Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Calls with Dean Blandino, a production of
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. Hey what's up? Dean Blandina. Welcome to
Speaker 1: another episode of Good Calls as always, joined by Travis
Speaker 1: Hansen and Joe Madrid. Quick quick introductions. No pleasant trees,
Speaker 1: Let's get right to it. No pleasant trees, alright? You
Speaker 1: know does that? That's who's the producer that always does that,
Speaker 1: the Big ten when we uh, we check in Fox,
Speaker 1: foxes whatever. We check in with um with the talent,
Speaker 1: which is Matt Milan, and who's Kevin Kevin Coogler. We
Speaker 1: check in with Matt and Kevin. And I know Matt
Speaker 1: Milan going back years from when he was with the
Speaker 1: NFL with the Lions in the NFL Competition Committee. We
Speaker 1: always like to check in. And Bart's like, okay, all
Speaker 1: right enough with the pleasant trees. So looks and I
Speaker 1: never know if he's serious or not. Either he's I mean,
Speaker 1: he's not doing in the meat way, but I think
Speaker 1: he's kind of I think it's become like a thing
Speaker 1: now and uh, but let's go, let's get right into it. Um,
Speaker 1: let's talk a little, let's talk a little NFL obviously,
Speaker 1: this was this was big news, UM, the the proposed
Speaker 1: changes and UH additions, I guess to the Rooty rule.
Speaker 1: We talk about minority hiring in the NFL, and and
Speaker 1: so UM you know this this is a significant the
Speaker 1: potential for this, the NFL proposals that will be put
Speaker 1: forth to membership and voted on UM A lot of
Speaker 1: discussion around minority hiring. You think about the minority head
Speaker 1: coaches in the NFL, there are only four, UM who
Speaker 1: were the four right, Mike Tomlin, Brian Flores, Anthony Lynn,
Speaker 1: and Ron Ribert. You think about gms in the NFL,
Speaker 1: only two minority gms Andrew Berry with with Cleveland and
Speaker 1: Chris Greer with with Miami. So obviously when you talk
Speaker 1: about those numbers not not very good. The NFL has
Speaker 1: not done a great job in this year and never
Speaker 1: had a never had a black team president. UM. And
Speaker 1: and I think this is something that you know, my
Speaker 1: former colleague Troy Vincent at the NFL has this is
Speaker 1: a big, big thing for him, and I know he's
Speaker 1: been working tirelessly on this. And and so I'm interested
Speaker 1: in what you guys think because I've read so much
Speaker 1: about this and I get it. I get what the
Speaker 1: NFL is trying to do. But when you start, when
Speaker 1: you start incentivizing teams UM to make minority hirings with
Speaker 1: draft positions, all right, you're talking about moving up if
Speaker 1: you hire a minority head coach or my minority GM,
Speaker 1: you're moving up draft positions. In the third round, it
Speaker 1: was something like three picks for a head coach and
Speaker 1: ten picks for a GM six I think for a
Speaker 1: head coach, ten GM UM compensatory fourth round picks if
Speaker 1: you lose UM, if you lose a minority in terms
Speaker 1: of to another team. So so I've heard mixed reactions
Speaker 1: and the one reaction that that kind of that kind
Speaker 1: of resonated with me. There were two that jumped out.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw if you saw Anthony
Speaker 1: Lynn's comments, Um, you know Anthony Lynda had coach of
Speaker 1: the Chargers, who's who is like we mentioned one of
Speaker 1: the minority head coaches. You know, he said, sometimes, um,
Speaker 1: you can do the wrong, wrong thing when you're trying
Speaker 1: to do the right thing. And I think that was
Speaker 1: that that kind of hit me. And then and then
Speaker 1: Lewis Riddick. Lewis Riddick from from ESPN, who who has
Speaker 1: worked in front office before who has interviewed recently for
Speaker 1: GM GM positions and hasn't been able to secure a position.
Speaker 1: And he was even more outspoken and he said it
Speaker 1: was it was actually, um, you know, it was demeaning
Speaker 1: in a way. It was insulting in a way to
Speaker 1: an African American candidate to say that I was no
Speaker 1: longer being considered on my own merits. I was being
Speaker 1: considered because of the potential rewards and and it's kind
Speaker 1: of you know, this is a tough spot. It's a
Speaker 1: tough thing. What what do you guys, just at first glance,
Speaker 1: what do you think? Um, you know about this? I
Speaker 1: have to think that that these guys being like, you know,
Speaker 1: head coaches and athletes and you know, former athletes and
Speaker 1: now going into coaching, like you don't want to feel
Speaker 1: like you're getting something and getting something extra because of
Speaker 1: who you are, Like, oh, okay, well you get to
Speaker 1: shoot your free throws a little bit closer than than
Speaker 1: you than these other guys. You got to shoot your
Speaker 1: your shots a little bit closer. Like you don't want that,
Speaker 1: you want working on How long are you working on that? Analogy? Travis,
Speaker 1: I actually just came up with it Now, I didn't
Speaker 1: know you were going to bring thing about the free
Speaker 1: throw analogy. You're like, what could be what could be
Speaker 1: a good way, you know, to to to elaborate on this.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to dumb it down so Joe will
Speaker 1: understand that's all. Well it we definitely do we do?
Speaker 1: You know? So like you don't these guys, Yeah, did
Speaker 1: you hear Joe? I can't even hear him. This might
Speaker 1: cut down you to them in the middle of your
Speaker 1: bad analogy, but yeah, so you just have to think
Speaker 1: that these guys don't want to have to feel like
Speaker 1: they're getting, you know, something out of the deal because
Speaker 1: of that. And to me it's it's like, yeah, like
Speaker 1: Lynn said, you you you definitely want to have you
Speaker 1: don't want to have that kind of you don't want
Speaker 1: you don't want to have that kind of thing on that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think. Look, but I think if this and and
Speaker 1: you know the Fritz Pollar, the Fritz Pollo alliance, which
Speaker 1: which works you know Cyrus Mary and and and Rob
Speaker 1: Graves now at that alliance that they work in this
Speaker 1: space and working with the NFL for a long time
Speaker 1: in terms of minority hiring and the bottom line is
Speaker 1: is that when you talk about a league that is
Speaker 1: that I don't know what the actual percentages, but when
Speaker 1: you talk about a league that is that is a
Speaker 1: majority African American on the field, and then you look
Speaker 1: at the numbers in front office positions, Um, that's an issue.
Speaker 1: And and you can't force people meeting the owners to hire,
Speaker 1: you know, someone that they don't want to hire. But
Speaker 1: how do we create an environment where where where African
Speaker 1: Americans and other minorities are getting these opportunities And I
Speaker 1: think anything Lynn mentioned, you know, and Lewis Riddick mentioned,
Speaker 1: you know, getting having more opportunities for these minority candidates
Speaker 1: to get in front of owners in a social setting,
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's at a league meeting or a
Speaker 1: leak sanctioned event where they can in a more of
Speaker 1: a relaxed atmosphere get to know these people. Because the
Speaker 1: bottom line is you're gonna hire someone you're comfortable with,
Speaker 1: and can you get truly comfortable with someone meeting them
Speaker 1: for the first time and having a two or three
Speaker 1: hour interview, you know, it's versus someone that I know,
Speaker 1: someone that I've been around, someone that I've had an
Speaker 1: interaction with and that's why we end up seeing this cycle,
Speaker 1: this recycling of coaches, you know, this carousel, and you
Speaker 1: look at head coaches that have been around that that
Speaker 1: you know, they weren't successful at one organization and then
Speaker 1: they get a reboot in another, and it seems that
Speaker 1: most of it, most of them are white head coaches
Speaker 1: or white gms. And and how do you how do
Speaker 1: you create you know, a more inclusive pipeline. And that's
Speaker 1: something you know, it's a challenge, and it's something that
Speaker 1: I think this proposal, if this further is the conversation,
Speaker 1: and this creates more thoughtful and more thoughtful approach to this.
Speaker 1: And maybe it's not this rule, but maybe this this
Speaker 1: conversation leads to something that people can agree upon or
Speaker 1: people that doesn't involve draft picks. I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know what the answer is. Um, if we knew
Speaker 1: the answer, then that we wouldn't have this issue. You know,
Speaker 1: we've dealt with it. We've dealt with on the officiating
Speaker 1: side and hiring practices and and minority officials, female officials.
Speaker 1: That's why we're gonna bring that question up. Do you
Speaker 1: think this has anything to do with opening up the
Speaker 1: minority candidates for females as well, not just no question.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you listen if you think the NFL
Speaker 1: has been behind in terms of minority, in terms of
Speaker 1: African American hirings in front office, they are way behind
Speaker 1: when it comes to female When I'm sitting in a
Speaker 1: in an in an executive vice president meeting UM at
Speaker 1: the NFL, and I look around and there are one,
Speaker 1: maybe two women in the room and there's thirty people
Speaker 1: in the room. Um, there are when you limit yourself,
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. Yes, we want to hire the
Speaker 1: best people. We want people to be hired on their
Speaker 1: own merits, not how they look. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: when you hire from one group and everybody looks the
Speaker 1: same and everybody thinks the same, and everybody has the
Speaker 1: same experience, you are limiting yourself. You're limiting your You're
Speaker 1: limiting the ideas and the potential by bringing people from
Speaker 1: different backgrounds that look different, that that that have a
Speaker 1: different perspective. And that's the thing. The NFL has such
Speaker 1: a long way to go in this area. And I
Speaker 1: think you know they're they're certainly behind. You look at
Speaker 1: the NBA. I think they're behind. Um. The NBA baseball
Speaker 1: has its challenges. Um, you know, certainly the NHL. I
Speaker 1: mean that is a is a predominantly white sport and
Speaker 1: uh and so. But again it is a this is
Speaker 1: a significant issue. And I know the league. This is
Speaker 1: not a this is not something they just threw together
Speaker 1: at the last minute. This was this was thought out.
Speaker 1: But I think when you start talking about award in
Speaker 1: draft picks now, it starts to get into that. You know,
Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm a minority candidate, I think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take the same approach as a Lewis Riddick and say, hey,
Speaker 1: are you are you talking to me? Or are you
Speaker 1: gonna hire me? Um, you know, with that being a
Speaker 1: factor versus am I the best person for the job?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not a minority. I've never walked
Speaker 1: in those shoes. But but I can understand that point.
Speaker 1: And it's it's just such a it's such a polarizing
Speaker 1: you know, reminds it reminds me of back in like
Speaker 1: what was it when they're like, you know, we guys
Speaker 1: start hiring some Italian Americans and that's how that's how
Speaker 1: you got the job. Glad you brought that up. Joe,
Speaker 1: because I feel like my people, you know, it's a
Speaker 1: very it's it's it's not an been discrimination, but it's
Speaker 1: a very like accepted. It's like it's like an in
Speaker 1: the closet discrimination. Italian Americans have been have been discriminated against.
Speaker 1: What we watch movies? What are we portrayed as? Right? Mobsters?
Speaker 1: I just watched Molly's game, Right, what are we? What
Speaker 1: are we? What are we most known for? Our Italian
Speaker 1: food and pizza and all these things? You know, I'm
Speaker 1: glad you brought that up, Joe. The fight continues for
Speaker 1: for me and my Italian American friends. Anything else you
Speaker 1: want to add to that, Joe, you brought that one up.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know, we're not a mobsters, And
Speaker 1: I mean it worked out well for for the hiring
Speaker 1: of the Italian Americans. I mean, you're you've done a
Speaker 1: pretty good job over there. I did. In ninety four,
Speaker 1: I did get the opportunity to intern with the National
Speaker 1: Football League. The only reason I got that opportunity is
Speaker 1: because the girl that worked in HR went to Hopster
Speaker 1: of University. I went to Hofstra. She didn't know me,
Speaker 1: but she saw Hofstro on my resume. And she put
Speaker 1: my resume on top. So right there. I still don't
Speaker 1: understand how you can say, but you can't say huge,
Speaker 1: huge hosts. You just you should be saying hofstro there's
Speaker 1: it's not it's h oh. I can say h o
Speaker 1: h u is huge. It just is you grant. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: it's just the way it is. Let's move on, Travis talking.
Speaker 1: Let's give us a run down the I. I briefly
Speaker 1: looked at the Major League Baseball sixty seven page UM
Speaker 1: health and Safety I guess proposal. That's really interesting and
Speaker 1: it was pretty in depth, like health and Safety protocol,
Speaker 1: it's kind of what it was, and it was. It
Speaker 1: was everything from like just no spinning, UM, more severe
Speaker 1: penalties for for fights. They don't want to have brawls. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you get a bunch of people in in a group
Speaker 1: that you have a higher chance of of of spreading
Speaker 1: the virus if someone were to have it. UM. You
Speaker 1: have people that in the dugouts have to wear masks uh,
Speaker 1: team officials. UM. But anyways to get to the point
Speaker 1: where they could start playing or see people back on
Speaker 1: the fields, we're talking like mid June possibly in the yeah,
Speaker 1: in the in the proposal, and this would be bringing
Speaker 1: like fifty players to either their home ballparks or Florida
Speaker 1: Arizona facilities. This is all still yet to be worked out. Um,
Speaker 1: they're like some of the things I saw like people
Speaker 1: could be uh forced to not take showers. So here's yeah,
Speaker 1: here's the deal. And and this is gonna be talking
Speaker 1: about major league baseball players. And most most mazorally baseball
Speaker 1: players played the miners and and so they know what
Speaker 1: it's like. And this it feels like a return more
Speaker 1: to minor league baseball, where there's there's no showering at
Speaker 1: the at the stadium. You're either sharing at home or
Speaker 1: at the at the hotel, so you go right from
Speaker 1: the game to the hotel or back home. Um, no
Speaker 1: post game buffets, Um, you talk about players are gonna
Speaker 1: be would be in the stands six ft apart. Um,
Speaker 1: no sunflower seeds, no, none of that. High five No,
Speaker 1: no high fives. No. You talked about the bench clearing brawls,
Speaker 1: and certainly there would be. You know, it's hard to say, hey,
Speaker 1: no bench clearing brawls because somebody gets emotional, somebody reacts.
Speaker 1: They obviously are going to have very very very severe
Speaker 1: penalties for bench clearing brawls, almost to the point where
Speaker 1: they're almost going to, you know, eliminate them with with
Speaker 1: the fear of these penalties. Well, and think about who
Speaker 1: this protecting. What was the being what was the major
Speaker 1: storyline of the off season, the Astros cheating and all
Speaker 1: you you heard about all these guys were gonna get beaned,
Speaker 1: like Bregman and Altobe, Like, if those guys are getting bet,
Speaker 1: there's no retaliation talking about the Astros not that. Look,
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to diminish this
Speaker 1: to too, but let's just talk about if anyone benefited
Speaker 1: from COVID nineteen. That's what I'm saying, man, I mean,
Speaker 1: they have benefited from people, will you know, it will
Speaker 1: take a while for people to be like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: those they cheated one of won a World Series. But
Speaker 1: this was the story going into the season. They were
Speaker 1: gonna be they were vilified, they were gonna be villains
Speaker 1: on the road, they were gonna be booed, they were
Speaker 1: gonna be beaned. And now I mean they basically gotta
Speaker 1: pass and it's not gonna be fansom the stands there.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, but but it is the whole thing is
Speaker 1: just fascinating in terms of like, you can't you're trying
Speaker 1: to legislate contact, right, physical contact, you're trying to to
Speaker 1: keep that at a minimum. And when you talk about
Speaker 1: all of these sports, I mean, obviously baseball you wouldn't
Speaker 1: consider it a contact sport, but you're gonna have plays
Speaker 1: where you're gonna have a runner on first base, the
Speaker 1: first base is not able to hold him on our collisions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't even think about that, right, like you have
Speaker 1: to hold that runner on. Is there gonna be no leads? Right?
Speaker 1: Plays at second base or under still this place, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be contact. You can't take that away. And forget
Speaker 1: about football. You can't. Obviously football is a contact sport.
Speaker 1: Hockey is a contact sport. Basketball, there's there's contact throughout.
Speaker 1: So you're not gonna be able to play these sports
Speaker 1: without contact. And that's why some of the players that
Speaker 1: I'm reading, they said, look, we get it, the testing,
Speaker 1: we get we'll go through all the testing protocols, but
Speaker 1: once we're cleared, let's make it as normal as possible. Right,
Speaker 1: Because because I don't have it, you don't have it,
Speaker 1: why can't we just you know why can't we have
Speaker 1: sunflower receipts and it's it goes to the video you
Speaker 1: sent us Travis today, I was crying, go on Twitter,
Speaker 1: it's Nasau County. This Nasau County official, NASA County tennis ball.
Speaker 1: Just looking up Nassau County tennis ball protocol. And I
Speaker 1: grew up in Nassau County, which is which is on
Speaker 1: Long Island. There's two counties, There's Nasa and Suffolk. Suffolk
Speaker 1: is further east. Nassau is right next to New York City.
Speaker 1: And she's standing in front of a of a tennis facility,
Speaker 1: you know, outdoor tennis courts, with two cops in face masks,
Speaker 1: and she's explaining the rules regarding tennis batting back on
Speaker 1: the court, getting back on the court. And she starts
Speaker 1: off good because she was referring to them as tennis balls.
Speaker 1: And then you know, somebody was talking to her saying,
Speaker 1: all right, Lisa, refer to them as tennis balls, right,
Speaker 1: don't say, and she immediately goes into balls and she's like,
Speaker 1: you can kick someone else's balls, but you can't touch them.
Speaker 1: And it's like and she can't even keep a straight face. Well,
Speaker 1: you hear all the media and all the people that
Speaker 1: are attending the event like laughing and giggling in the
Speaker 1: two offensives behind her. You can't see their faces, but
Speaker 1: you can see they're like bodies, like convulsion, as if
Speaker 1: they're laughing. What are we doing? We're sitting in a
Speaker 1: room coming up with these rules, spending time. When Joe
Speaker 1: and I are gonna go play tennis and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: pick up I'm gonna touch his balls and he's gonna
Speaker 1: touch my balls. And that's it. And we're talking about
Speaker 1: tennis balls and were we've always been talking about phone.
Speaker 1: When Joe and I play tennis, we touch each other's balls. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's and and and this is I was gonna together.
Speaker 1: Who's gonna police that? Every Friday night? It's in seeing
Speaker 1: and I understand extraordinary times, but I don't know what
Speaker 1: to to go back to the MLB in in the balls,
Speaker 1: like they're gonna use balls like one time, like if
Speaker 1: if a ball is if a groundball is in play,
Speaker 1: you know multiple people are going to touch the ball
Speaker 1: and that ball is going to be out, Like so
Speaker 1: what is it like half a half of what's the
Speaker 1: lifetime of a ball? Like half of I mean, there's
Speaker 1: a there's a pretty good I mean, there's pretty good
Speaker 1: turnover anyway, um during games. But I gotta imagine this
Speaker 1: is gonna be like you can't think about a football game.
Speaker 1: You can't. You're bringing new footballs in at certain times,
Speaker 1: but you have hurry up offenses, you have things where
Speaker 1: you can't just shuffle out of football. If if you know,
Speaker 1: after every play a basketball people are people are gonna
Speaker 1: touch balls. It's just gonna happen. When what are you
Speaker 1: gonna do with all those baseballs now? If you're just
Speaker 1: throwing them off the side before they became practice balls
Speaker 1: and now you're not gonna use them for practice balls either, Right?
Speaker 1: I think you have to use the balls as much
Speaker 1: as possible, Travis, And indeed you have to have to
Speaker 1: use Can we on a serious note, like what kind
Speaker 1: of an umpire is going to enforce a no spitting
Speaker 1: ruin baseball? Well, that that's the thing, Like what what
Speaker 1: are they gonna do? Like what's the penalty? That's so ridiculous?
Speaker 1: This is just so overdone exactly, And then that's what
Speaker 1: I mean, and no one knows, like no one knows
Speaker 1: for sure, like we still can we let them play,
Speaker 1: and we don't know. I'm believing. I don't follow it
Speaker 1: as much. I'm not an expert by any means, but
Speaker 1: there's no one, no one knows exactly the right protocol,
Speaker 1: and so I get it. So we're trying to be
Speaker 1: as cautious as possible, but it's I don't know. At
Speaker 1: some point, at some point we have to say, okay,
Speaker 1: let's let's compromise. The people with with the you know,
Speaker 1: the weak immune systems, the people that are in that
Speaker 1: that that range, that are that are at most risk.
Speaker 1: Those people need to stay in Those people need to
Speaker 1: stay protected, and everybody else has to make their own decisions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these are world class athletes. The flu is not trying
Speaker 1: to kill him. Michael Jordan played with the flu. Dean No,
Speaker 1: we'll get into that. Started into that Travis talk. Okay,
Speaker 1: what else? What else is going on? I know NASCAR
Speaker 1: got big ratings. I didn't watch. I'm not a Nascar
Speaker 1: I've never been, but where the ratings significantly up from
Speaker 1: what they normally are. I didn't follow that. I just
Speaker 1: I know they were big and more happy within Fox
Speaker 1: about it, but you didn't watch it. I didn't catch
Speaker 1: it either. I thought that was part of your you
Speaker 1: guys did know? I mean, yeah, I probably probably should
Speaker 1: have watched it, just you know, to be a company guy.
Speaker 1: I was. I was hanging out with the family. We
Speaker 1: went to the beach actually, which leads me into the
Speaker 1: next story of Newsome. Governor Newsoman California starting to open
Speaker 1: things up. Um and he says that that sports could
Speaker 1: be played in the state of California as early as
Speaker 1: um early June, so in the next few weeks, obviously
Speaker 1: without spectators. But yeah, we were out at the beach
Speaker 1: on Sunday and and it was it was crazy to
Speaker 1: see half the people had masks, half didn't have masks.
Speaker 1: Who Travis, if you're I mean, I commend you to
Speaker 1: go on to the beach with you, your wife and
Speaker 1: your eight kids. How what was the breakdown? Did all
Speaker 1: eight of your kids nobody was wearing masks? So the
Speaker 1: older ones bear wearing masks. I have two kids in
Speaker 1: neither wore masks. We didn't wear masks. Um. We kept
Speaker 1: our distance from people. I didn't spit at all, Um,
Speaker 1: it didn't. I didn't play with any balls, no, no
Speaker 1: beach balls, no volleyballs. Which with the crazy thing about
Speaker 1: the volleyball. Is they took the nets down at the beach.
Speaker 1: I was that some people can't even play. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they've done that at all the beaches, obviously
Speaker 1: because I haven't been at the beaches, but that, to
Speaker 1: me was was pretty eye opening. That's my favorite way
Speaker 1: to play because the boom. But you know, it is
Speaker 1: it is interesting. I think California when you think about
Speaker 1: professional sports returning, California is a key state. Um, there's
Speaker 1: no I mean I was looking at it. California has right,
Speaker 1: five baseball teams, four NBA teams, three hockey teams, and
Speaker 1: three football teams. No other state has that number. So
Speaker 1: so it is key to returning for all of these leagues.
Speaker 1: And you know it's it's this is you think about
Speaker 1: here in l A County. I think Light County is
Speaker 1: going to be one of the last counties to start
Speaker 1: to you know, to get back to normal because of
Speaker 1: the density of the population and a number of you
Speaker 1: know what what they're considering a standard for reopening. But
Speaker 1: there are Look, I think we're I think there's some
Speaker 1: light at the end of the tunnel. I think that's
Speaker 1: we've all been waiting for. I gotta I got a
Speaker 1: text message from my the guy that cuts my hair,
Speaker 1: that they're going to be opening up, Um, you know
Speaker 1: in a in a couple of weeks. You're you're looking
Speaker 1: at you know, you could have churches, and you could
Speaker 1: have gyms, and you could have all these other things
Speaker 1: opening up obviously with revised with revised rules and guidelines.
Speaker 1: But I think we're starting to see a little bit
Speaker 1: of a light at the end of the tunnel. So
Speaker 1: hopefully that means that, you know, the trend is going
Speaker 1: in the right direction and uh, and we'll get back
Speaker 1: to some sense of normalcy soon. Yeah. So then next
Speaker 1: I'll move to the NHL and and the story that's
Speaker 1: out there. Obviously, there's a lot of work to be
Speaker 1: done here, and that's what the sources stress. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of work to be done, but
Speaker 1: they could they could open back up with the twenty
Speaker 1: four team playoff format, which to me was kind of cool, like,
Speaker 1: this is kind of what we talked about right away
Speaker 1: when it first first happened with the pandemic. Is okay, well,
Speaker 1: let's just craft the regular season. Let's just let's just
Speaker 1: get going back up in June or something and just
Speaker 1: do playoffs, So that's kind of what the NHL is
Speaker 1: looking at, Like, how would you feel about that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's interesting. I did read that
Speaker 1: they were talking about. I think the players Association would
Speaker 1: like to play some regular season games before the playoffs,
Speaker 1: And I think that makes sense just because think about
Speaker 1: playoff hockey, like that's that's another level and you now
Speaker 1: you're taking two two and a half months off and
Speaker 1: then throwing your body right into that type of intensity.
Speaker 1: I think for safety reasons, I think it would make
Speaker 1: sense to at least least play a couple of games.
Speaker 1: You know, each team play a couple of games, you know,
Speaker 1: finish off the standings. But you know, a twenty four
Speaker 1: team playoff that that that excites the ship out of
Speaker 1: me because I don't care. Look, NHL playoffs to me
Speaker 1: is one of the most exciting sports, you know, sporting
Speaker 1: environments ever. And and so you're gonna have twenty four
Speaker 1: teams um out of twelve from each conference. However they
Speaker 1: figure it out, that's exciting to be after two and
Speaker 1: a half months of no hockey. So so I'm I'm
Speaker 1: excited to hear about it. I do think, you know,
Speaker 1: I'd be tough for those players to jump right into
Speaker 1: a playoff environment with with after having two and a
Speaker 1: half months off. Yeah, you gotta have some kind of
Speaker 1: training camp to get these guys back in shape. So,
Speaker 1: thinking about these games being played without fans, and hockey
Speaker 1: and basketball being home home field advantage, you know, to
Speaker 1: the to the end degree, those are the sports that
Speaker 1: are probably means the most like, how is that? How
Speaker 1: would that even play out with no fans there? Like
Speaker 1: it just would it would be weird. I know, Kevin
Speaker 1: Harvick who won the NASCAR race, he said it was
Speaker 1: it was. It was really just kind of surreal, like
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're like you win the race
Speaker 1: and you're trying to celebrate and you're looking around, but
Speaker 1: you know, fans aren't yelling for you, your teammates can't
Speaker 1: come near you, like you know, it's it's it's we
Speaker 1: talked about with the UFC and not having that. And
Speaker 1: then you start to think about, like Joe, the betting lines,
Speaker 1: like are you going to see it's Vegas going to
Speaker 1: have to adjust betting lines, especially in certain sports like
Speaker 1: the NBA won that home court advantage is more prevalent,
Speaker 1: you know, I think you're gonna see the betting lines,
Speaker 1: you know, adjust it'll be very similar to the beginning
Speaker 1: of the of all the seasons. Then three or four
Speaker 1: they kind of they start to figure it out, but
Speaker 1: you don't know, you know, who's working out, who's sitting
Speaker 1: at home meeting pizza. I mean, dude, come in big
Speaker 1: time out of shape. So it's definitely gonna be interesting
Speaker 1: to see how that all plays out. NBA Travis, what's
Speaker 1: the latest on that. Yeah, so the NBA is talking, um,
Speaker 1: they could get going pretty soon. You know, obviously they
Speaker 1: need some time to get get things going with talk
Speaker 1: about getting uh everyone to about seventy games. That's like
Speaker 1: five or seven games for some teams. UM. Decision for
Speaker 1: from from Commissioner Silver will come in the next few weeks.
Speaker 1: And one of the reports was saying the teams are
Speaker 1: implored to to get back out there and being kind
Speaker 1: of a playoff, um playoff race to finish the season,
Speaker 1: and he was he's employed these teams um to play
Speaker 1: because Steve Kerr, who is the coach of the Warriors,
Speaker 1: who had a ton of injuries to start the year
Speaker 1: and are at the very bottom of the West. They
Speaker 1: don't even want to finish the games, Like what's the
Speaker 1: incentive for teams to come back to play five or
Speaker 1: seven games? So so that's like the NHL is kind
Speaker 1: of following that guideline, like, okay, those teams are out
Speaker 1: of it, why even bring them back? Put them at risk?
Speaker 1: The less people that are are you know, playing and
Speaker 1: at risk, and you know, less people are gonna get
Speaker 1: it's like to stay at home for for them is
Speaker 1: coming into play as well. No, it's but then you
Speaker 1: think about competitive impact in terms of you know, draft
Speaker 1: position and okay, our draft position was based on sixty games.
Speaker 1: Their draft position was based on fifty five games. You know,
Speaker 1: it's so so many variables. It's it's really crazy to think,
Speaker 1: you know, and they their heads must be spinning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these meetings must be crazy, like you have to think
Speaker 1: about everything and stuff that you've never even thought. Of course,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's crazy and you're and this is, like
Speaker 1: I said, we're not going to see anything like this.
Speaker 1: Hopefully we don't. We haven't seen anything in our lifetime
Speaker 1: and hopefully we won't ever again. Um let's uh, let's
Speaker 1: go to break. When we come back, we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: the most controversial calls in NFL history. I need a list.
Speaker 1: We'll go down the list next on good calls. All right,
Speaker 1: we're back on good calls. Yo. Your background was LLOLLO CPBL.
Speaker 1: Yeah did that for you? Is that? Is that your background? There? Well,
Speaker 1: the Taiwanese baseball the rat the ratsu Can Monkeys are
Speaker 1: still in first. That's travisis team. Um there, you know,
Speaker 1: still think they got like a six or seven game
Speaker 1: lead right now. Um So there's sixteen and six there dominating.
Speaker 1: Yeah there that they're they've been. There's the don prominent team.
Speaker 1: Like we said, they're the Patriots of the Chinese Professional
Speaker 1: Baseball League. Um. So we were talking about Monday morning quarterback. Um,
Speaker 1: I guess this was what two weeks ago? When did
Speaker 1: they have a couple of weeks ago they tweeted out
Speaker 1: like it's you know, they sent out a video. Is
Speaker 1: this the worst blown call of all time? Um? And
Speaker 1: and that just got us thinking like, hey, Dean, you're
Speaker 1: the rules guy. Let's let's put together the real list.
Speaker 1: So and so, as I was thinking about this, UM,
Speaker 1: the list I came up with is not necessarily a
Speaker 1: blown call list. It's it's a controversial or or impactful
Speaker 1: call list and like, look, blown calls. There are calls
Speaker 1: that I've seen in my career and officiating where it's
Speaker 1: like you you would think there was a third grader
Speaker 1: out there or or who making that call, but they
Speaker 1: weren't like impactful. You know, it was it was a
Speaker 1: week six game with ten minutes to go in the
Speaker 1: second quarter and you look at it and you go, what,
Speaker 1: what the heck were they looking at? Um? So, so
Speaker 1: there's blown calls like that, and then there's calls that
Speaker 1: everybody's is going to run that. There's controversial calls, whether
Speaker 1: you whether it's debatable um whether it was a missed call.
Speaker 1: But I think you know, was the fail Mary. Yes,
Speaker 1: So when you think about the fail Mary, the fail
Speaker 1: Mary was two thousand twelve. That was during that was
Speaker 1: during the lockout when the officials were locked out the
Speaker 1: first couple of weeks of this season. And uh and
Speaker 1: it was literally it was the last play of the lockout,
Speaker 1: of the lockout because that was Monday night. It was
Speaker 1: um it was Seattle and Green Bay. It was green
Speaker 1: Bay at Seattle. So you're on the West coast, So
Speaker 1: think about that. That play happens um after midnight Um,
Speaker 1: now what when we East coast time, right well after
Speaker 1: midnight East coast time, so you're into Tuesday morning, now
Speaker 1: we we were that time was was probably the most um,
Speaker 1: I don't even know, turbulent time in my career at
Speaker 1: the NFL. It was. You know, we had had a
Speaker 1: lockout in two thousand one. Um, we we only missed.
Speaker 1: You know, we had a couple of preseason games with
Speaker 1: replacement officials. Um. And and you know then nine eleven
Speaker 1: happened and the officials came back two weeks later. So
Speaker 1: and those officials were the better college officials worked during
Speaker 1: that lockout in the NFL. This lockout, the better college
Speaker 1: officials did not work. These officials were your lower tier
Speaker 1: college officials. Some some lower level college officials. Why was
Speaker 1: that was the other guys are already locked up with
Speaker 1: college football. No. Here, here's what happened the first go around.
Speaker 1: The college officials that worked during the lockout, we're basically
Speaker 1: looked at as um for lack of a better term, scabs.
Speaker 1: They were ostracized in the in the officiating community. The
Speaker 1: NFL officials felt betrayed that they were standing for what
Speaker 1: they believed in for a better deal and these officials,
Speaker 1: we were by working, we're hindering that process. So those
Speaker 1: officials received a lot of backlash and many of them
Speaker 1: felt that if you talk to them, they felt that, um,
Speaker 1: they were they were not given opportunities to get to
Speaker 1: the NFL because they worked during the lockout. So when
Speaker 1: when we went into that lockout, and I wasn't the
Speaker 1: head of officiating, but I know what went into finding
Speaker 1: the replacement officials, and they the NFL purposely did not
Speaker 1: go after or the top college officials. They didn't want
Speaker 1: to put them in that position, so they went for
Speaker 1: lower level officials. But this was this was the powers
Speaker 1: that we didn't understand. You can't just put anybody out there.
Speaker 1: And we knew we knew that, um, you know, myself,
Speaker 1: a couple of other people in within the department, we
Speaker 1: knew this was not gonna work. We knew you could
Speaker 1: get by maybe a week, maybe even two weeks, but eventually,
Speaker 1: if you throw people out there that are not used
Speaker 1: to the speed, the intensity and not just that football's
Speaker 1: football holding is holding, Um, you could get by, but
Speaker 1: managing an NFL game, TV, all the external things right,
Speaker 1: all of that, all of that process can be overwhelming.
Speaker 1: When you talk about somebody whose experiences maybe Division two,
Speaker 1: maybe Division three, where some games are televised, some aren't,
Speaker 1: maybe even high school where majority of games are not televised,
Speaker 1: that whole the outside stuff became so overwhelming. So we
Speaker 1: knew eventually, UM, the ship was going to hit the fan.
Speaker 1: And it hit the fan that game that Monday night. Um,
Speaker 1: it was a stressful time we were. We remember going
Speaker 1: to games and I was in the replay booth where
Speaker 1: they had set to the on field officials, and I
Speaker 1: was basically helping them through the process of NFL rules,
Speaker 1: helping them enforce penalties. And I've never felt more, um
Speaker 1: exhausted at the end of the game, and through no
Speaker 1: fault of these officials. These officials were put in a
Speaker 1: position to foul. You can't take. That's like taking I
Speaker 1: know Joe thinks that if he had five inches he
Speaker 1: could be an NFL title, But that's like taking Joe
Speaker 1: or myself or you and throwing us out there in
Speaker 1: the middle of an NFL game and saying, Okay, you're
Speaker 1: the life tackle block you know, block that defensive ent
Speaker 1: like we would fail. And that's what they were putting.
Speaker 1: They were put in that position, and and obviously the
Speaker 1: fail Mary. Look, there were a couple of prob was
Speaker 1: with that play. It was offensive, fast affairance. Golden Date
Speaker 1: clearly pushed Sam Shields um in the back to even
Speaker 1: have a chance to make that catch. Then they went
Speaker 1: up and it's some people say, what, Look, it was
Speaker 1: a simultaneous catch, it's an interception. Um, it should have
Speaker 1: been ruled an interception on the field. UM. It would
Speaker 1: have been tough to overturn and replay just because it
Speaker 1: was tough to see the football. I think had the
Speaker 1: replay official had the wherewithal the think big picture, big
Speaker 1: picture change it making an interception, um, you know, And
Speaker 1: and Green Bay wins the game and we don't have
Speaker 1: all this controversy. But literally, we were talking before that week,
Speaker 1: before that game that once a deal got done, it
Speaker 1: was going to take two weeks minimum to get the
Speaker 1: regular officials back. That play happened Monday night into Tuesday morning.
Speaker 1: They were back Thursday night. That's how impactful that play was.
Speaker 1: So it's definitely one of the top, you know, missed calls,
Speaker 1: certainly controversial calls in his three UM so here's my list.
Speaker 1: And then I did this in chronological order and so
Speaker 1: the immaculate reception. All right, So this was Raiders Steelers,
Speaker 1: This was the NFC divisional game in ninety two. Was
Speaker 1: the last play of the game. And everybody's seen the
Speaker 1: video of the pictures. Um you know, Bradshaw scrambles, throws
Speaker 1: the ball, it deflects off either Jack Tatum or Frenchie Fuqua.
Speaker 1: Franco Harris catches it out of the air and runs
Speaker 1: it in for a game when he touchdown as time expires. So,
Speaker 1: but a lot of people don't remember that. There was
Speaker 1: a controversy about that play because at that time the
Speaker 1: rules said you couldn't if a passed touched an offensive player,
Speaker 1: it couldn't then touch a second offensive player if if
Speaker 1: it tipped, if a receiver tipped to pass, another receiver
Speaker 1: couldn't catch it. So if that ball is touched by
Speaker 1: Frenchie Fuqua, then Harris catching it is a foul. And
Speaker 1: to this day we still don't know who touched it first.
Speaker 1: It looked was like it hit off Tatum, the Raiders
Speaker 1: the Raiders player. But there was a long, long, long
Speaker 1: conversation after that play, fifteen minutes or so, the crew
Speaker 1: talking about Art mcnallely who was the head of officials
Speaker 1: at the time. He was in the press box and ultimately, UM.
Speaker 1: There was no replay at that time, but there was
Speaker 1: a long discussion and ultimately they went with touchdown. But
Speaker 1: that that was definitely a significant, a significant controversial play.
Speaker 1: And then the rule changed in eight So it wasn't
Speaker 1: just because of that play, but in ninety eight the
Speaker 1: double touch rule went away, and now it's the rule
Speaker 1: that we all know, so that it can be touched
Speaker 1: by a receiver and UH, and the second player could
Speaker 1: could catch it. UM. The next one was the Holy
Speaker 1: Roller the Chargers Raiders. This was early in the season
Speaker 1: and it was the last player the game, Ken Stable
Speaker 1: or either fumbled or threw it. UM. The ball was
Speaker 1: muffed forward, UM, Dave Christensen falls on it in the
Speaker 1: end zone and the Raiders win. And this did lead
Speaker 1: to a rule change. UM. Where this was before the
Speaker 1: two minute fumble rules, when now we say that inside
Speaker 1: two minutes, if if a player fumbles, then only he
Speaker 1: can advance it. So had that rule been in place,
Speaker 1: it would have it wouldn't have counted. And so that
Speaker 1: rule did change in nineteen seventy nine. So that was
Speaker 1: whenever whenever play leads to a rule change. It's certainly
Speaker 1: controversal loves that fourth quarter fumble rules. Yeah, the fourth
Speaker 1: down fumble two minute. So yeah, the fourth down fumble
Speaker 1: rule was in place, but it only applied in nine,
Speaker 1: only applied inside the defensive team's tenure um, and so
Speaker 1: that that did expand the rule. I don't know, go
Speaker 1: back if you get a chance to go back and
Speaker 1: look at this video, because I think from a judgment perspective,
Speaker 1: this might have been the worst blown call in a
Speaker 1: big situation. This was the seventy nine a f C
Speaker 1: title game and Oiler's fans who will remember it. Steelers
Speaker 1: fans will remember it. Finally, but Mike Renfrow, Oilers are
Speaker 1: down seventeen ten third quarter, their drive in Renfro catches
Speaker 1: the past clearly in bounds in the end zone at
Speaker 1: the end line, and it's ruled incomplete no replay. They
Speaker 1: don't score, they end up losing. This is this, from
Speaker 1: a judgment perspective, is probably one of the worst blown
Speaker 1: calls um in a big situation. So YouTube Mike Renfro
Speaker 1: no catch and uh, and you'll see what I mean.
Speaker 1: Was not a good year for for officiating and officiating controversies. Um,
Speaker 1: I was glad to League office at the time. We
Speaker 1: had Thanksgiving Day, Right, we all remember Steelers Lions, Phil Luckett,
Speaker 1: Jerome Bettis, did he call tails? Did he call heads?
Speaker 1: This was a this was crazy when it happened. Um,
Speaker 1: I remember watching it and I was like, and what
Speaker 1: just happened? Bettis says he called tails. Luckett said he
Speaker 1: luck It And I know Phil Luckett, Phil luck It
Speaker 1: is one of the nicest people on the planet. Phil Luckett.
Speaker 1: Um has adopted two young girls from Russia, from impoverished
Speaker 1: towns in Russia. And Phil Lucky and his wife Phil
Speaker 1: like it isssault of the earth human being was ripped
Speaker 1: to shreds because of because of situations that he was
Speaker 1: involved in and Phil Lucky and look, I believe I'm
Speaker 1: there talked to Jerome Bettis about it. But I believe
Speaker 1: Phil Lucky when he tells me he heard he heard
Speaker 1: betttert change his here, Bettter change his his his decision.
Speaker 1: He said head tails. And there has been enhanced audio
Speaker 1: that would that would kind of lend itself to that
Speaker 1: to that idea. But the bottom line is people heard
Speaker 1: tales luck It said heads. It went tails, and uh,
Speaker 1: and the lines end up getting the ball and winning
Speaker 1: the game. So so that was definitely controversial. UM. Later
Speaker 1: that year, Phil luck At refereeing, not his call, but Seahawks, Jets,
Speaker 1: Benny Test have already touchdown. That wasn't fourth down, Jets,
Speaker 1: so down thirty Um tested, Bernie sneak up the middle.
Speaker 1: Officials rule touchdown, He's clearly short. No replay, Jets win
Speaker 1: the game. Seahawks end up going eight and they missed
Speaker 1: the playoffs, and Dennis Erickson and the entire staff is fired.
Speaker 1: That play was probably the last straw when it came
Speaker 1: to replay, and replay was re implemented back in the
Speaker 1: following year, and I think not just that play only
Speaker 1: because of that play, but it was definitely the last,
Speaker 1: the last straw, and that was and looked the kind
Speaker 1: of a footnote. The headlines been on that play was
Speaker 1: that Ernie France, Ernie France, um is a good friend
Speaker 1: of mine. Ernie France, no one, no one feels worse
Speaker 1: when an official makes an incorrect call like that that
Speaker 1: costs the team a game. Ernie France went into deep
Speaker 1: depression after that play. He he he stopped talking to people.
Speaker 1: He went into isolation. He was and this is a
Speaker 1: guy that was one of the better officials worked Super Bowls,
Speaker 1: went out to have a great career worked replay UM
Speaker 1: work super Bowls as a replay official. He went into
Speaker 1: depression after that play, and he took it upon himself.
Speaker 1: And that's the sometimes we forget about the the human
Speaker 1: element of his and no one feels worse UM And
Speaker 1: it was the officiating community and the family that had
Speaker 1: to bring him out of it. Um to get him
Speaker 1: back because he felt he just he felt awful and
Speaker 1: it was and it was a big, big deal. This
Speaker 1: wasn't me feeling bad and then you know, shaking it off.
Speaker 1: It was he went into a deep, deep depression and
Speaker 1: it took a while for him to get out of that.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's just one of those deals where
Speaker 1: it's just it's just so tough and uh. And thankfully
Speaker 1: replay came back in nine and and you know, we
Speaker 1: didn't have situations like that later that year. Right Packers
Speaker 1: is wild card game people don't remember. Everybody remembers the
Speaker 1: Steve Young passed the Terrell Owens to win the game
Speaker 1: right between three defenders, one of the great iconic plays
Speaker 1: in the history of the NFL. Well, four plays earlier,
Speaker 1: Jerry Rice fumbled, the Packers were covered, and the officials
Speaker 1: ruled Rice down. No replay, game continues, Niners win. If
Speaker 1: there was replay, that would have been reversed to a
Speaker 1: fumble and uh, and the Packers would have won. So
Speaker 1: so history changed there. Obviously, replay came back the next year,
Speaker 1: um the wild card game, Right Titans Bills. The Music
Speaker 1: City Miracles still debated to this day. Frank Whitchick throwing
Speaker 1: the past back to Kevin Dyson. Look for it and
Speaker 1: and it does. I agree it looks forward, but if
Speaker 1: you go by the rule and it's the point of
Speaker 1: where the ball is released to where it's first touched,
Speaker 1: you cannot say that it is clearly forward. And it
Speaker 1: was ruled backward. And think about the rule back then
Speaker 1: and the illegal forward pass. If the officials would have
Speaker 1: ruled the play illegally forward, then the play would have
Speaker 1: been dead as soon as Dyson caught the ball, and
Speaker 1: so replay would not have been able to do anything
Speaker 1: about that. So kudos to that crew for letting it go.
Speaker 1: Replay looked at it, and that was my replay official.
Speaker 1: My first year I was a video operator. I worked
Speaker 1: for the replay official, Bob Wilson. We worked all the
Speaker 1: year together and um, you know, I was basically the
Speaker 1: assistant to the replay official. We didn't work together in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. That was his game. I was destined because
Speaker 1: I was really good. I was destined for bigger things.
Speaker 1: I worked the Super Bowl that year, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so I'm sitting at home. I'm sitting at
Speaker 1: home watching that play, praying for my partner to get
Speaker 1: it right. And I was like, oh my god, I've
Speaker 1: been with him all year and now they have this
Speaker 1: play and I can't be there with him and up.
Speaker 1: But that was definitely People still debate that call. Um
Speaker 1: you know this, Uh you know in two thousand twenty
Speaker 1: UM NFC championsh game, the bird of manual play right
Speaker 1: changed the rule. Uh that that was forty seven seconds left.
Speaker 1: Bucks are down eleven six, and in the Champions game
Speaker 1: against the Rams um they completed past the bird of
Speaker 1: manual would have been a first day one would have
Speaker 1: put them in Rams territory. They're driving, replay stops, the
Speaker 1: game reverses, it's incomplete by rule. It was the correct
Speaker 1: ruling because at that time, if any part of the
Speaker 1: ball touched the ground, it was the incomplete passed. It
Speaker 1: was a very technical application of the rule, but it
Speaker 1: was the correct application. The rule changed after that to
Speaker 1: say that if the player ball touched the ground and
Speaker 1: the player had control of it, it was still a catch.
Speaker 1: And so you know, and I've done you know, at
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, I've done presentations with Bird and Manuel.
Speaker 1: He's just a great guy. And obviously that is, you know,
Speaker 1: a very significant when you talk about that rule change,
Speaker 1: it's one of the biggest rule changes in the history
Speaker 1: of the NFL. Um the tough rule. Right, what can
Speaker 1: we say about the tock everybody remembers the tuck rule.
Speaker 1: Does the do you think the New England Dynasty happens
Speaker 1: without the tuck rule? Who knows? Who knows? But that
Speaker 1: game was over, right, Woodson Hits Brady comes off the edge,
Speaker 1: Hits Brady rule, the fumble, Raiders recover in the snow
Speaker 1: fairy tale ending for the Raiders, They're gonna move on.
Speaker 1: Replay comes in walk Omen and they reverse it to
Speaker 1: a pass, which it was by rule, and uh what happens?
Speaker 1: Patriots go on tie the game. Minitary makes two of
Speaker 1: the iconic fields, and in the NFL history ties the
Speaker 1: game and then wins it in overtime in the snow
Speaker 1: and uh and the and the dynasty is born. That
Speaker 1: year they beat the Rams in the Super Bowl. So
Speaker 1: um Amy Trask still to this day, who was the
Speaker 1: president of the Raiders at the time, When still it's
Speaker 1: like it happened yesterday. It's like it happened yesterday, two
Speaker 1: thousand thirteen. I came in my first year, my first
Speaker 1: order of business. But one of the rule changes we
Speaker 1: put in was changing the tough rule uh to uh
Speaker 1: to make that a fumble. So Radar fans, you you know,
Speaker 1: if I were in charge of officiating, that would have
Speaker 1: never happened. So there you go. This next one two,
Speaker 1: this one to me might be at least in my
Speaker 1: memory recent memory, the worst phone call um in terms
Speaker 1: of the in terms of the the magnitude of the play.
Speaker 1: And this was not so much judgment. It was the
Speaker 1: misapplication of a rule. And you can live with judgment,
Speaker 1: You can live with a bang bang play and an
Speaker 1: official missing it. But when you miss apply a rule,
Speaker 1: that in the officiating world, that is a big, big issue.
Speaker 1: And this was at the end of the game. This
Speaker 1: was Giants forty Niners, and I don't know if you
Speaker 1: remember this game. This was one of the most wild
Speaker 1: games in NFL history. The Giants led thirty fourteen with
Speaker 1: about three minutes to go on the third quarter. The
Speaker 1: Niners came all the way back and took the lead
Speaker 1: with about a minute ago with the two long one's
Speaker 1: touchdown went up thirty eight. There was a brawl after
Speaker 1: after the two point try, with terrello Ones tackling a
Speaker 1: Giants defender out of bounds. And there's a fight in
Speaker 1: the middle of a playoff game, a run point game
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. Go back and watch the highlights
Speaker 1: of this game. It's insane. Giants get the ball back,
Speaker 1: good return, They get in position for a field goal attempt.
Speaker 1: They have a new holder, Trey Junkin, who they brought
Speaker 1: out a retirement because they're their holder and their backup holder.
Speaker 1: I'm not holder, I'm sorry snapper. They're long snapper, Trey Junkin.
Speaker 1: Their long snapper was injured, their backup was injured. They
Speaker 1: bring Trey Junkin out of retirement, and you'd already and
Speaker 1: you already had a bad snap earlier in the game.
Speaker 1: Bad snap the holder rolls out throws a pass down field.
Speaker 1: Rich Cybert, who was downfield for the Giants, gets tackled.
Speaker 1: No flag for passing if arrants they flagged the Giants
Speaker 1: for an eligible downfield miss that the Rich Cybert was
Speaker 1: Actually he's an offensive lineman, so he's wearing an offensive
Speaker 1: lineman number. But he was on the end of the line.
Speaker 1: He was in a tight end position, so he's eligible.
Speaker 1: Report eligible, doesn't You don't have to have your your
Speaker 1: report is eligible before the game. You report is eligible
Speaker 1: in a field goal or so you do report is eligible.
Speaker 1: He was in an eligible position and they just they
Speaker 1: didn't realize he was eligible. Should have been offsetting penalties.
Speaker 1: Giants should have had another opportunity to keep the field goal.
Speaker 1: Gay Men's Niners win that. And I was at the
Speaker 1: league office during that time. That was not good, especially
Speaker 1: being in New York League office, being New York. Not
Speaker 1: happy um And then the last two does Bryant right?
Speaker 1: Obviously me and Dez and this player will be forever
Speaker 1: lengthd um certainly one of the most controversial calls in
Speaker 1: recent years because of the magnitude of play, and also
Speaker 1: because Cowboy fans just can't get over it and uh,
Speaker 1: and so this was the rule. He went to the ground,
Speaker 1: he lost the ball. It was the correct application of
Speaker 1: the rule, not because I was involved, because that was
Speaker 1: the rule at the time. The rule has since changed.
Speaker 1: But the magnitude to play four minutes ago, fourth quarter?
Speaker 1: What have given the ball to the Cowboys first and
Speaker 1: goal at the one. If they score, they go ahead.
Speaker 1: And but if your Cowboys fans talk about it, that
Speaker 1: was the Super Bowl and we cost them the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl with that call. But anyway, and then right in
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen the NFC Championship games, I can't think
Speaker 1: of a call that had a bigger impact that was
Speaker 1: more controversial in recent years. Um that you know. I
Speaker 1: don't think from a mechanic standpoint, it was look, it
Speaker 1: was past difference. It was a missed call. I don't
Speaker 1: think when you watch it at full speed, it was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is the worst call in history.
Speaker 1: But it's definitely when you talk about the Saints get
Speaker 1: that call. The Saints are going to the super Bowl, right,
Speaker 1: they're down the ball on the next play the clock out.
Speaker 1: When you think of it in that context, it's probably
Speaker 1: the biggest decision at least recent years not making that call,
Speaker 1: and uh and you know, and obviously it led to
Speaker 1: a rule change. Rule change didn't work. Um when your
Speaker 1: experiment for past and ferranture review and uh, yeah, So
Speaker 1: so that's my list. I'm sure there were all there.
Speaker 1: So hey, just you know, tweeted, tweeted us, let us
Speaker 1: know if there are other calls that you think should
Speaker 1: have made this list. But but that's where I am
Speaker 1: on the list. I watched the rentro while we were
Speaker 1: doing this. Definitely a catch. Oh well, I mean he's
Speaker 1: clearly in best Yeah, he's second foot dragged easily. I mean,
Speaker 1: and and that's that is that's a tough one man.
Speaker 1: Imagine And that's why imagine a world without replay. Imagine
Speaker 1: that happens in the championship game now, Yeah, and and
Speaker 1: they call it incomplete and there's no ability to fix it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the world would end and Twitter would go crazy. It
Speaker 1: would It would be insane. That's why people say replay.
Speaker 1: You need replays. And I just think we need to
Speaker 1: manage it better and make sure we're not make sure
Speaker 1: we're not you know, going too far. Um, there was
Speaker 1: there was another very controversial call that um, I was
Speaker 1: not there but Joe was involved, and we we played pickup.
Speaker 1: We used to play pickup basket and and Joe was Joe,
Speaker 1: you were the recipient or you were the guy that fouled. No,
Speaker 1: I was the one who got fouled you, Okay, the
Speaker 1: way he says it, Joe was. Joe was apparently fouled
Speaker 1: in a pickup game, called his own foul. There was
Speaker 1: video of it, because Joe was video he had was okay,
Speaker 1: pop Paulo was our friend. Paulo was, and there's video
Speaker 1: of it. I watched the video. I didn't foul. I
Speaker 1: definitely did not see it. He got my elbow. And
Speaker 1: I never called fouls. I never, no, no, no, I
Speaker 1: never called fouls. But I called that foul because I
Speaker 1: was getting fouled all game. M m oh. So that
Speaker 1: was a makeup and it was it was. It was
Speaker 1: generally a foul I wouldn't call. But I was just like, look, dude,
Speaker 1: you foul me all game. I gotta take this one
Speaker 1: game point. Joe. This was the first time I ever
Speaker 1: met you. Was like, you gotta see this video. Like
Speaker 1: there's another video video in the cube. There's another video
Speaker 1: that surface this week of I think we'll talk about
Speaker 1: it soon. But another there's another controversial play in the
Speaker 1: frisbee throwing game. All right, let's let's take a break.
Speaker 1: When we come back, we're gonna finally put the last
Speaker 1: dance to bed. Thank god. Next on Good Calls, all right,
Speaker 1: we're back and the much anticipated, much discussed Much to
Speaker 1: Do About Nothing documentary students about the Bulls. What in
Speaker 1: the arrogance to say that we're gonna chronicle this season
Speaker 1: and then when when I think that maybe my popularity
Speaker 1: is waning a little bit, then will release it so
Speaker 1: I can get back my face, I can get back
Speaker 1: in the news. Well, apparently this was supposed to come
Speaker 1: out like during the playoffs, when when Lebron was probably
Speaker 1: leading the Lakers to the finals and possibly winning with
Speaker 1: the third different each be because I need to be
Speaker 1: But so I have not, and I'm on it. I'm
Speaker 1: totally serious. I've not watched a minute of it. But
Speaker 1: it's impossible to stay away from it if you're on
Speaker 1: social media, if you you know, if you if you
Speaker 1: go on sports websites like I do just to catch
Speaker 1: up on stuff, it's impossible. So I've read, I've read stuff,
Speaker 1: I've talked to people so after not watching the last dance,
Speaker 1: here's my recap. Okay, So the bottom line is, look,
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's again, I'll preface this. They're great, the greatest
Speaker 1: player in the history of the game, the greatest winner,
Speaker 1: all that stuff. But he's an asshole. Right. The more
Speaker 1: I read about this thing, he's an asshole, and people
Speaker 1: give him a pass because well, he had to be
Speaker 1: an asshole because he pushed. He pushed his teammates to win.
Speaker 1: If Michael Jordan doesn't win six championships, he's just an asshole.
Speaker 1: But now he's the greatest player. Other guys have won
Speaker 1: Bill Russell one how many championships ten and eleven years?
Speaker 1: He wasn't an Let's not Let's not give him a
Speaker 1: pass for being, you know, anything less than an asshole.
Speaker 1: That's it. When I read about right now, the flu
Speaker 1: game is apparently bad pizza. Now, okay, so he ordered
Speaker 1: he ordered a pizza, they didn't somehow he didn't make
Speaker 1: it to dinner. He got he he threw a piss
Speaker 1: a fist, he threw a hissy fit, ordered a pizza
Speaker 1: late night in Utah, in Salt Lake, and then basically
Speaker 1: spit on the pizza. So that no one else would
Speaker 1: eat it. Right, this is this is the story. Do
Speaker 1: you know what that that was admitted? He spit He
Speaker 1: spit on the pizza to ensure that nobody would touch
Speaker 1: his pizza. Mia Michael Jordan's spit on the pizza said
Speaker 1: nobody else would touch the pizza because they didn't bring
Speaker 1: they didn't they didn't tell him about dinner. He was
Speaker 1: the only one that was going to eat that pizza.
Speaker 1: And apparently he did that. Before he did that, had
Speaker 1: on on a commercial shoot. He spit on like cinnamon
Speaker 1: buns because he didn't want anybody to eat the cinnamon buns.
Speaker 1: You know what else she used to do that? My
Speaker 1: brother Okay, have you guys have talked to my brother, right,
Speaker 1: would spit. If there was one size of pizza it left,
Speaker 1: my brother would grab it and lick it, or he
Speaker 1: would spit on it so that we wouldn't we wouldn't
Speaker 1: eat the pizza. Okay. A couple of things my brother
Speaker 1: used to do when we used to get into fights.
Speaker 1: He would take something of mine. He would take a radio,
Speaker 1: He would take my disc man, yes I had a discman. Okay.
Speaker 1: He would take and he wouldn't throw it. He wouldn't
Speaker 1: throw it to me, throw it at me. He would
Speaker 1: throw it to me. I would have to catch it
Speaker 1: because I don't want it to fall and break. He
Speaker 1: would punch me in the face and run with my
Speaker 1: hands worked my hands were occupied. Okay, that was the
Speaker 1: other thing he used to do. The other thing, the
Speaker 1: other thing he created was this alter ego called the Dragon.
Speaker 1: I told you guys this story. Dragon. The Dragon was undefeated.
Speaker 1: Whenever we were we were a year and a half apart.
Speaker 1: We used to fight all the time. I was older.
Speaker 1: I used to get the better of him, and so
Speaker 1: we'd be fighting, wrestling. We used to put we used
Speaker 1: to have like bare knuckle boxing, but put socks over
Speaker 1: our you know, try to put socks over our hands
Speaker 1: so it wouldn't cut. We would get in trouble because
Speaker 1: we'd have cuts. So I'd be winning. He would freak out,
Speaker 1: lose his mind, start shaking and slalling his arms uncontrollably,
Speaker 1: and I would have to like stop and then and
Speaker 1: then when I would get him back under control, he
Speaker 1: would go what happened? What I blocked out for a second,
Speaker 1: And I was like, what he goes? Oh, it was
Speaker 1: the Dragon. You can't defeat the dragon. So every every
Speaker 1: time he would do that right, he would win for
Speaker 1: a second, and then I would get him back and
Speaker 1: like a you know, head a headlock, and he the
Speaker 1: dragon would go away and be like, oh, he's gone again.
Speaker 1: So the dragon was on defeated. That's my brother. So
Speaker 1: basically my brother is Michael Jordan's without six NBA titles.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's my take, right, that's that's that's my
Speaker 1: take on That's it. And the other thing about the
Speaker 1: last dance, which I love that I read somebody read
Speaker 1: like winners and losers. Somebody wrote an article about winners
Speaker 1: and losers about this this documentary, and one of the
Speaker 1: winners was Isaiah Thomas. Because Jordan's still hates Isaiah, called
Speaker 1: him an asshole during the documentary, still hates Isaiah to
Speaker 1: this day. Why does he hate Isaiah to this day?
Speaker 1: Not because Isaiah was a prick, because Isaiah beat him,
Speaker 1: because they couldn't. Isaiah beat him three out of four
Speaker 1: playoff playoff matchups, and and and this is not I'm curious.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna present this to you. I want you guys
Speaker 1: to agree or disagree however you feel. Michael Jordan's Bulls.
Speaker 1: If Michael Jordan's Bulls were playing in the eighties versus
Speaker 1: the nineties, they don't win six titles and he's not
Speaker 1: considered the player he is today. True or falls Oh,
Speaker 1: they were considered a finesse team more than than than
Speaker 1: a power team. Michael Jordan's Bulls beating the Lakers in
Speaker 1: the eighties, the Pistons in the eighties, and the Celtics
Speaker 1: in the eighties. Yes or no, No, they're not. He
Speaker 1: caught He caught magic and bird at the end of
Speaker 1: his career, right, he didn't the Pistons beat him up.
Speaker 1: You know, he finally finally beat the Pistons at the end,
Speaker 1: But the Pistons were at the end of their run.
Speaker 1: He's not winning six championships against he was playing against.
Speaker 1: He was playing against individual stars on not great teams.
Speaker 1: Patrick Ewing, they beat the Knicks four times. I'm a
Speaker 1: Nick fan, and look, if Michael Jordan's on the Knicks,
Speaker 1: he'd beat my asshole. But guess what he wasn't Patrick
Speaker 1: Ewing that the next best player on Ewing's Knicks was
Speaker 1: probably John Starks. John Starks was bagging groceries in Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: John Starks was the second best player on those Knicks teams.
Speaker 1: When you look at the Lazers teams, they had Glide Jackson,
Speaker 1: they had Jerome Kersey. They didn't have what the Lakers
Speaker 1: and Celtics had, right, Barkley with the Sons naming the
Speaker 1: other player on Barkley's Sons, right, Dan Marley, right, But
Speaker 1: they didn't stocked in him alone. You didn't have these
Speaker 1: these great teams and Jordan's Yes, Jordan didn't have Jordan
Speaker 1: didn't have you know, the Celtics and Lakers of the eighties.
Speaker 1: But he had a top twenty player, Scottie Pippen. He
Speaker 1: had guys that, you know, Horace Grant, Steve Kirt, he
Speaker 1: had guys that were great role players, Tony kuk coach,
Speaker 1: all of those things. So that's it. I'm done. We get,
Speaker 1: we get you don't like Michael Jordans. We're all aware. Anyway,
Speaker 1: what are you guys watching anything good? You know, I
Speaker 1: was watching that Michael Jordan documentary, just finished it today.
Speaker 1: You know he kind of came off as a dick.
Speaker 1: You said the winner, but the loser in that was
Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen. You didn't mention that. He just looked like
Speaker 1: a whiny little bit, so I mean obviously the team
Speaker 1: across Um, you know, I think Steve Kerr. Anyways, I
Speaker 1: watched I watched the other night, I watched The Wrong Missy,
Speaker 1: the David Spade Netflix movie. Is that good? Pretty entertaining? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the female lead was a little over the top at
Speaker 1: times lovable at the same time. Um, I'd watch it.
Speaker 1: I'd watch it again. You guys should check it out.
Speaker 1: I'd recommend it. What makes her what makes her lovable? Travis,
Speaker 1: She's just genuine. She just comes off and she just
Speaker 1: is is who she is, and people love her for it. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's good. Another hot take, Another hot take. Last Last
Speaker 1: Kingdom on Netflix is better than Game of Thrones. Just
Speaker 1: throwing it out there. Never watched Game of Thrones. I
Speaker 1: mean I've read the books. I'm a big Game of
Speaker 1: Thrones fan. Last couple of seasons we're not as great.
Speaker 1: Last Kingdom is better than Game of Thrones. Watched. Last
Speaker 1: isn't better than Breaking Bad because Breaking Bad it's just
Speaker 1: a different You can't really get to apples and oranges,
Speaker 1: So you like apples, then it's you know, or you
Speaker 1: like oranges. It's not it's not apples ap um. And
Speaker 1: also I've watched this other one in Netflix Trial by
Speaker 1: Media really good. So trial media talks about these um,
Speaker 1: these big time UM trials. Typically most of it's like
Speaker 1: in the eighties. UM, I don't know if you remember
Speaker 1: the Jenny Jones murder case when when the guy, the
Speaker 1: guy went on Jenny Jones two, uh, confess his crush
Speaker 1: on his friend, um, and he did it on his
Speaker 1: show and it was and his friend was a guy,
Speaker 1: and so the guy went on the show, his friend
Speaker 1: confessed that he had a crush on him. The guy
Speaker 1: felt embarrassed because, you know, a gay man was confessing
Speaker 1: this crush. Obviously at that time, UM, you know a
Speaker 1: little bit. You know, people were clearly not as progressive
Speaker 1: as they are today. Was Harris end up shooting the guy?
Speaker 1: And um? That So one episode was about that, Another
Speaker 1: episode about um the Bernie Bernard Gets if you remember
Speaker 1: the Bernard Guets story about shooting the four um young
Speaker 1: black teenagers on the New York City subway. Um. And
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get into the next one, which I think,
Speaker 1: uh is the I forget his name. I think his
Speaker 1: name is Ama Amadullo. He was an unarmed man that
Speaker 1: was shot forty one times broy New York City police
Speaker 1: officers in the Bronx. And and it's so all about
Speaker 1: these cases and how the media impact the actual case.
Speaker 1: So definitely check it out. Really well done. Okay, what's
Speaker 1: that one called again? Tried by media? Um? And then
Speaker 1: Joe you you mentioned this? What about So we've got
Speaker 1: a three day weekend coming up? Now, you know, I
Speaker 1: know the weekend looks a little bit different because of
Speaker 1: of quarantine and all that, but but what are what
Speaker 1: are three day weekend rules? What are you know? Are
Speaker 1: there rules to a three day weekend? Can you start
Speaker 1: a three day weekend on Thursday? Absolutely? I think you
Speaker 1: should always extend the three day to a four day
Speaker 1: my opinion. But then it's no longer. Then it's no
Speaker 1: longer three day weekend. You're yeah, can it be called
Speaker 1: a four day weekend? I think? And can you call
Speaker 1: a weekend to me? Like, Okay, So I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna propose a rule. You can't refer to
Speaker 1: a number of days as a weekend if it's the
Speaker 1: majority of the week. Does that makes sense? Seven days
Speaker 1: in the week. You can't have a four day weekend
Speaker 1: because then it's the majority of the week. So a
Speaker 1: weekend can only be two or three days, so we
Speaker 1: have to call it a vacation. That then it becomes
Speaker 1: a vacation. When does the three When does a three
Speaker 1: day weekend become a vacation for when you had a
Speaker 1: fourth day? Like it? You know, I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: a huge fan of it, but it actually makes sense,
Speaker 1: so I'll go with it. Okay, Um, so three day weekend?
Speaker 1: Do you have to Can you have a three d
Speaker 1: weekend at home? Mmm? Not? These days we've been here
Speaker 1: for you take off? Can you take off from work
Speaker 1: and say you're gonna have a three day weekend and
Speaker 1: not go somewhere? I think they call it a stay cation?
Speaker 1: What I think they call that a staycation? So so
Speaker 1: that's a stay cation. No, I think you still call
Speaker 1: it a weekend because anytime you're not working and you're off,
Speaker 1: that's considered. You know, you're off days. So we've been
Speaker 1: on like day weekend, but we're still working from home.
Speaker 1: So like your days are full of zoom calls, all
Speaker 1: kinds of conference calls and things, my days are full. Okay,
Speaker 1: So let's let's let's talk about then knowing what we
Speaker 1: know now right now that you can do all these
Speaker 1: things remotely, you can do all you know And because
Speaker 1: I'm remember, I remember a time when you know, the
Speaker 1: weekend was the weekend, there was an email, There wasn't
Speaker 1: cell phones. You left work on Friday and if you
Speaker 1: got a phone call, it was an emergency. Right that
Speaker 1: went away with emails and you know, cell phones and
Speaker 1: all that. Now has it changed? Have we have we
Speaker 1: just up the annie with all these zoom calls and
Speaker 1: everything else where? Will there ever be a day where
Speaker 1: we're not doing something? You know what, what will an
Speaker 1: employer feel bad about scheduling a zoom call, you know
Speaker 1: after hours or on a Saturday, because now you have
Speaker 1: to come into the office. But we're gonna have a
Speaker 1: half hour session, you know? Is that what we're looking at?
Speaker 1: I thought we were gonna end the show on a
Speaker 1: high note. Now I'm just gonna be Now I'm down.
Speaker 1: Now I'm really down. Dam you really broke it down there.
Speaker 1: I just think this is gonna be You know, I
Speaker 1: was talking to a couple of people, a couple of
Speaker 1: Fox executives, and this, you know, this changes. It also
Speaker 1: changes how we look at TV. There was a point
Speaker 1: one of the things that that the production right, it
Speaker 1: was okay, if you're gonna bring somebody in and do uh,
Speaker 1: you know something on air, right, it was the lighting
Speaker 1: had to be amazing, makeup all of those things the
Speaker 1: production value. Now, what are we seeing. We're seeing zoom calls.
Speaker 1: We're seeing people in their living rooms, in their dens,
Speaker 1: in their bedrooms. There's no lighting, there's no and so
Speaker 1: what I think we're learning about the consumer is that
Speaker 1: they don't care what it necessarily looks like as long
Speaker 1: as the content is there, right, it's entertaining. They're learning
Speaker 1: something which is really interesting, which I think is going
Speaker 1: to change. Um, you know, give us access to more
Speaker 1: you know, to more guests. You know, you think about
Speaker 1: the shows on Fox FS one, whether it's Colin or
Speaker 1: Speak for Yourself or Undisputed, you know, when they have guests,
Speaker 1: you know, just having a zoom call with no bells
Speaker 1: and whistles. I think before there might might have been
Speaker 1: a hesitancy. Now talking to some people at facts, they're
Speaker 1: just gonna do it. And I think it's gonna give
Speaker 1: us more access to more people. Yeah, a lot of
Speaker 1: my day to day has to deal with putting those
Speaker 1: Hall of famers we have almost every day on on screen,
Speaker 1: and those shots don't always look great, kind of like
Speaker 1: if we're looking at my video right now, you you
Speaker 1: don't always have the best lighting, you don't always have
Speaker 1: the best headroom, and you're not always centered in the shot,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't And in the producers for that show,
Speaker 1: we're like, yeah, let's do it that it looks good
Speaker 1: as long as we can hear them, fine, let's do it.
Speaker 1: The audio has become more important at this point, like
Speaker 1: if the audio, Joe, do you hear that? Well, it's
Speaker 1: not great. You know, we're doing the best we can. Know.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is audio has become more important. You're
Speaker 1: becoming more valuable. I know what. Our audio sounds terrible
Speaker 1: most of the time. Your stock just rose big time. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you, you're welcome. Let's bro, let's go to Brandon Blandino.
Speaker 1: Guy is still using the club? Yes, did you actually
Speaker 1: see what? I saw? A club walking down the street
Speaker 1: in Santa Monica on Wilshire Bowl. I look and I
Speaker 1: was like, what is it? What is that? That's the club?
Speaker 1: Do you remember when the club was like the thing
Speaker 1: that like late eighties, early nineties, everybody had a club.
Speaker 1: It had First of all, the club had had to
Speaker 1: had two uses. It was a lock your steering wheel
Speaker 1: in case somebody broke into your car, and also you
Speaker 1: could beat the ship out of that club. I'm so
Speaker 1: glad you went there, because I didn't want to go there.
Speaker 1: I was like, it was I don't think I don't
Speaker 1: think the makers of the club realized that it was
Speaker 1: a two use item. But it definitely became that bad thing.
Speaker 1: When did why? When and why did the club stop
Speaker 1: being a thing? Well, because did you see how easy
Speaker 1: it is to disable him? What? It became like everyone
Speaker 1: knew how to get rid of them. You just cut
Speaker 1: It was like you take a song and you just
Speaker 1: cut the steering. You know, I probably shouldn't be saying
Speaker 1: this stuff. You know, well I get it, but I
Speaker 1: didn't realize that that was the reason. I just thought
Speaker 1: people just said it's not you know, the the the
Speaker 1: alarm systems are more sophisticated. You have GPS trackers, you
Speaker 1: have all these different things. Well it's probably all that too,
Speaker 1: but everybody knew if you just take like a hacks
Speaker 1: on and cut the steering wheel and it just pops
Speaker 1: right off. Yeah, I mean yeah, but you just so.
Speaker 1: I think the guy walking down the street with the
Speaker 1: hacks On in his pocket might be it might be
Speaker 1: somebody to keep an eye on. But I just remember
Speaker 1: everybody had everyone had a club. That the club must
Speaker 1: have been. I would be interesting to see at the
Speaker 1: height of their the height of their popularity, what what
Speaker 1: you know, what business kind of business they were doing,
Speaker 1: because that was a big, big thing. I mean it
Speaker 1: was like the first time you start, you were like,
Speaker 1: oh my, that's that's genius. Can still my car? Nobody
Speaker 1: now nobody's no, nobody uses it except this one guy
Speaker 1: that lives in And what color was it was a
Speaker 1: traditional rat or you have one of the colors? No
Speaker 1: it was it wasn't red. It might have been just black. Huh.
Speaker 1: And my maybe it was a knockoff. I remember I
Speaker 1: had like a turquoise one. I don't know. Maybe it
Speaker 1: was what's the knockoff called the flub? Who knows, but
Speaker 1: get it. I'm sure there were plenty of knockoffs. I
Speaker 1: don't know. On that note, Travis, this has been good
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