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Speaker 1: Matter up. Welcome to No Bunts, the show for the

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Speaker 1: casual baseball fan on the Athletic Network. I'm tas Mellie

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Speaker 1: with me. Through the power of technology, is JD making

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Speaker 1: fitting the coronavirus. It is relentless. It's causing some issues.

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Speaker 1: It may be novel, but it is everywhere. So apologies

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Speaker 1: if this sounds a little bit different, but no one

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Speaker 1: will want to hear from me today anyways, because we

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Speaker 1: have an incredible guest with us, Jason Stark, baseball writer

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Speaker 1: for the Athletic and host of the Starkville Podcast, part

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Speaker 1: of the Athletic MLB Show. He's been writing for baseball

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Speaker 1: for about forty years. We've got him on this day

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Speaker 1: that we've had a huge trade deadline. The Hall Fain

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Speaker 1: ninety three World Series, so we'll get to that. A

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Speaker 1: pleasure to have you on on this day. Jason, Thank

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Speaker 2: For joining us, tadd it is a pleasure to be

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Speaker 2: here and an honor to be here. Thanks for inviting me.

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Speaker 1: No, I listened to you on the pod all the time.

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Speaker 1: You and Doug do a great job and we're very

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Speaker 1: lucky to have you on here. Before we get into

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Speaker 1: the trade deadline, a sad day because we lost a

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Speaker 1: legend on Tuesday, legendary Dodgers broadcaster Vince Scully passed away

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Speaker 1: at the age of ninety four. The best storyteller I know,

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Speaker 1: Scully brought life to those Dodgers broadcasts for sixty seven

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Speaker 1: seasons from nineteen fifty to twenty sixteen. Jason, your thoughts

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Speaker 2: Had a lot of thoughts on this, Taz, because Vin

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Speaker 2: legend even doesn't even begin to describe right Vin Scully.

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Speaker 2: You know, a few years back, when I was still

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Speaker 2: think about this, who else in our lifetime, Maybe anyone's

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Speaker 1: By the Queen, But Queen Sure who.

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Speaker 2: Has done what Vin Scully has done in a way

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Speaker 1: It is, and such a pure spirit of the game,

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Speaker 1: you did on Vin, because everything that you write we

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Speaker 1: read here on the No Bunts, No Dunks Network. That's

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Speaker 1: So that's what we do here. I won't ask you

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Speaker 1: trade deadline, and let's start with one Soto, the twenty

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Speaker 1: three year old superstar. It happened. It happened. He went

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Speaker 1: to the Padres the future Hall of famer as everyone

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Speaker 1: Let me put it to you simply, Jason, you said

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Speaker 1: So simply put, why is the Wan Soto trade so

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I actually have a longer story about that today

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Speaker 2: I know this will shock you, but I really did look. Oh,

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Speaker 2: SODA's got one hundred and nineteen career homers. You know what,

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Speaker 1: That was Roberto Alomar, right, Roberto Alomar is correct. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 2: That never happens. I honestly don't remember anything like that.

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Speaker 2: you never get enough. So with that in mind, it's

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Speaker 1: Yes, they went from the Washington Nationals did, from the

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Speaker 2: Yeah? That World Series was It was what a little

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Speaker 2: You know, hey, Washington's a wonderful place to live. I

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Speaker 1: baseball fan because I see the stats, I see the

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Speaker 1: storylines of these teams, like the Baltimore Orioles, you know,

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Speaker 1: sort of on a parallel the Seattle Mariners, who obviously

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Speaker 1: went for it. I just, you know, going into August second,

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Speaker 1: I just expected more teams to go for it. But

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Speaker 1: as you said, yeah, teams are thinking on different timelines

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Speaker 1: and different a different way than I guess the Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Padres obviously were thinking because their time is now.

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Speaker 1: I suppose with them absolutely going forward it. They also

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Speaker 1: added Brandon Jury from the Reds, who's a utility guy.

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Speaker 1: I know our Eno Saris has projected them now as

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Speaker 1: a top five team using his formula. So in your opinion,

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Speaker 1: are they a top five team? Are they a serious contender?

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Speaker 1: Are they on the same level with the Dodgers now?

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Speaker 2: I don't think they're on the same level with the

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Speaker 2: Dodgers because the Dodgers are just so deep and can

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Speaker 2: feature so many different ways. But the Padres they're right there.

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Speaker 2: There's not really an area of defined weakness on their team,

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Speaker 2: other than maybe the bottom of the roster. But the

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Speaker 2: rotation is leading the league in quality starts, so they

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Speaker 2: don't lack for starting pitching. Their bullpen now has the

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Speaker 2: most dominating closer whoever lived in Josh Hater. The middle

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Speaker 2: of their order once Fernando Tatis Junior comes back, will

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Speaker 2: have Soto tattoos and Manny Machado, who can all do

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Speaker 2: damage against good pitching. Heck, they're all say headed for

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Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame if they keep doing what they're doing.

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Speaker 2: Does that sound like a World Series team to you?

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Speaker 2: It does to me. You know. The one issue is

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Speaker 2: they're still in a position right now where in the

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Speaker 2: first round they have to play a best of three

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Speaker 2: against the Braves all on the road, and I mean

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Speaker 2: that that's a like to go for it and find

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Speaker 2: yourself in that position is a little frightening. But all

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Speaker 2: the guys we mentioned, they're all back next year, so

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Speaker 2: their future is really bright.

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Speaker 1: I guess. I live in Atlanta, so I saw what

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Speaker 1: happened last year. I saw that second half run and

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Speaker 1: if this was twelve months ago, right after the trade deadline,

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Speaker 1: no one would have expected the Braves to do what

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Speaker 1: they did. And although a three game set in one

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Speaker 1: ball one team's ballpark is yeah, it's daunting, I do

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Speaker 1: love the fact that there is an expanded playofform and

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Speaker 1: an expanded first round. Anything could happen. So I am

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Speaker 1: looking yeah.

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Speaker 2: Like, hey, you know, one of the things that I

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Speaker 2: think I came away with from the deadline is, you know,

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Speaker 2: the good teams almost all got better, and there's such

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Speaker 2: there's such a class system now in Major League Baseball

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Speaker 2: where you have this group of eight, nine, ten teams

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Speaker 2: that are all potentially really good. There are a lot

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Speaker 2: of teams that could win the World Series. Then there's

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Speaker 2: this huge drop off to so many other teams in

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Speaker 2: the sport, especially the teams that's sold off yesterday. But

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Speaker 2: there are if I look at the two leagues, there

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Speaker 2: are multiple teams in each league who could win the

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Speaker 2: World Series. So October is going to be really fun.

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Speaker 1: And just to follow up before we take a quick break,

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Speaker 1: is are the Brewers in that second class? Because they

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Speaker 1: are leading there to be but they did give up

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Speaker 1: Josh Hater, I know you're perplexed by it, and I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm just confused seeing a team on top of the

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Speaker 1: division and what they did well.

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Speaker 2: They're still going to run a closer out there and

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Speaker 2: Devin Williams, who I think is up to what thirty

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Speaker 2: scoreless outings in a row something in that neighborhood. So

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Speaker 2: assuming Freddy Peralta comes back and he's what he was,

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Speaker 2: you know, they're not gonna be a fun team to

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Speaker 2: face in the postseason. They'll be a tough out. But

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Speaker 2: are they a World Series team now? I don't see it.

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Speaker 2: They're still offensively challenged. The scariest part of their team

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Speaker 2: is diminished. You know, they're in position to contend now

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Speaker 2: for multiple years and that was part of what they

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Speaker 2: were up to. I understand that that's the thinking, but

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Speaker 2: they took a step back and I'm still I'm not

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Speaker 2: even convinced that they're gonna win a division because the

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Speaker 2: Cardinals look like a playoff team to be too, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they went after it yesterday. We got to

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Speaker 1: take a quick break, Jason. So on the other side,

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Speaker 1: a little bit more of the quirky stuff that we

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Speaker 1: like to talk about here, Yes, perfect, right in your wheelhouse.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back with Jason Stark. We're back with

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Speaker 1: Jason Stark of the Athletic all of your experience. Jason,

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Speaker 1: I've got just just, you know, a quirky random question,

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Speaker 1: because you know, we like to sort of peg guys

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Speaker 1: in these particular baseball sort of cubbies, these baseball holes.

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Speaker 1: I want to know the ultimate utility player that comes

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Speaker 1: to mind when I say because because I mentioned Brandon

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Speaker 1: Dreury there from the Reds, and I guess that's what

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Speaker 1: he's going to be doing for the Padres. But you know,

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Speaker 1: back back when I was watching more baseball, I thought

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Speaker 1: Tony Phillips was the the ultimate utility guy, and that's

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Speaker 1: that's what he was. Is there a guy like that?

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Speaker 1: And and throughout the history of MLB, is there one

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Speaker 1: that you know jumps to your mind? Because I'm gonna try.

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Speaker 1: No matter what you say, he will now become my

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Speaker 1: ultimate baseball utility guy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, before I answer this question, what what got you

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Speaker 2: thinking of this one? Brandon Drury thinking on deadline day

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Speaker 2: by Brandon Drury? Is that what the deal was? So?

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know he was a former j I

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Speaker 1: actually had no idea it went fast. Okay, no, because

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Speaker 1: because he got, you know, thrown into the padres, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a particular position for him

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Speaker 1: with the padres. I thought he would be sort of

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Speaker 1: bouncing around. Uh yeah, yeah, so but he doesn't classify

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Speaker 1: he does he doesn't meet the utility player.

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Speaker 2: Ultimate, the ultimate utility player. All right. The other question is,

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Speaker 2: I guess how are we defining utility player? Was Babe

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Speaker 2: Ruth utility player? Wow? You pitched, you played the outfield.

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Speaker 2: I know they threw him at first base every once

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Speaker 2: in a while.

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Speaker 1: You Oh no, no, no, I couldn't. I couldn't. You couldn't, right,

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Speaker 1: you could? I don't know, I thought. I guess, I

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Speaker 1: guess that's not a category anymore, not that it was

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Speaker 1: a category, but like just somebody who didn't have, I guess,

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Speaker 1: a permanent position and maybe that doesn't exist.

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Speaker 2: Craig Bigio was not a utility player. I know you

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Speaker 2: went to catcher to second, to center to left, but

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Speaker 2: it's not like he was playing all of those at

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Speaker 2: the same time. Yeah, I guess I think that that's

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Speaker 2: your definition.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 2: Tony Phillips was a great name because he was the

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Speaker 2: first super utility player that I remember who played that

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Speaker 2: many positions that well and was a regular player without

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Speaker 2: a position. But the ultimate superutility player has got to

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Speaker 2: be Ben Zobrist. I had a season with the Rays

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Speaker 2: where he played first, second, third, and short and left

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Speaker 2: and center and right, and by winds above replacement was

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Speaker 2: almost a nine win player. We had never seen that.

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Speaker 2: We haven't seen it since. Joe Madden loved having't been

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Speaker 2: having been Zobrist on his team because he could play

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Speaker 2: him anywhere and he was great everywhere.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the ultimate answer. And does that fit

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Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Rays m O right, Okay, so.

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Speaker 2: They didn't invent versatility, but definitely big fans of it.

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Speaker 1: Great, great, and I see amongst people watching here on

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Speaker 1: YouTube the bleacher creatures as we call them. Gavin Grossman

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Speaker 1: chimed in Zobrists the goat utility man as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and he was the World Series MVP. So for the Cups,

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Speaker 1: for the Cups, right, not for the Jays, not for

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Speaker 1: the and listen, I inserted Tony Phillips into this conversation

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Speaker 1: because he was a Blue Jay as well.

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Speaker 2: There's no I know, I'm just messing with you, man.

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Speaker 1: No, no, I love it. I love it. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to try and figure it out because you know, baseball

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Speaker 1: is just so unique in that way that you can

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Speaker 1: you can do all those things. But yeah, that's that

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Speaker 1: was great. Thank you for schooling beyond that.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome. I mean, think about the NBA. Can anybody

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Speaker 2: play point guard and two guard and center and small

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Speaker 2: forward and not really the two?

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Speaker 1: No, no, it just doesn't work defensively.

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Speaker 2: That's the four, right, that's the four. Sorry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean look like people will throw out

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Speaker 1: you know, Lebron sort of can do it, but he

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Speaker 1: doesn't play the five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Magic, Yeah, Magic kind of did it right, But

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Speaker 2: he wasn't really he wasn't really a two guard.

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Speaker 1: No, No, that's a good point. I was going to

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Speaker 1: say he wasn't a five, although he came on in

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Speaker 1: the finals and and did that, but yeah, he wasn't

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Speaker 1: a two by any mean.

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Speaker 2: What would be spectacular would be if the NFL had

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Speaker 2: utility players. So a guy played quarterback for one series

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Speaker 2: and then he played right tackle next and then he

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Speaker 2: was blitzing linebacker next series. I don't think we're ever

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Speaker 2: going to see that.

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Speaker 1: Right, Probably not. I immediately think of slash Cordell Stewart when

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Speaker 1: you say that, because he did a little of that

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Speaker 1: but never never was an offensive lineman or No. Guys

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Speaker 1: just don't play both sides of the ball, right.

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Speaker 2: Anybody did would be a fantasy superstar. But I guess

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Speaker 2: one of the cool things about baseball is to have

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Speaker 2: somebody like a Ben Zobers. That is possible on baseball,

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Speaker 2: it really is not in the other sports.

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Speaker 1: Well, getting to one guy who does play both sides.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Babe a little while ago. This is a

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Speaker 1: casual baseball fans show, so I have to ask about show.

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Speaker 1: Heyo Tani. Even though he wasn't moved, there was some

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Speaker 1: chatter about him potentially moving. He signed through twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: I am just curious what happens with the Angels because

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Speaker 1: they traded their closer here to Atlanta and rycell Iglesias

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Speaker 1: for a twenty six year old pitching prospect. They made

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Speaker 1: a couple other moves with the Phillies, trading Noah Cinderguard

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Speaker 1: and Brandon Marsh for Mickey manaiak Ormoniac and Sanchez and

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Speaker 1: catching prospect Logan Ohapi great name. So it seemed like

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Speaker 1: they are kind of, you know, trying to pull off

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Speaker 1: what the Gnats are doing around Shoheo Tani and and

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Speaker 1: injured Mike Trout. But can you give us the background

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Speaker 1: on what the heck the Angels are doing.

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Speaker 2: There's a big difference between the Nationals and the Angels. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: ownerships signed off on trading Juan Soto. They're looking to

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Speaker 2: sell the team. It made sense to clarify that situation economically,

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Speaker 2: and it's just the time for them to blow it

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Speaker 2: up and rebuild. Why the Angels in a totally different situation.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned the magic name Mike Trout. There on the

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Speaker 2: line to pay Mike Trout thirty seven million dollars a

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Speaker 2: year now through twenty thirty, and so unless you're convinced

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Speaker 2: that Mike Trout's never going to be the same, then

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Speaker 2: their mission now is the same as their mission going

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Speaker 2: into this season, last season, and every season he's been there,

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Speaker 2: and that is figure out a way to get Mike

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Speaker 2: Trout to the postseason sooner than later. And so I

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Speaker 2: know I heard a lot of people say, yeah, well

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Speaker 2: that means you should trade show he Atani. Not if

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Speaker 2: that's your mission statement. If the only way you can

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Speaker 2: justify trading show Hey is a we know he's going

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Speaker 2: to leave in a year when he's a free agent,

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Speaker 2: but B we still need to figure out a way

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Speaker 2: to put the pieces around Mike Trout is to trade

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Speaker 2: him for difference making players who can plug into your

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Speaker 2: big league team, who can make that deal at the

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Speaker 2: trade deadline if you're trying to win, I don't see

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Speaker 2: how it's even possible. So I think what's likely is

646
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Speaker 2: when the off season comes around, we'll be talking all

647
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 2: winter about show Hey and what they might do and

648
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 2: where he might go, because in the off season, can

649
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 2: you have more flexibility to make a trade like that

650
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 2: and then see what you get back supplement in free agency.

651
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: You can't replace shohe Atani though, because he's the face

652
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: of your team. He's the reason to go to watch,

653
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 2: to pay attention, and so it's really sad to think

654
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 2: of the Angels not being able to keep him. But

655
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,479
Speaker 2: I think he's kind of made it clear to them

656
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 2: he wants to win. He doesn't see them winning. He's

657
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 2: gonna leave when his contract's up. So they're going to

658
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: have to do what they have to do. They just

659
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: couldn't do it on August second.

660
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: Wow. So it's inevitable that he won't be there.

661
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: I mean I think it is. Look, there are a

662
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 2: lot of places he doesn't want to go. He chose

663
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 2: the Angels for a reason. He likes the idea of

664
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 2: playing someplace that's a little more laid back. Maybe, so

665
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: maybe San Diego would look good at him too. I

666
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 2: don't know, La is something something like that Seattle. But

667
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: there's still the challenge for Perrymanescian to potentially build a

668
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 2: better roster around Trout and Otani, pray Rendon gets healthy

669
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: and to go forward again next year and convince him

670
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 2: it makes sense to stay. He's a really hard player

671
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 2: for any GM to trade, for any owner to trade,

672
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 2: because you go down in history as the guy who

673
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: traded the Unicorn to be that guy.

674
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 1: And Soto was able to return or get five prospects

675
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: in return. Show Hey Otani is incredible on both sides.

676
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: So what the heck do you trade him for?

677
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

678
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: I think that probably that probably helps out the Angels

679
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: in some regard that Soto got that return.

680
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 2: See what did the Red Sox get when they traded

681
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: the Bay to the Yankees? Again with the theater tickets.

682
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: There's no equivalent return for Otani. There's no model, there's

683
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 2: no blueprint for what you should get back when you

684
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: trade a player like that. There also would be just

685
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: one year left as opposed to two and a half

686
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 2: years left third years left, So that's a big difference too.

687
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 2: If they trade him this winner, they'll get good players,

688
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: I'm sure of that. But are they gonna get with

689
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: the national just got from Padres. It's impossible, No way

690
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: that happens.

691
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't want to do it, but let's just

692
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: briefly talk about the Yankees, because the rich come a

693
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: little bit richer. Yes, Jays Fan, I don't want to

694
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: talk about what they did, but all in all, getting

695
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 1: Andrew Bennettendi for their outfields, Frankie Montas for their rotation,

696
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: a couple of bullpen guys in Scott Afross and Lou Trevino,

697
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: and then they snuck in Jordan Montgomery to the Cards

698
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: just before the deadline for outfielder Harrison Bader, which brought

699
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: up some questions. I know our Chris Kirshner was wondering

700
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: why they gave up on pitching depth for another outfielder.

701
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: But as the best team in baseball this season so far,

702
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: I got to asked, what's your view on what the

703
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: Yankees did?

704
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 2: Hey, Brian Cashman's really good at his job. He orchestrates

705
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 2: a deadline as well as any front office person who

706
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 2: has ever done that job. And that's that's the highest praise.

707
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 2: You just see how he attacks the deadline. He's great

708
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: at it. Montas, Trevino, Benetttendee, Baitter Frost is a good piece.

709
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 2: Got rid of Joey Gallo and the money and only

710
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 2: had to give up one top five prospect. That's incredible work.

711
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: That's the front office equivalent of Peyton Manning walking up

712
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: to the line of scrimmage and reading the field. It's

713
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 2: what Brian Cashman does so well, and he does it

714
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 2: every deadline. He's really one of the best ever at it.

715
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate to hear it, but yeah, they look right. Listen,

716
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: I'm cheering for Aaron Judge as he gets closer and

717
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: closer to Emeris's team record, and you know, it'd be

718
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 1: nice to have somebody in the sixties, you know, other

719
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: than all the steroid era hitters, you know, other than

720
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: obviously Roger Merrison and Babe to do it. But is

721
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: it your opinion that he's going to get there to

722
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 1: the sixties with the tear that he's on.

723
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 2: You know, he hits ten, twelve, fourteen homers every month,

724
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 2: that's good formula for getting the sixties. And hey, I

725
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: hope he does, because wouldn't that be the best story

726
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 2: in sports every night? As Aaron Judge closes in on sixty,

727
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 2: sixty one, sixty two, and I don't know if he'll

728
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: be a beyond. But the thing about sixty one is,

729
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: let's ignore the debate about whether it's the quote unquote

730
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: real record. It's the American League record, it's the Yankees record.

731
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: If he became the third Yankee everyday hit sixty homers

732
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 2: along with Babe Ruth and Roger Marris.

733
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 4: And then headed into free agency, I'll take that plot

734
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 4: line because even when the season ends, the plot line continues.

735
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 4: They are they really gonna watch him do that and

736
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 4: then say, ah, you're not really worth the money, right

737
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 4: the Yankees?

738
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, he bet on himself obviously, and sure seems

739
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: like it's gonna pay off. I have to ask, though,

740
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: because you get Intoto the Weird and Wild in your

741
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: column and you break it down. Roger Morris's sixty first

742
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: home run was in their one hundred and sixty third game, technically, right,

743
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: they played an extra game that season. Yeah, okay, okay,

744
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 1: that's that's fine.

745
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: So you're you're asterisking.

746
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 1: I'm asking. I'm I'm asking about the asterisk. Is it

747
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: is it? Is it an asterisk or not?

748
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 2: All right? This is the reverse asterisk. He lived with

749
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 2: the asterisk of Dave did it in one fifty four.

750
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: Now we have a reverse asterisk, and he did it

751
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 2: in one sixty three.

752
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,439
Speaker 1: Well, I mean he got he got the extra game.

753
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 2: I suppose it's just one of the quirks of baseball.

754
00:45:56,040 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, no, you're you're I'm not going there

755
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: with you. No, don't. No, you're the person I had

756
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: to ask because, you know, because you break down by

757
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: game and the numbers in that way, and yeah, that

758
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: was It's an interesting tidbit. I had forgotten about the

759
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 1: Babe in one hundred and fifty four that they played

760
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: back then, So that was that's he's got an asterisk.

761
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: He's got the reverse asterisk stress everywhere.

762
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: It's true if you choose to apply it, they're all

763
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 2: on your head anyway.

764
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: It's so I covered basketball. We have asterisks all over

765
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: the place. People throw, people throw titles, asters on titles.

766
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: You know, the the the bubble playing in Orlando being

767
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: a huge one, seasons that they started late because of lockouts.

768
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: So there's an asterisks on on Tim Duncan's first title.

769
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: It's it's endless, it's you're right, it is in your

770
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,240
Speaker 1: head and as you choose to apply one thing before

771
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: you go one thing that It's seems like baseball is correcting,

772
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: and I want to know if you think they will

773
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: next season in terms of the shift restriction. Putting a

774
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: restriction on the shift because as about a baseball fan

775
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: that's come back to the game, you know, watching three

776
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: guys on one side of the infield seems to be

777
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: an issue for MLB as they try and sort that

778
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: out through minor league experiments. As you wrote about recently,

779
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: what do you think happens with this shift. Is it

780
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: changing in MLB for twenty twenty three.

781
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. I've written about this a lot and watched it

782
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: in action, watch some of the shift limitations that they're

783
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: working with, and I would say it's close to one

784
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 2: hundred percent that there'll be some kind of shift limit

785
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: next year. What's likely is two things, which is no

786
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 2: more infielders in the outfield, so no more four man

787
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: outfields or seven man outfields or whatever Joey Gallow of

788
00:47:54,920 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: things he's dealing with. And two infielders on each side

789
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 2: of second base on the dirt is somebody who's done

790
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 2: a lot of research on the impact of those changes.

791
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 2: Keeping the infielders out of the outfield that works. It

792
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: does nothing bugs left handed hitters more than rocket over

793
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 2: the second basement's head and the third basement's out there

794
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 2: in right field and catches it, or a bullet goes

795
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: right through the infield and there's another infielder out there

796
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 2: fifty feet in the right field grass to throw them out.

797
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 2: I think in an age where we need more action,

798
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 2: that's an important change. Two in fielders neat side of

799
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: second base. The data shows that's made almost no impact,

800
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 2: and that's why the story I wrote recently where baseball

801
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 2: is experimenting in the Florida State League with the pie slice,

802
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 2: it makes sense. So the pie slice means if you're

803
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 2: trying to restore the single up the middle, but the

804
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: second basement where she had stop can play literally right

805
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 2: behind the bag, and the other in theater can be

806
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 2: positioned so scientifically with such precision that we know exactly

807
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 2: where you're going to hit the ball and somebody's going

808
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 2: to be standing there anyway. That does not move the needle.

809
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 2: But if you if you force the second basement in shortstop,

810
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 2: I'll try to imitate the pie slice here on the

811
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 2: screen to play ten twenty feet depending on how shallow

812
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 2: they play to the left or right of the bag.

813
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 2: That does theoretically restore the single up the middle. So

814
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 2: that's a possibility, but I doubt it's a possibility in

815
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 2: the big leagues next year because it's only being experimented

816
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 2: with in the Florida State League for half a season

817
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 2: to see what happens, so they get a feel for

818
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 2: whether there are unattended consequences of that and how the

819
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 2: mechanics of it work. It is something to watch down

820
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 2: the road, though, much like the replay rule where they

821
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 2: they tried it out and they tweaked it as they

822
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 2: went along over a three four year period. I think

823
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 2: that's what you could see with the shift rules. The

824
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: other sports do that all the time. They try something.

825
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 2: If it works, they keep it. If it doesn't work,

826
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 2: they tweak it. That's what baseball, I think is going

827
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 2: to do over the next several years with the shift.

828
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: That's great to hear and interesting to hear that, you know,

829
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: two infielders on either side of second base didn't change

830
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: the ball hit up the middle, you know, being played whatsoever.

831
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: So it is it is interesting, And yeah, I guess

832
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: something a little further down the road, as you said,

833
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: because it's just in the Florida State League and it's

834
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: just being applied now as you wrote about recently on

835
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: the Athletic which was a great read. But it makes

836
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: it makes so much sense. And then even you know,

837
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: pulling the ball in between two infielders can still be

838
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: played differently if you're if you're in favor of defense

839
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: and being able to you know, put two guys wherever.

840
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, that's the that's the part of this

841
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: that people don't talk about much is if you regulate

842
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 2: the shift you're valuing and restoring infield athleticism, the ability

843
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 2: to cover ground and make a great athlete play. He

844
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 2: becomes so much more valuable than if you can just

845
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 2: put players wherever you want. You know, we again like it.

846
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 2: This is the equivalent of it's third and an inch

847
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 2: in the NFL. So teams know you're gonna run, so

848
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 2: there are ten players, eleven players of the line of scrimmage.

849
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 2: UH Baseball's shifting is based on the same principle. We

850
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 2: know if we throw you this pitch in this count,

851
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 2: in this quadrant of the strike zone, we know what

852
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 2: you're gonna do. We know where you're gonna hit it.

853
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 2: Somebody's gonna be standing there. If you change that, you're

854
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 2: restoring the importance of having somebody playing, say second base,

855
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 2: who can cover more ground, make up that territory that

856
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: you're losing by not shifting, and have the arm to

857
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 2: throw a player out right now, Like if you can

858
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 2: put Mike Mustakas at second base because you can put

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Speaker 2: because of defensive positioning and the ability to just station

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Speaker 2: a bunch of players on one side of the field,

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Speaker 2: You're not valuing that. So no disrespect to Mike Mustakas,

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Speaker 2: but it's kind of the poster boy for how shifting

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Speaker 2: has changed the way teams think about defense and who

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Speaker 2: plays where.

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Speaker 1: That's very very interesting. I mean, yeah. One of the

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Speaker 1: most exciting plays of the All Star Game was in

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Speaker 1: the first inning when Andre Simanez went up the middle

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Speaker 1: and turned that double play and he was I figure,

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Speaker 1: that was, yeah, just playing outside the pie. I suppose

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Speaker 1: you know, he wasn't playing right up the middle, but

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Speaker 1: that was amazing. And you know, I was showing my

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Speaker 1: wife that he and though she's not a baseball fan,

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Speaker 1: I said, did you see that play? And she said, well,

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Speaker 1: that's cool? Are they Are they amping it up because

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Speaker 1: it's the All Star Game? I said, no, they're just

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Speaker 1: extremely talented and Mike Mustakas shouldn't be playing there.

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Speaker 2: And shifting isn't really much of a thing in the

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Speaker 2: All Star Game. There was a little love it here

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Speaker 2: and there, but it's not the Pro Bowl. But they

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Speaker 2: don't do the precise type of defensive positioning in the

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Speaker 2: All Star Game that they do during the season.

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Speaker 1: Now, he had to go up the middle and we

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Speaker 1: saw great play.

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Speaker 2: Everybody strikes out anyway, so it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I won't ask you about the the strikeout increase,

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Speaker 1: the power era, and the pitch clock potential, because I

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Speaker 1: do want to know about that stuff. But people can

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Speaker 1: hear about all that stuff on the Starkville Podcast. And

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Speaker 1: I won't take up any more of your time because

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Speaker 1: this was, you know, a long couple of weeks for you.

891
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: You're just at Cooper's Down to watch Big Poppy get inducted.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that was a blast for you. But we

893
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Speaker 1: really really appreciate you coming on Jason and giving us

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Speaker 1: some of that knowledge that you got stored up there.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. And obviously everybody check out the

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Speaker 1: Starkville Podcast and Jason Stark on the Athletic.

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Speaker 2: TAZ is great. Really enjoyed bannering with you, man. Let's

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Speaker 2: do it again.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Jason really really really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: All right, that is it for us. Make sure you

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Speaker 1: check out everything else we did this week. It was

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Speaker 1: a really fun week. Grang Gordian talked to the guys

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00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:36,280
Speaker 1: from the Red Flags podcast about Hungry highs and lows

904
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Speaker 1: from that race. That was pretty fun. We saw Lee

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Speaker 1: talk with Kelly Dwyer O G Kelly Dwyer on the show.

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Speaker 1: He pops some packs with k D Ellie with KD.

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Speaker 1: That was fun and make sure you tune into Is

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Speaker 1: This Good coming up later this week with Maddy oh hosting, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Maddio hosting a show about random topics being good? Is

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Speaker 1: that going to be good? I think so.

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Speaker 5: I think it's gonna be great, Tassy.

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Speaker 1: I do think it's thanks thanks for coming back on here, JD.

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Speaker 1: And let's let's peddle those shirts because that's what we

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Speaker 1: do here. This is the No Bunch Show. So the

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Speaker 1: exposed logo within the No Buns logo, and of course

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Speaker 1: I got to get a j shirt on there by

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Speaker 1: breaking tea two beauties. Check out No Dunks dot com

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Speaker 1: if you're interested in either of these. I know people

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Speaker 1: really love them. The the nostalgia factor for the exposed logo.

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Speaker 1: Got to get Ariel Hawani in one of them. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're great. Okay, that's it. It was awesome to have

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Speaker 1: Jason Stark on. It's unfortunately we cut them off there.

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Speaker 1: That's the nature of the beast here with technology.

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Speaker 5: It's live show man.

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Speaker 1: I see you JD in and ran the desk there

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Speaker 1: in our seats. Yeah, I got the moose.

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Speaker 5: I got the Jay's pennant and I got my Nova

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Speaker 5: Scotia had so represent Wow. You know it'll go great

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Speaker 5: with this outfit. These these awesome Canadian T shirts.

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Speaker 1: Very made by an American company in America. That's it

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Speaker 1: for us, Clipper bros.

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Speaker 2: You heard it here first, have a great time, turn up.

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Speaker 2: Love you guys awesome.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. And remember, no matter how bad

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Speaker 1: your team is, there's probably a team that's worse, like

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Speaker 1: the Seattle Mariners, who haven't made the playoffs since two

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Speaker 1: thousand and one, the longest drought in all the major

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Speaker 1: sports in North America. I didn't realize that longer than

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Speaker 1: any hockey team, or football team, or even the Sacramento

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Speaker 1: Kings in any basketball team. So you keep your head up.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.