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Speaker 1: Great to see you. Thanks for having me, of course.

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Speaker 1: going on. Nothing is actually going on. The amount of

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Speaker 1: money they've spent on it, the amount of effort they've

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Speaker 1: put into it is very very small. Well, I no

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Speaker 1: one could let it be said that we don't air

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Speaker 1: a dissenting viewpoints. And Mick will be happy to welcome

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Speaker 1: you back on the show should this ever come back.

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Speaker 1: And we're going to continue to try and air all

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Speaker 1: sides of this thing. So thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: joining us and explaining it. I thought you did a

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Speaker 1: great job. Thank you very much. Absolutely join us now.

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Speaker 1: As to enlighten us with his latest wisdom is the

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Speaker 1: Funky Academic himself, Army oh Say from Pong Always great

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Speaker 1: to see you, Iromi, Good to see you, man, Thanks,

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Speaker 1: thanks for inviting me on. So I'm gonna go for

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Speaker 1: our four points. They're gonna be very short, and you're

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Speaker 1: gonna like a few of them, and you're gonna really

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Speaker 1: hate a lot of them, and that's just how life is.

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Speaker 1: That's why we have you on Iron. Hold on before

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Speaker 1: you jump in your four points, though, guys, go subscribe

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Speaker 1: to Army on YouTube Funky Academic because listen, like he

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Speaker 1: just said, you may love some of what he says.

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Speaker 1: You may hate some of what he says, but he's

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Speaker 1: always going to make you think, army, go ahead, what

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Speaker 1: you have to what you got for us, go ahead. Well,

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Speaker 1: so there are too. There's a theme in both the

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Speaker 1: Aposto Manifesto and this latest manifesto from the Guy in Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: and there's just this idea that like, they're trying to

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Speaker 1: take our way of life, and the knee jerk reaction

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Speaker 1: is like, no, no, no, democratic politics, they're not trying

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Speaker 1: to take your way of life. And I have to say,

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Speaker 1: if you think that you get to pick up a

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Speaker 1: gun and shoot people if your side doesn't win, and

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Speaker 1: that's part of your way of life, I am definitely

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Speaker 1: trying to take away your way of life. So like

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Speaker 1: the idea, like, yes, I am trying to invade that

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Speaker 1: quality of entitlement. And so we need to think of

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Speaker 1: politics as invasive. But there are proper ways to invade

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Speaker 1: in improper ways to invade. And there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of cons and like con artists who are out there

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Speaker 1: making a job out of telling people that you can

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Speaker 1: do good politics without being institutionally or personally invasive. And

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Speaker 1: I'm saying we need to just be invasive in smarter

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Speaker 1: ways and wiser ways. So there's this idea of the

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Speaker 1: great replacement, this notion that non political forces will change

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Speaker 1: America's way of life by changing the content of the electorate.

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Speaker 1: It's been a bipartisan political rhetoric for at least twenty years,

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Speaker 1: except when Democrats say it, they smile and say, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, demographics is destiny and that somehow magically, like

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Speaker 1: democratic majorities will emerge based on a force of nature,

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Speaker 1: not political wills kill a risk, but just magically democratic

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Speaker 1: majorities will emerge. And that's fine. That's a form of

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Speaker 1: lazy politics. And you can go ahead and put up

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Speaker 1: the the element that that I put that on the screen. Guys,

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Speaker 1: please about Oh apparently we'll add in post don't go ahead.

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Speaker 1: That's good. So yeah, and that's pretty much. There's a

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Speaker 1: book that's just saying like, don't worry about doing politics,

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Speaker 1: demographics will take care of you, and politics doesn't matter,

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Speaker 1: as in like talking to people and convincing them about

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Speaker 1: the role of government in their lives and what that means.

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Speaker 1: And you have to understand that if you're a conservative

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Speaker 1: who appreciates the American way of life as is or

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Speaker 1: at least who thinks it should be changed by political means,

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Speaker 1: not merely demographic shifts. Then you have to bring the

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Speaker 1: guns out, because this idea that demographics is destiny is

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Speaker 1: telling that they're telling you that politics doesn't matter, and

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Speaker 1: so terrorism becomes the only way to keep your way

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Speaker 1: of life and form of life. Now that's all. Let

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Speaker 1: me let me, let me just let me challenge you

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Speaker 1: and make sure I understand what you're saying, because we

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Speaker 1: do in theories, live in you know, a country that

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Speaker 1: has some responsiveness to the populace, some ability to make

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Speaker 1: changes without resorting to arms and violence and guns of terrorism.

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Speaker 1: So why then, is if you want to maintain things

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Speaker 1: the way that they are, why don't you do it

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Speaker 1: the way that Frankly, you know, the conservative business community

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Speaker 1: has been very effective at through their own sort of

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Speaker 1: like big money organizing direct lobbying of politicians. Why don't

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Speaker 1: you do it through that way, which has also been

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Speaker 1: extremely damaging but didn't involve direct violence versus you saying like, well,

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Speaker 1: then your own only option is terrorism. Right, Well, so,

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Speaker 1: if if the thesis that demographics is destiny is true,

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Speaker 1: if that actually held up, then your only option is terror.

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Speaker 1: But the problem that that thesis doesn't help hold up

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Speaker 1: because demographics don't make political people, and still American institutions do.

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Speaker 1: And we need to understand that demographics isn't destiny, nor

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Speaker 1: should it be right. And so I mean that's why,

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Speaker 1: I mean the argument's wrong. And obviously the arm violence,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's always wrong. But yeah, go ahead, right,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, the democratic arguments lazy and wrong. And but

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Speaker 1: if it were right, then I could imagine, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so we're not a political nation, We're a demographic nation,

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Speaker 1: like full of parochial ideologies. So so that yeah, so

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Speaker 1: violence is going to be the only way. But demographics

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Speaker 1: isn't destiny because people actually change their minds and that's

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Speaker 1: not how political visions are shaped, not through mere uh

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of tribal loyalties in that way, in

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Speaker 1: that obvious way. So demographics doesn't make Americans. Institutions do

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Speaker 1: like social and political institution, but institutions don't die like

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Speaker 1: people do. So as long as the traditional control of

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Speaker 1: cultural institutions holds an anti see property rights hold and

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Speaker 1: all of that stuff, it's not as if like the

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Speaker 1: browning of America will lead to a political shift. We'll

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Speaker 1: just get browner conservatives, right, or we'll call them swarthy.

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Speaker 1: That's sort of what's happening right now, right, right, right,

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Speaker 1: But like it makes sense, and I think that's I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's a problem, but it's a political problem, and it's

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Speaker 1: one that could be met through like you know, political

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Speaker 1: organizing and thinking through like in responsible ways or more

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Speaker 1: responsible ways than just the guns. So how do we

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Speaker 1: change that? Funny you should ask, right, So we need

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Speaker 1: that call that anti politics. We need to just name that.

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Speaker 1: The whole idea that demographics is destiny. That's anti politics.

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Speaker 1: And the panic that emerged out of that variety of

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Speaker 1: anti politics, the test panic, that's also anti politics, but

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Speaker 1: just in an obvious life. But there are other forms

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Speaker 1: of anti politics, and we need to get the rid

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Speaker 1: of them all now. In one form of anti politics,

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Speaker 1: which if you don't watch out that YouTube might engage in,

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Speaker 1: is this idea that we could have all of these

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Speaker 1: very popular programs and these universal programs that are popular,

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Speaker 1: but everybody believes in the program for different reasons and

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Speaker 1: to different ends, and the result is that you have

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Speaker 1: a coalition where nobody really can or should talk to

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Speaker 1: each other about why they believe in what they believe in,

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Speaker 1: because it's ultimately kind of vacuous, and the coalition can't

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Speaker 1: stand scrutiny because it's not held together by any sort

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Speaker 1: of like actual political holistic logic. And so you have

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Speaker 1: a coalition of political enemies who on some level are

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Speaker 1: kind of ignoring the fact that their enemies. And there's

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Speaker 1: a good example of this. There are a few examples

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Speaker 1: of this, but one is I think the UBI right

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Speaker 1: you can say, well, you know, UBI is very popular.

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Speaker 1: Both the leftists think it'll democratic democratize power, and the

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Speaker 1: landlords love it. Tech oligarchs love it, but they don't

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Speaker 1: like it for the same reason. The landlords and the

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Speaker 1: tech oligarchs like it because they don't think it'll democratize power.

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Speaker 1: They think it'll fatten up the lambs that then allow

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Speaker 1: the other side ultimately being too stupid to understand what

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Speaker 1: the policy means. And so that's why these kind of

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Speaker 1: coalitions around very superficial but universal popular programs that seem

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Speaker 1: to be universally popular aren't particularly strong. Programs. Can't the

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Speaker 1: programs themselves, though, change the institutions in the cultural values.

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Speaker 1: So for example, with universal health care. Obviously you have

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Speaker 1: people like me on the left who just say healthcare

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Speaker 1: should be a human right. Everyone should have access to it,

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Speaker 1: no if hands or butts. You might also have and

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Speaker 1: I saw Brionna talking about this recently, you might also

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Speaker 1: have a case the business community, which is very logical,

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Speaker 1: which says, listen, if you're a small business, you know,

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Speaker 1: making healthcare off the table makes it a lot easier

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Speaker 1: for you to compete with larger businesses because now you

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Speaker 1: don't have to worry about competing with this benefits package,

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Speaker 1: which is very difficult in owners if you're a small

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Speaker 1: business versus if you're a gigantic corporation. So they may

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Speaker 1: support it for a different reason, and that let's say,

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Speaker 1: you know, in my fantasy world that ends up getting

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Speaker 1: universal health care through doesn't that then fundamentally invest American

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Speaker 1: people in the idea that in fact, everyone does deserve

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Speaker 1: these basic human rights and that that's a sort of

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Speaker 1: bedrock foundation of society. And the same way that you know,

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Speaker 1: once we had Social Security, there was kind of an

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Speaker 1: inevitability to even though it was you know, it was

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Speaker 1: more narrowly, you know, basically didn't help a lot of

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Speaker 1: people to start with, it continues to expand to more

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Speaker 1: completely encompass the American populace because we buy into this

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Speaker 1: idea that old people shouldn't be starving and dying in

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Speaker 1: their senior years. So the business community is going to

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Speaker 1: come back and say, there might be a problem when

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Speaker 1: we give everyone health care, but we have a hard

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Speaker 1: time getting employees because now they don't have to work

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Speaker 1: for us because of the benefits. So we're gonna it's

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Speaker 1: going to be qualified. It's going to be universal health care,

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Speaker 1: but qualified, and you're betting against the business community being

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Speaker 1: able to do that. Right, So the business community is betting, well,

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Speaker 1: this will be good for our business because we'll be

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Speaker 1: able to have smaller well, we'll be able to hire

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Speaker 1: more people and it'll be cheaper to hire them, and

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Speaker 1: it'll be good for our business. But as soon as

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Speaker 1: it turns bad for our business, we can turn it off.

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Speaker 1: We can turn off the spicket. And you're betting that

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Speaker 1: they won't be able to turn off the spicket, and

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Speaker 1: they're betting that there will be able to turn off

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Speaker 1: the spicket. And so like this is one of those

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Speaker 1: cases where both people have they have mutually exclusive visions

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Speaker 1: about what this good means, and they're betting on each

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Speaker 1: other being wrong and who's going to ultimately control the

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Speaker 1: consequences of it. Yeah, but ultimately at least you got

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Speaker 1: universal healthcare and you're in a stronger position to fight

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Speaker 1: continue to fight for it, right, right, right, And yeah,

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Speaker 1: so like we just can't talk about how I think

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Speaker 1: that the business community is actually wrong about its ability

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Speaker 1: to massage it to to to hold over employees head.

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Speaker 1: So that's I mean, that's what that's that's how these

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Speaker 1: coalitions are held together. And that might be a problem,

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Speaker 1: but and that's there's a contrasting case, for example, the

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Speaker 1: stock congressional stock trading. Everyone who believes that congressional stock

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Speaker 1: trading should not be a thing pretty much believes it

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Speaker 1: for the same reason. It's a relatively small potatoes issue.

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Speaker 1: But at least there's kind of a really there's a

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Speaker 1: real like political unity to what's going on. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: so we have to take that seriously and see that

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Speaker 1: as like the virtue of actually doing really politics where

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Speaker 1: people actually not just in the top level good, but

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Speaker 1: the reason that the good should be supported. And so

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Speaker 1: you could actually build a strong coalition around that that

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Speaker 1: could sustain some scrutiny. So two points right there. So

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Speaker 1: what the anti politics of depending on demographic or superficial

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Speaker 1: university policy takes us from is the project of actually

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Speaker 1: thinking through the conditions of democratic self governance. Right, So,

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Speaker 1: if like just going after what's popular, or just going

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Speaker 1: after or just assuming that demographics will do the work

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Speaker 1: for you as a substitute for actually doing politics, allows

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Speaker 1: you to not actually think about what we need to

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Speaker 1: do politics, as in, what kind of access do congressional

647
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Speaker 1: candidates need to actually vy for office? Right, So it's

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Speaker 1: going to be kind of institutionally invasive from the top down,

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Speaker 1: and so far as if we're serious about having a

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Speaker 1: democracy or some sort of representative governance structure, politicians need

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Speaker 1: to have access to the people. I know you ran

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Speaker 1: for Congress a few years ago. It would have been

653
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Speaker 1: a lot easier had you had some sort of guaranteed

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00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: like media time and also attention. Right. So, if we're

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Speaker 1: serious about self government more than we're serious about other

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Speaker 1: aspects of our society, then we need to prioritize what

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Speaker 1: it takes to get candidates in front of people and

658
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Speaker 1: at each other in front of people. And it's going

659
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Speaker 1: to feel invasive, both for the political candidates in a way,

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Speaker 1: but also for the people who now have to, you know,

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Speaker 1: not watch their favorite show because it's going to be

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Speaker 1: interrupted by our local commission debate candidate commission candidate debate. Right,

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Speaker 1: So we need to be comfortable with that quality of

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Speaker 1: invasiveness for the sake of self governance. Okay, so good

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Speaker 1: with that one. Good with that one. So this is

666
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Speaker 1: the one that's a little bit. I gotta prepare your

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Speaker 1: audience for it, because you're not going to be so

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Speaker 1: good with this one. So also, if you final, if

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Speaker 1: you're serious about realizing the politics of self governance, you

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Speaker 1: have to consider how social institutions uphold political projects. Right,

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Speaker 1: So we like to think of politics as something you do,

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Speaker 1: and then your family is something you do over here,

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Speaker 1: and then your job is something you do over here,

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Speaker 1: and then your school is something you do over here,

675
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Speaker 1: and your media is something you do over there. And

676
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: you could add them all together to get who you are,

677
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Speaker 1: and the same way you could add kind of grains

678
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Speaker 1: of sand and all of a sudden you get a beach.

679
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Speaker 1: But that's not how this works, and that's not Rather,

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Speaker 1: in each one of these acts and in each one

681
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Speaker 1: of these activities, the whole of you is realized. And

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Speaker 1: that means that each activity itself has to cohere with

683
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Speaker 1: the other activity, right, So you need matching jobs and

684
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Speaker 1: churches and family life and media. They can't be just

685
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: things that are distinct from each other. They have to

686
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Speaker 1: cohere if you're going to have a sense of yourself.

687
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Speaker 1: So instead of thinking of these different activities like grain

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Speaker 1: of sands or even organs in the body, where they

689
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Speaker 1: utually support each other but are ultimately different from each other,

690
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: you have to think of like family, society, politics, and

691
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Speaker 1: media as different forms of a triangle where one of

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Speaker 1: them's equal out to all the other ones. I saucely

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Speaker 1: the other in scaling, But they're all whole triangles, right,

694
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Speaker 1: and they have to make sense as different forms of

695
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Speaker 1: the same kind of thing. And this is important when

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Speaker 1: you talk about issues like say pro choice in pro life. Right,

697
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Speaker 1: there's this idea that we could fix the choice discourse

698
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Speaker 1: by just passing laws, But that's not the problem with

699
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Speaker 1: the problem. The political problem with choice politics right now

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Speaker 1: is the Catholic Church. Not just the Catholic Church, but

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Speaker 1: you know a lot of Protestants and just any sort

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Speaker 1: of religious identity that sees that as the priority of

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Speaker 1: their faith. Right. So that's the ultimate political problem with

704
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Speaker 1: choice legislation. We have to figure out a way to

705
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Speaker 1: massage the Catholic church or the evac aangelical church in

706
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Speaker 1: a way that supports choice politics. And you could do

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Speaker 1: that because you know, so do my ow as a Catholic.

708
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Speaker 1: So there are different ways to be Catholic. And you

709
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Speaker 1: can't just banish churches for a few reasons. You shouldn't

710
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Speaker 1: just banish churches. But we do have to be honest

711
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Speaker 1: about like, there's some ways of doing faith that are

712
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Speaker 1: inconsistent with democratic principles. And what do you think, what

713
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Speaker 1: do you think is the way that change happens within

714
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Speaker 1: a church? Well, you need to actually you go after

715
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Speaker 1: the seminaries. You got to go after the reproduction mechanism. Right,

716
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Speaker 1: So is it outside necessarily, but you could start what

717
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Speaker 1: you have to start seeding the seminaries. The right gets

718
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Speaker 1: all of this, which is very frustrating. You start seeding

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Speaker 1: the seminaries of liberation theology. I think in a well

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Speaker 1: loaded world, every dsa chapter in every should and every

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Speaker 1: locality should also seed a liberation theology church because you know,

722
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Speaker 1: there's liberation Islam, there's liberation June is So you should

723
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Speaker 1: also see the liberation theology church and also come up

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Speaker 1: with like an equivalent to focus on the family about

725
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Speaker 1: like what we do with nuclear families from a left perspective,

726
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Speaker 1: and how should the government support them and not support them,

727
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Speaker 1: and how do we support them as like a political project,

728
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Speaker 1: because you need a political you need social institutions that

729
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Speaker 1: uphold your political project. Right. So, and once again the

730
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Speaker 1: GP kind of knows this where they don't have to

731
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Speaker 1: really get out the vote as a political project what

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Speaker 1: they have as social institutions, and then the votes will

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Speaker 1: kind of bubble up from those social institutions and they

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Speaker 1: take the social institution seriously. The liberals don't believe in

735
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Speaker 1: social institutions, and that's that's that's a problem. But you

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Speaker 1: also see how this works out in American history in

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Speaker 1: terms of the doctrine of discovery. Right. So the doctrine

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Speaker 1: of discovery was started out Catholic, but it kind of

739
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: went around and it pretty much said that you could

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Speaker 1: discover any land that's not inhabited by Christians. Right, so

741
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Speaker 1: it's okay to take over land that's not inhabited by Christians,

742
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Speaker 1: and so what that ends up doing is legitimizing all

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Speaker 1: forms of political terrorism. And then it ends up in

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00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: Supreme Court documents right there are eighteen twenty three, there's

745
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Speaker 1: a there are the verdicts and judicial opinions that quote

746
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Speaker 1: and rely on the doctrine of discovery as like a

747
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: far a way of being right. And in order to

748
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Speaker 1: get rid of that, in order if you're actually going

749
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Speaker 1: to go out colonialism, you have to actually investigate and

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Speaker 1: transform like any sort of doctrine that's built on the

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Speaker 1: doctrine of discovery and that so that you can acknowledge

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Speaker 1: that the claims of don Christians to their land and

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Speaker 1: their way of life are actually legitimate, because as long

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Speaker 1: as they're delegitimized in the church, they can be delegitimized

755
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Speaker 1: politically because it all has to cohere as the realization

756
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Speaker 1: of the whole person or Unfortunately, we're out of time, man,

757
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Speaker 1: but I know you're going to have more videos on

758
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: your channel. Always something to think about. Got I've got

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Speaker 1: a lot to say, I think some longer things, but

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Speaker 1: we don't have time to get into it. Unfortunately. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: you joining us. As always the funky academic and subscribe.

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00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: Thanks dude, Thanks Ionan, good to see you. In times

763
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Speaker 1: of chaos, we can always count on the one and

764
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: only Bill Burg to sound off the reasonable take for

765
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Speaker 1: everybody involved. This time, he's tackling guns. Let's take a list. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm going in, I'm going on, I'm fucking Uh, it'll

767
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Speaker 1: be controversial on this one. I'm gonna solve the gun

768
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Speaker 1: problem in the United States of America right now. Uh,

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Speaker 1: why don't you, Why don't you just do it like

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Speaker 1: a pilot's license, you know what I mean, Like when

771
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Speaker 1: you get a gun, Like when you get like a

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Speaker 1: pilot's license. You know you're flying Cessna's or whatever. You

773
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Speaker 1: can't just go fucking fly in American Airlines jet You

774
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: gotta work your way up. You gotta get raided, you know.

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Speaker 1: I don't think if you get like a fucking gun license.

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Speaker 1: I think the first thing you should get, regardless of

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Speaker 1: your fucking age, is you get a little six shooter.

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Speaker 1: It's all they give you, or maybe one of those

779
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Speaker 1: little Saturday Nights special sets. You get a little one

780
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Speaker 1: shot thing. That's all the fuck you get, right, and

781
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: then as you work your way up to more and

782
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: more powerful guns, that could potentially do way more fucking damage.

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Speaker 1: You have to pass major, major psychological evaluation, and if

784
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Speaker 1: you do, the world is your oyster and you can

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Speaker 1: have whatever fucking weapon you want. How about that? Does

786
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Speaker 1: that work out for everybody? I wasn't saying take guns away.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't saying this, I wasn't saying that. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: talking about fucking gender neutral glocks, just saying, you know,

789
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Speaker 1: fucking lunatics, fucking lunatics. At some point, can can you

790
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: not make it easy for a fucking lunatic to do?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I want to talk about because it's

792
00:44:55,600 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: just it's so fucking overwhelmed. I can't fucking imagine all

793
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: of those people, what they what they what they're going through.

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Speaker 1: It's just and it's just I don't know, I don't know.

795
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Speaker 1: There's people still I don't know, just and I think

796
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: the left is fucking stupid because then they start yelling

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00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: at people on you know, on the right. Not saying

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Speaker 1: everybody in the right has a gun, not saying everybody

799
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Speaker 1: in the left doesn't like guns. I'm just saying, like

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Speaker 1: that this fucking thing where you just start yelling at

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00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: the other side, how about you just going, hey, what

802
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: if we do this? What if we you know, you know,

803
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Speaker 1: try to weed out the bad apples by doing this.

804
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: As long as you're not hey, hey, hey, as long

805
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Speaker 1: as you're not fucking crazy, We'll give you a fucking bazooka,

806
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: right and you can take it outside of your backyard

807
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Speaker 1: and go fucking shoot it something. I don't give a fuck.

808
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: Someone would have a problem with that. Oh that's a

809
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: way to control people, all right. I know how I

810
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: feel about that. I'm good with it. I'm curious how

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Speaker 1: you feel about it. I mean, look, I appreciate what

812
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: Bill's saying. I just think that we should obviously balance. Look,

813
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: the slippery slope is very real, like I pointed to

814
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Speaker 1: with Canada. But look, I also acknowledge that I'm not

815
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Speaker 1: in the majority here, like I know that. But the

816
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: slippery slope, the slippery slope is we've been we had

817
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Speaker 1: an assault weapons ban and we don't have any That's

818
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: the slope that we're sliding on. Sorts like less and

819
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: less and less and less. I think the red rag

820
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Speaker 1: one is a good example, which is that, Look, you

821
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Speaker 1: know the spirit of the red flag law definitely support

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Speaker 1: anytheah who stop Nicolas Cruz sounds great, but that it's

823
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Speaker 1: been used twenty two hundred times, is it always going

824
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Speaker 1: to be used correctly? I mean, I don't know. And

825
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Speaker 1: there's the thing. We don't actually have very well adjudicated

826
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Speaker 1: case law. You know we were talking about red Flag

827
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Speaker 1: has survived some challenges that has not been directly reviewed

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Speaker 1: yet by the Supreme Court. Yeah, but we also know

829
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Speaker 1: like the Supreme Court is going to do whatever their

830
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Speaker 1: ideological predisposition is. So I get sort of frustrated with

831
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Speaker 1: this whole, Like, let's go and analyze what the constitution

832
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: that we know that it's ultimately a political project at

833
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,240
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, So let's talk about what would actually

834
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Speaker 1: be good and then we can see what the ideologues

835
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Speaker 1: of the Supreme Court ultimately do with it. To me,

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Speaker 1: it's not crazy what Bill is saying there of like,

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Speaker 1: these are serious weapons. If you you know, are able

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Speaker 1: to pass a test of both like technical competence and

839
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Speaker 1: mental competence, go get whatever you want. AR fifteen. That's

840
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Speaker 1: not going to be a problem typically in the hands

841
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Speaker 1: of someone who's like responsible, capable, and mentally sound. But

842
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: it's a massive, you know, nineteen kids dead problem in

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Speaker 1: the hands of this eighteen year old who bought it

844
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Speaker 1: on as you know, basically his eighteenth birthday, who clearly

845
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: was deranged and had been issuing threats online and in Texas.

846
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Speaker 1: Even if someone had wanted to do something about it,

847
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Speaker 1: there was nothing they could do about it. Actually, I'm

848
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: much more in favor of the training and the safety

849
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: requirements because actually, so DC, for example, you want to

850
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 1: concealed care here, you actually have to go get a certification, right,

851
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, I don't think that's

852
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: a bad thing. Now, price is a problem, right? Which

853
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: is that? Then it also and I do think this

854
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: is an issue. It basically makes it so that the

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Speaker 1: only people who can get guns in DC or New

856
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Speaker 1: York City are rich people, and I don't think that's right.

857
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you could get one illegally. But then, as

858
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: we talked about, who are those gun charges always hit,

859
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: it's poor black guys mostly, and a lot of them

860
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: are frankly the people who need it in order to

861
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: defend themselves. So you consider that, But then you have

862
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: to look at it as I would balance the training

863
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: the safety element as long as those are not the

864
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: barriers to entry, because I do think that it's obvious

865
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: that you know, you should have some basic level of training,

866
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 1: you know, especially you're going to be carrying concealed carry

867
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: on your person. Yeah, Texas is the laws there are

868
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: very you know, they're very permissive whenever it comes to that.

869
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: So I think leaning in that direction and not infringing

870
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: on that and not even have like red flag Obviously

871
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: we could talk about specifics. I still think that it's

872
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: important to balance the civilibrity and just put anything to

873
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: prevent government overreach from in the future is where I'm

874
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: looking at it, and I don't think the training and

875
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: safety do that. I actually think they have the opposite.

876
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: I think I think, and just from like a public

877
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:07,479
Speaker 1: appetite perspective, I think if you pulled what he suggested there,

878
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: I think I'm sure, I'm sure. I think you'd get

879
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: a majority of Republicans and an overwhelming majority of Democrats

880
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: and independence, so you know, I mean, it's some of

881
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: these things have sort of been positive before, but I

882
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: did kind of like the way that he lated it. It

883
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: It was kind of an overarching framework that it tends

884
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: to me that also says like, oh listen, if you

885
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: get to that level, you like ascend the ranks and

886
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: have the requisite level of training and mental competence get

887
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: whatever you want. It's just, you know, you kind of

888
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: got to prove yourself and have some level of basic

889
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: mental sanity and capability with what you are purchasing in

890
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: order to be able to acquire it. I'm good at that.

891
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: At the very least, he made me laugh. At this point,

892
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: you probably know it's Pride month. It's not like you

893
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 1: can't go anywhere and not get bombarded by corporate propaganda,

894
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: and that includes apparently our very own United States Marine Corps.

895
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: Put this up there on the screen. US Marines say,

896
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 1: throughout the month of June, USMC takes pride in recognizing

897
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: and honoring the contributions of our LGBTQ service members. We

898
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: remain committed to fostering environment free from discrimination, defend all values.

899
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: And in this image for those who are just listening,

900
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: they have here a helmet which says proud to serve

901
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: written on it, five bullets on the back, and the

902
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: bullets themselves are rainbows. Now this is the physical and

903
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 1: embodiment the manifestation of the rainbow bombs mean which everybody

904
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 1: knows online where it's like a female pilot dropping Rainbow

905
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: and the Syrians or you know, other people are looking

906
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: up and oh, well, thank god they're inclusive bombs that

907
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: you know. And here's another one. Do you think they're trolling? Oh?

908
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 1: I think it's real, Like you don't think they don't

909
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: have any self awareness that this is a whole I

910
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: think the thing online, I think the top brass over

911
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: there is so delusional and so desp this is their

912
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: all in on identity politics, and unfortunately, I think that

913
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: this has become like a brain worm that's taken over

914
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: the very, very top echelons of the military. They would

915
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: they would did they not see what happened with the

916
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 1: CIA and their whole like ads that they put out.

917
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: They're like, I'm a whatever what I was like, I'm like,

918
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: I'm a sero yeah, and I'm the c Yeah. Well

919
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: the other one maybe, I don't know if this is

920
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: what you were going to Yeah. Pinkerton, uh, famous brutal

921
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: union Busters, some one of the most like nefarist, storied,

922
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: nefarious companies in American history. They had to get in

923
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: on the game too. First of all, they changed their

924
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: logo on Twitter to be rainbow flag. Oh my god,

925
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: And they say Pinkerton is proud to support and actively

926
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: recruit and hire from within the lgbt q I A

927
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: plus community, including but not limited to actively seeing full

928
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: and part time candidates through national and international hiring farms

929
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: that connect employers with LGB plus talent. So famous union busters,

930
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like the this is a tradition

931
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: now in terms of pride, Bump is just finding the

932
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: worst examples of total like, you know, the most soulless

933
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: corporate or government institutions wrapping themselves in the rainbow flag

934
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: to make it like what they do isn't completely evil

935
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: and atritious. You know what's interesting too, is somebody pointed

936
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 1: this out, which is that that image is famous because

937
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 1: it is the image of the helmet with something written

938
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: on it in the Five Bullets. That's an homage to

939
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 1: Full Metal Jacket, which, if you consider it, Full Metal

940
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: Jacket was an anti Vietnam War movie about how the

941
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: military establishment had lost its mind. It's like a crazy

942
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: weird thing in order. First of all, it's like you

943
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 1: know that movie of course, I mean glorified the Marine

944
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: Corps in some sense, but really just give you a

945
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: horrific view into like the institutional insanity of Vietnam and

946
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: what exactly that meant for the people who had to serve,

947
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: and just how horrific it was for so many of

948
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: these guys to have to even get thrown into this

949
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: mess in the first place. And it's like to have

950
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: an homage of that which at the time talked about

951
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: the insanity of the military establishment, what they're throwing people into.

952
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: You can't think of anything better. And you know, we

953
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 1: talk about this zeroess, no self awareness, and then we

954
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 1: consider it in the context of right after Memorial Day,

955
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: and what did we just play in our last show.

956
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: It was about Jon Stewart and the fact that he

957
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: and other activists, many US Marines, had to sleep next

958
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:35,720
Speaker 1: to burning piles of trash, excrement of waste of stuff

959
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: that LT on fire by jeft puel LT on fire

960
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: by jet fuel. It puts Ground zero to shame, some

961
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: of the stuff that these guys were inhaling, And just

962
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: like the victims of Ground zero had to suffer and

963
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: fight for every scrap of dollars in order to help them,

964
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: It's like that is the stuff that they should be

965
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: putting out there, you know. And anyway, look, it just

966
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: this is an easy way not to get criticized. I

967
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: guess at least you will be maybe by all us

968
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: about the mainstream you know, establishment or whatever looks at this.

969
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: It is like what you have a problem with that.

970
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: It's like, this isn't about gay rights or whatever. It's

971
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: about the actual embodiment of you can do this to

972
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: delay criticism against stuff that also really matters and that

973
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: you should care about. Yeah, it's about hiding your evil

974
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 1: doing cloaking it in you know, progressive values, when there

975
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: is nothing progressive or noble about your mission here, Pinkerton. Yes,

976
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 1: new report of yet another expensive big media failure. Let's

977
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: go ahead and put this one up on the screen.

978
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: It's a report from media, they say Rupert Murdoch paying

979
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 1: peers Morgan sixty three million dollars to reach only sixty

980
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: two thousand nightly viewers in Britain. According to reports. Let

981
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 1: me give you Sager a few more of these details.

982
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: He has apparently shed more than eighty percent of his

983
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: audience since launching on April twenty fifth. That late April

984
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 1: debut appears Morgan uncensored average three hundred and seventeen thousand viewers.

985
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: Still not amazing, but solid enough. On its eight pm

986
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: debut in the UK. Unfortunately for Morgan, that number dip

987
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: to sixty two thousand by May fourth and an abysmal

988
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: twenty four thousand viewers on May eighteenth. Now, their spin is,

989
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,439
Speaker 1: this is a global show and just looking at these

990
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: linear TV ratings in one market doesn't capture the whole influence.

991
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: So and they wanted to point to their digital footprint.

992
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: They want to try to play play Anara Waters over here. Yes,

993
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: but if you go and look at his YouTube presence,

994
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:40,240
Speaker 1: the show gets like ten thousand viewers, ten thousand streams

995
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: on their YouTube channel. I'd say it. You know, I

996
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: love Peers, I always have. But he was best at

997
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: where he was. He was the heel on Good Morning Britain.

998
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: He was great at that job. You know, it was

999
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: like the flagship show and there was always sparks flying,

1000
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: and you know, he was always able. He was like

1001
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: the you know, the conservative heeler whatever. And I just

1002
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: it look failed for a reason over at CNN. You

1003
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: remember that show. What a disaster? Uh? And here I

1004
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: think it just misses the magic of obviously the debate show.

1005
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 1: I actually think he was great as like the curmudgeon

1006
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: on Morning television. This puts him more within primetime. But also, look,

1007
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: I mean I don't one hundred percent understand this exact venture,

1008
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 1: but I know that there's some licensing problems in terms

1009
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: of the type of eyeballs that the markets in the

1010
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 1: UK are much more highly regulated to, like the top

1011
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: three news channels and avel. So it's pretty hard in

1012
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 1: order to break in start something new already from scratch.

1013
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: And like I said, I mean, Pierce, look like you

1014
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: want to play with the if you want to play

1015
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,919
Speaker 1: with us out here in the independent internet sphere, don't

1016
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: be dropping lines like total eyeball potential for a global

1017
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: show like this. For younger viewers, you don't watch TV

1018
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: anymore when you're only putting up ten k views on Yeah,

1019
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: you're gonna because that's the thing is we can we

1020
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: can see what you're doing. Well we are also we

1021
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: also understand the economics of that. And it's like, dude,

1022
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: ten thousand views on you. I mean, do you want

1023
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: to know how much money intend that view video on

1024
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,959
Speaker 1: YouTube makes? Like I don't know, less than hundred dollars

1025
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: and I'm sure his salary alone, right exactly. I mean,

1026
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: you're not gonna come close to sixty three million. Forget it.

1027
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's like, look at the balance sheet here, folks,

1028
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: not we're gonna I mean, I just say I do

1029
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: think it's it's sort of like another CNN plus kind

1030
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: of thing where you've got, you know, a medium mogul

1031
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: thinks he knows what is gonna what's gonna sell, and

1032
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: what's worth investing tens of millions of dollars into, and

1033
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: the market just rejects it. I mean, he's across multiple platforms.

1034
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: It's not just in the UK. He's also on what

1035
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: is Fox this thing? Fox Nation? Is that what their

1036
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: thing is called. He's also on there, which you'll never

1037
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: know what those streaming numbers are, but from what we

1038
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: can see publicly available, and his channel on YouTube too.

1039
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: I spent some time taking a look at it. It's

1040
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: really irritating to me because most of his videos will

1041
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: get like five thousand views, eight thousand views, maybe twenty

1042
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: thousand views, and then he'll have one video that'll get

1043
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,439
Speaker 1: like hundreds of thousands of views, and you know that's

1044
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: all just the YouTube algorithm. Whenever you see these channels

1045
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: that most of the videos are like getting next to nothing,

1046
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: and then one thing that goes super viral. That's all

1047
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: just YouTube basically like forcing people to watch the content.

1048
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: So he's apparently benefiting. Well, remember what was that guy's name,

1049
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: Carlos something, Carlo the OZI man was his name. I

1050
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: don't even remember. I don't want to miss I don't

1051
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: want to say the wrong thing. I keep want to

1052
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: say Carlos Slim. But I'm pretty sure that's that's definitely

1053
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: not that's a Mexican billion. Hold on, hold on, you

1054
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: keep talking. I'll look at it. Okay, all right, caryls Watts,

1055
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: carl watch from Ozie who would pay all these people

1056
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: like fake like click farms to give him videos with

1057
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: like over a million views on YouTube? But then you

1058
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: would look and it would have like two like like

1059
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: one hundred comments, like fifty comments, right, and you're like

1060
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: you and I like, we know, like when you get

1061
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: a video like a million, it's gonna have a ton

1062
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: of comments, like a lot of engagement, up votes. Also

1063
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: missing all of that completely. I was like, yeah, this

1064
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: is completely fake. That's so true. And the other thing

1065
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: that Pierce had going for him is remember he had

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Speaker 1: I don't remember if we covered it here or not.

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Speaker 1: The interview he did with Trump. Oh yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: So he apparently he misedited that too. To me, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he kind of like and he basically admitted to misleading

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Speaker 1: mount of the interview to try to like Git operatings

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Speaker 1: an interest in this in this interview with the former president.

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Speaker 1: So he's had and he's had other very high level

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Speaker 1: prominent politicians and guests, but has it worked out so far? Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: Here is his latest effort. Let's get to it. Hey there,

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Speaker 1: my name is James Lee. Welcome to another segment of

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Speaker 1: fifty one forty nine on Breaking Points, and today I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Form,

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Speaker 1: not the conspiracies and such. Although I do think we

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Speaker 1: all love a good conspiracy from time to time, but

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Speaker 1: in many cases I find the truth to be much

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Speaker 1: more frightening than the conspiracy because it's on folding more

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Speaker 1: or less in plain sight, right before our very eyes. No, value.

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Speaker 1: That stated, if you go back fifty years do the

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Speaker 1: time when the Forum was conceived. The whole idea was

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Speaker 1: to make the multi stakeholder concept come alive. So what

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Speaker 1: is this multi stakeholder concept that the World Economic Form

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Speaker 1: and its chairman Klaud Schwab have been championing for decades. Well.

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Speaker 1: The term is derived from stakeholder capitalism, a form of

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Speaker 1: capitalism in which companies do not only optimize short term

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Speaker 1: profits for shareholders, but seek long term value creation by

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Speaker 1: taking into account the needs of all their stakeholders, such

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Speaker 1: as customers, suppliers, employees, communities, and society at large. Now,

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Speaker 1: the idea of stakeholder capitalism might sound incredibly appealing given

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Speaker 1: the devastating results stemming from corporate commitment to maximizing shareholder

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Speaker 1: value over the last half century. Analysis from Forbes magazine quote,

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Speaker 1: while mSv maximization of shareholder value delivered a gargantuan transfer

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Speaker 1: of assets to the existing owners of shares, it didn't

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Speaker 1: deliver for the rest of society. The best analysts could

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Speaker 1: see that mSv was a toxic mix of soaring short

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Speaker 1: term corporate profits astronomic executive pay that led to stagnant

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Speaker 1: median incomes, growing inequality, periodic massive financial crashes, declining corporate

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Speaker 1: life expectancy, slowing productivity, declining rates of return on assets,

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Speaker 1: and overall a widening distrust in business. So someone up

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Speaker 1: Capitalism is badly in need of a pr overhaul, and

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Speaker 1: Claud Schwab's World Economic Form is equal to the task.

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Speaker 1: We have some means to improve the states of surroundy,

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Speaker 1: but two conditions are necessary. So Phil stluann Is said

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Speaker 1: to we act all as stakeholders of larger communities, yourself,

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Speaker 1: not our only self interests, but reself the community. That's

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Speaker 1: what we call stakeholder responsibility. And second, so we collaborate.

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Speaker 1: And this is the reason why you find many opportunities

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Speaker 1: here during some meeting to engage into very action and

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Speaker 1: impact oriented initiatives. That was a clip of Klaud Schwab's

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Speaker 1: opening remarks at the World Economic Forms Annual Meeting in

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Speaker 1: Davos just a couple of weeks ago, once again laying

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Speaker 1: out publicly his stakeholder capitalist agenda for everyone to see

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Speaker 1: and the way the World Economic Form see Stakeholder capitalism

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Speaker 1: is through a range of quote multi stakeholder partnerships bring

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Speaker 1: together the private sector aka for profit, businesses, government, and

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Speaker 1: civil society across the international community for the betterment of

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Speaker 1: the planet and the people who live on the planet. Now,

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Speaker 1: once again, that sounds warm and fuzzy, doesn't it The

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Speaker 1: idea of multi stakeholder capitalism, the public and the private

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Speaker 1: sector coming together to quote improve the state of the world,

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Speaker 1: which just so happens to be the motto of the

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Speaker 1: World Economic Form. But something to think about here is,

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Speaker 1: are these stakeholders created equal Business leaders wanting to participate

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Speaker 1: in we're pay between sixty thousand and six hundred thousand dollars,

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Speaker 1: while everyone else, including heads of state, media celebrities, and

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Speaker 1: civil society leaders get free entry. So let's not beat

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Speaker 1: around the bush here. We have an annual meeting bringing

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Speaker 1: together prominent stakeholders from both the public and private sectors,

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Speaker 1: but only one group is funding the entire event. Wouldn't

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Speaker 1: that not create an obtuse incentive structure akin to lobbying. Right,

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Speaker 1: one group of stakeholders is entirely profit driven, beholden to

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Speaker 1: no country or community in particular, paying for access to

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Speaker 1: another group of stakeholders who happen to be responsible for

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Speaker 1: drafting and passing legislation within their respective countries, Ian Weck

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Speaker 1: writes in Open Democracy, an online independent journal quote. Instead

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Speaker 1: of corporations serving many stakeholders, in the multi stakeholder model

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Speaker 1: of global governance, corporations are promoted to being official stakeholders

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Speaker 1: in global decision making, while governments are relegated to being

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Speaker 1: one of many stakeholders. In practice, corporations become the main stakeholders,

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Speaker 1: while governments take a backseat role and civil society is

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Speaker 1: mainly window dressing. A little frightening, but not a conspiracy.

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Speaker 1: It's an idea openly discussed by the participants of the

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Speaker 1: World Economic Form. What continues. The plan from which the

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Speaker 1: Great Reset originated was called the Global Redesign Initiative, drafted

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Speaker 1: by the World Economic Form after the two thousand eight

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Speaker 1: economic crisis. The initiative contains a six hundred page report

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Speaker 1: on transforming global governance in the World Economic Forms vision quote,

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Speaker 1: the government voice would be one among many, without always

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Speaker 1: being the final arbiter. Now that's the reset, A reframing

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Speaker 1: of global capitalism to convince us that corporations and other

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Speaker 1: privately funded special interest groups and foundations have the answers

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Speaker 1: for all of world's problems and thus should play a

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Speaker 1: huge role in dictating the direction of global society, and

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Speaker 1: that we should trust them to fix everything that's wrong

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Speaker 1: with the world, whether it be inequality, geopolitical turmoil, the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: or climate change, a noble sounding effort, never mind the

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Speaker 1: obvious that the World Economic Forms vision of multi stakeholder

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Speaker 1: governments by definition, must give corporations more power by putting

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Speaker 1: unelected stakeholders in positions of power to make decisions that

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Speaker 1: greatly impact global society, while diminishing the role of democratically

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Speaker 1: elected governments. Even putting that aside, there is little to

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Speaker 1: no evidence that public private partnerships have any positive effect

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Speaker 1: on society. In fact, the contrary, citing an Oxvan report

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Speaker 1: from twenty nineteen, Recent academic studies and reviews have found

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Speaker 1: mixed evidence on learning outcomes in education PPPs it's public

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Speaker 1: private partnerships and no evidence that they consistently perform better

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Speaker 1: than public schools. Studies have also raised strong and consistent

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Speaker 1: concerns about the impact of education PPPs on inequality and

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Speaker 1: socioeconomic segregation. One study of seventeen countries found that in

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Speaker 1: the majority of countries PPP schools are reinforcing social disparities

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Speaker 1: by disproportionately serving students in upper income quintiles. Not all

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Speaker 1: that surprising given the fundamental reason why a for profit

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Speaker 1: institution exists in the first place. Quote. PPPs are used

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Speaker 1: to conceal public borrowing while providing long term state guarantees

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Speaker 1: for profits to private companies. Private sector corporations must maximize

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Speaker 1: profits if they are to survive. This is fundamentally incompatible

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Speaker 1: with protecting the environment and ensuring universal access to quality

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Speaker 1: public services. And this is the scary part. Year after year,

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Speaker 1: billionaires like Bill Gates will use the World Economic Form

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Speaker 1: as a platform to preach altruism without any kind of

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Speaker 1: pushback and pretend to fight inequality through multi stakeholder capitalism

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Speaker 1: and public private partnerships while continuing to enrich themselves. Well.

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Speaker 1: The primary focus of the Bill Melinda Gates Foundation is

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Speaker 1: to improve health equity. That's what Melinda and I picked

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Speaker 1: back in the year two thousand where we first got going,

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Speaker 1: and partnerships with company like Pfiser have been key to

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Speaker 1: the progress we've made. And for example, Goby got started

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Speaker 1: actually announced here at Dabbos. Yes, let's talk about Gabby

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Speaker 1: for a second. The Public Private Global Vaccine Alliance CO

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Speaker 1: leading Kovacs, which is supposed to be this kind of

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Speaker 1: groundbreaking global collaboration to accelerate the development, production and equitable

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Speaker 1: access to COVID nineteen test treatments in vaccines, and just

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Speaker 1: to be fair to them, the COVID nineteen vaccine distribution

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Speaker 1: was obviously a very challenging environment with the entire world

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Speaker 1: needing vaccines at the same time. But the truth is,

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Speaker 1: as put by Sophie Harmon, professor of International politics at

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Speaker 1: the Queen Mary University of London, quote, if your problem

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Speaker 1: is you want to have affordable vaccines around the world

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Speaker 1: to cover the majority of the world, then the solution

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Speaker 1: would be free licensing or compulsory licensing. Kovax doesn't do that,

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Speaker 1: she explained. It feels like it's the kind of excuse saying, yes,

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Speaker 1: we're doing equitable vaccines. We got kovacs. Look at it

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Speaker 1: rolling out in Ghana. Isn't this a great success? Right? Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: not complicated nor opaque. The former an intellectual property waiver,

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Speaker 1: would once again necessarily impact the bottom line profits of

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Speaker 1: the major vaccine manufacturers like Pfizer and Maderna, while the

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Speaker 1: latter gives the illusion that Kovax is part of the

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Speaker 1: solution when it's actually part of the problem. Once again

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Speaker 1: not claiming that KOVACS did nothing. It certainly did something,

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Speaker 1: but not much. According to Doctors Without Borders, today only

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Speaker 1: ten percent of people in low income countries have received

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Speaker 1: at least one COVID nineteen vaccine dose, compared to seventy

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Speaker 1: seven percent in high income countries, and they can't do

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Speaker 1: much because public private partnerships like KOVACS must operate within

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Speaker 1: the confines of a pree defined set of parameters that

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Speaker 1: cannot be breached, meaning that the partnership cannot encroach or

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Speaker 1: infringe on the interests of the sponsoring corporation or private interests.

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Speaker 1: The same goes for ESG, which stands for environment, Social

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Speaker 1: and Governance, another pillar of stakeholder capitalism, promulgated by the

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Speaker 1: World Economic Form as the private sector solution to addressing

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Speaker 1: climate change, except that it's a huge scam. Citing a

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Speaker 1: CNBC article, BlackRock's former sustainable investing chief now thinks ESG

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Speaker 1: is a dangerous placebo to wik fancy. BlackRock's first global

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Speaker 1: Chief investment officer for Sustainable Investing argued that financial institutions

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Speaker 1: have an obvious motivation to push for ESG products given

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Speaker 1: these have higher fees, which then improves their profits. But

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Speaker 1: there are other issues with ESG investing, according to Fancy,

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Speaker 1: including their subjectivity and the unreliability of data and ratings

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Speaker 1: that are constantly changing. For example, Elon Musk's electric vehicle

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Speaker 1: company Tesla being booted from the S and P five

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Speaker 1: hundred ESG index, while defense contractors like Lockheed Martin use

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Speaker 1: their ESG placement to launder the branding of profiting off war.

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Speaker 1: And my point here is no matter how socially sensitive

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Speaker 1: a large multinational business like Blackrock may publicly project themselves

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Speaker 1: to be, they can't actually deviate much from what they

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Speaker 1: were built to do, which is wealth accumulation above all else,

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Speaker 1: and thus there cannot be any other outcome other than

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Speaker 1: exploitation and oppression. Perhaps most frightening of all, the forums

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Speaker 1: leaders have made it a top priority to ensure that

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Speaker 1: Davos maintains its status as the perennial get together of

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Speaker 1: the one percent, to cosplay as fixers of inequality, and

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Speaker 1: to pontificate about the problems of the world, which, by

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Speaker 1: the way, they have a big part in causing and

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Speaker 1: also benefiting from, without any scrutiny from the mainstream media. Whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: And I mentioned our names like local even Vladimir Putin

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Speaker 1: and so on, say all have been young global leaders

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Speaker 1: of saviold economic foom. But what we are very proud

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Speaker 1: of now is a young generation like Prime Minister Trudeau,

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Speaker 1: President of Argentina and so on. So if we penetrate

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Speaker 1: the cabinets, penetrating governments to adopt your agenda doesn't sound

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Speaker 1: all too altruistic or democratic, but it's all about the

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Speaker 1: out of the sale right of getting people to adopt

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Speaker 1: a tyrannical ideology masquerading around as multi stakeholder capitalism. And

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Speaker 1: if we think about this a little deeper, the word

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Speaker 1: salad that is Davos year after year, a regurgitation of

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Speaker 1: amorphic words and nebulous ideas that mean nothing at all,

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Speaker 1: like this year's theme of working together to Regain Trust,

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Speaker 1: is nothing more than a gradual, sustained and most importantly,

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Speaker 1: an effective encroachment that has shifted policy making from democratically

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Speaker 1: elected leaders and governments into the hands of an unelected

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Speaker 1: global cadre of corporate executives and billionaires. And that future

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Speaker 1: is truly terrifying. That's all for me this time. I

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed today's discussion about Klaud Schwab and the

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Speaker 1: sinister motives behind Davos and the World Economic form. If

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Speaker 1: you'd like to know more about this topic and many others,

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