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Speaker 2: One woman, then the next woman, then the next, then

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Speaker 3: When would it stop?

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Speaker 2: Why were all of these women murdered and then dumped

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Speaker 3: Who would do that?

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Speaker 2: And it happened over a period of years, What if anything,

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Speaker 2: And is there such a thing as an evil genius

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Speaker 2: to that is yes, it happens all the time. What

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Speaker 3: I've had so.

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Speaker 2: Many serial killings. You have to find a commonality. What

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Speaker 2: in a haystack. The only thing they all had red hair.

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Speaker 2: Let that sink in for a moment. What kind of

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Speaker 2: commonality is that? How can we stop him the killer?

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Speaker 2: And oh, yes, statistics say it's a man. And why

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Speaker 2: be found? It's like taking out a billboard on Third Avenue.

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Speaker 2: I killed her and her and her and her and

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Speaker 2: her and her, clearly murdering with impunity until enter a

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Speaker 2: high school teacher and his class. I'm Nancy Grace. This

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Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here

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Speaker 2: at Crime Stories and on Serious XM one eleven or

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Speaker 2: First of all, take a listen to student William Bowers

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Speaker 2: and this is coming from the Murder one oh one podcast.

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Speaker 3: From Katie Studios.

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Speaker 4: Listen, good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Is my privilege and honor,

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Speaker 4: so welcome you to our past conference. My name is

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Speaker 4: William Bowers and I'm a part of mister Campbell's sociology class.

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Speaker 5: Many of you or.

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Speaker 4: Today are asking the same question, why are we here,

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Speaker 4: Why are we doing this? Why do we even care

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Speaker 4: about this? Well, it's start was thirty seven years ago

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Speaker 4: when a man murdered an unknown woman and laid her

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Speaker 4: body decided anstey. Four years later, five more women said

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Speaker 4: the states and the highways. It costs multiple states at

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Speaker 4: the time of their death. The women were founded with

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Speaker 2: Wow, that was incredibly well spoken by a student named

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Speaker 2: William Bowers. And what is the murder one on one podcast,

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Speaker 2: and who are these students? And who is this teacher?

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Speaker 2: And William Bowers asks a very good question. He poses

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Speaker 2: a very good question. He frames it, why does anybody

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Speaker 2: do anything? But more particularly, why after nearly forty years pass,

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Speaker 2: does anybody still care about the women, these redheaded victims

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Speaker 2: Can say is PTL, Praise the Lord. Somebody did care.

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Speaker 2: And joining me right now is one of the students

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Speaker 2: who worked on this project and the teacher that brought

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Speaker 2: them together. Joining us from Elizabethtown, Tennessee. Alex Campbell, teacher

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Speaker 2: at the local high school, host I murder one, author

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Speaker 2: of ten lessons that will get you fired.

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Speaker 3: But you must teach immediately. Okay, before I get to.

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Speaker 2: That, let me deal with this Alex Campbell, your student.

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Speaker 2: First of all, welcome here, your student. William Bowers framed

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Speaker 2: the question, why are we doing this?

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Speaker 3: Why do we even care?

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Speaker 2: Well? I know why I care because I'm a crime victim,

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Speaker 6: True crime is such a popular genre. Obviously, lots of

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Speaker 6: But throughout the project what happened was the students thought

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Speaker 3: Have no voice. And isn't it true, mister.

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Speaker 2: Campbell, that it's also always those that are the weakest

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Speaker 2: These voices have gone unheard and unrepresented for nearly forty

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Speaker 6: So they said, you know, just keeping people aware, getting

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Speaker 2: So the women were not even identified, Alex, Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So only one of the six women was identified at

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Speaker 2: Which one was originally identified, Lisa Nichols, So she out

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Speaker 2: He mentioned the name Scott Barker, former FBI special agent

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Speaker 2: that helped the student, Scott Parker, Why did you get involved?

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Speaker 5: I received a telephone call from a colleague of mine

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace Scott.

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Speaker 3: Marker at Alix Campbell.

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Speaker 2: I can remember the first time anyone truly read out

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Speaker 2: loud Shakespeare. To me, it was Professor Kenneth Hammond at

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Speaker 2: I knew I had to major in Shakespeare in literature.

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Speaker 2: It was just like that. It changed my life. Do

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Speaker 6: Well, maybe I don't write because I've really never been

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Speaker 2: Let's get down to the facts of the Redhead murders.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen again to student William Bowers.

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Speaker 7: We spent months learning about the Red Headed murders into

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Speaker 2: Wow, you're hearing the student William Bowers on Murder one

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Speaker 2: oh one podcast from KATI Studios. A serial killer stalking

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Speaker 2: We've heard of so many serial killers. But who had

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Speaker 3: What are the.

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Speaker 8: Redhead Murders thirteen redheaded women are killed by a suspect

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Speaker 8: The murders are believed to be related to several states,

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Speaker 8: just don't know. The killing spree could have lasted longer

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Speaker 2: The Messenger, Perry, tell me about the murders.

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Speaker 2: Alex Campbell, the teacher who led this project, Alex, were

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Speaker 2: To Scott Barker joining me fromer FBI special agent who

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Speaker 2: And the fact that they are along the motorway, Scott

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Speaker 2: Course it's a guy the motorway, Scott Barker, the motorway

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Speaker 2: A trucker exactly, a trucker or someone that travels like

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Speaker 3: So now, now that we know that there are.

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Speaker 5: I think most of them were strangulation. There might have

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Speaker 2: Okay, doctor Bethany Marshall, I'm sure she's eight. Just to

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Speaker 9: I think one of the reasons that these women were

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Speaker 9: a great likelihood, but then he put so much energy

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Speaker 9: Because psychopaths like to inflict pain and harm. This helps

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Speaker 9: That's the only way that they can, you know, achieve

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Speaker 2: I've learned that, and let me go to Kara Porter

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Speaker 9: I do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm thinking right now of Rex Huerman, the Long

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Speaker 3: Does it change? Is it flat?

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Speaker 2: Let's look with that in mind at the first victim

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Speaker 8: Nineteen eighty three, The first victim was an unidentified white woman.

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Speaker 2: Joining Me Right Now is one of the students who

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Speaker 2: group of high school students led by their teacher, Alice Campbell,

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Speaker 11: It's really terrifying, honestly, and I think that's part of

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Speaker 3: What did you think was going to happen?

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Speaker 11: I thought that we would be able to dive deep

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Speaker 3: I got a question, Marillie, what do you want to

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Speaker 2: Man, you are so smart and so articulate. I've seen

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Speaker 2: You could do anything. And I'm just thinking of you

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Speaker 2: Her crime she went to the mall and she ends

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Speaker 2: up murdered on the side of the interstate. Doctor Michelle

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Speaker 2: Lesion County Sheriff's Department, author of Money, Mischief, Murder, the

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Speaker 2: Murdoch's Saga, but more important for my purposes the author

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Speaker 2: she literally wrote the book Homicide Investigation Field Guide, Doctor

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Speaker 2: dupri If you have red hair and you're murdered, will

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Speaker 12: will decompose over time, but the color is going to

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Speaker 12: remain the same.

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Speaker 2: Now, how after people pass away, does their hair keep growing?

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Speaker 12: No, that's that's a myth. What happens is your skin

444
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Speaker 12: with draws and it makes it look like your hair

445
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Speaker 12: grows the same thing with your nails. They don't grow

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Speaker 12: after death.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Michelle Dupree joining US out of Columbia, South Carolina.

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Speaker 2: With a case like this, how do you determine cause

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Speaker 2: of death? Since many of the victims are skeletonized and

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Speaker 2: unless a neck bone or the hyoid bone broken, there's

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Speaker 2: no tissue to see bruises.

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Speaker 3: How do you figure it out?

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Speaker 12: You know, Nancy, that is a very difficult situation. A

454
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Speaker 12: lot of times we can look at the bones and

455
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Speaker 12: see if there are any injuries, any sharp corse injuries,

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Speaker 12: any gunshot, wos, anything like that. We can also take

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Speaker 12: the soil from beneath where the victims are found and

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Speaker 12: analyze that soil to see if there's any toxicology that

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Speaker 12: may be relevant. But you're right, it's very difficult when

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Speaker 12: there is no real body to examine other than bones.

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Speaker 2: Alex Campbell, the teacher at Elizabethton High School, host Murder

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Speaker 2: one one and author of ten lessons that will get

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Speaker 2: you fired, but you must teach immediately.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: I had to find out what those ten lessons are,

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Speaker 2: but that after this Alice Campbell, when did it become

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Speaker 2: clear to you without any doubt that there was in

468
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Speaker 2: fact a serial killer.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. So one of the things that Scott Barker told

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Speaker 6: us was that if you wanted to show that more

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Speaker 6: than one of these victims was related to one perpetrator,

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Speaker 6: was that you had to have the same signature in

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Speaker 6: the same timeframe and in the same geographic area. And

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Speaker 6: so that's the work that the students did several years ago.

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Speaker 6: And once we found that six of those women pretty

476
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Speaker 6: much shared all of those things, that's when we became

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Speaker 6: convinced that there actually was a serial killer that was

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Speaker 6: responsible for several of the Redhead murders.

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Speaker 2: Scott Barker, You're absolutely correct, same mo, motorcyperandi, same time frame,

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Speaker 2: and same geographic area. And then of course you come

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Speaker 2: up with a nut like Ted Bundy who goes across

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Speaker 2: the entire country and changes his MOO. But I think

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Speaker 2: I generally agree with you, samem same time frame, same

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Speaker 2: geographic area, and of course Bunny change not only moved,

485
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Speaker 2: but moved a great deal, but also changed his MO.

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Speaker 2: So of course there is an exception to every rule.

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Speaker 2: But Scott Barker, these women fit your criteria to a

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Speaker 2: t and you're right, and you're right.

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Speaker 5: There are some killers will change the MO because obviously

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Speaker 5: they're the smartest person in the room, and they think

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Speaker 5: not changing the MO they can do that. But in

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Speaker 5: this case I felt like that if they wanted to

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Speaker 5: narrow it down, just because of what I was finding

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Speaker 5: out about the cases, that they were all in the

495
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Speaker 5: same general area, they were being dune along the side

496
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Speaker 5: of the road, that probably most of those things were

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Speaker 5: going to be the same. To focus on those things

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Speaker 5: that maybe they could identify one individuals is committing all

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Speaker 5: these crimes.

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Speaker 2: You know, Scott Barker, I think on that last next

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Speaker 2: to lastn as, you're half right and half wrong. I

502
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Speaker 2: could be totally wrong, but you said the serial killer

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Speaker 2: thinks he is the smartest one in the room. You're

504
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Speaker 2: so right about that. Think they're going to out smart everybody.

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Speaker 2: Very often they do. But I also think there's a

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Speaker 2: component of a killer, especially a serial killer, that acts

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Speaker 2: on animal instinct like Bundy there at the end, I mean,

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Speaker 2: he was clubbing people dead, no elaborate plan, just break

509
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Speaker 2: in and kill. I think at some point they begin

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Speaker 2: to act like an animal they have to kill.

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Speaker 9: Were you, Nancy?

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Speaker 3: I know that's doctor Bethany.

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Speaker 2: Can I at least finish my sense before you correct me,

514
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Speaker 2: and then you're.

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Speaker 12: Going to be right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm get an idiot, But they start just

517
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Speaker 2: acting out of this insane desire to kill or to

518
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Speaker 2: rape or to cause pain, and they get to where

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Speaker 2: they throw all their planning out in the window and

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Speaker 2: they're previously used in MO and they just start killing

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Speaker 2: and biting and naming doctor Bethany.

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Speaker 9: Well to dovetail with what you're saying, because you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 9: Their deviant patterns increase and become more intense over time,

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Speaker 9: because if you think of this as a part of

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Speaker 9: a sexual arousal pattern, sexuality and inflicting cruelty going hand

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Speaker 9: in hand. They have to inflict increasing amounts of cruelty

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Speaker 9: in order to enhance their sexual arousal. So over time

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Speaker 9: they become emboldened, they get more ideas, they look at

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Speaker 9: pronography that stimulates them more, and so it's really increased

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Speaker 9: debancy as well as what we're seeing.

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Speaker 2: So I guess, Scott Barker, what you said is absolutely correct.

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Speaker 3: But I do.

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Speaker 2: Think that there is some kind of a distorted instinct.

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Speaker 2: I think it's what suits them at the moment, what maneuver,

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Speaker 2: what ploy will get their victim. But apparently this guy

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Speaker 2: stuck with his m O Scott Barker, because all these

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Speaker 2: women were found on the side of the interstate.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 3: Guys, what more do we know?

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Speaker 2: Listen to Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Crime Online

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Speaker 2: Dave Mack.

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Speaker 8: In the United States of America, it seems like every

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Speaker 8: state claims to be a part of the Bible Belt.

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Speaker 8: But if you're looking for the buckle of the Bible Belt,

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Speaker 8: you'll most likely be talking about an area that includes Tennessee, Arkansas, Kentucky, Mississippi, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 8: In West Virginia and these days, during a period of

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Speaker 8: about fourteen years, a serial killer.

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Speaker 6: Was on the loose.

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Speaker 8: This killer had a special affinity for redheads, as all

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Speaker 8: of his victims were women with red or strawberry blond hair.

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Speaker 8: Their bodies dumped along major highways in the states that

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Speaker 8: make up the so called Bible Belt.

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Speaker 3: Wow, So which one is it?

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Speaker 2: Alex Campbell the redhead murders of the Bible Belt murners.

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Speaker 6: Yes, it's both. Like we said, those twelve to fourteen

556
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Speaker 6: murders are all considered the Redhead Murders. What the students

557
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Speaker 6: wanted to do with naming the serial killer of the

558
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Speaker 6: Bible Belt strangler was to separate those women out that

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Speaker 6: could be linked to one killer and show that we

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Speaker 6: actually did have a serial killer targeting multiple women during

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Speaker 6: this time period.

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Speaker 2: Guys teacher Alex Campbell challenge his students to see the

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Speaker 2: work of the Red Head Murders was attributed to one man.

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Speaker 2: They bring in former FBI agent that helped teach them,

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Speaker 2: Scott Barker. Marley Mathena, a high school student in this group,

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Speaker 2: tell me, after you realize the women were in these

567
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Speaker 2: six women were in fact connected, the moment that you,

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Speaker 2: along with the other students realized you may be able

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Speaker 2: to crack the case, it was incredible.

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Speaker 11: We did one presentation to a sheriff and a district

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Speaker 11: attorney and it was just me and my partner Riley,

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Speaker 11: and just them, and the feedback that they gave us

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Speaker 11: was absolutely incredible. And just the fact that I was

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Speaker 11: talking to law enforcement officials and getting them all rolling

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Speaker 11: is just absolutely surreal, and it was incredible to say

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Speaker 11: that I've been a part in bringing it in justice.

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Speaker 2: To Alex Campbell, the teacher that spearheaded this, that created this.

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Speaker 2: He teaches at Elizabethton High School, Host.

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Speaker 3: Of Murder one one.

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Speaker 2: At what moment did you realize you were going to

581
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Speaker 2: crack this case?

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Speaker 6: I think whenever they identified the killer of Tina Farmer

583
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Speaker 6: and we were able to have a suspect that we

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Speaker 6: could look at. And what we did was we took

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Speaker 6: the profile the students created and then we said does

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Speaker 6: he fit the profile? He fit every single characteristic in

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Speaker 6: that profile, and I think that's when the students realized

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Speaker 6: he is going to be the person who is most

589
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Speaker 6: likely responsible for several of these murders and is the

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Speaker 6: Bible belt strangler we've been looking for.

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Speaker 2: Tell me what those criteria were? What criteria did he meet?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so there was actually seventeen different ones that they

593
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Speaker 6: created with a rationale, and it was things like, of course,

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Speaker 6: the job and he was indeed a trucker, but they

595
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Speaker 6: also identified his race, his marital status. They said he

596
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Speaker 6: probably would be married or have long term relationships, He

597
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Speaker 6: would probably have a family, he would be able to

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Speaker 6: keep a stable job. That whenever people heard about this,

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Speaker 6: they would say, Oh, it can't be him. He's such

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Speaker 6: a nice guy. So all those type of things, and

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Speaker 6: when we really started looking into it, he fit every

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Speaker 6: single one of those.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking about how you pieced it all together. What

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Speaker 2: went through your mind Alex Campbell when you realized you

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Speaker 2: had identified the killer?

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Speaker 6: You know, it's one of those things where you think,

607
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Speaker 6: if I could ever get an answer to this question,

608
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Speaker 6: I would be so happy, I would be satisfied. But

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Speaker 6: the truth is, every time we get an answer in

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Speaker 6: one of these cases, we realized we have like fifty

611
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Speaker 6: more questions that need to be answered. So I got

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Speaker 6: to tell you I was hoping for like this feeling

613
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Speaker 6: of satisfaction, but the reality is I just realized we

614
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Speaker 6: had more and more work to do.

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Speaker 2: To you, Scott Barker, what it through your mind when

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Speaker 2: you realized that you guys had absolutely identified the redheaded

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Speaker 2: serial killer Jerry John's Quite.

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Speaker 5: Frankly, I was shocked. I never thought it would get

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Speaker 5: to that point. Again, as I said previously, I thought

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Speaker 5: they would do a report presented to a class and

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Speaker 5: that would probably be the end of it. I never

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Speaker 5: realized it would go this far. And when and when

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Speaker 5: mister Campbell sent me your profile originally to look at it,

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Speaker 5: I went, wow, this is pretty good, and so they're

625
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Speaker 5: coming up with these things that we had talked about

626
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Speaker 5: in class, making the suggestions on where to look, and

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Speaker 5: all of a sudden they come up with this profile.

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Speaker 5: And then I remember when mister Campbell called me and said, hey,

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Speaker 5: they've identified a victim, and we started talking about other victims,

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Speaker 5: the route that would have been taken by this trucker,

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Speaker 5: and then we realized that, hey, this guy probably is

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Speaker 5: responsible for some of these homicides.

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Speaker 2: In the end, did DNA play a role Marley and

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Speaker 2: Mathena and identify the defendant Jerry John's.

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Speaker 11: Yes, ma'am, I think it did. There were multiple T

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Speaker 11: shirts and things that he used to strangle the women,

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Speaker 11: and his DNA was left behind on some of those.

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Speaker 2: Amazing that after all of this, Kara Porter joining me

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Speaker 2: co f out of the cold case coalition, these high

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Speaker 2: school students and this high school teacher, this FBI agent

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Speaker 2: managed to solve a cold case.

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Speaker 3: It's astounding, Kara.

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Speaker 10: You know, it's a wonderful example of how people who

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Speaker 10: have that have the passion and take the time to

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Speaker 10: do a deep dive can really supplement limited law enforcement resources.

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Speaker 10: And what these students did was just fantastic. And I

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Speaker 10: would love to see it replicated all over the country.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you completely, Kara Porter, except for one thing.

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Speaker 2: Supplement my rear end. They cracked the case. It's an

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Speaker 2: amazing I agree with you, Kia. You know I mentioned

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Speaker 2: Professor Hammond from Mercer Undergrad. When I first heard him

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Speaker 2: read and then explain a passage of Shakespeare, I knew

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Speaker 2: that's what I had to study. After that, my fiancee

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Speaker 2: was murdered, I left any hopes of teaching in a

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Speaker 2: classroom far behind and went to law school. I had

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Speaker 2: no idea whether I could pull it off or not.

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Speaker 2: And then another professor changed my life. His name was

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Speaker 2: Sean Felony Murder Watson. Not only did he have any

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Speaker 2: very heavy Irish brogue, but he talked about.

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Speaker 3: Felony murder all the time.

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Speaker 2: And as I sat there listening to Professor Watson speak,

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Speaker 2: somehow I knew inside that I was at least going

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Speaker 2: to try to become a felony prosecutor. Ales Campbell, you

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Speaker 2: may never know how you affected these students.

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Speaker 5: Maybe I probably won't.

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Speaker 6: You're right. One of the things that teaching is, you know,

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Speaker 6: you can plan what you want the students to learn.

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Speaker 6: What you're going to teach, but in reality, when you

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Speaker 6: give them a hands on, authentic learning experience, you can

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Speaker 6: never really know what the student's going to take from it.

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Speaker 6: But you know, the one thing I wanted to take

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Speaker 6: is like, there's problems in the world that need to

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Speaker 6: be solved and it's time for people to step up

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Speaker 6: and do it, whether they're the expert or not. And

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Speaker 6: I think they got it and to care about fellow people.

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Speaker 6: That's what it comes down to.

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Speaker 2: Whether they're the expert or not. Marley and Methina certainly

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Speaker 2: know homicide investigator. She's not a crime lab analyst, she's

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Speaker 2: not CSI, but she and some other high school students cared,

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Speaker 2: and they cared deeply and they have the case of.

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Speaker 3: The Redhead serial killer.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to Scott Barker, Alex Campbell, Marley Mathena and

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Speaker 2: the other students who finally got justice.

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Speaker 3: Goodbye friends,