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Speaker 1: So Lauren Sanchez wrote a book, a children's book, and

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize it's her second children's book and that

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Speaker 1: she's a New York Times bestseller and I got it

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Speaker 1: she was an on air journalist, and she's always been

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Speaker 1: a worker. And I love that she wrote a children's

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Speaker 1: book and is like working and on the road promoting it.

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Speaker 2: I hate promoting anything. I hate going on the.

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Speaker 1: Road and doing all those shows, and like she's out

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Speaker 1: there and she certainly doesn't have to. So that's a

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Speaker 1: shout out because she does for whatever reason. She's one

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Speaker 1: of these people that gets hate and she's living her

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Speaker 1: own life and I think people are just honestly triggered

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Speaker 1: and jealous because she married a successful man, and like

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Speaker 1: she gets blamed for them. And it's almost like when

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Speaker 1: Alex Earl was spoted with Tom Brady and they were

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Speaker 1: getting criticized, like who's not going out with Tom Brady?

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Speaker 1: Like who's out flirting with Tom Brady? Yes, I know

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Speaker 1: he's older than her. It's not the first time it's

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Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos. He's not going out with a thirty five

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Speaker 2: I don't know, am I crazy?

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Speaker 1: Like at some point people do have to be able

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Speaker 1: to live their lives and like make good choices and

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Speaker 1: date well. And you want me to date some schlub.

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Speaker 1: Guess what if I dated some phenomenal person or married them,

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Speaker 2: I mean, people just like to hate.

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Speaker 1: And the two of them are we're not only like

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Speaker 1: somehow like underwriting or financially contributing to the Metcala, but

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Speaker 1: people like to sort of rewrite history and act like

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Speaker 1: in the guilded Age or at any point in history

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Speaker 1: that these society things were not about the Benjamins. So

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Speaker 1: Like that's supposed to be important. Then it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: the met Gala has changed so much.

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Speaker 2: Like from what from what?

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Speaker 1: From being a charity that was always about making money

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Speaker 1: for the charity and always about society. And then people

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Speaker 1: got mad when they were letting in reality stars. Why

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Speaker 1: they move commerce and views and clicks and Kim and Kanye,

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Speaker 1: like when they went to the Mechala, Yeah, like eyeballs

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Speaker 1: think this stuff is not eyeballs watching? Same thing with

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Speaker 1: social media. You're just there for the cloud or for

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Speaker 1: the clicks. What are you there for? You're there for

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Speaker 1: the charity. You're on TikTok dancing to a Lizo song

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Speaker 1: for charity. Like, everyone, sit the fuck down if you

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Speaker 2: In a movie. I don't care if you don't believe

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Speaker 1: You're gonna go up there and get your shiny award

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Speaker 1: the clicks. You're there for the eyeballs. You're there for

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Speaker 1: the attention, You're there for the accolades. You're there not

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Speaker 1: somewhere else. If Jeff and Lauren are part of the

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Speaker 1: met Gala because they are successful and influential, it's no

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Speaker 1: different than anyone else. It's no different than any actor, politician,

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Speaker 2: Not want attention, not want.

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Speaker 1: a podium and get votes. It's clicks, it's votes, it's dollars.

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Speaker 1: Sit on your couch, close the shades, and be a hermit,

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Speaker 1: and then I'll believe that it's not for the clout

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Speaker 1: And if you're Sir Anthony Hopkins, if you went up

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Speaker 1: If you're Robert de Niro and you opened NOBU and

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Speaker 1: Jay Leno, you wanted attention. It's just in a different way.

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Speaker 1: Princess Diana, the queen out in John Megan Markle, you

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Speaker 1: Way it goes wealth doesn't whisper.

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Speaker 1: You know what whispers being asleep under your covers and

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Speaker 1: And also back on people criticizing Jeff Bezos, he's doing

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Speaker 1: don't order your shit on Amazon. Okay, you need a

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Speaker 1: York City and going to Eighth Street? You're ordering it

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Speaker 1: on Amazon. Most of you have never been on The Housewives,

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Speaker 1: But do you know how Like on the Housewives, someone

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, the whole pendulum will swinging,

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Speaker 1: the whole show will be mad at you because you

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Speaker 1: in real life, it's not like that. Like with your friends,

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Speaker 1: But on the Housewives, it's a different land. It's the

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Speaker 1: upside down. That's what teenagers are like. Teenagers could say

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Speaker 1: The next time you see your teenager, you are like

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Speaker 1: And I heard it's not just teens, it's older too.

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Speaker 1: So Lisa Rinna wrote a book book and I haven't

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is I know that Tori wanted

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Speaker 1: and excellent housewife. So Lisa Rinna wrote a book and

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Speaker 1: she's asked about her relationship with Denise. She's discussing Yolanda.

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Speaker 1: She's definitely Maya Kulpa. She's literally illustrating the problem with

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Speaker 1: and the currency is drama. The currency is kill or

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Speaker 1: be killed, zero sum games. Someone's always winning, someone's always losing.

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Speaker 1: There have been so many arrests and scandals and terrible

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Speaker 1: that sphere, and she correctly describes that you really shouldn't

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Speaker 1: friendship will remain intact. Now, maybe they were just Hollywood friends,

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Speaker 2: They both needed either the money.

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Speaker 2: But there is a price.

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Speaker 1: Many things have a price, And on Jersey Housewives, you've

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Speaker 2: You've seen friendships dissolve.

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Speaker 1: and I just I don't want to disrupt my piece.

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Speaker 1: My piece is too valuable. I have a much more

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Speaker 2: So there would have to be some sort of a real,

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Speaker 1: And I believe that in most cases, TV as we

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Speaker 2: She's been pretty vulnerable.

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Speaker 1: I reckon that, Like she's had to be on TV

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Speaker 1: People who are going bankrupt are showing how rich they are.

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Speaker 1: People who have nothing are showing their labels. Erica was

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Speaker 1: But okay, you know, I think they took a beat down.

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Speaker 1: I think Erica took a beat down.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think I just appreciate her being vulnerable on the

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Speaker 1: like she's paid her bills and her dues and listen,

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Speaker 1: it could drive someone crazy. Sonya had a twelve million

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Speaker 2: Life will beat you down. But it was interesting.

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Speaker 1: Whoever the life coach that was talking to Erica and

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Speaker 1: like I can't imagine the thoughts she's had, the fears

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Speaker 1: I'm glad that she's healthy and at least healthy enough

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Speaker 1: see Carol on Real Housewives of New York. People have

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Speaker 1: been asking me about this. I think, listen, at a

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Speaker 1: hell hath frozen over and many many housewives after Andy

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Speaker 1: making up with them to get them back on TV

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Speaker 1: Bravo narrative. And you know, everyone has to eat crow

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Speaker 1: liked that they haven't liked him, and it's you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not show fre it's show business. So I guess

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Speaker 1: show business means having to go back and show friends.

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Speaker 1: So for her, I imagine it's a job decision. It's

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Speaker 1: I genuinely, genuinely wish are the best, and it's good

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Speaker 1: to not have bad blood and and anger.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I guess time heals all wounds.