1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Scrubbing In with Becca Tilly and Tanya rad and iHeartRadio 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: and two time People's Choice Award winning podcast. 3 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 2: Hello everybody, we are scrubbing in Today is a special 4 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 2: day because we have a special guest. 5 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: Yes we do. We fell in love with her from 6 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: Love is Blind this season, and I think we all 7 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: collectively kind of wrapped her arms around her mid season. 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 3: She united the world she did or the US. She 9 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 3: did the US. We need this no. 10 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: Like people all over could be watching the USA Love 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: is Blind. 12 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and she collectively had us all on her side correct, 13 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: which felt really good. 14 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: It did us for once. 15 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: So I cannot wait to talk to her. I have 16 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: so many things to ask and I can't wait for 17 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: her to scrub in. So everyone welcome Jessica Barrett. There's 18 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 2: so much to discuss. 19 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: We do want to set the scene for our listen 20 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: because we are doing this interview on a Tuesday. The 21 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: reunion airs tomorrow. This is airing days after, so everybody 22 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: will have already seen the reunion, so we are We 23 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: got some spoilers so you know it happens, But we 24 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: just want to set the scene. 25 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 3: We don't know everything. 26 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: We don't know everything, but we know enough. 27 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: Okay, can we start. I have so many questions about 28 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 2: the process. 29 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: Of Love is Blind in the timeline, the timeline. 30 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,919 Speaker 2: In the process, So how does one get on the show? 31 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 3: First of all, is it a. 32 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 4: Casting totally different for everyone that you ask I personally 33 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 4: got a DM, which was crazy because I had a 34 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 4: private Instagram. 35 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 5: I don't like. 36 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 4: My Instagram is literally like my folloween costumes and my bulldogs, 37 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 4: nothing exciting. And I got a message from a casting 38 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 4: person and obviously thought I was like being catfished and 39 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 4: was like, this is crazy. Send it to my little 40 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 4: sister and my parents and they were like, obviously you 41 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 4: need to answer that, and I said, no, there's no 42 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 4: way this is real. And even if it were, there's 43 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 4: no way I could do this with work, with everything crazy. 44 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 4: I had a conversation with Age, the person who reached 45 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 4: out to me from Kinetic, and just kept talking and 46 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 4: it was basically me trying to convince her that she 47 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 4: didn't want me, and her trying to convince me that 48 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 4: she did. 49 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 3: Did you how did you find she? 50 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: Probably do their real I feel like they do their 51 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: research in because every season of Love is Blinds in 52 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: a different city, so they probably go in and like 53 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: just hit the ground running, ask people for like recommendations 54 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: of like really awesome singles that they know, and then 55 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: they just like go in from there. 56 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:49,399 Speaker 5: That's the only thing I can think. 57 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 4: I think one of my friends maybe said something to 58 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 4: someone and I just don't know. 59 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 5: Otherwise, I just don't know how advice was in the far. 60 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 4: So we filmed in February, and she messaged me at 61 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 4: some point in the fall. It's a very long process. 62 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: February of twenty twenty five, when we filmed twenty twenty four. 63 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,399 Speaker 3: Oh, February twenty twenty five. But did she reached out 64 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 3: in fall. 65 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 5: Of twenty four? 66 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, this has been like a full year since you filmed. Okay, 67 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: and the reunion was filmed recently, a. 68 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 5: Couple of weeks ago. Maybe I don't even know what 69 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 5: day it is. Where am I? Okay? 70 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: But no, I do think it's interesting because I always wonder, 71 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: like after Love is Blind, after we see like the weddings, 72 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: why don't we get the reunion right after? And I 73 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: think it's because that was filmed a year ago, and 74 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: then the reunion is like flashing forward present. Yeah, so 75 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: a lot of times played. 76 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, so a lot has transpired since we've filmed Riley. 77 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 4: And it's funny because especially for those of us that had, 78 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 4: you know, roller coaster experiences. 79 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 5: I experienced that over a. 80 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: Year ago, and how are we living it? 81 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 4: Worked through it and done all of these things, and 82 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, everyone else's experience and sing 83 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 4: it with me and like oh my god, Oh my god. 84 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 4: And I'm like, yeah, that's kind of like old news. 85 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 4: At this point, I'm. 86 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: Good, which is why you're probably able to like talk 87 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: about it. 88 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 5: One hundred fresh. 89 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 90 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 4: I think that if I had to have these conversations 91 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 4: over and over when it had just happened, I would 92 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 4: be unwell. I you could ask my family and friends. 93 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 4: I basically just kept saying I don't want to talk 94 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 4: about it. I don't want to talk about it. Even now, 95 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 4: they keep asking me questions, like normal questions like wait, 96 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 4: what was it like in the pods or how did 97 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 4: you do this? And I'm like, you, guys, this was 98 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 4: a year ago, and they're like, yeah, we know, but 99 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 4: you wouldn't tell us. 100 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 3: I would just shut it down. I'm finally ready to 101 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 3: talk about it. 102 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: So when you go into the pods on the show, 103 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: how do you decide who is it? Like you do 104 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 2: a speed round where you talk to everybody and then 105 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 2: you say, Okay, I like to these people exactly how 106 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: many do you choose base the first round? 107 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 4: It totally depends on the cast, but we had a 108 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 4: rather large cast. There were sixteen women and sixteen men. 109 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 4: So the first day was sixteen dates I think around 110 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 4: nine minutes each something like that. 111 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: You can tell pretty quick, Oh. 112 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 4: Girl, I was. I was so overwhelmed. But it is 113 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 4: you can kind of tell like is there chemistry or not? 114 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 4: And you know, for certain people, they're like obvious deal breakers, 115 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 4: and if you just get those out of the way, 116 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 4: it kind of makes it easy just to soar through 117 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 4: because how else do you figure it out? 118 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 5: These are sixteen human beings on the other side. 119 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, how are you supposed to figure out if they're 120 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 4: a good person a good match for you in just 121 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 4: a few minutes. 122 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 5: But it's easier than you think. 123 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, did you have a list of questions that you 124 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 2: just went in being like I'm asked like that were 125 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 2: deal breakers? 126 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 3: You know, I really how you did it. 127 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 4: I really only had one major deal breaker, but it 128 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 4: made it very easy for me to kind of filter through. 129 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 5: I just politics. 130 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 4: Honestly, I just I feel really really strongly about human rights. 131 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 4: And you know, I think being in healthcare in particular 132 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 4: and being exposed to such a wide variety of people 133 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 4: that becomes so important to us, and we see, I 134 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 4: think the after effects of if people aren't treated fairly 135 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 4: and equally, and so it's something I feel so so 136 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 4: strongly about. And I knew that while I can have 137 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 4: a respectful conversation with anyone about anything, if you're going 138 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 4: to be sleeping in my bed next to me, I 139 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 4: want to make sure that these things that are the 140 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 4: most important to me are also important to you. 141 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, very very true. Okay, wait, so you you were 142 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: one of the couples that did get engaged. There was 143 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: a record breaking number of you this season, apparently seven couples. 144 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 3: So many that one didn't even make amend. 145 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if they in trust this on the reunion, 146 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: so pardon me if this is repeated information for anybody watching. 147 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: But why did you all go to Mexico and Vic 148 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: and Christine go to Malibu? 149 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 4: So they do talk about it a little bit o reunion. 150 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 4: I don't know what I'm allowed to say about that, 151 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 4: but we all knew. I mean, we all knew. We 152 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 4: were like, they just take him to the chapel right now, 153 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 4: like to they're both actual saints. What you see? Oh 154 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 4: my gosh, I just knowing Christine. And it's funny because 155 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 4: Christine and I are so different. She's very quiet, she 156 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 4: really kept herself. She was journaling a lot. I never 157 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 4: shut up, and I was like, I don't think she's like, 158 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 4: I don't think I'm her cup of tea. But then 159 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 4: over time we got so so so close, and I 160 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 4: just remember thinking like, who could possibly be her match? 161 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 4: But two minutes of talking to Vic and it's just 162 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 4: we all like we all knew that he was her husband. 163 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 5: It was wild. It was wild. 164 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 4: They are the kindest, sweetest, most amazing, most in love people. 165 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 5: I love them so much. 166 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: That makes me so happy because like, honestly, it was 167 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: them and Jordan and Amber that I was like, if 168 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: they had all say yes at the altar, like I'm 169 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: going to be devastated. I know. The way that it 170 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: all panned out for me was as a viewer, as 171 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: a viewer, except for you, I mean your story was Yeah, 172 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: to be honest, I never liked him. 173 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 4: Well, thank god, thank god you know what I mean. 174 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 4: I've said that about so many things in my life 175 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 4: where I really thought I wanted this thing, whatever it was, 176 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 4: and it didn't work out or blew up in my face. 177 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 4: And in this scenario, it couldn't have happened quick enough. 178 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 4: I just I needed to know what was going on 179 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 4: so that I could get the hell out of there, 180 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 4: and that's what happened. So I'm I'm very very grateful 181 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,079 Speaker 4: that I guess he showed his personality quickly. 182 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 2: Can I get your honest, genuine reaction of when the 183 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: doors open and y'all saw each other for the first time, like, 184 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 2: did he have Was he anything that you were expecting? 185 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 3: Physically? 186 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 5: I had no clue. 187 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, you tried to not even like yeah. 188 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 4: And it's funny because I think that's so different from 189 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 4: person to person. A lot of people were like, I 190 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 4: just think he's tall, or I think this, or I'm 191 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 4: in and envisioning this. 192 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 5: I couldn't see anything. I just saw like the blob light. 193 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 3: That was all. 194 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 4: I really really wasn't sure what to expect. But I also, 195 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 4: I think I say this at some point on the show, 196 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 4: but if I am taken by someone and I care 197 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 4: about them and I love them. I think they're beautiful, 198 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 4: you know, whether that's romantically or not. And if I 199 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 4: think that they're disgusting as far as who they are 200 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 4: as a human being, they can be the hottest person 201 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 4: in the world. 202 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 5: I'm going to think they're disgusting. 203 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 4: Yes, So I knew, no matter what this person looked like, 204 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 4: I was going to be excited because of how I 205 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 4: felt at the time. 206 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I'm the same way. 207 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 3: Well, I think I think there's something and not to discredit. 208 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: Men, but I don't know that same thing. 209 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 3: They don't have that. I don't think I feel like women. 210 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 2: I genuinely feel like someone can be the hottest person 211 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 2: in the room, and if they open their mouth and 212 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 2: it's just not intelligent or kind or funny, if it's. 213 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 3: Bad, I'm immediately turned off. Yeah, and I don't know 214 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 3: that men have that same filter. 215 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 2: I agree with Eastern and chime men if he wants 216 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 2: Easton's one of the good ones. 217 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 4: So we don't I was gonna say, I think it's 218 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 4: very rare. I have definitely found men that are like that, 219 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 4: and it's refreshing. I have found women that are on 220 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 4: the other end of the spectrum too, it's just but 221 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 4: in general, I think that it's so deeply rooted for 222 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 4: me that it doesn't it's it's going to overcome everything else. 223 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we're better or for worse. 224 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 3: So y'all go to Mexico. 225 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 2: It feels like things are on the up and up. 226 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 2: We're watching people fall in left and right. 227 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 3: Were there anything? I mean, obviously you're watching. 228 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 2: Now that you've watched it, are you like, Oh, they 229 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 2: didn't show that conversation or that didn't happen, and it 230 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 2: was like a prelude into the conversation. 231 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 3: There was nothing. 232 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 4: There was nothing that I saw. Again, I was very 233 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 4: you know, rose colored glasses. This is great. Everyone's so happy. 234 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 4: Everything's great. We're in Mexico. We're engaged. 235 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I thought things were good. 236 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 4: I think that no matter what, there's a level of 237 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 4: not necessarily discomfort. But this is a relative stranger. You've 238 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 4: never spent time with them. And then it's like, okay, 239 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 4: go share a hotel room. And of course that's a 240 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 4: little weird, but it seemed like given the circumstances, everything 241 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 4: was pretty normal. 242 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, okay, and so you go. 243 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: It's just like I I'm trying to be like I 244 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: want to be kind because I want to believe that 245 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: like this guy, he said what he said and there's 246 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: no excuse, but like I do like there was a 247 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: lot of editing that like that made him look really bad, 248 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: Like it just like snowballed for him. And so I'm. 249 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 3: Okay, that's a he made some decisions. 250 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: And I know, but he did apologize to you. 251 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, we know that. 252 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you forgave him. 253 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 4: I don't think I ever said I forgive you, Okay, Okay, 254 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 4: I think that essentially the night after the mixer, And 255 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 4: to be very clear, I had no clue how horrible 256 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 4: the things that he said at the mixer were. I 257 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 4: only knew what he said to me. The things that 258 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 4: he said at the bar to that group of women. 259 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 4: Nobody told me that. I had no clue when I 260 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:50,599 Speaker 4: sat down. You know, we see the episodes at the 261 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,599 Speaker 4: same time you do, and when I sat down to 262 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 4: watch that, I had no idea that any of that 263 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 4: was said. I knew it was going to be uncomfortable 264 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 4: to watch, but I had no clue how bad it was. 265 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,719 Speaker 4: So the next day he called me spiraling and kind 266 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 4: of was like, you know, clearly I messed up and 267 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 4: he was panicking, and I basically said, you know, I'll 268 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 4: talk to you for a few minutes, but I'm not 269 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 4: going to talk to you again after this. And also, 270 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 4: if you're looking to feel better, I'm not going to 271 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 4: be the person to do that right now. And if 272 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 4: you still want to have a conversation, then fine, And 273 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 4: so we did. But again, I think that was more 274 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 4: oh my gosh, what did I do, rather than feeling 275 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 4: bad about what he said about right. 276 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: That's what I'm like. I feel like the apology and 277 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: everything is because of like the public backlash versus like 278 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: I'm genuinely sorry that I yeah, that I treated you 279 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, that's what it feels like. 280 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 4: There's a lot of the apologies that he has said 281 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 4: are kind of like I wish I had handled it differently, 282 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 4: or I wish I'd used different words, which I appreciate 283 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 4: and agree with. 284 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 5: It's just it is what it is. 285 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 1: He said what you said, I know, because like at 286 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: the end of the day, like the way he said 287 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: it was just like I actually can't believe those words 288 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: came out of somebody's mouth. 289 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 4: That's how I felt, you know, like just to talk 290 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 4: about another human that way, yeah, regardless of who it is. 291 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was just really gross to me. 292 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 2: Yes, So in the conversation that you had with him, 293 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 2: when you were on the couch, as he's saying it, 294 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 2: are you think I always want to know because and 295 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 2: I don't know how much you can say, But there's 296 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 2: obviously people in the room filming. 297 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: Right, Oh right, I forget about that, and you have. 298 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 2: A camera person, probably a producer, there's people. Were you 299 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 2: just looking around like is this really happening? Like were 300 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 2: you making eye contact with people? 301 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 3: Like what you were? 302 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 4: Just like I was locked in. It was very early 303 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 4: in that conversation that I knew I was out, Oh 304 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 4: like what part as soon as he started saying like 305 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 4: offensive things about my body? 306 00:14:58,600 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I knew that. 307 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 4: There was no way that I was going to spend 308 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 4: time with this person again period, And so I was 309 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 4: trying my best to just for myself, stay calm, get 310 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 4: through the conversation, and get out of there. 311 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 312 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm really proud of like the way you handled it, 313 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: because you didn't lash out, you didn't like give it back, 314 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: and you also just like cut it off quickly, Whereas 315 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, maybe some other people would 316 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: have been like, well, maybe we can work on this, 317 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: you know, like we're engaged, like you know what I mean, 318 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: Like I feel like you were just like no, I'm out, 319 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: and you didn't go down to his level, which I 320 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: thought was very I love you. 321 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 5: We've all been there. 322 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 4: I'm just having to be older and have been through 323 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 4: enough situations where I know that at the end of 324 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 4: the day, I want to be able to look myself 325 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 4: in the mirror and go to bed at night knowing 326 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 4: that I handled things the way that I wanted to 327 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 4: and I'm never going to feel bad about what I 328 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 4: did about it. I can't control what anybody else does, 329 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 4: but having been through some tough experiences, you recognize that 330 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 4: it's so much better to just take it in stride, 331 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 4: move along, understand who this person is, and move accordingly, 332 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 4: but don't allow them to make you feel some sort 333 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 4: of way about yourself. 334 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: How did you do that though, because I think, like, 335 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: you know, take yourself out of love is blind, take 336 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: yourself out of that situation. Like there are people that 337 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: are listening that are dealing with like bullies online or 338 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: people commenting on their body or you know, like things 339 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: like that, and it does it's hard to like you know, 340 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: like you said, just kind of like shut it down 341 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: and not let it affect you. How did you do 342 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: that in this situation? 343 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 4: I think it's going to affect you no matter what. Unfortunately, 344 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 4: I would love to say that there's like some sort 345 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 4: of trick to get rid of that, But I think 346 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 4: the most important thing is having such a strong sense 347 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 4: of self that you know that that person is wrong 348 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 4: regardless of what they say. And everybody is entitled to 349 00:16:55,160 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 4: their opinion. Absolutely, it's sometimes it's just mean an unnecessary 350 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 4: and I think in almost every one of those circumstances 351 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 4: that's a reflection of somebody's own insecurities or unhappiness, and 352 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 4: so to try to remind yourself of that. And also, 353 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 4: like I said, if you know the sky is blue, 354 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 4: the sky is blue, it doesn't matter if somebody else 355 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 4: tells you that it's orange. So you have to be 356 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 4: so sure of who you are and so proud of 357 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:23,719 Speaker 4: who you are that it makes it a little bit 358 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 4: easier to say you can say whatever you want. 359 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 5: I know that that's wrong. I know who I am. 360 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 3: Did you see a video this girl? I'm sure you've 361 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 3: seen many tiktoks made about the situation. Have you watched 362 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 3: anything I have? 363 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: I don't. 364 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 4: I try not to watch anything like outside of my own, 365 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 4: Like I'll look at my own comments on my own 366 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 4: pictures and things like that. But I also have like 367 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 4: a text thread called Team Jess of all my family 368 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 4: and close friends, and I basically say, if you see 369 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 4: something funny or cute or like nice, you can send 370 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 4: it here so that I can see it. 371 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 5: But if it's me and I don't, this is nice. 372 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 3: So this girl said that, and it was the first 373 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:04,479 Speaker 3: time I've heard of this. 374 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 2: But she said at the party after that conversation, also, 375 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 2: how well this was a timeframe from the conversation to 376 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 2: when you saw him again at the like mixer thing 377 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 2: eight days? 378 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 3: Oh wow? 379 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: Oh wow. I thought it was like the next day. 380 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 5: Okay, so eight days and y'all hadn't spoken. 381 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 2: Okay, this girl said that you did something called gray rocking. 382 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 3: Have you heard of this? You didn't see this video? 383 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say I've heard of it, but okay, 384 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 4: I had never heard of it. 385 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: But she was saying, you you did it, And she's like, 386 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 2: I don't know if she intentionally did it, but clearly not. 387 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 2: It's like the way you disarm a narcissist. Oh and so, 388 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 2: And I don't know of churs. I'm not diagnosing Christal Narses, 389 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 2: but like when you have narcissist. 390 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 3: Her behaviors because. 391 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 2: You went into it and you didn't give him any reaction. 392 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 2: You didn't act enraged and you didn't act sad. 393 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 3: You didn't give him anything. 394 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 2: And so he kept trying to to like to get 395 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 2: you to react, and you wouldn't do it. And I 396 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 2: was like, I don't know if you knew that you 397 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 2: were doing it, but that was amazing and it made 398 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 2: me go like, oh my gosh, that's how you handle 399 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 2: people like that, you don't do anything. 400 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 3: And I don't know were you sober that night? Did you? 401 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 3: Were you drinking? 402 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: I think you drink. 403 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 4: I did have a coke in my in my goblet. 404 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 4: I think I did a shot, But like you were, 405 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 4: I wasn't. I certainly wasn't anywhere near his. 406 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 407 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 2: And people were just like it was amazing, like the 408 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 2: praise of like that those choices, because like you being 409 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 2: able to almost just like shut him down was the 410 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 2: most powerful thing that you could do it, especially in 411 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 2: that moment because he was spiraling obviously intoxicated, and he's 412 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 2: saying all these horrible things to the to the other 413 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 2: girls and guys, and you were just like, what do 414 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 2: you want? Like I don't I'm not here to give 415 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: you anything, so like, why do you need to talk 416 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 2: to me? It was amazing, right well? 417 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 4: And I think over time we recognize like how precious 418 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 4: our energy is. And even in that first conversation on 419 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 4: the couch, I mean, I am very protective of that, 420 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 4: and my immediate thought was, he doesn't get any of this. 421 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 4: He doesn't get any of this, whether it's positive, whether 422 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 4: it's negative. I think that he would have felt better 423 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 4: if I had yelled and screamed and cried and gone crazy, 424 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 4: and I wasn't going to give him that satisfaction. 425 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: Did you ever have a conversation with Brie after that? 426 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, Brie, did I see that? Right? 427 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,360 Speaker 4: No, Bri and all the girls and I have hung 428 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 4: out multiple times throughout the year, and I think after 429 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 4: that whole thing aired, she felt bad about kind of 430 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 4: how she showed up. 431 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I feel like at the end she ended 432 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 1: up ultimately like shutting it down and like shutting him down. 433 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: But there were parts where I feel like she was 434 00:20:58,800 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: kind of giving him. 435 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 3: A little Why are you letting him talk so much? 436 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I was like, I was curious if 437 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: she had a conversation with you about that or like apologizing. 438 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 4: Anyway, she did reach out to me and essentially said, 439 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 4: you know, I wish I had shown up differently, which 440 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 4: I appreciated. 441 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 442 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 4: So, and we obviously have seen each other many times 443 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 4: since then. WHI I'll see her in a couple of days. 444 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 4: We have another event here in a couple of days 445 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 4: in Clumbt. 446 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 3: So, okay, you you go on the show Love is Blind? 447 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 3: You are this. 448 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: Successful, so just wait, wait one second. 449 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 3: Okay. 450 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: The thing that just made me so mad about this 451 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: man is that he went on a show called Love 452 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: is Blind and said what he said. And I'm like 453 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: the audacity, just think we've ever and I could be wrong, 454 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: have seen like somebody say what he said, Like I understand, 455 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: like maybe you know, the chemistry might not be there 456 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: after like having those conversations with somebody, but like literally 457 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: saying I go for someone that like does pilates every day, 458 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: Like why is she going on a show called Love 459 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: is Blind? 460 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 5: Wrong? Show? 461 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 3: Like wrong? 462 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: There's so many dating shows out there, dude, you got. 463 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 5: Maybe just stay auditions or. 464 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: Up or like go on the dating app where you 465 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: can see what you're getting, Like I don't know, Okay, 466 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: continue great, great. 467 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a show on MTV, like for ever go next? 468 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 5: God, that show is so vicious. I like. 469 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: Gore, like whatever, like love is? I just thought, was 470 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 1: I w me nuts? 471 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 2: So you go on the show and you have a 472 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 2: year and everyone's like what happened? 473 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:46,959 Speaker 3: Tells everything? And you're like, I don't want to talk 474 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 3: about it? 475 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: Are you can't? 476 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 2: Right? 477 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:48,959 Speaker 1: You have to? 478 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 4: Like well, so for everyone else, I just couldn't talk 479 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 4: about it. But like my immediate family, my best friends 480 00:22:55,040 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 4: who knew what I had done, they had so many questions. 481 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 4: And I'm very, I'm type A, I'm in healthcare, I'm 482 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 4: the eldest daughter. 483 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 5: I am very. 484 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 4: I'm gonna take care of my own. I'm gonna keep going. 485 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,959 Speaker 4: I'm gonna figure this out. I have a little bit 486 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 4: of trouble asking her help for sure, which I'm sure 487 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 4: both of you can relate to. 488 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 5: But a lot of. 489 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 4: Times, how I deal with that in the moment is 490 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 4: I don't wanna I don't want to get into it. 491 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 5: I don't want to start crying. 492 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 4: I don't want to deal with any of this, especially 493 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 4: when I know I knew so quickly and so clearly 494 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 4: that like, this is not for me. This is not 495 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 4: an issue. I'm gonna deal with how I feel about it. 496 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 4: But there was never ever a millisecond where I was like, oh, like, 497 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 4: I'm so sad about him, And that made it a 498 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 4: lot easier. 499 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, did you have. 500 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 2: Other connections in the pods where you were like, after 501 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 2: after you had that conversation, that you were like, dang it, 502 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 2: like I wish I had gone in a different direction. 503 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 4: Well, yes, I had a very very strong connection in 504 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 4: the pods really early on, and I was very sure 505 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 4: of it. I typically am very logical, very methodical, very 506 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 4: fact based reasonable, and this was not that. This was 507 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 4: like lightning bolt. Oh my god, who is this person? 508 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 4: I came out of the Pods and said to Ashley. 509 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 4: I ran over to Ashley and said, my life just changed. 510 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 4: I don't know what it means, but literally having a 511 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 4: conversation with this man, my life just changed. And he left, 512 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 4: Why why do you leave? It was not I will 513 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 4: say this experience is really really hard, being in a 514 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 4: pressure cooker, these long days, dating multiple. 515 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: People, yeah sounds exhausting. 516 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 517 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 4: Well, and for a lot of people who do the 518 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 4: apps and do these things all the time, like it's 519 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 4: a little bit easier. 520 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 5: I'm not really a dater very much. He like never 521 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 5: dated prior to this. 522 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 4: For a long time, he really didn't date, and he 523 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 4: was super uncomfortable dating multiple people. 524 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 5: He he wasn't. 525 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 4: Sure if it was for him, And we had this deep, 526 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 4: deep connection. Again, like I said, I didn't even know 527 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 4: if it was romantic or not at the time, because 528 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 4: it was so I've never been able to be so 529 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 4: vulnerable and talk to a man the way that I 530 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 4: spoke with him so quickly. And when I think of 531 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 4: having those conversations, I think of having them with my sister, 532 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 4: my best friends, these really really close, safe people. 533 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 5: And so. 534 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 4: I was like, is this my friend forever? Is this 535 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 4: the love of my life? 536 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 5: I don't know. 537 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, was the timeframe of y'all having your conversation 538 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 2: and then him leaving. 539 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 5: Like what was a couple of days? 540 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 4: So again a lot changes in a couple of days, 541 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 4: but we essentially had these conversations. We had multiple dates. 542 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 4: Of course, this happens, you know every day. We have 543 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 4: all of these dates and I felt very confident about 544 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 4: him and walked in the room for our next date, 545 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 4: and I could just tell something was. 546 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 5: I was like, he's uncomfortable either. 547 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 4: He feels like he needs to break up with me, 548 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 4: and he's panicking about it. He feels like he, you know, 549 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 4: wants to be with somebody else, he doesn't want to 550 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 4: be here something. And my immediate got reaction was to 551 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 4: kind of give him an out and to say, look, 552 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,719 Speaker 4: I like, I know how I feel about you. I 553 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 4: know how deep this connection is. I don't know if 554 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 4: that's romantic. It doesn't have to be, you know this, 555 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 4: this could mean just really good friends. 556 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 5: I don't know. 557 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 4: And I kind of could feel this like ex hill 558 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 4: of relief. And I think that I think that he 559 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 4: was really really scared to hurt anyone or to continue 560 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 4: on with the process. He's an incredibly, incredibly kind, emotionally 561 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 4: intelligent man, and I think that he was really struggling 562 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 4: with how to move forward. 563 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 5: Honestly, So, did he say I'm leaving? 564 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 3: Did he say bye? 565 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 5: Did he didn't? 566 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: Okay, the producers told you. 567 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 5: He just wasn't there the next day, But did. 568 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 3: You didn't know if? 569 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 2: Because does it work in the sense of like if 570 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 2: you walk in and someone's not there the next day, 571 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 2: do you do you assume? 572 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 3: Oh, they didn't want to talk to. 573 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 5: Me, so kind of okay. 574 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 4: But we had a conversation like we're going to be friends. 575 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 4: And one of the one of my favorite parts of 576 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 4: the odds was this, I don't know if you guys 577 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 4: got to see any Silent disco, but they give us 578 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 4: headphones and we get to listen to each other's playlists. 579 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 4: Oh that's fun, which when you were like completely taken 580 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 4: away from your phone, computer, everything for several days, just 581 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 4: listening to some of your favorite songs, is this like 582 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 4: huge emotional, cathartic thing. And so, and it was a 583 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 4: pretty long date because it was kind of well into 584 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 4: the process at this point, and we said. 585 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 5: Like, let's just listen to our songs. And it was 586 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 5: the best date. 587 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 4: We had so much fun, and then kind of left 588 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 4: it at that, like we're going to be friends and 589 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 4: that's that. And I he would have never known that. 590 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 4: I was kind of devastating at the time, because again 591 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 4: I could tell he was like not good, and I 592 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 4: wanted to be sure he was okay, and so I 593 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 4: wanted to be able to say like we can be friends. 594 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 4: Of course we can. You're wonderful and just kind of 595 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 4: leave it on a happy note. And I wish I 596 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 4: had left. 597 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: Honestly, Yeah, you want to be here, and you announced 598 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: on the reunion that he is your boyfriend. Yes, his 599 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: name is is Harramel Harmal Harmal Harmel like Carmel. But 600 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: so he was in the pods. He left, and then 601 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: when did you guys rekindle? 602 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 4: He messaged me shortly after I came back. But my 603 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 4: mindset then at that point was this is my buddy, Like, 604 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 4: that's my bro. We'll hang out, we'll talk about work whatever. 605 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 4: We're both in medicine. 606 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 5: So I never thought anything about the fact that he 607 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 5: ought to be so much. 608 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 4: It just was like, yeah, we already decided we were 609 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 4: going to be friends. Of course your messiter, that's not 610 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 4: where his mindset was at. But I didn't know that 611 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 4: for a very long time. 612 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 2: Wow, So he was he like really thought he was 613 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 2: putting that effort out there, and you were like this 614 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 2: guy's friend zone. 615 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,479 Speaker 5: Yes, like he thought he was dropping his left and right. 616 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 4: First of all, I'm oblivious like that, we'll put that 617 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 4: out there right away. I'm going to take my ninety 618 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 4: percent on that. But I don't think he recognized that. 619 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 4: I assumed he was not romantically and listed in me 620 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 4: when things ended in the pods. 621 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 5: Oh, when I said. 622 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 4: We can be friends, it was because I thought that 623 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 4: he just wanted to be friends, and so I thought 624 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 4: we were on the same page and we could be 625 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 4: totally cool and fine. Was I avoiding seeing him a 626 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 4: little bit? Maybe because my feelings were a little bit complicated. 627 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 5: Probably. Did it take us several several months to actually 628 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 5: hang out? 629 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 2: Yes? Oh wow, So how long has it been sin 630 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 2: chall established that you were both romantically interested? 631 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 5: Maybe like four or five months. 632 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: Oh, so you've been together for like four or five months? 633 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 3: Close. 634 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 4: Well, there was a lot of back and forth at 635 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 4: the beginning, and I was very nervous. 636 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,719 Speaker 1: So three to four, let's say, three to four months something. 637 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 3: He was here with you to watch the season. 638 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 5: We've watched some of it together. 639 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 4: We at the very beginning, like the first six episodes 640 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 4: that dropped since we're in a different time zone, they 641 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 4: dropped it three af and so a few of the 642 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 4: girls came over to my house and we also got 643 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 4: cuddled on my couch and binged it from three am 644 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 4: to nine am while he was doing a twenty four 645 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 4: hour shift at the hospital and came. 646 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 5: Over right after. 647 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: I wanted to do like a quick rapid fire of 648 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: just like your knee jerk reactions to the couples that 649 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: got engaged on the season. 650 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 2: Oh, we already got Christina, Christina. 651 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 5: Chris ship forever amazing. Please adopt me. 652 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 3: Wants to be adopted. 653 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 1: What about Amber and Jordan? 654 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 5: They're real, so fun. I love them so much, Like. 655 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 3: Do we see it? 656 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: We see them for who they are? 657 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 4: I think so, okay. I think they're both really honest, 658 00:31:58,680 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 4: open people. 659 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: I was obsessed with them this season. 660 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 5: They're the best. That's so much fun. 661 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: Bri and Connor. 662 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 4: Bri and Connor. They're very different, but I think that 663 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 4: they make it work for each other. I have spent 664 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 4: less time with them as a couple, I think. 665 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 5: I think I've seen them more individually. 666 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: Do you think that they'll get married at some point? 667 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 3: I don't know. 668 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 5: I don't know. 669 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 4: I based on like the most recent conversations at the reunion, 670 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 4: I think so, I think that's the plan. 671 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 3: I didn't think they I felt they broke up. 672 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: Me too, me too, But I'm happy. I actually really 673 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: loved him for her. 674 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 2: I did too, but I needed her to get there. 675 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 2: I needed her to love him. 676 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 3: For how he liked her. 677 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,959 Speaker 1: I think she I think she just needed to have 678 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: that like revelation on her own. 679 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, I don't know how close you are 680 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 2: with Brittany, but I wanted. 681 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 3: To reach the TV. 682 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: You know. 683 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 4: I love having the opportunity to talk about this because 684 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 4: she was fed a totally different story than any of us. See, 685 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 4: I mean, and you can tell in the last episode 686 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 4: he is so clearly they clearly have said they're still 687 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 4: He kept saying the crazy kept saying to her, We're 688 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 4: not going backwards, We're not going backwards. That means you're 689 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 4: still engaged. I think anybody would think that. But then 690 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 4: he would go to the camera and say, crazy shit 691 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 4: she was showing, which is bullshit, by the way, It 692 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 4: is absolutely no. 693 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,959 Speaker 1: That was like she got such a dirty edit. The 694 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: way they the way that specific scene went down was 695 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: very dirty. 696 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 4: It was just nasty, and she it was It broke 697 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 4: It broke my heart for her because. 698 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 5: She was just in it. 699 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 4: She was doing she was doing what I was doing. 700 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 4: She was there for the right reason. She she believed 701 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,959 Speaker 4: this man because I can't even say she thought it 702 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,239 Speaker 4: was this way. He was telling her it was that 703 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 4: way and telling everyone else something else. 704 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 5: So it's just it's just gross to me. 705 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 2: There was that scene where she was like, I know 706 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 2: you're not going to gush over me or tell me 707 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 2: I'm pretty, and he was like. 708 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, girl, you deserves a gusher, like let's go. 709 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, and she does. She deserves everything and I know 710 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 5: she'll find it. 711 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 2: There's some revelations about him on the road hand. 712 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 1: Okay, good Emma and Mike. 713 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 5: I love Emma. 714 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 4: Emma's my like sweet baby angel, and Mike is totally 715 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,959 Speaker 4: cool like it. I'm not saying that because I don't 716 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 4: love Mike, but Emma's like my little sister slash my child. 717 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 4: I always say biologically technically she could probably be my 718 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 4: child time wise. But I think that they both were 719 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 4: really trying to do the right thing. I think that 720 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 4: with the hurdles that were there, it was not it 721 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 4: was not going to be right for them to be together. 722 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 4: And I'm glad because I think they're both really happy 723 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:04,959 Speaker 4: and doing really well. 724 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 3: It's painful, it was, but it was a hurdle that 725 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,720 Speaker 3: they both knew was going to be a hurdle. 726 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: You know they always say, like the red flegs from 727 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: the beginning, or like what happens in the beginning is 728 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 1: always what happens at the end. 729 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 3: They both they. 730 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 2: Never got to the same page even in the it 731 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,359 Speaker 2: was like I want a child, I don't. 732 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 3: I don't think I want a kid. 733 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: I can get there in a quick three weeks. 734 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, So anybody that's like, oh, for he knew that. 735 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: That was not for neither of them. 736 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 5: I think they both tried. They both really tried. 737 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,800 Speaker 2: They put themselves in a position to see maybe maybe 738 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 2: things can change with the right person. 739 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:46,359 Speaker 1: And exactly last, but not least, Ashley and Alex. 740 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 5: Oh god love. I like Ashley a period. 741 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 742 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 2: Did everyone have the collect a feeling towards Alex that like. 743 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: As viewers we did? 744 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 4: I think so, But I think all the girls that like, 745 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,879 Speaker 4: did you have any moments where you talk to him 746 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 4: in the pod and like to most side from the 747 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 4: first day or was that one conversation and done that's eat. Yeah, 748 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 4: I don't remember if we had more than one date, 749 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 4: but it was very I knew that we were a match. 750 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was another painful one. Yeah, Okay, 751 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: we had the best time talking with Jessica, and we 752 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: actually had the chance to talk with Jessica and her 753 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,760 Speaker 1: new boyfriend, Harmal. But you're gonna hear that conversation on Monday. 754 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: We can't air it until Monday, so you will be 755 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 1: getting that after our normal podcast on Monday. But thank 756 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: you so much, We love you and talk to you 757 00:36:49,200 --> 00:37:00,240 Speaker 1: next week. Bye.