WEBVTT - 2021 NFL Draft Defensive Line Preview 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:16.200 Field touchdown, Miami Run. What is up, Dolph Fans And 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:20.440 welcome to the Drivetime Podcast, part of the Miami Dolphins 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:25.200 podcast network covering your team, your Miami Dolphins. How's it 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:29.000 going everybody? I am your host, Travis Winkfield. And on 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:33.080 today's show, the draft Preview continues. We're talking to John 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:37.120 Ledyard of Pewter Report dot Com to preview the edge position. 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:39.680 He's gonna break it down into tears. Tell us who 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:43.440 the best fits in this defense are. The heaviest hands, 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:47.920 best lateral agility for stunting in games, best day to value, 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:51.199 the prototype for playing edge in this defense, all of 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:54.400 that and a whole bunch more on this edition of 0:00:54.680 --> 0:01:01.000 the Drivetime podcasts. As all traft Time is brought to 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:03.640 you by Auto Nation, We're not gonna waste any time 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:06.800 on this podcast. We have a lengthy interview with John Ledyard. 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:08.840 Let's go ahead and jump right in. We talked all 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:13.120 things defensive end, edge position and this Dolphins defense on 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:16.640 this edition of the Drive Time Draft Preview podcast and 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:19.720 joining us now on the Drivetime Podcast, he covers the 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:23.080 Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the NFL traft com Pewter Report 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:26.000 dot Com also has a great podcast and live show there. 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.720 He is John Ledyard. John from one New Florida Man 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:33.240 to another New Florida man. Welcome in, Thanks man, I've 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:35.600 forgot about that. We're both kind of new to the 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:38.040 lay of the land down here. Man. It is sweet. 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:40.920 I'm not gonna lie. I'm in the Tampa Bay area obviously, 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:43.360 but I can't get enough for right now. Man. I mean, 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:45.000 I honestly don't know if I'm ever gonna be able 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:47.120 to convince my wife to leave, and I'm not sure 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:49.120 i'd ever want to at this point. It's it's a 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:52.440 great place to live Saturdays before home games when there's well, 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:54.960 this year I didn't travel, but Saturday's before home games 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:57.280 are sacred in the NFL because you don't, you know, 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.400 you have that time off to yourself. I would go 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:02.160 to my pool like around Thanksgiving time and just floating 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:04.040 for like three hours. I'm like, I can't get enough 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:06.080 of this. This is like you said, never going back 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:08.079 to the Pacific Northwest again, because we have like three 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:10.120 months where I can swim, and now I've got basically 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:11.919 twelve months where I can get in the pool and 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:13.639 get my tan on and and all that stuff I 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:16.560 didn't want to ask you. Is there like one Florida man, 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:18.720 thing you've seen so far that blew your mind? Because 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:20.680 I had one early on in my in my time 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.240 down there, I'm wondering what yours might be. I mean, 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:26.640 one thing is just the roads like blow my mind. 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:29.920 I cannot believe how just much of a free for 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:31.880 all it is. I mean, first of all, you never 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:35.079 see anybody pulled over. Everybody speeds, which everybody speeds and 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:38.239 p A two where I'm from originally, but here it's 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:41.480 like there's there's hardly any speed limit signs like a 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:43.120 p A you got one all over the place. You've 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:45.400 got speed limit signs everywhere in Florida. You have them 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:47.160 so spaced out you don't even if you didn't see 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:49.079 one early. You don't know what speed limit is half 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:51.120 the time. And most people drive like it. They never 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:53.880 get in trouble. There's like no intersections or the inter 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:55.800 I mean sorry, there's intersections. There's no lights at the 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.840 intersections for I mean, so people are literally pulling out 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.240 between the intersections and and just turning whatever they can. 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:03.960 It's just a mad house on the road. Sometimes even 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:07.000 when traffic isn't bad. The lack of rules and structure 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:09.760 is like very Florida man asked to me. Even if 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:12.560 it isn't center around one individual, it's it's funny it's 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:14.560 out east because it really is the wild wild West, 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:16.760 like I call it, wacky races out there. It's basically 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.560 just gun it and pray and see what happens. Because 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.600 turn signals are completely optional down there. I'm back home 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:24.760 in the Northwest right now, but down in Florida they 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:26.600 are optional and you just kind of go with it 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:29.440 and see what happens. And I got hit by someone 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.799 got ranted my first month down there. So welcome to Florida, man. 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:34.519 I'm we're glad to have you in the state couple 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:36.880 hours up north. And the reason you are in Florida 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:39.920 is because you're covering a Super Bowl champion last year. 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:41.960 What was that like, man, covering a team that went 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:44.280 all the way and you had the good press box 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:46.920 flex post on Twitter showing the picture from the press box. 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:49.040 How was the season covering a Super Bowl team for you? 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:52.440 It was awesome? Um, for a lot of reasons. Really. 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:55.280 I covered the Steelers for years and although obviously I 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:58.160 always love the Steelers and I enjoyed my time covering them. 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:00.480 It is a lot there are a lot more difficult 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:03.560 to cover. There was, just there's not the same transparency. 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:07.000 You know, there's very much this hierarchy in the media realm, 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:09.280 but also from the team to the media, there's not 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:12.880 this you know, relationship and it doesn't mean like everything 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:14.800 we say is in support of the team or anything 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:17.200 like that. But there's just for so little drama in 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:18.920 Tampa Bay. And I love that, you know, I love 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:22.760 the cohesiveness of the media all working together um on 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:27.279 and just being part of that where you don't feel like, oh, 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:30.000 you're younger. You know, I'm thirty one now, but you're younger, 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:32.320 and like you know, you're not you have to do this, 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:34.160 this and this before we accept the fact that you're 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:36.599 part of me. Like just to know you're stepping into 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:38.880 a realm where this team wants to be covered and 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:40.480 they want a relationship with the media, and they want 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:43.480 to keep that relationship you know, open door, and and 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:44.880 they want to keep it in and kind of a 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:47.680 good place. Not so much that we just write positive 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:49.839 things about them, because all right, negative stuff too, but 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:53.040 it's just like that this is not this like superiority 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:56.240 complex like there is with some other organizations that admittedly 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:58.560 probably of reason to be on the high horse a 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:01.320 little bit like Pittsburghi's want lot over the years. So 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.320 that was a fun part of it for me personally, 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:06.039 but also just covering a great team. I mean to 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:09.240 watch the transformations that happened. I started in February of 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:12.520 last year, and Tom Brady was signed like a month later, 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:14.599 a month and a half later. From after I got 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:16.919 I was brown Board, and then it was Gronkowski and 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:20.159 just kind of this whole run of of moves during 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:22.600 the year, and then this amazing season that was kind 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:24.520 of up and down a little bit, and then they 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:26.720 got hot at the end and you knew something special 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.280 could be happening once they started winning in the playoffs 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:31.320 a little bit, and it was. It was a blast 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:33.400 to be a part of it. Rarely comes together like 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:35.880 that that quickly, and so to be a part of 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:37.760 something like that and to be able to be down here. 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.880 We actually moved down to Tampa Bay during their bye week. 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.640 Remember they haven't lost since that point, so we are 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:46.040 eight now down here. I've been to three I think 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:48.480 I covered three or four games live at the stadium 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:51.560 this year and they want all of them obviously Banana, 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:53.800 So a lot of pressure on us going into next 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.320 year for sure to keep the streak intact. But right 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.440 now they've all been victory Mondays for the Ledgards in 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.560 Tampa Bay. Yeah, I had, uh Tampa Bay. Trey his 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:03.400 you know, the same name. He was in the podcast 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:05.600 earlier this week and and he was I talked to 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:08.080 him about rooting for a team that won the Super Bowl, 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:09.680 and I told him, you know, I'll be in the 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:11.680 press box for these Dolphins games. I had a joke 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:13.960 for a long time that the Dolphins had this program 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.240 where people that wrote for for fans sides could come 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.080 down and cover a couple of games every year, and 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.039 I took advantage of that, and I was I think 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:21.800 four know at one point in the press box, and 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.240 I was telling Trey one of those games was the 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:27.280 Miami Miracle, where I couldn't contain it. And I told him, 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:29.200 if it's a Super Bowl that I'm covering, there's no 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:31.280 chance I'm gonna be able to follow the press box rule. 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:34.440 So we will see how that goes. But you mentioned, 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:37.240 you know, the Bucks last year gave you basically twelve 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:39.760 months of great content because you signed a player that's 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.480 good content for you have the draft that's obviously great content. 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:45.080 We saw that here in Miami as well. Boy was 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:48.320 I busy last offseason with all those free agent acquisitions 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:50.320 and all those draft picks. And that's where we have 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.040 you on here for this podcast today, John, to talk 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:56.360 about another position going into this draft that could be 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:59.400 an area of focus for those Dolphins team, the defensive line, 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.919 particularly at the edge position. You and I spoke offline 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.359 that they loaded up on the interior defensive line and 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:07.320 have some guys that play a little bit of that 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:09.680 big heavy edge like you had mentioned to me offline. 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:12.480 Fans haven't heard that yet. But that's not out here 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:14.000 nor there. But I do want to get into this 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:16.680 edge position and maybe just first before we get to 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:20.120 the Dolphins aspect, establish a baseline for when you're looking 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:22.760 at edge players on tape, like what is a trait 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:24.840 or two that you have to see for you to 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:28.360 get excited about that player? For me, I always start 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:30.200 with pass rush because if you and that might be 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:32.200 a little different actually than where Miami starts, Like I 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:33.560 don't know that they all you know, with all other 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:35.600 guys that they start there, and that's fine, But for me, 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:38.000 it's always I start with pass rush. Should I say 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.640 to myself, I look at four pillars. I call them 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:43.800 the four pillars of pass rush athleticism because I'm a nerd, 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:46.680 and I call it starts with burst off the ball 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:48.880 your first two steps. Can you get off the ball quickly, 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:51.320 timely fashion? And can you do it on a consistent basis? 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:53.280 Could be snap timing. I don't really care as long 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:54.720 as you're off the ball quickly and you can do 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:58.280 it consistently. And so are you explosive? Basically? Are you fast? 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.200 You carry that speed up the arc? Doesn't have to 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.760 be fast over forty yards, but over yeah, that five 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:04.680 to ten yards that you need to cover. Can you 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:06.800 maintain your speed? And then can you go to the 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:10.640 third pillar of athleticism for pass rushers is bend flexibility? 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:13.440 Can you carry that speed around the outside hip of 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:15.640 the offensive tackle? And then the last one will be 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.160 change the direction, just because I think you have to 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:19.920 be able to then alter off of that path. So 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:22.360 the primary path for pass rushers where I want to 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:24.160 see them win is around the outside hip of the 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:26.600 offensive tackle. If you can do that it sets up 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:28.679 your speed to power game, it sets up your speed 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:31.160 counter game, and your ability to get inside guys sets 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:33.120 up the rest of the arsenal as a pass rusher. 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:35.280 But I gotta know that you can do that burst 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:38.319 off the ball, speed up the arc, bend and flexibility 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:40.600 at the top of the arc, and then change the direction. 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:42.640 Which of those traits are you strong and or you're 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:44.360 strong and all of them, You're probably gonna be a 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:46.599 really good prospect. If you're only strong and one of 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:48.640 them can do. What other things do you have in 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:51.160 your game to make it work? And you still make 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:54.320 it work with that skill set. If you're explosive but 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:56.840 you can't band, well that's good, that's okay. You can 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.760 still wins speed to power, You can definitely counter inside 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:01.880 because you still threaten up the arc even if you're 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:04.880 not the bendiest dude. So explosiveness is the most important 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:07.439 thing because of that. If you're bendy but not explosive, 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:09.800 it's a little bit harder because you're not going to 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:11.600 be at the edge and be at that point where 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:13.760 you need to bend very often unless a guy is 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.200 a bad pass set. So it really kind of depends 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:18.080 on what traits you offer and then how well you 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.520 can work around them with the additional skills that you 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:22.440 might have as a rusher. Well, I'm glad you mentioned 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:25.040 the Dolphins might have some different preferences in terms of 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:26.720 the type of player they look at. And that's I'm 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:29.160 sure it can be, you know, accounted four across all 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.679 thirty two organizations. But we've seen this defense and I've 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:34.000 talked about on the podcast many many times. You know, 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.880 William McGinnis, you know, left the Patriots and his prime 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:39.640 Richard Seymour left the Patriots and his prime Chandler Jones, 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:42.400 Trey Flowers went to the Lions and free agency. They 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:44.959 just didn't always place that priority on the guy that 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.800 could consistently win the one on one pass rush situations. 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:50.600 And we saw last year list offense defense created pressure 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:53.199 through the scheme en route to a top ten sack defense, 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:55.559 the number one takeaway defense, number one third down defense, 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:58.959 and number six scoring defense in the National Football League. 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:00.920 And to continue that, John, in terms of what the 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.839 Dolphins defense does, I mean, they loaded up on the 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.720 defensive tackle position. You know, Zack Steeler and Christian Wilkins 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:09.080 can both play some of that heavy end uh in 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:12.720 this defense, Adam Butler has that explosive explosiveness on the 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:15.760 interior off the line you talked about shack loss and 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:18.520 gets traded to Houston. Emmanuel Ogbas still here and we 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:20.680 had him on a podcast a while back talking about 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:22.679 some of the things that you just mentioned with the 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.120 pass rush game. And so this is a defense that 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:28.679 calls a lot of dime defense. It's very linebacker influenced 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:30.880 and guys that can play multiple spots. So when you 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:33.600 think about that, how much different do you view this 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:36.160 class in terms of guys that might fit the mold 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:39.280 of the big heavy edge, the guy with the heavy hands, 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:41.760 the guy that maybe can condense inside but also maybe 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.480 work outside stand up as a linebacker. Is this a 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:47.120 good class? But the versatile multiple guys like that that 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:50.720 Miami might covet actually is a pretty good class for that, 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:53.880 especially because when you're talking about Miami, just with what 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:57.400 you described the Sills, skill sets that Miami typically looks 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:00.760 for are often not They don't have to be first 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:02.920 round guys for them to be interested in. In fact, 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:04.920 I would say that they're probably less likely to take 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:07.559 those types of players earlier than some other teams maybe 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:10.320 that rely on pass rush, for formative pass rush or 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:12.480 things like that to get home, where individuals guys that 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:15.199 can win one on one teams that really rely on that, 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:18.280 they're going to prioritize those positions early, whereas Miami they 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:20.240 can wait kind of get in the sweet spot right 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.360 and like get guys who other people might not have 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:24.400 that high on the board but fit exactly what Miami 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:26.679 wants to do. And So there are players like that 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:29.839 in this class, both in my edge rankings but also 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:32.320 in my interior defensive line rankings that are kind of 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:35.679 like hybrid types of players or could be hybrid types 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:38.480 of players. I'll mention two of them quickly in terms 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:41.720 of the heavy edge type of role. One of them 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.719 is Peyton Turner from Houston, who actually just worked out 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:47.760 on Friday at his pro day. Had an unbelievable workout. 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:51.960 He's too almost two seventy pounds, is over thirty five 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:56.320 inch arms, and he still managed to get a six 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:59.960 seven three cone, which three cone just denotes bend and flexibility. 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.439 I think it's one of the most important um it's 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:05.040 one of the most important workout results for edge defenders 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:07.680 because it directly translates to tape, right, can you turn 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:10.200 in space basically like that? UM like that you have 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.080 to do running a loop or things like that. So 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:14.920 UM so I love that, um that he's able to 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:17.080 bring those things to the table. You see him on 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:20.079 tape too, very physical, very violent. He does play with 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:22.480 a little bit of high pads. He's not quite as 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:26.440 technically clean as you might see some guys that that 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:29.920 that those Patriots style defenses. You know that the that 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:34.160 Belichick umbrella has kind of prioritized over the years. But 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:37.080 he is very violent and he's very physical. And the 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.040 other unique thing about him, as he's played inside of 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:43.160 Houston early on in his career, still kicks inside occasionally 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:45.600 for Houston, but he plays from a two point stance 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.440 and a three point stance outside the tackle, which is 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:50.959 kind of another thing for a guy his size. You've 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:53.200 even seen him drop a little bit, not a ton, 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:55.760 but a little bit, and I think he's way more 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:57.839 explosive from a three point stance. But if you can 0:12:57.880 --> 0:12:59.959 correct his balance and some of his things pre snap, 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:02.040 he's just kind of like leaning all over the place 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:04.520 a little bit, kind of very Marcus Davenport like, if 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:06.840 you remember Davenport from a few years ago. It just 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.200 couldn't get quite comfortable, like ants and his pants before 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:11.520 the stat from a two point stance, but from a 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:14.880 three point stance with his hand down. He's really explosive. 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:16.960 And I don't think that people have talked enough about 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.120 how quick he is off the ball because a lot 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.400 of time he's in that two point stand. So he's 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:22.760 one of those players you can just do a lot 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:24.440 of different stuff with him. I think he could play 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:26.680 the heavy edge, but also late in games if you 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:28.280 needed a pass rusher, if you needed a guy to 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:30.400 kick inside, if you need another guy on the edge, 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:31.640 and you were just looking at who's my two best 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:34.040 pass rushers, I just need them right now. Scheme scheme 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:35.679 be damned like, I don't care about that right now. 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:38.160 I just want my two best pass rushers. He's able 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.120 to be on the field in those situations too, so 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:42.959 fun guy that gives you a little bit of everything. 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:44.959 I think it could be a fit the other guys also. 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.120 Digazoola from u c L A more of an interior 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:51.200 player at u c L. A played four, I played three, 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:54.120 played zero, played one. I mean all over the place 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:56.440 and there, Yes, you'd see him outside the tackle at 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:59.760 times too. Tested pretty well to inter and eighty two pounds, 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:02.760 so he is definitely more in the heavy edge and 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.760 could kick inside type of role for a team, but 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:09.080 definitely a fit for that style defense. I think another guy, 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:11.600 like you said, they don't prioritize a second contract, so 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:15.040 like if Manuel Aga goes out the door, eventually it's 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:16.839 some point and you know, OsO dig A Zoo is 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:18.760 a guy that could back him up and then eventually 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.120 replaced him at some point whenever if he would ever 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:23.400 move on. And so those are kind of a couple 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:24.920 of guys that I would say that I would have 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:26.760 my eye on that I think could be good fits 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:29.440 for the Dolphins at the edge spot slash interior spot. 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:31.840 Those are great points. And I'm glad you mentioned Peyton 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:34.040 Turner because he gives me two kind of avenues to 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:36.840 do kind of follow up questions with you here and one, 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:39.800 I'm curious how you evaluate a player that maybe you 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:42.080 think could have been used differently. And I'm not saying 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:44.960 that Peyton Turner wasn't used correctly Houston, but it reminds 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:47.800 me of at Oliver back at Houston when folks were 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:50.400 not thrilled about the fact that he was maybe rushing 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.560 from the zero technique. Sometimes, like when you're on a 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:54.880 third down call on defense and he's at the zero technique, 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:56.800 maybe they kind of limits his ability there. I know 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.960 Daniel Jeremiah thinks that Quitty Pays usage was awful at 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.080 Chigan this year. When you consider watching college tape and 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:05.080 how these guys are used, how much do you have 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.280 to kind of separate the usage what he can do 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:09.560 compared to what he actually produced and what he did 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:14.200 do in college. Yeah, really tough, really difficult. I'm completely 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:17.520 with Daniel Jeremiah on Quety Pay. He was his usage 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:19.280 just really bad, and it's kept me. I said this 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:21.480 on a show the other day that I said to 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:23.640 the host, I don't know whether Quiti Pay is good 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:25.400 or not. I watched a lot of games of him 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:28.560 of the last two years, and I am really not sure. 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.360 You know what he can be um And yeah, he's 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:33.280 a good example of they try to do just way 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.640 too much for them too soon. So it depends on 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:38.280 the issue too. Like so with with Quity Pay, they're 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:40.000 trying to play him inside, they're playing him head up 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:41.840 on the tackle, they're asking him to playing a square stance, 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:43.760 which was an issue with that Oliver two. So you 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:47.040 don't always get the most explosiveness you can get from him. Um. 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.720 So that's very much a usage thing with with a 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:52.200 guy like Payton Turner, it's like, Okay, I think he 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:53.960 can do all these different things. I'm not sure it's 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:55.960 techniques quite where it needs to be to do all 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.040 these different things. But I get I get why they're 0:15:58.080 --> 0:15:59.960 trying to to do all these different things with him 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:02.600 because he might have that versatility the NFL, where somebody 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:04.680 like pay he just might be an edge rusher, like 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.000 that's it, and they're trying to do all this different 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:08.640 stuff with them, and it just didn't make sense. It 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:11.280 wasn't wasn't his skill set, wasn't who he was as 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:14.520 a player. So you do have to look past that sometimes. Um. 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:17.240 I also think it's an excuse sometimes for value, and 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:18.680 he's like, oh, I hate the way they use them, 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:21.040 but I love the fact that he tested well, um 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:23.080 and he looks great on the hoof, so I'm gonna 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.680 give him a high grade. Well, usually, even if you're 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:28.920 used not quite to the best of your ability, you 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:31.960 can produce. And so that's where production does matter and 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:34.240 does come in for these edge defenders, and I'm sure 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:35.640 we'll talk about that a little bit. And when we 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:37.600 get to more of the speed rushing type that could 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:41.440 also play maybe off the ball, a Calvinnoy type player. 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:44.160 But that that the production matters, and what you did 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:46.880 on the edge in terms of production in college matters too. 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.400 So yeah, you figure out where you want to plant 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:51.840 your flags on outliers and things like that. But I 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:54.080 really do think it starts with looking at those traits. 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:56.880 If you have those traits, that's a great place to start. 0:16:56.920 --> 0:17:00.000 If you have those pastors athleticism pillars, that's a great 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.120 place to start. If you didn't produce in college, I 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:04.040 need to figure out why you didn't. Especially if you 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.119 have those traits and then you didn't produce in college, 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:10.080 why was that the case? Um That gets tricky for 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:13.240 an evaluator, I think, but that's where I starts looking 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:16.000 for those really important traits at the position. So Peyton, 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.159 Turner Quitty Pay we cover the idea of if you 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:20.119 didn't produce in college, what can you do in the pros? 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:23.080 That reminds me of Jason away from Penn State. So 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.400