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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman. I'm the host of the

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Speaker 1: Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also be your host into

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Speaker 1: the world of hunting the icon of the North American

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Speaker 1: Wilderness Fair. We'll talk about tactics, gear conservation. We will

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Speaker 1: also bring you into some of the wildest country on

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Speaker 1: the planet chasing fair. This week, I'm down in Brinkley, Arkansas,

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Speaker 1: goose hunting with Jonathan Wilkins at his Black Duck Revival camp.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a big waterfowl guy, and that's not because

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Speaker 1: I don't like it. It's just that I live in

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Speaker 1: the mountains and we're not in a major flyway. I

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Speaker 1: didn't grow up waterfowl hunting, but it is hard to

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Speaker 1: deny the excitement and the uniqueness of the experience of

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Speaker 1: waterfowl hunting. We extra recorded this podcast before the hunt,

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Speaker 1: so we don't talk a lot about our actual hunt,

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Speaker 1: but Jonathan talks about waterfowl hunting in Arkansas goose hunting

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Speaker 1: while we're gonna be doing and I can tell you

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Speaker 1: that we had a great time. Also around our fire

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Speaker 1: is Natalie Crebs with Outdoor Life. Natalie has been a

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Speaker 1: writer for Outdoor Life for six years and We had

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Speaker 1: a great conversation with her as well. Dear, season in Arkansas,

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Speaker 1: rifle season anyways officially over and we're about to start

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Speaker 1: I had a misfire on a gun this week, and

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Speaker 1: You know, if you're on the team, you canna enjoy

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Speaker 1: this podcast with Jonathan Wilkins and Natalie Creb's about your life.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're we are in Brinkley, Arkansas, not at

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Speaker 1: headquarters of Black Duck Revival. This is pretty significant, um, Jonathan,

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Speaker 1: This this will determine how well you know the Bare

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Speaker 1: Honey magazine podcast. What do I always do if there's

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Speaker 1: a fire that we're around, I know they're gonna fail. No, well,

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Speaker 1: relatively quiet, nice, pleasant smoke. Not many sparks burns for

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Speaker 1: Black Ducker Vial. Jonathan has been on a couple of times.

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Speaker 1: And then hey, our special guest Natalie Crabs. Um, Natalie,

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Speaker 1: good to good to meet you. We had talked for

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Speaker 1: an article that you had done one time, but this

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Speaker 1: it's good to meet you in person. Uh yeah that

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Speaker 1: outdoor Life, yes, um, I've been there for about six years. Um,

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Speaker 1: nature influences and yeah, there's some kind of some interesting

423
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: changes going on right now, and so there's a ton

424
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: of opportunity for these speckle bellies and they're fantastic table

425
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: fair and they're really fun to hunt, and you know,

426
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 1: you hunt them in a different way. So uh, Like

427
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 1: I said, I partnered up with those guys uh that

428
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 1: have really become experts at it, and you know, I'm

429
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: learning every time I go out and take a group out,

430
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: I'm learning more and more and more about it, and

431
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 1: you know, getting better at blowing a spec call and

432
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: figuring out why we're decoying them this way or that way,

433
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: and how they behave differently than you know, mallards, which

434
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 1: is what I've spent most of the last ten years

435
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: kind of focusing on. So yeah, man, it's it's it's fun,

436
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: and it can be educational, and it's a it's a

437
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: really good entry point for people that don't have a

438
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: ton of experience, either in water fowling or just in

439
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 1: hunting in general. You know, we've kind of talked about

440
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: it before, but you know, human beings they react differently

441
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: to birds and fish and reptiles and they do mammals.

442
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: So there's there's kind of a little bit less of

443
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: a barrier to entry for somebody that might not have

444
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: a lot of experience in hunting to kind of enter

445
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 1: the world of of hunting birds as opposed to hunting.

446
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: You know, like that idea is not foreign to me,

447
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't have just spouted it off quite that

448
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: with that much clarity. I haven't. I haven't thought of

449
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: and I mean maybe I've said it before, but just

450
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: in this moment, I have not thought of bird hunting

451
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: being a good first step into hunting because of because

452
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: they don't have eyelashes. Yeah, and it's a boys the

453
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: auto I keep talking about for the listeners here, and

454
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 1: I keep talking to my boys. You don't have headphones.

455
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 1: Did you know that they say that animals that have

456
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: eyelashes people like connect to differently than animals that don't.

457
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: So you can shoot birds, you can kill snakes, you

458
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 1: can kill lizards or whatever. Have you ever heard that, Natalie,

459
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: I have yet. My older sister does not want to

460
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: kill a big game animal, but she really wants to

461
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: shoot birds. That's interesting to me that you say that, though.

462
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: Jonathan's like, I feel like there's so much that goes

463
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:56,719
Speaker 1: into successfully hunting waterfowl, everything from gear to like figuring

464
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: out birds to the calling that unless you have somebody

465
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: like que who's helping people out, it can be really

466
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: difficult to crack into. There's a lot of barriers to

467
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: entries on it. I mean, it can be expensive. It's

468
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: really gear intensive. Like when we hunt tomorrow, we're gonna

469
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: be putting out hundreds and hundreds of decoys. Uh. And

470
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's a I think it's a it's a

471
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: it's a good place, you know, for mentorship. Um. It's

472
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: also something that you know, I would hazard to guess

473
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: that most people you know, duck hunting or goose hunting.

474
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: It's like you hear a lot in Arkansas, you know

475
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: about like a hundred sixty days, which is most people

476
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: that tell you that are lying. I mean sixty days.

477
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: Sixty days of chasing ducks will just wear you out.

478
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: Be hard to keep a regular job doing that. For

479
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: most people, it's probably a couple of weekend trips or something.

480
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: You know. And so it's a it can kind of

481
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: be a little bit more of a special thing. It's

482
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: a it's normally most of the time it's kind of

483
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: a social thing. Um. And and even in the midst

484
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: of all this craziness, you know, with a bunch of

485
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: precautions and stuff in place. We're still kind of trying

486
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: to keep it, you know a little bit social and

487
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: keep some of those barriers to entry, uh, out of

488
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: people's way so they can. I mean, it's like I said, man,

489
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: if we don't, if we don't fire a shot tomorrow,

490
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: like y'all will see a show that'll I mean, it's

491
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: just breathtaking. It's like being in a David Attenborough documentary

492
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: or something. That's really the way. That's the thing that

493
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: strikes me about it the most is it's just so

494
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: amazing to see these huge numbers and animals and the

495
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: way they moved together. And you know these like amalogus

496
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: organisms they're all separate, but they're moving together and uh

497
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: and that, and especially with speckle bellies, it's such a

498
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: call and response sort of thing. You know, It's like

499
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: they make I want I want you to get them.

500
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: I want you to do a call for us at

501
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: some point, some point. I don't want to do that.

502
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: You don't want to do no. I mean, if we

503
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: were talking about ducks would be one thing, But I

504
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: don't want to embarrass myself with these speckle building balls. Now, Like,

505
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: what's your experience goose hunting. Uh, I have some experienced

506
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: goose hunting and duck hunting. Um, It's always something I

507
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: do with a buddy, though I've never gone off on

508
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: my own and done it. Also, I cannot call. I'm

509
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: horribly tone deaf, and that's stuff for me. So sure

510
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: it would sound great to me, Jonathan, Oh yeah, yeah,

511
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: it wouldn't sound great to all the thousands of people listening.

512
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I feel like I'm rounding the corner

513
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: on that spec call. It's a it's a very different uh.

514
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: I mean everything is different about the reeds set up,

515
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: the wedge set up is different, the air presentation is

516
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: very different, what you do with your tongue is different. Uh.

517
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: And so I kind of had to unlearn some stuff

518
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: from duck calling to start getting a handle on that

519
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: spec calling. And then also, specs are like the most

520
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: you know, they're like the most vocal species of waterfowl.

521
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: They have just a ton of different vocalizations from these

522
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: two note yodels two three note yodels to plucks. We

523
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: gotta hear it. These bear hunters don't know how to

524
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: duck hunt, then gonna be able to They're they're gonna

525
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: hear you and be like, man, that guy's good. Well

526
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. We'll see what happened. Okay, Well,

527
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: so the have you written about duck hunting a little bit? Yeah? Yeah,

528
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: So where have you duck hunted or waterfowl hunted? Uh?

529
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: First place every went was Kansas. Um, so we did. Uh.

530
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: One day was like a pit blind for ducks, and

531
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: the next was a big field hunt with a bunch

532
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: of people and had that sort of show that Jonathan's

533
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: talking about. Um. And then I saw a bunch of

534
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: geese yeah yeah. And then um, you know, some duck

535
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: hunts with a buddy in the Southwest. Um, that long

536
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: Island hunt for brandt um. A little bit all over

537
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: the place, but nothing where I've gotten to the point

538
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: where I'm going out scouting patterning like that's something that's

539
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,959
Speaker 1: still pretty foreign and really interesting to me. Yeah. So

540
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: we're hunting honkers, Yeah, honkers. And then we killed some

541
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: snow geese. Um, a couple of speckled bellies. Um. So

542
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: Like while we were driving down here, Jonathan, like right

543
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: before dark, like the last thirty minutes before we got

544
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: here to Brinkley, we were seeing these big flocks of geese.

545
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: We were trying to I was trying to explain to

546
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: bear how biologists estimate numbers of any kind of wildlife

547
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: that is in flocks or big herds, because he was like,

548
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: how many how many geese do you think that is dead?

549
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: And I said, the way that you estimate when something's

550
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: flying or there's a big herd of elk, as you

551
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: would you would try to count as many as you

552
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: could and stay on top of, you know, your accuracy.

553
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: So if you could count like five, I said, try

554
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: to count five geese. And so we were, you know,

555
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: these geese are like flying, we're driving, so you know,

556
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: it's like hard to like keep your eyes on them,

557
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: but we would count five geese. And then I said,

558
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: so estimate how many chunks of ducks or geese that

559
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: big is in that flock? And so some of these flocks,

560
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: we thought, and you know, we we were just totally

561
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: probably well we were probably in the ballpark where some

562
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: of these vs had to have had two hundred geese

563
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: in them, sure, And then but there would be multiple

564
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: vs like the so you know, when geese fly, they

565
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: fly in these big V patterns, and there would be

566
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: like layers of v patterns. They'll just be like these wads.

567
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: But I bet we saw I don't know, five thousand

568
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: geese the last, you know, forty five minutes driving down

569
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: the road. I mean just for us for a while

570
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: there any direction you looked, you would see like this cluster,

571
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: you know. But I mean, that's pretty fascinating to me. There's, man,

572
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: there's tons and tons and tons. I mean I've seen

573
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: I've seen a field that geese, you know, I mean

574
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: specifically snows where you know, I mean I've thrown the

575
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: number out like fifteen or twenty thousand nfield, you know,

576
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: in these huge tornadoes that take forever for them all

577
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: to get down. Uh, what was it most likely that

578
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: we saw out here? Could it could have been any

579
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: of those geese that you said it would have been,

580
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: I mean, big wads like that. I'd probably if there's

581
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: just huge wads of them like that, it's probably snows.

582
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: But I mean there'll be snows and specs mixed together.

583
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: I mean they'll I mean you can tell by the

584
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: way they call, you know. Uh, specs will have that

585
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: yodel and snows make a similar noise without as much

586
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: of a break in it. So it doesn't. The man

587
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: would be great if we could hear it. Man, you know,

588
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: YouTube's a fantastic tool. Um the goose call? No, I

589
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: will not hey right now? Is there? Like? Are there

590
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,479
Speaker 1: snows down here? More like you were talking about? I

591
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: like the way you described waterfowl hunting being ephemeral, you know,

592
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: meaning that like it changes honestly you might. It might

593
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: be really good today not as good tomorrow. Um, Like

594
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 1: what's happening like right now? I mean there's there's ducks here,

595
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: there's speckled bellies here, there's uh, there's tons of snows.

596
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: There's even within that there's probably like some cacklers, like

597
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: lesser Canadas, which one is the biggest? I mean, the

598
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: biggest goose of all is gonna be like a greater Canada.

599
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 1: I mean you can there's no can The Canadian geese

600
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: don't flock up like these big snow and not here

601
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: as much. I mean, there's not nearly as many Canadas.

602
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: And it's when it's when it's geese, it's always Canada's.

603
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: It's never Canadians. Canadians are people Canada. Would you have

604
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: known that, Natalie? Yeah, I've I've hunted in Saskatchewan. Before

605
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 1: in the outfitters do not like it when Americans show

606
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: up and want to shoot Canadians. Gotcha, gotcha, got you.

607
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: Natalie's a copy editor too, so I figured that. Yeah, okay,

608
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: I just learned something, And so did all the my

609
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: hill billy bear hunters. How many times have we said that,

610
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: Like in the last week a lot. We've got all

611
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: these like resident flocks of Canada geese all over that

612
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: never leave, you know. So we got Canada geese on

613
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: a pond like right by our house that we see

614
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: pretty often. That bear really wants to kill. Yeah, you

615
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: gotta get permission on that. Man. Oh we got the permission, bro,

616
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: you re yeah, yeah, I mean fish and deer hunt

617
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: and do whatever we want. Dude, we should go get him.

618
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: Jonathan's gonna leave the bazilion geese over here to go hunt.

619
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: The two are my only two Canada goose you're gonna

620
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: you want to come kill those? We do. I don't

621
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: know how many of it there, there's quite a few

622
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: at times at times. No, so was that helped me? Um?

623
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: So there's no Canada geese here, No, there are, They're

624
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: they're just not very many. So like even that's something

625
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: that changed. You know, as I understand it, like thirty

626
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: years ago, there was a bigger population of Canada that

627
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,479
Speaker 1: would come into Arkansas, and now just the migrations change,

628
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: they don't. They kind of stopped short in Illinois now.

629
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 1: So there's got to be a biological reason for that.

630
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: That has to do with the kind of geese that

631
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: they are and what they eat. I mean, I would assume, man,

632
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: there's yeah, and there's there's a lot of reasons. Like

633
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: if you ask someone wise duck hunting in Arkansas the

634
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: way it is right now, I mean, it could be

635
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: you could spend hours and hours and hours talking about

636
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: it and maybe not still understand all of it. Uh,

637
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: but no, I mean it's you'll see Canada's, you could

638
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: you could work some occasionally. You know, there's some guys

639
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: that and I've seen some guys on Instagram that like

640
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: every or there. They're more in the central part of

641
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: the state, but they wear Canada's at early season in

642
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: September in these strawberry fields. You know. But it's but

643
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: it's also a matter of the water fowling culture. You know,

644
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 1: so like Louisiana water fowling culture is based around gad walls,

645
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: and speckle bellies. Arkansas waterfowling culture is based around mallards.

646
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: You know. Um, you go some places and all they

647
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: shoot is diver ducks. And I mean that has to

648
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: be connected to opportunity though, right, I mean like, so

649
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: maybe the mallards aren't making it all the way down

650
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: to Lousiana. Yeah no, no, I mean there's mallards in Louisiana. Uh,

651
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: they just don't value them as much. No, there's just

652
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: a lot more gad walls and specs historically, so they

653
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: just kind of wanted to be successful, so they're like, hey,

654
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: let's culturally elevate the gad wall. Yeah. Well, it's just

655
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: you know, they call them gray ducks. That's right, That's

656
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: what I would do, yeh. I mean like I'm starting

657
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: to elevate dough white tailed deer because that's all I

658
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: can kill. Well man, it's uh yeah, I mean it's

659
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: it's availability, it's opportunity, you know. You you also have

660
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: these different flyways, you know, so like the Mississippi Flyway

661
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: has more mallards. You know, this place is called black

662
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: Duck Revival. We don't get very many black ducks. That's

663
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: a that's a East coast thing or uh, and you've

664
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: got the Central fly Away and you get the Pacific

665
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: Flyway and this is a major mallard flyway. Yeah, this is,

666
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 1: but it's changed into snow goose speckle belly Flyway more

667
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: than in times past. Well I'm just I'm we're talking

668
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: about speckle bellies and snow geese specifically in Arkansas, not

669
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: necessarily the entire flyway. So yeah, this is I mean,

670
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,479
Speaker 1: you gotta want to nerd out on ducks and geese

671
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: and stuff to really get all this stuff figured out.

672
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: And I still don't know all of it, you know,

673
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: Like I know, I know some stuff about where I

674
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: hunt and less stuff about other places, you know. But

675
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: I mean even like how fat the birds are here

676
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: as compared to some place else, or uh, you know,

677
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: if you go north, they're killing South Dakota, North Dakota,

678
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: they're killing ducks in dry fields, like very few ducks

679
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: are killed in dry fields in Arkansas, Like our duck

680
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 1: hunting is tied to water, you know. So uh, and

681
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: you're talking about the same species. Like up in North

682
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: Dakota they'll just flat where mallards out in dry fields,

683
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: but here they won't land in the dry field. I

684
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: mean they will, but almost everybody's killing them over water. Now,

685
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: Are they killing them there because that's the only place

686
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: they're at, or they just choose not to hunt dry

687
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: fields because that's not the way we do it. Is

688
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: that a fair question? Yeah? No, I think it's mostly

689
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: because that the ducks are here are tied to water.

690
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: But and now these ducks that are landing in what

691
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: they call green timber, which would be flooded timber, like,

692
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: they're landing into these a lot of places that would

693
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: have acorns on the ground. Is that right? That underwater?

694
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: Are they eating a lot of acorns? Yeah? So, I

695
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: mean they so. I guess what I'm getting at is

696
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: maybe in North Dakota the water doesn't have as much food.

697
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: On the North Dakota they're eating They're eating food out

698
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: of corn fields in the like I should be a

699
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 1: duck biologist, you should, uh now here there so flooded

700
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: green timber is um flood of green timber is you know,

701
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: that's kind of an ephemeral thing as well. So you know,

702
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: say maybe up to September October normally this is just

703
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: oak forest. You know, I'll deer hunt and squirrel hunting

704
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: these things, and then rivers like the cash and the

705
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: white will flood, They'll get beyond their banks and they'll

706
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: flood into those uh, those hardwood forests, and then it

707
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: floats all that food source up. So you're talking about acorns,

708
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: you're talking about invertebrates that you know that live in

709
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: the soil um all of that stuff, and ducks get

710
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: in there, and you know, it's the same reason that

711
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: bears are feed non acorns. You know, it's a calorie

712
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: dense food source. And you know, you're talking about a

713
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: bird that might have lost of its entire body weight

714
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: traveling down flying down here. Yeah, and so then they're

715
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: gonna I think it takes maybe five to seven days

716
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: they say, for it to replenish that weight that it's lost.

717
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: Really that quickly, that seems quick. I mean they'll and

718
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: they'll it depends on what they're eating, you know, like

719
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: there's actually there's more uh there's more calories and protein

720
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 1: and corn than there is in rice, which even that

721
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: could contribute to why you know, there's more birds hanging

722
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: out in uh Missouri maybe then coming down here because

723
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: Missouri's because we have more rice here. Super complex, yeah, yeah,

724
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: super complex, why they land where they land, why they

725
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: do what they do. But it's all got to be

726
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 1: connected to to food for them though, because this whole

727
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: migration forum is all about all about food. They'd stay

728
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,919
Speaker 1: up north if the water didn't freeze, and they could,

729
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: they absolutely will. Like that's the thing a duck does

730
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: not have. People think that ducks have to fly so out.

731
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: They don't have to fly sout. What they're doing is

732
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: they're fighting the freeze line and the snow line. It's like,

733
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: you know, a duck had of downcoat on, right, A

734
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: duck wants it to be thirty three degrees. They want

735
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: it as cold as it can be without freezing and

736
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: locking up their food. So when it starts getting cold

737
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: enough to freeze that water up and lock their food

738
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: sources up, or the snow so deep, think they can't

739
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: dig through it and get down to that food. Then

740
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: move south. And then when you have I mean, like

741
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: here's something crazy to think about. You know, you have

742
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: like these say like these nuclear plants or something right,

743
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: and they're pumping river water in and then expelling it

744
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: at a temperature of eighty two degrees or something year round.

745
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: So those reservoirs and they're like, they don't freeze up anymore.

746
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: They always stay open, so the ducks they're not getting

747
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: locked out of it, you know. But I mean, but

748
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: just historically this has always been a Mallard fly away.

749
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 1: You know, they've got they've got dig sites of you know,

750
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: ancient humans in this area where there's just years and

751
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: years and years of just compiled mallard bones. You know

752
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: that they were they were killing with you know, bow

753
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: and arrow or a slingshot or whatever they were using

754
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: at the time. So this is historically all they were

755
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: shooting them off the top of the water, not when

756
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: they're flying. Probably that's why they call it Arkansas on it, right.

757
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but no, I guarantee you

758
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: they're shooting them. They were getting them anyway they could.

759
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: You know. Um, they may not have been as good

760
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: as sportsman as we are. That's what I'm getting at, man.

761
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: You know, I've got I've got mixed feelings about that

762
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: and all the all the rules and and stuff about

763
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: about duck hunting. You know, really in my estimation and

764
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: this might make me a pariety of some people. You know,

765
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: the sport quote unquote in it, Uh, it's in, you know,

766
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: communicate and interacting with those birds and convincing them to

767
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 1: coming in land, you know, so like once they've once

768
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: they've landed, you've done. I see what you're saying. It's

769
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: like the debate do you shoot him? You've heard the

770
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: great Big Game debate about which I think is absolutely ridiculous.

771
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: There's no debate. But should you shoot a bedded animal? Yeah,

772
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: it's like, man, if you if you get in close

773
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: to a bedded animal and can shoot it, you've done

774
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: your job. That's what I'm hearing you say. Well, I

775
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: mean lands on the water, you've done your job. Yes,

776
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 1: Now I would say I'm not. I'm not just making

777
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: a living out of water swatting ducks. I don't want

778
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 1: to say that. But you know, I don't I see

779
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: your point. I think I think I think a lot

780
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: of times, you know, if they if you land a

781
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: group of twenty five, a lot of folks will scare them,

782
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: you know, the holler atom or something to jump him

783
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: off and then shoot him in the air. I don't

784
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: know that you're I don't know that you're any really

785
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: in less of a duck hunter or any less noble.

786
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: If you shoot one and then shoot the rest of it.

787
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: They all fly and like again, I've got to reiterate this.

788
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not saying I'm making a living off

789
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: of doing that. Sure, but um, sometimes there's I mean,

790
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: as long as you're being ethical and you're following the

791
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: law and you're following the rules, then I try not

792
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 1: to try not to get too too deep into how

793
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 1: you should do stuff, like do stuff that you feel

794
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: okay with you. You know, I understand, I understand, Natalie,

795
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: change your topic here. So I was gonna do this

796
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: at first, but I had to establish what we were doing,

797
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: and then we went into the deep the duck hole. Um,

798
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: tell me about just like your career, like what do

799
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: you do for outdoor life? So we're taking a total pivot, Jonathan,

800
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna come back. We're gonna come back then, and

801
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: if you've got some questions for you can have them

802
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 1: as well. But yeah, like, uh, how did you get started?

803
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: I just kind of give me like an overview of

804
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: your career and outdoor media? Yeah, um, how did I

805
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: get started? Yeah? How did I end up sitting right

806
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: here with you guys? Like? Yeah, um, I Uh. The

807
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: shortest version is that I studied magazine journalism in college. Um.

808
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 1: I really wanted to do photojournalism. That wasn't a major, uh,

809
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: but magazine journalism was. And UM, we had had to

810
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: go to graduate. I had to do what they called

811
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: the journalism residency, and I had to go work at

812
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: a publication for we're in the quarter system, not semesters

813
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: for a quarter. Um. And there's this whole long list

814
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: of publications and there is like, oh, like Fortune and

815
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: like Cosmo Girls. I can't go work for any of

816
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: those publications. But out Door Life was on the list. Um,

817
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: and I picked them, and they picked me because most

818
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: JAS students from you know, Chicago did not want to

819
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: go work for a hunting and fishing magazine. Uh. So

820
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: I interned there in the fall of Did you have

821
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: some hunting fishing background at all? Yeah? So I grew up, Um,

822
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: I grew up in I grew up in Missouri. UM.

823
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: My families all originally from Kentucky. I was born in Kentucky. Um,

824
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: We've got a family farm in southern Indiana. So I

825
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: grew up in a hunting family. But I I was

826
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: around it a lot when I was a kid. But

827
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: I didn't buy my first hunting license until I was

828
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: in college. UM, and part of that is simply just

829
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: I didn't live where I hunted. My mom was not

830
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 1: super into hunting. UM, I'm one of three girls. There's

831
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: a whole lot of family dynamics there. But I got

832
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 1: into it a little bit later. But then I got

833
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: into it like really hard. Once I started Internet in

834
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: O L. I was like why, like why have I

835
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: not been doing this in my whole life? And then

836
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: I fell down that rabbit hole. So I earned intern

837
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: uh followed, and then I graduated college in UM and

838
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: I tried of it a little bit, and then I

839
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: got a freelancing job at Outdoor Life. UM kind of

840
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: heard there might be an assistant editor position open, so

841
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: I freelanced for eight months and worked at a restaurant.

842
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: UM lived in St. Louis with my sister, just kind

843
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: of hoping the job would open up. Uh. And then

844
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: it did, and I guess that would have been And

845
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: I moved to New York City as assistant editor for

846
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: Outdoor Life and I've been there ever since. What does it? Uh?

847
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: What what is the skill set that you're really good

848
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: at that's made you so you're making a career to

849
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: this now you've been outdoor life for six years. Like

850
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: I'm still I mean, I consider myself a writer, but

851
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 1: after yeah, yeah, but I am not a copy editor.

852
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: I am not. I have no like background education in

853
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: uh in English or journalism besides like high school and

854
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: just a little bit of college. What it describe somebody

855
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 1: you don't have describe yourself. You can describe yourself. What

856
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: skill set do you have that makes you good at

857
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: what you do? Uh, that's interesting. There's I mean, there's

858
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: a few things that you got me the job, right,

859
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: which are like on paper, Um, you know, I can

860
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: read and write pretty well. I'm not especially eloquent. Like

861
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: the things that I say are not grammatically correct a

862
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: lot of the time. Um, and I couldn't tell you like, oh,

863
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: this is how you parse a sentence and this is

864
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: a predicate in a subject like I don't really I

865
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,439
Speaker 1: thought that's what you would be like really good at. Yeah,

866
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: in theory, I should be able to, like I don't

867
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: speak that grammatical language of being able to like purse

868
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: every single thing. You know, I've picked a lot of

869
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: it up over the years. But like to me, I

870
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: can look at a sentence just the way that I

871
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: operate and say there's something wrong there that doesn't make sense,

872
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: and I can fix it. But I can't, Like I

873
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: don't really care what the techne like the terminology is.

874
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: That's not important. Let me ask you a question, let

875
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: me stop you. So. I know just from being in

876
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: in journalism that nobody write something that isn't edited by

877
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: someone else. So when you turn in your stuff to

878
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 1: whoever you turn into, do they go, oh, greatly stuff?

879
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: I hope not. Um. Yeah, every and that's what they

880
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: say for me now at the new place that I

881
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: work Spencer new Hearth. Uh yeah, but what you're writing

882
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: is so good you know that it doesn't matter. They're

883
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: willing to wade through grammar as long as you've got

884
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: something to say. Um. So I will say everybody needs

885
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: an editor. People who don't think they need an editor. Yeah,

886
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 1: I mean I I turned my stuff into a couple

887
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: of different people. They'll read it. You know, nothing ever

888
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: gets posted unless maybe it's an Instagram caption, um, social

889
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: media copy that another editor hasn't looked at. Um. So

890
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: back to your original question, Like, honestly, like you can

891
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: learn to write, you can learn to do a lot

892
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: of the stuff that goes into my job. You have

893
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: to you have to be curious, Like you have to

894
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: be genuinely interested in people. Um. You have to ask

895
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: questions like I used to be. Journalism really helped me

896
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: learn to talk to people. Um. I used to be

897
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: super introverted, Like did not like to pick up the

898
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: phone and call somebody, Like I hated doing it. I

899
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: used to hate podcasts. I used to make me sweat, um,

900
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: But journalism taught me it's like you'd be surprised. Like

901
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: it used to make me really nervous. But what I

902
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 1: learned through journalism is like people are fascinating and they've

903
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: got fascinating stories to tell. Um. And to be a

904
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: good reporter, you need to remove yourself from that a

905
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: lot of the time. Sometimes there's times when you're part

906
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: of the story. But you also need to know like

907
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: when it's not about you, when it's about the people

908
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: that you're around. Um, what readers are interested in, Like

909
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: what can they learn from this? Like what's fascinating about

910
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: what's happening around you? Um? And there's so much of

911
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: that in the outdoor industry. UM. Like that is that,

912
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, is the coolest part

913
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: of My job is I get to go a lot

914
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: of places and meet really interesting people and tell their stories.

915
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 1: And that was a job that I did not know existed. Um,

916
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: you know, I knew about it a little in J

917
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: school and then I started doing it. It was like

918
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 1: J school journal journal sorryt uh so that I think

919
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: you just need to be curious to do this, And yeah,

920
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: that's a that's a really good answer, you know. The

921
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm literally I'm asking you that because I'm

922
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: I'm interested in it, because I'm I'm trying to understand

923
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: these things for myself. Um, what I feel like that

924
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: at least the kind of journey air quotes journalism that

925
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 1: I do, which might be videos or might be articles,

926
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: and I don't do a lot of like interview type stuff.

927
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: Most of the stuff I'm writing about is is my

928
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: interpretation of kind of some aspect of hunting or or

929
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: maybe even just like a how to tactic thing. But

930
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: but it feels like in in media we're trying to interpret,

931
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: we're interpreters, you know, So like you're you're here with

932
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: Jonathan duck hunting and Eastern Arkansas or goose hunting in

933
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 1: Eastern Arkansas. Like he may think this is like normal

934
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: That's the way I always think about it. Like to him,

935
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 1: this is like normal life. He does this all the time.

936
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: But we come in here and we're like interpreting where

937
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: there's value, where there's interest, where there's significance, where there's

938
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: something that's weird, where there's something that maybe people don't

939
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: understand that he understands. And it's like putting all that together.

940
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: But your word curious says it just perfect. It's not

941
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: just about like going somewhere and just like went hunting.

942
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about the hunting totally and well.

943
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: And the other thing too is, um, it's interpreting and

944
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 1: people are going to do that differently, Like your takeaways

945
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: from this trip could be totally unlikely will be not

946
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: totally different, but there'll be a nuance and they'll be

947
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: different than mine, um, you know, And so we would

948
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: come away with different stories to tell that may have

949
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: central characters and themes and stuff, but um, the takeaway

950
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: is different. Um. And that's the other thing. You know.

951
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: I mentioned ournalism like school a couple of times, but

952
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: you don't, like, you don't need that if you want

953
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: to do this, like it's just like hunting like if

954
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: you want to get good at it, you just have

955
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: to do it, so like you just have to practice

956
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: it and try and be interested. So that was the

957
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: other caveat. But yeah, it's interpreting. What's your what's your

958
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: like favorite thing? Like I could, I could tell you

959
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 1: what my favorite like my bread and butter is inside

960
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: of journalists, what's your what's your bread and butter? What

961
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: do you what's your what do you focus on? Like

962
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: the kind of work I like to do back UM,

963
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 1: I like to do UM. And they're difficult, and they're

964
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: the most challenging and I often drag my feet on them.

965
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: But my favorite thing to do is to go someplace UM.

966
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be totally wild, but someplace new

967
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: and interesting UM and write a more like in depth, reported,

968
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: investigative feature on it. And if I can take photos

969
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 1: to go with it, great. And you give me an example,

970
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: you've uh. One of one of the bigger ones was

971
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: UM I went into the Boundary Waters in northern Minnesota,

972
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: the Boundary Waters Wilderness. UM. I think it was early UM.

973
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: I went with a couple of guys who have been

974
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: working to protect the wilderness from mining. UM on the

975
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: borders Um, it's like one of the most pristine and

976
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,919
Speaker 1: most visited wilderness is in the US. We went in there,

977
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: uh in March. It was completely frozen over. So we

978
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: took these like sleds in camped on the ice for

979
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: a few days, ice fish, snow shoot. Um. Just did

980
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: a wilderness trip. And when I got out of there,

981
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: I had to right about it, Like I had to

982
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: write about this battle that was happening in this wilderness,

983
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: UM and try and extrapolate my experiences into something that um,

984
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: you know it was research, but but would try and

985
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: tell a story. UM solved in this story. Yeah, so

986
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: I haven't. Yeah, I happened to play a role there.

987
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: And part of that is just because, like I went there,

988
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: it was sort of on the ground reporting. UM. And

989
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: what's tricky about that and kind of fun is like

990
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 1: some of it can get dry, like people can get

991
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: worn out about, oh, sign this petition save this place.

992
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: It's like, well, I don't live there, Like I'm worried

993
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: about this. You know, people get that that fatigue around

994
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: a lot of public lands and a lot of the

995
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: issues that are happening. And so the challenge there for

996
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: me was how do I make this place and these

997
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,479
Speaker 1: people important to somebody who's never been here but maybe

998
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: might want to one day, or it's related to something

999
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: that's going on where they live. Um So to me

1000
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: to do that is is the most fun. Um and

1001
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: again that's that includes people in new places. Um. You know,

1002
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 1: I did something I've never done before, which was sleep

1003
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 1: on a couple of feet of ice and ice fish

1004
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: like I'm not from the north, like, I've never done

1005
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: that before freezing, but it was awesome. So what what

1006
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: what about you? What's your m you know, not being

1007
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: solely like when I think about my outdoor media world,

1008
00:56:55,800 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: like I'm kind of segmenting it into writing, v DEO podcasting.

1009
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: You know, I think I feel most accomplished and feel

1010
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: like I've probably done the best interpretation of a of

1011
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: a of a of a hunt and portraying that to

1012
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: people in a way that's compelling. It's probably through video,

1013
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: Like I probably like video more than anything, but I

1014
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: have recently, Uh well, I've been toying around with some

1015
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:32,959
Speaker 1: longer form writing, and uh I actually like that better

1016
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: than so. For the last seven years with Bare Honey magazine,

1017
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: I've pretty much trained my brain when I write to

1018
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: think magazine article like I just thinking, you know, word blocks,

1019
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: you know, with subpoints in a sidebar. So the last

1020
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: year I've been doing some longer form writing with a

1021
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: potential project that I'm doing, and um, that has been

1022
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: really fun, like uh yeah, like like book chapters, like

1023
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: just you know, having bigger space, longer time to do it. Um.

1024
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: So for writing, I like the longer form communication really.

1025
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: But but also love too, And people that listen to

1026
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: this podcast would to hear this. I do. I do

1027
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: love people in love, you know, just authentic, genuine people

1028
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: interviewing them. Um, I do enjoy that I do. And

1029
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: we've had some pretty pretty cool interviews on this podcast

1030
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: with some old guys and interesting guys that uh probably

1031
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: never well I had to tell them what a podcast was.

1032
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: That's usually my favorite kind of guests. You guys are

1033
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: like in the nose, you know what a podcast is.

1034
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:50,959
Speaker 1: But it would have been cooler, Natalie if you would

1035
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: have sat down and you have said, Clay, what are

1036
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: we what are we doing? What is this? That would

1037
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: have been like, yeah, this this is gonna be good.

1038
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: No no, um no, I get. What I'm trying to

1039
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 1: say is guys that the world doesn't know the interview

1040
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: and those kind of guys and I got, I got,

1041
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: I know a lot of them. Those are usually guys

1042
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: I gravitate towards. But no, so yeah, um man, you

1043
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: weren't supposed to ask me a question. Another this is

1044
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: what I do for a living. I asked people questions podcast.

1045
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: Wait can I ask Jonathan a question? Yes? Yes? What

1046
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: about you, Jonathan? I know you like to write, but like,

1047
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: what's um, where do you stand on this as as

1048
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: far as what what interests me? Like what like if

1049
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: you're telling the story, like whether it's ring or like

1050
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: like because you you you do right? Yeah, I mean

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00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: I think I'm uh, I think I'm probably best at

1052
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: examining my own perspectives and my own interpretations of stuff.

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00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: Uh uh, just trying to be self analytical about it.

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01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: And I kind of worked from the premise that the

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01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: the more personal you can make something, the more universal,

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01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: uh the applicability of it is, you know. Uh, I

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01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: mean I don't know that I'm I don't know that

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01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: I'm experienced enough to act like I have some sort

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01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: of an expertise or anything. Like. Most of what I've

1060
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: written is uh either kind of academically research based or

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01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: like real, super personal, and I kind of feel like

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01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm developing a style that's a blending of those two. Yeah.

1063
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: Jonathan wrote a really cool piece for US on a

1064
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: guy named Hoyt Holt Collier who was who was? He's

1065
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: an African American guy that guided Roosevelt on the famous

1066
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: bear hunt in Mississippi when they Holt Collier was the

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01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: guy that actually last swed the bear and had it

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01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: tied up for Roosevelt. Is that right? Johnny wrote a

1069
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: cool article for US and Barony Magazine about that. You

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01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: did a good job with it. That was cool. That

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01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: was that. I got a lot of comments on that

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01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: story just because it was Yeah. But man, well, um, shoot, Natalie,

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01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: your question is totally through. I had another question for you, Um,

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01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: are you uh but you're a writer? I mean like

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01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: your main focus is writing? Um? In theory, yes, Um,

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01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: A lot of what I do day to day is

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01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: editing and often writing. I put that last. Um, I

1078
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: used to freelance before I got the full time job.

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01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: But there's a whole lot of things that going to

1080
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 1: being an editor. Um, I should write more, but I

1081
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: procrastinating what's outdoor life trying to do? Like, what what

1082
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: is there. I mean, like outdoor Life is such a

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01:01:55,800 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: iconic brand for outdoor I mean, you know, arguably the

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01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: most recognizable name really in the hunting and fishing space,

1085
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: especially long term. Like what are they? I don't know,

1086
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: what are they? What are they trying to do these days? Yeah? Yeah,

1087
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 1: we've been around since Um we're still I don't know,

1088
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: to simply, we're trying to tell good stories. I mean

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01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: that's what we like to do. Is we like to

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01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: tell stories. We like to report on stuff. We do

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01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 1: a lot of conservation stuff. Um. We do more reporting

1092
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: than a lot of um, I think titles in the

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01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: hunting space, both online and in print. Um, even a

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01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: little bit more than our sister publication Field and Stream.

1095
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: So we just like to do stuff that people are

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01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: interested in. And and what's cool is even if say,

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01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: you know, I write something about speckle belly hunting, like

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01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: ideally somebody who is reading ter Life for the deer

1099
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 1: hunting like could read that and still be interested. UM.

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01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 1: So I mean we're a general title. We'll talk about

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01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff, including bear hunting. Um. But at

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01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: the end of the day, that's what we hope to accomplish. Yeah, Now,

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01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 1: outdoor life. Do they have any video arm of what

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01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: they're doing? We do? I mean, I do a little

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01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: bit of video. Like we're all kind of one man bands.

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01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: We we used to do um back in the heyday

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01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 1: of Facebook, before all the algorithms change, we did a

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01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 1: lot of Facebook video. Um. And so I've done various

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01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 1: types of video, but we don't we don't have a

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01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 1: dedicated video production team. Okay, got it, got it? Um? Hey, Jonathan,

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01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: I need to tell you a story that is relevant

1112
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: to me sitting here right now. This this, this is

1113
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: a ridiculous story. Okay, okay, um, bar you know what

1114
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: I'm about to say. Baron Nukem was involved in the story.

1115
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: This happened yesterday. Like I'm almost not sitting in this

1116
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 1: chair because of what happened. That a decision that I made.

1117
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: I've been hunting a deer and I'm not gonna say,

1118
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 1: like I kind of have to keep the cards like

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01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 1: spread across the table, face down, like in all my hunting.

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01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: So I hunt down in South Arkansas, I hunt up

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01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: in Northwest Arkansas. I kind of hunt all over western Arkansas. Okay,

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01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna say where this happened. And I

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01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: can drive to these places and do a day hunt.

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01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: So so who knows where this happened, but I have

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01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: been after a really big buck. The best buck that

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01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: I've had on camera in since two thousand twelve? Is

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01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 1: that right? Best buck I've had on camera since two

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Speaker 1: thousand twelve? Okay, I I think the deer's a hundred

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01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: sixty inch deer. It's probably a hundred and fifty inch deer,

1130
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: but we've been calling it the one sixty. We've actually

1131
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: renamed the deer after the story I'm about to tell you.

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01:04:55,320 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: Um so yesterday, the Arkansas year season last until tomorrow.

1133
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: Rifle season. Okay. I typically am I bow a white

1134
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 1: tail bow hunter. I mean, like that's what I've where

1135
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: I've made my money, metaphorical money, and deer hunting is uh,

1136
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: white tail bow hunting, and but in recent years I've

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01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: kind of become more of a white tail generalist, especially

1138
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: when it comes to taking a big deer, which we

1139
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: kill a lot of you. I mean, my these boys

1140
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: have literally been raised their whole life on deer meat,

1141
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: so we're meat hunters. But we were not afraid to

1142
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: shoot a big one and not afraid to target a

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01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 1: big one specifically and dedicate ourselves to that. Well. I

1144
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 1: got pictures of this deer. Early have hunted white tail,

1145
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: hunted more this year than I have in many, many years,

1146
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 1: motivated by this deer. Okay, I've seen a deer with

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01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 1: my eyes two different times, Jonathan, I haven't said any

1148
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 1: of this publicly. Um. I had to dear at twenty

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01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: five yards on October the nine. I had my bow

1150
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 1: in my hand and could not shoot the deer. Um.

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01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: Yesterday morning, I went to a place that I like

1152
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 1: to hunt and had intentions of hunting this place. The

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01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: creek was too high. I could not cross the creek,

1154
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: so I had to reroute my whole day for hunting.

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01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 1: And the day it was pretty much like shot, I

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01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: decided to go. I had given up on this big deer.

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01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,479
Speaker 1: That's the that's the other. This is a short version

1158
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: of a very long story. This deer. I have not

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01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 1: had pictures of him, uh since November, the one I

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01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 1: had it, picked a lot of pictures of him in October.

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01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 1: Then he disappeared. So for the last thirty days, this

1162
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: steers just gone. And you know, I had zero confidence

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01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 1: that I was maybe ever gonna see him again. Maybe

1164
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 1: he got killed. Maybe he wasn't gonna come back. I

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01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 1: didn't have many years of experience with this deer. Sometimes

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01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 1: you get, you know, years of experience with the deer,

1167
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: sea can kind of predict when they're gonna start showing

1168
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 1: back up in a certain place. I've had that happen

1169
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 1: over the years, and You're like, Yeah, that deer is

1170
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: gonna show up after the rut. Well I didn't. I

1171
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: didn't have that experience with this deer, didn't know it,

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01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 1: hadn't seen the deer on camera in thirty days, and

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01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: so the day was shot in this one particular location,

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01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: and so I'd given up on this deer. But I

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01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 1: ended up hunting in the area that this deer was

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01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: in for the sole purpose of shooting a dough. Like

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01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 1: I I went in there and I told bar I said, man,

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01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go shoot a dough. That was what

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01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 1: I was gonna try to do. And uh, oh, this

1180
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: is a sad story. Still hurts um. I go in

1181
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 1: to shoot a dough and uh I am carrying a

1182
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 1: muzzloader for reasons that for many reasons the muzzloader that

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01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 1: I have, but I love it. It's very light where

1184
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 1: I'm hunting there's no chance really of getting two shots

1185
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: in any game. The smuggloaders accurate like it's super light small,

1186
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 1: it's it's like super short. I enjoy carrying the gun.

1187
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 1: I've killed a lot of critters with muzzloaders during firearms seasons,

1188
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 1: so I didn't think much about carrying the muzzloader. I'm

1189
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 1: do hunt. I'm trying to tell the story so that

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01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:27,679
Speaker 1: it comes out the best. I'm sitting there the last

1191
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:34,839
Speaker 1: two hours of daylight yesterday and was not really even hunting,

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01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I was like looking at

1193
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 1: my phone. I was distracted, Like I was like, not,

1194
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 1: of all the honey I've done this whole year, I

1195
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 1: was it was the least it was the most distracted

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01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 1: hunt I've been on the entire year. At about four

1197
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 1: forty five, I have five bucks come walking through, which

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01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 1: was news to me because these bucks had got back

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01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 1: into a bachelor group. They were all year old bucks,

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01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:04,200
Speaker 1: spikes and three points five of them, you know, the

1201
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 1: single file line, came walking past me and I was like, huh,

1202
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 1: that's interesting. That perked me up, you know, and uh,

1203
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: one of them started looking back behind him, looking back

1204
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 1: behind him, looking back behind him, and sure enough, the

1205
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 1: buck that I've been after all year. I just turned

1206
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: and he's at forty yards right there. I've got a hunt.

1207
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 1: I've got a muzzloader that shoots like lights out. You know. Um.

1208
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 1: The problem. The problem comes in with what happened a

1209
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 1: week before when I hunted in the rain for about

1210
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:53,480
Speaker 1: six hours straight and I had not reloaded the muzzloader

1211
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 1: after the rain, but earlier in the season. This is

1212
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 1: a new I'm gonna tell I mean, everybody knows what

1213
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:01,719
Speaker 1: I'm shooting. I'm shoot a c V, a accurate mountain rifle.

1214
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,639
Speaker 1: It's not the gun's fault. What's about to happen? Okay,

1215
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:10,640
Speaker 1: I'm foreshadowing earlier in the year, Jonathan, I hunted in

1216
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:14,560
Speaker 1: heavy rain for hours and I was carrying that muzzloader

1217
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 1: and I thought, man, there's no way this gun will shoot.

1218
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 1: And I cocked it back when I got done honeting,

1219
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 1: just to test it. It's a brand new Gunoh shot

1220
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 1: just great. And I've been sitting in the rain, so

1221
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I got a lot of confidence.

1222
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: Three weeks two weeks ago, I was walking across the

1223
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,560
Speaker 1: same creek I couldn't cross the other day, fell in

1224
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 1: the creek. While I was holding the muzzloader, the breech

1225
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: plug went under the water. I filmed this, and I

1226
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 1: was like, I wonder if a single shoot. When I

1227
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 1: got back to the truck, I put my camera up

1228
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: on the grill in my truck, cocked the hammer boom,

1229
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:54,560
Speaker 1: shoots just perfect like so I have like incredible confidence

1230
01:10:55,200 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 1: in this gun not letting exterior water to get into

1231
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 1: the pirate ex pellets. Okay, what Clay did not calculate

1232
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: is extreme weather variations in my truck. This this week,

1233
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 1: it got up to down to like twenty one degrees

1234
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 1: up in northwest Arkansas. And then it was also inside

1235
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:20,879
Speaker 1: of my truck was probably getting up into the sixties

1236
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,600
Speaker 1: and seventies at different times during the day. And I

1237
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 1: just left my gun in my truck. And what happens

1238
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 1: with muzzloaders. And I knew this, but I just for

1239
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 1: some reason, it didn't account for me. You know, it

1240
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:36,640
Speaker 1: just wasn't gonna happen to me. Those muzzleloaders when they

1241
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 1: go through like big temperature swings and you have them loaded,

1242
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 1: they will condensate moisture in the barrel. So it wasn't

1243
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 1: the rain. Well, I'm just now kind of thinking all

1244
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 1: this through. Uh it this is also fresh well, and

1245
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 1: I had figured this before. It was it was, it wasn't.

1246
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 1: It was not the rain that happened the week before

1247
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 1: that did happen. It was the It was being in

1248
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 1: my truck and the fact that I hadn't reloaded it

1249
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 1: since that day. Anyway, this big, big d fifty easy

1250
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 1: plus buck stand there, thirty five yards hunted all season.

1251
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 1: I put the crosstairs on him, and that gun just

1252
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 1: just pops in a ball of fire, spits out of

1253
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 1: that barrel and lands about ten yards out in front

1254
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 1: of my gun, and uh, the deer just runs off.

1255
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: So no, no deer, no huge deer for Clay. That's

1256
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 1: my story. Story story. Yeah, yeah, it's terrible story. So

1257
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 1: the reason that is relevant to me being here right

1258
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 1: now is if I had known that deer was anywhere

1259
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 1: in the country, I would probably be up there hunting tonight.

1260
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:59,600
Speaker 1: But because I spooked him so bad last night, I'd like, like,

1261
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 1: course we're going to something. You go get him at

1262
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 1: the Christmas hunt, Well, I'll bow hunt him. I mean,

1263
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 1: if he's still around these deer like this, I wouldn't

1264
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 1: be surprised if I didn't see that deer again. May

1265
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 1: you know potentially next year, I think he would. I mean,

1266
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know if I don't know

1267
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 1: if I'll see him again. How bad did they run off?

1268
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 1: Everybody's asked me that question, and I don't think that's

1269
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 1: really a fair question. When deer run off, they just

1270
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 1: run off. You don't have deer run at different speeds.

1271
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 1: They all like leave at top speed. You know, that's funny.

1272
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 1: There was there was tail up like that's what's bizarre.

1273
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 1: As I saw nothing. There was blues, you know, like

1274
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 1: the the pellets ignited to some degree. What I think

1275
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 1: happened is I think that there was like partial ignition,

1276
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 1: and so the bullet probably just like hit the dirt

1277
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 1: right out in front. But what puffed out was part

1278
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 1: of that pirated X pellet that was like half ignited.

1279
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 1: And so I think I was so focused on like

1280
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:10,600
Speaker 1: the malfunction, I didn't even see him run off, Like

1281
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 1: I never even saw him run off. So we spent

1282
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:16,640
Speaker 1: a good part of this morning looking for the I

1283
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 1: went and looked for the deer, tried to find any

1284
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 1: indication of if it was hit, and nothing. I made

1285
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: big loops and circles. So I'm, you know, ninety nine

1286
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 1: point nine percent sure that the deer was not was

1287
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:34,640
Speaker 1: not hit. So anyway, I just had to tell you

1288
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 1: guys that story, so you would you know, just no, Yeah,

1289
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 1: well I hate that happening, but I'm glad you came

1290
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 1: to to a waterfowl hunter like Jonathan. He's like, what's

1291
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 1: the big deal? Man, I missed a goose yesterday over that? Man,

1292
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 1: I mean I killed, I was killing deer before I

1293
01:14:55,600 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 1: was killing ducks. Yeah. Well Bear was heartbroken over it too.

1294
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: Bear was after this deer too, but he killed. He

1295
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 1: used both of his buck tags up. So no, I'm

1296
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 1: still trying to process the emotional trauma. I mean, I've

1297
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 1: missed plenty of deer, but this is the biggest deer

1298
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 1: I've ever missed, and it's the it's the just having

1299
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: one in your lap that close with No. I mean,

1300
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 1: when I saw him, I was just like, this is it? This,

1301
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: this is done deal. So that's that's what's hard for

1302
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 1: me to stomach. It wasn't like he was a little

1303
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 1: bit out of range, or he was walking or he

1304
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:39,720
Speaker 1: was running away. When I show it was like I

1305
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 1: could have hit him with a rock. That's what's said,

1306
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 1: and I do want to say that. I just want

1307
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 1: to say it again. Like people have heard me rant

1308
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 1: about how great my c v A is, it is.

1309
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 1: I still love the c b A. If you drop

1310
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 1: in the water and pick it up, I think it

1311
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: was shoot. If you leave it in your truck with

1312
01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 1: fifty degree temperature swings, any muzzloader in the world it's

1313
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 1: not gonna shoot. So here's what I learned. And the

1314
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 1: whole reason that I'm going to tell that story is

1315
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 1: because of the breach the breech plug on those c

1316
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 1: v as, you can just screw out with your hand.

1317
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:12,760
Speaker 1: You don't need a tool, which every muzzler I've had

1318
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 1: you have had to have a tool. You just gotta

1319
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 1: unload it. You just gotta screw out the breech plug,

1320
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 1: pour the pirated X pellets out, and you know it's

1321
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 1: just a little pellets, and you just put those pellets

1322
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 1: back in just like you're loading a single shot gun,

1323
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 1: just like I mean, pretty much every time you hunt.

1324
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 1: That's what I'm gonna do from now on. Yeah, man,

1325
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 1: I actually I learned that lesson, uh when I was

1326
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 1: hunting that bear and I found on that sign and

1327
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 1: I called you about it, and I went back and

1328
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 1: I sat out there in the rain like underneath this, uh,

1329
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 1: this little outcropping of rock, and uh, I never even

1330
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:52,640
Speaker 1: thought i'd actually like put a duct tape over the

1331
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 1: over the barrel of the gun and then right there

1332
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 1: by the breech plug. I thought I was good to

1333
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 1: go and that whatever. I didn't kill that bear, and

1334
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 1: I went home. Like a week later, I pulled that

1335
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 1: thing out and it was just, you know, it was like, uh,

1336
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 1: it was like a poultice or something in there, Like

1337
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,719
Speaker 1: it wasn't solid anymore. It was like a paste of pirate.

1338
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 1: Week later, it wouldn't have shot. Yeah, I mean, but

1339
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 1: I think I'm afraid of that bear to come out,

1340
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 1: you know, twenty yards and I shot at it wouldn't

1341
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: have fired. So yeah, and I didn't. I hadn't messed

1342
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 1: with muzzleloaders a ton at all up to that point. Now.

1343
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I did kill a deer last year with

1344
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: that same muzzleloader, but just very different conditions. So yeah, man,

1345
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 1: that uh, oh god, it hurts my heart for you. Man.

1346
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 1: You know, I've never had any trouble with muzzloaders. This

1347
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 1: is the first time, and I love muzzleloaders because of

1348
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 1: the you're getting hot with a firearm and a in

1349
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 1: a in a good part of the season usually, but

1350
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 1: on this in this case, it was going against me

1351
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:02,560
Speaker 1: because it was during a firearm season. I mean, I

1352
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 1: could have been carrying a rifle, but it was just like, Man,

1353
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 1: this gun shoots as good as rifles I've got, I'm

1354
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 1: gonna shoot this gun. So I learned a valuable lesson,

1355
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 1: very very valuable. Um uh So anyway, that's that's why

1356
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 1: I'm so sad. Jonathan. We'll see if we can change

1357
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 1: it tomorrow. Man. Yeah, Man, I'm looking forward to it

1358
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 1: very much. So. Um Natalie, any any uh closing thoughts?

1359
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 1: We can We've been we've we've We've been talking for

1360
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 1: an hour and twelve minutes, which is about on on

1361
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: par for the Barony Magazine podcast. Well, I do, but

1362
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna start anything fresh now. Oh you have something? No, No,

1363
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 1: I could, No, I don't know, no, no. I I

1364
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 1: was just thinking about my mishap with during muzzle inter season.

1365
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 1: Serious is the bear story I was telling about earlier?

1366
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 1: The only thing I wanted to because he says the

1367
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 1: bear Hunting magazine I passed and I didn't wanna, you know,

1368
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:14,559
Speaker 1: only talk about Um. I did something stupid during muzzle

1369
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 1: inter season this year in Arkansas, which was I was

1370
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 1: running behind and I did not check my muzzleloader before

1371
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,719
Speaker 1: I went out to go hunt in the Ozark National Forest,

1372
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 1: UH with a couple of buddies. UM. So I took

1373
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 1: my bow with me because I was like, great, like,

1374
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 1: you know, I'll just shoot my bow. There's arrange ne

1375
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 1: your camp. I can go in the middle of the

1376
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 1: day on the opener just like check it. But I

1377
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 1: don't want to take something out that I might have

1378
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:40,680
Speaker 1: knocked off whatever. I've been a few years since I

1379
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:44,720
Speaker 1: shot it. So opening morning of muzzleoadter season, I go

1380
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:48,559
Speaker 1: one around the National Forest and I don't know, it's

1381
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 1: probably like eight am, nine am something like that. I

1382
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 1: sit down on this trail. Um. It's kind of this

1383
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 1: big open bowl in front of me, and I see

1384
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 1: what looks like a pretty good game trail UM. And

1385
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 1: I'm on the side of the this ridge and I

1386
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 1: just sit down and eat breakfast for like fifteen minutes,

1387
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 1: put my rapper away. I'm just sitting there and here

1388
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 1: comes a bear down this trail, and I mean, I

1389
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:09,840
Speaker 1: just moved to Arkansas. I heard their bears here, but

1390
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 1: I've never been just like sitting in the woods like

1391
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 1: I've I've killed a bear before, I've hunted bears, but

1392
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 1: it's been nothing like this in Arkansas. Um. And it's

1393
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 1: just coming down the trail, and I'm like, oh, this

1394
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 1: is perfect, because it looked like he was going to

1395
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 1: take this trail down into this little bowl. And I'm sitting,

1396
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 1: you know, fifty yards up on the hillside, perfect manage,

1397
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 1: almost like I'm in a tree stand, um, And he's

1398
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 1: gonna walk down below me. Except for what happens is

1399
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't follow the valley down. He starts walking towards me. Um.

1400
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there with my bow, and I forgot

1401
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:44,600
Speaker 1: how bad their eyes are because I shifted a little bit,

1402
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 1: and I you know, I clipped my release to the

1403
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 1: bow and I kind of turned and was waiting for

1404
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 1: him to walk down broadside and he just kept coming,

1405
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 1: and he kept coming, and he was facing me. Why

1406
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 1: didn't this happen to Jonathan is burning the boot leather

1407
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 1: off his boot with the muzzle loader would have been perfect.

1408
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 1: But meanwhile his bear is just facing me head on.

1409
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:03,720
Speaker 1: He's not a very big bear. So it's not like

1410
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 1: his chest is like right in front. You know, I

1411
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 1: don't have a shot with my bow, and maybe somebody

1412
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 1: else would have shot him right in the chest, but

1413
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 1: he just kept coming and kept coming, and so I

1414
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 1: was sitting there frozen, waiting for him to maybe turn

1415
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 1: I could get my broadside shot. And finally he's about

1416
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 1: three yards for me, like we're Jonathan sitting and he

1417
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 1: finally looks up and he just stares at me for

1418
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 1: about thirty seconds, and I stare at him and the

1419
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 1: only I mean the only shot I have is his

1420
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 1: head um and I don't know have my bow drawn

1421
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 1: because I was waiting for him to turn, and we

1422
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 1: just stare at each other for about thirty seconds, and

1423
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 1: he turns around and he runs away the exact way

1424
01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 1: it came. So I went from head to ask and

1425
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 1: he just took off um. And had I done my

1426
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:46,679
Speaker 1: homework and brought my muzzle loader with me, I probably

1427
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:49,599
Speaker 1: could have shot the bear the opening day muzzloader season. Man,

1428
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 1: what an experience. But that one's my fault. That's not

1429
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 1: leaving a that's that's not an active nature messing with

1430
01:21:56,479 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 1: the power. That was just me being Stu good. So anyway,

1431
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 1: that's my bear story. That was the only thing I

1432
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 1: had to add to take away. I wouldn't I wouldn't

1433
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:11,759
Speaker 1: hold your breath waiting for that to happen again in Arkansas.

1434
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 1: That's awesome. I mean I wish, I wish you'd have

1435
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,680
Speaker 1: killed it. Where where have you killed a bear up

1436
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 1: in Saskatchewan? Um? Yeah, that was also with muzzle or

1437
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 1: with CB Yeah. M that's a good bear story. That's

1438
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:30,160
Speaker 1: a good bear story. It would have been better if

1439
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 1: I killed him. But hey, first day hunting in Arkansas?

1440
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 1: Did you do you have any intel into why the

1441
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 1: bear was there? I mean, like, was there something going

1442
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 1: on the trail itself that I had seen in retrospect?

1443
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:45,640
Speaker 1: I realized and after having talked to my buddies who

1444
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 1: used to see a bear sign around there, it was.

1445
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 1: It was a bear trail. I mean it was covered

1446
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,559
Speaker 1: in leaves and it was wide. Um, it wasn't worn

1447
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:54,679
Speaker 1: down to the dirt like a deer trail. It wasn't narrow.

1448
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it was pretty wide and it was just

1449
01:22:57,680 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 1: that's the only thing I can figure. Um, and sort

1450
01:22:59,880 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 1: of trail down something he used pretty often. Cool, now,

1451
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 1: you know, I don't if somebody, if if you said,

1452
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 1: would someone have done a frontal shot on I mean

1453
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 1: that would be super risky even with I mean he

1454
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 1: was three yards away and if your bows heavy enough,

1455
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 1: and he he was a younger bear, So I do

1456
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:21,599
Speaker 1: think that it would have. It might have been really

1457
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 1: hard trail to follow, but I mean, shoot, bears are

1458
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:28,240
Speaker 1: hard to trail anyway. Um, so some people I know

1459
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,560
Speaker 1: probably would have taken that shot, but I just I

1460
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 1: didn't and I wasn't ready. So that's cool, very cool. Well, um,

1461
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 1: Jonathan closing thoughts that we do, just that we I

1462
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:46,720
Speaker 1: feel like we took a pretty good swat at understanding

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01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:50,599
Speaker 1: a little bit about waterfowl and kind of what's happening.

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01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:54,680
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it's an an ending topic of conversation,

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01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 1: but but at least for what we're doing. I mean, like, uh,

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01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna be out. We didn't really talk about exactly

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01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 1: what we're doing. We're gonna be We're gonna be sitting

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01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:06,839
Speaker 1: in layout blinds in the middle of a big spread

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01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 1: of decoys in agricultural fields and you guys have been

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01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:15,560
Speaker 1: seeing like thousands of geese, am I right? Yeah, So

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01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 1: we're not gonna we're not actually, we're not gonna be

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01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 1: in layout blinds. We're just gonna be on backboards. I mean,

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01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:25,640
Speaker 1: it's just uh, I mean, we're gonna be laying out there, uh,

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01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 1: in the middle of the decoys. We're gonna be wearing

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01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 1: white trying blending with the snow goose decoys. And yeah, hopefully, uh,

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01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:37,639
Speaker 1: if they do what they they have done the last

1477
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:41,679
Speaker 1: few few hunts, than uh, well, some good opportunities for shots.

1478
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 1: And man, it's a it's a cool way to do

1479
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:46,719
Speaker 1: it too, because you're just out there in the middle

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01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 1: of it, you know. Uh, even even like hunting timber

1481
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 1: and stuff. Here you're you're behind a tree, You've got

1482
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 1: tree tops and whatnot over you like doing it this way,

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01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 1: You're just out there in the middle of it all.

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01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 1: And U it's a cool way to experience it, you know. Yeah, Man,

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01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 1: I'm I'm really looking forward to it, you know. In

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01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 1: all the waterfowl and again I'm I'm I'm not a

1487
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 1: I'm not I've not done a lot of waterfowl hunting,

1488
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 1: but just like looking at waterfowl from the outside in

1489
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 1: goose hunting seems like to me, it was it's more

1490
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:21,800
Speaker 1: appealing than even like duck hunting and timber and I

1491
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 1: realized that would like make people angry me saying that probably,

1492
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 1: but like big big goose, Remember I gotta feed all

1493
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:33,639
Speaker 1: these kids cheese. Are so big, they're beautiful. They come

1494
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 1: in these huge, massive flocks the way you described them

1495
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 1: coming in like terrible terrod actyls. They got me going.

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01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:44,640
Speaker 1: So anyway, I'm looking forward to it, Jonathan, It'll be

1497
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:46,680
Speaker 1: it'll be fun. I mean, they come in singles and

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01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 1: triples and stuff too. I mean, I'm I'm describing best

1499
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:52,920
Speaker 1: case scenario to you, but I mean really with all

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01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:58,679
Speaker 1: of it, it's uh, it's the it's the convincing them,

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01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 1: you know, it's the it's the interaction. It's like, you know,

1502
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 1: like what a lot of people like about turkey hunting

1503
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:07,680
Speaker 1: is like you're directly interacting with the animal. It's it's

1504
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 1: not just an ambush scenario. I mean, there's ambush and ducks,

1505
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:13,680
Speaker 1: there's pond jumping and stuff, but that's not That's not

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01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 1: what this is. This is them thinking that they are

1507
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:22,599
Speaker 1: landing with a bunch of their buddies, you know, will

1508
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 1: will some of them actually hit the ground, land land

1509
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:29,760
Speaker 1: in the deeks. Yeah, I mean it depends, Uh, at

1510
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 1: what point do they realize that they're surrounded by like

1511
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:38,679
Speaker 1: white tak weather vanes. Man, it's so, I mean, would

1512
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 1: they just land in it and just like start eating

1513
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 1: and there? I mean they will, They'll land, They'll land,

1514
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:47,759
Speaker 1: They'll look A lot of this is depending on the weather.

1515
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 1: It's dependent on the wind. Like you know, if we're

1516
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 1: hunting these silo socks, like, uh, seven miles per hour

1517
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:59,720
Speaker 1: wind totally transforms it. You know, like if it's to

1518
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:03,680
Speaker 1: my I was an hour, it's it's hard. Okay, So

1519
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 1: you a seven mile per hour wind on these silo socks,

1520
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,719
Speaker 1: which are these white like weather vanes on a steak,

1521
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:14,720
Speaker 1: makes it look like flock seven and ten miles per hour.

1522
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 1: That that's what you want. Yeah, I mean that's that

1523
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:20,479
Speaker 1: wind isn't freezing me out real bad or anything, but

1524
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 1: it's making those things bob and move and even like

1525
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 1: a full body decoy is gonna move around a little

1526
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 1: bit of that wind, Like you always want some wind

1527
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 1: for waterfowl decoys just on water or anything else. But yeah,

1528
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 1: I mean, shadows matter, overcast days versus sunshiny days matter,

1529
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 1: cloud cover matters. Uh, they can it's it's much easier

1530
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 1: for them to pick you out on an overcast day

1531
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 1: than it is on a bright, sunshiny day, you know. So,

1532
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 1: I mean there's all these difference and even like you'll

1533
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 1: see a difference in fifteen minutes, Like we're waiting for

1534
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:56,839
Speaker 1: the sun to hit us. We've got too many shadows

1535
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:58,560
Speaker 1: on us. When that sun gets right over there and

1536
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 1: hits us and lights us up, they'll want to come

1537
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:07,719
Speaker 1: in better. Sophemeral, man, it's like the the undulating nature

1538
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:13,720
Speaker 1: of of birds. But it can be like like I

1539
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 1: said before, man, it's it's stupendous just to be a

1540
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 1: part of it, you know, and just to observe it,

1541
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:22,080
Speaker 1: and just to be able to interact with with an

1542
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 1: animal on in that way. So I mean, even if

1543
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:27,680
Speaker 1: you don't, if you don't fire shot there, they're still

1544
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:31,799
Speaker 1: good days. They're still good hunts, you know. So, Jonathan,

1545
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:35,640
Speaker 1: how could people like? Uh? So, like next year, like

1546
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 1: you'll be booking hunts here, Like how could people find you? Yeah?

1547
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 1: So it's like same as regular man, as Black Deck

1548
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:48,400
Speaker 1: Revival dot com or Black Deck Revival on Instagram. There's

1549
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 1: a there's a snow goose hunt for the the first

1550
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:54,680
Speaker 1: few days of February. That's like a conservation Do you

1551
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:57,799
Speaker 1: have any hunts that are still available for this season?

1552
01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:00,640
Speaker 1: That that's the last one. Tell when it is. So

1553
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 1: it's a it's like the first three days or the

1554
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:06,439
Speaker 1: the last day in January is arrival and then you

1555
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 1: hunt the first two days of February. That's a so

1556
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 1: called Jonathan and come hunt with him. Yeah, you can

1557
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,960
Speaker 1: come hunt snow geese. That's a conservation hunt. You don't

1558
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:16,599
Speaker 1: have enough money, but now it's a it's a cool

1559
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:20,080
Speaker 1: way to see a ton ton ton ton of birds, uh,

1560
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 1: and just experienced something cool. So there there's a few

1561
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:25,679
Speaker 1: spots on that left and yeah, we'll be we'll probably

1562
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:28,599
Speaker 1: still do some goose hunts next year and probably try

1563
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:30,519
Speaker 1: and do some different stuff, you know, like Black Diock

1564
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 1: Revival is he's a it's it's a femb role as well,

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01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 1: you know, like I see it being here, I see

1566
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 1: it being you know, not always being contained to hear,

1567
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:45,000
Speaker 1: but you know, following birds and going different places and

1568
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 1: trying different species and uh, just giving people an opportunity

1569
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 1: to to try something or kind of be welcomed into

1570
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 1: something that they might be interested in and really try

1571
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 1: something neat man, this is such a perfect time. The

1572
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:03,560
Speaker 1: one thing I do like about this hunt and and

1573
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:05,719
Speaker 1: the especially the hunts after the first of the years

1574
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 1: that most of the big game hunting is done. And

1575
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 1: I think that's why waterfowl hunting probably if water howl,

1576
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:16,639
Speaker 1: if waterfowl hunting had to compete with September, October, November

1577
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 1: big game hunting, it probably wouldn't be as big as

1578
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 1: it is, or maybe big game hunting wouldn't be as

1579
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 1: big as it is. But I like it that they

1580
01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:26,680
Speaker 1: kind of they kind of they overlap something, but they

1581
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 1: kind of you know, you can do all the deer

1582
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 1: hunting you want and then go waterfowl hunting. And these

1583
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:38,160
Speaker 1: these hunts aren't expensive, I mean as compared to most things.

1584
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 1: So I mean people could afford to most people could

1585
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 1: afford to come down here and hunt with you. And

1586
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 1: uh yeah, so it's yeah, I mean there's day there's

1587
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:49,800
Speaker 1: day hunts, just one day hunts you know that are

1588
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:53,680
Speaker 1: that are you know a few hundred dollars Yeah, so

1589
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 1: it's I mean I'm not saying that. I mean a

1590
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 1: few hundred dollars is a few hunter bucks, but yeah,

1591
01:30:57,880 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 1: it's not it's not gonna cost you what a moose

1592
01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 1: and Saskatchewan or something's gonna coast you. Yeah, exactly. It's

1593
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:06,240
Speaker 1: a it's a cool, fun thing to do, like James

1594
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:08,280
Speaker 1: Brandonberr came down with his son, you know, and it's

1595
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:10,640
Speaker 1: kind of like a perfect thing for that. Yeah. And

1596
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:13,200
Speaker 1: it's we're not roughing it man, I mean you're cooking

1597
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 1: for us. It's cool. It's cool man. Nowally, how can

1598
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:19,680
Speaker 1: people find you? Uh, you can go to outdoor life

1599
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:23,000
Speaker 1: dot com or find us on Instagram. It's Outdoor Life

1600
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:26,479
Speaker 1: or Outdoor Underscore Life. Um, follow us there, find our

1601
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:32,360
Speaker 1: stories magazines on the news stand. Okay. Cool, Well, thank

1602
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:35,519
Speaker 1: you guys. Good to talk with you. Natalie Jonathan. As always,

1603
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 1: it's a pleasure, truth end. Yeah, thanks for having us

1604
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:40,560
Speaker 1: keep the wild place as wild because that's where the

1605
01:31:40,680 --> 01:32:00,439
Speaker 1: speckled Billy Geese lived. Nine