aggressively and just play, like you mentioned,
Speaker 1: to that size and to that to that capability he
Speaker 1: has in that frame, I don't want to pigeonhole the
Speaker 1: Dolphins to drafting by need or by saying a certain
Speaker 1: position is no longer a need, because that's just not
Speaker 1: how this team operates. But I do think the defensive
Speaker 1: tackle position right now is probably in good hands. But
Speaker 1: as the draft approaches that you know that there's always
Speaker 1: curveballs that come into this thing. So let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and just touch on the defensive tackle class here real quick.
Speaker 1: And maybe it is just a Day three space either,
Speaker 1: like a Tyler Shelvon, But even then, I think that's
Speaker 1: kind of what John Jenkins was brought back for in
Speaker 1: a one year contract. So I'm not entirely sure. But John,
Speaker 1: you just put out your defensive tackle rankings on your
Speaker 1: on your draft big board, So why don't you go
Speaker 1: ahead and run through that force real quick here and
Speaker 1: talk about maybe some later round values at that position. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're probably not gonna worry about the top guys like
Speaker 1: bar Moron, Rozrique Nix, and I say top, but I
Speaker 1: still have questions with all those guys anyway. So the
Speaker 1: value in this class is perfect for teams that don't
Speaker 1: need one early. You know, if you if you don't
Speaker 1: need an impact guy earlier You're you're gonna be all
Speaker 1: right because later in the class you're gonna get some
Speaker 1: guys that that are good like that. Now, my favorite
Speaker 1: type of guy, probably especially for Miami, I think would
Speaker 1: be Marlon Tweet Pollo two from from USC I don't
Speaker 1: know why. I don't know what happened Travis and two
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen. The dude did not wear gloves. He was
Speaker 1: wearing number fifty one. He wasn't He had no tape
Speaker 1: on his arms, and the aesthetic matters, man like it matters.
Speaker 1: This year he switches to number ninety three, He gets gloves,
Speaker 1: he tapes up his four arms. He lost the power
Speaker 1: gut that he had in two thousand nineteen. I am
Speaker 1: not kidding you when I say I stopped the tape
Speaker 1: after I watched a couple nineteen games. I stopped the
Speaker 1: twenty tape and I had to like check the roster,
Speaker 1: and I kept stopping and going, is this cannot be
Speaker 1: the same human being? Like they just didn't even look
Speaker 1: the same. It was. It's wild. If you get a
Speaker 1: chance look at him in two thousand nineteen, then just
Speaker 1: look at him in two thousand twenty. His body looks different,
Speaker 1: just everything. It was really wild. I had two thousand
Speaker 1: en I thought he was borderline undraftable, to be honest,
Speaker 1: and then two Thowy just a different player, more past rushability, way,
Speaker 1: better usage of his hands, more consistent, recognized blocking concepts.
Speaker 1: They say, loves the game, He's very physical, works really hard. Um,
Speaker 1: so those things. You know, again, you think about what
Speaker 1: Miami values. They want character guys, right, they want guys
Speaker 1: that are gonna grind with the type of players that
Speaker 1: they get in the trenches, and I think he really
Speaker 1: fits that. So to me, he's a great fit when
Speaker 1: obvious surprised, Oh to see Hi become a Miami Dolphin. Um,
Speaker 1: he can play multiple positions in the D line. That's
Speaker 1: the other thing. I like you mentioned a space eater.
Speaker 1: That's the thing about Miami, Like they could get any
Speaker 1: type of guy. You could have a John Jenkins to
Speaker 1: a Emmanuel Agua playing inside, like all types of the
Speaker 1: interior man. Like you think about Beltics defenses over the years.
Speaker 1: You know a Die church Wise and Adam Butler and
Speaker 1: Danny Shelton, like you just have every type of player. Um,
Speaker 1: they just want I think they want guys who love football,
Speaker 1: are super physical and no technically what they're doing. That
Speaker 1: describes Marlin Twee Polo too. I think to would agree
Speaker 1: Di Scot's OsO Diggi Zoo he has to use that
Speaker 1: length better the thirty four in ch Arms. But I
Speaker 1: do think he'll be mostly in interior player in the NFL,
Speaker 1: and he definitely fits in terms of physicality and aggressiveness
Speaker 1: love for the game. I know that was apparently a
Speaker 1: question with his brother Digi Zoo when he was in
Speaker 1: the NFL, but it won't be a question with Osa,
Speaker 1: I don't think, um so as long as teams feel
Speaker 1: like those boxes are checked, those are the two that
Speaker 1: I would say from Miami that really kind of stand
Speaker 1: out to me. Like you said, there could be a
Speaker 1: nose tackle late like a Tyler Shelvon or Marvin Wilson
Speaker 1: or even a two Darryl Slayton from Florida Cayrus Tonger
Speaker 1: from b y U. He's already twenty five years always
Speaker 1: gonna be twenty five years old in a couple of months,
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, but late in the draft,
Speaker 1: if you're just looking at Phil roy or roster for
Speaker 1: one or two years, those might be the type of
Speaker 1: guys you target. But in terms of those mid round types,
Speaker 1: I think those two guys Ozo Diggi Zoo and Marlon
Speaker 1: Tweet Polo too. We'll go on the West coast for
Speaker 1: two guys from Miami Dolphins. I love you just cranking
Speaker 1: on extra names there force at the end to go
Speaker 1: back and look at here. I also love that you
Speaker 1: mentioned the aesthetic because one thing that I always harp
Speaker 1: on and watching tape is like receivers, for instance, please
Speaker 1: wear different color shoes, where different sleeves. Give me something
Speaker 1: that differentiates you, because sometimes these guys look the same
Speaker 1: from that eagle line this guy, and I can't tell
Speaker 1: who's who if I don't get your numbers. So with
Speaker 1: you on that all the way, John led your Pewter Report.
Speaker 1: What are you working on, man? What's coming up there
Speaker 1: on the website and on the podcast? And where can
Speaker 1: people find you on social? Yeah, you can find me
Speaker 1: on social at Ledyard NFL Draft. I've always got draft
Speaker 1: content going up on the subwebsite, like on Peter Report
Speaker 1: dot com. Like you mentioned my edge defender rankings, my
Speaker 1: interior defensive line rankings have dropped over the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. You can go to the site and search
Speaker 1: those and you'll find those pretty easily. You can, you know,
Speaker 1: comment or tweet at me and let me know how
Speaker 1: much you think they're trash um. But those are the
Speaker 1: places you can mainly find me. And then if you
Speaker 1: want to listen to the podcast, we do talk Bucks.
Speaker 1: But I had Dan Burgler on the other day. We
Speaker 1: just talked to NFL draft and quarterbacks for a long time,
Speaker 1: and we talk a lot of draft right now this
Speaker 1: time of year two. And I went through the next
Speaker 1: day on Thursday's podcast on the Pewter Report podcasts, which
Speaker 1: you can watch on YouTube, I went through and talked
Speaker 1: about by d tackle rankings and went in depth more
Speaker 1: on those guys kind of guys. So we just talk
Speaker 1: a lot of draft to Some of it occasionally is
Speaker 1: geared to the Bucks this time of year, but it's
Speaker 1: a lot of it's just draft stuff. So you can
Speaker 1: always check out those things as well, But mainly if
Speaker 1: you want to ask me questions or get my draft
Speaker 1: thoughts just in general on a team, you're gonna look
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Speaker 1: D NFL Draft. Well, thank you so much for your
Speaker 1: time today, John. We didn't get into this year like
Speaker 1: we had last year, but the Dolphins are in Tampa
Speaker 1: this seasons. When that schedule comes out, Let's let's send
Speaker 1: some d ms back and forth and and figure out
Speaker 1: something to link up in Tampa Bay. Sound good. That
Speaker 1: sounds great to me, Man, Will would be great to
Speaker 1: get a show together. Maybe we'll both get a show
Speaker 1: out of it if we do that, the Crossover City,
Speaker 1: Maybe I love it. John Ledyard, thank you so much, Man.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you soon. Absolutely, Man, thanks so much
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